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The Complicated Legacy of Behold a Pale Horse (Pt. 1) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Win true insurance. Did I'm a check out both the audult.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host this week. Ooh,
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  Speaker 2: my favorite co host of all no co host I
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  Speaker 2: am going it alone today and last week. If you
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  Speaker 2: are a subscriber to the bonus episodes, you know that
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  Speaker 2: last week's episode was also a solo episode where we
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  Speaker 2: talked about a guy named Milton William Cooper who is
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  Speaker 2: the author of a seminal conspiracy theory book called Behold
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  Speaker 2: a Pale Horse. And last week's episode was all about
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  Speaker 2: the man who wrote the book Behold a Pale Horse.
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  Speaker 2: This week's episode and the next free episode are both
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  Speaker 2: going to be about the book itself, Behold a Pale Horse.
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  Speaker 2: If you're listening to this podcast but have never read
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  Speaker 2: that book, or have not at least heard of that book,
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  Speaker 2: I would be genuinely surprised. It is arguably the most
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  Speaker 2: influential conspiracy theory book ever published. If your favorite rapper
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  Speaker 2: has ever named checked the Illuminati, and they have, they
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  Speaker 2: probably first read about it in this book, or at
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  Speaker 2: least if you're my age and have a favorite rapper
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  Speaker 2: that's the case. I'm sure these young bucks just learn
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  Speaker 2: about the Illuminati on TikTok or something. But the popularity
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  Speaker 2: of this book has not been at all diminished by
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  Speaker 2: the rise of the Internet and social media. As I record, this,
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  Speaker 2: Behold a Pale Horse holds a very modest overall sales
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  Speaker 2: ranking of twenty nine thousand and thirty two in the
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  Speaker 2: Kendle Store, but it's number four in the UFO category
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  Speaker 2: on the Kendle Store, number six in the Media Studies
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  Speaker 2: category on the Kendle Store, and number four in the
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  Speaker 2: Occult UFOs section overall on Amazon. Not too shabby for
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  Speaker 2: a book that is more than thirty years old, I
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  Speaker 2: would argue, as I mentioned on last week's Bonus episode,
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  Speaker 2: this was the first conspiracy theory book I ever read.
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  Speaker 2: It's the first conspiracy theory book a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: ever read. It's a book that first gained popularity among
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  Speaker 2: the prison population, especially in New York. I wasn't in
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  Speaker 2: a New York State prison in the early nineties, so
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  Speaker 2: I won't claim that I learned about it that way.
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  Speaker 2: But I was listening to a ton of rap music
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  Speaker 2: in the mid nineties, and that was a surefire way
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  Speaker 2: to get yourself exposed to Behold a Pale Horse and
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  Speaker 2: the New World Order conspiracy theory, that's a big one.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily start with this book, but Behold a
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  Speaker 2: Pale Horse is definitely the beatles On ed Sullivan moment
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  Speaker 2: for the New World Order conspiracy. That's the point where
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  Speaker 2: people really started paying attention and worrying and talking about
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  Speaker 2: how worried they were about it. A lot of the
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories that carry on to this day either got
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  Speaker 2: their start from Behold a Pale Horse or were revived
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  Speaker 2: by Behold a Pale Horse. There's some stuff in this
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  Speaker 2: book that has been around so long it was discredited
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  Speaker 2: by the time this book came out, to the point
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  Speaker 2: that some of the things in here were almost completely forgotten.
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  Speaker 2: And then along came Behold a Pale Horse to bring
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  Speaker 2: him roaring back into the public consciousness, thanks a lot,
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  Speaker 2: Bill Cooper. So that's what we're focusing on this week again,
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  Speaker 2: the specific theories in the book Behold a Pale Horse. Again.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to know more about the guy who
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  Speaker 2: wrote this book, who is absolutely a character, his name
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  Speaker 2: again is Milton William Cooper. I just call him Bill.
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  Speaker 2: Most people just call him Bill. But for more background
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  Speaker 2: on him, you can either listen to last week's bonus
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  Speaker 2: episode if you haven't already, or go read the book
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  Speaker 2: Pale Horse Rider by Mark Jacobson, which is a twenty
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  Speaker 2: eighteen book that profiled Milton William Cooper and it digs
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  Speaker 2: pretty deep into not only his background but also his
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  Speaker 2: life after Behold a Pale Horse. It's an interesting figure.
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  Speaker 2: But as for us right now, let's get into the
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  Speaker 2: theories in this book again. This is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a two part episode. This is a six hundred plus
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  Speaker 2: page book. You don't want me talking about all of
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  Speaker 2: it at once, not without someone else here to do
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  Speaker 2: the cut him up in the yuck yucks, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the first things you have to understand
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  Speaker 2: about Behold a Pale Horse is that, while it does
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  Speaker 2: again clock in at a lengthy six hundred plus pages,
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  Speaker 2: only about half of it is original writing by Bill Cooper.
