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Sister Wives S6 E17 - Tragedy in the Family · My Sister Wives Podcast

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  What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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  Goodbye. You.
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  Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
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  Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
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  Just look at the mountain. That's what you.
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  Saw that day just the knife in
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  and the sacrifices that I made
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  Season 6 Episode 17 tragedy in
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  tragedy this week. I cried yet again.
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  Oh I cried during this episode. 2 weeks in a row of Kimber
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  tears. Multiple apparent tragedies
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  apparent, oh I shouldn't call them apparent tragedies for the
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  Brown family discussed in this
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  A real feel good episode. Oh boy, it was rough for me and
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  ready to face it head on here with you.
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  Oh. Tackling all the big issues here
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  on my Sister Wives podcast. Yes.
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  We open the episode at Meri's house where the adults are
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  gathering. We are told that there are 45
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  days until the commitment ceremony is happening.
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  And of course, the big items that they're pending are the
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  family mission statement. They're going to do some
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  backyard work, finalizing the guest list.
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  Of course, they're behind on everything and they feel they
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  need to panic because, you know,
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  things and implement them. I mean, the timeline bit is a
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  little messy too because I don't
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  It seemed like recently we didn't have 45 days.
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  But then I thought about truly
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  10 days and I'm going, well, that was over a week of time.
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  So time has been irrelevant on
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  feel like it doesn't exist. It has been, they mentioned
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  later on in the episode that it's been a month since Truly's
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  been out of the hospital. So we are jumping ahead about a
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  month's time here. So trying to keep that in mind.
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  I have to correct you. They called it a commitment
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  celebration this time around. Oh, commitment, celebration.
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  Of course. You know, I can't keep these
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  things straight. I'm just making up whatever
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  things I want to say. Oh, it just cracks me up.
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  Yeah, they keep changing their
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  Kody does let us know that they're getting the yards ready,
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  and this is the first time it's mentioned that something might
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  be partook being partaken in the
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  I joked previously about it being a backyard shindig.
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  Totally joking. I had no idea that this actually
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  happens in the backyard. Oh, funny.
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  This is our first inkling that
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  for it. I thought you maybe put that
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  together because of a clip where
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  the future and when they're standing in the yard doing the
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  ceremony. However, it doesn't look the
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  same as any of the yards today because, oh, they have to do
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  things to their yards to get ready.
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  What a shock. And I'm just not that brilliant,
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  Well, you haven't seen these, you know, like, if you've seen
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  it, it's a little obvious that
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  But if you haven't seen it, then
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  I literally joked about it thinking, Oh yeah, backyard
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  hoedown. But blood?
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  And that's what they're going to
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  In this episode, we're meeting
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  her husband Sean. And Bree is an event planner,
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  and she's coming over to the house to help them plan this
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  lovely event, this commitment ceremony, commitment
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  celebration, whatever it's called.
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  Robyn jokes that Bree is going
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  Which I think is so funny because as an execution person
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  myself, you can have some interesting conversations with
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  people where they want to do everything, but they can't
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  usually they can't afford to do anything or they can only
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  afford to do one thing and they want to do 3.
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  And so you have to be the bearer
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  the room that's like, well, you have to make a choice and you
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  have to make a decision or you
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  And people are always like, oh
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  So I did enjoy that. Robyn joked about that.
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  Even though it's kind of, I don't know, it's a nothing
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  burger. Brie tells the parents that 45
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  days is a bit of a crunch to plan an event in line with what
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  the Browns have proposed. It usually would take something
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  like months of planning. And I think it's funny because
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  we do get into this a little later, how it's not a wedding,
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  but they keep teeing everything up as if it's on the same scope
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  as a wedding. You know, there's the cake and
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  the decor and the ceremony and
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  And apparently they could have
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  cake planning or whatever. So, you know, I don't really, I
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  know what to say. I'm pretty sure I could throw
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  together a backyard shindig in
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  I think this is just, you know, filler production, whatever.
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  Bree says usually she has 10 to 12 months to plan a party this
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  large. So yeah, definitely wedding
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  timeline there. Meri mentions earlier that she
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  has thought of at least 70 couples on her list that she is
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  going to invite and Janelle looks at her and goes 70, just
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  incredulous. What?
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  Between all of them they probably know at least 70
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  couples though I guess that doesn't seem too far fetched to
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  me. It depends on if you're inviting
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  the entire family or just the couples though.
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  So maybe Bri has a point that she should have more than 45
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  days, but it's not as large scale as a wedding.
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  So bringing it back to the wedding, they start discussing
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  the band, the possibility of having a band there, and Kody
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  lets us know that he wants a string quartet.
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  This is where we find out that
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  Bell's Canon in D Did I even say
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  I don't know. Well, you said Canon in D, and
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  that's all that matters. The rest is a bit letters and
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  vowels and syllables and all sorts.
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  Of this song is a well known wedding song.
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  Most people will recognize the
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  people are walking down the aisle at a wedding, not to be
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  confused with the wedding March when they do the post kiss and
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  it's like Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun.
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  It's not that it's slower and boring.
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  It's the one where not the white, not the.
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  And maybe that's actually when
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  I'm not sure. But it's not the song that the
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  bride walks down the aisle. It's like when everyone else is
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  walking down the aisle. It's the boring one.
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  It's not. Here comes the broad.
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  No, no, no. If that was Kody's favorite
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  song. I know, right?
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  But it's just an odd choice to
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  I'm not even quite sure what that says about someone's taste
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  in music. We do see in the future as well
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  that Kody has some odd music choices, like he likes to work
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  out to, I believe, classical music like Mozart and whatnot.
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  And of course, when that happens
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  is like, I listen to like, rapping heavy metal or
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  something and it's like, Oh my gosh, yes.
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  Like who works out to Mozart? I could never.
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  Kody tells us that he wants to hear this song on repeat for an
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  hour, played by the string quartet Psychotic.
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  That's all I could say about that.
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  He seemed serious, too. I didn't feel like a joke.
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  It felt serious. Janelle says that not during the
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  they want to avoid things that make the ceremony feel like a
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  wedding, and I'm going. You mean like the wedding music,
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  The entire thing is basically not a wedding slash wedding.
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  A string quartet. I can't imagine a fun party
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  having a string quartet. I think of wedding when I think
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  of a string quartet. When Bri asks what they want to
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  do during the ceremony, Robyn says they want to sign their
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  family mission statement and Meri says they want to plant a
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  How moving, How touching? Meri yells this out, though she
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  interrupts Robyn's nice spiel to Bri about what their plans
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  are. Meri, seemingly out of nowhere,
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  goes. I want to plant a tree.
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  I want to plant a tree. It was really awkward.
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  What was she thinking? She seemed to be on something.
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  It was bizarre. Oh my God.
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  It felt like nobody had talked
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  screamed it out out of nowhere.
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  And this is where we transition to Robyn's backyard.
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  Kody tells us they've decided to spend money on improving
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  someone's backyard rather than hosting at an outdoor event
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  space. And I just thought it was great
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  that it happens to be Robyn's house.
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  Oh, isn't that convenient? They're going to spend all of
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  this money making someone's backyard Look event ready.
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  I wonder which wife is going to have that backyard?
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  What a chin scratcher. Some guy rolls up to the
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  compound in a truck that says Living Water, Lawn and Garden
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  and they show him mapping out the yard with paint.
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  We learned his name is Mark, but we also learn that they are
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  getting the yard redone because of the ceremony.
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  And yes, this is the first time that they blatantly pointed out
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  to us along with introducing us to this wonderful new character,
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  are the first polygamists that he has met, duh, and that it's a
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  Again, any single time that we meet a vendor or a person, they
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  ask them this question. Have you met polygamists before
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  and prompt this question? The answer is always no.
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  These are the first polygamists I've met.
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  It's nothing new. Why do they tee that question up
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  on? It's not interesting at this
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  point. Yeah, it's lame and boring and
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  they do it all the time, and this is no different.
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  And it just brings up this whole
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  like, who the fuck cares? This Mark guy says that he
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  thinks Kody seems to be doing a pretty good job at handling 4
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  wives and it's like, OK, cool.
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  Not really. But Mark also thinks if they
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  have Jesus Christ in their hearts, they have just as likely
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  a chance to get into heaven as
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  so wonderful of him. He has such a great worldview.
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  Robyn claims she had no idea of his religious affiliations.
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  And I'm going, oh, really? With a business like the name of
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  Living Water Lawn and Garden, you didn't know that he had any
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  religious affiliation? Like, she's so dumb.
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  And this is also in a interview moment, so she's had time.
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  It's like, stop saying these things.
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  Why are you even saying this? Like she's so dumb she can't
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  read, she can't comprehend, she doesn't even know Christian
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  whatnot and I'm like she is not a Christian she is dark sided
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  gargoyles and evil. Like my God, Robyn, she's just
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  so dumb. Anybody that introduces themself
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  like Mark did here as a Christian man of God, I
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  instantly question their morals.
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  I don't know. I question the person that
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  introduces themself as that. Usually they are pretending she,
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  person. He goes in on the Browns.
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  He does say, like you said, that he thinks if they believe in
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  Jesus Christ and if they have Jesus Christ in their hearts to
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  whether they're polygamists or not, they probably have just as
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  good of a chance to get into heaven as he does.
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  But I don't know about that sin though.
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  I'm kind of against basically having multiple wives, being a
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  commandments. All right, Mark.
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  On the couch, the adults discussed doing business with
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  people of different faiths. You know, and Chanel is normal
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  And I'm just going, what does it matter what faith someone is
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  when they're doing your landscaping?
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  I mean, if he's sitting in your front yard saying I'm going to,
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  you know, summon the devil and we're going to do ritualistic
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  dances and I'm going to open a portal to the fire and brimstone
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  But it just seems like it doesn't matter at all.
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  And it's just, it's just lame. It's so lame.
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  To me, working with an ethical landscaper would mean that they
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  don't use poison or pesticides or things like that.
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  I wouldn't be referencing their religion because it would be a
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  come up right. I don't know what religion many
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  people in my life are. I don't know what religion my
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  hairdresser is. It's none of my goddamn
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  business, you know? So why would I care what my lawn
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  As long as they're not poisoning
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  the earth while they're working on my lawn?
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  That's ethical to me. Yeah, my concerns would lie in
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  bait and switch and giving bad
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  the work. It wouldn't be, oh, what faith
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  are they? But you know, whatever I guess.
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  I'm also not starring in ATV show based on my backwards cult
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  religion whatnotness so they got
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  Janelle looked really good in this interview.
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  This couch look for her, I'm loving it.
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  Her low lights are fresh. They actually look like low
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  lights now. They're a darker brown low
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  light. She has makeup that is giving
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  her face a life. She's wearing a purple Plaid
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  shirt, which is kind of an odd
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  her skin tone and her makeup. She looked really good.
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  It's probably one of the first
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  being so put together and the weight loss and working on her
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  overall appearance and doing some cohesive makeup, look and
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  hair and outfit. She looked great.
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  Oh, I was going to say the same thing about Robyn, but I just
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  don't think that's right. Well, discussing where they
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  should plant a new tree in Robyn's backyard because of
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  course Kody has to bring up oak trees and they're doing this
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  tree alive and blah blah blah blah blah.
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  The topic of polygamy for some
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  Kody's on the couch and he says we have been hiding from our
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  polygamy and offending the world.
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  I'm tired of not letting it shine.
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  And the celebration we're planning is finally an
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  opportunity for us to own our polygamy and say, hey, dammit,
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  I'm a polygamist, come and be my
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  Anyway, my hell. And it's like, excuse me, we're
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  on the 6th season of ATV show where you have been polygamous
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  out and proud and apparently even before you were on TV
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  according to Christine's lies and delusion later in the
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  episode. So what the hell are you even
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  talking about? Everyone knows you're a
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  polygamist. It's strange.
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  Thank you. We are six years in on a TV
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  show. You're out and proud.
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  Damn it. We all know it.
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  My hell. My hell, I can't.
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  Imagine saying my hell with any regularity.
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  Like where the fuck does this shit even come from?
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  He's heated too. He's got his stern face on and
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  he's got his head shaking and his hair waving.
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  How he gets He's heated, yes. Heated those curls were bouncing
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  and he was going my hell, like, OK, Kody, all right, hey, damn
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  it, I'm a polygamist. Come and be my friend anyway.
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  Like, OK, I don't think people
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  friend because you're a polygamist.
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  They're probably choosing to not
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  obnoxious and an egomaniacal nut
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  Yeah, yeah. TLC pay some bills and then we
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  cut to Kody packing up a bag at Robbins House.
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  Oh, where else would he be packing up a bag but at Robbins
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  House? What a shock.
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  We get a hard left turn in this episode.
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  We go Scrooge, Yes. Just like that minivan could
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  have been doing Into the Plague Desac the previous one of our
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  previous episodes, but instead
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  And this episode did take a hard
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  Screeching on into the cul-de-sac in these minivans.
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  We're packing for a trip. Oh yeah, we find out that
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  everybody is packing for a family trip.
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  They are going to Wyoming. Kody lets us know that it has
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  been a rough summer. He has his own interview moment
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  here. He lets everybody know that
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  first, you know, there was truly
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  brother Curtis passed away about four months ago in a
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  motorcycle accident that comes out of nowhere.
