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NFL 2025 | *Soup or Bowl* Recap * & "Tent Talk" | Updates, News & Injuries | Banter with the Boys - Gridiron Updates · Banter with the Boys

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  it's laced up let's go it's time for banter with
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  the boys welcome back to banter with the boys
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  gridiron updates don't know what happened there
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  but we are here today to recap the soup or bowl
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  uh recap i already said recap Yeah, that big
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  old trophy back there. Yep, there it is. That's
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  the Lombardi. There it is. Thank you. The Lombardi.
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  Yep. Well, we will be giving that to somebody
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  today, just not me. Yep. Number one viewer, we're
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  giving that to. Sorry, I was just reading the
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  trophy of who it was actually to and for. That's
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  wild. Did you see this? Did you actually ever
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  read this? You should read that. You can read
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  it out loud. Good job, Robert. Most likely to
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  have been a trash can in a previous life. I did
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  not expect that. Congratulations. Yeah. Oh, shit.
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  Anyway, well, we're here. Yes. Justin's here
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  this week. What's up, dog? What's happening?
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  What up? Packers still not win the Super Bowl.
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  Nope. Not yet. Waiting. Waiting. It's okay. We
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  can wait together. But we're still waiting for
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  the first one. Roberto? Yeah, welcome to the
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  sports abyss for the next six months. Sports
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  abyss. Yeah, football. No football. Yeah, but
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  the listeners could tune in to the Wild in two
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  weeks. Oh, Fast Laps, homie, on Banter with the
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  Voice. Oh, yes. The other show that's on Banter
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  with the Voice. My bad. Wait, I thought F1 just
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  wrapped. It did, but it's about to start up again
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  at the end of the month. So, shameless plug for
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  Fast Laps. Last Gears of War. No, no, but I'm
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  not going to plug that. With that attitude, Jesus.
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  Jake's here. Yes, I am. What's up? Hi. Well,
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  all right. Kev, you're here. We still don't have
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  Kev Mike after 20 episodes this season. Oh, speaking
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  of episodes and crap ton of episodes, well, there
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  it is. This is the official end of season three
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  of Gridiron Updates. And last week's episode
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  was our how much? Or that's our official three
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  -year anniversary. Three -year anniversary. So
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  if you're still here with us, we didn't buy any
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  flowers or nothing, but there's some golf claps
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  going on. We really did. That's good enough.
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  But we've done it. Yes, we've done it. Yeah,
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  so if you're still here, we appreciate you. We
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  should probably hop into the soup or bowl. Recap,
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  Kev. Getting us down. Like butter. What were
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  you saying about that interaction with Pam Oliver?
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  And then I said butter. That's great. No. Yeah,
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  anyway. Butter who? Nothing. Whoop, whoop, there
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  it is. What are we talking about? The Super Bowl.
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  Seattle. Getting the dub. 29 -13 as we all know.
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  Congrats on your choice. Yeah, only one of us
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  said the truth. Okay, but to be fair, how nervous
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  were you about two to three quarters through
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  that this thing could go either way? I was actually
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  getting a little amped like, oh, we're about
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  to get a football game here. Somebody in one
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  of my other chats was like, oh, I figured the
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  game would start in the fourth quarter. But even
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  at halftime when they're down nine, I still felt
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  like the Patriots, they'll probably figure something
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  out. No, dude, I was never concerned. Only because
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  of how absolutely ridiculous that defense played
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  the entire game. You're bound to give up something.
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  Let me learn how to speak here for a minute.
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  You're bound to give up some sort of score to
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  the second highest scoring offense in the league
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  in the Super Bowl. You know, at some point. So
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  I wasn't tripping. But, yeah, thanks, by the
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  way. You got one. That was a long thank you.
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  One touchdown out of that second highest scoring
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  offense. Right, right, right. Hold on here. I'm
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  trying to find out. I'm trying to hold on here.
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  Somebody else also picked Seahawks. Ah, crap,
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  of course. I didn't write it down. I know Dom
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  did for sure, which means actually we'll talk
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  about it in news. And then Dom, and I think it
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  was. Ben, but I want to give him that credit
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  if he didn't do it. It's not here. I think it's
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  Ben, but anyway. Out of sight, out of mind. There's
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  a couple of us, but at the table, yes, yes, your
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  boy has done it. Where do we want to start here?
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  Other than Seattle coming out strong with that
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  elite defense, obviously. And what about, you
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  know, everybody's kind of up in arms today about
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  Will Campbell. And then who's the rookie left
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  guard, too? I can't remember his name now for
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  the Patriots. Campbell. No, he's left tackle.
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  I don't know who the guard is, but both. They
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  need a ton of pressure from the left side, right?
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  And that's what they're saying. They're like,
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  well, why? That's on Vrabel for starting two
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  rookies on the left side. I'm like. I mean, he's
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  done it all year, right? It's not just that.
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  It's also not to make excuses for them, but Campbell
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  then came out and talked about how he probably
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  was playing through something he probably shouldn't
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  have been playing through. That's on the coach
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  to figure out what you put out there versus not
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  because the dude was getting pancaked. I didn't
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  know. I haven't heard that he wasn't healthy.
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  He tore what I thought was originally supposed
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  to be an ACL earlier in the season, came back.
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  It was a pretty bad knee injury. Came back within
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  a few weeks before the playoffs. I remember that.
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  I think that screwed him over, and he probably
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  played sooner than he should have, but that's
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  a coach's decision. He's got to make sure he's
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  putting his players out there that can protect
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  themselves, protect Drake May. But to your point
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  with that defense, there was no chance. Yeah,
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  and Seattle ended up with, what, seven sacks?
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  Six sacks. It's like a Madden game. Tied for
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  fifth. They took one of them away and turned
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  it into a pick six instead of a fumble return.
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  Oh, right on. Yeah, right on. Which was true.
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  That was a pick six. Good for Nwosu. But that
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  play was wild slow -mo. It was. Because at first
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  you definitely thought it was a fumble recovery.