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  Speaker 2: If that the rest is just documents and reports and
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  Speaker 2: files that Cooper thinks prove his point presented in their
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  Speaker 2: entirety in some cases. And that's especially true in the
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  Speaker 2: first chapter of this book, which is a stone cold classic.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. That sure is
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  Speaker 2: a cool name, so cool that Wu Tang affiliate Killer
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  Speaker 2: Army named an entire album after it. This is, for
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  Speaker 2: all intents and purposes, a lot of people's introduction to
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  Speaker 2: the concept of the Illuminati that happens in this chapter
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  Speaker 2: of this book. Aside from an introduction where Bill Cooper
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  Speaker 2: says that the copy of the document he shares in
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  Speaker 2: this chapter was found in an IBM copier that was
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  Speaker 2: purchased at a surplus sale in nineteen eighty six, and
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  Speaker 2: a few notes scattered here and there, which mostly amount
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  Speaker 2: to Cooper confirming that he agrees with what you are reading.
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  Speaker 2: This entire chapter is just a document called Silent Weapons
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  Speaker 2: for Quiet Wars that was not written by Bill Cooper,
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  Speaker 2: but according to him, and according to the document both,
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  Speaker 2: what it is is a formal declaration of war by
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  Speaker 2: the Illuminati on the citizens of the United States. More specifically,
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  Speaker 2: Cooper says, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars is the official
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  Speaker 2: doctrine adopted by the Policy Committee of the Builderberg Group
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  Speaker 2: during its first meeting in nineteen fifty four. I know
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  Speaker 2: I haven't mentioned it yet, but Cooper's version of the
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  Speaker 2: Illuminati was essentially born in nineteen fifty four. That's when
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  Speaker 2: all of the secret societies of the world that had
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  Speaker 2: been jockeying for position in the race to guide world
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  Speaker 2: events in their favor decided to team up under one
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  Speaker 2: umbrella called the Builderberg Group. And according to Bill Cooper,
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  Speaker 2: the builder Berg Group is the secret government that has
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  Speaker 2: been ruling us all ever since. Behind the scenes. Fun fact,
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  Speaker 2: as mentioned on this week's episode of Unpopular Opinion, not
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  Speaker 2: only is the Builderberg Group still powering on, they are
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  Speaker 2: back to working in the office. COVID shut down their
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  Speaker 2: annual meeting the last two years, which is weird. You'd
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  Speaker 2: think they'd know how to work around COVID, seeing as
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  Speaker 2: how they invented it, but nope, it got them too.
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  Speaker 2: But no worries though, because the Builderberg Group is back
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, their meeting is happening again. And listen,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not for one single second going to pretend the
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  Speaker 2: Builderberg Group isn't a huge cause for concern. It really
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  Speaker 2: is heads of state, heads of corporations, and the American
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  Speaker 2: and British intelligence communities coming together one on a year
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  Speaker 2: to decide how life is going to go for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us. That year and when you add to
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  Speaker 2: that the fact that the proceedings are so secretive most
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  Speaker 2: journalists have given up trying to cover it in any
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  Speaker 2: meaningful way, and that this year's meeting is headed up
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  Speaker 2: by the current head of the CIA. This group probably
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  Speaker 2: is indeed the closest thing we have to an Illuminati
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  Speaker 2: operating in this world. But also that's kind of how
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  Speaker 2: you know the Illuminati doesn't exist, and if it does,
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  Speaker 2: jay Z for sure isn't in it. Jay Z is
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  Speaker 2: rich and powerful, but he's not attend the Builderberg Group
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  Speaker 2: meetings rich and powerful, and we know that because the
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  Speaker 2: builder Berg Group isn't a secret they operate in secret,
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  Speaker 2: and that's concerning. But also we do at least know
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  Speaker 2: who they are. You can look up lists of people
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  Speaker 2: who've attended Builderberg Group meetings and damn if Beyonce hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been there even once. Still, all that said, I don't
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  Speaker 2: trust the builder Berg Group further than I can throw
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  Speaker 2: them individually or as a group. I acknowledge that they
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  Speaker 2: are most likely not good for the world, but that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean silent weapons for Quiet Wars is an actual
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  Speaker 2: declaration of war by the Builderberg Group against American citizens
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  Speaker 2: in fact, for the longest time, people assume Bill Cooper
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  Speaker 2: just wrote it and didn't admit to it. Part of
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  Speaker 2: that has to do with the fact that if you
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  Speaker 2: read it, you are likely to be struck with the
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  Speaker 2: overwhelming sense that this was not written by the representative
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  Speaker 2: of a suave secret government in the nineteen fifties. Now
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  Speaker 2: it reads like the rantings of a lunatic. And that
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  Speaker 2: is not at all helped by the fact that Bill
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  Speaker 2: Cooper in Behold a Pale Horse chose to randomly put
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  Speaker 2: words of this text in all caps, with no rhyme
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  Speaker 2: or reason to it at all. And here's a confusing
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  Speaker 2: detail that should give you some pause. If you are
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  Speaker 2: a true believer in the Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars text,
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  Speaker 2: if you are one of those people who read this
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  Speaker 2: and and thought, yep, that's what's happening, this explains it all.
