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Joe Rogan Experience _2499 - Marcus King · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Check it out. But Joe Willgan experience Train my Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Ron Podcast by night all day. Good to see it,
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  Speaker 2: Bro's it's crazy to be here. It's crazy to have
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  Speaker 2: you here, man, And thank you so much for the guitar.
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  Speaker 2: That's the dopest ship that anybody's ever given me.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I hope you like it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure I like it. I just can't play, and
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  Speaker 2: I would love to learn how to play, but I'd
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  Speaker 2: know my brain and I can't give my brain another
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  Speaker 2: thing to do. Well. The problem is I get obsessed
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  Speaker 2: with things, and me too. I'm sure you can't get
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  Speaker 2: as good as you got without getting obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: Are you like this? Like I don't like doing things
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  Speaker 1: I'm not good at.
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  Speaker 2: I love doing things i'm not good at to get
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  Speaker 2: good at.
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  Speaker 1: Them, right, But it's it's it's just it's not leisurely
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  Speaker 1: to me to be like golf, like I can't enjoy
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  Speaker 1: it because I'm I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Bad at it. Well, you'll enjoy it if you get
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  Speaker 2: good at it. But the problem is to get good
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  Speaker 2: at it, then you got to get obsessed and then
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  Speaker 2: to take less like Jamie's got a fucking virtual reality
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  Speaker 2: thing in the back where he wax balls every day.
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  Speaker 3: He's he's obsessive recovering from it today, sweating.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, hot drummers are really good golfer.
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  Speaker 2: Golf is one of those things that if you get
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  Speaker 2: into that, man, that's your whole fucking days, three or
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  Speaker 2: four days a week. When I was living in Boston,
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  Speaker 2: I noticed that the comedians that really got into golf,
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  Speaker 2: their career kind of stalled because all they were they
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  Speaker 2: were just playing golf all day, having fun, drinking, and
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  Speaker 2: then they'd go to the club at night. But they
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  Speaker 2: weren't writing any new jokes. They weren't obsessing on their career.
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  Speaker 2: They kind of stalled out a little.
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  Speaker 1: When I still drank, I really liked golfing and then
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  Speaker 1: I quit drinking it. I was like, I don't really
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  Speaker 1: like this.
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  Speaker 2: Well did you quit drinking? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I quite a few times, but most recent time was
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  Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago.
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  Speaker 2: Were you quitting because it was you were just off
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  Speaker 2: the rails or like got get your health in order?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? It was. It was kind of a combo deal,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like when I met my wife. At that point,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that I could drink like a gentleman, and
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  Speaker 1: it just never really worked out.
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  Speaker 2: That way.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's just something in me that just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: completely burn my life to the ground every time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a real destructive quality.
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  Speaker 2: That's not good. Yeah, yeah, Fortunately I never had that,
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  Speaker 2: But that is a thing I've seen that. What is that?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's I think a lot of it is
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  Speaker 1: repressed emotions, and that's where they find you when you
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  Speaker 1: when your brain is.
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  Speaker 2: Off the bottle. Yeah yeah, they go, hey Marcus, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: let's get those problems out.
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  Speaker 1: It seduces me. It's like, you don't need anybody, fuck everybody.
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  Speaker 1: That woman they married you, you don't want her.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think sometimes people do that to almost like
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  Speaker 2: save themselves from heartbreak. Sometimes you kind of like wreck
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  Speaker 2: it yourself.
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  Speaker 1: It's like making fun of yourself before anyone else can, Right,
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  Speaker 1: It's like that.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, yeah, right, like just assume it's going to go
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  Speaker 2: about eventually. Let's get this fucking train on the tracks
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  Speaker 2: right now. Crack or.
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  Speaker 1: That was that was kind of my you know, that
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  Speaker 1: was my approach for a while. I just I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 1: I was just I didn't want to feel anything, So
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  Speaker 1: that was all that was where it would always end up.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember even asking my wife. Like a couple
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: of years ago, we opened up for the Avitt Brothers
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  Speaker 1: in Raleigh, North Carolina, and at that point I had
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  Speaker 1: been sober for like six months, and it's like, I
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  Speaker 1: really think I can handle it, and then they got
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  Speaker 1: to It's like the famous last words of Jumbo White Claw,
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  Speaker 1: Like I started with a Jumbo white claw and I
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  Speaker 1: just got completely hammered, blacked out, pissed my wife off
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  Speaker 1: so bad. Like I woke up and I was at
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  Speaker 1: our friend's house, still like on the floor, and she
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  Speaker 1: left in my bus and like my wallet, everything was
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  Speaker 1: on the bus. I had no identification. She was like,
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  Speaker 1: you can fucking figure it out, man, wow, and the
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  Speaker 1: bus turnaround. Come got me. But yeah, she doesn't play
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  Speaker 1: any games.
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  Speaker 2: So did you stop then?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I did also one night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had one night huffed the lease and I
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't handle it. You know. There's just some kind
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  Speaker 1: of quality in me that's like I can't stop, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe someday I'll find it. It's like I gotta
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  Speaker 1: get right in here, you know, and in here with
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  Speaker 1: myself before I can really consider that again.
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  Speaker 2: I quit drinking for about eight months just because I
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  Speaker 2: realized I just wasn't feeling good I was doing because
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  Speaker 2: of the club. I was at the club every night,
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  Speaker 2: and you know it's like one night someone would say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's do shots. I'll do a shot. I want to
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  Speaker 2: be you know, cordial, hang out with everybody, sense of community,
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  Speaker 2: let's all do it together, come on boys. And then
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  Speaker 2: you know, two drinks, three drinks, go home, get up,
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  Speaker 2: feel like shit, work out, do it again the next day,
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  Speaker 2: feel even shittier the next day, and it's like, God, damn,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta take some time off. So I took about
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  Speaker 2: eight months off. I think, I think I'm not exactly
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  Speaker 2: sure how much time I took off. And then I
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  Speaker 2: had like a drink with dinner one night, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: all right, And so since then I've never gotten drunk.
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  Speaker 2: I've only had a drink or two. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so I've managed it. But I was not an alcoholic.
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  Speaker 2: I was just realizing that all this fun was it
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  Speaker 2: was messing up the rest of my time. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what is it. There's an expression then when you drinking
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  Speaker 2: like the you're you're taking a loan out on the
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  Speaker 2: good times that you could have had. For some good
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  Speaker 2: times he can have, right, now and then you got
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  Speaker 2: to pay it back yeah with interest. Yeah, well physically
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  Speaker 2: the problem is physically for me, it just wasn't worth it.
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  Speaker 2: I just I would be working out at the gym
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  Speaker 2: going why why am I doing this? I keep feeling
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  Speaker 2: like shit, And every time I'm working out, I'm pushing
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  Speaker 2: through all this you know, toxic shit that I poured
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  Speaker 2: down my throat the night before, and my body's recovering
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  Speaker 2: from it, so I feel tired and drained, and then
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  Speaker 2: my brain wasn't working as well, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That was That's what it was for me. It was
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  Speaker 1: like the anxiety and just like the the dopamine depletion
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  Speaker 1: and just feeling just completely just like and I'm somebody
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  Speaker 1: who's already struggling with like that's why I drink in
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  Speaker 1: the first place. It's like my mental issues and just
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: anxiety and depression, and then it would just kind of
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  Speaker 1: hit me tenfold the next day.
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  Speaker 2: It's always interesting to me something with anxiety chooses a
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  Speaker 2: path in life, like live performing, Yeah, because is that
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  Speaker 2: anything that gives people anxiety? It's live performing and you're
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  Speaker 2: really good at it. Well, it's just crazy. It's like
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're picking this thing that you're really
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  Speaker 2: good at, but that gives a lot of people anxiety,
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  Speaker 2: and you have anxiety to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's like there's something to that. It's
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  Speaker 1: like Dan Soder I always quote him on this, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I go around each night like craving the
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  Speaker 1: approval of like thousands of people a night. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't think I was doing that because things went
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  Speaker 1: well growing up, right, Like, I'm fucked up. I need
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  Speaker 1: I need all these people to tell me I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: a good job.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the idea is that eventually you channel
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  Speaker 2: that and when you get yourself together. The idea some
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  Speaker 2: people have this idea that if you ever get yourself
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  Speaker 2: together somewhat and I don't think anybody ever gets totally together,
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  Speaker 2: but you get yourself together somewhat, and then you don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't do it for the approval of it. You
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  Speaker 2: do it for the love of the art of it,
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  Speaker 2: the thing and bringing the thing to people and getting
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  Speaker 2: enjoyment out of having these people have a good time.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I think that can be done. I
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  Speaker 2: think you can shift your focus from I just want
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  Speaker 2: these people's love to I want to give them love.
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  Speaker 2: I want everyone to have a good time, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be up there just fucking having a
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  Speaker 2: good time. They're having a good time. We all have
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  Speaker 2: a good time together. I make their lives feel better
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  Speaker 2: for a brief moment, I feel better. Everybody's everybody's better off.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the ship, man, That's what I crave. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I like, we just did a
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  Speaker 1: run of Texas Hockey Talks, which that's that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of the o was just to get everybody in these
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  Speaker 1: sweaty rooms just for the purpose of just like enjoying
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  Speaker 1: music again, getting back to these sticky floors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you reach out to me because we were
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  Speaker 2: talking on the podcast about how rock and roll is
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  Speaker 2: kind of dead and fucking rock and roll ay dead?
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  Speaker 2: Come on? And I was like, all right, well, is
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  Speaker 2: anybody that could tell me that rock and roll is
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  Speaker 2: not dead. It's Marcus king Man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was my boy been journey again. He told me,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, you should text Joe because I'm anna
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  Speaker 1: have a listener. I was like, you think I should
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  Speaker 1: say something. He's like, yeah, fucking telling rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: ain't dead, man, It's here to not Greenhall.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not dead, but it's different. And a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the rock that's out now that's doing really well
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  Speaker 2: is like a Southern inspired rock, which is interesting. There's
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  Speaker 2: like a Southern almost country like rock, like bluesy country rock,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Red Clay Strays like that kind of shit.
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  Speaker 2: They're doing great. It's like there's a lot of that
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  Speaker 2: out there, you know, like people people are digging that
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  Speaker 2: kind of music. But there's just you know, when I
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  Speaker 2: talk about like rock, I mean like when I was
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  Speaker 2: in high school, it was all Van halen Ac DC
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  Speaker 2: like that. There was so many big rock and roll bands,
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  Speaker 2: the Stones, you know, there was just so much of
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  Speaker 2: that out there, and it's odd that there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of big bands like that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's coming back around, I gotta hope.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it doesn't make sense to me because like
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  Speaker 2: the classic rock is still like we're in the green
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: room and Freebird comes on, still everybody's going nuts. I mean,
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean there's Classics another Southern rock and
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: roll band, Leonard S. Kinnerer, but there's there's still like
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  Speaker 2: a love of that kind of music. But it's just
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  Speaker 2: it's weird that it kind of you know, it just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting how cyclical music industry can be. Like I
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: feel like for the first time in the last ten years,
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: like since Urban Cowboy came out, Like because I mean
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: for the last ten years, I've been going to LA
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: with a cowboy hat on and always get the same shit,
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  Speaker 1: like where do you want to park your horse? You know,
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: like what are you up to? Cowboy? People just talking shit.
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  Speaker 1: But now I go out there and everybody's got a
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: cowboy hat on. Really it's like chic. Yeah, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's like in Vogue, like the cowboy thing.
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  Speaker 2: And its you not want to wear a cowboy hat?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's just I think rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: is kind of having a similar resurgence.
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  Speaker 2: God, I hope, so, I hope. So you know, I
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  Speaker 2: mean there's got to be people out there that still
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  Speaker 2: love it, and I just don't I mean, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't understand how there's no new big bands like that.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Well it's interesting, you know. I was actually I was
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: in the gym watching led Zeppelin at Royal Alberhol and
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is a fucking jam band. They're jamming,
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like it, just like the Allman
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Brothers band was a jam band. They had guidelines, and
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how we do our show. Like we
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: have songs that were playing just to get to that
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: that improvisational section where we can just kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: work with the chemistry of the crowd and each other
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  Speaker 1: on stage.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting to me, like the way things have become subdivided.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you're not a jam band unless
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  Speaker 1: it's like Widespread or like Fish or like the Dead
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. But like Zeppelin was a fucking
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: jam band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in a lot of ways. Yeah, especially when they're
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  Speaker 2: performing live. Yeah, yeah, it's what is that band that
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: sounds like Zeppelin? Fleet? Yeah, Gretavan Fleet. They're fucking great.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird. It's weird because they sound so much like Zeppelin,
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  Speaker 2: but they're really good. So like I give them a pass.
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  Speaker 1: They get a pass from me. I mean, they're my boys.
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  Speaker 1: I really, I really like those dudes. Like we used
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  Speaker 1: to party together a bunch. They live in Nashville, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: the guitar player, Jake, he's he's just the sweetest guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like he gave me a housewarming gifts. He's like really
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  Speaker 1: into pirate stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Pirate stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really into piracy. And he gave me he
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  Speaker 1: gave me a like a like a like a musket pistol.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, what a pirate would have carried around?
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  Speaker 2: I got a real one. Yeah, so like from the
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  Speaker 2: olden days. Yeah, oh shit, that's gonna be worth a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fucking money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. What is an old musket pistol? Run? How much
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  Speaker 2: can you one of them? For?
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  Speaker 3: See?
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  Speaker 2: If you gonna find something Jamie, Yeah, an old musket pistol.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: You know, when the Conquista doors took over Mexico, that's
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  Speaker 2: they had twelve of those.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, twelve guns.
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  Speaker 2: Twelve musket pistols.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked that up on Perplexity. I was diving
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: deep into how the fuck Mexico became Spanish? Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like what happened? How did they like they lost like
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: one hundred indigenous languages at least? Wow, it's kind of crazy,
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  Speaker 2: but here it is what you can get one from
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five.
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  Speaker 3: Bucks modern reproduction?
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, reproductions? What about a real one here? Antique ones?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Seventeenth century Barbie War's antique pirate flint locked pistol recently
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  Speaker 2: sold for four hundred and sixteen dollars. That's it. Yeah,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: that seems crazy. That seems crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's It's pretty good for a gift budget.
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  Speaker 3: I'd say it looks basically having a reproductions and what
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  Speaker 3: you just said, they're being twelve back then, they might
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  Speaker 3: not be that many of them that exists. You have
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  Speaker 3: to make reproductions.
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  Speaker 2: But if this has antique pirate era muskets and it's
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  Speaker 2: said it's sold for four hundred and sixteen bucks, I
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: mean from the seventeenth century, maybe it sucks, it's a
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: bad one, but it's from the sixteen hundreds and it's
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: sold for four hundred and sixteen bucks. Can you see
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: what those look like? We'll see if we can get one.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: We should get one and put it on the wall.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, look at that one. How much is that one?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the one that sold for four hundred bucks.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: That says one hundred and fifty five dollars. What that's crazy?
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  Speaker 2: How are they're so cheap?
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  Speaker 3: There's one for four sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: God, that seems like they should be almost priceless. I
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: mean this is from the fucking sixteen hundreds and it's
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: sold for four hundred bucks. That one sold for two
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, can just go pick them up. There's a store
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  Speaker 3: in Austin.
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  Speaker 2: I got a bunch, No way, really.
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  Speaker 3: I went to the store. They've got a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: weird shit like this. They must they would have to
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  Speaker 3: happen throw three hundred bucks, I guess I would, and
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of armor and guns and cannons.
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  Speaker 2: And weird what what place is this?
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  Speaker 3: It's called collectors.
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  Speaker 2: There's something weird about those dudes who like want to
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  Speaker 2: recreate wars. Yeah, that's an odd thing. That's a very
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: odd thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I've got the facial air of a
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  Speaker 1: civil war and grate actor. But it's about as class
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  Speaker 1: as I go.
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  Speaker 2: On the wall. Oh wow, that's in Austin. No ship,
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  Speaker 2: Well that's pretty fucking dope. Collectors crossroads what it was about?