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  But when they slow replayed that, I'm like, how
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  the hell were you all of a sudden able to just,
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  I mean, instinct, you know what I mean? Do you
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  think it was a good idea for Patriots to kick
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  it out of the end zone to start the game? For
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  sure. Yes. Give them at 35. Yeah, for sure. I
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  don't know. I feel like we're already scared.
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  I go back to the Niners game, though. You give
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  up that touchdown. It's already over, right?
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  Based on what you saw. Okay. Okay. I don't know.
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  I'm coming out with a little more fight. To your
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  point, they had a great special teams as well.
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  So if you feel like you have a strong special
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  team, do you put it out there? And that was his
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  only kick return of the year, wasn't it? That
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  one against the 49ers? No, I think he had a punt
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  return. But he's slippery, dude. That dude is
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  dangerous. Agreed, but they contained him the
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  rest of the game, too. For sure. For sure. So
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  you wouldn't have. No, I thought it was like
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  a weird vibe when I said that. I was like, oh,
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  you're already scared. That was the first thing
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  in my mind. Fair enough. And that Cooper Cup
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  catch on that first drive, was it a catch? That
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  sideline one? No, that was a different one. Were
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  you talking about the tip on the ground? No,
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  where he readjusted and it looked like he didn't
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  have... That was that first down catch. I'm not
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  sure if he had full possession. Because he let
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  go of it and then... And it didn't even get reviewed,
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  did it? No. No, because they went up and snapped
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  the ball real quick. Because Cooper Cupp, as
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  soon as he got up, he went to the line immediately
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  and lined up. And I think Sam must have either
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  figured that out and was like, yep, yep, yep.
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  And the Sky Judges only chime in if there's clear
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  and obvious video evidence. The bobble was pretty
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  clear and obvious to me. That's the incident
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  itself. But it's not because... even if he bobbles
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  it, then is it still clear and obvious that he
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  retains, like, still keeps both feet in bounds
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  after regaining possession? Then you don't know.
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  Well, and then they're going so fast, it's the
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  Super Bowl. You want to be careful with what
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  you do and just kind of let them play, too. But
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  that's, like, that's how my first initial, as
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  I picked the Patriots, I'm like, this ain't good.
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  Like, that was my way. The tide turned already
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  mentally for me. I kind of thought that Vrabel
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  didn't challenge that because he just wanted
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  to hold on to it. It was first down. It was first
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  down, too. Maybe he just wants to hold on to
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  that challenge for something else later on in
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  the game versus regretting it. Then it's a timeout,
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  too, right? You give him a timeout if you don't
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  get it. There's a lot there. But it also was
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  27 yards or whatever it was. It was a good chunk
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  that first play, that first opening drive of
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  the Super Bowl. But the defense did end up shutting
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  them down and kicking them with field goals.
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  A lot of field goals. They did play well, too.
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  You're saying Patriots defense? Yeah, they played
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  great for what they're asked to do. Patriots
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  secondary was super aggressive, jumping those
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  outs. Gonzalez during some of those, like that
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  touchdown that could have been against JSN. That
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  should have been a pick. I mean, it's literally
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  hits them both hands. The one for his, that one
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  -hander, because he was beat slightly, but his
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  ability to catch back up and then lay out for
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  that, unbelievable. I was going nuts for that.
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  Yeah, it was great to see them highlight their
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  defensive backfield, because a lot of times it's
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  just Gonzalez that gets it, but they have some
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  other playmakers, too, so it was great to see
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  that. For sure, and everybody was like... This
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  game's so boring, which don't get me wrong, from
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  the outside, right, four field goals, and that's
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  all the scoring that's been going on. Like, okay,
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  you know, but for me, I was just jacked up. Like,
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  both defenses were just flying around, not having
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  to send pressure early, per se. Like, neither
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  one really did, and the Patriots started first,
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  kind of. I don't know, from a defensive side.
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  It was a great defensive game. Seattle did not
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  need to send many people. They just get home.
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  Do you think Drake May ended up getting any happy
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  feet or anything? Oh, for the whole game. Yeah,
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  the entire time. He was sped up from the first
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  play, and you saw it. All he was throwing was
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  fastballs every direction. I mean, there was
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  that third down play that they really needed,
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  and the guy was wide open. gunned it in there.
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  That just told me he was half a step ahead of
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  where he needed to be mentally. That fumble was
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  huge. Not characteristic of him. I was surprised
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  that he didn't tuck it and try and run more.
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  With the amount of pressure that he was feeling.
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  I thought that that was going to be a significant
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  difference maker between the quarterbacks. And
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  he had that one longer rush earlier. To get outside
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  of the pocket or at least find that open lane
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  in the middle and then just go. But he just...
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  He'd skate, but then he'd throw it. And that's
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  where I was like, go get five. Keep collecting
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  these first downs and get this momentum going.
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  Maybe you'll relax a little bit and slow the
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  game down. Especially with your running backs
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  not able to get anything going personally. Maybe
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  that was what they needed to be. Like you said,
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  even five. Go get the five yards at least. Since
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  that's what's open is outside the attack. Part
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  of it was interesting because I felt like the
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  flow of the game for the Patriots was really
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  clunky. There were moments where they would give
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  it to Stevenson, it would look really good, and
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  then they wouldn't go back to him. I felt like
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  they were limiting him when he was on fire and
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  they wouldn't go to what was working. To hit
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  on the Drake May piece, I think what's interesting
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  is there were too many moments when I was watching
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  the game where you saw he wouldn't pull the trigger,
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  he wouldn't tuck the ball and run, and that cost
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  him to your point five, six, seven yards where
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  he should be getting a first down and he's getting
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  maybe three or four yards. The happy feet is
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  a really important piece because I think that's
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  what he needs to take away from this offseason
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  is, one, how do they protect him as a team, give
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  him more time in the pocket, how does he settle
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  himself, and then he's got to get better with
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  his decision -making now being at the game. I
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  think that'll be good. Progression's a good word
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  for that. I mean, he looked like J .J. McCarthy,
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  honestly. Halfway through, happy feet, throwing
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  fastballs. Very similar. Did I text you guys
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  during that? No, you did. Is that when I sent
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  that text to the card? The 9. The 9. And I sent
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  it to Kayla. So she could see. She's like, why
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  does everyone do this to him? Like, why do they
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  always put everyone's head on JJ's body? Oh,
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  my God. That was funny. But in the card group,
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  I was like, well, since Drake Mays playing. poopy.