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  Speaker 2: Consider this. On last week's Bonus episode about Bill Cooper,
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned that a lot of what's in this book
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  Speaker 2: started with him allegedly seeing a treasure trove of secret
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  Speaker 2: documents in the office of his superior when he was
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  Speaker 2: in the Navy back in the nineteen sixties. Documents that
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  Speaker 2: covered all sorts of secret knowledge like what really happened
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  Speaker 2: to JFK He was shot with a shellfish toxin pellet
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  Speaker 2: by his limo driver, Thanks for asking. But he also
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  Speaker 2: says he saw documents about the Builderberg Group in that
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  Speaker 2: office and that his memories of that were confirmed when
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  Speaker 2: this copy of Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars was found
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  Speaker 2: in an IBM printer in nineteen eighty six. Now, according
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  Speaker 2: to Bill Cooper, the Builderberg Group is a secret government
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  Speaker 2: that is in fact so secretive the real government doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know about it. But also what he's saying is that
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  Speaker 2: despite the Builderberg Group being a secret government that is
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  Speaker 2: so secret the real government doesn't know about it, the
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  Speaker 2: real government did somehow have a bunch of files about
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  Speaker 2: that secret government that is so secret the regular government
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know about it. Well, then where'd the files come from?
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  Speaker 2: If the real government doesn't know the secret government exists,
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  Speaker 2: why did they have files about the secret government. The
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  Speaker 2: explanation for that discrepancy is that this isn't a document
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  Speaker 2: written by a secret government, as mentioned in the Mark
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  Speaker 2: Jacobson book Pale Horse Rider. In the early two thousands,
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  Speaker 2: an outlet called Paranoia Magazine started looking into the origins
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  Speaker 2: of this document and traced it back to a man
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  Speaker 2: named Hartford van Dijk, who, fittingly enough, was in prison
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  Speaker 2: on conspiracy charges at the time. He took credit for
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  Speaker 2: writing the document and fast forward to now. If you
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  Speaker 2: search around online, you'll find standalone copies of Silent Weapons
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  Speaker 2: for Quiet Wars that credit Hartford van Das as the author.
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  Speaker 2: In his letter to Paranoia Magazine, he took issue with
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  Speaker 2: them calling Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars a quote paranoid manifesto,
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  Speaker 2: because he said it was a work of sociopathy. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: here's a quote. It begins as a logical sociopathic work
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  Speaker 2: that ends as an emotional sociopathic work. Being as it
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  Speaker 2: is about war, the subject matter had to be sociopathic.
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  Speaker 2: End quote. And let me tell you now, that sounds
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  Speaker 2: like the words of the person who actually wrote Silent
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  Speaker 2: Weapons for Quiet Wars. And Van Dyke says the copy
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  Speaker 2: that ended up at that surplus sale in nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: six is probably one he gave to a hitchhiker that
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  Speaker 2: he picked up in the nineteen eighties who turned out
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  Speaker 2: to be a soldier who has to be dropped at
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  Speaker 2: a military base near where that surplus sale eventually happened,
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  Speaker 2: So sorry, true believers. Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars was
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  Speaker 2: almost certainly not written by the Builderberg group. But on
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  Speaker 2: the bright side, they still probably rule the world. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to take that away from them. They just
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  Speaker 2: don't write rambling manifestos about it. Who would they be
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  Speaker 2: sending that thing to anyway? Oh so many questions, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Chapter two, Secret Societies in the New World Order. The
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  Speaker 2: second chapter of this book is probably the one that
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  Speaker 2: contains the highest volume of original Bill Cooper writing. It's
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  Speaker 2: basically him running through the entire history of secret societies.
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  Speaker 2: He says, the first one was called the Brotherhood of
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  Speaker 2: the Snake. And here's the thing that's fucking cool. That's
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  Speaker 2: a cool name. The Brotherhood of the Snake worship Lucifer
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  Speaker 2: and saw personal enlightenment aka illumination. Lucifer is the bringer
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  Speaker 2: of light, you see, hence the name Illuminati. Cooper says.
