Latest / The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast / Racing Toward Joy and Away From Pain: ☀️ EnneaSummer Track Eight
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- 0:05SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Inea Summer Mystery Series, a special storytelling journey from Simply Wholehearted.
- 0:12SPEAKER_00: Over these nine special episodes, I'm inviting you to step into someone else's shoes, to feel their hopes, fears, and longings before you even know their Enneagram type.
- 0:26SPEAKER_00: It is a fun guessing game, but also the invitation is this: to hear your own story differently.
- 0:35SPEAKER_00: To experience how grace, truth, and transformation meets you right where you find yourself.
- 0:43SPEAKER_00: If you love Jesus in the Enneagram, well, you have found the right place, and I know you'll feel right at home.
- 0:50SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Amy Wicks, your wholehearted coach and guide by the side.
- 0:56SPEAKER_00: Let's begin.
- 1:06SPEAKER_00: Imagine you're waking up on vacation with a jam-packed itinerary.
- 1:12SPEAKER_00: You've planned every moment for fun.
- 1:14SPEAKER_00: You have added adventure and loads of memory making.
- 1:18SPEAKER_00: And you're the one who's there to keep things light, keep everyone moving, and helping everyone find the next great experience.
- 1:27SPEAKER_00: You're the planner, the dreamer, the one who turns even ordinary days into something extra.
- 1:33SPEAKER_00: But underneath all that energy, there's a quiet fear of missing out, a pull towards the next thing, even when this moment is jam-packed full.
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: Today I'm inviting you to step into the heart of someone who is learning to stop chasing every opportunity and start savoring the magic that's already right in front of them.
- 1:57SPEAKER_00: Can you guess which personality type I'm talking about?
- 2:01SPEAKER_00: Well, let's take a walk through their world.
- 2:08SPEAKER_00: It's supposed to be the trip of a lifetime.
- 2:10SPEAKER_00: We're at Walt Disney World.
- 2:12SPEAKER_00: Par copper passes in hand, matching t-shirts, backpacks loaded with snacks, and the perfect plan to squeeze in everything.
- 2:21SPEAKER_00: Magic Kingdom in the morning, Epcot for Lunch, Hello, International Eats, Animal Kingdom by mid-afternoon for the iconic safari ride.
- 2:29SPEAKER_00: And if we can time it right, we can make it back to Hollywood studios for fireworks and churros before bedtime.
- 2:35SPEAKER_00: I love this kind of day.
- 2:37SPEAKER_00: I live for it.
- 2:38SPEAKER_00: Fast-paced, fun, full of possibilities.
- 2:42SPEAKER_00: And yet, here I am, standing in line for Space Mountain, clutching my iced coffee that's already gone lukewarm, scrolling through the app to see wait times, texting our friends to see where they are, and already thinking about tomorrow's itinerary.
- 2:58SPEAKER_00: My brain is buzzing and it's buzzing loud.
- 3:01SPEAKER_00: What if I'm missing something?
- 3:03SPEAKER_00: Should we skip the fireworks to get to the new roller coaster instead?
- 3:06SPEAKER_00: What if the restaurant we picked isn't actually the best one?
- 3:09SPEAKER_00: Should we just grab a quick bite and keep moving?
- 3:12SPEAKER_00: I glance around at my family.
- 3:14SPEAKER_00: They're laughing, sweaty, fully immersed in the moment.
- 3:17SPEAKER_00: And suddenly I feel it.
- 3:19SPEAKER_00: I have got to get out of here.
- 3:21SPEAKER_00: I need to escape.
- 3:24SPEAKER_00: I ponder my idea to sneak away for a bit.
- 3:27SPEAKER_00: I could just find a quiet corner, maybe even a stairwell on Main Street, hidden between the shops.
- 3:33SPEAKER_00: A nap sounds heavenly.
- 3:36SPEAKER_00: I just need 30 minutes to reset, to stop thinking, to breathe without anyone needing anything from me.
- 3:42SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I almost make my escape.
- 3:45SPEAKER_00: I almost get away with it.
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: But something in me pauses.