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  I didn't know that that happened.
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  So this is news to me as a first
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  He describes Curtis as a cowboy warrior, poet and after Curtis
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  passed away a couple of months
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  a stroke. So the rule of three here.
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  There have been 3 tragedies this
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  A. Reminder for our listeners at
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  home, Curtis is one of Kody's brothers that came to visit in
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  the seventh episode of Season 4,
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  He brought along his wife Erica,
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  stools from her loose sushi rolls.
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  In case you're wondering which
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  It's Curtis, the motorcycle driver, the rebel, the cowboy,
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  warrior, poet, according to Kody
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  Erica. Yeah, poor Erica.
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  Still probably recovering in her
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  Yeah, her flight home was definitely one for the books,
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  I'm sure. Because sure it.
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  Was everyone on that flight was praying?
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  Praying hard. After Kody tells us about Curtis
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  and his dad passing away, they
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  Kody's dad, which you know these
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  what a name when it just I just noticed myself thinking about
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  it during the episode. Like am I going to be able to
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  say his name without having to
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  because these weird names, but
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  the name when it's just God. OK, so they show a clip of when
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  greeting some of the grandkids
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  previous episode. And he was very stoic, trying to
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  not emote at all while talking
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  And I can't remember what he said, but it was like, oh, oh,
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  like he was just like making noises.
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  Like I don't even think he was
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  While I was watching it, it felt
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  of tears, holding things back.
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  man. What a great introduction to him
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  in this episode. Because what we're supposed to
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  kind of surmise is that he was
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  He's an asshole in general. He probably required his wife to
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  get into polygamy because he was
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  probably abusive, allegedly abusive whatever to his family
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  members. And here he is.
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  Just reminds me of this thing with like old men that have
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  lived a life of being crude and rude to people and then they
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  kind of lose some faculties about their their mind or
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  something. And then they can't control
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  their emotions so much or it just the emotions come up and
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  they are trying so hard to not
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  That's the vibe I got. It reminded me of a grandpa
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  that's like I'm near the verge
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  So I just don't talk. I just kind of grunt and make
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  noises. He was patting each of the kids
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  as he was saying oh, oh, oh, like there's another 10 and
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  patting them. It was awkward.
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  There's another person later on in this episode that is acting
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  this same way and I'll point it out.
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  I think that I pointed it out in
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  person is so. Oh, yeah, Yeah.
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  Gotcha. Yeah, Kody tells us that his dad
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  stood up, had a stroke, and that
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  Which what a interesting way to describe it.
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  I mean, I guess that's what happens for some people.
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  First he says he died of natural
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  died peacefully in his sleep, and then he lets us know that he
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  stood up and went, had a stroke and exited the world.
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  I know at first I was like, what's up with the natural
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  causes? And then I realized, oh, well,
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  Curtis died in a motorcycle accident.
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  So of course he's like trying to
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  died in an accident, his dad died of natural causes.
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  But I was a little like, whenever I hear natural causes,
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  I think of a police report or like a, you know, true crime
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  podcast or whatever. Like not, it's just not a phrase
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  I hear very often, like natural causes.
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  I don't know. You think of somebody trying to
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  rush something out of the rug for insurance money.
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  Well, I just think of like, well, it turns out it was
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  natural causes like, okay, well,
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  wasn't? I don't know.
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  Does this towel smell like chloroform to you, Christopher?
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  Let's put it over my face and see.
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  Kody says that they're going to take a trip up to Wyoming to
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  the family ranch to spend time with Kody's mom and reminisce
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  about his brother and his father.
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  Oh well, we love a Brown family road trip.
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  Now, just like the wives going to San Francisco, we are robbed.
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  because we did not get to see this road trip.
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  We didn't get Meri Math, as you said.
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  What? What do you call it, Meri?
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  Math. Math Yes.
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  We didn't get that. We didn't get to see them stop
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  17 times to go to the bathroom
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  We didn't get to see any of the crazy brown family drama of the
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  road trips, which some people might go.
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  Thank God, but I consider it a
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  not when they take it out. I imagine Kody up late at night
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  watching infomercials with Robyn
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  shit from QVC let's say, and one
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  can pee standing up so that they can do it quicker comes across
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  the screen and he buys one for each van for Rd. trips for his
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  girls and his wives. Not even one for everyone, just
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  one per vehicle, right? Like you got to, you got to
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  share. Like sorry, take out a sandy
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  nap, wipe that shit up. We're all sharing other things
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  anyway, as a parent by the lips.
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  What is the thing called that women pee in to stand up?
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  Female urination device OK. There was some cutesy dumb name
• 24:06
  for it I think, but I. Stand to be go girl.
• 24:12
  Girl. OK, so looking up this device,
• 24:20
  girl, the female urination device, and the original stand
• 24:26
  can one get herpes from a stand to be device?
• 24:29
  I'm not sure. Oh name depends on the person.
• 24:37
  wind's blowing when you're peeing in the ditch.
• 24:40
  This is where Christine told us that Truly got out of the
• 24:43
  hospital a month ago. Reminder for anyone who's
• 24:46
  listening for the very first time Truly is Christine's
• 24:49
  youngest daughter. She had kidney failure because
• 24:55
  the mothers were in San Francisco for three days and so
• 24:59
  Truly had to be admitted to the hospital and was there for 10
• 25:03
  days. Apparently she's doing a lot
• 25:04
  better. She's done with most of her meds
• 25:07
  So Christine is happy about that.
• 25:09
  She actually says it's really nice to have her feeling so well
• 25:15
  I never thought I'd be so happy to have a messy house.
• 25:18
  And I'm going, oh, bitch, please, you have the messiest
• 25:21
  house on television. Give me a fucking break.
• 25:23
  One of the most disturbing things this episode shows up.
• 25:27
  I don't know if this is Truly's room or one of the other kids
• 25:32
  bedrooms, but as Christine is packing, they show us this curio
• 25:43
  with bunk beds. This cabinet has clear glass
• 25:46
  doors like it should be housing fine China and it's being used
• 25:58
  would be, so I don't understand why it's being used as a dresser
• 26:06
  Beast armoire. I don't get it.
• 26:09
  We've got to struggle to qualify for our $400,000 mortgage, but
• 26:20
  What the fuck. These people are so bizarre.
• 26:22
  There were boxes next to it too, unpacked boxes and a bunk bed.
• 26:30
  She's sitting on the floor packing.
• 26:32
  The cameras are there in her face doing a one-on-one
• 26:35
  interview as she's packing. This is what's in the
• 26:39
  background. This is what's acceptable.
• 26:41
  OK, I can't stress enough how odd some of the choices are by
• 26:48
  these nice houses, went to all this trouble to qualify for
• 26:52
  these mortgages. They are so house poor that they
• 26:57
  living out of boxes. After being there for a hot
• 27:00
  minute. I mean this isn't like they just
• 27:04
  I know it just makes no sense. I mean, I guess maybe for
• 27:08
  investment, like Kody probably thought that the housing market
• 27:10
  in Las Vegas was a good thing to invest in.
• 27:12
  And I don't know that he's even wrong.
• 27:15
  It's just bizarre, especially when their rentals were so
• 27:19
  cramped. There was always shit in every
• 27:23
  a bigger home so there's less stuff, but how is it you don't
• 27:32
  they got to move in the middle of the night because the police
• 27:35
  are coming quote UN quote. But moving out of the rentals,
• 27:40
  And if they did, they are idiots.
• 27:42
  Idiots. They just get so fed up and sick
• 27:48
  leave up and throw in the towel.
• 27:51
  We'll buy new stuff then you got
• 27:56
  the cul-de-sac that won't let Leon take decorations to college
• 28:00
  because their room needs to stay
• 28:05
  Bunch of weirdos. Leon's room has anything a
• 28:09
  person could ever need and and
• 28:14
  their clothes in a curio cabinet.
• 28:15
  Like, that's the Browns, that's the Browns.
• 28:18
  Oh my goodness. We get an exterior shot in the
• 28:22
  cul-de-sac and Kody is gathering
• 28:25
  they hit the road. And I always get touched
• 28:28
  whenever they show footage of Kody gathering everyone for a
• 28:32
  direct conversation with God. Kody tells us that he's been
• 28:35
  depressed over the death of his brother, even though he has
• 28:38
  faith in an afterlife because he
• 28:42
  brother again on this earth. Seems reasonable.
• 28:46
  Kody tells us that Curtis was 34
• 28:48
  He left a widow and small children and LED a very
• 28:51
  passionate, fulfilling life. He is so missed.
• 28:55
  I'm like, OK, yes, well, sounds like a bunch of standard
• 28:57
  things. You know, the widow bit and the
• 29:00
  small children fucking sucks. Like that's terrible.
• 29:02
  I just hate hearing that. I started crying when he said 34
• 29:12
  This religion people get married young, they have kids young. 34
• 29:19
  is pretty young to be married and have kids in two days age.
• 29:30
  later, having kids later. So he did that well, maybe at an
• 29:37
  youngest is or how old his oldest is, but it is so young.
• 29:59
  she's never going to have kids of her own.
• 30:02
  So when they brought up his age and the fact that he had young
• 30:10
  walk his daughters down the aisle.
• 30:12
  If that was something, you know, in their cards later on in life.
• 30:19
  mind, being alone with small children.
• 30:24
  I've flashed to all of these things that I think of regularly
• 30:28
  when I still think of losing my friend who passed away in a
• 30:32
  horrific car accident. This one just really hit home
• 30:35
  for me. I think a lot of people know
• 30:37
  other people that have died in
• 30:42
  I'm not sure why. This one was just really tough
• 30:44
  for me. I think I cried more during this
• 30:46
  episode than I even did during
• 30:50
  it was sad to see truly in the
• 30:53
  situation with a child in the NICU, that all worked out.
• 30:58
  There's levity there. Knowing that it worked out.
• 31:01
  This was so different for me. It felt so heavy and sad.
• 31:07
  Kody talking about how he knows he's in a better place, but he
• 31:12
  still is feeling sad for himself
• 31:15
  never speak with him on this plane again on Earth.
• 31:21
  It twisted, twisted my cold, dead heart and teared me up.
• 31:26
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got emotional a
• 31:29
  few times during this episode and luckily I was able to rein
• 31:34
  it in, I guess, which is good.
• 31:39
  Kody shares some background about his parents, how they were
• 31:41
  both raised Mormon. They got married and eventually
• 31:44
  heard the calling to live plural
• 31:47
  AKA Win wanted to get his Dick
• 31:50
  So he was like, you either do this or I'm leaving you or
• 31:53
  something. I mean, allegedly just making it
• 31:55
  all up now, Curtis, Kody's brother, chose to be a born
• 31:59
  again Christian. And this made a bit of a
• 32:01
  separation between Curtis and Wynn, even though Kody felt that
• 32:05
  Curtis and Wynn were always very
• 32:08
  similar enjoyments with the animals at the ranch and kind
• 32:10
  of was this western, what cowboy poet, whatever he called them.
• 32:15
  So there was some natural alignment between Curtis and
• 32:19
  their father. But then when Curtis chose to
• 32:22
  take a different path spiritually, this maybe put a
• 32:26
  little bit of a divide between
• 32:29
  As I said before, we don't get
• 32:31
  which I was so disappointed in
• 32:34
  Brown family road trip. We just love it so much.
• 32:39
  Oh God, we could have seen Meri being like, I'm cool to drive,
• 32:41
  I can drive all night, I can drive all day, I'm cool,
• 32:43
  whatever. Like bitch, you're being such a
• 32:45
  fucking bitch right now. Oh my God, I'll never forget
• 32:48
  that moment. Kody losing it about not getting
• 32:53
  But because we didn't get to see any of the road trip, we just
• 32:57
  get to see the family arriving at Kody's mom's house.
• 33:00
  Janelle. Once again, that's Janelle.
• 33:04
  GENIELLE. You know, you got to kind of
• 33:07
  spell it, how you say it kind of thing because it's Janelle and
• 33:18
  It's great seeing the footage of the homes in this episode 'cause
• 33:24
  then we spend time at Sheryl's house, who is Janelle's mom.
• 33:28
  And both of their homes are small and we have this entire
• 33:32
  family cramped in there. So it's very much like, oh, let
• 33:35
  me scoop by OG's. Oh scoop.
• 33:36
  Everyone's kind of jostling for positions and trying to find a
• 33:54
  punch her in the face because I'm like, Daddy, you're a bio
• 33:56
  grandma and I know I'm going to ruin some people's lives here,
• 33:59
  Back the fuck up, Back the fuck up.
• 34:02
  Let someone else sit there. Also.
• 34:03
  She just had that look on her face like, I'm here to hear the
• 34:06
  story and I'm such a great little Angel.
• 34:07
  And I'm like, no, you're not bitch.
• 34:10
  Anyway. Little brown nose and kiss ass.
• 34:13
  Yeah, tangent, tangent.
• 34:14
  Sorry about that everybody. Yeah, we see the how cramped it
• 34:18
  is because there is not enough
• 34:20
  Janelle is sitting on a lawn chair in her own living room at
• 34:23
  the beginning of this clip. They're about to eat and they
• 34:26
  show us the longest sub I've ever seen in my life.
