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#1980 The Show That God Hijacked - Harps & Tiff · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what everyone before we get underway. I
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  Speaker 1: feel intimidated. I feel undervalued, underappreciated. I feel I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be honest. I know Tip's hilarious and lovable and
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  Speaker 1: charming and charismatic on air and you won't believe this,
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  Speaker 1: but off air, fucking straight up bully, straight up bully,
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  Speaker 1: yells at me, bosses me around, and you can imagine
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  Speaker 1: how fragile I am. I mean, have I mentioned how
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  Speaker 1: old I am? My back a lot of stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: does she give a fuck? Oh no, no, but now right,
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  Speaker 1: she'll talk. Now, she'd be all love and light and
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  Speaker 1: unicorns and fucking Disneyland, right to just woo you in.
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  Speaker 1: But once that fucking microphone goes off, she's fucking Genghis calm,
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  Speaker 1: fucking annihilates me. Hello Genghis, he I just spewed in
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  Speaker 1: my mouth. Fuck. Um, you know you bossy? Right? You
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  Speaker 1: do know that?
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  Speaker 2: You do?
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  Speaker 1: You? You know how bossy you are. I did point
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  Speaker 1: out to her that I'm the actual boss, but she's like,
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  Speaker 1: you're not. Be hang on, you're not, which sadly is true.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I achieved that, but somehow I
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  Speaker 1: work for her, which is I need a psychologist.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, hang on, very good at being bossed around, am.
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  Speaker 1: I You're fucking terrible. I don't want to boss you around.
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  Speaker 1: Just sometimes you go to be hey, just wait on,
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  Speaker 1: wait a fucking minute. It's not a yeah. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: we're not married. You can't talk to me like that.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of that, you're honor I'm your boss
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, nah, you're not. I'm like, all right, then,
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  Speaker 1: all right, it's someday everyone. It's twenty five to six
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  Speaker 1: in the PM. It's been an interesting day, milbs. It's
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  Speaker 1: been cold, it's been warm, it's been fucking still, it's
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  Speaker 1: been gaye force winds, it's been all of it. Wherever
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  Speaker 1: you are in the world, we have Last time I look,
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  Speaker 1: we had listeners in nearly ninety countries, some of those.
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  Speaker 1: When I do look at the stats, it's like four
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  Speaker 1: people in Zambia, so to you guys shout out. So
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of people from there listening, but the
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  Speaker 1: four of you fucking thinks if you could spread the
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  Speaker 1: word a bit. I mean, you know, look, I know
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  Speaker 1: you've got other stuff on. You probably got kids, you've
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  Speaker 1: probably got a job, but maybe as your third priority,
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  Speaker 1: spreading the typ gospel and if you could, because we're
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  Speaker 1: not really crushing it in Zambia, but so if you
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  Speaker 1: could help out, that would be much appreciated. Over and out,
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  Speaker 1: Love Harps.
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  Speaker 2: Does everyone realize why I have to.
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  Speaker 1: Be so bossy? I am a child, I'm Mary's child. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Mom was telling me. I was just on the phone, Mum,
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  Speaker 1: God bless whenever anyone that I know is not well,
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  Speaker 1: Like even if Mom doesn't numb, she got she's straight up.
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  Speaker 1: I'll pray for them. But that's Mary's. I'll pray for them.
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  Speaker 1: And what's their name again, I go tell them their name?
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'll pray for them. I might light a
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  Speaker 1: candle for them, depends on if I'm at church or not,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll send up a couple of hail Mary's and
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  Speaker 1: then our father. I'm like, Mum, that will be good.
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  Speaker 1: You're pretty much God's right hand woman. So I will
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  Speaker 1: tell them. And do you know when I tell people
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  Speaker 1: that my mama's praying for them, and I'm not even joking, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not there's not a gag coming. Yeah, they some
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  Speaker 1: people get a bit teary. I'm like, no, she really
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  Speaker 1: is actually praying for you, and they're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: that is so and I go and she's got enough
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  Speaker 1: of her own, So I don't know why the fuck
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  Speaker 1: she's praying for you, but anyway she is. She's such
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  Speaker 1: a good human, my mom. So I'll put them on
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  Speaker 1: my list. What's their name? She's got a list, got
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  Speaker 1: a list, God bless her. I'm like, mamam on that list.
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  Speaker 1: She's so cool. She didn't say fuck, She's like, you're
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  Speaker 1: the constant you're never offered, but not in an encouraging way.
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  Speaker 1: You know you need all the help you can fucking
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  Speaker 1: get way, you know, So you know, if you ever
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  Speaker 1: do you ever need some Mary prayers, anyone, hit me
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  Speaker 1: up typ podcast face facey page. I'll get married to
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  Speaker 1: whack you on the can't hurt, can't hurt, That's what
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  Speaker 1: I think. Can't hurt? You know what else I think?
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  Speaker 1: And I know this is not what we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: But like my mum's faith, now, I don't know, is
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  Speaker 1: there a god. I grew up believing there's a god.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know. That's why we call it faith, not
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  Speaker 1: knowledge or evidence or data, you know, but my mom
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  Speaker 1: my mom's pretty sure, right. But what I love is
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  Speaker 1: that my mom's faith and her belief and her prayer
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  Speaker 1: and her going to church. Now, whether or not it's
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent legit, and it's all everything that she
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  Speaker 1: was taught and told and trying to believe is true.
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  Speaker 1: Or perhaps some of it or none of it, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't even matter to me because it makes her better.
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  Speaker 1: It makes her calm or calmer, she can worry, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's very very much a positive in her life.