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  Does that mean that guys like J .J. McCarthy
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  and Jane Daniels and who else did I say? Bone
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  X or something? Does their card value a little
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  bit? Graham was like, no. He's just salty because
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  the Chiefs weren't in it. It's okay. He'll live.
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  They got a couple Super Bowls. Difference maker
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  of the game was definitely Walker. You get rewarded
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  with the MVP. His elusiveness and ability and
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  patience on so many Skycam views. That was really
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  fun to watch, that artistry of him working. They
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  talked about it a little bit. It was reminiscent
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  of Le 'Veon Bell. Just the patience where you
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  just slow down, come to a stop. And there were
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  so many times where he was hit in the backfield
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  and he still managed to break it, bounce outside.
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  The Patriots front four on the defensive side
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  was still getting penetration, but yeah, Walker
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  was doing a really good job of avoiding it and
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  still getting positive yards. That was a master
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  class in what you do as a running back. If you
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  want to teach patience and waiting for the play
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  to develop, that was great. He did an amazing
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  job. And it's funny that they compare him to
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  Le 'Veon Bell because that's exactly what made
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  K -9 a Heisman candidate at Michigan State as
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  well because of all that. I still think he got
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  snubbed because I think he ended up finishing
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  fifth or sixth or something. He made up for it
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  on Sunday, though. Oh, no doubt. Something a
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  little bit more. I don't know about more prestigious.
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  What do you think? Probably more meaningful when
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  you think about your career, right? You think
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  about how many players are in college football
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  and how many you get to play against versus not
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  and how it all works. You're playing against
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  the very best when you get to the NFL and what
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  he was able to do. That was so cool, I'm sure,
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  for him. It was cool to see him and others soak
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  it up and just talk about the moment. And for
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  a running back position that doesn't get recognition
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  when you think about the MVP award, for him to
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  get the Super Bowl MVP and say you were the best
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  player in the most important game of the year,
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  that was, I'm sure, a really special moment.
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  Really cool to see. Speaking of low recognition,
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  Michael Dickerson, the punter for Seattle. What
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  a freaking day, son. What a tank. What a freaking
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  day. He had three punts inside the 20 and two
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  of them were like inside the five. Are you kidding
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  me? Pat McAfee praising that all day. Did he?
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  Oh, yeah. I didn't watch the show. Naturally.
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  And he was getting those off quick, too. Oh,
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  dude. I was like. My wife was watching with me,
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  too, and she'd be like, I mean, he punted the
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  ball. I was like, yeah, but look at that field
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  position. Oh, my God. That was awesome. And now
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  that disgusting defense is going to come out,
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  I'm like, oh, my God. My favorite part is just
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  his stance. It's a little like I'm going to sneak
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  up on someone and then go punt the ball. For
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  sure, for sure. But I just had to shout him out
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  because that was a master class of punting. People
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  will talk about Myers the kicker, but if you're
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  going to talk about special teams, you have to
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  talk about the punting, too. He should have been
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  MVP, IMO. I think for three quarters he was,
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  honestly. But we're only all like 35 yarders.
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  Don't matter. His long was 41. If that's what
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  I get paid to do, I'm going to hit him all day.
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  Well, why don't you tell that to Brandon McManus?
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  He could use that memo for the Packers. I bet
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  his bank account's okay. But even with how outstanding,
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  we're talking about the punter and the kicker
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  right now. All facets of the game, Seattle just
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  felt like they absolutely dominated. If they
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  didn't somewhere, it was offensively, right?
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  A little bit, it felt that way. But other than
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  that, outside of K -9. But Sam Darnold did kind
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  of, like his stat line is a Jalen Hurts stat
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  line. He did just enough. He did exactly what
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  he needed to do. There's no rushing touchdowns
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  for one yard there. Okay, good point. Yeah, good
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  point. There's no tush push, okay? Jalen Hurts
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  -esque. Although he did rush for five yards.
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  That might be more than Jalen Hurts gets in some
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  games. But there's no touch, push, touchdown.
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  He does make a point. There is none. That is
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  right. I don't think you're giving Jalen Hurts
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  enough credit for who he is as a quarterback.
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  Oh, I like Jalen Hurts. The highest salary cap
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  offense in the league? So... What? The Eagles
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  have the highest salary cap on offense. Yes,
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  I am. So they should be one of the best, correct?
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  That's all I was saying. Why do you know this?
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  What does that have to do with your goals? It
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  is an interesting point. No, just go ahead. That's
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  what I'm saying. I was just adding that they
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  have the highest bid. But you're going to come
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  in and tear them down. I wasn't tearing them
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  down. I was just telling them that. Make that
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  crazy... Good point that you're about to make.
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  I'm sorry, Jacob. Sam Darnold's responsibility
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  against a really good New England Patriots defense
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  was to not turn the ball over. And that was really
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  Drake Mays also, his responsibility. And Drake
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  Mays failed at doing that versus Darnold was
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  able to be successful with it. The game itself
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  really reminded me and made me feel like it was.
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  Like 2000s Ravens against the Giants where you
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  had that Ravens, the Ravens defense and special
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  teams outscored the Giants by themselves. Agreed.
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  And pretty close here. Fact. With that. And all
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  you needed at that point with the Ravens was
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  Trent Dilfer. You just have to get us 10 points.
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  That's what Ray Lewis told Trent Dilfer. He's
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  like, hey, we need 10 points. That's all. And
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  Sam Darnold got them essentially nine at half.
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  And then in the third quarter, they were up 12.
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  Depending on who you talk to, a lot of Patriots
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  fans probably felt like at that point in time,
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  down by 12, going into the fourth, they're like,
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  no, this is over with. They probably felt defeated
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  at that point. How much of this do you think?