• 34:32
  As long as a bus, one could say the longest, driest looking sub
• 34:39
  you've ever seen in your life.
• 34:43
  Like good Lord. Oh Lord my God, yeah.
• 34:49
  They were like, we'd have to use
• 34:51
  they didn't pay for the Mayo so it's dry as shit.
• 34:54
  It's in one piece, not cut up and put on a platter.
• 34:58
  Couldn't even fit in a fridge because it was so long, so it's
• 35:01
  been sitting out. You just know it.
• 35:03
  What's up with this sub? Then you know how grandmas are
• 35:06
  like, I picked it up at 8:00 AM because I knew you'd be here.
• 35:09
  And then they show up after dark
• 35:11
  Glad this has been sitting up that we used to happen with my
• 35:13
  daddy's grandma when we'd go to Omaha.
• 35:15
  She would buy like, KFC in the
• 35:18
  arrive after sundown. And my dad would be like, we
• 35:21
  shouldn't eat this because, you know, I don't know how long
• 35:23
  it's been sitting here. And it's like, that's terrible.
• 35:26
  And like, they just, you know,
• 35:28
  enthusiastic. But it's like, Oh no, don't do
• 35:30
  this please. More loose stools for the
• 35:33
  Browns. Oh, God.
• 35:35
  And in that house, you know, the
• 35:38
  brown, brown, brown, a brown, brown, brown situation.
• 35:42
  No. This property still probably has
• 35:45
  an outhouse or two, so they'll
• 35:47
  Oh yes, yes, running water was a
• 35:51
  beautiful home. As we were talking about,
• 35:54
  everyone kind of smashes into the living room, gathering
• 35:57
  around to hear the tale of how
• 36:00
  Janelle met. And at this point, yes, they're
• 36:03
  getting food or whatever. And when she's coming in, she's
• 36:05
  like, well, I need my chair for this story.
• 36:07
  And it's like, oh, she gets to
• 36:10
  folding chair, which is so nice.
• 36:12
  And this is where Aurora kneels down as if she's hearing the
• 36:16
  story of the coming of Christ. And it's like, backup bitch.
• 36:19
  Oh, I just wanted to punch her in the face.
• 36:22
  To your point about Aurora kissing ass and clambering, to
• 36:34
  the pick me behavior from Robyn because they've probably only
• 36:39
  met her a couple of times. This isn't their bio grandma.
• 36:44
  If I was that age I would have been shy.
• 36:49
  I would have been reserved and in the back.
• 36:52
  I think there is something with Robyn's behavior that pick me
• 36:58
  girl behavior. It rubs off on the children,
• 37:02
  especially the girls of pick me women.
• 37:05
  Pick me girls. I've noticed this in my own
• 37:09
  life. I come for me on this.
• 37:12
  You can see it when you're out at school events, for instance.
• 37:16
  Those girls that you know are
• 37:18
  pick me girls that are kissing
• 37:21
  trying to get stuck up to the coach and their daughters are
• 37:24
  doing the same fucking thing already.
• 37:28
  And I noticed this too and it irked me because this bad
• 37:32
  behavior is rubbing off on this small child already and I don't
• 37:37
  know how to say it other than it's this gross rubs me the
• 37:40
  wrong way feeling so. This is it.
• 37:43
  Like when I say I want to punch this 10 year old girl in the
• 37:45
  face, it's not because I'm going
• 37:48
  10 year old girls in the face.
• 37:51
  and the expression on her face
• 37:55
  hearing the story. And I'm going to be right here.
• 37:57
  I'm literally going to like, put
• 37:59
  Like, bitch, back up, you know?
• 38:01
  Feel the space. Find a place that's appropriate
• 38:04
  for you. I also think there's something
• 38:20
  This whole onslaught of things that are not going to work in
• 38:24
  Aurora's favor when she becomes an adult and everyone's like,
• 38:26
  not into the behavior, not into the vibes, like, what are you
• 38:30
  doing? It's evil step sister vibes it
• 38:36
  doesn't fit on Aurora, doesn't fit on Brianna.
• 38:38
  Oh, it fits on Savannah. OK, sorry, that was lame.
• 38:44
  We often get a good Disney comparison in during this.
• 38:48
  Podcast we do. We do.
• 38:49
  I know. I feel like we haven't said that
• 38:53
  So it was time. It was time, Grandma Janelle.
• 38:56
  OK, gather around children. Aurora, Back the fuck up,
• 39:00
  Aurora. Everyone else, gather closer.
• 39:03
  Gather closer. Grandma Janelle starts telling
• 39:08
  She was going to a high school dance and there were two grown
• 39:16
  One of these pedophiles asked Grandma Janelle to dance, but it
• 39:28
  insisted she come out to the porch.
• 39:30
  He asked her. You know, my pervert friend
• 39:33
  wants to know if you would be a farmer's wife because he plans
• 39:42
  Grandma Janil told him. You know when I'd rather you
• 39:46
  were the 1 to stuff your genitals into my pure purity
• 39:49
  Kitty. And she tells the grandkids I
• 39:53
  was very, very forward. I'm sorry.
• 39:55
  And then she smirked to the side like a sexed, crazed polygamist.
• 40:02
  retelling of Janelle's story. I feel like it is accurate.
• 40:06
  I feel like I got all the details and of importance
• 40:09
  anything that I missed. No, it was very accurate
• 40:12
  actually. She tells us that Wynn and his
• 40:16
  friend had graduated before her,
• 40:20
  dance. These two grown ass men came to
• 40:23
  a high school dance. The friend creepily uses Win to
• 40:29
  do his bidding and ask her out
• 40:33
  There's nothing creepier as a girl to be told my friend has a
• 40:38
  crush on you. Creeper vibes so disgusting.
• 40:46
  So I can see why if she had barely a pic in town she would
• 40:51
  go for a win over the friend that's creepily asking his
• 40:54
  friend to do the asking out. I would have done the same.
• 40:58
  I'd have rather gone for the bold one.
• 41:01
  The other one's probably a cock.
• 41:02
  There's something going on there.
• 41:04
  Oh God, oh God, I can borrow him.
• 41:07
  The chair. You know I've got a chair.
• 41:09
  Looking at my bed in my bedroom. I call him as I see him.
• 41:11
  This is it. I haven't used it with Grandpa
• 41:16
  It is given the vibes that this small town perhaps is a little
• 41:30
  people up. And this was before Janelle
• 41:33
  apparently was a polygamist because reminder when and
• 41:36
  Janelle become polygamist while Kody is on his mission when he's
• 41:47
  But to most traditional Mormons or people that are living, you
• 41:54
  like the others, like the ones we are not like them.
• 41:57
  So I can't even say that she's got the cult brainwashing.
• 42:00
  She just has the LDS brainwashing at this point.
• 42:02
  At the beginning of the story, she talks about how they were
• 42:06
  never in high school together because when was old enough to
• 42:10
  So we're talking either 3 or 4 years between them.
• 42:13
  It's not like she's a senior at the dance and he's 19 and his
• 42:16
  first year out they're going, you know, I just keep getting
• 42:19
  older and the girls keep staying the same age.
• 42:21
  Like that's not happening. Like, she's 3 or 4 years younger
• 42:30
  moment with the adults on the couch.
• 42:31
  Janelle shares how you can see the mark that Janelle has left
• 42:42
  you can see she's going to start crying.
• 42:45
  So she just doesn't say anything.
• 42:47
  So she chokes it down. She chokes down her emotions as
• 42:51
  per usual for her. Just like a win when they are
• 42:56
  showing him greeting his grandchildren and he is choking
• 42:59
  as he's trying to say hello to each of them.
• 43:02
  She's just like her stepdaddy. Stepdaddy father-in-law in that
• 43:08
  regard. Daddy.
• 43:10
  Father-in-law choking down those emotions.
• 43:13
  Yes, they do have some parallels.
• 43:16
  We'll hear some more later. Stepdaddy father-in-law, which
• 43:22
  So it's, you know, or just, I don't even know I'm in.
• 43:28
  The family just keeping it in the family.
• 43:31
  Keep it together, keep it keep. Keep it together, yes?
• 43:35
  This could have been a touching moment, but instead she goes oh
• 43:40
  gosh, literally chokes down the tears and cuts herself off from
• 43:45
  feeling any sort of emotion whatsoever.
• 43:48
  So. Stares over to the side.
• 43:50
  She diverts her eyes from craft service and the charcuterie
• 43:53
  board and looks over at some sound guy.
• 43:55
  And cut to commercial. So.
• 43:57
  And it's funny because anyone who's seen the show before, you
• 44:00
  know that especially in these early eight seasons, the music
• 44:08
  very kind of like this lame fade out harpy.
• 44:12
  We're going to a commercial. This is the TLC show.
• 44:15
  And it's like, OK, we just watched her choking over her
• 44:17
  tears. And now it's like after the
• 44:19
  break, it's like, Oh my God, this is just, it was a weird
• 44:24
  moment. It was very strange.
• 44:26
  Yeah. When we return from the
• 44:29
  commercial break though, the family heads over to Grandma
• 44:31
  Sheryl's house. A reminder for everyone.
• 44:34
  Sheryl is Janelle's mom who was married to Kody's dad.
• 44:38
  She's also Kody's stepmom. She's Meri's brother's ex
• 44:42
  mother-in-law. So the whatever webs we weave,
• 44:58
  I'm going. To yeah, when your role is
• 45:01
  someones mom, someones stepmom, someones mother-in-law, someones
• 45:08
  tickler. It's just a lot of things.
• 45:11
  And you know, we actually like Sheryl on this podcast.
• 45:14
  We're not hating on Sheryl, but she's got a lot of titles here.
• 45:17
  She's got a lot of titles.
• 45:18
  Dog groomer. Oh yeah, and caramel maker,
• 45:21
  she's really good at helping with that caramel.
• 45:23
  She's not as good as Janelle. Now Janelle has that sweet
• 45:26
  caramel you just want to pop in your mouth and suck on and save
• 45:30
  her every every. Maybe that's why Wynn liked her
• 45:33
  so much, her savory caramels. Sweet, buttery and melty
• 45:36
  goodness. Robyn's caramel.
• 45:40
  We all know it's. Dry and flavorless, store
• 45:42
  bought. Absolutely.
• 45:44
  Store bought that girl's caramel
• 45:49
  God. And of course, Janelle has to
• 45:51
  share the story about how her mom was concerned about Janelle
• 45:54
  getting too close to these polygamists.
• 45:57
  So she came to visit Janelle in Wyoming and then she just ended
• 46:00
  up marrying Wynne. And then Kody chimes in four
• 46:03
  months later, Janelle and I got married.
• 46:05
  And it's like, OK, once again,
• 46:08
  And I'm going, you know, there
• 46:11
  up pieces to this puzzle. One obvious what the fuck thing
• 46:15
  is, Janelle used to be married
• 46:19
  So Meri's family was a polygamist family.
• 46:23
  This isn't like Janelle was just
• 46:26
  that is polygamy. No, she was married to someone
• 46:29
  from a polygamist family, left
• 46:32
  time with Kody and her ex husband's sister.
• 46:36
  These people. Like it's not as if Sheryl.
• 46:38
  This wasn't Sheryl's first exposure to Janelle being
• 46:41
  exposed exposure exposed flashing a lot of a lot of body
• 46:45
  parts a lot of places. This isn't Janelle's first.
• 46:48
  I just, this is not Janelle's first experience with polygamy,
• 46:52
  and so there's just something that doesn't sit right with this
• 46:55
  story to me. But I also feel like Janelle's
• 46:57
  story hasn't changed. It's always been that her mom
• 47:00
  was trying to prevent her and her family had an intervention
• 47:03
  with her. We don't want you to become a
• 47:04
  polygamist, blah, blah, blah. It's like, did any of that
• 47:06
  happen when she married the guy from the polygamist family the
• 47:09
  first time? I guess maybe if he didn't have
• 47:11
  other wives, they just assumed
• 47:14
  them or something because it's
• 47:16
  Something doesn't add up. Something doesn't add up.
• 47:19
  As per usual. I rewound this part a couple of
• 47:23
  times because it didn't make sense.
• 47:26
  Kody says that he encouraged Janelle to go to the ranch to
• 47:32
  spend time with his father because she was always
• 47:34
  interested in the ranching and
• 47:39
  So that's how she went there and
• 47:42
  And then her mom was concerned
• 47:45
  in Wyoming, so she went to visit
• 47:50
  Wyoming's a dangerous through his place, got a lot of
• 47:54
  coyotes there, had to go and check on her well.
• 47:56
  She maybe wanted to make sure she got out of that teepee.
• 47:59
  You know, she did try to live in a teepee for a hot minute and
• 48:01
  that lasted like two or three hours.
• 48:03
  And then she probably had to go inside with Wynne and Janelle.
• 48:10
  might end up with Wynne. Interesting.
• 48:11
  But I she, she knew that Janelle was spending time with Kody and
• 48:15
  Meri like they that's how, you know, Janelle even was
• 48:18
  introduced to Wynne and the whole Wyoming thing.
• 48:20
  So I don't know, but there's definitely something about
• 48:24
  Wyoming that's very scary for. Sure.
• 48:26
  A lot of tumbleweeds. I don't know.