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  Speaker 2: The Brotherhood of the Snake formed around four thousand BCE
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  Speaker 2: in response to an enormous stellar explosion that filled the
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  Speaker 2: night sky with light. Eventually, the Brotherhood of the Snake
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  Speaker 2: split off into a bunch of different groups, who all
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  Speaker 2: then re united under the Builderberg Group banner. Thousands of
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  Speaker 2: years later, in nineteen fifty two, now at the point
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  Speaker 2: this book was written, Cooper claimed the Builderberg Group consisted
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  Speaker 2: of the following diverse names and faces. The Vatican, the
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  Speaker 2: Nazi Party, the KKK, the Jews, the Freemasons, the Roshania
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  Speaker 2: of Afghanistan, the Mithras, the Builders, the Brotherhood, the House
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  Speaker 2: of Wisdom at Cairo, the Communist Party, the De Malay Society,
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  Speaker 2: the P two Lodge of Italy, the Knights of Malta,
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  Speaker 2: the CIA, the Jason Scholars, the Jason Society, the Jason Group,
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  Speaker 2: Jason Maraz, the Kabbala, the Knights of Columbus, the Columbus
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jackets, the Jesuits, the Ancient and Mystical Order of
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  Speaker 2: Rosa Crucee, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Group Chapter
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  Speaker 2: three twenty two, the Brotherhood of the Dragon Imagine Dragons, Rucians,
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  Speaker 2: the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the
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  Speaker 2: Russell Trust, the Skull and Bones, the Scroll and Key,
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  Speaker 2: Wendy's and the Black Nobility, and I only made up
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  Speaker 2: like four of those. The rest all actually alleged to
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  Speaker 2: be part of the Builderberg Group by the author of
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  Speaker 2: behold a pale horse. So that part of the chapter
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  Speaker 2: is all interesting and informative, I suppose, But then it
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  Speaker 2: gets into the predictions for the future and everything falls apart,
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  Speaker 2: specifically the prediction that NASA's Galileo spacecraft was in fact
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  Speaker 2: a thermonuclear device that was scheduled to detonate inside the
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  Speaker 2: core of Jupiter on the last day of nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 2: and this was going to be heralded by the people
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  Speaker 2: behind the Builderberg Group as the dawn of a new religion,
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  Speaker 2: which would be announced by President Bush the first at
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  Speaker 2: the Egyptian Pyramids. Oh, also, global warming is a lie
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  Speaker 2: and the real problems that we're looking down the barrel
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  Speaker 2: of a new ice age and blowing up Jupiter would
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  Speaker 2: heat the planet enough to prevent that. Remember when all
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  Speaker 2: of that did not happen on the last day of
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, none of it, not a single bit.
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  Speaker 2: It makes up a lot of other wild claims in
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  Speaker 2: this chapter, like how once a year the Russians meet
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  Speaker 2: with reps from the Builderberg Group to discuss that year's agenda.
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  Speaker 2: In that one year it included colonizing space, and that
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  Speaker 2: he is in possession of satellite images of a secret
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  Speaker 2: base inside a crater on the moon, but somehow that
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  Speaker 2: picture is not in this book. There are pictures in
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  Speaker 2: this book. He very easily could have inserted a photo
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  Speaker 2: of said bass inside a crater on the moon, but
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  Speaker 2: he didn't. She didn't. That's fine, Why would you you know? Also,
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  Speaker 2: he says Russia has to meet with the Builderberg group
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  Speaker 2: in submarines because it's the only way they can't be
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  Speaker 2: recorded or tracked. And my question is, why would they
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  Speaker 2: care if anyone's recording or tracking them. They are the
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  Speaker 2: secret government that is ruling the entire world. Who's going
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  Speaker 2: to undo that some lookie Lou at the NSA is
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  Speaker 2: going to overhear their conversation and bring it all crumbling down?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. Seems unlikely if they are as
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  Speaker 2: powerful as Bill Cooper makes them out to be. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that over hearing their talks with Russia would
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  Speaker 2: really do that much to slow down operations, but what
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  Speaker 2: do I know. In this chapter he also gets into
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  Speaker 2: all the points where the number thirteen is present on
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  Speaker 2: the US dollar. There's thirteen leaves in the islive branches,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen bars and stripes, thirteen arrows, thirteen letters in e
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  Speaker 2: pluribus unam, on and on and on, and people always
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  Speaker 2: bring this up and point to it being a Freemason
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  Speaker 2: thing or an Illuminati thing, because the number thirteen is
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  Speaker 2: very important to Freemasons. But also we do remember there
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  Speaker 2: were thirteen original colonies, right, that could also be the
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  Speaker 2: foundation that the thirteen blocks in the pyramid on the
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  Speaker 2: back of the dollar represent could be those original thirteen colonies.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Anyway, Chapter three, Initiation of an Unidentified Secret Order.