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  I agree with what you just said, but how much
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  of this do you think falls on just the dominance
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  of one O -line versus another? When I look at
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  the stat sheet, I look at Kenneth Walker rushing
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  27 times and then I look at combined. The other
• 18:35
  two starting running backs for the Patriots ran,
• 18:39
  what, like 12 times or 13 times? Like, just getting
• 18:42
  away from the run because it's not working, and
• 18:44
  one run that was working and could beat you down,
• 18:46
  they might only get an average of five yards,
• 18:48
  but that's all you need to get when you're rushing
• 18:50
  it that many times. I feel like it was, at the
• 18:52
  same time, if you have that dominant of a run
• 18:55
  game, Sam Darnold, he's like, shoot, this is
• 18:57
  going to be the easiest day in the office. I
• 18:59
  just turn around and hand it to my guy, right?
• 19:01
  Right, just stand there in the pocket. So to
• 19:02
  your point, just doing just enough. Yeah. But,
• 19:05
  like, that, your point now brings me back to
• 19:07
  Rob's point earlier of, like, well, if Drake
• 19:09
  May would have just got five yards here and there,
• 19:11
  you know, outside the tackle since the running
• 19:13
  game wasn't working. When he does get out, then
• 19:16
  that's where he needs to, like, think about the
• 19:18
  game. Like, we need to establish some sort of
• 19:20
  run game, so maybe I should take out. Which is
• 19:22
  crazy because he was the highest rusher for the
• 19:23
  Patriots. He had 37 yards off of five rushes.
• 19:26
  That was their highest rusher when you look at
• 19:27
  the stats. And so I was disappointed. For the
• 19:36
  Patriots coming out of halftime. I was going
• 19:37
  to say, I was disappointed coming here. Word.
• 19:41
  It didn't feel like the Patriots offense made
• 19:44
  any real significant changes to their scheme.
• 19:48
  They're just like, oh, this isn't working. We're
• 19:49
  just going to start throwing the ball. To your
• 19:51
  point, the discrepancy in rush attempts between
• 19:54
  the Patriots, Ramondre Stevenson and Travion
• 19:59
  Henderson versus... versus K -9, it's significantly
• 20:02
  different. So they're getting away, one, from
• 20:05
  turning themselves into a one -dimensional thing.
• 20:08
  Why didn't Josh McDaniels try to do other things
• 20:11
  to take the pressure off of... uh drake may like
• 20:17
  maybe throw some wide receiver screens or running
• 20:19
  back screens like if they're coming after you
• 20:22
  they're getting through there's opportunities
• 20:24
  just like right over the like top i know that
• 20:27
  drake was trying to make a couple of big like
• 20:29
  throw some deep and those throws looked ugly
• 20:33
  so i don't know I feel like there was something
• 20:35
  wrong with his arm at some point. And I know
• 20:37
  that last week we're like, oh, he's not really
• 20:39
  injured. But maybe. That right throwing shoulder
• 20:42
  is like maybe it was actually a bigger deal than
• 20:44
  everybody. Yeah, but I feel like on the deep
• 20:47
  shots, they're always like the third read. You
• 20:50
  know, like when you see that slot coming in,
• 20:53
  you'd be like, all right, this is that chance
• 20:55
  or that quick slant. I thought Josh Daniels'
• 20:58
  game plan was kind of, you know, like he didn't
• 21:01
  really adapt. to how the game was flowing with
• 21:03
  your point, too. And Patriots not having a deep
• 21:08
  threat, you can definitely see that. That burner.
• 21:10
  They need it. They're definitely missing that
• 21:12
  burner. I know Hollins had that one catch, but
• 21:14
  I don't think he's the burner. He's not, yeah.
• 21:16
  Good player, though. Very good. And the tight
• 21:19
  ends, I thought, kind of disappeared for the
• 21:21
  Patriots. They did. Or Drake was just awful.
• 21:24
  I felt like he wasn't targeting them early at
• 21:26
  all. Which that was their thing in previous games.
• 21:30
  That's exactly what they needed to do. And he
• 21:33
  catches until the second half. they didn't try
• 21:36
  to exploit the middle of the field, just, like,
• 21:38
  send the tight ends down the seam, force your
• 21:41
  linebackers back. Yeah, well, you talked about,
• 21:44
  you know. Yeah, the two to three sets, right,
• 21:45
  that they were consistently using. I think there
• 21:48
  is something to probably something with his shoulder,
• 21:50
  but I think it probably has more to do with his
• 21:52
  plan, like you were saying, because he threw
• 21:54
  the ball 43 times. I'm like, how bad is your
• 21:57
  shoulder if you throw it before the game? But
• 21:59
  then that throw to Matt Collins at the end was
• 22:01
  on the freaking money in the end zone. Yeah,
• 22:03
  they didn't do him any favors. 13 deep shots,
• 22:06
  though? He just threw them up like moon balls.
• 22:08
  I think it's nerves, man. I think he was just
• 22:10
  taking a shot. And thinking I'm about to get
• 22:12
  cracked as he's throwing the ball. Odell's out
• 22:15
  there somewhere. Let's go. And that pick across
• 22:17
  the middle, he was just late on that throw. It
• 22:20
  was right where it should have been. He was just
• 22:22
  a half second late on the throw. But he also
• 22:26
  threw some. There were some that were dropped
• 22:28
  that should not have been dropped. That was a
• 22:30
  weird throw for me. That pick, for sure. I would
• 22:34
  have let him out front when I was watching. I
• 22:36
  feel like it was just so late. He was just late
• 22:38
  on it. Like more than a second for me. I don't
• 22:41
  know. Yeah, it wasn't them. You think about the
• 22:43
  tight ends. You think about the involvement with
• 22:45
  Diggs and some of the other wide receivers. It
• 22:46
  just wasn't there. But Seattle's defense, I mean,
• 22:49
  they've been making teams do that all year long.
• 22:52
  That secondary, you know, can really. Except
• 22:54
  for the Vikings. Yeah. What? The Vikings showed
• 22:58
  the blueprint. Well, I mean, in reality, though,
• 23:03
  the Patriots played pretty well. The offense,
• 23:05
  other than Walker, he had that 130 -yard run.