• 48:30
  They're dangerous. They get some winds.
• 48:32
  There's some windy days for sure there's wind.
• 48:35
  There's some winds and windy days.
• 48:38
  I would be concerned too. I'd be going to check out what
• 48:46
  circumstances that are being told to us are why she was going
• 49:03
  This is where I get. So that's where I get confused
• 49:13
  polygamist lifestyle. His parents.
• 49:15
  I don't know something so weird about it to me.
• 49:18
  I want to sit down with markers and a dry erase board and figure
• 49:22
  And do the timeline well because his Kody's parents became
• 49:25
  polygamous while he was in Mission right out of high
• 49:29
  school. And then when he returned from
• 49:34
  the cult. And so he was married to Meri
• 49:37
  and Janelle was at their wedding while Janelle was married to
• 49:41
  Meri's brother. So when Janelle started spending
• 49:48
  Kody's parents were already polygamous.
• 49:50
  Now Kody's dad has another wife that never appears on the show.
• 49:55
  So my assumption is when Wynne
• 49:56
  and Janelle adopted polygamy as their faith and the way they
• 50:00
  were going to get into the Celestial Kingdom, I'm assuming
• 50:04
  that probably went hand in hand with recording or selecting or
• 50:08
  marrying another wife. I mean, that's an assumption on
• 50:11
  my part. I don't know that they declared
• 50:13
  to the world that they were polygamist and then waited to
• 50:15
  get another wife. So maybe Wynn and Janelle
• 50:19
  already had this other wife. And I think her name's Bobby or
• 50:21
  Bonnie. We never meet her in the show.
• 50:23
  She did not want to be a part of
• 50:24
  That's what's confusing to me.
• 50:27
  timeline doesn't feel like it adds up for me because in my
• 50:30
  mind, and we've talked about this before, so I kind of know
• 50:34
  that there's this other wife out
• 50:38
  for me to reconcile the timeline
• 50:44
  Sheryl as the wives. So sorry to people that are
• 50:48
  really deep into this world and know all of the lore and all of
• 50:53
  the back story and I've done all
• 50:57
  to figure it out real time as a first time viewer pretending
• 51:03
  there is no Google out there or Ask Jeeves.
• 51:06
  OK. Oh yeah.
• 51:08
  So it's confusing. They don't lay it out for us.
• 51:11
  They hide things, they lie. We don't hear about Janelle
• 51:16
  marrying Meri's brother. So they just do us dirty all the
• 51:21
  time with the story here. They definitely gloss over the
• 51:25
  even in this episode she references Kody and Meri as her
• 51:30
  token polygamist friends and it's like they were not your
• 51:33
  token polygamist friends. I mean you could call them that,
• 51:35
  but no, Meri was your sister-in-law.
• 51:37
  You married her brother and then
• 51:40
  micro penis. I mean, I don't know why, but
• 51:42
  allegedly, you know, I mean whatever Janelle, you know,
• 51:45
  she's like, I can't feel anything.
• 51:46
  Literally I've got the cushion
• 51:49
  even in. So I just, they just definitely
• 51:53
  don't give us the details that
• 51:55
  pieces together. And people wonder why we're
• 51:58
  talking about this family and why people are so obsessed with
• 52:01
  this family because they give us
• 52:04
  enough. And that just inherently leads
• 52:07
  to curiosity, doesn't it? You're coming out and you're
• 52:11
  making this TV shows trying to
• 52:15
  to understand what's been going on and polygamy and yadda,
• 52:18
  yadda, but you're not giving the
• 52:21
  People are having to do deep dives.
• 52:23
  People are having to go and do
• 52:27
  sleuth people get into that. So, yeah, it's interesting.
• 52:31
  Sorry, what of it, You know? Yeah, So I were here.
• 52:36
  And if we don't know the details, we could either just
• 52:37
  make them up and say allegedly, or just say we don't know
• 52:40
  because that's what we could do,
• 52:43
  While at Sheryl's house, the family starts eating some
• 52:45
  breakfast and everyone's writing
• 52:49
  poems to bring to Grandpa Wynn's
• 52:51
  They're going to go do a little memorial for Grandpa Wynn.
• 52:54
  They also mentioned that Janelle
• 52:57
  years and Sheryl and Wynn were
• 53:02
  past 20 years. So they think that Sheryl is
• 53:06
  dealing with this in a really different way because she didn't
• 53:10
  have as much time with the love of her life as Janelle did.
• 53:15
  So that is mentioned. I don't know how much truth
• 53:20
  there would be to that. I think regardless of how long
• 53:22
  you're married to somebody, if
• 53:25
  it's going to be just as difficult.
• 53:27
  But what do I know? And Kody tries to tee it up at
• 53:30
  some comparison bed. Like his mom, Janelle had 50
• 53:32
  years, and Sheryl only had 20.
• 53:35
  someone later in life, you're going to want to save her.
• 53:37
  You're going to want more of that time.
• 53:39
  You're going to want more because you had less of it.
• 53:41
  And I'm going. Yeah.
• 53:42
  But you're also leaving out the detail about how Janelle's son
• 53:45
  also died months before her husband, which we get to later
• 53:48
  that Kody thinks his mom's more torn up about Curtis then win,
• 53:53
  and understandably so. Well, Sheryl didn't just have a
• 53:56
  child die too. I don't want to say distract,
• 53:58
  but I have another piece of this
• 54:02
  status or whatever. And so it's a bit of an
• 54:06
  assumption made on Kody's part, but I also did think that it
• 54:10
  kind of made sense. Maybe it was more me, you know,
• 54:13
  being a narcissist and reflecting on myself and as a 40
• 54:16
  some year old man going, if the stars collided and there was
• 54:19
  some natural disaster and some
• 54:21
  in love with me, then I would have less time with them than if
• 54:25
  I met them when I was, you know,
• 54:27
  And they came and creeped on me and, you know, probably
• 54:29
  sexually assaulted me or whatever the alleged situation
• 54:31
  was. They're both hard in different
• 54:37
  you've had someone in your life for 50 years, they're an
• 54:40
  integral part of your life. It's like your left arm or your
• 54:43
  right leg. And then there's this feeling,
• 54:53
  Agreed. And it's just another
• 54:56
  opportunity for Kody to talk is nonsense, right?
• 54:58
  Like, I know something and it's like, OK, well, I don't think
• 55:01
  that you're necessarily right, but it did make me reflect a
• 55:04
  little bit about the lack of love in my life.
• 55:06
  But who's here to hear that story?
• 55:08
  OK. I refuse to keep being spoken to
• 55:13
  No, no, honey, you have not fulfilled your spiritual and
• 55:20
  whatever obligation to be at least three or four sister wives
• 55:27
  I don't know how hard I can keep trying.
• 55:29
  The way you look right now with your hoodie, I would be like,
• 55:35
  well, you know, you're going to have to try a little bit.
• 55:38
  Honey, you show up to our dates looking like that.
• 55:41
  Pasta and butter stains just on my shirt over here.
• 55:46
  And around this time we also get A2 camera from Kody where he
• 55:52
  shares about how his dad was basically a strict
• 55:54
  disciplinarian when he was younger and that he didn't
• 55:57
  really feel loved from his dad. Paging Dr. Freud, I wonder why
• 56:06
  how loving his father was to him as a child, we go to the
• 56:10
  cemetery to say loving words back to him at his gravesite.
• 56:14
  This ushers in an opportunity for Meri to share a story about
• 56:18
  how Wynn was close with her father.
• 56:20
  And while they're at the gravesite, she shares a little
• 56:26
  She imagined Wynn and her father up in heaven being bosom buddies
• 56:32
  to or something like that. And then Janelle shares a story
• 56:37
  which I loved. I mean, OK, so I loved as much
• 56:43
  She talks about how her and Wynn used to butt heads all the time
• 56:47
  and how at the end of every argument she would tell them to
• 56:50
  go to hell and he would respond.
• 56:52
  I'll see you there. And I love that.
• 56:54
  It's so good. I love that dynamic.
• 56:56
  I'm wondering how playful their arguments were, how often they
• 57:00
  were real arguments or it even I
• 57:05
  imagining arguments because of their swallow it down
• 57:08
  situations with the emotions. You know, I, I don't know.
• 57:11
  What did you think? I think Janelle acted like a
• 57:13
  dude around him and he was very uncomfortable with it.
• 57:17
  Kody even says that his father
• 57:21
  is just very independent and the
• 57:25
  have liked in a woman essentially.
• 57:28
  So I think Janelle came across
• 57:35
  would shoot the shit with her more than his own wife's even
• 57:39
  wives even. I think they might have had a
• 57:44
  bond like father son type of bond but also a love hate
• 57:51
  relationship because when probably grappled with the fact
• 57:55
  that she acted the way that she acted.
• 57:58
  Yeah, like of the wives that we are familiar with on the show
• 58:01
  and all of the moms and all of
• 58:04
  definitely the one that's least likely to keep sweet.
• 58:07
  Obviously not raised in the cult
• 58:09
  And I can see that they probably
• 58:12
  their Dick and seeing who's was bigger and obviously Janelle's
• 58:14
  was. So you know, when was probably
• 58:16
  like go to hell and she said I'll see you there or the other
• 58:19
  way, you know, whatever. I can totally see that.
• 58:22
  And when Kody uses the word patriarchal, I just go like
• 58:26
  gross. I just I'm so tired of hearing
• 58:29
  patriarch and patriarchal on this show and it doesn't stop.
• 58:31
  It goes for the entire length of
• 58:34
  It sucks to be a woman in that
• 58:36
  It feels very. I'm working in a male dominated
• 58:40
  field, so I have to act like one
• 58:46
  group or to have them respect me.
• 58:48
  I think that is the vibe that I'm getting from their
• 58:52
  relationship. Yeah, to to have respect from
• 58:55
  him. She had to act a certain manly
• 59:01
  type of way to garner respect as
• 59:06
  a woman. The lack of respect for women is
• 59:10
  what it comes down to, I think.
• 59:12
  I don't know how to explain it. A lot of women will understand
• 59:28
  yourself for and kind of went ha ha ha, like one of the guys.
• 59:32
  I think that's what Janelle did with Kody's dad.
• 59:35
  It's very strange feeling and Janelle's just really good at
• 59:40
  shoving things down and putting on a front, so it doesn't
• 59:44
  surprise me that that's the relationship she had with his
• 59:47
  father. Most of our listeners, this is
• 59:51
  I think there's probably a handful of men and I would
• 59:54
  garner that at least half of them are faggots.
• 59:57
  And they also would understand the whole idea of being treated
• 1:00:01
  differently because you are effeminate or like a woman.
• 1:00:04
  And that's why I totally even though I am a leader in the
• 1:00:06
  manosphere. Have a huge alignment with
• 1:00:09
  feminism and with the way that women feel in situations.
• 1:00:12
  Because I have been in a very similar situation where I am
• 1:00:16
  treated different and I have had to acclimate or change things
• 1:00:20
  about myself and environment so that I can be treated better or
• 1:00:23
  on the same page, the same plane, the same level.
• 1:00:26
  Wind probably would have been part of the manosphere for sure.
• 1:00:32
  I'll of the dead, but probably
• 1:00:36
  I don't he wouldn't have been able to figure out how to use
• 1:00:38
  his phone though. I don't think he was much of A
• 1:00:39
  thinker, but you know, maybe. One of the OG members back in
• 1:00:43
  the day. Yeah, I, I've said this before,
• 1:00:48
  I'll say it again. Women, if your man is homophobe,
• 1:00:55
  he hates you. He hates you too, because what
• 1:00:57
  he hates about homos is that they're effeminate.
• 1:00:59
  So he hates you? And if he doesn't hate faggots
• 1:01:01
  because they're like women in the sense that they're
• 1:01:04
  effeminate, he hates them because they think about sex in
• 1:01:07
  the same way that men do. And men know how they think
• 1:01:10
  about sex and they know how they
• 1:01:13
  want to have sex with. And if they want have sex with
• 1:01:15
  women, they think less of them.
• 1:01:16
  So that gay men must think the same way about me.
• 1:01:19
  And it's like, you are just so damaged.
• 1:01:20
  You are so insecure. You have so many issues like Oh
• 1:01:23
  my God. No excuses for people like that.
• 1:01:29
  No, heaven forbid you respect someone you're having sex with.
• 1:01:32
  Like, Oh my God, OK, we are going to go.
• 1:01:34
  We are going to go off on too many tangents.
• 1:01:36
  Here, I mean, disrespect me all you want in the bedroom when
• 1:01:38
  certain there's a certain time
• 1:01:42
  Yes, save your disrespect for the bedroom where it belongs.
• 1:01:45
  Oh boy. And then Kody shares a story
• 1:01:48
  about getting coveralls as a gift from his dad.
• 1:01:51
  Here's a lot of detail here. I don't really care about the
• 1:01:53
  details. But he wanted a letter jacket
• 1:01:56
  because he was in sports. And, you know, he's a wrestling
• 1:01:58
  guy. He lettered in wrestling.
• 1:01:59
  Well, he was a state champion in
• 1:02:01
  I can't believe he didn't let.
• 1:02:03
  detail, which I remembered. And he was hoping to get a
• 1:02:06
  letter jacket. And he got a gift from his dad.