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  Speaker 2: If chapter two is an example of Bill Cooper actually
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  Speaker 2: holding up his end of the I wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: bargain by you know, writing, then chapter three is its
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  Speaker 2: polar opposite. The chapter again is called Oath of Initiation
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  Speaker 2: of an Unidentified Secret Order. Bill Cooper makes it clear
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  Speaker 2: that he does not make any claims as to the
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  Speaker 2: authenticity of the oath presented in this chapter. He says
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  Speaker 2: a woman handed it to him and that it was
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  Speaker 2: something her son had to pledge allegiance to before joining
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  Speaker 2: some unknown secret society. But also he got a copy
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  Speaker 2: of it from a doctor Ron Brown, who said it
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  Speaker 2: came from the Congressional record of the House of Representatives
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  Speaker 2: dated February fifteenth, nineteen thirteen, where it was entered as
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  Speaker 2: purported to be from the Knights of Columbus. But then
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  Speaker 2: Bill Cooper says that might not be right, because the
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  Speaker 2: content of this oath makes it seem like it probably
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  Speaker 2: comes from either the Society of Jesus aka the Jesuits
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  Speaker 2: or the Knights of Malta. Whatever the case. He says,
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  Speaker 2: he just included it so you the reader knows beyond
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  Speaker 2: a shadow of a doubt that blood oaths to secret
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  Speaker 2: societies like this do indeed exist, even if he can't
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  Speaker 2: even prove the one he's using as an example is
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  Speaker 2: real or who it belongs to. This chapter should have
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  Speaker 2: been jettisoned from the book. It should have been cut
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  Speaker 2: out and thrown into the ocean. It is nonsense. The oath,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to check out the book and read it,
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  Speaker 2: is pretty crazy. For one thing, it says the person
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  Speaker 2: taking this oath is bound to it even when they
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  Speaker 2: are a cadaver, which, yeah, that seems easy to enforce.
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  Speaker 2: But also there's nothing indicating where it came from, if
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  Speaker 2: it's real, if any group actually makes anyone pledge this oath,
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  Speaker 2: or someone just wrote this thing up for the funds,
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  Speaker 2: no clue, no clue. And at the end of that
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  Speaker 2: chapter he gets off into a thing that I've expressed
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  Speaker 2: my frustration about on this podcast many times. I'm referring
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  Speaker 2: to that thing where a conspiracy theorist type will in
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  Speaker 2: a book or video or whatever say something along the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: lines of, I'm just presenting the evidence you decide for yourself.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: In this case, the specific line he gives in regards
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: to that oath document is you must be the ultimate
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: judge of its authenticity. The truth will win. And you
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: know what, he's wrong. It's actually his job to determine
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the authenticity of something like that, and it's a job
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: he neglects pretty badly in that chapter. And you see
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that in even more dramatic fashion in the next chapter,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: which is called Secret Treaty of Verona in parentheses precedent
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and positive proof of conspiracy. Now that's a wild claim.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: He is saying that what you're going to read in
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: this chapter is absolute proof that a conspiracy of the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: type he's referring to actually exists. In this case, it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: more congressional record stuff, this time from February nineteen sixteen,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: and that congressional record cites a document that was quoted
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and entered into the Congressional record, but that originally appeared
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: in a publication called the American Diplomatic Code. And this
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: document records a Senate conversation about something called the Secret
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Treaty of Verona, which is an alleged treaty agreed to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in eighteen twenty two that allowed the deposed European monarchies
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to continue ruling behind the scenes, but with elected officials
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and elections still happening to appease the public and make
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: them think they actually have some say in things. The
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: theory is called the Black Nobility, which again great name,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and that is exactly what Bill Cooper is describing in
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: this book is a secret group of leaders who actually
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: run things, while the people we vote for just kind
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of act as figureheads to playcadus and make sure we
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: don't revolt over having no more say in anything that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: happens in the world. Ever. Again, unfortunately, this document that
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Bill Cooper says is proof positive of a conspiracy is
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: actually a well known forgery. And it took me about
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a minute of research to find that out. And I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: know what you're thinking, sure, but Adam, you have the Internet,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and Bill Cooper did not well for starters. Yes he did.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: He died in two thousand and one. Sure, the Internet
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't that robust in nineteen ninety one when this book
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: came out, but he had a lot of Internet years
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: following that, even if it still wasn't quite the research
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: tool it is now. But also regardless of that, the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: source I found that calls out the Secret Treaty of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Verona as a forgery is from nineteen thirty five, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the fact that it's damn near ninety years old but
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: also on the Internet should tell you it's not from
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: some obscure and hard to find publication. It's an article
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: called the Secret Treaty of Verona news paper forgery from
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the September nineteen thirty five edition of the Journal of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Modern History. It's written by a guy named T. R. Schellenberg,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: who I've never heard of, but is described as having
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: ideas that are quote part of the foundation for archival
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: theory and practice in the United States end quote. There
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is absolutely zero chance Bill Cooper did not see this
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: article at some point prior to publishing this book, in
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: which case you should have lots of questions about his
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: motivation for still writing this section the way he did
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: because reminder, he subtitled this chapter precedent and proof positive
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of conspiracy. If he didn't see this article at any
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: point while researching this chapter, you should have lots of
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: questions about his research skills, if nothing else. Whatever the case,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I'll link to the tr Schollenberg article just to heads up.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You'll have to pay twenty dollars to do your own