• 23:09
  But other than that, you wouldn't come out of
• 23:10
  the game and Seattle's offense really picked
• 23:13
  them apart. They kind of meandered their way
• 23:17
  down the field enough times, and then their defense
• 23:20
  took over. Right on. It was a fun Super Bowl.
• 23:25
  All right, let's get back to your... Darnold
• 23:27
  and Jalen Hurts conversation. I'm not trying
• 23:30
  to hate on Jalen Hurts. I'm just saying. If I'm
• 23:33
  comparing him to a player, I think he's doing
• 23:36
  that to a T. Jalen Hurts has a Super Bowl. There
• 23:41
  it is for you. See him getting all fired up.
• 23:43
  But he has a Super Bowl. I don't know. I'm just
• 23:46
  comparing him to Jalen Hurts in a good way. Sam
• 23:50
  Darnold. This game, this stat line. But I do
• 23:54
  feel like Jalen Hurts is more of like, and Sam
• 23:57
  Darnold in this game, were more of those game
• 23:59
  managers. And I know that tag gets thrown around.
• 24:03
  It's tough because it's a negative connotation,
• 24:05
  right? Which I never see it that way. I think
• 24:07
  it's a great thing. I think a better term is
• 24:09
  point guard, right? You get the ball to where
• 24:11
  it needs to go with your playmaker. But I look
• 24:14
  at Jalen Hurts and I used to think a certain
• 24:16
  way about him until it was the Super Bowl. win
• 24:19
  with the chiefs where they just decimated them
• 24:22
  and he throws a moon ball to um um smith yeah
• 24:28
  to smith to like just essentially end the game
• 24:31
  and you think a game manager is not gonna do
• 24:35
  that right so like i think jalen hurts does not
• 24:38
  get enough credit for how he can throw the ball
• 24:41
  I think so many times you focus in on his run
• 24:43
  game these dink and dunks and what the what the
• 24:46
  running backs can do what the wide receivers
• 24:47
  can do behind the line of scrimmage and so I
• 24:50
  think what he does it's it's different but I'd
• 24:52
  also argue I feel like Sam Darnold has finally
• 24:54
  shown this year and last year but in these big
• 24:57
  games this year that He's different, too, and
• 25:00
  people need to put respect on his name. So they're
• 25:02
  very similar in different ways. They obviously
• 25:05
  don't play the same, but I think there's a lot
• 25:08
  of parallel. They're more mobile. I don't know.
• 25:10
  Sam evaded like three sacks. Sam is mobile. That
• 25:12
  really helped him out. Sam is mobile, too. I
• 25:15
  would say Jalen Hurts has more finesse, and Sam
• 25:18
  Darnold has more grit to what he does, to power
• 25:21
  through and get it done. But the ways that Jalen...
• 25:24
  It's interesting. Again, just like the NFC Championship
• 25:29
  game, he did stand in there and take some hits
• 25:31
  this game too. He's a big boy. I thought different
• 25:34
  about Darnold after the Rams regular season game
• 25:38
  where he had to overcome some really tough moments
• 25:41
  and seeing him do that and then they eked out
• 25:43
  the win by one or two points. I think that showed
• 25:45
  you he has the DNA now where he can go win it.
• 25:47
  This team can go win it. For sure. With Seattle
• 25:52
  winning, I feel like the best team won the Super
• 25:54
  Bowl. Overall, looking throughout the season,
• 25:58
  how everyone played and how it played out, Seattle
• 26:01
  probably was the best. Patriots had a heck of
• 26:04
  a run, but it's always that proverbial next year.
• 26:08
  You've seen it once. I saw a whole list of quarterbacks
• 26:11
  that made it to the Super Bowl with Joe Burrow
• 26:13
  on it. You get there once, oh, make it back,
• 26:16
  and then never do. Super Bowl losers have a terrible
• 26:20
  time making it back. Well, Joe Burrow will be
• 26:26
  back in it next year with the Vikings. With the
• 26:31
  Vikings? With the Vikings at SoFi. No, I'm just
• 26:35
  kidding. I don't know. Anyway. Well, it's not
• 26:38
  going down that rabbit hole yet. That's not what
• 26:40
  Ian Rapoport was suggesting yesterday. And you're
• 26:42
  going to F up the whole conspiracy around the
• 26:44
  NFL logo and what teams go. That doesn't match.
• 26:46
  Yeah, it's supposed to be. I know, right? Yeah,
• 26:48
  it's supposed to be what? The Jaguars versus.
• 26:50
  No, it's versus Dolphins. Jaguars or Bears versus
• 26:52
  Dolphins or. Or. I mean, there's Broncos, Bears,
• 26:58
  Bengals that could be in it from the orange,
• 27:01
  right? Yeah. And then you could have Seattle.
• 27:05
  Technically the Bills. I heard Jaguars. Panthers.
• 27:09
  Who knows? Oh, the colors. Yeah, the colors.
• 27:11
  I saw that. I'm like, yeah, sure, okay. I get
• 27:17
  it, though. It's like a sunset over the water
• 27:19
  is what I'm getting at. Hey, quick thought. Do
• 27:21
  Seattle make the NFC Championship game next year?
• 27:27
  Great question. That division's hard. My initial
• 27:31
  thought, yes. Okay. I'm going to go no just because
• 27:36
  of their free agents. They're losing their whole
• 27:39
  secondaries pretty much. I think divisional for
• 27:41
  sure, but I don't think championship. And whether
• 27:44
  Walker stays too. I think Walker will end up
• 27:47
  staying, but I think Walker is probably the biggest.
• 27:51
  component to that. They're going to have to figure
• 27:52
  out how much they want to pay to both Walker
• 27:54
  and Charbonnet when Charbonnet is up too. Charbonnet
• 27:57
  is going to walk, isn't he? When you think about
• 27:59
  the two of them, you're going to keep Walker
• 28:00
  and you're going to let Charbonnet. Which would
• 28:02
  you prefer? Walker. You think about recency bias?