• 1:02:08
  When he opened the box, it was
• 1:02:10
  And he was, you know, so disappointed because, you know,
• 1:02:13
  I can imagine why doesn't my father know what I want?
• 1:02:15
  And he doesn't love me. And then after his dad passed,
• 1:02:18
  he's like, oh, he must have thought about how many times I
• 1:02:21
  bitched and complained about being cold up in Montana doing,
• 1:02:24
  you know, hours and hours of manual labor outside.
• 1:02:26
  And it's like, OK, so now you're
• 1:02:31
  gift in your own brain of how he was thoughtful about you.
• 1:02:34
  And I'm going, I don't even really think that that that's
• 1:02:37
  probably the case, right? Did you think it was the case?
• 1:02:41
  I don't buy it for a second. Kody says that from 8 years old
• 1:02:46
  on, he just remembers being cold
• 1:02:51
  out in negative degree weather and complaining about being
• 1:02:55
  cold. So from 8:00 until the time that
• 1:03:12
  Letterman jackets were sold at. So he had thought it was a
• 1:03:15
  Letterman jacket and it was these coveralls.
• 1:03:16
  And now he's trying to reconcile it in his brain by being like,
• 1:03:23
  me warm and it was his way of showing me he loved me.
• 1:03:28
  Bullshit, bullshit. Bullshit.
• 1:03:30
  You're trying to justify his shitty behavior and not
• 1:03:34
  listening to you and imposing his will on you.
• 1:03:37
  And I get it, it's mental gymnastics.
• 1:03:40
  It's a way of protecting yourself.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah. But why not just be honest with
• 1:03:46
  yourself at this point in your life?
• 1:03:48
  I know it's hard to do that, you know, to acknowledge or be OK
• 1:03:53
  with your parent being an unsupportive asshole and kind of
• 1:04:01
  That's hard. So it just did feel like it was
• 1:04:06
  a rewriting of history, particularly from the
• 1:04:08
  perspective of someone who's evaluating like, oh, after my
• 1:04:10
  father died, I put these pieces together.
• 1:04:12
  It's like, OK, like you said, it's some gymnastics.
• 1:04:14
  He was definitely on the balance beam and the uneven bars he was
• 1:04:18
  doing. He was tumbling on the mats.
• 1:04:19
  He was all over. My personal favorite part of
• 1:04:22
  Kody's little spiel about his dad at the gravesite was about
• 1:04:39
  And I thought, wow, how romantic.
• 1:04:41
  It's like love, true love. And I need to take this moment
• 1:04:52
  Janelle looks how Robyn's going to look in 20 years.
• 1:04:56
  So this is very important when they show flashback photos to
• 1:05:01
  Janelle and Wynne doing whatever.
• 1:05:03
  Back at the time when Janelle was younger and had dark brown
• 1:05:11
  For real, she looks like Robyn. So now Kody is talking about his
• 1:05:20
  with that Peach fuzz all over her face.
• 1:05:23
  And he's doing the same thing to her at this grave site.
• 1:05:27
  Like, oh, my mom, my beautiful mother.
• 1:05:29
  And it's like, I just got, I don't even know.
• 1:05:33
  I just was imagining doing that to my mom.
• 1:05:35
  And I'm like, Oh my God, I don't.
• 1:05:38
  It would never. I would never.
• 1:05:40
  It would never even cross my mind.
• 1:05:41
  So he's holding his letter in one hand that he's reading that
• 1:05:44
  he had written to his father, and he reaches out with his
• 1:05:49
  other hand and gently caresses his mom's face from the cheek
• 1:05:54
  down to the chin while holding the letter he's reading.
• 1:05:59
  It's very performative. It's very Kody coded.
• 1:06:04
  Putting on a show, putting on the rips like, oh, at the
• 1:06:09
  gravesite here, just putting on a show.
• 1:06:12
  It's gross. At least this time she wasn't
• 1:06:16
  eating a breakfast burrito, and he hovered over her from the
• 1:06:18
  back and took it and ate it himself.
• 1:06:20
  Being like what's my mom's is mine like God, you are just so
• 1:06:26
  Kody. It's just it all makes so much
• 1:06:30
  know, for he. Didn't turn and like nibble his
• 1:06:33
  finger delicately or anything so I was I takes his finger and
• 1:06:37
  puts it in. She takes his finger and puts it
• 1:06:45
  and Aurora's at the knees laughing like a dog.
• 1:06:50
  Oh God, this family is so messed up.
• 1:06:53
  Unlike us. Unlike us.
• 1:06:57
  Oh my God. So after we're blessed with the
• 1:07:04
  footage of Kody caressing his mother's face and touching her
• 1:07:16
  beautiful downtown Powell, WY. They're going to pop in and
• 1:07:20
  visit some former employers of Meri's.
• 1:07:22
  Oh, now, to be fair, I didn't give a fuck about any of this.
• 1:07:31
  Let's go medium on the details for this.
• 1:07:33
  OK? Like Meri's.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah. Meri's old employers.
• 1:07:36
  We're going to hang out with them for a minute.
• 1:07:39
  Take it away honey. I really teach you up for
• 1:07:44
  success on that. One, this was discussed in the
• 1:07:52
  book, they talk about John and Terry a little bit and they are
• 1:07:58
  Meri's old employers. We're going to meet them at her
• 1:08:01
  old place of employment, I guess, right?
• 1:08:03
  Yeah, Yeah, I think so. So Meri never told them that she
• 1:08:12
  them on this trip with everybody along.
• 1:08:15
  She was like, this is going to be weird.
• 1:08:17
  I never came out to them, and now I'm coming out to them after
• 1:08:22
  She had her hands in the air and she really could care.
• 1:08:27
  Such a cord. Yeah, she was very anxious to go
• 1:08:35
  We always wondered when you were going to tell us, Terry says
• 1:08:40
  that she was on a sales call one time with a customer and that
• 1:08:45
  the customer basically outed Meri to her and said, well, you
• 1:08:50
  know that Meri is a polygamist. And Terry says to this person,
• 1:09:06
  Terry was a kind human being and
• 1:09:11
  even though she apparently did.
• 1:09:13
  Meri told them that Christine was just a friend, and this got
• 1:09:19
  a little bit hairy when Christine was pregnant.
• 1:09:23
  So there comes a time when Terry saw Christine during a pregnancy
• 1:09:33
  come clean. She says oh who is that to you?
• 1:09:36
  And married says well that's
• 1:09:38
  just a friend of mine, just a friend of mine.
• 1:09:41
  Christine chimes in here and tells us how she felt during
• 1:09:43
  this time. Christine says that it was
• 1:09:46
  humiliating being pregnant and
• 1:09:49
  her marriage with Kody and be seen in town.
• 1:09:54
  She says that it was freeing once they got to be out as
• 1:09:57
  married because this time in her
• 1:10:04
  Her employer gave her an opportunity to be honest in a
• 1:10:07
  kind way, and she basically snubbed her relationship with
• 1:10:13
  Christine. I don't know what would you
• 1:10:17
  think at this moment if you'd been working for these people
• 1:10:20
  for so long and thought that they were caring and kind
• 1:10:23
  people? Kody claims that he was telling
• 1:10:26
  her for years to come out to them and that she just never
• 1:10:30
  did. Do you think it was out of
• 1:10:32
  selfishness on Meri's part that she just didn't want it to be
• 1:10:35
  about that and she liked that they liked her for her and she
• 1:10:41
  kind of was being selfish about her relationship with them?
• 1:10:45
  I don't know. I kind of felt like that was the
• 1:10:48
  case. When it comes to this family and
• 1:10:51
  the lying, I find myself at a loss.
• 1:10:56
  I was only in the closet myself as a homosexual for so long and
• 1:11:02
  didn't have the drive to lie to people about my life.
• 1:11:06
  So I have a little lack of empathy for them with all of
• 1:11:09
  this. And I kind of felt that Kody
• 1:11:11
  talking about how he wanted Meri
• 1:11:14
  little bit of the faux bravery
• 1:11:17
  like, well, I wanted us to be pure and true and honest and,
• 1:11:20
  and for some reason, Meri didn't
• 1:11:22
  And it's like, yeah, right, whatever.
• 1:11:24
  Not sure that I really believed that.
• 1:11:27
  I just, I don't know, it's just a bunch of lying and I kind of
• 1:11:31
  don't care because you're going around lying about your life
• 1:11:33
  and I, you know, OK. They couldn't be open and
• 1:11:36
  honest. I don't know.
• 1:11:38
  It sounds like Meri probably could have been with these
• 1:11:39
  people. So I just, I don't, I don't, I
• 1:11:42
  have a lack of care, I guess. I'm not buying it.
• 1:11:45
  I think my biggest take away from the whole, oh, we're going
• 1:11:49
  to meet her ex employers is that
• 1:11:54
  opportunity to be open and honest because they really
• 1:11:56
  loved her, right? They, they say how excited they
• 1:11:59
  are to see her again and they're welcoming her back with
• 1:12:03
  open arms and they kind of laugh about the whole situation.
• 1:12:09
  you going to finally come out and say it to us now?
• 1:12:12
  You're going to finally come out
• 1:12:15
  marry jokes and goes, hey, just so you know, guys, I'm a
• 1:12:20
  polygamist. And they all laugh and cackle
• 1:12:22
  about it. It's dismissive of what
• 1:12:25
  Christine says about being humiliated and walking through
• 1:12:41
  And I think Terry seems very understanding.
• 1:12:44
  I think Terry seems to be getting where Christine's coming
• 1:12:55
  imagine being pregnant and walking down the street and
• 1:12:58
  being concerned that people would know who the father of
• 1:13:02
  your child is. But I would assume most people
• 1:13:10
  because she can't acknowledge her relationship with Kody
• 1:13:13
  publicly. There's like a scarlet letter
• 1:13:16
  thing or like unwed mother vibe thing.
• 1:13:18
  So there's multiple things having to do with Christine.
• 1:13:20
  However, this scene was really teed up as this thing with Meri
• 1:13:24
  and her employers and they just kind of throw in this Christine
• 1:13:28
  tidbit because it's related because of their lying.
• 1:13:32
  I mean, I just. They were trying to make light
• 1:13:39
  whole time. Then we get a heavy thing and
• 1:13:42
  they gloss over it as they usually do.
• 1:13:45
  This is just another way of them undermining somebody else's
• 1:13:49
  feelings. And I hate to say this, and I
• 1:13:51
  know a lot of people get upset because Christine looks like the
• 1:14:00
  instance like this. It's upsetting for me on behalf
• 1:14:03
  of her. I can't imagine feeling like
• 1:14:07
  you're in this consensual relationship, yet you have the
• 1:14:17
  in society based on the role you are and the number of wife
• 1:14:23
  that you are that you have to hide it.
• 1:14:25
  And Meri gets to be public and do whatever.
• 1:14:28
  She doesn't say that she's a polygamist, but she gets to live
• 1:14:33
  this is so privileged of her. And I think that the reason she
• 1:14:36
  doesn't come out, even though these people probably would have
• 1:14:42
  They like her. If she admits who she is, then
• 1:14:47
  And they might like Christine more than her, or Janelle more
• 1:14:52
  Like gatekeeping? So I feel like it's her
• 1:14:54
  protecting a position of power within the family and within her
• 1:15:01
  Because I think Terry would have extended the olive branch to
• 1:15:04
  Christine in this situation, and I don't think Meri wanted that.
• 1:15:08
  Yeah, OK, I can see she.
• 1:15:10
  Wanted Christine to be isolated.
• 1:15:13
  It seems manipulative looking back at the situation now and
• 1:15:18
  then how they also gas like Christina again when she's
• 1:15:21
  trying to talk about how she felt at the time.
• 1:15:24
  I don't know. And tell me if this is a
• 1:15:28
  question too far and if you don't want to share, but have
• 1:15:31
  you ever been in a relationship where you had to be a secret
• 1:15:34
  where somebody wasn't out with their family?
• 1:15:36
  I love because you always, I should say, you always you tee
• 1:15:41
  have you been in this situation?
• 1:15:44
  And I'm always so unhelpful because I'm like, no, I've never
• 1:15:46
  experienced that. And I just feel like such a dud
• 1:15:49
  because I'm like, no, I don't have an interesting story about
• 1:15:52
  that. No, no, no.
• 1:15:53
  Well, while this scene was one
• 1:15:58
  trying to be light hearted and
• 1:16:02
  outing herself now years later
• 1:16:10
  example of them making light of a serious situation.
• 1:16:16
  So the only conclusion, the only
• 1:16:19
  attention to the scene as I did is because of Christine's
• 1:16:23
  feelings that were glossed over.
• 1:16:25
  So that's kind of all there is to take from the scene is that
• 1:16:31
  funny and OK when they really weren't.
• 1:16:34
  Well, and while we're on the merry train, she has planned a
• 1:16:41
  they used to live in in Montana 12 years ago.
• 1:16:45
  They put their hands in some wet cement while it was poured.
• 1:16:48
  And you know, we're all familiar with the whole thing.
• 1:16:51
  You put your hands in the cement, you write your names,
• 1:16:52
  blah, blah, blah. A lot of families do it.
• 1:16:54
  A lot of people do it different places.