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: research with it, but I'll link to it. I will
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: tell you that he goes pretty hard in the paint,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: citing all sorts of valid reasons why the Secret Treaty
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: of Verona is bullshit, with my favorite being this one
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that'll quote verbatim here goes. The sixth article contained an
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: anachronistic reference to the war with Spain, which had not
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: yet begun at the supposed time of the signature of
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the treaty end quote. Whoops. It's a pretty glaring error
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: referencing a war that had not yet happened. He also
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: mentions at the end of the article that lots of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: historians used to reference the Secret Treaty of Verona as
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: being the impetus for the Monroe doctrine, but that most
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: people realize now that is incorrect. And again now meaning
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirty five, So he wasn't the only person even
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: way back then who realized the Secret Treaty of Verona
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: was a forgery. I'll also link you to an academic
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: journal from nineteen seventy one that mentions the Secret Treaty
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of Verona being a fabrication. Apparently Bill Cooper, the granddaddy
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of the do your own research movement, was terrible at
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: doing his own reas search. Either that or he's just lying,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and I'm leaning toward that explanation personally. Something that came
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: up on last week's Bonus episode was that Behold a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Pale Horse first gained popularity among the New York prison population,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and that happened at the exact same time the crack
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: epidemic hit its peak in New York. There were more
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: than five thousand murders in New York between nineteen ninety
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and nineteen ninety one, and at that exact moment, In
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: ways that no one can explain to this day, this
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: book just starts making the rounds in New York prisons.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: What makes me uneasy about that is something I haven't
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: mentioned yet about this book, which is that at several
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: stops along the way, Bill Cooper implies or straight out
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: says that there is nothing that can be done to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: stop what he claims is happening in this book. I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: don't think this book was trying to disseminate information. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: think it was trying to extinguish hope. Something about reviving
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the secret Treaty of Verona decades after it had been
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: dis credited and citing it as proof of why your
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: claims are real just makes me not trust Bill Cooper,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: even if he did eventually get murdered by the government,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And this chapter isn't the last time that he would
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: revive a previously discredited and highly controversial document in this book.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: More on that later. Chapter five, Goodbye USA, Hello New
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: World Order. This is a very confusing chapter. It starts
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: with Bill Cooper explaining how the Constitution works literally, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: then he argues that things like executive orders, which used
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to be called national security directives, have allowed the executive
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: branch to usurp the Constitution because executive orders amount to laws,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and the executive branch isn't supposed to make laws. And
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you know what, I reckon that's true, but it also
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: seems like a completely different issue than a secret government
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is controlling the world, because again, in this scenario, it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the for real government doing all the bad, not the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: secret government, but they're apparently doing it to achieve the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: goals of the secret government that the real government doesn't
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: even know about. Of course, FEMA comes up in this section.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Cooper's argument is that at any moment now, as a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: result of some unnamed national emergency, FEMA will show up
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and wrestle control away from local and state governments, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that they'll only be able to do that if the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Constitution is suspended and martial law is declared. From there,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: he asserts that once the constitution has been suspended and
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: FEMA takes control, our secret government will announce their ascension
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: to our real government, and that the new government will
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: be based in Bluemont, Virginia, at the now relatively well
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: known Mount Weather Facility. In both cases, he's employing a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: classic conspiracy theory tactic here by taking a thing that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: already does and should exist, and acting like its existence
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: in and of itself is controversial. Take FEMA, for example.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Reflect on your true crime documentaries for a moment. What
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: happens when, say, a massive crime happens in a small
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: town where local officials aren't really equipped to handle it properly.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Usually the FBI is gonna swoop in and either outright
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: take over the investigation or at least help out in
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: whatever way they can. Why in the hell would something
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: like that not exist for natural disasters? If you live
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: in a town of twenty five hundred that is protected
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: mostly by a volunteer fire department, who are you going
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to call if something happens that's beyond their ability to handle? Trump?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You gonna call Trump. No FEMA shows up in those instances,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: at least you better hope they do. It's dependent on
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: where you live in the country. They might not might
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: right New Orleans. As for Mount Weather, it's where the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: government goes if the government has to go somewhere. Politicians
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: were taken there by helicopter on nine to eleven. Again,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: where do you want them to go? Starbucks, Buffalo, Wild Wings.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they'd prefer it that FEMA in Mount Weather
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: both exist. Makes perfect sense, But Behold a pale Horse
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: presents the existence as proof of a secret government conspiracy,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and like, don't believe it. Your real government is evil enough,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and there are things you can do to fight them. Anyway,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: get a load of the title of chapter six. You're ready.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Chapter six Hr. Forty seventy nine in FEMA a tool
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that can be used to establish the police state. Patriots
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and tax protesters. You must never be found at home
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: on any holiday. Your life depends on how well you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: can obey that rule. No shit, that seems to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the entire title of chapter six, like Fiona Apple wrote it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Either that or Bill Cooper is really bad at making
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: it clear where chapter titles end and where the actual