- 3:51SPEAKER_00: I know this pattern.
- 3:52SPEAKER_00: The running, the numbing, the way I disappear right when life is asking me to stay.
- 3:58SPEAKER_00: I stop in my tracks.
- 4:00SPEAKER_00: My heart is racing, the sweat is definitely dripping, and I realize I'm holding a half-melted dole whip.
- 4:07SPEAKER_00: And then it dawns on me.
- 4:08SPEAKER_00: I'm about to sabotage my entire day.
- 4:12SPEAKER_00: Not because the magic isn't here, but because I keep believing there's always something better.
- 4:18SPEAKER_00: Just out of reach.
- 4:25SPEAKER_00: The parade music still blaring in the background, and my family hasn't yet noticed I'm not around.
- 4:31SPEAKER_00: I pray a quick whisper under my breath.
- 4:34SPEAKER_00: Jesus, please help me stay in this moment.
- 4:37SPEAKER_00: Help me to not want to run and to just pick one thing and fully enjoy it.
- 4:46SPEAKER_00: I continue to take my deep breaths.
- 4:49SPEAKER_00: I throw the now melted dole whip in the trash.
- 4:53SPEAKER_00: And instead of heading for that secret stairwell, I decide to go back towards my family.
- 4:59SPEAKER_00: We finish the line that we started, and then we choose one next thing to do.
- 5:05SPEAKER_00: It's a slow ride, something that we can all do together.
- 5:08SPEAKER_00: I tuck my phone away, I put my plans aside, and I choose here, this moment, not because it's perfect, and not because I have all the things, but because there's joy to be had here in this moment exactly as it is.
- 5:55SPEAKER_00: Who is caught between wanting to soak up the magic, yet wanting to be everywhere else at once?
- 6:01SPEAKER_00: Is it a type 3, a type 7, or a type 9?
- 6:10SPEAKER_00: If you guessed an Enneagram 7, you're correct.
- 6:14SPEAKER_00: Sevens are known to be vibrant, playful, and endlessly curious.
- 6:19SPEAKER_00: They are often the personality types that are planning the next vacation, the next party, the next big idea that will make life feel just a little more exciting.
- 6:30SPEAKER_00: But under all that fun and spontaneity is a fear, a fear of being trapped in pain, missing out, and the fear that sitting still might mean sitting with something they don't want to face that they're not ready to face.
- 6:47SPEAKER_00: And any Graham 7's greatest desire is to feel satisfied and content, to believe they can experience joy without having to chase it down.
- 6:57SPEAKER_00: But that is often hard to achieve.
- 6:59SPEAKER_00: In fact, that is why they struggle with gluttony, not just in food or possessions, but in the endless craving for new experiences, adventure, excitement, always hoping that the next great thing is going to fill their emptiness.
- 7:19SPEAKER_00: A seven longs to hear that they will be taken care of, but they often believe they have to keep moving to stay safe and happy.
- 7:29SPEAKER_00: Now, when a seven goes on their whole-hearted journey and learns to live in health, they pause, they savor, they stay present, just like our friend did in the middle of the swirl at Disney World.
- 7:41SPEAKER_00: And in the end, a seven can discover the kind of joy that isn't fleeting.
- 7:46SPEAKER_00: Rather, it's rooted, grounded, and satisfyingly enough.
- 7:52SPEAKER_00: Healthy sevens can teach the rest of us something that we might forget.
- 7:57SPEAKER_00: The joy isn't about chasing the next adventure or filling every moment with excitement.
- 8:02SPEAKER_00: It's about learning to stay steady, even when life feels like it's spinning fast.
- 8:07SPEAKER_00: Healthy seven reminds us that fun and freedom are beautiful things, but they're not the whole story.
- 8:13SPEAKER_00: True satisfaction doesn't come from constant motion, but from rootedness, gratitude, and presence.
- 8:22SPEAKER_00: Now, I want to introduce you to someone who knows exactly what it's like to live in this world of excitement, possibility, and overwhelm.