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  Speaker 1: So whether or not I agree or don't agree, or
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  Speaker 1: we align on things or don't align on things, to
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  Speaker 1: me matters zero. I just look back and I go,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So my mom does this thing, she has
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  Speaker 1: this way of being and living and believing, and she
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  Speaker 1: has all these little rituals and rules and habits. What's
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  Speaker 1: the net result. Well, the net result, Harps is she's
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  Speaker 1: way better than if she didn't have that, because it
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  Speaker 1: gives her a sense of calm and peace and takes
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  Speaker 1: away anxiety. Like I don't think because she nearly died
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  Speaker 1: a few times with cancer and a heart attack. Three
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  Speaker 1: times cancer, one time heart attack. She doesn't. You know
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  Speaker 1: what she said to me the other day, She said,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about her license. She just got her license
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  Speaker 1: renewed for two years, right, and she goes, well, that'll
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  Speaker 1: do me. I'll be done by then, like I'll be dead,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, but she doesn't go. Oh, She's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I won't be here in two years, which she probably will.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, she's like, two years is good, Like
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  Speaker 1: that will see me out. She goes, And it's funny
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  Speaker 1: because she has no apparent fear of dying. Dad, on
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, he's probably I don't think he's terrified,
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  Speaker 1: but I think he's more regular, you know, more normal.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't like talking about it at all. But Mum's
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  Speaker 1: constantly saying to me something like not bringing it up
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  Speaker 1: for the sake, but just in conversation. She'll go, So
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  Speaker 1: when I go to God, make sure you do this,
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  Speaker 1: make sure you remember that, right, because I'm the only one.
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  Speaker 1: There's no kids, there's no grandkids, there's no siblings, there's
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  Speaker 1: just Fatty Harps tells me so much shit to remember.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, can you write a list before you go
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  Speaker 1: to God, because there's a lot of shit that I
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  Speaker 1: need to do. She goes, I have a list, yes, So.
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  Speaker 2: But of course she's not scared because God saved her receipt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, front, well, you think about what I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: my mum believes is that Heaven's better than here, and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't like she truly believes that, so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: apart from the normal mortal human fear of dying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's pretty comfy with it. So good for her. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Enough about Mary, Well.
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  Speaker 2: One more question. When it went from hardcore preaching in
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  Speaker 2: the street to I'm not sure about this God business
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  Speaker 2: that I've been talking about my whole life, did you
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  Speaker 2: share that with Mary? And what did you think?
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  Speaker 1: Short? Didn't? Short didn't? Uh no, no, no, look I didn't. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's in't preaching in the street, but I was. I
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  Speaker 1: was for those three of you don't know. So I
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  Speaker 1: did spend quite a few years in an evangelical Pentecostal
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  Speaker 1: Praise the Lord church, and yeah, part of that involved,
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  Speaker 1: like me being involved in different ministries and preaching literally
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  Speaker 1: you know, from the altar, reading teaching from the Bible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all of the you know, I'm not talking about the
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  Speaker 1: casual weekend Christian. The I wear a tracksuit. Therefore, I'm
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  Speaker 1: an athlete kind of Christian. You know, look at me.
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  Speaker 1: I own attracts it I'm an athlete. No, you just
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  Speaker 1: don't attract it. You know, there's people who call themselves things,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's people who do all the work that's
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  Speaker 1: required to actually be that. And I was like, I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fully immersed in my belief, in my faith.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not like I went, I don't believe in God.
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  Speaker 1: And if you ask me, now, do I believe in
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  Speaker 1: God or do I believe in let's just go with
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  Speaker 1: do I believe in God? My answer is yes. Can
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  Speaker 1: I prove that there's a God? No? Am I trying
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  Speaker 1: to convince anyone that there's a God? No Am I
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  Speaker 1: trying to manipulate coerce preach evangelized to any particular person.
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Could I be wrong? Yes? And this is the whole
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we are, it's very hard to have
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  Speaker 1: a hard wired belief and also be open minded because
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  Speaker 1: when you go, oh, this is the one true Church,
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  Speaker 1: the one true God, the one true doctrine, the one
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  Speaker 1: true theology, you're also saying that everything that doesn't align
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  Speaker 1: with what I believe is wrong. Now that to me
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  Speaker 1: makes no sense. I do I believe that I could
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  Speaker 1: be right about some things and wrong about lots of things. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I believe that could everything I've ever thought and been
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  Speaker 1: taught about, you know, all things God, could all of
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  Speaker 1: it be wrong? Yes? Am I comfortable with that kind
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  Speaker 1: of you know, it's like I it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. Well, it's not difficult, but it's very hard
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  Speaker 1: to be, you know, have a very very strong belief
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  Speaker 1: about something you literally cannot prove, and also say, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I'm super open minded and objective. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: can't be both. You can't have a hard line belief
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  Speaker 1: about something for which you have no evidence, right, And
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  Speaker 1: people go, ah, you know the trees, that's evidence of God. Well,
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  Speaker 1: other people would go that's evidence of nature or evolution
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  Speaker 1: or you know. And and to me, though I believe,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I don't believe in
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  Speaker 1: church as much as I believe in God. It's not
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  Speaker 1: say church is bad, but I think, like all groups,
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  Speaker 1: or all organizations or all businesses, anything, where there's a
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  Speaker 1: group of people, there can be amazing, beautiful, genuine people
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  Speaker 1: who really operate in love, and there can be manipulative cunts.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was to say that word in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of I know in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Of this kind of God conversation. But that's what I
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  Speaker 1: truly think now I don't know, I mean. But and again,
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  Speaker 1: this is not this is not an instructional podcast. This
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  Speaker 1: is not a teaching podcast in that sense. This is
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  Speaker 1: like me being the most real, raw version of me
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  Speaker 1: talking about my beliefs that I can be, which most
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  Speaker 1: people would never talk this way publicly if they were
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  Speaker 1: me and if they had those beliefs and that. But
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  Speaker 1: could I be wrong, yes? Could I be right? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Could I be partly right? Yes? You know, so we
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  Speaker 1: don't know, and we tend to believe and defend and
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  Speaker 1: fight for what we think is right, not necessarily what
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  Speaker 1: we know is right right, So there's that. And also,
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, one of the things that you
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  Speaker 1: talk about on your show, I talk about on this
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about multiple times is how attractive it is
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  Speaker 1: to be or how perhaps are what's the word valuable, noble, humble?
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  Speaker 1: It is to be truly okay with being wrong, like
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  Speaker 1: truly And if I'm being honest, well, I've probably been
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  Speaker 1: wrong about as many things as I've been right, maybe
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  Speaker 1: more so. Why now would I think it's sixty one
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  Speaker 1: having been making mistakes for my whole life and getting
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  Speaker 1: things wrong for my whole life. That I'm absolutely right
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  Speaker 1: about everything. Well, that's ego, that's arrogance, that's shit attitude,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's being defensive. That's not a person who really
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  Speaker 1: wants to learn and grow and evolve. That's someone who
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  Speaker 1: wants to be right. That's someone who's addicted to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: winning in a bad way. So for me, it's like
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  Speaker 1: I have reasons that I've gone into. You know, there
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  Speaker 1: have been many things in my life that have happened
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  Speaker 1: that that indicate to me that there is way more
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  Speaker 1: to life and experience and what can be experienced and
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  Speaker 1: what can be accessed, and what wisdom could be, and
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  Speaker 1: what truth could be, and what knowledge could be beyond
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  Speaker 1: the human brain. I think one of them, this is
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  Speaker 1: someone doing a neuropsych degree PhD. I should say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the problems is that we think we're smarter
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  Speaker 1: than we are. We are all knowing as a species.