• 28:07
  Do you have to pay an extra 10 % just because
• 28:10
  he's MVP? Yeah. What was the injury that Charbonnet
• 28:16
  had? ACL. So he's going to miss the chunk of
• 28:21
  the first half. So Charbonnet's best bet would
• 28:23
  be to... He's kind of like how Murphy is in a
• 28:26
  scenario with the Vikings left. We have to sign
• 28:28
  him. Who, Walker? Yeah. I mean, almost. We don't
• 28:32
  got anything else. We have to overpay for him
• 28:34
  and keep him. Yeah, these teams will look a little
• 28:36
  different. You've got, obviously, their OC is
• 28:38
  going on to the Raiders, which I'm sure we'll
• 28:40
  talk about a little later. But, you know, you
• 28:43
  think about these teams are going to look...
• 28:44
  Very different going into this next year. Cool.
• 28:48
  Who'd you pick? Are they making them, Seattle?
• 28:50
  They're not making them. He said no. And you
• 28:52
  were? I think I got to go no, too. All right.
• 28:54
  Kevin? No. No? I'm the only one saying yes. All
• 28:58
  right. All right. Because even though I picked
• 29:02
  against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, I was
• 29:06
  on and with the 12s the entire season. I was
• 29:10
  12s or back. He was pretty much a 12. Minus the
• 29:12
  Super Bowl. Who, me? Yeah, you. No. Yes. No.
• 29:17
  Yeah, you're like, see, chickens. Caw, caw. Yeah.
• 29:20
  Yeah. All right. All right, kids, stop fighting.
• 29:22
  All right, fine. Fine. Well, with that, then,
• 29:25
  should we do some tent talk? We're getting good.
• 29:31
  Been training. 911, what's your emergency? And
• 29:59
  with that, oh, there it is. Did you forget to
• 30:01
  do it as we did that? Well, usually episodes.
• 30:04
  We said we were doing a live transition. Yeah,
• 30:06
  we were. It was not live. Smooth. Well, here
• 30:10
  we are. We're here. What are we here for? We're
• 30:13
  doing a little tent talk, if you will. I know
• 30:18
  it sounds stupid on Spotify because that's where
• 30:20
  I listen to it. Anyway, it sounds so dumb. Should
• 30:23
  we just go like this? It's like we're breaking
• 30:24
  the huddle. For sure. All right. Anyway. All
• 30:30
  right. First bit of news here. Clint Kubiak officially
• 30:33
  now hired as the Raiders head coach after winning
• 30:35
  the Super Bowl. Get hired by Tom Brady. Who's
• 30:39
  the first coach to get fired next year? Oh. But
• 30:42
  keep going. Who do the Cardinals hire? That's
• 30:46
  the first one. There you go. Nah. Because Kyler
• 30:50
  Murray's going to get traded out of there. And
• 30:52
  they're going to succeed. To the Vikings. Probably,
• 30:56
  actually. KLC? Giants trying. No. No. Come on.
• 31:01
  KL? No. Come on. Not yet. Maybe next year. Giants
• 31:05
  trying to get. That's what I said. Well, not
• 31:08
  this year. The year after. Yeah, yeah. Focus.
• 31:11
  Focus. Let me try again. Third time. I'm in kindergarten.
• 31:14
  Giants trying to get ex -Tennessee head coach
• 31:17
  Brian Callahan to come and be the quarterback
• 31:20
  coach after hiring Nagy. Didn't they hire Nagy
• 31:23
  for Oshicho? Yes. Giants are just kind of playing
• 31:28
  collection of former head coaches, and that's...
• 31:31
  Starting to get me a little concerned. In a good
• 31:33
  way or a bad way? Like, good way for the Giants.
• 31:36
  You know, bad way for them. You're saying they're
• 31:37
  coming? I mean, I think there could be some steam
• 31:41
  brewing a little bit for the Giants. I mean,
• 31:44
  they played competitive this year, to be honest.
• 31:48
  Until they were kind of decimated by key injuries,
• 31:50
  right? That's what kind of did it for them. They
• 31:52
  looked good. On the offensive side, that's where
• 31:54
  they saw those injuries. Their defense was good.
• 31:56
  If neighbors can come back and get more time
• 31:59
  with Jackson Dart. Cam will be fine. Cam will
• 32:02
  be fine. I think neighbors will be okay. Have
• 32:05
  a two -headed monster outside. Oh, yeah. Okay,
• 32:08
  there we go. There we go. Let's see. And then
• 32:12
  the only other things here, there's definitely
• 32:16
  some trade buzz going on. I saw some Max Crosby
• 32:19
  stuff, some Kyler Murray stuff. I think the Lamar
• 32:24
  Jackson things have cooled down a bit, and now
• 32:26
  they're talking about an extension? Have you
• 32:28
  heard anything about Lamar Jackson? I don't think
• 32:30
  it's going to be, well, it's probably going to
• 32:33
  be an extension, but it's really the focus is
• 32:35
  to restructure the contract to free up more cap
• 32:37
  space. They're sitting pretty well, but obviously
• 32:40
  if you can make more money available now. in
• 32:44
  order to hire coveted free agents, you're going
• 32:47
  to want to do that. It makes sense. Who restructured?
• 32:51
  Sorry, I missed the beginning part. Lamar Jackson.
• 32:54
  It's all fake money anyways. It's monopoly money.
• 33:01
  But the challenge is Lamar Jackson doesn't have
• 33:03
  an agent, so he does all of his negotiations.