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  Speaker 2: And they have a little musket pistols kinds of I.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Wonder, how do you know the crossbows crossards?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Crossbow is just a shitty gun. I'm not a fan.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: If it was a pirates crossbows, yeah, I guess it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of cool, but it's just Uh, it is weird
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  Speaker 2: that we're really into like old like, you know, it's
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: interesting you're holding something that's a piece of history, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: what history is is like at the time, this was
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the ship. At the time, this was like the coolest
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  Speaker 2: thing you can get, like four hundred years ago, if
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: you wanted to kill somebody, this was the way to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: do it. You had to get one of these things,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: which is very odd. Yeah, this is very odd that.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Oh look at all that stuff.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: It was George Washington ship there, but they had that's
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: what it looks like.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: It would be George Washington's swords. I don't know. We
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: should get one of those for Shane. He's a big
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: George Washington fan. There you go, Wow, look at that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, I mean that's a weird one. Look
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: at the handle on that fucker.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: It's from Middle East Central Asia.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Could look it's got like a dragon mouth on the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: back of it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: That's pretty sweet.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Huh, all right, we need one of those. All right,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a road trip. We should probably do it before this
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: episode comes out tonight. Yeah, we me to go down
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: there today before this episode goes fuck up their business
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to go there. It's empty. Oh, these dorks have a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: fucking armor all over their house. Now it's just people
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: that are really into like the old wars and recreating
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: old wars. I always I always want to know, like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? Like what happened here?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's I grew up with a kid that was
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like that, that was obsessed with like everything Army, Navy.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But he his father was in the military. But he
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: had never gone into the military. They wouldn't they wouldn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: accept him.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Why. I don't know.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think he could ever pass the physical He
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: was a bigger dude.
• 18:47
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• 18:51
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• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Do you get into the military?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I believe it, man, just based on my own experience,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Like remember the presidentential fitness tests, Like that's a that's
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a bad memory of mine, just hanging on the pull
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: up bar in front of all my classmates and not
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: being able to do one pull up, just hanging there.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: What is the presidential fitness test?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: It's something they did when I was a kid. It's
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: like they wanted to make sure that you could do
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like ten push ups or however many pull ups or whatever.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: How many pull ups do you have to do for
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the presidential fitness test.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: There's a different standard, but they literally, this was going
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: on last week. They just started it up again. Donald
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Trump had like rising his shamba in the White House
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: with a couple guys, Gary Player and Kick.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: They had kids in there also.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That's funny. It's funny because you I'd go, hey, why
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: don't you do it? Let me see you do it up, Bro.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Twenty two push ups for a ten year old.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Twenty two push ups? That's a lot.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Forty five curl ups? That's crazy.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Six pull ups that's a lot.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: What's a curl up with the other way, like by
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: steps hands, you know, pull up with your hands?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Forty five? Yeah, come on, that's crazy. Wait a minute
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and an eight minute mile? Come on? Is that really?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It says six pull ups or forty five curl ups?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But curl ups aren't that much easier than pull ups,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: are they?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I remember when I was ten, they were what But
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: that's just being a ten year old because your body
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: you're only only like sixty, you know. I don't know
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: if kids are light lighter than I am.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I was heavier than most.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, there are different standards.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I remember kids, some kids, Bro, forty five is crazy,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that seems it seems excessive. That seems like a lot
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of reps. I don't even understand how that's possible that
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that's the standard. I don't think I could do that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Actually, I think there as they're sit ups, it's calling
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: it a curl up because here.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, sit ups. Okay.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Why are they calling it curl ups? Because it was
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like forty five chin ups. So it's like there's pull
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: ups and chin up. Which one's a pull up? Which
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: one's a chin up?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Pull up? Hands over, okay, and then up?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: That's what Threaty five of those would be bonkers. That's crazy.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I can't do that. That's because like six pull ups
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I could do easy, but forty five. But forty five
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: sit ups is still hard. That's hard too. Well, that's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It's a standard, huh not for kids there.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: That it seems like a lot of kids wouldn't be
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: there for forty five setups.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: What are they trying to do?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: What are they doing?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I would fail on that too, So they couldn't draft me.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: These motherfuckers are talking about drafting people. I was listening
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to Tim Dillon show and he was saying that see
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: if this is true that Pallenteer thinks that we should
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: reintroduce conscription, conscription, that kids should start getting drafted again
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: into military, and they should have mandatory military experience for kids.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why anybody would want to support that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: That sounds crazy, especially after this Iran war where everybody's like,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: why the fuck are we anyrn and if you signed
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: up for that? That sounds nuts? Is that real volunteer's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: public call for the US to move away from an
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: all volunteer military and towards some form of universal national
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: service the many observers interpret as reintroducing a draft or conscription.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim got into this manifesto that I didn't. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: haven't looked into this show.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Why the fuck would a tech company be saying that
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: we need to move towards a universal national military service?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: How about fuck you? How about fuck you? You go?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Because you know, none of these tech dorks that are
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: running these companies, they're not doing it, Like what you
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Yeah, throwing meat into the machine,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: throwing people's children into these unnecessary wars. Fuck you, it's scary,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It's very scary. It's scary that they would like, how
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: about let's figure out a way to use your technology
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: so there's no more wars. Wouldn't that be a better goal, right,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: instead of getting kids to fucking learn how to go
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: shoot people they don't know because someone tells you to.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And how many of these out of all the wars
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that we've been in since World War Two, is it
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: zero that made sense? I think it's zero. I think
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: there's one war that we've been in since World War
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Two that makes any fucking sense at all. Sure, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: they're like, I haven't those solutions. We need more people
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: to be forced into it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, what would a draft look like in today's culture?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, like with inclusion, would it be like anybody
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: at eighteen years old, give me drafted? Or do you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: think it would still be just able bodied young men.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. You know, I'm for people doing
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: whatever they want, but when it comes to like combat,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you're gonna draft women? That would be fucking insane. That
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: would be insane. So are you not gonna are you
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be sexist? Are you gonna yeah? Are you gonna
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: go inclusion and say everybody has to do it? Well,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: then that'll be good for America. Because most people would say,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. On a chance in
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: hell we're doing that right. I just don't understand how
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: people that aren't elected officials, that essentially just run a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: tech company, well, think it's a good idea to call
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: for national military service. I've heard other people say that too.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I've heard like podcasters and weird tech people say it's
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a good idea, And I don't know what the fuck
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: they're thinking. I think they should have to go over
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: there and experience war and then and then come back
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and see if you really think the same thing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Sure I buy that. I mean, or at least go
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: on like a USO tour or something, go with Jeffrey Ross,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: see what it's about.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: You know, well, then you're just gonna meet people that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: are happy to see you. You need to actually see combat.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I just don't get why we'd been listening to them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You make software, keep doing that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that they don't even have the like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: why would they say that?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't know, it doesn't sound good. And it's also
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: they make weird surveillance software that a lot of people
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: are like, But how much are you severe? How much
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: power do you have? Like Tim Dillon went pretty deep
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: on it on the show, which is I can't recommend enough.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: If you do not listen to Tim Dillon show, you're
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: sucking up. It's the funniest fucking take on all the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: chaos that's going on in the world. I don't think
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: there's anybody better right now. His His podcast is fucking phenomenal.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It's my must listen to podcasts every week. Yep, it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: so good. I just listen. But if you watch it,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: it's even more ridiculous. He did this thing about them
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: giving ozepic to babies. Oh, it was so funny. It
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: was so ridiculous.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: My dad did ozimpic and he said, he said, man,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you know, like you can eat through that. He's like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you can just keep going. I mean you won't feel great,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: but you know it curbs your appetite, but you can
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: get it down.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Well. Tim talked about it because he did it, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: he said it didn't just stop his desire for food,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: it stopped his desire for everything, which I've heard. So
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: there's some people that think there's some good in these
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: GLP ones for addiction because it curbs whatever that is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: as well, So it can help people with all kinds
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: of addictions to not just like food addictions, alcohol, but gambling,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: like weird stuff. I heard that, Yeah, I did.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I actually I was doing it for a minute, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it was around the time that I was like one
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of the times I was trying to quit drinking and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I was working on a record, and I was trying
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it out and it actually curbed my desire for a Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what else did it do?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Gave me really bad stomach cramps?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And also, I mean that was like before I really
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know. At that at that time
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of my life, I just wasn't really concerned about what
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I put in my body. You know. I say that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: while I'm smoking a cigarette.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But you know, but dude, you're smoking natural spirits. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: think those are safe and effective.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, additive free.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just, uh, I always wonder about these things
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: when things come along to give people an easy fix,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: like Okay, maybe it works, or maybe there's some sort
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of side effect that's going to fuck you up for
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the rest of your life. And for some people there is.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, some people are experiencing all kinds of wild
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: side effects, and stomach paralysis is one of them. Brian
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Simpson got pancreat titus from it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Really mm hmm.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was sick in bed for like two weeks.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It fucked him up.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I mean the long term effects, like
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you just have no idea because it's new, you know.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I've also heard that the problem is that dosages are
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: too high. And what you know, when you go into
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a doctor, they give you a standard dosage, and the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: way to do it, some people feel is to make
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a much smaller dose than what they're prescribing, and that
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: that's what you need. You need a little bit of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a curb to it, not like a complete cessation of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: all desire.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: To eat right, get into that high dosage really fast,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: could probably be harmful.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Or have some fucking discipline. How about try that out?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: How about try out don't eat as much, same thing,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: except this way, it's not going to kill your body
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: or kill your stomach or make you go blind. What
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: are the side effects? Because there's a lot of lawsuits,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: there's a shit ton of lawsuits that are coming to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: down the pipe because I think people have gone blind.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I think I might have made that up. Check that,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: but this this wild lawsuits. People are claiming bad side
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: effects from this stuff, which you know makes sense. It's medication.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: People vary biologically, can cause permanent blindness in one eye.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Oh well, you know you got your other guy and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: now you got a six pack eye stroke. Oh boy, wow,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: non are territic, interior ischemic optic neuropathy. I don't think
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I said that right. Sudden, painless and often permanent blindness
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: in one eye. Wow, sounds like that does side effects
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: A cute pancreatitis, that's what Brian got. Gall bladder problems,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: gastro esis, stomach paralysis, bowel obstructions, and potential thyroid tumors.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Mild GI issues are common. These severe complications require immediate
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: medical attention, often occurring more frequently at higher doses. Yeah,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that's what they're saying. It's apparently when you're getting it
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: from a pharmaceutical drug company, you're getting it that. This
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: is the argument for compounding pharmacies. Apparently. And then there's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a new one that's coming out. What is it called
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: retuitide red a true tide red, a true tide And
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: this one is supposed to be better because it doesn't
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: cause muscle loss and it doesn't cause bone density loss,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and it's supposed to be more effective. Hum investigational.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I mean I just typed them red true tide.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Isn't that a weird word? Investigational once weakly injectable triple
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: agonist medication targeting GLP one, g i P and lukagin
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: receptors developed by Eli Lilly showing unprecedented weight loss results
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of up to twenty four percent in phase two trials.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: They say that this is going to be a trillion
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: dollar medication or how some fucking discipline.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go to.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The gym, eat better, be healthy. Do what Jelly Roll did. Yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: you know, Jelly Roll was at the club last night.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: He's down three hundred pounds.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: That's nuts.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: He runs like five miles a day, He works out
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: every day. He looks fantastic. He looks like a different person.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It's like I knew him when he was like five
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: hundred pounds, and now I know him when he's in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the twos. It's like he's a different human. He looks different.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I know it's still Jelly Roll, but it looks like
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: a completely different man. It's nuts.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I remember when we did. I was in the house
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: band for kill Tony at the Garden and Jelly came
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: out and did New York, New York.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: That's got to be a custom suit, Like that's a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: big suitah. And then the next time I saw him,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: he was like he is now and I mean help
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: like what I did, because like I have an appetite,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like what I do now, Like I I'm
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: basically doing like a Keto diet because I like to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: eat a lot of whatever.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: It is me too.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So if it's like a big salad, you know, or whatever.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But I'm down like twenty five pounds doing that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Are you doing this with the help of a nutritionist?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Are you just doing it on your own?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Stewing it on my own?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you're laughing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, you know, it's just I've tried
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a few different routes. Man, I've been I've been you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Husky since I was a kid, and shopping in the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Husky department a kmart.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You know, is this U Do you think it's a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: genetic thing. Do you think it's the way you eat
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: as a child? What do you think?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I think psychological a lot of it. It was like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the only thing I had control of as as a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: child is like food. It was like and a scarcity
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: mindset as well. Just like the way that I, you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: think about food. It's just you know, probably not the healthiest.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: So for me, it's just easier to say, like, I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: don't eat these things because like if I eat bread
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: or something like that, it just hurts my stomach now,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know. And I just I can feel like the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: difference when I don't eat it, you know, and I
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: just feel better energy.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And once you get your body working on keytones too,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the thing is you've just your brain functions better. That's
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: one of the more interesting things. That's why people take
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: things like like keytne what is it keytone IQ? That
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: stuff's great, Like you just down one of those little
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: shots and it puts you into katosis temporarily. Oh really,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: m yeah, they're exogynous keytnes. I think the guy who
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: just invented those just died. He was also a guy
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: that worked for ball Cole Labs. He developed the the
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: clear that shit that Barry Bonds took, Okay, the steroids.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: So this guy was a chemist. He was a scientist.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I think someone Oh, I think Chris Bell, Chris Bell
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: or Mark I think it was Mark Bell just posted
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: about it on his Instagram page that this guy just died.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: This guy was like one of America's great chemists, and
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: he developed a lot of these things, including exogenous keytnes.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: According to Mark, but that's one of the things that
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I noticed when I went into when I did the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: carnivore diet, is that immediately my brain just started functioning better,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: which is what I tried to eat most of the time.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Like this morning, I ate sausage and eggs and sausage
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: from an animal that I shot. I like to do that.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I eat like I had sable. This is the guy.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: So this is Mark's Instagram. The greatest chemist of our time,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: if possibly any other, Patrick Arnold is dead. Patrick Arnold's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the guy who made the cream and the clear for
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the Bonds and Maguire all that Bond Maguire bast blasted
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: home runs off of. Supposedly, in addition to those incredible inventions,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: he also brought exogronous keytones to the market. What happened
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to that guy? How did he die?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting picture to put up. Yeah, it looks
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: like Oswald looking at.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: He looks healthy. I want to know how he died.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I wonder how old that picture was organic chemists interestine
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: die on too. Oh he he had all those pro
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: what are what are those pro hormones or whatever those
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: things were the people were taking that weren't totally steroids,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: but they were kind of steroid. Like, how did he die?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Does it say, uh, he died at sixty hmm, Maybe
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: he's experimenting on him himself. Bunch, just put it in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the cause of death. I know it should come up.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You would think a guy who's working on like performance
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and fitness. Does it say when you click on what happened?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Oh to David Arnold? Patrick Arnold? Huh so it just
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't say how he died? And oh, okay, so it
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: hasn't been released yet. Mmmm. He made a lot of roids.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: You gotta wonder the dude is like doing so much
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: work in anabolic steroids. You work for Balco. They were
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the ones that are making undetectable steroids. You know about
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that whole story. This is back in the was it
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, Jamie the MacGuire around two thousand, So
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: they developed steroids that were undetectable. So when they would
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: test for steroids, what they would do is they would
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: take because when I guess the way it works is
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: when they're doing a steroid test, they're looking for very
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: specific molecules. So they invented a molecule that had like
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: additional things attached to it where it wouldn't show up.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I'll probably butchering that, but essentially there were undetectable steroids.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Think one of them was called the Clear, and the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: guy who ran their lab was called Balco Laboratories. This
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: guy Victor Conti, who eventually went to jail for that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And then when he I don't know why I get
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: went to jail, but he got out and then became
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: an anti steroid sort of activist and he was I
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: don't know what to say activist, but he was essentially
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: he was ratting people out and saying that this guy's
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: probably doing steroids and this is how he's doing it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And then a lot of athletes were using his company