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  Speaker 1: I object to that wildly. I think compared to other
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  Speaker 1: mammals and animals, we are in some ways smarter and
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  Speaker 1: more evolved. But that depends on the metric that you're using.
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  Speaker 1: Put me and a line in the jungle. Who the
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  Speaker 1: fuck's winning? Not Fatty Harps? You know? Put like, it
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  Speaker 1: depends on what's the problem we're trying to solve. You know,
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  Speaker 1: how can how well can you adapt and survive in
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  Speaker 1: this situation or that context? Like we've built for ourselves
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  Speaker 1: the most comfortable existence because of our capacity to reason
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  Speaker 1: and think and solve problems, which is, in that way
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  Speaker 1: we are the smarter species, but you think about other things.
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  Speaker 1: In other ways, we are definitely not. And so then
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  Speaker 1: when you zoom out a bit from the brain and
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  Speaker 1: the mind and what we call logic and reason and
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  Speaker 1: common sense, then you realize that perhaps there is a
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  Speaker 1: whole universe of intelligence and wisdom and truth and knowing
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  Speaker 1: to be accessed that doesn't fit within the parameters of
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  Speaker 1: what we call logic or reason or probability or possibility.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that we tell ourselves what we want
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  Speaker 1: to believe because the other shit scares us. And there
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  Speaker 1: are many, many, many things that continue to be brought
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  Speaker 1: to light that are absolute and true that not long
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  Speaker 1: ago we considered absolutely impossible. And so as we know
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  Speaker 1: now that things that we're doing in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: were not possible ten years ago and completely. You know,
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  Speaker 1: some thing's twenty thirty forty years ago, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: two hundred years ago would have been considered witchcraft or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, because in that time, with the knowledge
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  Speaker 1: that those people had, whatever of the thing was like
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  Speaker 1: I've spoken before, like people flying across the sky in
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  Speaker 1: a metal tube. And so you've got a plane which
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  Speaker 1: weighs hundreds of tons and people that weigh however many
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  Speaker 1: ton and then you put that in the sky. Well,
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  Speaker 1: even a fucking feather can't stay in the sky. It
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  Speaker 1: falls to the ground. You know, logically, back then that
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  Speaker 1: makes no sense because they didn't have the understanding of
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  Speaker 1: physics and thrust and power and aerodynamics that we now have.
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  Speaker 1: So it depends on the time in human evolution and
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  Speaker 1: the context and also what we have been taught and
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  Speaker 1: told and trained. So, yeah, that was very deep, and
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  Speaker 1: I did we didn't expect to go there, But keep going.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you've got another ready, let's shelve the
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  Speaker 1: other conversation. We'll do it later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how much do you think we have control over
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  Speaker 2: choosing our beliefs and what comes into that process? At
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  Speaker 2: what point do we get a level of control over
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  Speaker 2: our beliefs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you've asked a lot of questions. That's in the
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  Speaker 1: top three of smartest questions that you've ever asked me. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So this is great, This is a great conversation I have.
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  Speaker 1: So the answer is, we have a lot of control.
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  Speaker 1: But also at the same time, most of us don't
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  Speaker 1: use that control or a lot of capacity to change
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  Speaker 1: our beliefs. But one, you can't change your beliefs unless
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  Speaker 1: you think perhaps they're flawed. And two unless you are
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  Speaker 1: absolutely willing to be wrong and prepared to go I
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  Speaker 1: was just wrong, no bullshit, no where you go, no excuses,
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  Speaker 1: no rationale, just I was wrong. And then three, to
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  Speaker 1: be able to consider things that perhaps were at odds
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  Speaker 1: with your previous belief A very common one that I've
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  Speaker 1: used on this show is my habit for thirty years
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  Speaker 1: of teaching the food pyramid because I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was gold standard science. I was taught
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  Speaker 1: that was gold standard science. And then probably ten years ago,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more, I heard the story of
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  Speaker 1: ansel keys and how that model of eating came into being,
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  Speaker 1: and I did some research and more research and asked
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  Speaker 1: some questions and did deeper and deeper dive, and it
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  Speaker 1: turns out that that particular idea or that proposal of
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  Speaker 1: this is the best way to eat is wildly flawed.
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  Speaker 1: Now I believe that, and so I was wrong. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not mad at anyone. I don't blame anyone. I just
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  Speaker 1: go I thought A. Turns out that A was wrong,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually B. And so the moment that I know
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  Speaker 1: something different, or I'm aware that there is information or
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  Speaker 1: data or evidence which doesn't fit my belief and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not at least even willing to consider that, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: coming out a place of fear, fear of being embarrassed,
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  Speaker 1: fear of looking stupid people think, fear of people thinking
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  Speaker 1: less of me, fear of having to own up to something.