- 8:31SPEAKER_00: My wholehearted friend Charlotte has experienced the beautiful highs of a life full of adventure and opportunity.
- 8:37SPEAKER_00: She's also experienced the quiet ache of wondering if she's missing something deeper.
- 8:43SPEAKER_00: In her work with my trusted, wholehearted coach Deanna Sudom, Charlotte began to uncover what was driving her constant motion, and she learned how to shift from chasing joy to receiving it.
- 8:56SPEAKER_00: Her story is full of honesty, humor, and the kind of freedom every Type 7 longs for.
- 9:03SPEAKER_00: And here's Charlotte sharing her journey in her own words.
- 9:11SPEAKER_01: Hi, my name is Charlotte, and I live in the Midwest.
- 9:15SPEAKER_01: Yes, the very flat Midwest part of the good old USA.
- 9:20SPEAKER_01: And this is my wholehearted journey.
- 9:23SPEAKER_01: If you're like me and you like a good hot cup of coffee, I would encourage you to pause this, go grab a cup, and then we'll get going.
- 9:33SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can tell, but I'm a people person, and quality time is definitely my love language.
- 9:39SPEAKER_01: So I really wish you were here sitting with me and we were talking face to face.
- 9:43SPEAKER_01: Or maybe we were on a long car ride where we could just talk for hours.
- 9:47SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't that be fun?
- 9:49SPEAKER_01: But more than anything, I hope that just listening to my story will encourage you.
- 9:55SPEAKER_01: Well, this story begins in January of 24, and I was exhausted, physically and emotionally.
- 10:06SPEAKER_01: I was working a job that I absolutely loved, but it required that I carry two phones and work long hours with high expectations.
- 10:15SPEAKER_01: I had been in this job almost three years, and although it was quite rewarding, and I really liked the company, I was needing to get my life in a better balance.
- 10:25SPEAKER_01: On top of the hectic pace, I had been estranged from one of my children for about four years.
- 10:31SPEAKER_01: And this, as you can imagine, was so difficult to comprehend.
- 10:36SPEAKER_01: There was nothing that I could point to that would explain this distance.
- 10:41SPEAKER_01: And trust me, I had relived every conversation and every action.
- 10:46SPEAKER_01: I prayed for God to show me what could have caused this distance, but nothing that warranted cutting me out of their life came to mind.
- 10:54SPEAKER_01: And if I'm honest, it was like a death, but they were still alive.
- 11:00SPEAKER_01: Part of this experience was reminiscent of an extremely difficult marriage that I had lived in for nearly 20 years.
- 11:07SPEAKER_01: And although I had experienced a lot of healing and forgiveness, it did bring back a lot of the pain.
- 11:16SPEAKER_01: I had wonderful and encouraging promises that the Lord would bring this child back to me.
- 11:21SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know Ezekiel 36, 26, but it says, I will give them a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in them.
- 11:30SPEAKER_01: I will take out their stony, stubborn heart and give them a tender, responsive heart.
- 11:36SPEAKER_01: Well, what a verse.
- 11:38SPEAKER_01: I clung to that promise.
- 11:40SPEAKER_01: But the weight had become so difficult.
- 11:43SPEAKER_01: And I would often thank God for the work I knew he was doing, but would also ask that if he was willing, I would sure love to not be an old lady when that child came back.
- 11:55SPEAKER_01: So, as I said, it was January of 24, and I actually wrote in my journal, my heart is heavy and I need hope.
- 12:06SPEAKER_01: Hope that you are working.
- 12:08SPEAKER_01: I was overwhelmed and so weary that I told my husband that I felt like I really needed to talk to someone, someone out of my normal life, someone who could bring a fresh perspective, wisdom, and of course, biblically based guidance and hope.
- 12:25SPEAKER_01: Well, shortly after this conversation, I had the blessing of running into my friend, Amy Wicks, the host of the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
- 12:34SPEAKER_01: I knew she was a coach who used the Enneagram as a tool to help people heal and thrive and be more of who God had created them to be.
- 12:43SPEAKER_01: I had several friends who'd had the benefit of working with her and their lives were changed.