• 33:05
  So him finding time to sit down with Eric DaCosta,
• 33:09
  talk out dollars and cents over restructuring
• 33:12
  and renegotiating his contracts is going to take
• 33:14
  time. It was one of those pain points when he
• 33:17
  was a free agent and he got that franchise tag
• 33:19
  where it was just like, well. Him being his own
• 33:22
  agent. Yeah. It took forever to get that deal
• 33:25
  done. And then he just come out DaCosta. That's
• 33:29
  the owner, right? No, DaCosta's the GM. GM, he's
• 33:31
  the owner. Steve Bishotti. Okay, didn't... Steve,
• 33:34
  good old Steve. Bishotti. Didn't he just come
• 33:37
  out too and say, like, if Lamar wants to have
• 33:40
  some sort of say in the draft and all this, that
• 33:42
  he's got to be present and come to Baltimore
• 33:45
  or something? I've seen something coming out
• 33:46
  of... The only thing that I recall Bishotti saying
• 33:50
  was that Lamar Jackson... could have a voice
• 33:54
  in the hiring of the head coach, but he's not
• 33:58
  going to have, like, the say in it. Sure. Because,
• 34:00
  like, if you want to voice your opinion, cool.
• 34:02
  He's got to, like, be here, though. Kind of like
• 34:05
  Josh Allen. He's off doing off -season stuff,
• 34:07
  you know, which I feel. But I like the owner
• 34:08
  doing that. You know, as a player and a leader
• 34:10
  on a team like that, you know, it's not that
• 34:12
  he's making a decision, but it's just, like,
• 34:14
  that open -door policy of, you know, you're free
• 34:17
  to give me your opinion because I respect your
• 34:20
  opinion as a leader on my football team. Have
• 34:22
  buy -in, right? You want them to feel like there's
• 34:24
  an investment there, and they feel like, I can't
• 34:27
  let this guy down. This is part of my choice.
• 34:29
  Feeling in the loop, all that. It's good vibes
• 34:32
  there. What was this Schefter thing you were
• 34:37
  saying? Oh, Ian Rapoport? Oh, Rapoport. Same
• 34:40
  thing. Well, he posted something yesterday about
• 34:44
  the Vikings' intentions of starting. Or their
• 34:48
  intention going into the offseason is to keep
• 34:50
  JJ as their number one and then hiring a seasoned...
• 34:53
  veteran quarterback. That's the question mark.
• 34:57
  If that is in fact the reporting, you can kiss
• 35:01
  Joe Burrow goodbye. I think Mac Jones is the
• 35:05
  likely one. I think there's a caveat here. There's
• 35:07
  two things. One, the 49ers have come out and
• 35:11
  said they have no intention of letting Mac Jones
• 35:15
  out of their building. I think Kirk Cousins is
• 35:17
  an interesting component. The other caveat is
• 35:21
  everything that the Vikings are saying around
• 35:25
  JJ has the caveat of if a Joe Burrow -level quarterback
• 35:28
  becomes available, they will do everything in
• 35:30
  their power to go get him. Which is what they'll
• 35:34
  probably have to do to save a little face right
• 35:36
  now with firing a GM and then KOC saying the
• 35:39
  things he said with Darnold and Jones and who's
• 35:43
  trying to get reused. Indianapolis is trying
• 35:45
  to resign, by the way. But Joe DiBerlo's going
• 35:47
  to have to demand a trade out of Cincinnati.
• 35:50
  Cincinnati's not going to want... And they're
• 35:52
  going to have to be willing to give him one,
• 35:53
  too, even if he says he wants one. Who knows,
• 35:56
  right? But him threatening retirement last year
• 36:01
  a little bit, you remember that? But they could
• 36:02
  call his bluff and say, cool. go retire. Right.
• 36:05
  And just Sean, see if he's, if he's serious about
• 36:08
  it. So the, the other thing is, so we're going
• 36:11
  to throw a wrench into this. There's starting
• 36:13
  to be conversations by ownership with the NFL
• 36:17
  on being able to trade more than three years
• 36:21
  of picks, like being able to trade back to five
• 36:25
  years up to five is what I saw today too. Yeah.
• 36:27
  That's dude. So my first, my first thought was
• 36:31
  the. This probably came up because there are
• 36:34
  teams interested in wanting to trade five years
• 36:38
  of first and or second round picks in order to
• 36:41
  get the first round this year or to pull a Joe
• 36:45
  Burrow. No, I don't agree with that because if
• 36:50
  I had to vote, I'd vote no. I think if you miss
• 36:54
  on that, now your franchise is forced. Look at
• 36:58
  Cleveland. They don't care. What's a first -round
• 37:02
  pick? Yeah, you're already shooting yourself
• 37:03
  in the foot trading three consecutive years of
• 37:07
  first -round picks and missing on that. Right,
• 37:09
  so imagine if you trade five. Yeah, but if it's
• 37:12
  five for Burrow. Yeah, but if Burrow tears his
• 37:16
  ACL and retires tomorrow. But it also might depend
• 37:19
  on the franchise and what has been their history
• 37:21
  around picking first -round picks. Are they hitting
• 37:23
  on them? Are they not? And then are they like,
• 37:25
  is this a better bet? Is it the same GM or a
• 37:27
  different GM? Yeah, if it's like Baltimore. So
• 37:29
  many variables. If it's Baltimore, that's like
• 37:31
  one of those really good teams. That's why I
• 37:33
  vote no. That drafts really well, is always drafting
• 37:35
  later on. They're like, yeah, I'm okay with giving
• 37:37
  up my 14th or 20th overall pick for the next
• 37:41
  X number of years. Especially if you want to
• 37:44
  be competitive, that's just going to become worse
• 37:45
  and worse as you go. I'm not for it. You guys
• 37:49
  are voting yes? I mean, doesn't less nitrates
• 37:51
  first round picks like candy? I'm voting it doesn't
• 37:54
  matter if you make... Not an option, son. There's
• 37:58
  no write -in. If you make the team a winning
• 38:02
  DNA by bringing in someone like a Joe Burrow,
• 38:04
  it doesn't matter. If you have the right people
• 38:06
  in the building, you're going to win. And he
• 38:08
  is one of those guys that if you get him in the
• 38:09
  building, you're going to have a different culture.
• 38:11
  That I believe. So it's worth it. It doesn't
• 38:14
  matter. He can stay healthy because without him.