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  Speaker 1: And none of that is in an interest to get
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  Speaker 1: to the truth. That's all in an interest to protect
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  Speaker 1: my ego and my bullshit and my reputation. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've said things on this podcast. Nothing springs to mind,
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  Speaker 1: but there's probably one hundred things I've said on this
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  Speaker 1: very show over the last eight years that were bullshit
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  Speaker 1: or partly bullshit, not intentionally, of course, But now if
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  Speaker 1: I revisited that, I might think that that what I
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  Speaker 1: said back then was foolish or not fully enlightened or founded,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So the answer is we can change our beliefs,
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  Speaker 1: but we need to first recognize what are the beliefs
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  Speaker 1: that I currently have that hold me back, How do
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  Speaker 1: they hinder me? And where did they come from? Did
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I choose this belief or is this belief a byproduct
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of who I've hung around and what I've paid attention to.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Because you know, we say you become the average of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the five. You know, that's kind of bro science, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: there's definitely something in it. You know. The chances of
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: me becoming a Catholic, going to a Catholic school and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: never anything else, and having Catholic friends, and being in
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the Catholic Catholic system, and going to Mass every Sunday
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and having Athlelic parents and you know, nuns and priests
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: coming to our house for dinner on a regular well,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the chances of me being a Buddhist was zero. The
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: chances of me being an atheist was zero. The chances
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of me being an Anglican was zero. But then one
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: day you get to the point where you might question
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: something because you go, yeah, I know this is what
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I meant to believe in to believe in inverted commas,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but there's something in me that's going, yeah, that could
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: be bullshit. And the other part to this, which makes
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: it even harder to change beliefs, is we have a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: weird sense of loyalty to our fellow believers, like we
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: live in an echo chamber of belief, so we get
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: trapped in confirmation bias. We only look for evidence or
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: data or stories or information that support our belief So
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: is it possible to change our beliefs? Absolutely? Is it easy? No,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: It's quite difficult, depending on you know. Also, some of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: those beliefs are life shaping and life defining, an identity defining.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: They're the hardest.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Making me think of in relation to these questions, what
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: made me think of that was this morning I was
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: training someone. This will sound weird, but it relates in
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: my head. Hopefully it makes sense. Training someone brand new
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: in boxing and teaching them how you hold yourself changes
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: your reaction. So when we teach boxing, you are changing,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you are changing your posture, and you're training a reaction
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that is beyond your control. Because when something doesn't matter,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: how brave and tough and fear less in inverted commas,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you are when something's rocketing at your face before you
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: have a chance to choose your response, you react, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: if you're standing upright in your posture, your reaction will
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: be to pull back and lift up to get out
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: because your brain goes, fuck, We've got to get out
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of here. If you hold your chin down and hold
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a stance where you are in a forward motion, like
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: crouching like a tiger, and that same thing comes at
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: your face, your reaction. Because I've done this. I've done
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: both of these, and I've changed them in a moment
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in the same session and had different reactions. You will.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You will slip the punch, and you will likely aggress
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: your throwback. So it's got nothing to do about the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: story of whether or not I, oh, I'm so brave
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: when someone punches me old punch and back. That doesn't
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: come into it. So, oh, I believe this, Like, So
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it's what part of those beliefs? So did you? So
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: my question is do you feel like you chose God
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: or you erased the parts of the religious community that
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you didn't connect with and you kept what was left behind.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Wow? Also a good question. So I'm the first to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: put up my hand and say, like, I realize that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the way that I think is just the way that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I think. I don't confuse what I think with absolute truth, right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't confuse my knowledge with wisdom. But so for me,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I was in the middle of for for a number
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of years, multiple churches, you know, maybe eight years, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: this is after Catholicism, and I just saw things to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: me that were out of alignment with the teaching of
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the church. I remember my you know, compared to some people,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: my theological knowledge is too out of ten. Compared to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the average person, it's probably pretty good. So, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: when when I see people doing things which are totally
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: out of alignment with what they would typically say to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: others or preach or be seen to be doing in
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a church situation, and I see basically like fraudulent behavior,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's just you pretending that you're something. And
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: then I see them basically when they think no one's looking,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: being a different version. Right. There's that that now, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that sounds judgmental. Well, I don't mean that to be,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: but that's just that was my observation. And I saw
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that many times. I also saw people who when no
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: one thought when they thought no one was watching, they
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: were an angel, like they were doing just incredible stuff
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for others. Right. So, but this is any group of people.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It could be a synagogue, it could be you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a church. It could be a school group, it could
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: be you know, Kole's where you've got a bunch of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: people who work together. You know you're going to get
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: You're going to get really cross section of how people
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: are and how they behave, and how they think and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: how they choose, and also how they are when people
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: are watching, and how they are when they think people
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: are not watching. So I just found a lot of incongruence,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, misalignment between what I was taught
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and told and trained and what I considered to be
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the wisdom of the Bible. I saw a lot of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you know, divergence, a lot of separation, and I kind
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of fell out of love with church. And I don't
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: think I'm more enlightened than them. They're still you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think that at all. I think I still
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: think I'm a fuck up. You know, sometimes sometimes I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: think I'm a pretty decent human And the truth is,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like that's why if I knew I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have to have faith, right, I don't know. I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: don't know what there is. And I try very hard.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I try very hard to be self aware and realize
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that or think about do I just believe this because
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: this is familiar? Do I just believe this because this
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: is comfortable? And I am pretty good at not doing
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that or being that. In fact, a lot of the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: things that I believe make my life harder in that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I'm inherently selfish. And you know, while I want to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: help people and love people, and I truly do, I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: can be a selfish fuck, you know. And I know
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that if I didn't have the beliefs that I have,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that I would not that I would be. I don't
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: think I'm a great person now, but I would not
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: be the person I am now. I truly believe, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I've said this a hundred times. I truly believe that
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: if you can and really try to come from a
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: place of love, whatever that is with that's kindness or
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: quality time or generosity or empathy or support, you know
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that if you can truly try to come from that perspective,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and it's not to be selfless, because that doesn't work,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: but it's to be less selfish, you know, to have