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to use steroid free performance enhancing supplements that were legal,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: so he would show you what's legal and how to
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: do it. He knew a lot about it because he
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: did the illegal stuff too.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, I've got I've gotten a couple of steroid shots,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: like before a show, like if my voice goes.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Out, Like what kind of is it?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Like a cortisome or I guess that's what it is,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that one that they shooting your ass.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Hmmm? What does that do? Like for your voice?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: When your voice just brings you back?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Man, it's gotta be rough when a fucking singer loses
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: their voice.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people have asked me before, like what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: my warm up routine is, and like I've never had one.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And cigarettes a couple of cigarettes that used to be
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: shot of whiskey. If I was really in dire straits,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I would take like a handful of sugar free gummy
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: bears and put boiling water on that, really, and then
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the gummy bears would like coat my throat. Huh, like
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: honey ginger, lemon.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hot water and lemon is a really good one.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: There's something about that.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: That it's like time off is what fucks my voice
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: up more than anything.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Time off really. Oh so, like your vocal cords get
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: out of shape, interesting.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Because it's hard to like keep them up, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: right unless you're like going in your garage and screaming
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: for two hours a night.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You know, that's crazy. I never thought about it like that.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Like your vocal cords are essentially a muscle like any other,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and they develop over time and you get endurance. That
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like the pandemic was like the first time
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that a lot of us like had any extended amount
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: of time off from the road, and we all started
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: noticing like or at least me, like I came back
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: like hurting a little bit.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Ah, that makes sense. I saw Guns and Roses in Athens, Greece,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and uh Axel Rose you know has that crazy singing style. Yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it's like like that has to be fucking hell on
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: your voice, and you know, the show was amazing, but
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: his voice is not the same. It's just there's no
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: way it can be.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I know Steven Tyler like he's back, isn't.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So he quit for a while because he was
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: like I can't sing, and then he healed up and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: now he's back again.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what he did, but I played
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: with him back in January and like the boys.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Really, no shit, that's fucking great.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Sang his ass off.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: That's fucking great. I love to hear that. I saw
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the Stones a couple of years ago at a circuit
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of the Americas and Mitt Jagger can still whale. He
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: can still whale. That was a great fucking show. Almost surreal.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It's got a lot of energy too, man, so much energy,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it's crazy.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: He has two trailer trucks that he brings with him
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that are just Jim equipment. Wow, everywhere they go, two
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: big ass trailer trucks just fill with Jim equipment. They say.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: He works out seven days a week. That's awesome. And
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: he's one hundred and eighty thousand years old. He's still
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: up there still, and that Keith Richard's opposite approach, whiskey, cocaine, LSD,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: no problems, still there too. So it's like, yeah, find
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: something you love and stick with it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I know. It's so funny. Like that makes me think
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: of like we went out with Willie a few times,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and Willie's got like like most artists, he's got like
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: eighteen tractor trailers back there. But like I don't know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: if you've been to a Willie Nelson show recently, it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: like there's nothing on stage. I'm like, what's in all
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: these fucking trucks. I never really got to the bottom
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of that. But there's like seven or eight truck drivers.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: That it's all weed.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It must be all weed or something.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Go in it's all grow lights and and shit, he's
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: got that drink that they sell. Oh yeah, he's got
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that weed drink. Yeah. And Ron White brought some to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the green room of the Comedy Mothership and someone was saying, Oh,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you can't get it. That's not real. I'm like, it's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: real as fuck, dude. That stuff's very legit real. Yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: it's very I don't know what the rules are, the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: laws are.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: It's starting to become like a gray area.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: It should be. I mean they just made it schedule three, okay,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: so what that means is and I mean lessen. It's
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: a great step in the right direction. I'm very happy
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that the President did that. It really should be regulated
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the same way alcohol is. It should be for adult
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: use twenty one and older. It shouldn't be Maybe, I
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: wonder what the issue. Well, I'm sure there's a bunch
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of issues. Right. There's like lobbies that are trying to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: keep it illegal. Like there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: want it legal because it cuts down on alcohol sales.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: And I know they lobby to try to make sure
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: those laws stay in place. And then unfortunately, you have
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: prison guard unions that lobby for it, which is fucked right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: They want to keep their job, and so the way
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: they keep their job is to keep people locked up.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And the way they keep people locked up is keep
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: laws that don't make sense, Like if we fucked up,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that's a that's an evil, fucking it's It just doesn't
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: make any sense. If you can buy alcohol, you should
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: be able to. Like I'm not saying you should drink alcohol.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: You don't drink alcohol anymore. Like I said, I took
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: months off. It's like, you should have some self control.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And I know some people don't, but get your shit together.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You should. But other people are fine with alcohol. They
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: go to the bar, have a drink or two, go home,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: go out to dinner, have a drink, go at home,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: have a drink while they're watching TV, and they're fine. Yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: it should be a personal choice. No adult should be
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: able to tell you what you can and can't do
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and be able to lock you up in a fucking
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: cage if you don't listen, that's nuts. And in a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: free country, and this country is as free as it
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: gets in this world, there's no way weed should be illegal.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It should be regulated and it should be only for
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: people that are adults, where you know, you have to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: be twenty one to be able to buy it. Like,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: it's never stopped kids from getting alcohol. They still get alcohol.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: It's not stopping kids right now from getting weed. They
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: can still get wet. But if it was legal and regulated,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: first of all, we'd get taxes from it, and that
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: would be huge for every state. You'd get a ton
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: of tax money that you're not getting right now. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: also you would keep people from getting locked up for
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: their own personal choices, which is just insane.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I mean not a lot of people get locked up
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: for personal use these days. That's pretty rare. But there's
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: still there's just way too many laws.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's interesting too, Like if you have
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: like like CBD flower, technically that's legal.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: So like if you just put some of your cannabis
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: in a CBD container, Like are there ways to like
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: test that on the side of the road, Like if
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you get pulled and they start your car, not on the.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Side of the road, but they could confiscate it and
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: then test it, I think. But there's weird things about
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like legalization of I was watching a YouTube video about
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: what Texas's laws were, and Texas's laws are the amount
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: of THHC by volume. So the thing about that is
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: if you get like gummies, like a ten milligram gummy
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: will pass that by volume and be legal. So are
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: you saying that people can take ten milligram THHC gummies
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and that's legal, Yeah, because they'll fuck you up. Like,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: if you don't smoke weed, a ten milligram THHC gummy,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: we'll have you going, Oh, take two of those, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: who knows what's gonna happen. Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I just watched this movie that a friend of mine
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: was in, this movie, Landy Wilson, and we watched the movie,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to spoil the movie for anybody,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: but it turns out that the girl like she went
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to jail because she was impaired while driving, and she
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: was impaired by weed gummies. And I was like, that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: kind of okay.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Well it depends on how much you took. Yeah, but
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: if you take two hundred milligrams to get behind a wheel,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: you're not even exactly sure what the road.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Is a lot, yeah, right, so that's pretty impaired.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: That's a that's equivalent to like eight shots of whiskey
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and then getting in your truck. Yeah, you're impaired. I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: don't think you should drive on weed. I definitely don't
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: think you should drive fucked up. But it's like the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: same like I don't advocate drinking and driving either, But
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: if you have like one drink and drive, like you're
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: gonna feel like a little relaxed and lubricated. But I
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: don't know how much you'll be. And it also varies
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: on who the person is. If the person is used
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: to drinking all the time, one drink is not going
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: to do a damn thing to them. But for some people,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: one drink will make you drive stupid. You'll do stupid things.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's all a personal responsibility thing.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: That's the bottom line about all of it. And yeah,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be out there drinking, and you shouldn't be
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: out there eating five hundred milligram edibles and fucking driving
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: in a car. No no, which.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I remember one time my drummer had this like THHC spray.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Have you ever sucked with that?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, we had that back in California, like bread spray.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was I was still drinking at the time,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and me and my wife were both just hammered. And
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: we were on this a faerry, like the tour bus
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: goes on to the ferry and the fairy carries you
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: over from France to the UK. And we were like
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: sitting in the loungerrya on the ferry or lounge aya
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: on the ferry rather, and he had this spray and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's not doing anything. Me and my
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: wife both kept just spraying it. No, And I woke
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: up in my bed just like in a cartoon, just
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: like completely removed from reality. Just and yeah, it was.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: It was a bad, bad scene.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I remember one time I took uh. They had these
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: THC breath strips that they used to sell and the
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: problem with these things and this is back in the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: pre legalization days of pre twenty sixteen in California, And
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: so each store you would get weed at, like they
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: would have medical stores, so you could go to a
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: doctor and say, hey, doc, I got a headache, and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: they know you need medicine and they would write your
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: prescription and then you can go and like there's always
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: reasons to have it, just like there's reasons to have
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: tail and all. Do you get a headache, yeah, well
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: then you need it. Do you have a back ache, yeah,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: well then you need it. So you could get it
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: pretty easy. And they had these breast strips and I
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: took one and I got on a plane and I
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: closed my eyes when I was lying on the plane,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: and I was watching Neon car like cartoon characters that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: are made out of Neon light, and they were having sex.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: It was an orgy of car and I was just
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: lying there with my eyes closed, watching these cartoon Neon
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: characters fuck and they were fucking in like complete blackness,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: like void. So it was just the of their weird
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: bodies just banging each other, and then they would shift
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: shapes and another one will pile on and I was like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. It was very psychedelic. It was almost
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: like but when I'd open my eyes, the world was normal. Yeah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like I was. The world was wiggling and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I was just sitting. I didn't have anything to do.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I was flying all the way in New York. It
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: was a six hour flight. By the time it landed,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I had sobered up, but I was like, this is crazy,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Like how much is in these fucking things? Because it's
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: they're not making him in the same labs where they're
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: making fucking tiling all sure, you know. I mean it's
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: some hippie, some dude who's like pouring weed into a
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: machine and can't remember whether I put weed in there
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: because he's high as fucking so he adds double. They're
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: very inconsistent.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: It's like the microdoses that I used to get in
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: making Georgia. I was like, some of these are stronger
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: than other ones, and he's like, yeah, depending on the day,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: my boy, he was like, you know, he's gonna ride
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: it for whatever it is.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why we need legalization regulation. That's the thing
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: about whiskey. You get a glass of whiskey, you get
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: a shot. You know exactly what that shot is gonna do.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: The shots of whiskey have been having the same impact
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: on human beings for hundreds of fucking years. Yeah, and
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: that's how it should be with all these things. But
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: the problem is when they're an outlawed. You know, some
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: of them are you know, a glass of wine. Some
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: of them are fucking moonshine. Like, you need regulation, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: it's the idea that there's laws against people's personal choices
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: just fucking stupid man. There's plenty of laws that are good.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Don't murder people, don't rob, don't rape, don't do this,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: don't do that. That's great, don't vandalize great, Great laws
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: makes sense better society. Laws on personal choices, especially things
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that you might enjoy, like having a joint with your wife,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you know, after dinner and just sitting there and watching
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Netflix together. Like the fucking arm thugs can burst into
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: your house and take the joint away from me, Like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: who are we protecting? Who are we serving? Who are
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: we protecting and serving with that? That's dumb. It's just
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: bad for society, and it creates this business. Once a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: business is established, the business of enforcement. Once that business
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: is established, that business doesn't want to go away because
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: now you have a bunch of people whose jobs depend
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: on enforcing laws, enforcing these things that don't make any sense,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and they want to protect that because that's their livelihood.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So now you've got a quagmire. Now you're in a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: terrible situation. There's no easy way out other than ripping
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the band aid off and making it legal. You're also
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: propping up the cartels. That's the other problem with it
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: being completely illegal. In this country federally is like, well,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: guess what, there's still a demand for it. So legal
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: companies that actually employ people and give the employees health
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: care and you know, have rules and regulations. Now they're
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: not making it, so they're not growing it. So instead
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: you have fucking cartels that are growing it in California
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: on public land because if you get caught, it's just
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: a misdemeanor because it's legal in California. So literally, I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: think it's more than eighty percent of all lee the
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: weed that's sold in the United States that's illegal is
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: grown in California on public lands by the cartel, and
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: they use toxic pesticides and herbicides, they use all kinds
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: of shit that you're not allowed to use in normal farming.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: And you know, the only reason why it exists is
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: because we've made these stupid fucking laws. So now that
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: it's Schedule three, it's in the same category as like
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: tile and all with codeine, which is not bad. It's better,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: certainly better than Schedule one, which is ridiculous. So now
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: hopefully once they do more testing and more studies, they
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: can get to a point where federally it's legal and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: regulated that would be the best case for everybody just
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: in the same category as alcohol. Get all that tax
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• 55:03
  Speaker 1: When did it? When did he get scheduled to schedule one.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Well, the whole schedule one thing. This is what I
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: talked about when I went to the White House recently,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: which is a hilarious thing to say for a retard
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: like meate that I helped get things scheduled. I mean,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: when it all goes down in the history books they
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: attached my name to this, it's going to be really confusing.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, fucking that guy, what, how? What
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the fuck happened? So when in nineteen seventy the Richard
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Nixon administration passed the Controlled Substances Act and it made DMT, psilocybin,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: LSD all these different things, it made them schedule one
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: so that the idea is that there was no bene
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: including iba game, which is crazy, which means it has
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: no medical benefit and harmful, addictive, all these different qualities
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: that they attached to it. But the only reason they
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: did that was to target the civil rights movement, the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: civil rights movement and the anti war movement. That's what
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: they were doing. They didn't like the fact that these
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: people were causing trouble. And then they were organizing, you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: marches and doing all these different things that we're disrupting
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: the government, and there was also this movement where people
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: like why are we living the way we're living? Like
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: this was the sixties, Like why are we doing what
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: we're doing? Well? I don't want to be like my parents,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they're not happy, you know. I want to live a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: life that's like freeer. I want to be filled with
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: love and joy and I want to you know, have
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: a good time and follow the grateful debt around. Like
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: so a lot of people in government were very concerned
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: with this new movement. And if you go and like
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: music is a great example, like if you look at
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: the music of the nineteen fifties and then you look
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: at the music of the nineteen sixties, like what the
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: fuck happened? Like if you look at the music of
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and the music of twenty twenty six not
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: much difference, right, great, but it's like it's not there's
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: not some revolutionary, crazy new change. But you saw that
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: from nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty nine there is
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: a radical difference, a radical difference. Nineteen fifty you got
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: like you go from Buddy Holly to Jimmy Hendrix, Like, Okay,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: what the fuck happened? Something crazy must have happened, And
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: it's drugs, it's psychedelic drugs.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It's like the stone ape theory m hm, and you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: our modern society exactly exactly.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And this terrified the administration, and they were really worried
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that they were going to completely lose control of the country,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: and so they passed this Controlled Substances Act, and that
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: happened in nineteen seventy and from that time on, we've
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: been fucked. You know, for fifty six fucking years, we've
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: been under the grip of this stupid fucking law that
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: was passed by the Nixon administration. It didn't make any sense.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Some of the rugs that they attitude aren't even psychoactive.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: They just threw a bunch of stuff in there, and
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: they missed a bunch of potent ones. Yeah, they missed
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: five methoxy dmt. They missed five meo dmt, which is
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: one of the most potent psychedelics, if not the most
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: potent psychedelics. You used to be able to buy that online.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Oh dude.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: There was a company that you could order from and
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: they would send you a fucking jug of it as
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: big as this. Now, the amount that gets you blasted
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: into the center of the universe and introduces you to God.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Is like the size. It's like the size that goes
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: on your pinky, like your pinky nail, like that amount
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: you smoke that you'll see God. And you could just
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: buy a fucking jar of it online. There was a
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: company called the American Chemical Company, American Chemical Company or
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: American Chemical Corporation, and you used to be able to
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: just buy five mythoxy dmt and they would just send
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: it to you like a jar of vitamins. Wow boo.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And then you could go to head shops and buy salvia.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: So salvia is a fucking insanely potent psychedelic, which, by
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: the way, is also sage. Like sage is the same family,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: the same genus as salvia. So like think about it,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: sage meaning wise like like an old sage. And meanwhile,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: that is one of the most potent psychedelics in the world.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: And so kids were going to head chops and buying salvia.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they've made that illegal now they
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: probably have, right, is salvia illegal now?