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: chapter begins. I'll accept either answer. This chapter of the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: book is where the idea that someday FEMA is going
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to round up true patriots and send them off to
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: one of many concentration camps conveniently located around the country.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: This is where that idea gained popularity. But once again,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean this. This is where the idea started.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: In the book, Bill Cooper reprints word for word a
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: pamphlet written by a guy named doctor William R. Papst
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: called Concentration Camp Plan for US Citizens, and that pamphlet
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is the genesis of the FEMA concentration camp theory. But
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: it took Bill Cooper to make this theory a talking
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: point among the mainstream right wing, which is a phrase
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I just made up, but you know what I mean,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: For lack of a better way to put it, I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: think this book was supposed to start something. It shows
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: up on the scene right as black people are being
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: disproportionately incarcerated at way higher levels than usual, White nationalists
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: who weren't actually white nationalists are having their compounds burned
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: to the ground, and George hw. Bush is going in
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: front of the world and saying the new World Order
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: has arrived. I don't think Bill Cooper's book was meant
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: to fight any of that. I think it was part
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of that. So much of this book is just discredited
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: documents presented as if they haven't been discredited, and then
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: that's supplemented with assurances that there's nothing you can do
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: to stop any of this short of starting a civil war.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He says that right up top in this book, nothing
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: will stop what he's talking about short of a civil war.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And since we're talking about a book that's thrown out
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: wild conspiracy theories, I'll do that myself and say this
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: book feels like it was meant to incite a new
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: enemy the United States could fight with the Cold War
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: coming to an end. Whether that worked or not as
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a topic for a whole other episode, I guess. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: what's important to get across right now, at least for
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: me personally, is that I used to trust this book,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and I don't trust this book anymore. Also, what bothers
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: me about every FEMA conspiracy is this question, why would
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the government need a second secret government to impose martial law?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Is FEMO working with the secret government, because they're definitely
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: working with the real government. So again, does the real
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: government know about the secret government or not? And if
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: they do, doesn't that kind of just make them all
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: one big American government. That is a real problem, so
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: many questions. Speaking of that, let's talk about Chapter seven,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Anti Drug Abuse Active nineteen eighty eight Parentheses Preparation for
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the Police State. In analysis, this chapter is all about
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: how the Anti Drug Abuse Act of nineteen eighty eight
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was a very bad thing, and I agree with that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: You'll get no argument from me. What I take issue
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: with is the things Bill Cooper takes issue with. Case
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: in point, here's a quote from Behold a Pale Horse.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It is now illegal to mail or send locksmith equipment
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to anyone but a locksmith. Many common tools can be
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: classified as locksmith equipment. End quote. Did that part of
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the Anti Drug Abuse Act of nineteen eighty eight send
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: a chill down your spine? Probably not, But behold a
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: pale horse acts like it should same deal with this
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: passage quote. This is a big one. The Act orders
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a study to be made on whether to withdraw one
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars bills and fifty dollars bills from circulation. This
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: would virtually propel us into a cashless society. End quote. Honestly,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: that sounds like very run of the mill government study
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: type of stuff to me. But here's my real problem
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: with this section of the book. Two problems. Actually, if
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: this is a book that is claiming to be exposing
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: all the evil shit the government is doing in the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: name of incarcerating black people, how do you not mention
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the Anti Drug Abuse Act of nineteen eighty six. That's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the other one that Joe Biden wrote that mandated that
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: sentences for crack convictions should be way more harsh than
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: sentences for powder cocaine convictions. How does that not come
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: up if for no other reason than because that is
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: a thing people could take action against and speak up
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: about and ideally change that did happen. It took deep
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: into the two thousands for it to happen. But unlike
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: what Bill Cooper claims throughout this book, which is that
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do to stop any of this,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the Anti Drug Abuse Act of nineteen eighty six is
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a thing that had it come up in this book,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: people could have addressed it. There were absolutely ways to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: take that up with your elected officials, but not if
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you think the builder Berg group did it and that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: fighting them is hopeless. Also another glaring omission when it
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: comes to the Anti Drug Abuse Act of nineteen eighty
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: eight that Bill Cooper does not mention it reinstated the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: federal death penalty. How does that not come up in
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: your book about how the Illuminati is enforcing population control
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: on the world, Because it absolutely does not. Bill Cooper
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: breaks down basically every other aspect of the law, including
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: questioning why a law meant to fight money laundering would
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: want to examine bank transactions over ten thousand dollars, But
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: at no point does he say, oh, yeah, also, the
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: federal government can execute you for all this. Now, how
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: does that not even get an honorable mention? Unless someone
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: somewhere who may have commissioned this book was hoping it's
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the part Lookie Loose would talk about the least I
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: don't know. Chapter eight Are the Sheep Ready to shear? Ugh?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Such an exciting chapter name for such a boring chapter.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: This is mostly just a reprint of a nineteen ninety
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: article about in Oklahoma tax law. The article Cooper reprints