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a purpose bigger than you, and a purpose that you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: while I make good money, money is not my reason
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: for living. And so to try to, you know, live
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: those values which may or may not be biblical. But
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to me, that's the thing. And I look, I might
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: find out one day, or Mary might find out if
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: she goes quicker and she can email me from heaven
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: dot com hashtag no bullshit up here, she might give
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: me a quick insight. But you know, I think, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: think it's just a really interesting thing to think and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: think about. And I guess God, Heaven, Hell, eternity, life, death,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you know, different realms, you know, spiritual spirituality, spiritual insight,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: spiritual wisdom. You know, there are all of these things
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that we kind of have words for, but I don't
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: know that we fully understand them. And I and I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: can't explain this. And this could be a byproduct of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: my mind, or it could be something else, but I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: know that the intention that I go into experiences with
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about buying my bananas, but if
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do a talk like I did one
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know the other day in Meal Dury that we
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: spoke about or or it could be something perhaps more
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a little deeper, where I'm working with a whole group
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: for a day and it's really people who are ready
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to change their life. I know. So that if I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: if I get out of my own bullshit and ego
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and get I get out of my planning, and I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: get out of my research, and I get out of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: my to do list, and I just you know, I'll
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: pray a little prayer and it might be something you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like all of you, and none of me, like all
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of you, none of me, you know, let me be
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a conduit to the wisdom and the love and the knowledge,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: so that I don't get in the way of what
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: might happen for these people today, you know. And that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: people will go, oh my god, he's gone. No, I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: haven't gone. I've always been like that. I've always been
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like that. It's just I think sometimes we've got to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: be like I try to be mindful of how wide
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I open the door, because some people will go, oh,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: this is fucking psychobabble, bullshit, spiritual bullshit. I'm out. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of course to those people, you know, of course, go
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: find who you connect with or what you connect with,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and either way they could be right. I don't know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but I think you you know, if you stand for nothing,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you'll fall for anything, So you've got to go Look.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but this is what I think,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: This is what I believe, This is what works for me,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: which is why I don't try to evangelize anyone, coerce anyone.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling anyone they should believe in anything. I'm
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: telling you how it works for me, and I just
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: think that it is. It is brave to be able
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to go through life knowing that, or being comfortable with
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the idea that you're going to be wrong a lot,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and you're going to be wrong about things that you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: really do not want to be wrong about. But going
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I was wrong, not Here's twenty reasons why just I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was wrong. So One, if I misled you, I apologize too.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to. Three. I'm going to lean into
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: this and see what I can learn, and see what also,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: see what I can learn beyond beyond the Internet, beyond
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the research, beyond the books, beyond the psychology. I want
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to see what I can learn just by being open,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: by being aware, by paying attention. I think we can
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: learn just by allowing whatever it is our brain, our mind,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: our soul to be a conduit to the wisdom that
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: exists outside of what we think is knowledge. This is deep,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I love it so much. This is one of my
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: favorite conversations. What do you think that your belief in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: God gives you? Like protection, safety, connection, belonging? Like what
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: does it bring to you? And second to that, how
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: do you feel or do you think about how does
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: that change or shape your behavior?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Honestly, sometimes I don't want to believe in God. Hard
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: work be much easier to not to right, I don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: think about like I think if this is just how
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I think if you believe in God because you think
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that's some kind of guarantee to something you probably don't
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: really believe in God. It's kind of like, oh well
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: if I do this, then I won't go to hell there.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really work like that, like you genuinely for
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: me anyway, my understanding my belief is like sometimes I'm
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: mad at God. Sometimes I'm like God, this is I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to do this, Like I don't want to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: do this. God's like, yeah, I don't care, you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: don't care? Like what makes you come t like what
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, is not what I'm like. Let's say
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that the Bible's real, and let's say that there was
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a bloke called Jesus, and let's say that he did
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: get nailed to across on a hill called Calvary and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: died an agonizing, slow, painful death. If all of that's true,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: well that's a that's I'm never going to deal with
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: anything like that, you know, like that's the ultimate. Now,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: obviously that's the that's the Christian message, is that Jesus
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: died for hour, you know, John three point sixteen, for
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: God so love the world that he gave He's only
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: begotten son, that whosoever believes in him would not perish
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: but have eternal life. That's the salvation scripture, right, And
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and then I think about it. Can't just if you go, well,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: i'm a Christian, or if you go I'm a Muslim,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: or if you go I'm a Buddhist, or if you
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: go I'm a Jew, or if you go I'm a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever your theology is. You can't just
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: pick and choose. You can't go, yeah I believe that bit.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that bit, you know, or it's probably
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to let me say this better
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: if you're picking and choosing the inside, it's the wisdom
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the scriptures that work for you because you're you're okay
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to do that, and you're comfortable to do that. Like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I think the messages that are the most empowering and
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the most relevant for me are the ones I don't
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: want to hear. They're the ones I don't want to hear,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you know, Like remember that story I told you about
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: me training? Remember that which one? Remember I told you that? Okay,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I've told this maybe two or three times, right, Yes,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: So I prayed to God one day because I was
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: obsessed with my body and obsessed with training, and I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: just I just started reading the Bible like I was
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: early twenties. I didn't know the front from the back, Genesis,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: first Book, Revelation, last Book, or New Testament. I didn't
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: know where anything was. So I didn't I didn't know
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: one scripture. I couldn't have told you one scripture from
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the Bible. Obviously, growing up as a Catholic, we weren't
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: encouraged to read the Bible right, no heat or hate,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: just that was my experience. So one day I just
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I Remember, there's sixty six books in the Bible, or
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: in the kind of typical Bible. There are a few
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: different ones, but most Bibles have sixty six books. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: within all of those books, which I guess you could
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in more layman's terms, we might call them chapters, but
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: they're called books, and they have a bunch of different
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: chapters within those books and verses in those chapters. And
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean literally tens and tens and tens
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of thousands of words in the Bible. And so one
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: day I felt that I felt that God was telling
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: me that I was obsessed with my body. I mean,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: this is me kraigerfying it, that how I looked and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: what my body was doing and how big my muscles were,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and that was basically my God because I was filled