- 12:49SPEAKER_01: Of course she was kind and compassionate, and she listened to what I said I needed, but she suggested I talk to another coach, Deanna, who would walk through some of the same things I had.
- 13:01SPEAKER_01: She was remarried and now she had a blended family.
- 13:05SPEAKER_01: I agreed, and I'm so glad I did.
- 13:09SPEAKER_01: Deanna was patient and listened well as I poured out my heart to her, and I remember I even cried a time or two, something that I really rarely do, especially because in my previous marriage, if I expressed any sorrow or tears, it never brought any hope or change.
- 13:26SPEAKER_01: So you really just stopped showing that part of you.
- 13:29SPEAKER_01: I realized that I had kept so much inside because I always needed to be the strong one for my job and for my family.
- 13:38SPEAKER_01: Deanna brought validation to my pain, and she walked with me through the journey.
- 13:44SPEAKER_01: You know, the enemy loves to make you feel like you are such a fill in the blank.
- 13:49SPEAKER_01: But Deanna would speak truth over me, and it really was like water for my soul.
- 13:55SPEAKER_01: She saw and she heard the weight I was carrying, and she encouraged me to rest in God's grace.
- 14:03SPEAKER_01: I remember the first time she asked me to be completely quiet before the Lord.
- 14:08SPEAKER_01: Just sit in silence and wait for anything he wanted to tell me or show me.
- 14:15SPEAKER_01: Honestly, it was one of the hardest things I had done in a long time.
- 14:20SPEAKER_01: I think it was like 10 or 15 minutes, but you would have thought it was like two hours.
- 14:26SPEAKER_01: I remember one of the things he showed me during those quiet moments, and it kind of seemed silly at the time, but it was a white swing.
- 14:36SPEAKER_01: You know, like you would see on a porch of an old house.
- 14:40SPEAKER_01: It could hold two or three people, and it was just swaying quietly in the breeze.
- 14:46SPEAKER_01: I had no idea why I saw this, and I remember telling Deanna about it.
- 14:51SPEAKER_01: It was very calming, and I knew overall that the Lord was really just assuring me that He alone could carry my burdens.
- 15:01SPEAKER_01: I often think of that verse in Psalm 46, 10.
- 15:05SPEAKER_01: Most of us know it as be still and know that I am God.
- 15:09SPEAKER_01: But the translation that I read says, cease striving and know that I am God.
- 15:16SPEAKER_01: I clearly have a tendency to be a striver.
- 15:20SPEAKER_01: God was using Deanna to help me slow down and to have permission to rest.
- 15:25SPEAKER_01: I know that may sound crazy, but I had worked so long at trying to take care of everything and everyone and to do it all well.
- 15:34SPEAKER_01: She also helped me to work at peeling back the layers so I could truly see who God had created me to be and to embrace it.
- 15:43SPEAKER_01: With every Enneagram test I took, which she used to help me and handout that she would give me to read, it seemed to almost always point to a two.
- 15:53SPEAKER_01: But somehow that didn't seem quite right to me.
- 15:56SPEAKER_01: It felt like in a way I had learned to live as a two because of my approximately 20-year marriage to someone who kept me walking on eggshells.
- 16:05SPEAKER_01: It was like more of a trauma reaction, really.
- 16:09SPEAKER_01: Often denying my own needs and emotions was what I was doing while focusing on the needs of others.
- 16:16SPEAKER_01: Somehow I guess this made me feel loved and appreciated, and if it were okay, if they were okay, then I could find a little peace.
- 16:24SPEAKER_01: Honestly, if I did all the things that I knew to do with the right facial expression and at the right time, it also brought peace in my marriage.
- 16:34SPEAKER_01: How exhausting, right?
- 16:37SPEAKER_01: I believe that chapter of my life actually stifled me from who God created me to be, and there was so much more He had for me.
- 16:45SPEAKER_01: Sometimes the number seven would get close to the same results as the two, but I always felt like the seven, frankly, sounded a little irresponsible.
- 16:54SPEAKER_01: I would remind Deanna of my age and how long I had been a Christian, and that I knew life was not all about fun and adventure.