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I think I don't know.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: So. Ari Shafir on Brian Redband's podcast, do you know
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: the story? Okay? Ari Shafir went on Brian Redband's podcast
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: and took a giant hit of salvia and went under
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: for like ten minutes, and when he came back, he
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: said that he had lived six months under the water
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: with like with the entire different community of human beings
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: under the water, had relationships, had a job, like, had
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: a six month experience, and then came back in that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: ten minutes and he was so confused, he was so baffled.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: He's like, I had life under there. I had a girlfriend,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I had friends. He goes, I had all these experiences.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, Oh he's crazy.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Man, he's crazy. He's fun.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: He came out to my show in New York. He's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the man.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: He is the man. But I mean, that's that's how
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: potent this fucking salvia stuff is. By the way, a
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: lady had a very similar experience recently who went into
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: a coma. So she was in a coma for an
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: extended period of time. I want to say, it was
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like a few months. And when she came out she
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: had a whole life that she said, she had triplets
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and she had like she was married, all these different things.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Here here's a story. She asked for her triplets after
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: waking up from a coma. Doctors say they never existed.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: When she woke from a coma, first thing she did
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: was ask for her three daughters. Medical staff was stunned.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: The response shattered her entire world. Just like that, the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: children she had nursed, watched grow and deeply cared for
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: over seven years were gone. So she was placed in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: a medically induced coma for three weeks, and what followed
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: was a dream of a lifetime. Quite literally, she was
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: obviously not aware that she was in a coma. Instead,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: she slipped into a dream and a lifetime unfolded before
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: her eyes. Talking to out that the team recalled having
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: extremely intense dreams and nightmares. She was not aware that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: she was in a coma at the time, so these
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: dreams became her reality. So she became a mother. She said,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: it felt so real. She felt the physical and emotional
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: pain throughout the hallucination. I could feel so many things
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: when I dreamed about giving birth. I felt the stress.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: I also felt a lot of pain in this dream.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: I gave birth to triplets who I named Meela Miles
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and II Lee Milee died shortly after birth. I felt
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: so awful, overwhelmed with sadness and guilt, she recalled. She
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: remembers the first skinned to skin contact that she had
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: with her babies. It was incredible. I felt an overwhelming
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: wave of love, she added in her dream. She lived
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: for seven years and watched her daughters grow up. Each
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: had their own personalities. One was quite shy, the other
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: was a bundle of energy. I remember walks, meals we shared,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: and bedtime stories. She loved them with all her heart.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And then she woke up from the coma and was
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: told that her children never existed. That's when they told
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: me they didn't exist. I was in shock. I was
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: so convinced that it was real that the time I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: saw my parents again, I told them they were grandparents.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: WHOA.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: It makes it makes you like wonder, like what is reality?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: What is this thing that we're currently experiencing And we're
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: currently experiencing this thing, but what is this? Is this everything?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Is this the whole thing? Or is this like one
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: channel on an infinite radio and just while we're on
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: that channel, we think this is the radio?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe there's maybe when you go to sleep, maybe
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: that's just as real as being awake. But the idea
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that you just shut off every night is bananas. Yeah,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: we look forward to it. Oh, can't wait to just
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: go away away, You can't wait to not exist. And
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: if you don't, like if I don't get enough sleep,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, whatever whatever happens during the dream time, the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: sleep time, the recovery, I feel it. I've my waking
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: life like I haven't done what I'm supposed to do
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: by sleeping for an extended period of time. So my
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: this reality is compromised. This reality, I'm dumber, my memory sucks,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I'm more tired, I don't have any energy. I can't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: wait to go to sleep, can't wait to shut off.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: So like a pay back the void, pay back the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: void the time I owe into the dreamland of bizarre dreams.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just the symbolism of dreams too. I've been having
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of crazy dreams lately, Like what I dream
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: about snakes a lot, which is a good It's a
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: good sign, is it. Yeah, dreaming about snakes evidently just
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: represents like shedding your skin, going into something new, you know, growing.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Or you're surrounded by people who want to get you.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Or maybe that which both can be true. You know
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the music business.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of snakes isn't it every business though.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just the idea, like the business side
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: is just so in contrast to like the artistic sensibility,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and artists is supposed to be not supposed
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: to be, but just like psychological or make up is
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: more just like open and just more just like giving
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and wanting to share your craft for somebody and more emotional,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and then having to be like a shark
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: and having to think like these snakes contracts.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Marcus, you're going to make so much money.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Marcus, it's only seven years.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: It's just seven years with an extension with options, with
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: options sounds about.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about these song rights. Yeah, you'll have other
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: songs in the future that will be even better. Better
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: on yourself, Marcus, good money. Don't you want a big house?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to fancy car? You need a rolex?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Late Night with the Devil?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's the talk show? Yeah, yeah that is
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: great man who made that?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: That's a really good movie.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: We watched it on the bus one night.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, that was like twenty nineteen or
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: something heavy. Yeah, this was twenty twenty four. Oh, it's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: an Australian movie. Jack Delroy, the host of a failing
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: It's in nineteen seventy seven. Jack Delroy, the host of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: a failing late night show, decides decides to film me
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Halloween Special. However, the broadcast takes a dark turn, unleashing
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: evil into the nation's living rooms. Yeah, it's a dope movie.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: It's really fun. It's fucking scary shit too.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: It was scary.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good, bro. You know, it's fucking scary
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: as shit and really good that I just found out
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: about from my daughter. There's a new show called well,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: it's not even new, it's like four seasons. It's called
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: from from Yeah, it's like it's on Apple TV. I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's an Apple show, but it's on
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Apple TV. It's with the dude from Lost, one of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: the dads from Lost.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Harold Para Lost.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: He's been in a lot of things. Yeah, he's great
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: and the show is fucking terrifying. Is It's very original
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: and very weird. So it came out in twenty twenty two.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Interesting season premiered on epics.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, what's it on now? Is it just on Apple TV?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Release Epics MGM plus.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it says in twenty eighteen, YouTube read remember
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: we were talking about YouTube Red Canada.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Eliot's on Paramount plus Indians on Amazon Prime.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: I was on all over the place, huh.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: For MGM pluses.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: So it appeared on epics. I don't even know what
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: MGM plus is. Maybe that's just the company that's the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: production company. So in twenty twenty six, they renewed the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: series for a fifth and final season. It's fucking good man,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: It's good, and it's really scary. It's really scary and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: fucking creepy and horrific. It's about these people that are
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: stuck in this town that doesn't make any sense, Like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: the town doesn't make any sense, and you can't get
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: out of the town. And at nighttime people come out
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: of the woods, but they're not people, and they're like
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: these monsters. And if you let them into your house,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: you can't let them into your house. But if you
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: let them in your house, they they butcher you and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: tear you apart. And people, they try to trick you
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: into letting you letting them into your house, like I'm
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: not doing it justice. It's like sounds stupid, but here's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: the pitch, but it's it's really scary, man, It's really
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: scary and really creepy to the point like I'm watching
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I get anxiety, and I don't like watching shit like
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: that before I go to bed because then I get
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: like weird dreams and I start getting because it's like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: children are in trouble in it, and I'm a father
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and when I see children in trouble, I get I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: fucking freak out. You know, there's part of you, like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: the sheep dog in you, just like right, So it's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: it's a good show.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Though my wife gets on to me. I like, it's
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: like forensic Files. I love it.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: You like that before you go to bed. I don't
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: know what that's crazy.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: That's my comfort how.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: People murdered people. Yeah, I remember that show on HBO,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: the Autopsy Show. That was like one of the first ones.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you know that show, The Autopsy One.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: It was this guy, doctor Michael Badden, And what he
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: was was a forensic scientist that would catch people that
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: had murdered people and got away with it. They would
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: exhum bodies and find things and it was all these
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: different cases of where someone had gotten away with murder.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: But then they discovered how they did it. It's very
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: very interesting because people are fucking weird man, Like you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of like wives poisoning their husbands, like multiple
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: husbands died of similar ways. And yep, nurses that poison
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: the people under their care.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Some fucked up people out there.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: There's some fucked up people out there, man. And it's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the crazy thing is they get away with it. That's
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: the crazy thing is for everyone that Michael Badden catches,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: how many of them get away with it?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Like what percentages of murders in America go unsolved? Let's
• 1:10:34
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• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: what the what do you think it is? What percentage
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: of murders go unsolved in America?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Uh, that's a good question. I made a guess fifty
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: sixty WHOA, But I don't I don't know how you
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: would quantified. I guess you'd find out.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Well, someone gets murdered and they don't catch anybody.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Oh right, right, okay, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Wow. So you're saying there's a chance approximately forty to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: fifty percent of burders in the United States go unsolved,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: means it roughly half of all homicide cases do not
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: result in the rest or resolution. So I was talking
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: to somebody and someone who lives in their community got
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: arrested because the wife went missing and they got the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: wife's DNA from this guy's chainsaw. They have no body,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: they have no evidence other than there's some DNA on
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: his chainsaw, and you know he's playing stupid. So he's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: in jail now. But everybody that knows him, and like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: these these friends of mine, they know the family, they
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: knew him, they knew her shit, and he's just in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: jail and they don't know if they have enough evidence
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: to convict him. And so he's been in jail for
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: a while now and they're trying to gather enough evidence
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: for trial. But all they have is like DNA. I
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: don't even know what that means, Like how much DNA?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Like did he clean the chainsaw and not do a
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: good job? I don't know what that means.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: But she like out like trimming edges?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Who knows? That's the thing. It's like you could use
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: a chainsaw and accidentally scratch yourself, Like you don't even
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: have to cut yourself. It doesn't even have to be
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: on like if your move, if you're, you know, taking
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: a chain I don't know why the wife would be
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: taking a chainsaw out into the mean, some women are
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: capable and they do it. But you know, the accidentally
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: scraped your arm with his chainsaw, and they went over
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: every blade with a swab. I probably could find your
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: DNA go, oh my god, you did it.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what happened. But apparently
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: these people that I know believe that the husband chop
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: this lady up. Really yeah, they think you did it.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: They were fighting a lot, And.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, my sister used
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: to and like Shane's actually got a really funny bit
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: about how diabolical older sisters are. And just my sister
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: used to say, I hope you go to jail for
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: something you didn't do. Whoa hope you get wrongfully convicted
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: for something. You're in jail forever. It's a terrible thing
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to say to somebody.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: What did you do to her to make her say
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: that to you?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Who fucking knows?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: That's so dark. I hope you go to jail for
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: something you didn't do. Is so evil. Wow're very close, now,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: are you?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, she's a kid. How old was she when
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: she did that.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: She's two years older than me, so she must have
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: been like nine or ten.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, but people say things kids stuff, and nine or
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: ten they're just being kids. Yeah, that's a diabolical mind though,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Like that's how you want someone to suffer. You want
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: someone to emotionally suffer for something they didn't do. Forever.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Her and a neighbor boy, it was a vacant house
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: across her mind, and they like locked me in the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: back fence and my sister was like, this is where
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: you live now. They were like unless you break that window.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to break the window,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: and like sure enough, Like they said, well, we're not
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: letting you out of this gate. And I probably could
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: have waited it out, but I was like five or six,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: so I just said all right. So I took a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: brick to the window and they're like, well, we're gonna
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: go tell on, you know. I was like, Wow, really
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: fucked up?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: What the fuck does she do now?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: My sister's actually she's a badass man. She's she drives
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: for the Department of Transportation, She's got her CDL, she's awesome.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Sounds like she has some devious thoughts in her mind.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: She's yeah, sounds like she.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Should write books.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I know, she's so smart.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: That sounds very creative, you know, like she's manipulating a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: five year old breaking window so she could tell on them.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: But as a seven year old. Yeah, no, she's she's awesome.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: But uh, actually I had a good friend I told
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: that story too, and she loved it so much. She
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: got me a welcome map from my house that said
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: this is where you live. Now.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up. Man, Where did she learn that kind
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: of behavior? Probably my mom always your mom like that.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: My mom was pretty wild.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, yep, I.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Had an interested upbringing.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Most artists do, especially the most interesting artists. I don't
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: know a lot of interesting artists that say long, My
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: childhood was perfect. It was amazing. There was so much
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: love and everybody was really supportive and understanding. Yeah, we
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: talked a lot about stuff, and yep, spoke about our feelings.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Mostly they're on the dinner table. There's there's always some
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: sort of element of psychological torture.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Involved, or some kind of abandonment her, or some kind
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: of sometimes teachy uncle whatever it is.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Yep, something ignoring you. Yeah, just not making you a priority,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: making you not feel special, or making you feel like
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: you're a burden. Is something something that causes you to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: like want exorbitant amounts of attention from strangers. Sure, yeah,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: but look that's where the great stuff comes from, which
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: is really wild. Like there's this concept that you cannot
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: have good without evil, and I think there's something to that.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's just part of the human condition. For
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, you don't appreciate good unless you experience bad,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: which is why rich kids are fucked. You grow up
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: rich with everything you've ever wanted. There's no struggle. It's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: so difficult for those people to ever be exceptional because
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: they don't have the motivation. They don't have that they
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: haven't experienced the bad, not in that way. Like I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: remember I went on a hunting tree with my friend
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Steve Vanella and Brian Collen. We went to Alaska and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: it rained every day. It rained for like six days
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: in where we're soaking wet. And we came back to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: LA and it was sunny and I was driving my
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: car and I had to call my friend Steve and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I said, Dude, I have never been happier. The sun
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: hits my face. I'm so appreciative, I'm so happy, and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I've never felt like this, Like it's always like this
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: in La, but it never meant anything to me. It
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: was just another day in La, gotta go to work.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: But this one day, I was like just filled with
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: gratitude and I was so happy. The sun on my
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: face felt so good and warm, and I realized, like, oh,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: you have to suffer in order to really appreciate the good.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Like if it's just all good, you're not gonna appreciate it,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: you don't. You need evil people so that you really
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: appreciate the people that are beautiful and that you love.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: You need people that suck, so you appreciate people that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: are kind. You know, you need people that are mean,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: so you appreciate the ones that are nice.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just people that are on the level. Just people
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: that are like, no agenda, just kind people. And it
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: is that duality that kind of gives you perspective. That's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: what I meditate on every day, is perspective.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: That's why I wonder about the music business and then
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: even the comedy business. I think kind of any business,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's the same with the music move whether
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: a movie making business, as well. It's like you almost
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: need these rotten vampire cunts that are you know what
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I mean. It's like to see you but so that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: like when you see a fellow musicians that you love,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: like you give them a hug, like you embrace each
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: other like we're cool, Like you know what I mean,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: It's like we're together now, it's all right, We're okay, trauma. Yeah,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: we're away from the cunts. We're away from the vampire cuts.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: It's like a boy Charlie Crockett. You know, Charlie always
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: says like you can do what they do, but they
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: can't do what you do.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Mmm.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Charlie's great. He's interesting, dude too, very interesting dude, very
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: interesting life like the life that that guy had and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: playing street music for so long and finally getting discovered.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Very like again, but that's how you get a person
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: like that. When you talked about his childhood, I fucked up.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: It wasn't crazy. He was basically just on his own
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: from the time he was a teenager, just running around
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: just singing songs.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: You know, Like that's how you get a person like that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't create a Charlie Crockett in a lab.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: No or a jelly roll. You don't. You don't create
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: those in a lab. They got to go to jail first,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it's like, I mean,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Jelly's like one of the most beautiful people I've ever
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: met in my life. He's the one of the nicest, sweetest,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: kind of warm, affectionate people. Everybody hugs, everybody tells everybody
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: he loves him, and he means it. And because he's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: been through hell, you know, and that's that's how you
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: make a person like that.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Jilly's in like a constant state of like like when
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: you run into somebody after they've had an ayahuasca experience.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: He has this constant like gratitude. Yes, that I feel
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: like kind of fades even with people who have like
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: ayahuasca journeys or experiences. Yeah, you know, he's just I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, there's something really pure to that.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's maintained it. And especially now that he's on
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: this like health journey. I think that sometimes the momentum
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: of life takes over and you kind of forget those
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: beautiful moments. You're grounded in these moments where you realize,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: like God, I'm so lucky to have a beautiful family
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: that I love and friends that I love and be
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: able to do what I do for a living. God,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so lucky. And that feeling like sometimes it goes
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: away because you're dealing with this and that and contracts
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: and fucking Then New York Times wrote a hit piece
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: on you, oh shit, and you forget. Yes, you lose
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: your perspective. But I almost feel like you need all
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: those other shitty elements to just reinforce the good elements.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: That there's this constant sort of mechanism that's going on
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: where there's this constant process of pros and cons, of
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: negatives and positives, and they're duking it out to see
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: who writes. And the more the negative comes at you,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: the more it has this creative desire inside of you
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: to excel with your music or your art or whatever
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: it is that you do, to just push past it.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about some of the great songs that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: people have written just about the struggles that they've gone through,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: just even in the music business, you know, like Leonard
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Skinner working for MCA. You know, there's a lot of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: those songs like that where it's just like people just
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: want to tell you what the fuck they've been through?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh le chikh uh freak out?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: What's that about?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: They weren't, like, they weren't allowed to get into Studio
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: fifty four. They wouldn't let him in. And the song
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: was originally written as fuck you you know, da da
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: da that fuck you?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Oh really they went instead it's freak out.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I ended up being a major hit.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: That was because they couldn't get into a club. Yeah,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: that's pretty crazy, pretty crazy, Yeah, yep.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: But it is just about threading that needle of like
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: wanting more for yourself, but for the right reasons. And
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: that's something that I think about every day. It's just
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: like having a virtuous reason to want more, you know,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: not just for the sake of having it or for
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: hoarding wealth or anything like that. It's like, I want
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: to work to where I can get to a place where,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: you know, my wife and I can have our own
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: bus and raise kids on the road, you know, But
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: you can't do that unless you have a certain profit
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: margin on the road, you know. So I'm always kind
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: of trying to think of like virtuous causes to want more,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: you know, because in reality, you know, I should be
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: grateful for everything that I do have, but also speaking
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: to that, you know, and trying to meditate on the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: things that I'm grateful for every day.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: That's a good perspective. I think people get trapped in
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: working towards a result instead of thinking about the process. Right.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: I try to be process oriented. I try to think
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: about whatever I'm doing, just try to be better at
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: it and do a better job at it. And I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: think the other stuff sort of takes care of itself
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: if you have the right people. And that's where the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: evil cunt vampires come in, because they'll steal all that goodwill.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Like if you leave the door open, look on that
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: TV show I'm from, you let them in. Yep, They'll