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: with ego and as insecure and at that point in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: my life, I got validation and approval and acceptance and
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: what I felt was love through what I looked like
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and how well my body could perform. Right, So that's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: very addictive when you were a fat, socially invisible kid
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: who got nothing but heat and hate because of his body.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Now you fast forward six seven years and I'm getting
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: all of this attention because my body is in good shape,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: so attention. Not that I was, you know, spectacular, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: compared to what I look like when I was fourteen,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I was fucking Brad Pitt, right. And while I wanted
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to learn about not just God, I wanted to learn
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: about a different way about thinking about life and about
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: people and about existing and about like, what is life
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: about working, making money and buying stuff and then getting
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: old and dying? Is that what life's about? Because that's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it's kind of what I thought most people thought life
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was about. You know, you get married between twenty and thirty,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you have, you know, two point three kids, you have
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: a golden a trebra station wagon, white pick a fence.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: You do a job, you don't have a passion, You
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: do a job. You do that forty years, and you
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: retire from the thing that you didn't love, but it
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: paid the bills. And then you get old and then
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you get fucked. You might buy a caravan, you might
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: play your goal four times a year, but you're fucked
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and then you die. And I'm like, that was what
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I thought, and I just was very interested in something else,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and I always had it's going to sound weird, but
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I always had what I would call a god curiosity
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and a God awareness. And even now it's sixty one,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I'm telling you that,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you know that I've had for me. And I don't
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: even like saying it because people think you're weird and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he was so sensible until he did that, right,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I get it. But you know, if you believe me,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: then you'll believe me when I tell you that. You know.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I sat in my car with that Bible and I said, God,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: if you want me to not train, you know you
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: want me to like I felt, I was being told
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: not to be basically a fathead obsessed with his own appearance,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: right and body, And so I shut my eyes. I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: didn't know where anything was, didn't know any of the books,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: any of the chapters, any of the scriptures, any of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the verses. I didn't know Old Testament from you. I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: opened the Bible with my eyes closed, and I put
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: my finger in and my prayer was, God, if you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: want me to stop, you know, to change my life
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: in this way, let me know. And my finger was on.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: My finger was at there was a tea and my
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: finger was just before the tea, and the word was
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the no sorry sorry, it was P. It was P.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And the word was physical. Right, So here's the P
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and my fingers at the start. And the scripture is
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: one Timothy four to eight, and it says physical training
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: profiteth a little. This is in the King James version,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: which is old ye world, I'll say it in more
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: modern terms, new international version maybe, which is physical training
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: is of some value, but train yourself in the things
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: of God like that was. That was And my finger
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: with my eyes closed, found that out of thousands of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: thousands of words, and that was the thing that I read.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And then I went directly from there into church. This
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: was my second week at a Bible kind of spirit
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: fuelled Pentecostal church. There was an old guy. For those
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: who've heard this, I apologize Pastor Milton, who was great.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: And I said to him, I asked him like I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: knew the answer because I'd found one scripture, but I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: wanted to hear from him what he would say. And
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I said he was a real theological giant. And I said, Pastor,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I work in a gym. He didn't know me yet,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: he'd met me briefly, but I said I work in
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a gym. I told him what I do. I didn't
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: tell him why I had this question. I said, my
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: question to you is, is there a scripture in the Bible,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the whole Bible, front or back, you know, Old or
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: New Testament, that talks about like working out, like physical training.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, let me think, let me think,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and he kind of it chews over it from maybe
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: six eight seconds, and he goes, yeah, there's there's one scripture.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: He called everyone, dear one. He goes, yes, dear one,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: there's one, and it's one Timothy four eight and it's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you know, physical training, prophetess a little but train yourself
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: onto the things of God. And I'm like, I went
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: white and I just went thank you, and then I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: just walked you know so. And some people will say, well,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that could happen, that's a coincidence. And I'm going to
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: say to you maybe maybe I don't know. Do I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: have proof that that was God? Of course I don't,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: but I have had many things like that happen. Now
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I believe that just like here's my analogy. Do you
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: believe that your body is always sending you signals? Tiff? Yeah, yeah,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: So I believe that our body is a biofeedback system
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and we are all getting messages from our body. I
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: also believe that most people do not listen. It's not
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that the information is there. It's not that the wisdom
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: or the insight or the understanding or the message is
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: not there. It's just that we're not open. Now, if
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you want to do something that's a bit scary, go
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and pray to whoever or whatever. Just say God or
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: whoever or whatever you are, if you are real in
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the next week, just show me something, show me something
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: and be honest. And then people go, oh, yeah, you're
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: going to make something up with your mind. And you know,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: people will always find a reason. And I get it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get it one hundred percent get it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty skeptical too, I trust pretty slowly. I ask
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a thousand questions. But you would be surprised a number
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of people who when you open yourself to the possibility
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: that there's knowledge or wisdom or truth to be gleaned
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and access that doesn't come from the Internet or a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: book or Brian right, then some amazing shit can happen.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Do you remember I'm sure I told you. Do you
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: remember that dream I had, and it was it was
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: some time after we had a similar conversation to this,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: where I was I was asleep. Tell it, You'll probably
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: remember I was, I was asleep, and then I had
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: this kind of this half visa. I think I'm awake
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: but not really kind of dreaming. There's a silhouette and
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: obviously I'm thinking we've had a conversation about God or
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Jesus or whatever. And in that kind of semi half awake,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: vivid feeling, I've gone, I've looked at this silhouett this
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and I've gone show me or proved to me or something.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And in my mind I know that it was like
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: it was like it was God or Jesus or whatever.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: And a moment later, the cat ran its right, so
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I'm in bed. The cat runs and I hear it
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: on the carpet. It runs up and it jumps and
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: it's got its face next to mine, and I've gone
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: into complete shock. And then I opened my eyes and
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: there's no cat there but the cat. My cat doesn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: have access to my so my bedroom door shut and
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the cat's in a completely different room. Wow, and my
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: heart's racing. And I was like that, but at that first,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Like I couldn't move for a second when it was happening,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, what the fuck was that?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: And how did you feel after that?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I just remember it being like what the hell was that?