- 17:01SPEAKER_01: Plus, I saw the seven as maybe someone who lived with FOMO, fear of missing out.
- 17:07SPEAKER_01: Finally, after looking at so many descriptions for the Enneagram, Deanna sent me another option.
- 17:14SPEAKER_01: She shared a link from Gospel for Enneagram, and it highlighted what it's like to be a two and a seven in the workplace.
- 17:25SPEAKER_01: And there were many things on the two list that really fit me, but this time the seven list really seemed to hit the nail on the head.
- 17:35SPEAKER_01: It said that sevens were good at networking, they were fast learners, they liked to challenge the status quo, and they think they have more time than they actually do to accomplish their plans.
- 17:48SPEAKER_01: Oh boy, a friend just pointed this out to me.
- 17:51SPEAKER_01: I rarely leave room for margin.
- 17:54SPEAKER_01: I really just like to schedule, schedule, schedule.
- 17:58SPEAKER_01: I can be there in 15 minutes and zip from thing to thing, and it's really not the wisest way to live.
- 18:05SPEAKER_01: It also said that sevens make sure fun is the team norm.
- 18:10SPEAKER_01: And I'm in charge of team building events at work.
- 18:14SPEAKER_01: Imagine that.
- 18:16SPEAKER_01: I think this link opened my eyes to some positives with the seven.
- 18:20SPEAKER_01: I also realized that with the work of the Holy Spirit, sevens can become more focused and they can put value on wisdom and discipline, which are so important to me.
- 18:30SPEAKER_01: Plus, they become more accepting of all of life.
- 18:33SPEAKER_01: The good, the bad, happy, and sad.
- 18:37SPEAKER_01: And I've certainly experienced all of those.
- 18:40SPEAKER_01: I think the Corey Tinboom quote, hold everything in your hands lightly, otherwise it hurts when God tries your fingers open, has really spoken to me.
- 18:51SPEAKER_01: I continue to hold things much more lightly, knowing that my striving, it's worth nothing.
- 18:57SPEAKER_01: For he is God and He is in control.
- 19:02SPEAKER_01: This all started to resonate with me.
- 19:04SPEAKER_01: I realized I do tend to fill myself up with experiences.
- 19:08SPEAKER_01: I'm almost always the optimist, putting a positive spin on everything.
- 19:13SPEAKER_01: Plus, I love to plan fun things for my family and friends.
- 19:17SPEAKER_01: In fact, I just planned a girls' weekend in September, and I'm actually counting down the days.
- 19:22SPEAKER_01: I know I must be careful though, because sometimes this can exhaust me if the fun is out of balance.
- 19:29SPEAKER_01: I remember that God doesn't want me to run from pain or cover it up with good times, but to slow down, rest, and let Him bring the healing.
- 19:40SPEAKER_01: Because of all that God has done, I now schedule times of rest.
- 19:45SPEAKER_01: It's sometimes an ongoing challenge, but it's a discipline that has been a huge blessing.
- 19:51SPEAKER_01: I now have a different job with one phone, and I work four days a week.
- 19:56SPEAKER_01: I try not to fill that day off with lots of to-dos, but to carve out time to listen to God and rest.
- 20:04SPEAKER_01: And remember the story of the white swing?
- 20:06SPEAKER_01: Well, I went on a trip to Florida several months after God showed me that swing, and my husband and I went to the beach, a beach we'd been to many times, but we went to a different area of the beach, and we saw this big covered porch overlooking the ocean.
- 20:23SPEAKER_01: And on this big porch was a white swing, and it was moving slowly in the breeze.
- 20:32SPEAKER_01: And I must say, it was such a picture of rest.
- 20:36SPEAKER_01: And I thought back to what God had shown me, and I was so thankful.
- 20:41SPEAKER_01: We sat on that bench, or that swing rather, and we looked out at the ocean in quietness for so long, and it was just such a picture of who God is and how He alone can bring the rest.
- 20:56SPEAKER_01: Lastly, my child came back.