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: fucking tear you apart.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I'll tear you up.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Just And it's hard because you don't want to become jaded, right,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: You don't want to become like I feel like I
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: meet a lot of people out there who like they're
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: open and their kind, but they're not interested in making
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: any new friends.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: It's like they have their circle. And on one hand,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I kind of understand that. I get that, you know,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: but it's it's hard, you know, you got to maintain
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: a certain level of perspective not to become like angry.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it's hard, and it's hard to know
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: who you can let into your circle too. Well. You
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: got to give people as trust test, you know what
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: I mean. Yep, it's almost like you have to give
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: them a baggie and then have a fake cop correct. Yeah,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: let's say where you get Marcus King gave it to me.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Oh gotcha, bitch.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I ran into this guy recently, and uh, basically what happened,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Like I was on jam cruise years ago and I
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: was super fucked up, and I was supposed to sit
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: in with this band called Naughty Professor from New Orleans
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: and they're like they're so good and they're just outrageously
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: talented musicians. And I had gone out on an adventure
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: that morning on a catamaran. I didn't know what the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: fucking catamaran was. I didn't know if it was land
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: air or sea vessel. Right, so we go out there,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: turns out it's a boat and uh, we go like
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: snorkeling in the Cayman Islands and we're just like looking
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: at all the fish and like my girlfriend at the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: time and a bass player friend of mine from a
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: back on Lettuce. His name's Jesus. So out there with
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time and Jesus. Yeah not well,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: his name is Eric, but he goes by Jesus.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy, how did Eric get in your circle.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a Messiah complex or anything. I
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: think it's just a nickname that stuck. But they were
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: dripping on acid and I was drunk on rum and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: beer and just out there waiting. And like when we
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: came out for air, the boat had or we had
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: drifted quite a ways from the boat, and like we
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: couldn't get their attention, and like the waves started crashing
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: and like a storm started rolling in like fig waves,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, I'm not the strongest swimmer, you know,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: but we were basically, you know, we were treading water
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: out there for like forty minutes.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: And like, holy shit, dude, you know, we.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: We were gonna drown. And finally the dude jumped off
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: the boat and came out there, and then he was
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: like yelling at me because I didn't have flippers on.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I was just out there with just my shorts on
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and some goggles, and he signaled for the boat to
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: come around and they pulled us up out of the water.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: So after that we were celebrating our life, you know.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: So I got completely hammered. And then I was on
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: the boat and I was like, well, I need to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: pick me up, you know, because I got to sit
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: in with these guys and they're like college educated, like
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: jazz musicians. So, uh, this guy comes over. He's like, hey, man,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: you know you're two sky and I was like yeah, yep.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: And he pulled out a spoon and he digs it
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: down in the bag and I go to take it
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: and it's like a small little mountain. I was like,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: give me a little more, and he gave me some
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: more and big snort. My whole face went numb, and
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: I was like and it stung. And I was like, whoa,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: what the fuck was that? And he was like, oh,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: dude's a little blow and I was like, no, it wasn't,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: and like he said, yeah it was. And I grabbed
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: him by the shirt and I said, what the fuck
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: did you give me? Motherfucker? And he looked at his
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: buddy like well he had had him, you know, like this,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: and he said, hey, what bag did you give me? Bro?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: And he was like the blue one and he's like,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: oh now he looked at me and I was like,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: what was it. He's like, is kadamene totally the wrong direction?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: But I ran into that guy at the Grand Offering
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: and he came into my dress room was like, hey,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: remember me, wrong bag. I was like, yeah, I remember you.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like you.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You kind of put me in a weird spot.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: What was that like? Taking ketamine after you almost died?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Man? It was heavy, you know. I basically like from
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: what I recall, like I became part of the boat.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: That's how I remember it. Like my feet were like
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: in the deck, you know, and like I was moving
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: the whole boat with every step that I took. That's
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: what I remember. Whoa Yeah. But there was this one
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: guy that kept trying to get me to come play
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: a festival in like New Mexico, and I kind of
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: put him off the whole week and then he ran
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: into me and like I just remember his eyes getting
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: big like saucers. I don't know what I said to him,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: but it was some crazy shit. It wasn't English at all.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Probably ketymine talk keta Meane's a weird one man because
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that are doing that right
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: now for therapy. Yeah, like Neil Brennan, a comedian, the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: co creator of The Chappelle Show. He was the first
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: person to tell me about it, because Neil's had depression
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: problems most of his life. And we were in la
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: and he said, we're in the hallway of the comedy.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Story goes, I've been doing ketamine therapy for depression, And
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: I go, how's that working out? Is it good? He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: But I didn't know what to expect. He goes, I thought, oh,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: you know, it's in a doctor's office. It's probably gonna
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: be just I'm probably just gonna close my eyes and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I'll feel He goes. No, he goes, it's fucking a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: full blown trip. He goes, Tripping balls in a doctor's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: office is fucking strange. I bet he said it worked
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: though for a little while. Like he's done a bunch
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: of different things. He did a ton of ayahuasca, he's
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: done a bunch of ketamine. He did like magnets on
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: his brain. I think he's done like a bunch of
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: different things that try to like rewire the way his
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: brain works. Like whatever it is.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a journey I'm on you know, I'm
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: on antidepressants and I want to get off them.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Which one is you're on?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm on Symbalta.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: What does that one do well? Is it an SSR? I?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: So basically just kind of a it's for a chemical imbalance,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: you know. But like the best work that I did
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: to combat my depression and anxiety and stuff was micro
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: dos and you know, mushrooms. Yeah, like that's that's the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: most progress that I'd seen in my life. And I'm
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: going to figure out some kind of strategy because you know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: like being on antidepressants and them telling you like, oh,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: don't just stop taking them all at once or you know,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: you could have seizures and shit, I'm like, I don't
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't want to be like, you know,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: enslaved by a drug, by a pharmaceutical drug. You know. Yeah,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I'm And it's like also like now you just take
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: this the rest of your life. It's like, what's the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: end result here?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? THEO Vaughn's going through the exact same thing. And
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: last time I was on the podcast, he was explaining
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: to me, and it freaks me out because I know
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: THEO has had conversations before, like even publicly. He had
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: a Netflix taping and it didn't go well. It's like
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: they actually never they shelved it, they never used it.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: And you know, there was all these stories from people
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: that were there saying he bombed. I think he just
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: had kind of a breakdown. And when he was talking
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: to the crowd, and there's a video of where we said,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: you know, the people were saying, hey, we still love you,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: go thank you. Look, I'm just I'm trying not to
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: take my own life. That's what I'm trying to do
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, And like you hear stuff like that
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: and you just go like, oh, oh, Jesus Christ, I've
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: known too many people that I didn't think were going
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: to kill themselves and then did. And then he goes
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: down these spirals where he starts talking about world events
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: and freaking out. I'm like, oh Jesus Christ, like, I
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: got to help this dude. And so I send him
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: things about people getting off of them and apparently there's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: some doctors that specialize in getting people off of them.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing about that chemical imbalance thing, that's
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: not real. They used to think that that was what
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: these things do that they treated a chemical imbalance, but
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: then recently the studies have shown that that is not
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: what they do. They don't exactly know what they do,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: and they kind of numb you in some sort of
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: a way that helps some people. And I've had some friends,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: and you know, I don't want to make any blanket statements,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: because I had some friends that were suicidal. Ari's one
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: of them, and he got on SSRIs and it helped
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: him got on He tried a bunch of different ones,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: found one that worked, got on track, and then his
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: career started taking off. And then as his career started
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: taking off, he started feeling much better. He was on
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: a good positive path in his life. And then he
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: slowly weaned himself off of those and now he's off
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: of them. So I think that might have saved his life.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: I also know other people that have been on there
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: on those things and taking their own lives. So I
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: don't know, because that's part of one of the side
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: effects of suicidal ideation. It's one of the side effects.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: But see if you could find anything about the chemical
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: imbalance not being true. The chemical imbalance reason for taking SSRIs,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: it's they've measured like levels of dopamine serotonin, and people
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: that take it's not that's not what it's doing, and
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: they don't even exactly know why it works. And it's
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: a huge business. That's part of the problem. And it's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: also part of the problem that these doctors are incentivized
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: to prescribe people these things. I had a friend that
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: went to a psychiatrist and was talking about their life
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: and things not doing well, and immediately the doctor tried
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: to prescribe him SSRIs right away, like right away, here's
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: something that you're never going to get off. I'm gonna
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: give it to you right away, first meeting. And he
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: was like, well, I don't mean shouldn't I like try exercise,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: shouldn't I try diet, shouldn't I try just drinking water?
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: And you know, like I read something about like magnesium
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: and red light therapy being far more effective than even SSRIs.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: There is no good evidence for the simple chemical imbalance
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: like low serotonin that directly causes depression or automatically means
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: someone should take an SSRI. But SSRIs do change brain
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: chemistry in ways that can help some people. But so
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: for decades, depression was popularly explained as a serotonin im
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: bounce in the brain. Large reviews of the research have
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: not found convincing evidence that people with depression have consistently
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: low serotonin or a specific measurable imbalance that explains their symptoms.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Experts now to describe the chemical inbounced story as an
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: oversimplified or outdated way of explaining a much more complex condition.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing about depression. It has to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: be connected to the state of your life. Like if
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: you have a terrible job, you're in a bad relationship,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: you have abusive parents, you know, and you live in
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: a shitty neighborhood. Why would you be happy? Oh I'm depressed.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Oh you need a pill? Do you? Is that what
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: you need? Well, it's quite possible that you're eating processed
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: foods and you have all these other things that we
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: talked about, shitty live, shitty house, shitty job, shitty neighborhood,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: shitty parents. Maybe you just need to make your life positive,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: like figure out a way to get your life in
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: a positive direction. They've shown that exercise is way more
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: effective than antidepressants at actually helping people with depression. Just exercise,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Just fucking go on a nice long walk every day,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: do some cardio. You know, take a fucking yoga class.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: That's way better for people than these goddamn pills. But
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: these doctors are financially incentivized to prescribe these things, and
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: they prescribe them and hand them out like candy. And again,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: I think for some people it helps them.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: And that's the issue, right, I mean, if it wasn't
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: a financial incentive, I think it would be like, take
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: these for six months, you'll be better, you know.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't be like forever this is you. Now
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: he is six months. It's like, Okay, how long does
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: it take to get off them?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Because I know a guy who was on him, and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: it took him a year and a half after he
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: got off of him before he felt normal again. For
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: a year and a half, he was fucked up because
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: he was on him for I think he said he
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: was on him for ten years and then for a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: year and a half he got off of them, and
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: it just took that long before he finally like balanced
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: the ship out, like whatever weaves he had to go
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: through for a year and a half. But he was like,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing, I am not going back on those
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: goddamn pills. So he wrote it out and came out
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: on the other end.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: It's fucked up too, because it's it's hard to compare
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: your experience to other people because everybody's brain chemistry is different. Yeah,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: so you could have two people on the same medication
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: like you were, you know saying earlier, like it's hard
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: to even quantify. Like I even talked to my own
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: sister or like other family members about you know, their
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: depression and their you know, mental health journeys, and it's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: just it's interesting to think, like you could say, like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: it's hard to disprove it, you know what I mean,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: because somebody could be doing well on it. But it's
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: also like it takes two weeks for it to really
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: get into your system, and I had to try like
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: three or four different ones before one really I felt
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: felt like me, you know, like even at my grandmother's funeral,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: like I just felt nothing. I just felt numb, and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: like I didn't notice it until I got into a
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: situation where I was like this woman raised me and
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: I can't feel anything.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: It wasn't until like a heavy moment like that that
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: I was able to kind of have that perspective of
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: like I should be feeling something right now, So I
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: put those down and then uh, It's like two weeks later,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: I was having dinner with somebody and like this song
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: came on that just brought all of it up. There
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: was this melody, this Wayne Shorter melody that just uncorked everything,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: and I was just sobbing at the dinner table.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: You know, what did you feel like before you took them?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And what was wrong with the ones that you didn't
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: stick with?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it was a matter of
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: like maybe the dose witch was too high and it
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: was just kind of creating a block, because like you've
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: got to feel some emotions, right.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: So how did you feel before you were taking them?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: Like what was what was bothering you that you realized
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: that you needed to take something?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of it had to do
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: with just like substance abuse. But I was feeling really
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: anxious and really suicidal and just really really depressed, you know,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: and just this overwhelming sense of dread every day, and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: just also just a lot of helplessness, like just trying
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: to go into different doctors and just like trying to
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: figure out like what the fuck is that. That's kind
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: of finally you know, take this away, but also realizing
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: like I rely on that a little bit, you know,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: for what I do for a living. So there's kind of.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: That you know, rely on the feelings, like the passion, Yeah.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: All that you know for writing and for creating.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: God, that's a fucking conundrum in it.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, being fearful that it's going to take your drive
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: away because you don't have anything to create for no substance, right,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: So it's a it is a strange battle. It's one
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: that I still kind of deal with, but I'm just
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: in a much better spot on the journey.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: So which ones did you try? And what was wrong
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: with the ones that you tried that they just numbed
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: you up?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: This was like six years ago, so like twenty twenty.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the specific medication. I'm
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: sure I have an old bottle of it somewhere in
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: my house, but yeah, I don't know that just.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: What did it do?
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: It just made you just made me feel numb.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: And then when you found one that worked, what did
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: that do differently?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: So the one that I'm on now, I mean, like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: if I go a day without it, like I like
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: the withdrawal symptoms are like fairly severe, just like headaches
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: and just like complete like body tingling sensations and just
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: like it's really scary stuff.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: You know, so I'm gonna have to wean off of
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: it slowly over time, like already did.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if I have a gain would help.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: With that well. I mean, you know, it's like I
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: was saying, like microdos and mushrooms was like the first
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: thing that I actually felt some kind of lasting result.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Like now, like when I get an anxiety attack or something,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: I can recognize it as something that just coming from
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: an outside force, you know, an energy that's not aligning
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: with me, and I can recognize it. I can work
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: through it, where like before or I would just get
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: a little overwhelmed, you know. But I think also just
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: like not drinking and like having to socialize with people
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: and having to have a little exposure therapy to like
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: social interactions and life in general without just masking myself
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: with drugs and alcohol hmmm, has helped a lot too
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: in that growth.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: So when you first started taking it, you there's all
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: the stuff that you're doing in terms of like abusing
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: alcohol and substances and that which definitely causes you to
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: feel like shit, and it definitely causes a lot of
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: people to have like all sorts of angst and anxiety
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: and just fox with you, this stuff alleviated that.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: What am on now?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, you know it has kind of and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid of like, you know, if I get off
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: of it, are those emotions gonna come flooding back in?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: So did it stop those emotions? This is all, by
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: the way, why you were drinking, right, you're nat And
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: how long has it been since you've trak Like.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: A year and a half, Okay, But I mean those
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: those emotions do come back every.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Now and again, even while you're on this stuff. Yeah,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: but it significantly curbed them. But it's like, you know,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: at what price.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: I mean I was talking to my boy Earnest about it,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: because you know, he's kind of a kindred spirit and like,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: you know, just talking about like I'll be working out
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: and like getting after it, feeling good, listening to the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: stones or whatever. And like I noticed, like in my
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: gym at my house, like I guess they used to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: have a punching bag hanging up there, and just like
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: you see something like that and you just take a
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: mental note of like that probably hold my weight. You know,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: it's just like these.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Oh you mean to hang yourself?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like these it's just kind of come. You know,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know where they come from. They just
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: they just pop in and as quick as they come,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: they go.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: And this is before you're taking the medication.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, this is not a month ago. You know.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, did you did you have those thoughts before the medication? Oh? Yeah, okay,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: so they're still there.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: So whatever it's doing, it's doing a little bit.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's got to be helping to a degree.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Do you think it is?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: I think so. But I think it's it's really just
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: about like your will and like your your mental just
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: your ability. Just like we were talking about, like with
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: diets and stuff, you know, like does ozimpic help curb
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: you know, appetites, but you could also just exercise and
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: just have willpower, And I think mental health can be
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: of a similar thing.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: One of the things that people are finding about a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: little zempic is it actually curbs your desire to be
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: in love too. Yeah, he thought, yeah, you don't enjoy anything. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: what I'm.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Hearing about these ssr eyes. It's like like Genna Tale
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: you like paralyzed.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I saw that. Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. Some
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: lady was talking about her. She got off of it
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: and her clitterus is numb, she can't have orgasms anymore.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: That's fucked up. Yeah, they're happens.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: She's like, you know, well, the problem is I don't
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: know if it comes back, so you can't wait for
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: it to happen, and like which medications cause it to happen? Yeah,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: if you do get off of it, have you talked
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: to your doctor, like what is the protocol.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: Well waning off of it?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: My doctor always just says like I don't know. He
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: just every time I talk to my doctor, it's like
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: every few months we check in and he's like, well, yeah,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: how are you feeling, you know, how you doing? Yeah?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well I'm okay. Yeah, just kind of feels
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: like the same kind of want to get off of him.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: And he's like, well, you know, if you want to
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: do that, like you're gonna have to go slowly over time,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: but you know, are things good? And I'm like, yeah,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: things are fine. He said, well, you don't really want
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: to change things if they're good, right, you know that
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, and you worry what I worry about,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen if I you.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Know, what's that going to be? Like getting off of them?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Because the thing about it is like I was talking
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: about this guy that was on him for ten years,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Like that year and a half was fucking rough, where
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: he was experiencing all sorts of problems because his body
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: was just kind of in shock that it beyond it had
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: been on SSRIs for a decade, and then all of
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: a sudden he's off of them. And it's like like
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: the way THEO described it as like the floor was missing,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: like the floor fell out from under him getting off them.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: He got off him for a while and then got
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: back on him. He got off of them about a
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: year ago for a little while and then got back
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: on him. But he wants to get off them. He
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: just doesn't know what to do.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: And I mean, hell, it's like it's it's like a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: it's literally a plot device, you know, like the show
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: of the Ozarks, you know, like the crazy brother, Like
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: he's pouring his medication down the drain yep, and he
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: goes fucking nuts. You know. It's like somebody being off
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: their medication is kind of a pejorative term, right, Yeah,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, yeah, I kind of want to get
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: off mine.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what medication, right, schizophrenic.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's anti psychosis, I guess.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: If you've got psychosis, have do you exercise?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: What do you do?