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And cure it, you.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Know, like yeah, yeah, oh look, it's this stuff. You know.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe one day, by the way, for everyone who thinks,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: oh he's lost it, yeah, well I've always felt like this,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and I've always I think a lot of you know that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, this doesn't mean i'd discount
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the brain or the mind. I'm literally doing a PhD
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in the mind. I love it. I'm fascinated with it all,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm also well aware of placebos. I'm also well
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: aware that we can manufacture experiences without knowing it. I'm
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: well aware of that. But yeah, I just look, I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: am fascinated with what there is to know, what there
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: is to experience, what there is to access beyond what
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: we think there is. And I think, you know, like
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I think I'm a relatively educated person, and i'm I am.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not completely objective, of course, I don't think anyone
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: is completely objective, because everyone's individual experience is literally subjective.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: But I'm a lot more open and willing to be wrong.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: And which is why I say I don't say this
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: is how it is. I say this is how I
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: think it is. This is what I've experienced and everything
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that when I tell you these things, these are actual,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: literal events. These are not you know, we're not talking
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: about a vision I had or you know, these are
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: just things that happened. And you know, I think the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: more that you like open the door to collaborate and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: connect with and pay attention to your body. For example,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the grady your self awareness and self understanding develops like
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you understanding you, you understanding what your body is saying
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to your mind and your brain so that you can
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: go do something. And I think I think it's quite
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the And again this, you know, probably will come in
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: for criticism, but I think it's arrogant to think that
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the only knowledge and truth and wisdom is with humans
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: is like is just lives within the mind of us
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Homo sapiens. We because what we do is we go
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Well that doesn't make sense, so that can't
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: be true. Well, how about that doesn't make sense meaning
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it, meaning it doesn't fit within our
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: scientific box. That we've created for us all to live in.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: But so did many things over the centuries, right, which
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: now in the box, they're out of the box, you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: how about it doesn't make sense to me, But also
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it could be true. I just think that's a better
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: paradigm because we all say, oh, yeah, I want to
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: be teachable, I want to be able to unlearn, I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: want to be open minded. Yeah, but just don't contradict
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: what I already believe. Well, that is the opposite of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: humility and awareness and open mindedness. That is the opposite.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: But that is like my experience is that almost everyone
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: who says I'm open minded is not open minded because
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: they're scared. They're scared because they don't you know, when
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: you believe something like it's very even when I go,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a God, Now that's just
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the truth. Also, the truth is I believe in a God.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: But believing in something is not the same as knowing something.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: And this bothers people to this distinction. Well, literally, faith
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: is believing something you can't prove, Otherwise it wouldn't be
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: called faith. It to be called data, evidence, knowledge, science, whatever.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: But even when we do think we know stuff, i e.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: The food pyramid is the best way to eat. We
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: often find out the thing that we knew in inverted
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: commas was actually a flawed assumption or flawed knowledge, you know.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: So this is the and you know, this is one
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of my favorite conversations with you of all time. You know.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: And I just think that, you know, these conversations where
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: we're not trying to we're just thinking out loud. We're
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: not trying to twist any arms, We're not trying to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: shape any belief systems. We're just going, fuck, who knows,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And you know how many and I'm
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: not saying we're great, We're not great, But you know
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: how many people get on and they're trying to push
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a certain agenda or idea or way and we're going, fuck,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: we don't know, could be, this could be. But hey,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: this is what happened to me. Hey, this is what
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I used to think. This is what I think now. Hey,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I used to be a little bit of a zealous
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I used to be a little bit of
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you know, living in the Jesus echo chamber, and I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: was just too scared to even open the door to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and it wasn't that I became anti God
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: at all, clearly, It was just that there were there.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: The stuff that I struggled with was not the God
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: stuff as much as the human stuff surrounding. Because every human,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: even if they're a preacher, you know, or a rabbi
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: or a priest, or a pastor or a nun or whatever,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: every human, every one of them, is still a human
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: with all their own bullshit. You think that because someone's
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a pastor, that they never tell a lie, that they
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: never have the ego, that they never manipulate people, that
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: they never fucking embrace the power that they don't of
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: course they do. That's not because they're bad, because they're human.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: We have to stop putting people up on altars and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: worshiping humans, for God's sake, stop worshiping people you know nobody.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: There are people that are really good at stuff, and
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: they have hot, big brands and you know, high profiles,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and good on them, good on them, but they ain't
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: any better than any of you listening to this. And
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that as a feel good kind of
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: fucking you know vibe. They're not. And the problem is
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: we live in a culture where people think they are
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: They're prettier, they're smarter, they earn more dough, they're better.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: They're not better. They're not better. And that's part of
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the problem, is that we compare ourselves to people, and
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: you know, we it's a real challenge to be able
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: to go, who am I beyond what I think and
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: what I believe and you know, these things that I've
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: held on to through gritted teeth for so long. And
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: when I do an inventory on my beliefs and ideas
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and my thinking and the consequences of all of that
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: over the last ten twenty years, oh, maybe I need
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to revisit what I think and what I believe and why.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: When we had a recent conversation with I think it
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: was with doctor Jody, you mentioned sometimes you feel like
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: you haven't achieved enough. Yes, what's the context of that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just I feel like, firstly, I'm very grateful
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: for my life, right I don't I don't.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Have spiritual enough? Or is that it is that it
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: is that a human enough? Or is that more on
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: the conversation we're having now, Yeah, No, I.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Guess, I guess actually in both ways. But like, while
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I look back and I remember, I clearly remember how
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I felt and who I was, you know, as you know,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: a very mediocre teenager growing up in the country. At
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: least I thought I was an I probably still think
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I was quite mediocre. I don't think I was a
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: bad kid. I think I was a good kid. But
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: in one way, I look at what I've done and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: some of the things I've achieved, and I'm proud without
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: being arrogant, but I also think I could do more
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: like I have this and even as I get older.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: The this is going to sound arrogant, but I'm going.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: To say it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like my purpose is to help as many
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: people as I can realize, and by realize I mean
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: understand their potential, but also realize means to put interaction
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: and to operationalize their own potential. I feel like and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: to support people, and I feel like that's what I
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: meant to do, and I feel like I'm meant to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: be a version of love to others. You know, on Friday,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: when I did this gig, one of the guys who
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: owns I won't say, I won't embarrass anyone, but he
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: got up and he was saying something about me. In
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the day. He's one of the bosses. And he's a sweetheart,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and he was up in front of the group and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: you know, he started crying. This is a boss at
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: work in front of everyone, standing next to me and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: in front of everyone. I gave him a hug, right,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And it's when we get past the bullshit and we
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: go I'm a man, I'm in front of my team,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, mate, you can cry, one hundred percent.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: You can cry. This is not you being weak or
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: bad or broken or inferior. This is you being fucking
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: real and and it's so admirable. Right. So yeah, I
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: just think that my purpose is to help people understand
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: or find theirs, not guided by me, but you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: supported by me, whatever that is. And I don't think
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: i've done that well enough. I think I've done it, Okay,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I want to do more of it. And if there's
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a God, if God said to me, for the rest
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of your life, I will bring audiences to you. But
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you've got to live in next to poverty. I would
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: say I'm in next door to poverty. I'm in because
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in you know, I like a normal human,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in money, but I'm not driven by money
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: at all. And I think you know that it's like
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not I don't give a fuck about what people
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: think of my financial situation or you know. And it's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: not that I don't care at all about money, of
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: course I do. But for me, money is a resource.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would rather And I've said this before,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: if you say, Harps, you can talk to ten thousand
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: people tonight at Votaphone Arena or fifty people across the
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: road for ten grand I'm going Votaphone Arena every time,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: even if there's no coverage, even if there's no social media,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: even if no one knows about it except the ten
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: thousand people, even if I get zero accolades that I'm
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: in there, you know. So I think because I had
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: moderate success when I was in my early thirties, and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I had more stuff than I ever thought i'd have,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you know, multiple houses, cars, all that shit. In the
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: middle of all of the stuff that I had, it's
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: like I had this. It's like almost God went, okay,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: so you got all the stuff, Now what do you know?