• 1:16:56
  We've all if you're not familiar with it, my God Google putting
• 1:17:02
  you turn. Yourself around, that's what.
• 1:17:04
  It's all about. Oh my gosh, so 12 years ago they
• 1:17:09
  Christine, I just have such a hard time empathizing with these
• 1:17:19
  and all the adults. It was so brave.
• 1:17:22
  And I'm like, bitch, OK, hold on, hold on record, scratch.
• 1:17:25
  I don't fucking buy this for a second.
• 1:17:27
  First of all, you said that you put your hands and cement behind
• 1:17:35
  You're hiding your handprints from people.
• 1:17:37
  Also, if I saw a bunch of adults and kids handprints and cement,
• 1:17:42
  I wouldn't think anything negative.
• 1:17:43
  I would just think there's a bunch of handprints because
• 1:17:46
  whoever built this house or whoever put in the concrete, you
• 1:17:51
  I wouldn't go. How many children prints are
• 1:17:53
  there? How many adults?
• 1:17:54
  These people must have been polygamous or how brave of them
• 1:17:57
  to do this. I mean, it's just a bunch of
• 1:17:59
  shit. It's a crackpot nonsense.
• 1:18:01
  I just, I just feel like she's trying to congratulate them for
• 1:18:04
  being so brave and she says it was their first step in their
• 1:18:08
  coming out process. I'm like, bitch, you were hiding
• 1:18:19
  And you said don't pay attention to our handprints unless you
• 1:18:22
  want to know about us. I mean, it's just fucking
• 1:18:25
  stupid. I just, this whole thing, it was
• 1:18:29
  She just has this magical way of thinking of trying to like spin
• 1:18:33
  a story, just like Kody tried to spin the story of his dad
• 1:18:37
  with the overalls. She says that this is the first
• 1:18:40
  time that they made a mark of their polygamist family on the
• 1:18:48
  Yeah, fairy thinking. Yeah, well, don't bring in the
• 1:18:53
  they're real. And you aren't stating the
• 1:18:55
  accurate facts here about fairies.
• 1:18:57
  We don't want upset anybody. I'm very accurate about my fairy
• 1:19:02
  They are very real and this is a whatever I'm willing to die on.
• 1:19:07
  Oh, I'm a hill I'm willing to
• 1:19:09
  die on. Whatever The thing is where you
• 1:19:10
  die about fairies, that's what
• 1:19:13
  they're very real, that. Was my serious voice.
• 1:19:15
  I'm so serious about how I feel about fairies.
• 1:19:18
  I'm serious and I know I'm being
• 1:19:21
  about fairies and how very real they are.
• 1:19:25
  Oh my God, I swear this podcast brings some of the weirdest
• 1:19:29
  people out of the woodwork. I'm telling you, Oh my God.
• 1:19:32
  Not us though. I mean, we're totally normal.
• 1:19:34
  And why would you? Only a normal person would start
• 1:19:37
  a podcast about sister wives and
• 1:19:41
  it and talk about it like only a
• 1:19:44
  So, you know, keep that in mind.
• 1:19:46
  I want people out there to realize that my ADD ass, while I
• 1:19:53
  down many, many rabbit holes and I know a lot of weird
• 1:19:56
  fucking facts. There are a lot of people with
• 1:19:59
  ADD that know really, really weird things, niche things.
• 1:20:03
  So you might come for me on something thinking I know
• 1:20:06
  nothing when I really know way
• 1:20:11
  normal person to know. Because that's what ADD does to
• 1:20:15
  you. You go down these rabbit holes
• 1:20:18
  and you get weird knowledge and.
• 1:20:21
  Are we calling it knowledge? Are we calling the facts about
• 1:20:28
  I just, you know, I'm going to give it to you, honey.
• 1:20:32
  There's a lot of facts to know the truth about fairies and and
• 1:20:35
  we should become a we should become a legitimate source about
• 1:20:42
  This is why the people just need to ask for it and we'll give it
• 1:20:46
  to you. Please don't you want to hear us
• 1:20:52
  I'm ready. I know so many.
• 1:20:55
  Things. Oh God, please help me.
• 1:20:57
  Please help me. Just ask me.
• 1:21:00
  I do. I know so many things, Oh my
• 1:21:04
  God. I didn't happen to notice any
• 1:21:07
  fairy handprints or wing imprints on the cement.
• 1:21:10
  So, you know, Christine is a liar and a fraud.
• 1:21:13
  And you can take that to the bank where the fairies have bank
• 1:21:18
  My God. OK, We got to move on.
• 1:21:20
  We got to move on from the fairies.
• 1:21:21
  The Brown family all ventures off to some field in the middle
• 1:21:25
  of nowhere. I think it's probably on the
• 1:21:29
  ranch, right? I mean, I Lovell.
• 1:21:31
  Wyoming that. Again.
• 1:21:32
  Oh yeah, Lovell, yes. But let's call it the valve.
• 1:21:35
  I know. Yes, this is it, Kody starts
• 1:21:39
  telling us some more back story about he and his brother's
• 1:21:42
  upbringing. Curtis was the 7th of 10
• 1:21:45
  children in Kody's family. Another reminder that these
• 1:21:47
  people have huge families and all of the children were given
• 1:22:00
  all familiar with, and we all feel bad for her because of the
• 1:22:02
  pain and that she had to endure eating Janelle's sushi rolls.
• 1:22:07
  Indigestion. Oh yeah, the digestive, the food
• 1:22:11
  poisoning, pour, bowel movement.
• 1:22:12
  You know, it's funny because we are Erica fans.
• 1:22:16
  Well, I can't speak for you, Kimber, but I am an Erica fan
• 1:22:18
  and I'm a. Huge Erica fan.
• 1:22:19
  See, this is it. We like Erica and when she comes
• 1:22:26
  and lovely and wonderful. So like, and what I mean by
• 1:22:30
  redeeming is I default to redeeming because of the family
• 1:22:32
  we're talking about. Like as if she needs redemption.
• 1:22:35
  We like Erica. Erica is salt of the earth.
• 1:22:38
  Unlike some of these people. Curtis married Erica when they
• 1:22:42
  were young and he lived his life
• 1:22:46
  As we all know by this point, he
• 1:22:50
  Christian. Whatever, he did not follow
• 1:22:52
  their crazy ass path into the Celestial Kingdom.
• 1:22:56
  They reiterate that when he got married outside of the Faith,
• 1:23:00
  it was very, very hard for Wynne
• 1:23:06
  him due to the fact that, oh, he had this cowboy lifestyle and
• 1:23:11
  they just were Hardy, hard, hard boys together.
• 1:23:14
  So a little shocking that Kody, his out-of-the-box child, is
• 1:23:22
  the one that's living the lifestyle and the one that he
• 1:23:27
  related to most. Curtis diverged from the Faith,
• 1:23:32
  so kind of broke their dad's heart a little bit and separated
• 1:23:37
  the bond that Curtis and his father had.
• 1:23:39
  Kody was prancing around the little fruity theater kid
• 1:23:43
  wearing his singlet, wrestling
• 1:23:47
  touching and expressing himself in many different ways.
• 1:23:50
  And he's the one that ended up
• 1:23:53
  polygamists. Remember Kody's other brother
• 1:23:55
  who looked much older than him
• 1:23:58
  came to visit and he was also a he's?
• 1:24:00
  One of the oldest brothers, yeah, Meri, hands out bandanas
• 1:24:05
  to all of the children, and each
• 1:24:09
  of the bandanas to a fence post in honor of Curtis.
• 1:24:13
  Of course, Curtis wore bandanas.
• 1:24:15
  He was a biker. So they take the bandanas, they
• 1:24:19
  tie them on the fence post along with their well wishes to
• 1:24:22
  Curtis and in honor of Curtis. Which was cute.
• 1:24:26
  Yet again, I'm reminded that it's only been four months since
• 1:24:32
  I had nothing to make fun of with the bandanas and the whole
• 1:24:36
  fence bit. They even played some sappy
• 1:24:37
  music and I had a little bit of a feeling inside of this empty
• 1:24:44
  And I even had a little bit of feeling when Kody was having a
• 1:24:51
  should have gone to visit his brother before he passed.
• 1:24:54
  And now he feels peace for Curtis after his passing.
• 1:24:58
  But it's sad for himself, and it's sad for Erica and for their
• 1:25:04
  Kody started by saying that he was sad for himself.
• 1:25:06
  And then he had a pause and then kind of realized, oh, yeah.
• 1:25:09
  And Erica and their family, which made me go, of course,
• 1:25:12
  Kody Brown, like, yeah, whatever.
• 1:25:13
  But I did, you know, it was one of those things in the recent
• 1:25:17
  episodes, we've had these kind of, you know, we're not supposed
• 1:25:22
  Like we're supposed to remember the things that matter after
• 1:25:25
  these dramatic times. And Kody is having a reflective
• 1:25:29
  moment here, recognizing that he had thoughts about going to
• 1:25:35
  And I think we've all had those moments and we're fortunate when
• 1:25:41
  longer being here and not having the opportunity.
• 1:25:43
  But of course, we all have those thoughts.
• 1:25:46
  And then regularly, we probably don't.
• 1:25:49
  I'm speaking for everyone and I probably shouldn't be, but I
• 1:25:51
  know I don't drop everything and go visit my siblings when I
• 1:25:54
  think of them and. I think it comes down to even
• 1:25:59
  just sending that text or sending that thing to somebody
• 1:26:11
  too, actually. Like I don't mean to interrupt,
• 1:26:14
  but that is a really good suggestion for people is when
• 1:26:17
  you are thinking about seeing someone or pulling a lever that
• 1:26:20
  at the moment feels like, oh, I just can't, I'm too busy or I
• 1:26:24
  obligated and whatever. A simple communication can mean
• 1:26:27
  a lot and it's a touch point. So I think that's a good
• 1:26:31
  reminder. The best friends are the ones
• 1:26:34
  that you can go months without speaking to and pick up right
• 1:26:38
  where you left off right. I think we all feel very guilty
• 1:26:43
  for relationships where we don't reach out enough and those
• 1:26:50
  Hey I've been thinking about you.
• 1:26:51
  Would love to connect soon whenever we both have time.
• 1:26:55
  It can mean a lot if something
• 1:26:59
  You know, if I think of something late at night, I'll
• 1:27:02
  set an alarm on my phone for the
• 1:27:05
  Hey, text so and so you haven't texted him in a while.
• 1:27:08
  And at like 2:00 the next day and my phone will go off and say
• 1:27:11
  text so and so. And I'll do it because I went
• 1:27:17
  through a very, very hard time
• 1:27:21
  weren't in a great spot in our
• 1:27:24
  And it's a sickening feeling, you know, to feel like you
• 1:27:29
  didn't have the best connection when they left the earth.
• 1:27:34
  And when Kody talks about himself and how he feels bad
• 1:27:41
  when he thinks of himself and how he won't speak to Curtis
• 1:27:43
  again in this lifetime. I actually didn't think it was
• 1:27:48
  selfish of Kody. I really related to it because
• 1:27:55
  you do think of yourself when you lose someone you love.
• 1:27:58
  Of course you're thinking of yourself and how much you miss
• 1:28:00
  them. He did bring it back to Erica
• 1:28:03
  and how she's probably missing
• 1:28:07
  everyone else. And I am not going to lie, I
• 1:28:10
  lost it at this point in the episode and I paused it.
• 1:28:16
  I had to like turn the episode
• 1:28:18
  I got really, really choked up
• 1:28:23
  torn him to shreds and been like, oh, yeah, of course you
• 1:28:26
  thought of yourself and how much
• 1:28:28
  now. But it's also OK to be selfish
• 1:28:39
  loss to somebody else's. And to be in your own loss and
• 1:28:46
  And it's only been four months since he lost his brother.
• 1:28:50
  So as I would usually just, like, tear him a new asshole, I
• 1:28:56
  completely related to him during this.
• 1:28:57
  And I had to take a pause. This episode took me a very long
• 1:29:04
  I just related to Kody a lot. And this was this was one of the
• 1:29:11
  Yeah, Yeah. One of the other things that
• 1:29:15
  Kody talks about in this reflection period is realizing
• 1:29:27
  But it's relationships with the people that you love that is the
• 1:29:38
  Kody leaves us in another prayer, and during the prayer
• 1:29:42
  they start playing some cheap rendition of Amazing Grace.
• 1:29:48
  Yes, yes. And then of course, I lost it
• 1:29:51
  again because Amazing Grace is one of those songs that just
• 1:29:55
  brings me to my knees. It's one of those religious
• 1:30:00
  songs, Carrie Underwood's version of, well, something in
• 1:30:06
  playing over the song at the end, a ball.
• 1:30:08
  Like every time that I hear it. I love that song so much.
• 1:30:12
  If you have not heard something in the water, at the very end
• 1:30:16
  when she starts singing Amazing Grace over her own song, it
• 1:30:20
  takes me to another realm. It makes me feel like I'm
• 1:30:24
  transcending. It's crazy.