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Usually do twenty minutes on the peloton and then a
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: different muscle group every day.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's good that anything cardio wise is great for
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: depression supposedly, and even weights. Weights are supposedly really good
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: for anxiet. For some reason, I've noticed.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a real definitive difference when I'm
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: working out versus when I'm when I'm not.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, So, like, do you have a strategy for
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: when you're thinking about doing this or how you're going
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: to try to do this?
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking I'd probably do it when I
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: had some time off, but I'm working the rest of
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: the year. But honestly, man, being on the road is
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: kind of my my constant, So I think it's something
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: that I could probably accomplish while I'm on the road,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: but I'd hate to have like a breakdown.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck that you're in Nashville about to do a show. Yeah,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: I got to cancel the show.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So it's it's hard to determine. You know.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: It scares me, man, because and again it scares me
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: because doctor's incentivized to keep you on them and promote
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: them and get you to do them. Also, and they've
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: been prescribing them for people they don't want to ever
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: think that they're doing something bad.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: There's a justification process in there somewhere.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: One hundred justification process, financial incentives. There's there's a lot
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: going on there. And then there's also this this position
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: that they're in of expertise, where they're explaining to you
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: what you should and shouldn't do and how it works.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: And when you're like, this is fucking up my whole
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: life and I can't get off from they're like.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's just slow down like this and everything doing well.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: Just keep keep on the same path, Marcus. Everything's fine, Marcus. Bye, click,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: got a new patient calling. Oh high Jenner, do you Yeah, It's.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: It's very weird, man, It's very weird that our society
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: is so hyper medicated.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And injectables are the wave of the future,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: even like like my boy Chevy that works for me.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: He's he used to work in pharmaceutical sales, and he's like,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: everything is injectables now because that's what's hot because of
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: like the so like every medication is like pedaling injectables
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: because like the wave of like peptides and ozentic and
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Now it's like it's trendy,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: which is interesting to me because I grew up with
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: my dad having type two diabetes and and my grandfather too,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just seeing them inject like insulin
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: and stuff, I was like, yuck.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the type two diabetes. The thing about that one
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: is you can cure that. Yep, you just gotta stop
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: eating like a pig, which is crazy. I know a
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that have stopped themselves from having type
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: two diabetes.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: And that, and that's that's a goal that I'm on,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: is preventing myself from ever dealing with that. I don't
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: I don't eat sugar or anything. Oh that's awesome, Yeah,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: I gave up sugar.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Well again, the ketogenic diet is supposed to be good
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: for depression too. Do you take supplements? You're taking magnesium
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: and multi vitamins. That shows Oh yeah, that's good. That
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: seems like you're doing a lot of the right things.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm you know, I just.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be a prisoner to pills.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I love my wife and I'm just excited
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: to have some babies and just I want to get myself.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Like her career is taken off and my career is
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: going really well.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: And like does she take SSRIs.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: No, that's she's very anti like any pharmaceuticals, which I
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: really admire about her.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: I was just reading something about SSRIs and the development
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: of children, children's brains when women are pregnant and they're
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: own SSRIs, and apparently there's a bunch of issues. Yeah,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: I can see that. I mean, look, man, there's millions
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: of people on those things. There's a giant business, and
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: they want to hide all the side effects and hide
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: all the negative aspects of it and hide the impact
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: that it does just to the overall psyche of the nation.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: When you've got Okay, let's just take a guess how
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: many people you think in this country on SSRIs with
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: liberal women. It's like eighty percent, but it is the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: other twenty percent need them. Well, Like, what's the percentage
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: of people on SSRIs in America. Let's guess, man, thirty,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: say I.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Would go even higher. I'd say, like sixty to seventy five.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, sixty seventy five percent of the country. Yeah, wow.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's that. I think it's under thirty.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: It's too many, it's too many.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: It's definitely too many. But there's also a bunch of
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: people that are looking for a quick fix when there's
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: a bunch of factors to why you don't feel happy.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Like we were talking about before, there's lifestyle, life choices,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: situation that is beyond your control, like where you're born,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: where you live, the job that you have, work, where
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: you know. If you're in a place of limited opportunity
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: and you got a bunch of shitty people around you
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: and life sucks every day, it's hard to be happy.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: It's hard to not feel depressed. So then there's the
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: question of like, how does one develop the tools to
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: get out of that situation and get somewhere else. And
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people, it's something that helps them
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: break out, whether it's starting a business or being a
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: musician or an artist, or something that gets you out
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: of there and then you start getting around more positive people,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: and then you make more positive lifestyle choices. But you
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: just can't expect to be happy if your life is shit, right,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: thirteen percent? Okay, American SSRI prescribing. But I bet in
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: your business that's why you think of it, because when artists,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: I bet it's a lot higher. Thirteen percent of US
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: adults report taking an antidepressant in any given thirty day period.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: SSRI is the most frequently used class within that group. Yeah, okay,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: so thirteen percent. So that's twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: Though I asked for an update for twenty twenty, it said.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: It's about the same for twenty twenty six.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I say, I asked, is there any updates
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, and it basically said the same.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: So about thirteen percent still a lot. One out of
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: ten people on crazy pills is a lot.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In the arts community though, Yeah, But in the
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: artist community, the last data that I remember reading was
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: like seventy percent of like artists struggle with some faction
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: of mental health.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: But that makes sense, yeah, And then there's also the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: newest element that targets your mental health and goes after it.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Which is social media. Yeah that's a rough one. Boy,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: that's a rough one. And so many people treat that
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: as if it's no big deal, Like you just shooting
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: heroin into your eyeballs every day with that stuff. Yeah, man,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: not good. So many people are in there, yeah, all day,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: every day and then reading a bunch of negative shit
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: about them and getting angry and upset and then yeah,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: carrying that weight around with them all day.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: It's easy to say, like, don't read comments, but it's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: easier said than done.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Yeah, especially if you have it on
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: your phone. That's the thing, Like you got to not
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: have it on your phone. If you have it on
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: your phone, you're going to go to it. But then
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: the problem is if you use it for touring and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: for posting information keeping your fans engaged.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well the algorithm also serves you, like you got
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: to engage that. Like, anytime you talk to a social
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: media group, they're like, what are your engagement levels? Like, like,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: so they want you on the app, using it and commenting,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: responding to people, because if you don't and you choose
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: not to do that, and they're like, well, can we
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: go on there for you? And like respond to comments
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I'm like, nah, I don't want you
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: punching in any bullshit. So I'm like, I want to
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: be on there and be myself and like, if this
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: is a tool that I have to have, I want
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: it to be me, like authentically. But you know it's
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: a nest there are evil Yeah, but.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: It it ruins so many people's brains. Yeah, it really does.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: And it's also you're absorbing so much negativity just from
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the world. Like on any given day,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: if I open up Twitter and I just start reading
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: what people are upset about, it's just like, oh my god,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: the whole world is falling apart. Everyone's mad at everything
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: and everyone and every little whatever fucking social issue, political issue,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: world issue, economic issue. Everyone's blaming everyone and everyone's pissed.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: And then there's so many grifters and psychopaths that are
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: just on there all day using it, stirring up bullshit,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: and fuck man, I.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Know it's yeah, you think I can use bathroom and.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: We're gonna beee folks, we'll be right back, and we're back,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Where were we? Depression? Everything sucks? Stay
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: off social media. Let's talk about music.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about some music.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: Damn, that's how does it take so long?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: You see that James Brown interview from when he's got
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: those big glasses? Oh yeah, I'll talk about some music.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: That fucking interview is amazing.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: It's the best.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: When he had just got arrested and out on love.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah the aren't you out on Bill?
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: I'm out on love? Yeah? And he starts talking to
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: the women and the thing he's like, why is that ladies?
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it's hilarious. Clearly high as fuck.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something going on.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: James Brown was an original. When you first started doing music,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: how old were you.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Man, I was probably like two or three years old when.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: I feel that's crazy.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: My grandfather played, my uncle's my dad still plays.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: You know wow. So were they professional or they just
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: did it for fun?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: My grandfather, so he was a career serviceman. He was
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: in the Air Force and he was a staff master
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: sergeant and he played hockey talks on the weekend. He
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: was in charge of booking all the NCO clubs on
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: the base. So he would book like Charlie Pride or
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Johnny Cash, Barbara Mandrel and his band would open up
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: and then back them up. Oh wow, So he was
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: a country and Western purist.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: Did you get a going to any of those shows
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: when you were young?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: No, Well, so this was back in the sixties. My
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: dad's seventy three, I think now he was born in
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: fifty three, and I was born when my dad was
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: like forty three.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: So by the time I came along, everybody was you know,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of my family traded in, like I think,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: they associated music with a lot of the secular lifestyle.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: So they kind of when they all got born again
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: and into the church, that's around the time I came around,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: you know, so the music was really associated with church,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: but I was really interested in that other stuff.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? I wonder why there's a division.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I think about it a lot. I think
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: that's the closest you can get to divinity, you know,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: is music really allowing yourself to get that close to
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: something and the conviction that you feel in a church,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a good common thing for everybody to
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: get on the same level. And yeah, that's.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: Part of the church experience, that everybody having it together,
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: experiencing it together as a group, being together live in
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: a room with a great musician on stage. When everyone's
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: enjoying it together, it's very much a transcendent experience. Is
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: drinking the kool aid man, Yeah, it's like there's a
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: beautiful moment you're all experiencing it together, and you're all
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: clapping and cheering while you're all dancing and singing along.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful moment.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: Music is like a drug, man, it really is. It's
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: like a beautiful drug. Like the right song when you're
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: on the treadmill and you're like, fuck, yeah, you could
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: just keep going, you.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: Know, tear a door off the hinges. Yeah, if I
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: hear like little Feet skin it back.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. There's certain songs that just give you fucking energy, man, Like.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Bitch by the Rolling Stones. Oh yeah, that song If
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: I need to pick me up in the morning, that
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: song comes.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: On a great weightlifting one. It's prison Sex by Tool.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh you know that song.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: Tools a band that I never really delved into, but no,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: Danny Carry and I know them because of my buddy
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Brent Hines. Did you ever listen to mast it on? No, man,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: I gotta send you some some choice cuts. But Brent
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: was he was the fucking man. He just died back
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: in September. I took him on the road right before that,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: which was, oh really, which was messy. Oh really, Brent,
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: he amassed it on, kind of had a mutual agreement
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: that he would leave the band. So he was doing
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: his solo thing and like he's one of my heroes,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: you know, And I was like, I'll take you out, sure,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: and like he just threw it together somehow, and then
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: I ended up having to kick him off the tour,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: which like broke my heart, but he kind of forced
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: my hand. The night in question, like I walked outside
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: and he had this little tour manager named Angela, and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: she was crying and my my tour manager was holding
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: her and she was crying. I was like, fucking a,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: what happened now? She said, I walk into the dressing
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: room and Brent pe on the floor and I said, no, no,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: you have to stop. So then he pee in his mouth,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, and like, I know, you just have to
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: picture my boy just like pissing, and she's like you
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: have to stop, and then he's like, oh his own mouth.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: And like at his funeral, I told I told, uh,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: Matt Pike from the sleep. I told him that story
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, like and normal. He's like,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: it's a party trick.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: That's a Wednesday move.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, no, it's hilarious. But it
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: really offended her and she got very upset and the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: whole thing just fell apart.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: And you know that that was the last straw that
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: was listening in his own mouth.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: That was what didn't.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: Really but you know, get him some paper towels, fix this.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: I was ready to fix it. But like his whole
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: banding crew, they were like, it's not working.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: So what was he doing?
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: He was just just partying a little too much, you know.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: And I mean I really I love that dude, like brother,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I miss him, miss him a lot.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes a really wild, crazy, off the rails
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: person to make music or make any kind of art
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: that just moves you, drives you crazy.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was a true artist, you know,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: like he was insane. Yeah. You got to have friends
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: that your wife doesn't particularly love you hanging out with, right,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: there's something about that friend.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of my friends. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: but those are the ones that make the magic. Yeah,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: there's something to it and again that it is a
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: magic thing that you know, and this is coming from
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: someone with no music. I have no talent, and so
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: for me, like watching it and experiencing it is a
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: pure experience because I'm not like, oh, I don't like
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: how he played that cold, I don't like how I
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about music. I just know I love it.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Rick Rubin, you know, he's held onto that
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: he wants to be, you know, and I think he
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: has been like the you know, the voice of like
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: the consumer. He hears what the consumer wants to hear,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: and well.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: He knows what he likes. And he's got a very
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: interesting mind. You know, He's a very interesting person to
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: talk to. His perspective on things is very unique. I
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: like him a lot. I really like him a lot.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: I like talking to him a lot. Just he sends
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: you the wildest text messages, some fucking conspiracies that are
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: often sometimes I have to say, hey, that's not real.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: But every now and then I'll send you some ones
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: that make you question reality.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: I like the thought of you talking Rick off of
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: a ledge.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily talking off the lads, just letting him know
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: that some of the you know, it's it's hard to
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: know what's real and it's not real out there in
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: the world if you're not like deep into the bowels
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: of conspiracy theory movement. Yeah, you know, right, But again,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: a guy like Rick, like his sensibility, like he he
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: has a it's like a very valuable position person just
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: with a unique mind that is just helping shape how
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: music gets produced and created. And because like whatever, whatever
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: it takes, whatever I mean, it's not a science like
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: a math thing or a it's not carpentry, like you
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: have to level this and square that. Like, no, man,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: there's like some weirdness and there's love in there and
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: hate in there, and there's there's there's a lot of
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: stuff that is intangible. It's hard to describe like why
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: this is better and why this is good. But when
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: you hear it, you know, when you know, you know,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: you know, there's some riffs, you know, there's some riffs
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: that just like, oh my god, like the beginning of
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: Voojoo Child's Slight Return. Come on, yeah, come on, just
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: the beginning. You hear it, you go, oh yeah, yeah, dude, yeah.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: I mean Dan Auerback's another one who's just oh yeah,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: I love perfected yeah, Josh Homie. Yeah, oh yeah, you know.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: Rick's a funny one man. I love his philosophy on
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: music too. He just he looks at it the same
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: way that Colonel Bruce Hampton looked at it. Colonel Bruce
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: Hampton and Rick both believed that music is like pro wrestling.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: You know, is Colonel Bruce Hampton the colonel from Elvis.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: It's different.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: Different Colonel's Colonel Bruce Hampton.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: Colonel Bruce Hampton. He was kind of like so Billy
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: Bob Thornton put him in a movie in sling Blade.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: He was I can't remember his name in the film,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah, Colonel Bruce Hampton. There. He died on stage
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: at the Fox Theater.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: Wow in Detroit.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: No in Atlanta, Oh okay. His story is he was
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: born with two birth certificates. He was just a wild man.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Was He was all about like instead of instruction, he
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: called it outstruction. And like Billy Bob worked on a
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: documentary about him in like two thousand and three, and
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: he was just like his whole philosophy on music and
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: just like why we do it and just pointing out
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: the hilarity of like the business and like the coffee getters,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: as he referred to them. You know, we have a
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: whole industry built around coffee getters. Now, you know all
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: the people that got the suits, their lattes and stuff
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: in the morning, Now they're calling the shots. And that's
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: a that's a weird place to be. But the Colonel
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: Bruce Hampton, I, you know, I just what I do
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: now is I just buy copies of his documentary basically Frightened,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: and I just give it to people who aren't hip
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: to the knowledge. So I'll send a copy down here.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Frightened.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: It's called basically Frightened, basically Colonel Bruce Hampton story.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Is it available anywhere? Like? Is it on Apple or Amazon?