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And I go, it's not about the stuff. It's not
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: about the stuff. Stuff's good. But yeah, so for me,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: that that and also being you know, like I think
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: also to you know, you don't want to beat yourself
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: up constantly, you know, and go I'm shit. And I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: have a tendency to do that, but I need to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: rain that in a little bit. But yeah, I think
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: being of service, being of value and building that love
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: bank balance, and that spiritual bank balance, and that kindness
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: bank balance, and even if it doesn't come back, even
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't come back, you know, you just like
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the New Testament. There's a scripture which a shamedly I
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: can't quote, right. I know the scripture, I can't remember
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: where it's from, but it says when you give, like
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: in other words, when you're giving to Jesus was in
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: the temple and he was talking to the Pharisees and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Sadducees and people that like some of the religious, because
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: what the religious would do back in the day in
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the temples, would they were some of them would come
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: in with like a big treasure chest of gold and
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: go look at me, look at me, right, And it
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't really about making a sacrifice to God. It was
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: really about getting social brownie points and all of that.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: And he said, when you give given secret he said,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: don't let your left hand, know what your right hand's doing.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And he pointed out this old lady that was up
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the front of the synagogue and she had one gold
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: coin and that was all of her wealth in the world,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: So that was one hundred percent of her wealth. And
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: he knew that, and he said, basically, that's that lady.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Is that lady's truly giving, Like she's given the most
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of anyone today, you know, because she gave one hundred
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: percent of what she had to give, you know. So
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've gotten back up on the pulpit.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I apologize everyone.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: One last god question and then you can wrap it up.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Do you have how do you perceive personally if you
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: want to share, or how do you interpret other gods
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: of other religions? Are they an interpretation of the same.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Oh that's all so really smart. Yeah, look, yeah, that
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: is a good question. So, you know, like the God
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: of the Jews, which is the god of the Old Testament.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Jews don't believe that the New Testament is. I think
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: they think it's, you know, a religious text that's interesting maybe,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: but they don't they don't use it as a theological text.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: They don't believe. I think I don't believe. They think
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: it's inspired by God or it's the word of God.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Of course, Muslims call God Allah, you know, Christians in
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the in the Hebrew God is Yahweh or Hashem, and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: you know, so that is a question I can't answer.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: But what I think is on some level, most of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: us are talking about the same dude, right, And you know,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: as for Christians, Christians religions that believe in multiple gods,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But again that's just what I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: believe and don't believe. I don't believe that. But that's like,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: like I've said, who knows, one day I might find out, Hey,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that right, you were wrong, and I'll go my hands
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  Speaker 1: in the air emoji fuck who knew? You know? You know,
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  Speaker 1: It's like I don't know, I don't know, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: so in terms of all of that, I like, what
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  Speaker 1: do I hope out of this conversation? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just I hope that even if people just question,
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  Speaker 1: that maybe there is more than we think, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: what we understand is just what we understand, it's not
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  Speaker 1: what there is to be understood, you know, and that
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  Speaker 1: that having thoughts or beliefs or values or not values, thoughts, beliefs, ideas, ideologies,
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  Speaker 1: theologies that you have embraced that could be a bit
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  Speaker 1: wrong or a lot wrong. Is okay? Is okay? It
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  Speaker 1: is uncomfortable, but it is okay. You know so. And
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  Speaker 1: there are things within Christian doctrine that you know, I
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  Speaker 1: question and I go, oh, that's that's hard for me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I actually don't. It's
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  Speaker 1: not like, well my opinion on that is. I go,
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  Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. I don't know, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's I do know that when I open
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  Speaker 1: myself up to uh be directed or in or I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, spoken to for one of a better word,
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  Speaker 1: I know that generally it happens. And sometimes, honestly, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I just pull the curtain down and put the you know,
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  Speaker 1: closed sign on the door, and I shut myself down
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  Speaker 1: from God. You know, I'm like, don't want to hear,
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear, don't want to hear because I
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm going to be told and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to deal with it. Yeah, so I'm selfish. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Next time you're having a chat to him, can you
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  Speaker 2: just tell him to ease up on the whole cat
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  Speaker 2: stuff and just come and have a chat with me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm cre it is, but don't ask me. Ask him
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  Speaker 1: like one if he's real. If he's real, don't be scared.
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  Speaker 1: You know. There is a scripture that says fear God.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the shortest scriptures in the Bible. Another
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  Speaker 1: one is Jesus wept. It's like these two word scriptures. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: what did I I this scripture? I was thinking about
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  Speaker 1: this morning. It is they use this a lot with
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  Speaker 1: people who I don't like war, by the way, but
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  Speaker 1: soldiers that go to fight for their country. At their
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  Speaker 1: funerals they often have this scription. It's is Sire six eight,
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  Speaker 1: which is from the Old Testament, and it says, M
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  Speaker 1: and the Lord said who will I send? Who will go?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, I am here, I will go. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, And when I hear that, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes the things that God wants you to do,
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  Speaker 1: if there's a God, they are not the things you
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  Speaker 1: want to do. Like you don't want to put yourself
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of shits or chaos or pain or uncertainty.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think that not indifferent to you know,
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  Speaker 1: just developing resilience. You know, that's sometimes opening that door
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to you. Sometimes eventually it makes the
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  Speaker 1: most sense, the most sense. It goes from making no
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  Speaker 1: sense to all the sense. You know, Wow, I did
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  Speaker 1: not expect this conversation tonight, and I don't think we're
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  Speaker 1: going to put it up TIV.
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  Speaker 2: Bullshit. No, I loved it. This is my favorite. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about bloody dead lifts and shit again.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, wow, there we go. God took, God hijacked
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  Speaker 1: the program. God went a yeah, God went, well, you
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  Speaker 1: think you're talking about all that superficial. I was going
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  Speaker 1: to swear then, but I'm pretty sure God doesn't swear.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, the show that God hijacked, that's great. All right, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: love your gats's love you, and you know, let us
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  Speaker 1: know what you think. By the way, if you hated it,
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  Speaker 1: that's okay, let us know. Go I hated it, go
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  Speaker 1: to the new project facebook page. Or if you liked it,
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  Speaker 1: or you found it interesting or helpful or unhelpful, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you found it, that's okay. That's okay. Say goodbye a
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  Speaker 1: fair but TIF thanks Amen hearts, Oh sister, loving the
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  Speaker 1: Lord's wrung I don't want to be raped. Yeah,