• 1:30:25
  So of course they had some cheap ass version of Amazing Grace
• 1:30:30
  playing. And Kody tells us that he
• 1:30:34
  believes that Curtis had a different spiritual calling and
• 1:30:37
  he does not know why God gave them each a different message,
• 1:30:49
  the entire episode for me. And I wish that more people
• 1:30:54
  could think this way. I wish that more people could
• 1:30:59
  understand that everybody has a different calling in this life.
• 1:31:02
  It doesn't matter what religion,
• 1:31:03
  it doesn't matter what place you
• 1:31:07
  you come from, where you're going.
• 1:31:09
  We all have a different path. We all are here for a different
• 1:31:13
  purpose, and we have to just be totally OK with that.
• 1:31:19
  This is probably the moment in
• 1:31:26
  could not agree more with Kody.
• 1:31:28
  And there are moments like this where he says things like this
• 1:31:44
  fed by the machine that is reality TV.
• 1:31:47
  And then I get very confused about my feelings about him
• 1:31:53
  because him saying that Curtis had a different spiritual
• 1:31:57
  calling. He doesn't know why God gave
• 1:32:00
  them each a different message, but he's fine with it.
• 1:32:03
  It blew my mind. Well.
• 1:32:06
  For a Kody message. I was going to say you've got a
• 1:32:09
  soft spot for Kody and hopefully it's not on your
• 1:32:12
  cranium, but you know, it's understandable because he does
• 1:32:15
  have these moments. I mean, I've had moments with
• 1:32:17
  him too in the show where I'm going, man, like I feel that.
• 1:32:21
  I get that. I think that that's true and
• 1:32:24
  right. And you know, like has, yeah,
• 1:32:26
  it's tough to talk about with Kody because we're usually.
• 1:32:30
  People with these like, dogmatic ideas of religion don't say
• 1:32:35
  things like this, which is part of the reason that this family
• 1:32:44
  again. This was a deep episode for me.
• 1:32:46
  There was a lot of random stuff
• 1:32:49
  touched on that reminded me why people are so fascinated with
• 1:32:54
  the Mormon religion in general
• 1:33:00
  There's something more here. And was he corrupted by this TV
• 1:33:04
  show? Was he corrupted by the
• 1:33:05
  lifestyle? Was he corrupted by Rob?
• 1:33:07
  And has he always been a narcissist?
• 1:33:10
  I don't know, but we're all asking each other and ourselves.
• 1:33:16
  What we do, you know we're what is the word?
• 1:33:20
  When you're not biased, we are.
• 1:33:23
  Unbiased. Oh yes, we are a very unbiased
• 1:33:29
  all angles, of course, and everyone always says that about
• 1:33:32
  us. We are well-intentioned.
• 1:33:33
  We give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and particularly Kody
• 1:33:39
  to hear this from you, honey. It makes sense.
• 1:33:41
  It makes sense. Well, because you haven't had
• 1:33:44
  enough Kody in your life. Don't worry honey, we're going
• 1:33:50
  After a commercial break, we see him venturing into his mom's
• 1:33:54
  house alone. They're outside doing whatever
• 1:33:59
  whatever you do on the ranch. And he decides to go in and warm
• 1:34:05
  She's sitting on the couch looking at photos.
• 1:34:08
  She's got a photo of win or something.
• 1:34:10
  She knows she wants to give him, She wants to show him, but she
• 1:34:13
  She doesn't know where it is. And it's like, yeah, we've all
• 1:34:23
  And Kody's like, right. And I'm like, oh, God, 70 ought
• 1:34:28
  children. I love 70 ought.
• 1:34:30
  You know, people do tend to have more grandchildren than
• 1:34:33
  children. So, you know, OK, the number can
• 1:34:39
  I wonder if she just doesn't know the exact numbers.
• 1:34:43
  So she says 70 aught. Maybe it's hard to keep track
• 1:34:46
  after your past 30 or 40 grandchildren.
• 1:34:48
  I, you know, once again, I, I've never experienced that.
• 1:34:52
  They have 11 kids her and when right 11.
• 1:34:56
  I mean, Kody did say that Curtis was 7 of 10, but I don't, you
• 1:35:00
  know, I don't know. I don't know if he was included
• 1:35:02
  in that. Gosh, I don't know if it.
• 1:35:04
  Matters. It's crazy when you think of
• 1:35:06
  their family tree. The tree of life.
• 1:35:11
  Kody offers to her the Tree of Life.
• 1:35:14
  Oh yeah. Lot of roots in that tree.
• 1:35:17
  The Criss crossing branches that are broken in the hanging and
• 1:35:22
  warped and. Yeah, whatever the.
• 1:35:25
  Most growing up. Crazy looking tree is that grows
• 1:35:33
  Kody offers to her that she can come and stay in Vegas with
• 1:35:37
  them for as long as she wants if she needs to get away for a
• 1:35:39
  little while, and she declines.
• 1:35:42
  She says that she's been reading Curtis's poetry and really
• 1:35:47
  missing him a lot. Yeah, it's made her melancholy.
• 1:35:50
  Oh.
• 1:35:50
  Melancholy. It's one of my favorite words.
• 1:35:53
  I get melancholy every fall. I do seasonal depression.
• 1:36:03
  Kody says that it seems like she's struggling with losing
• 1:36:06
  Curtis more than losing his dad.
• 1:36:09
  We mentioned this earlier. Kody's belief is that it's
• 1:36:14
  because you never expect to outlive your own child.
• 1:36:18
  And I started crying again. The thought of losing your own
• 1:36:31
  I'm 35 years old. I'm going to come out and I'm
• 1:36:34
  going to say it. My husband's 10 years older than
• 1:36:41
  that means for us down the line. But if you were to give me a
• 1:36:48
  ultimatum today, if I had to pick my children over my
• 1:36:53
  husband, 1000 * / I would pick my children.
• 1:36:55
  Oh. My God, I can't.
• 1:36:57
  We can. Play this.
• 1:36:58
  For him on repeat. I'm not going to play it for him
• 1:37:03
  Any? Mother, any mother would say
• 1:37:05
  this. So this is the point.
• 1:37:07
  This is the point where I kind of understood where Sheryl
• 1:37:12
  versus Janelle in the missing of Win scenario is, I get, I get
• 1:37:20
  it, you know, because Sheryl never had children with WIN,
• 1:37:25
  right? No, I don't think so.
• 1:37:27
  I don't think so. So there's also another part of
• 1:37:30
  Sheryl that maybe mourns the loss of ever being able to and
• 1:37:38
  So there are dynamics at play here.
• 1:37:42
  There really are. But I believe any mother would
• 1:37:50
  child and your children really are truly the loves of your
• 1:37:53
  life. So.
• 1:37:55
  Yeah, Janelle, I'm. Getting deep and disgusting.
• 1:38:00
  Janelle tells Kody that she just can't seem to get over losing
• 1:38:07
  Curtis. That's very understandable.
• 1:38:10
  Kody tells a story about how after his dad's funeral, they
• 1:38:16
  got back to the property and his mother's property and his
• 1:38:21
  father's property and the horses were just going crazy.
• 1:38:25
  The horses couldn't be calmed down.
• 1:38:27
  They were running around and running wild.
• 1:38:29
  And Kody believes that it was his dad and Curtis that were
• 1:38:34
  setting the horses off and making them run wild because his
• 1:38:40
  And it was a message that they were there and that they were
• 1:38:43
  still on the ranch. And the horses were usually
• 1:38:47
  calm. But the day of his father's
• 1:38:49
  funeral, they weren't. And I think that there are
• 1:38:53
  things like that that we say to comfort ourselves.
• 1:38:57
  And I think that there's also some truth to it, depending on
• 1:39:03
  And I think Kody actually said it was after both Curtis and
• 1:39:06
  Wynn's death that he noticed this.
• 1:39:08
  So it wasn't just after his dad's death, it was both of
• 1:39:11
  them. And so it was even more
• 1:39:12
  impactful to him that it was a pattern.
• 1:39:15
  Yeah. After Kody shares the story, the
• 1:39:23
  And Sheryl and Janelle talk about attending church and going
• 1:39:29
  know, they're using as an example to talk about the Sister
• 1:39:33
  Wives connection even after Wynne had passed.
• 1:39:35
  And there's an interesting connection with that for us with
• 1:39:41
  You know, Kody, when they went to the marriage counseling and
• 1:39:51
  passing, they are not still sister wives and together.
• 1:39:54
  So this is an interesting juxtaposed story where they have
• 1:40:02
  after Wynn's passing. I kind of picked up that they
• 1:40:05
  might have shared. All the examples that they have
• 1:40:09
  to a certain extent. I mean, I don't want to tear it
• 1:40:11
  apart. I know we're hot off the heels
• 1:40:15
  yeah, they go to church and they went to a movie.
• 1:40:18
  And that might be, you know, I'm not so sure that they do much
• 1:40:22
  more than that. But also they don't give us a
• 1:40:24
  reason to not believe it. I just, I find everything about
• 1:40:26
  this family suspect. So I'm kind of going, OK, we'll
• 1:40:29
  see how often they're actually together.
• 1:40:31
  We won't see. I don't think we will see.
• 1:40:34
  I think you're being cynical. I think you're being very
• 1:40:36
  cynical Here. We get a couch interview where
• 1:40:47
  good bond and how they still have family because they have
• 1:40:51
  their sister wife. I ragged a lot on them during
• 1:40:57
  the mother in law's mother-in-law episode because
• 1:41:01
  they were so emotional that obviously to me, there's still
• 1:41:11
  believe that. But I think that there's
• 1:41:14
  something about there's this weird built in friendship and
• 1:41:17
  bond that they do have and they're touching on it.
• 1:41:22
  I almost felt like it was a confession the way that it came
• 1:41:26
  out that they said, well, we have been going to church
• 1:41:31
  together and we did go to a children's movie together.
• 1:41:34
  It felt like a confession that they maybe were a little
• 1:41:39
  embarrassed that they'd actually gone and done these things
• 1:41:42
  together to bond after Wynn's death.
• 1:41:44
  That maybe they wouldn't have done this during Wynn's
• 1:41:48
  lifetime, but they've done it after.
• 1:41:50
  And we like, went out and did this thing and I started singing
• 1:42:00
  Yes, well I love that you're referencing Golden Girls 'cause
• 1:42:04
  my first thought as you were saying that was they also are in
• 1:42:08
  I mean they literally are two old ladies living out in houses
• 1:42:11
  in the middle of nowhere and maybe that is a part of their
• 1:42:15
  connection as well as I don't want to say it's geographical
• 1:42:19
  but literally they are on like
• 1:42:21
  of nowhere. And so they might just be people
• 1:42:23
  that can depend and support each
• 1:42:27
  this sister wife connection. Regardless of that if they are
• 1:42:30
  truly friends like Golden girls and they check in on each other
• 1:42:33
  and support each other. So I was being too cynical.
• 1:42:35
  You are right, honey. We've been put out to pasture,
• 1:42:39
  we're on the shelf like a can of
• 1:42:43
  to have the cheesecake whenever we want it and tell stories
• 1:42:48
  about the olden days. Yes, yes, picture it. 2013
• 1:42:53
  Montana. Absolutely.
• 1:42:56
  Kody wraps up the episode by summarizing how the challenging
• 1:42:59
  recent events in their family only emphasizes the importance
• 1:43:03
  of this commitment. Ceremony slash non vow renewal
• 1:43:07
  slash party, backyard gathering,
• 1:43:12
  whatnot Ness that the problems
• 1:43:17
  to the precious times they spend
• 1:43:21
  You know, now I can you know, I'm saying that a little silly,
• 1:43:23
  but that's the take away of the episode.
• 1:43:25
  That's what we're supposed to have garnered from this.
• 1:43:27
  I feel as though I have garnered
• 1:43:31
  And let's say it's that, you know, it's a way to wrap up this
• 1:43:35
  episode that made you cry several times and I was like,
• 1:43:39
  got it, you know, whatever. So there's that, you know?
• 1:43:43
  Fighting is trite. Fighting is trite.
• 1:43:47
  There's anything I've learned over the last two episodes it's
• 1:43:49
  that trite is a good word, and
• 1:43:55
  Well, and this is the thing about trite, so the reason that
• 1:43:57
  I've been confused by it and I
• 1:44:02
  an asshole in this episode, I'm I'm going to mansplain to
• 1:44:06
  everyone what trite means. OK, Trite is an idea, phrase, or
• 1:44:11
  expression that is boring, unoriginal, and lacking in
• 1:44:14
  sincerity because people have used it far too many times.
• 1:44:17
  So This is why even Kody's use
• 1:44:22
  not actually. No.
• 1:44:25
  See, and I know I'm splitting hairs here, but I just can't
• 1:44:28
  give Kody the credit that he thinks he deserves, OK?
• 1:44:30
  Trite does not necessarily mean that, oh, there's significance
• 1:44:35
  here, that we're downplaying or something.
• 1:44:36
  Trivial is what he means. Yeah, he's agreed that would be
• 1:44:42
  a much better word than trite.
• 1:44:45
  who am I? I'm just a deadbeat loser who
• 1:44:47
  has a Sister Wives podcast. Disgusting.
• 1:44:50
  Don't listen to me. Don't listen even though you're
• 1:44:52
  listening right now. Don't listen to me.