- 20:59SPEAKER_01: Yes, praise the Lord.
- 21:01SPEAKER_01: It is one of the greatest blessings.
- 21:04SPEAKER_01: So I want to just say, whatever you are going through, keep praying and trusting the Lord.
- 21:09SPEAKER_01: He is faithful.
- 21:11SPEAKER_01: I hope my story encourages you to do the work that God has for you.
- 21:16SPEAKER_01: Figure out who He created you to be.
- 21:19SPEAKER_01: I'm glad He made me a seven, and I'll keep entertaining with joy, but continue to practice quiet and rest, realizing that I cannot change anyone.
- 21:29SPEAKER_01: I'm limited, but He is not.
- 21:31SPEAKER_01: Oh, and FYI.
- 21:33SPEAKER_01: I no longer have FOMO.
- 21:36SPEAKER_01: Now I actually enjoy moments of JOMO, joy of missing out.
- 21:40SPEAKER_01: Because now I like to rest, not pack my schedule quite as much, and I'm resting in who God made me to be.
- 21:49SPEAKER_01: Thanks for letting me share my story Did you catch that moment?
- 21:59SPEAKER_00: The moment when Charlotte realized her worth wasn't found in how many good things she could fit into her life, but her willingness to simply be in the moment.
- 22:08SPEAKER_00: That's the hidden invitation for every Enneagram 7 to stop chasing more and start savoring what's already here, right now.
- 22:18SPEAKER_00: Her story reminds me that joy isn't something that we have to manufacture or map out.
- 22:24SPEAKER_00: It's something that you and I are invited to receive, not after the next vacation, not after the next goal is met, but right here, right now.
- 22:34SPEAKER_00: If you've been feeling that same restless energy, that tug towards what's next, this moment is for you.
- 22:43SPEAKER_00: To take a breath with me, to center yourself, to ground yourself, and be fully present in this moment.
- 22:52SPEAKER_00: So breathe in.
- 22:55SPEAKER_00: I am here.
- 22:57SPEAKER_00: Breathe out, and this is enough.
- 23:04SPEAKER_00: Lord, when my mind races towards the next adventure, the next thrill, the next distraction, remind me that the life I am longing for isn't out there somewhere.
- 23:16SPEAKER_00: It's here.
- 23:18SPEAKER_00: Teach me to slow down, to savor the beauty of the moment that you've given me.
- 23:23SPEAKER_00: Help me to release the grip of constant planning and doing, and instead anchor me in contentment, gratitude, and peace.
- 23:35SPEAKER_00: May I learn to carry joy gently, not chasing it, but letting it grow naturally in the quiet places of my heart?
- 23:47SPEAKER_00: Friend, as you head back into your day, I wonder, what part of these stories sparked something in you?
- 23:54SPEAKER_00: Was it the thrill of chasing after everything at once?
- 23:58SPEAKER_00: The tug of war between excitement and exhaustion?
- 24:01SPEAKER_00: Or maybe the tender moment when she realized the magic wasn't in the next adventure, but choosing presence right where she found herself.
- 24:12SPEAKER_00: If that story stirred something familiar in you, I would love to walk alongside you to guide you towards a more grounded, joy-filled living.
- 24:25SPEAKER_00: You don't have to do it alone.
- 24:27SPEAKER_00: You don't have to figure it out on your own.
- 24:29SPEAKER_00: There is a way forward to live in the joy of adventure and the contentment of right now.
- 24:37SPEAKER_00: Take your first step at simply wholehearted.com forward slash Enneasummer.
- 24:42SPEAKER_00: You can get a free guide specific for your Enneagram 7 type.
- 24:45SPEAKER_00: And then as you go through that process, you'll be invited to book a clarity call if you're ready to take that next step towards true contentment and freedom.
- 24:56SPEAKER_00: This is your invitation to stop chasing and to find the joy waiting for you right now.
- 25:05SPEAKER_00: So this, my friend, is the heartbeat of Simply Wholehearted.
- 25:09SPEAKER_00: We're all broken, we're all blowing it, but the brave one, she does something about it.