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: Or it's not streaming anywhere?
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: No?
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: So I just I just collect the DVDs when I
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: can find them.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, is it a can you buy a DVD anywhere? Like?
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: If people are listening to this and they want to
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: get ahold of.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: It, like eBay, that's the only way, that's that's the
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: only place I've found them. Really, Yeah, and you'll be
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: bidding against me.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: I can buying copies of it.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I give one away, I buy another coffee.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, there's a found a threat on Reddit, people
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: looking for it and someone's like, just mail me the
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: DVD and I'll copy it for you. Like I can't
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: find it anywhere.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, it would be cool if it were to be
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: streamed somewhere. It's fascinating story.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: Why is the dollars on Amazon? But I don't know that. Whoa,
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be even.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Real, right, they might just send you a fucking brick.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: But he was somebody like, you know, widespread panic that
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: was like their guru, you know, Colonel Bruce Hampton, Jimmy Herring,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: you know Otil Burbridge, who I'm in a band with now,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: you know, he started with Bruce. Really, I've never heard
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: of him before. You know, it's just he's one of
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: those guys that, you know, he was like to the Southeast.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: He was like our Frank Zappa.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: You know, our son raw Oh wow.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: He was just all about just the outrageousness. And you know,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends who spend a lot
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: more time with him than I did. But like, he
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: was one of the first people that took notice to
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: what I was doing when I was like fifteen, you know,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: and then I remember like being in Germany and finding
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: out that he'd passed away on stage, which he predicted did.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, he said, that's how he was going to go.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: Well, if you you keep performing long enough, Carlon died
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: in a hotel room on the road.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: Really yeah.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to download this for you real quick.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: It's unlisted on YouTube. I'll be there tomorrow.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: Though, after this episode is released. Yeah, can you download it?
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: I can try it.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll figure it out though, Okay, Jamie to
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: the rescue. Sorry, folks, if you're getting this still I
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: found Yeah, baby, somebody can upload it on one of
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: the other social media platforms. That's cool. I'm interested in
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: checking it out. But I'd love music for inspiration, you know,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's one of the unique art forms that it
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: inspires you to create, inspires you to go do things.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: You know, whenever I see a live band or a
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: live performer, I can't wait to go do something. I'm
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: gonna go, right, I want to go perform. Want to
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: Paul Mooney, who's a great comedian. Do you know Paul
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: Mooney is yeh. He used to write for Richard Pryor.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: He was one of the real OG's back in the
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: early days when I came to the comedy store, I
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: was kind of blown up. He was one of the
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: guys I was always nervous around being around until he
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: liked me. So you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: Paul Mooney hates you. Your fucked. But he gave me
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: that advice once early on he said, if you want
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: to entertain people, he said, go be entertained. He goes,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: you want to entertain Honey, go be entertained, Homie, Go
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: see some other shit. He goes, Go see something that
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: gets you. Go see a great movie, Go see a band,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: go see something. Be entertained.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what my process is like in the studio, man,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: Like this last record, we did like we had a
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: projector and we'd play like, you know, a giant with
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: James Deanner. We played like h easy writer, big Lebowski,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: or like films that like inspired us, films that we
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: like really gravitated towards and I all the while, you know,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: waking up in the morning and reading East of Eden
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: and just like some of these great architects of Americana
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: and just like being inspired on every turn, watching live
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: concert footage of bands that we Love, Marshall, Tucker Man, Skinnered,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: whatever the case. Just inundating yourself with inspiring stuff, you know.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Just something to get the juices flowing. Yeah, to summon
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: the muse, something.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: To Sometimes we would play just the footage of like
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: a Midnight Cowboy or something, and we would we would record,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: you know, in the mindset like we were trying to
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: score this film.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: You know, oh wow, just to kind of.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: Get a different approach.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: I forgot about Midnight Cowboy. What a wild movie.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: It's a good one.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was back when Times Square was dirty. Yeah,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: now Times Squares is one big Applebee's.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: That's when people would go and watch pornography together in
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: a theater.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: In a theater. Yeah, not only that, but it was
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: a thing in the early days of pornography where couples
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: would go out and like Johnny Carson went to see
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: Deep Throat. Yeah, there's like famous people went to see
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: the film Deep Throat in the theater.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: Yep, what was adult entertainment about?
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: How weird is that that pornography? Like there was always
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: stag films, right, Like that was the thing that they
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: used to make. Like in the early days of movies,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: they would film people having sex and you could watch
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: it like at a stag party, which was like a
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: bachelor party. But then people tried to make films, like
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: artistic films that had people having sex in them, which
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: is really interesting that we find that a boring, Like
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: people don't like that in today's society. We don't mind
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: like this this show from that I was telling you about, bro,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: the violence is horrific. The gore and the violence is crazy.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: That's okay. Just don't suck someone's dick, don't make them come,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: that's terrible. Do you remember the movie Bad Bunny, No,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: not Bad Bunny. Was that Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny? Do
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: you remember the movie Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny was a
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: Vincent Gallow movie that he made, and there was a
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: real sex scene in there, Like we're really like, how
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: do you say that lady's name, Chloe? I don't know
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: how you say her name. She's a really good actress
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: and she blows him like for real in the movie.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: Like it's a real scene and the movie is a
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: real movie. But then when it came to the sex part,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: they actually did it and people were horrified. Yeah, I
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: mean that's so weird, Like if it was violence, like
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: it was a scene where she beat him to death
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: with a baseball bat. People would be like, wow, what
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: a crazy movie. But it was where she blows them.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: People like, this is outrageous, And I think that movie
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: ruined Vincent Gallo's career really, Yeah, because Vincent Galo had
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: been in a bunch of movies. It's a really weird guy,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: like a very interesting guy. And after that he kind
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: of dipped away from Hollywood, like he kind of vanished
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. And that was the big thing.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: I remember reading these articles on how outraged people were
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: that they had actually seen real sex in a movie,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: Like it's so strange that we don't mind violence. Like
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: once upon a time in Hollywood, Brad Pitt takes a
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: lady's head and bashes it into a mantlepiece and fucking
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: brains her. Fine, no, no outrage, no everyone everyone okay,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: everyone's okay. But if he fucked her, like actually pulled
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: her pants down. You see Brad Pitt's penis and her vagina,
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: You're like, this is crazy something that we all do.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the simulation of it is fine too.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: Right, simulation of its fine. Yeah, Like it was a
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: sex scene and you just see his hips in her face,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: like go and they're kissing. Fine, just don't see actual sex.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Even if it was like him and his wife, Like
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: if he made a movie with him and his wife
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: and they decided to have actual sex in the movie,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: people would be like, that's disgusting, Get this fucking smart
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: off the screen. But if they had a movie with
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: him and his wife and she shoots him, you're like, Okay,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: that's fine, didn't really happen.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: Weird, right, it is weird. I mean, hell, I did
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: a commercial for like I did a shoot for this car,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: and like they couldn't have me in the car while
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: it was moving for insurance purposes, so they had to
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: like make it seem like I was in the car
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: while it was moving.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: Insurance purposes. That's crazy, but that's more of a financial thing, yeah,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: or but the weirdness about sex, the point is like,
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: see if you can find that forge of all the
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: people that were in line, there's like an old there's
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: a YouTube video of an old news report of people
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: in line to see Deep Throat, right, and again, Johnny
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: Carson was one of them, and I think they even
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: interviewed him after the film, like they went and watched
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: people fuck and like it was a movie like you know,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: you're watching The Joker or something right, very odd.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: It is odd. And they got that name deep Throat
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: from the Watergate, did they? Yeah?
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: I thought deep Throat was afterwards. I thought I thought
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: the Watergate thing was after I don't.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: Know, I could be wrong. Chicken or the Egg.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Watergate was what seventy seventy four was it? Oh? Yeah,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: so the movie came out first, and so that was
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: after thisir So that's interesting too when you think about,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: like seventy two was not that long ago, and people's
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: ideas of pornography were very different back then.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of my favorite venues in the country were
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: porno theaters.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: First Comedy Mothership bro all right, yeah, it was a
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: porno theater at one point in time, and.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: Like people cared about like the quality of like the
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: audio production in those films and like you know, and
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: these rooms sound really good with variety playoffs in Atlanta.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best scenes in American Werewolf in London. Okay,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: do you remember that movie? American Wereolf in London. It's
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: a great fucking movie. One of the best scenes they're
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: in the middle of London and they're in an adult
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: movie theater and these people are watching pornography, they're watching
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: a smut film, and while these people are fucking, he
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: turns into werewolf and kills everybody.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I gotta check that out. Oh it's great.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: One of the greatest movies of all time. That wolf
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: that we have in the lobby. That's a recreation. Oh
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: really of the American Werewolf. Okay, that's what that is.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: The thing with Johnny Carson and Deep Threat, I think
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: is like a conglomeration memory is it? There's a there's
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: a weird There is a photo of people waiting in
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: line to see the movie, but it's like this is
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: it on the screen?
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: But there was a video of Johnny Carson talking about
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 3: it after the fact, during his monologue that he went
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: to see it.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: Oh so there wasn't a photo or a video of
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: him at the movie theater.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, Man, I'm looking for because I
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: sort of remember what you're talking about. I think remember
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: we might have read an article that listed all of
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: this stuff.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that play where they had like everybody
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: was like naked and it was like really a big deal.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: Was it like hairspray or something like that.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: In the late seventies, my dad told me him and
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: his friends went to go see this like Broadway production
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: or off Broadway production, where like everybody was like nude,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: and it was like this really, you know, it was
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: like this real the thing. Yeah, And there was a
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: preacher up front, just like really, just give it him,
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: hell man. And then he got up closer and he
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: realized it was his uncle, My great uncle was up there,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: just motherfucker him.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Widely cited overview, many works are quote it.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: Note that several main steam celebrities appear to have seen
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: Deep Throat, including Martin Scorsese, Brian de Palm, Truman Capoti,
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson, Johnny Carson, Spiro, Agnew, Frank Sinatra, and others.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: Barbara Walters later mentioned seeing it in her memoir. These
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: references are usually brief, but they're pulled into many articles
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: about the film's cultural impact. But that's what's so interesting,
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: is like that is not normal in today's society to
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: even think that a bunch of people would say they
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: went to go see a porn film.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: I think this is also some midnight Cowboy, which is
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: where you guys started this nineteen sixty nine, which is
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: before this and won Best Picture as the Yeah, the
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: first act rated ex or NC seventeen movies, so they
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: started a little bit of a trend.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: Then interesting only three years later, you know why was
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: Midnight Cowboy X rated?
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: The reason?
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Like what was? What was so explicit that they
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: had to make it an X.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: I would say a little bit has to do with marketing,
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if there's a reason a reason marketing, Yeah,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: i'd make people want to go see it, right.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: I guess crazy? This movie is crazy.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: Standing out here right here. After consulting with a psychologist,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: they told to give it a next homosexual frame reference
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: and it's possible influence on youngsters.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy today that would be celebrated.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: Right. There's a rape scene.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: Either I saw it in like the eighties, I haven't
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: seen it in forever.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but even I mean, like in that film, it's
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: like a it's like a distant thought that John Voyd's
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: character keeps going back to, like the rape scene, whereas
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: like what the last time you saw it a couple
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: of months ago? Bro?
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: Oh really?
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: But like fucking uh, the Deliverance just plays on AMC
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: on TV.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: Right, right, which is another rape scene.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: Nothing's edited out.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: Sweet like a pig.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: That one fucked me up when I was a kid.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very much.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: So it like supposedly took place like in the Appalachian
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: like backdrop, which is like where I grew up, and
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's fucking happening like here.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: Because of them shocking sexual content. Even more importantly, it's
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: frank portrayal of homosexuality and hustling, hustling meaning having gay
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: sex for money, which the studio and censor saw as
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: potentially corrupting to young viewers. The film includes scenes and
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: references to male prostitution, homo sexual encounters, and brief but
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: explicit situations including implied oral sex and nudity, which went
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: far beyond what Hollywood had shown in a mainstream drama
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: up to that point.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe now it would have been just an RM, but yeah,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: that would be with this never existing.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: Now it would be celebrated. It's a film celebrating sex workers. Yeah,
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: it's weird. It's weird what was, But it's also weird
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: that there was a movie that was an actual porn
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: movie that a bunch of people just went to see
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: and talked about. Like today people want to pretend they
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: don't even watch porn. Meanwhile, I think last check, we
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: did well. No, we've done this before, Jamie, Like, what
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: percentage of the Internet is pornography? Internet traffic? Take a
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: guess of that. I bet it's way more than SSRIs, right,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: don't you think?
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I haven't. I haven't guessed right so far. So
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: let's say, Oh, I don't think it's that high.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: I would think I would say thirty I'd say thirty
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: percent of the Internet, But I could be wrong. I
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: don't remember thirty percent of the Internet traffic is pornography.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: Let's say that maybe it's forty myth. It's a myth.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: Read through this, that's a bunch of people lying about
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: jergging off.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: With thirty a myth apparently.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, porn makes up a small share of sights. Yeah,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: yea yeah, but traffic forty percent, Wiley stated, But what
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: is the what about traffic the amount of Internet searches? Yeah,
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: but no, but I mean traffic like the amount of bandwidth.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: Then it's getting lost in this work. I use I
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: used no, I use traffic.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah you did. Why do we see higher numbers? See
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: thirty seven thirty seven percent of the Internet is porn.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: BBC reported tracing one of these popular figures back to
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: single content filter company press release, not an independent audited measurement.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: Some advocacy I bet now today because of YouTube and
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: the amount of streaming that goes on with like Instagram
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: and TikTok, I bet it probably isn't as high as
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: it used to be the percentage wise, because there's so
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: much more content that's being streamed now than ever before.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: Porn related searches are thirteen percent on the web and
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: twenty percent on mobile devices. That's funny, it's more on
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: mobile devices because people can hide in the toilet. The
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: content filter company, okay, I claim comes from this, Yeah
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: we read that. Weird to read that?
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I so it could be just made up to
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: begin with.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be, But there's got to be like
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: a number of like the Internet traffic. How you'd get
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: that number. So some advocacy or Internet safety groups cite
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: very high traffic shares and storage figures, example, nearly a
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: third of all Internet traffic. But these are rough, sometimes
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: opaque estimates, rather than peer reviewed measurements. Okay, so it's
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: at least four percent, So it says roughly websites four
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: to twelve percent. That's a lot. Just four to twelve
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: percent of the whole internet is jerk off websites. That's crazy.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: But the volume in terms of the amount of bandwidth used.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: But I bet if you went and watched Deep Throat today,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: it'd probably be pretty pedestrian.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably would seem just like softcore.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, like one of them Showtime late night movies.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is something that I you know,
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: I like to save all that, you know, when I
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: get home off the road, save my wife.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if there's some time that had average.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: Point the woman had an unusual birth defect that came
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: from a doctor who has an unorthodox solution to make
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: the best of her situation.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: Is that it is that a deep throat?
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that she could just take it balls deep
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: downward their chin. That guy, Harry Reims, he was like
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: one of the first famous male porn stars, and I
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: think he went on to be a real estate salesman
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: or something like. If you're one of those people that
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: gets famous, fucking all right, that's that has got to
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: be a very.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: Weird Is that where the porn mustache comes from?
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, he had a crazy stash nineteen
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: forty seven. Wow, what's he up to these days? Did he? When?
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: Did he pass away?
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: Didn't live that long? All that fucking wasted all his jiz.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: I bet he shaved off his mustache and he was
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: just anonymous. He just drifted and out of traffic. Nobody
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: even noticed him. You know, right, weird life having sex
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: with people on camera? Should we add that to the
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: Oh look at that? When would he get arrested.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: To if he added to the indecent something?