• 1:44:54
  No, you're right. Because they grab on to one word
• 1:44:57
  for a couple of episodes and we hear it repeatedly for a couple
• 1:45:00
  of episodes and we giggle and chuckle about it because it's
• 1:45:03
  funny. Then they don't use it again.
• 1:45:06
  Yeah, and they're using it inappropriately during the time
• 1:45:12
  we need to compile a list, because I am fairly certain
• 1:45:15
  there's a list of at least 10 words at this point that they've
• 1:45:18
  used incorrectly for a couple of
• 1:45:22
  moved on from. This is one of those words.
• 1:45:25
  You're 100% correct. Yeah, after this episode, will
• 1:45:28
  we No, will we have two more, at
• 1:45:31
  season because we do actually have to have this non vowel
• 1:45:34
  renewal, non ceremony, non party
• 1:45:37
  And I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:45:40
  times while describing activities and scenarios.
• 1:45:44
  And then by season 7, we probably will never hear Trite
• 1:45:47
  again. You.
• 1:45:48
  Are correct. We've now entered the final
• 1:45:52
  chapter. Oh God, dare I say the Janelle
• 1:45:55
  slash Sheryl chapter of our podcast episode?
• 1:46:01
  I'm so bad. I am so bad.
• 1:46:05
  I am the Dorothy of this episode
• 1:46:07
  So it's time for mustard seed and shit stain.
• 1:46:10
  As always, not as always as what
• 1:46:13
  raised me right and I'm part of the manosphere.
• 1:46:15
  I'm going to tee up to you that your mustard seed should come
• 1:46:18
  first. Who are you going to bless with
• 1:46:21
  your beautiful mustard seed this
• 1:46:24
  Is it going to be shocking? Is it going to be appalling?
• 1:46:29
  It's definitely not trite. I am going to give my mustard
• 1:46:35
  seed to Kody. Is this our first?
• 1:46:40
  I feel like I've asked this before.
• 1:46:41
  Have we given him a mustard seed?
• 1:46:43
  But The thing is, we don't keep score, you know?
• 1:46:44
  So. One of us has, maybe both of us,
• 1:46:47
  maybe you, maybe I. One of us has.
• 1:46:50
  And we've said this. Well, it's a shock.
• 1:46:54
  You know, he had a couple of really hard hitting moments for
• 1:46:58
  me where he spoke about religion
• 1:47:05
  not mattering in the grand scheme of things and that
• 1:47:09
  God's plan for everybody is what it is and it need not affect
• 1:47:13
  you. As long as you love the person,
• 1:47:18
  it's fine. I'm not a very religious person.
• 1:47:23
  I was raised very religiously.
• 1:47:29
  a lot. And I think that the world as a
• 1:47:31
  whole, if we all understood that
• 1:47:37
  better off. There wouldn't be all the shit,
• 1:47:43
  half the shit going on in the world if people just respected
• 1:47:46
  each other's purpose in life and
• 1:47:50
  your own and respected each other's just purpose and mindset
• 1:47:56
  and just there is no need to fight over it.
• 1:48:00
  I don't understand that, you know, and I respect Kody for
• 1:48:05
  saying that, especially for being somebody from a religion
• 1:48:11
  as dogmatic as theirs. So there was that.
• 1:48:17
  I do like the fact that he went in and spoke to his mother
• 1:48:20
  privately and asked her how she was and offered a space for her
• 1:48:23
  to come stay if she felt lonely.
• 1:48:26
  Yeah, I think that was kind, caring.
• 1:48:28
  Not a lot of people do that nowadays to their own family.
• 1:48:33
  A lot of people would avoid asking that for the fear of
• 1:48:38
  somebody saying, yes, please let me come stay with you.
• 1:48:41
  He didn't do that. He went and offered up a space
• 1:48:51
  being selfish, even though other people might think he was.
• 1:48:58
  All of his emotions were valid
• 1:49:00
  Missing his brother. The fact that this was only four
• 1:49:03
  months after his brother's passing and he had this insight
• 1:49:11
  is huge to me after losing my best friend.
• 1:49:16
  Granted wasn't my sibling. She felt like my sibling.
• 1:49:21
  I was a hot mess express, I was making horrible decisions and I
• 1:49:24
  was a train wreck. Granted, I was a lot younger,
• 1:49:27
  but I just have a lot of grace
• 1:49:30
  So I don't know. I'm giving my mustard seed to
• 1:49:33
  Kody Brown and it's here, it's
• 1:49:39
  It's not going to flourish, it's
• 1:49:41
  We know it's a dud, but I'm putting it out there into the
• 1:49:46
  universe. Well, maybe that mustard seed
• 1:49:49
  will be like an oak tree in Las Vegas and it would never
• 1:49:51
  survive without being literally watered by landscapers.
• 1:49:54
  Or use yourself as a homeowner.
• 1:49:56
  So. Maybe 10 years from now, he'll
• 1:50:01
  You never know. You never know.
• 1:50:03
  What about you? Give me your mustard seed.
• 1:50:07
  Oh, Mustard Seed's tough on this one.
• 1:50:09
  You know, I want to default to giving it to Curtis, although
• 1:50:13
  that doesn't feel right. And then I think, oh, what about
• 1:50:19
  wasn't even in this episode, so I feel as though I'm going to
• 1:50:23
  give it to Janneel because Janelle gave them that huge dry
• 1:50:28
  sandwich when they arrived, which was very generous of her.
• 1:50:31
  Delicious.
• 1:50:32
  She also was candid, considering
• 1:50:35
  that living room alone, you know, although she had that
• 1:50:38
  disgustingly perverted story about how she met her husband.
• 1:50:42
  She did, you know, eventually redeem herself by being so
• 1:50:48
  candid and honest about even though she didn't say a lot, she
• 1:50:52
  did say that she was having a hard time getting over Curtis
• 1:50:55
  and reading his poetry. I did have a head scratch moment
• 1:50:58
  where I'm going. I wonder what Curtis's poetry
• 1:51:00
  was. But that was just me being a
• 1:51:02
  judgmental homosexual. You know, she was being honest
• 1:51:05
  with Kody, I felt in these conversations, and I felt bad
• 1:51:08
  for her. So maybe it's kind of a sympathy
• 1:51:11
  mustard seed. Let's go with that.
• 1:51:12
  Like I felt bad for Janelle even
• 1:51:15
  you know, even. With her honesty about her
• 1:51:18
  perverse relationship with a PITA.
• 1:51:24
  It's a family show. It's a family show.
• 1:51:27
  It really is. So is this podcast.
• 1:51:31
  So now it's time for shit stains.
• 1:51:33
  And I definitely have a few that
• 1:51:36
  worried about which one you're
• 1:51:39
  I alluded to it earlier, it's going to the same person as the
• 1:51:42
  last episode. Love me or hate me, still an
• 1:51:47
  obsession. Love me or hate me, it's
• 1:51:49
  Janelle. Where do I even start with this?
• 1:51:53
  First she stopped herself from
• 1:51:59
  Janelle's bond with Curtis. She stopped the couch interview
• 1:52:06
  went hardened herself to for John.
• 1:52:15
  She couldn't even talk about a
• 1:52:20
  and get emotional and let it happen.
• 1:52:23
  It's like she was channeling Win
• 1:52:27
  didn't like it. Yeah, I just think about the
• 1:52:33
  moments that they showed her with her mom, where, OK, we're
• 1:52:38
  at the property and we're getting all these heartfelt
• 1:52:41
  moments with Kody and his mom.
• 1:52:46
  Janelle and her mom and Janelle comforting her mom.
• 1:52:51
  We got a teeny tiny morsel of it, but not much.
• 1:52:56
  I think about the edit and maybe
• 1:52:59
  didn't show her and her mom bonding over wins loss.
• 1:53:06
  I don't know. She keeps falling short for me.
• 1:53:09
  And it also makes me think we've
• 1:53:14
  for the weight loss and being open and honest about her weight
• 1:53:17
  loss journey. But to be frank, that's a little
• 1:53:21
  superficial. She doesn't ever really get deep
• 1:53:25
  with us about why weight loss has been hard for her, about why
• 1:53:30
  she's had disordered eating. We've talked about that a lot,
• 1:53:34
  about how we wish she would even
• 1:53:37
  journey with us. She hasn't.
• 1:53:40
  She's just superficial all around with her emotions with
• 1:53:44
  us. She gives us these little tiny
• 1:53:46
  things. She stays non problematic enough
• 1:53:49
  that nobody hates her. But she also doesn't go deep
• 1:53:54
  into her emotion. And the last couple of episodes
• 1:53:58
  it's been very apparent to me that she is so uncomfortable
• 1:54:02
  with emotion in a way that has
• 1:54:06
  children. So yeah, she's getting my shit
• 1:54:10
  stained for a second week in a
• 1:54:12
  And I think that it's just been very apparent to me the last
• 1:54:15
  couple of episodes that if she
• 1:54:20
  emotions, how can she handle her
• 1:54:25
  Christine was the mom to her children while she was away at
• 1:54:29
  work to her children. Have an outlet with Christine.
• 1:54:32
  I don't know, but she just obviously isn't great with
• 1:54:36
  emotion and it makes me really, really wonder about her growth
• 1:54:41
  as a person. Yeah, I don't have any
• 1:54:44
  disagreements with anything that
• 1:54:46
  I think that that basically sums
• 1:54:50
  emotions and expressing her feelings.
• 1:54:53
  So and you know, spoiler alert, that doesn't really change much.
• 1:55:01
  years in the future today, and
• 1:55:05
  in her life. And when she's talking about it,
• 1:55:07
  she's like, I don't really like to, you know?
• 1:55:09
  You know, it is, but it is. And it's like, Oh my God, bitch.
• 1:55:12
  Like, So. Yeah.
• 1:55:14
  What about your schmear, darling?
• 1:55:17
  I want to give it to Christine
• 1:55:21
  concrete. You know, we were coming out,
• 1:55:23
  blah, blah, blah. But I'm not going to.
• 1:55:26
  I'm going to take the High Road and I'm giving it to Aurora.
• 1:55:29
  That child, that bitch, that loser.
• 1:55:33
  Well, I shouldn't say loser because we're losers.
• 1:55:35
  That scum sucking rodent. Aurora.
• 1:55:38
  OK, kneeling at the foot of Grandma Janneel.
• 1:55:45
  Inappropriate. Find your space, girl.
• 1:55:48
  Get in that space and don't leave it.
• 1:55:52
  The whole pick me vibes. Absolutely.
• 1:55:54
  She is modeling behavior after
• 1:55:57
  She is right up in there. Multiple times in this episode.
• 1:56:00
  There were several scenes where her face had that eager Beaver
• 1:56:04
  look that is hard to describe.
• 1:56:08
  I just want to wipe that off your face.
• 1:56:10
  I don't even know what it is, but you are too enthusiastic
• 1:56:14
  about something that you shouldn't be.
• 1:56:16
  And frankly, at 9 or 10 years old, however old you are, 12, I
• 1:56:19
  don't know. You should know that that's not
• 1:56:21
  OK because people should have bullied you in school.
• 1:56:24
  You should have been harassed by
• 1:56:27
  Someone should have pushed you
• 1:56:29
  like, stop, Aurora. Stop.
• 1:56:32
  So Aurora, she gets my shit stained and she definitely
• 1:56:36
  earned it. Oh my.
• 1:56:37
  God. You know.
• 1:56:41
  Oh, I feel like usually I'm the one that's giving the children
• 1:56:43
  the the issues and getting in trouble for it.
• 1:56:46
  Love you Aurora. We all know children that we
• 1:56:50
  love to hate. Aurora is one of them.
• 1:56:54
  Our Keep Sweep moment this week comes to us from YouTube, a
• 1:56:58
  comment left by Brittany Lopper.
• 1:57:00
  And this is on our rewatch of Season 6 Episode 1.
• 1:57:03
  So this is a Wayback Machine moment, picking up the pieces.
• 1:57:10
  the embarrassment of sticker shock and still buying because
• 1:57:14
  It's happened to me and I felt so stupid and gullible.
• 1:57:18
  But honestly, it's really a rude business tactic and doesn't
• 1:57:21
  surprise me at all that Robyn would do that.
• 1:57:23
  And This is why we're picking. This is because, yeah, fuck
• 1:57:27
  Robyn. And also we've all been there.
• 1:57:30
  And then like, Oh my God, this is that much this cost.
• 1:57:32
  And it's like, oh, what do I do now?
• 1:57:34
  And now I'm in this and I don't know what to do.
• 1:57:36
  So I'm just going to pay for it. And it's wrong.
• 1:57:39
  It's against God's law. You need to put prices on your
• 1:57:43
  business and you're doing these tactics, I'm shaming you right
• 1:57:48
  It really is. It's embarrassing.
• 1:57:50
  One of my goals in life is to go to a store and never have to
• 1:57:55
  look at a price tag and never have to think about it and just
• 1:57:59
  be able to walk up to a counter with whatever I like in the
• 1:58:02
  store. And they tell me the cost and I
• 1:58:05
  go OK and just shrug my shoulders as Robyn Brown does
• 1:58:09
  every day, even though she really fucking shouldn't.
• 1:58:13
  I want to be able to do that because I have enough money to
• 1:58:22
  It, oh Lord my God. My God, never going to be tried
• 1:58:27
  in my book.