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: in the book is called Oklahoma HB seventeen fifty the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Police States Test Case. It was written by a guy
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: named Gary North, who called Oklahoma HB seventeen fifty one
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of the scariest pieces of socialistic police state legislation to
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: arrive on the scene to date. It's a very short chapter.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Gary North's argument is that this law allows for Oklahoma
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: authorities to enter the home of anyone who they think
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: isn't paying their fair share of taxes and calculate the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: value of all their stuff. But I read up on
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it a little. All this law was saying is that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: if the tax people think you're lying about how much
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: stuff you own, they might show up and ask for
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: permission to enter your residence like the fucking vampires that
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: they are, and if you let them, they can go
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: through your stuff and decide if you're lying about what
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you own. But if you don't let them, they have
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to get a warrant unless I'm missing something. This sounds
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: like very standard government stuff. Pay your fucking taxes people,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: My god. All right, let's talk about one more in
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: this first of two episodes about Behold a Pale Horse,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Chapter nine, Anatomy of an Alliance. I will give Bill
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Cooper big, big credit for one thing. His conspiracy theories
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: never boiled down to the Jews, did it. In fact,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: his argument is that the New World Order is such
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a huge endeavor that no one single group could pull
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: it off. Isn't the Illuminati one single group? Yes, the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Builderberg Group, But they're a group that consists of lots
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: of other groups, you see, So in that case, one
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: group can control the entire world. Okay, stop asking so
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: many questions. Anyway, That's what chapter nine is about. It's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: called Anatomy of an Alliance, and in this chapter we're
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: back to talking about the Builderberg Group and how they
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: came to be. Cooper kicks off the chapter with his
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: declaration that the Jews are not the ones doing this,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and neither are the Nazis or the Muslims. It's not
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: any of them, it's all of them, and so many
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: more groups. We went through the list earlier. I'm sure
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: you memorized it. He says. The driving force behind the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: formation of the Builder Bird group and their evil plans
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: was the baby boom that happened after World War Two.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: He says intellectuals of the day looked into it and
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: determined that if something wasn't done to curtail population growth,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: then the world would basically end by the year two thousand.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Two different studies were conducted, both taking multiple years, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: they both came to the same conclusion. To stop population growth,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the world would need to lower the birth rate and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: increase the death rate. And I'm like, yeah, it took
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: several years of research to come up with less babies
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and more death as the solution to curving population growth.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: It seems like option number one. Whatever the case. Cooper's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: argument is that upon receiving this news, the various powers
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: that be decided they needed to do anything, in everything
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to get this problem under control. Here's a quote. Those
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: in power immediately formed an alliance and set about bringing
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the recommended changes to fruition and through propaganda, mind control
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: and other manipulations of the masses. The Illuminatis prayers had
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: been answered. End quote. Okay, so is the Illuminati doing
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the population control or are the governments of the world
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: doing it? And the Illuminati is just happy about it?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Very confusing anyway. To deal with the birth rate issue,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: birth control methods were developed, the Women's Liberation movement was
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: launched to encourage abortions, and homosexuality was encouraged because you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: they don't make babies. But none of that helped and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the population kept growing. So then they turned to increasing
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the death rate by way of a program called mk
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Naomi carried out at Fort Dietrich in Maryland. And what
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: was the point of mk naomi to create a plague
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  Speaker 2: that would target undesirable populations. And that plague, of course,
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  Speaker 2: was aids. And you know what, that makes for a
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  Speaker 2: good place to stop. One reason being I'm just clean
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  Speaker 2: tired of talking now, and I need a break. I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably as tired of talking as you are of listening
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  Speaker 2: to me. But also this makes for a good stopping
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  Speaker 2: point because this chapter of Behold a Pale Horse, probably
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  Speaker 2: more than any other, deserves a lot of extra attention
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  Speaker 2: and explanation. At the end of the day, population control
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  Speaker 2: is the foundation of the Builderberg Illuminati conspiracy being pushed
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: in Behold a Pale Horse, So we should dwell on
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  Speaker 2: it for a little bit, and we will on the
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  Speaker 2: next free episode of Conspiracy the show, just not today.
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  Speaker 2: That free episode will be up in a couple weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Next week, Olivia is back for another bonus episode about
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a UFO investigation carried out by the one institution you've
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: always hoped would look into the matter, that, of course,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: being online tabloid TMZ. They did a UFO show. We're
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: going to talk about it, and then after that we'll
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: wrap up our deep dive into Behold a Pale Horse,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and then who knows what we'll cover after that. I
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: do actually know exactly what we're covering after that, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: things change. Who knows if the Internet will even still
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  Speaker 2: exist by that point. I don't want to get people's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: hopes up. What if something happens and I have to
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: figure out a way to mail him out on cassette
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  Speaker 2: like Bill Cooper used to do with his radio show
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  Speaker 2: after he wrote Behold a Pale Horse. We'll get into
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: all that until then, I think that's it. Go read
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Behold a Pale Horse if you want, or just listen
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: to me talk about it on these episodes. That'll be
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: good enough. It's like Cliff's notes, you know, all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get out of here. Adam say goodbye, goodbye, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: We love you.