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should add that.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Well, Memphis, you gotta be up to some no good
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: to get arrested in Memphis.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: What did he get arrested for? Too much?
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 3: Dick says his appearance and deep throat led to his
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 3: arrest arrest by FBI agents in Memphis. His conspiracy to
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: distribute obscenity across state lines.
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: He called it him forum shopping, but I don't what
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: does that mean. Forum real term for the practice of
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: litigans taking actions to have their legal case heard in
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: the court. They believe his most to give him.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: A good judgment.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 3: They're trying to find they're trying to get him convicted.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 3: I guess trying to make an example of them. So
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: they found a court that.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: Would take the case, like for obscenity.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Court Millervers California, Reams's granted a new trial. Chargers
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 3: were dropped in August.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: Wow, So they just defense.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: Argus the first actor ever be prosecuted by the federal
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: government for peering in a film.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: It's like the Lennie Bruce is slinging Dick.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: And then all these people got behind Shirley McLain, Warren Batty,
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: Richard Dreyfus, they all got behind him. Jack Nicholson, Ben Gazara, Wow,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: Dick Caviott.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 3: He was in Greece as the coach.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: Wow. He was in the movie Grease the musical What
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: Out of fear as notoriety would rip jeopardize the film's
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: blocking was replaced.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was cast and he was replaced by Sid Caesar.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Wow. After an eight year In nineteen eighty two,
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: after an eight year hiatus from porn, Reems returned to
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: the industry and performed in the film Society Affairs and
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: reportedly received a six figure salary.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: How weird back then?
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: Weird? It is. The whole pornogary thing is very strange
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: because like, people want to watch other people have sex
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: because people like having sex.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: But it's like, but you can't talk about it.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: But you know, if you say you like it, people like,
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with you? And then they watch it.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: But if we could destigmatize it and like not give
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: people unrealistic ideas of what happens in the in the
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: bedroom and and noted as something that is entertainment, you know,
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's entertainment.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: The fear is that the women that are in it,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: they for the rest of their life they're always going
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: to be thought of a certain way. And the men
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: skate they don't really have a like this. They're thought
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: a CD, but they don't thought as like you know,
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: girls that got used, well, I think what's gonna get
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: weird is ai porn because then you can watch porn
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: and there's no victims, right, there's no person you feel
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: bad for, like, oh, that poor girl, everyone's gonna know
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: that she sucked dick on camera, she took it in
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: the ass on camera. It was not a real person.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: So then maybe you can watch that and.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: Remove any kind of victim.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. People are fucking weird.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: People are.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing I've never tried, and I'm
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: not going to. I don't want it. Nope, not gonna
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: do it is VR porn because Duncan told me, dude,
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: have you ever seen VR porn? It's fucking amazing. Like,
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna sit there
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: with fucking goggles on. Jack it off.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: Joe hasn't left his house in about six months.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: I mean you imagine you're watching port and the people
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: who are fucking twenty feet high in front of you there,
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: they're bagging. And if you can move around in it,
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: like you can move around another VR, you can get
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: like really close to watch the dip go in there.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: That's one thing I haven't tried either.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: VR porn, good for you, stay away. VR in general
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: is weird. You know what's really great though, is VR games. Oh,
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: have you ever done any VR games? You know what
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: sandbox is? You ever heard his sandbox? Sandbox? They have
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: one in Austin. They had one in Wooden Woodland Hills, right,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: down the street from our old studio in la and
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: it is a place where you go it's like the
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: biggest warehouse and you go to these rooms in the
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: warehouse and they have fans set up and it's all
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: like these these walls, like it's all boundaries. They put
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: a haptic feedback vest on you and goggles and they
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: give you rifles and the plastic rifles, and then you
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: get dropped into this virtual reality where where you fight zombies.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, it's fucking dope, dude, it's nuts. When the
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: zombies attack you, they run at you, they claw you,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: you see blood splatter in front of your eyes, and
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: you gun them down. It's fucking crazy. There's a there's
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: one called Deadwood Mansion that's my favorite, and the Deadwood Man.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of different Deadwood games. I think there's
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: two or three now I think there's three. I think
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: there's three. There's three zombie games that you could plays,
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: three different ones. Nuts here here they have one in Austin. Yeah,
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: it's out at the domain. Yeah, it's out of the domain.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: It's fucking so so fun. My family hates it because
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: they get like sick, and I want it. That's all
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: I ever want to do, so on Father's Day and make
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: everybody shoot zombies with me. Like, it's Father's Day, what
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: do you want to do? Shoot zombies? Like no, I'm like,
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: come on, we have to do it. Yeah, it's fun,
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: so you do it. It's fun. Father's coming in Joe Tournament. Okay.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: At one point in time, I had the number three
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: score in the country killing zombies. Yeah. I went ham
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: one day. One day, I was just locked the fuck
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: in and the key is. I'm gonna give you guys
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: a pro tip if you're doing Deadwood Mansion, get the shotgun.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: This shotgun is overpowered. The shotgun kills more things than
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: anything else. It's way better at it. But the game
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: is nuts, man. I mean there's there's zombie rats that
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: come running at you. There's fucking people that are attached
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: to the walls and they shoot down their tongue and
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: wrap it around your neck and they're pulling on you.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: Show show them a clip of it. It's crazy. It
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: is a it is. It's really fun, dude. You'll you'll
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, that's what you could do. You could
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: do it like six people.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: You're going thetivities.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good one. I bet they have multiple. I
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: only know of these two of Austin and la is
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: one of Atlanta. Yeah, they have to have them all
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: over the place. I don't know. I have no idea
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: why it's not everywhere. Because it's so fun. It's one
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: of the most fun things you could do with your friends.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: We've done it. My wife and I have done it
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: on double dates. Like you go do that and then
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: you go have dinner. It's like, it's great, man, it's great.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: It's really fun.
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  Speaker 3: They got a ton of locations.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: Now, oh ship, they're all over the place. Now, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's great. See if you can find a video of
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: Deadwood Mansion. Oh, Deadwood Phobia. Oh that's the newest one.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: That's the third one. Oh there's a Squid Games one.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: We've done that one too, The Stranger Things one. They
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 2: have so many different Deadwood Valley. That's another one that's
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: really good, the Deadwood Valley one. They have a Yeah,
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: there we go. So check this out. So this is
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: what happens. You get dropped off into this city and
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: the zombies are there, and so this is this is you.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: It's like it's cut between you with the guns and
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: then like this is what you see. This is what
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: it looks like. So but this is more like a
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: video like showing you what it looks like on the outside,
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: but when you're in it, wish they would show you
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: what it looks like. That's what it looks like when
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: you're in it and these dudes are chasing after and
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: you're gunning them down. It's really fun. But again, there's
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: a bunch of games that you can do that survive bars,
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: you got to save the heroes. There's people in there
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: that you have to save, and there's other people that
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: you have to kill. It's dope. It's really fun.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: It's badass.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: So that's a good use of VR. Don't be looking
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: at ten foot vaginas. Go kill fake zombies. You get
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: stuck on a train and as a train's running down
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: the tracks, they're jumping onto the train and trying to
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: get you. You have to gun them down. It's really fun.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: That seems like something like I could get into. I
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: never played any video games growing up.
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 2: Really, that's crazy. How old are you thirty? How's that possible?
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just I never had any much interest
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: in them, like when I was young.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know, do your friends play video games.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, by the rest of the band, they all play, you.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: Know, and you just say no, not interested.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: I was just never really into it.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: Man, Well, this is different than a regular video game,
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 2: Like this is very physical, Like you're running around, You're
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: in a room that's bigger than this room, and you
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: have your haptic feedback. You also have fans that blow
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: air at you. You know. Let's see, like if it's
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: also cool, you off too, because it gets hot as
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: fuck and you're running around. You have this best on
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: and when you get grabbed, the best vibrates, so I
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: feel it like that's sick. Oh yeah, it's really fun.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: But it's probably good that you never got into video
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: games because they're so time intensive. They rob you of
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: your life. You think golf robs you of your life.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: You don't have to leave the house to play video games.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: Look at Jamie over there, however, do you play video games, Jamie? No,
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 2: I thought you were a junkie.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 3: I actually haven't played in weeks.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but you were hooked for a while, right.
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: It's a fun. As I'm thinking in my head, I'm like,
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 3: I grew up playing video games, but I also wish
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 3: I was fucking sick. Of guitar. So there's a trade
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 3: off there, and most people I know are stick of
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: guitar aren't good at video games or play them.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: So that's a very good point.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: I did make. I made an effort, like, uh, a
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: year or two ago, I got a PS five and
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: I got Red Dead Redemption. I was like, I'm gonna
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: fucking do it. I'm gonna play this game. And I
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: just got I was like, I feel like I'm just
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 1: doing chores. And I asked my drummer. He was like, yeah,
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: it's pretty much what it.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: Is read rejection. Yeah, you got to play something like
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: a first person shooter, you know, play like Quake or
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: something like that. Like, what's the what's the big first
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: person shooter that the kids played today, Jamie? I mean Fortnite,
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 2: really Fortnite fortnite' Fortnite's been around forever. When my kids
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 2: were in grade school, Fortnite.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 3: Was big, yep, And they just made some weird I
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 3: don't I stopped paying attention, but like Star Wars is
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 3: now in Fortnite, and that the games that they made
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 3: for Star Wars are just like Nope, it's just in
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 3: this thing now, you just play it in here.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. Really.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they're down on stormtroopers and lightsabers.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: WHOA.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: My nephews are always hitting me for what do they
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: call that? Like Fortnite Bucks Bucks?
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: They want bucks so they can play more. Yeah, there's roadbucks.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: My kids were always into road bucks for roadblocks, so
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: you could buy things roadblocks. But apparently now there's like
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: pedophiles have been gotten into roadblocks. They try to message people.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: They ruin everything they do. They do creeps, ruin everything.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: But there's some very fun video games that you shouldn't
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: ever do because it will fuck with all the other
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: things you do, like not getting into golf, not getting
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 2: into video games. Again, Jamie's dead right, that's probably why
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 2: you're so sick at guitar.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 3: You can make a guitar gently.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: We well, there's other things, like there's certain games we
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: can play guitar, like Guitar Hero. That's not the fucking same, no, no, no,
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: but having people learned how to play guitar an actual
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: guitar because of the guitar game.
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 3: There's technically a game it's like a training it called Rocksmith,
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 3: which is way it's you actually have a guitar and
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 3: it's plugged into it. Not on guitar. Here you're just
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 3: hitting five buttons red to red, blue to blue and
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: at the timing thing. But as you're no transfer.
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't know, but it would. I would imagine that
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: a game that would teach you how to play guitar
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: with an actual guitar would be dope. Like if you
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 2: get like you know, like these games like the Sandbox
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: game Deadwood Mansion, you get a gun, and if you
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: got really good, like Staccato has a VR gun game.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: Staccato they make pistols and there's a VR gun game
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: and you get a plastic Staccato And when you're playing
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: this game, like you're actually pointing a trigger, and when
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: you pull the trigger, there's actually like a muzzle jump,
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: so your redical actually jumps up and down a little
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: your red dot jumps up and down a little bit.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: That was that would be exactly like it would do
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 2: if you actually shot a gun. So they have to
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: like recenter it. Bang bang bang, And so you could
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: run around doing things and shoot stuff and shoot targets.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: And that's here too.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you but that's a game that you can
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: get for like medical VR goggles, like consumer VR goggles
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: and so you doing that could get better at shooting guns.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: Because you're a plastic it doesn't weigh the same, but
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: it's the same shape, the same form. It's a plastic gun.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, what they really should do is make one
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: of those things with the weight of an actual steel gun,
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: so that you're accustomed to the actual feel of the thing.
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: And then, god, why can't they do that? They should
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 2: be able to do that. Maybe we'll talk to them.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: But if you did that, like that would be a
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: skill that would actually transfer over. So if they could
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 2: do that with a guitar, if they could figure out
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: a way to attach like computer sensors to an actual
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: real guitar.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: This is Rocksmith. This is uh, there's levels of it.
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 3: You can slow it down.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: And what do you playing real songs?
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: You picked the song?
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 2: So right, but what is the interface guitar? Oh, an
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 2: actual guitar.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: To the computer.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: Oh it's their virtual guitar.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 3: No, no, this is just I showed you what it
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 3: looks like on the game.
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 2: But right, what is it? But it looks like good
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 2: actual guitar.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: Whatever guitar you want to play guitar guitar guitars are
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 3: just things that vibrate strings and oh dude, that's dope,
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 3: digital sounding, that's that is dope. But after a while
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: you'd have to abandon that, right. Yeah, he's just good
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: at guitar.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: Did you learn by lessons or did you just learn
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: by playing?
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: So initially I just learned by just sitting around the
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: house watching cartoons playing guitar. My grandfather would teach me something.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: He'd give me like a project basically, or my dad
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 1: would leave me a record to listen to, and it
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 1: was just his old record collection, so a lot of
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 1: Almond Brothers Man, a lot of Skinnered Marshall Tucker Band,
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And then I would just sit
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 1: at home all day and just go over it. And
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: then later when I was in high school, I studied
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: jazz theory with Steve Watson. At this it was like
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 1: a vocational school for the arts. It's called the Fine
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 1: Arts Center in Greenville, South Carolina, and I'd go there
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 1: in the afternoons and study jazz theory, which was which
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 1: was really beneficial because it's it's good to put a
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: put a vocabulary to the things that you you kind
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: of knew you know, but you didn't know how to
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: quite name it right, just kind of learning the you know,
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: the vocabulary, learning you know what the things are called,
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 1: and then expanding upon that. You know. Yeah, music theory
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 1: is is a valuable tool.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah does it? Does it help you in writing songs?
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: It can it helps in like like in Nashville, they
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: use something called the Nashville Number System. So like you
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 1: go into a session and like it's all based off
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 1: of the major scale, so like one, two, three, four, five,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 1: six seven, and then the eight is just the octave
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: of the one, right, so they'll say, like we got
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: a one four five, you know, and it just represents
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 1: what the chords are.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where maths and stuff gets. It's really interesting.
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 3: You go down this rabbit hole forever.
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: You could.
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 3: You could bring good Terrence Howard back in here some
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 3: weird stuff and honestly, and then you can bring in
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 3: an ancient Egypt and so this is all librations and
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 3: you can translate hieroglyphs into some of this music theory stuff.
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 1: Terrence Howard trying to find the one, yeah, like in
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: a beat that's hilarious. But the first time I use
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: the number system was with with Our Back Oh really, yeah,
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 1: because Dan like his house man for a long time
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: was the remaining members of the Memphis Boys who played
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: on like Son of a Preacher Man by Dusty Springfield,
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 1: Oh Wow, and like Suspicious Minds, that kind of thing.
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 1: Gene Chrispin. It was eighty years old, playing drums, Bobby Wood,
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 1: keyboard player Billy Sandford, and his second session in Nashville
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 1: was Pretty Woman and he wrote the riff. Oh so
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: I walk in. I was early to the session and
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 1: they were still they were finishing up their first session
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 1: of the day, which was John Prime, and I walked in.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 1: It was just like whoa wow. It was like de
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: Marcus to get his ass in here and play slide guitar.
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 1: So they threw a chart in front of me. I
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: just had to pretend I knew what was going on.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: That's where you gotta rely on your ear hmm. But
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: it's conversational too, you like, if you don't really know
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 1: what's going on, like you don't want to say much.
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, that's fascinating man.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: I'm scared of music. Not not really, but I'm scared
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 2: of practicing it. I'm scared of learning it because I
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 2: just feel like it would be very rewarding. It is,
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: and I'd get very obsessed. Yeah, something to it. Yeah,
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 2: well listen, man, I'm glad the people out there like
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: you doing it.
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm just thankful.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the best attitude to have. That's what I think.
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: I think gratitude is the best attitude to have. Anyone
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 2: that's doing what they actually want to do. What's going
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 2: to propel you forward and keep it going is probably gratitude. Yeah,
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 2: just be happy that, like, you're able to do one
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: of the coolest fucking things in the world for a
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 2: living kind of amazing.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 1: Just and don't be an asshole.
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 2: Don't be an asshole. That's it.
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 1: You'd be surprised how hard it is to follow that one.
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 2: I know, right, a lot of people fail. Well, thank you, Marcus,
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 2: thanks for being here, brother. It was fun. I enjoyed
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 2: having me. What's that? Oh, thanks for having me anytime.
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 5: Let's do it again, all right, buy everybody
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 2: DW