• 38:18
  Even with his Joe Burrow culture in Cincinnati,
• 38:21
  they still didn't play very well. With the Trey
• 38:23
  Henderson floating over thing, too. Think about
• 38:25
  this. There's a lot of times with Joe Burrow
• 38:27
  they talk about the line, which is real. What
• 38:30
  they don't talk about is they don't talk about
• 38:31
  how historically bad that defense was. He goes
• 38:34
  into a situation where the defense is different,
• 38:36
  keeps him off the field a little bit more, maybe
• 38:38
  dominates, makes it a little easier for him.
• 38:41
  So many times in football we talk about the offense
• 38:43
  putting the defense in a tough situation where
• 38:45
  they're on the field too much. What about the
• 38:47
  flip? where you have such a bad defense that
• 38:49
  you need to be out there and you're expected
• 38:51
  to do so much more. You're expected to be out
• 38:53
  there longer for various reasons. I think if
• 38:55
  he goes to a situation where maybe the line's
• 38:58
  similar, maybe slightly better, slightly worse,
• 39:00
  but the defense is better, that might be attractive
• 39:03
  enough for him and attractive enough for that
• 39:05
  franchise to be like, let's make this thing work.
• 39:07
  For sure it would be attractive to him. I just
• 39:09
  think the Bengals have failed miserably trying
• 39:11
  to retain defensive talent. They went to the,
• 39:14
  what, was it the AFC Championship? Like, five
• 39:16
  years ago or whatever? Four years ago? Yeah,
• 39:19
  when they lost to the Rams in the Super Bowl.
• 39:21
  Oh, maybe it was the Super Bowl. They played,
• 39:23
  was that the Bills or the Chiefs they beat that
• 39:25
  year? They beat the Chiefs. Yeah. But, like,
• 39:28
  that was a good defense that year. And then they
• 39:30
  didn't retain almost anybody. Yeah. Like, that's,
• 39:33
  I don't know. But I was going to say, isn't that
• 39:35
  a two -headed monster? Yeah, you could hope the
• 39:38
  defense is good. And if they are probably good,
• 39:40
  that means a portion of the salary cap is on
• 39:43
  that side. And it's not like it's in Cincinnati
• 39:45
  where you have all offense. So you go to a, you
• 39:51
  know. That's why they need to figure out a team.
• 39:53
  You got to be a little careful there. Because
• 39:56
  then you might end up on a team with, you know.
• 39:59
  No receivers. Yeah, and I think Joe Burrow restructures
• 40:03
  for a team he believes in. I feel like that's
• 40:05
  not going to happen for a team he doesn't right
• 40:07
  now. So I think that'll be part of it, too. I
• 40:11
  don't think Joe's going anywhere because he puts
• 40:13
  too many butts in the seat in Cincinnati. Could
• 40:16
  you imagine if they traded Joe Burrow for J .J.
• 40:19
  McCarthy and a multitude of picks and Dallas
• 40:21
  Turner or whatever? That trade is going to make
• 40:25
  Cincinnati fans very upset. So I don't think
• 40:28
  that's really what they want to do. Then they've
• 40:31
  got to suck another year and wait and hope for
• 40:32
  another quarterback. Be excited about their $230
• 40:35
  million effing receivers. And hopefully Joey
• 40:40
  B can play the whole season. This is like the
• 40:42
  Vikings right now. Can one of them throw the
• 40:44
  ball? Let's go. Well, if you're a good enough
• 40:47
  receiver, any quarterback should be able to get
• 40:48
  you the ball. Look at Prime Dehop. Look at Larry
• 40:52
  Fitzgerald. You're talking to Hall of Famers,
• 40:55
  not every NFL receiver is an HOFer. Right, but
• 40:57
  you can make a case that Jamar Chase is on a
• 41:04
  Hall of Fame trajectory. Yeah, for sure. Not
• 41:08
  if there continues to be this many receivers.
• 41:13
  That's what I'm concerned about with all these
• 41:14
  young receivers. Like, they're all so good. J
• 41:16
  .J., Jamar Chase. J .S .M. now. Devontae Smith's
• 41:20
  pretty good. J .S .M. Puka. Puka. Like, if they're
• 41:24
  all so good, well, if nobody ever gets past us,
• 41:27
  like, they can't all go to the hall. You know
• 41:30
  what I mean? I wouldn't think so. Bill can't.
• 41:33
  Nobody can. We'll talk about it. Trust me. We're
• 41:35
  getting there. We're going very slow, but we're
• 41:38
  getting there. Don't worry, Kev. This won't be
• 41:39
  a long one. Psych. So, Joe, to make this easy,
• 41:45
  is there any free agents out there right now
• 41:48
  that, like, say you need the Packers to sign,
• 41:50
  like, tomorrow? Corners. Yeah, corners for sure.
• 41:55
  I think if they had a better corner group. That
• 42:00
  playoff game looks a little different. I can't
• 42:01
  help but think about Jair, but obviously he's
• 42:03
  not even playing right now with just. stuff he's
• 42:06
  got going on, so I think they have to figure
• 42:07
  that out. Always O -line help. I feel like with
• 42:11
  the Packers and even the Vikings, just needing
• 42:13
  that depth is really important. I don't know
• 42:15
  what's in the water up here besides the coldness,
• 42:18
  but they always get hurt. You're always out that
• 42:21
  main guy or those group of guys. We just need
• 42:23
  our guys to be healthy. We need Tucker Craft
• 42:24
  back. We need Micah Parsons back. We need them
• 42:27
  to come back to their previous self. Healthy
• 42:29
  Packers team is quite scary. I think that'll
• 42:32
  be good. I think what becomes interesting is
• 42:34
  what do they do? With Romeo Dobbs, there's been
• 42:36
  talks about him potentially re -signing, which
• 42:38
  is a surprise to me. I think if you were to ask
• 42:40
  me a month ago, that doesn't make sense and probably
• 42:42
  shouldn't happen, depending on what the number
• 42:44
  is. Is it Christian Watson gone? Watson got a
• 42:48
  one -year extension, so I think he's good through
• 42:50
  this year, but you'll probably see something
• 42:51
  throughout the season around that. maybe you
• 42:56
  don't chase after the wide receiver depth and
• 42:58
  you really put some faith into Matthew Golden.
• 43:00
  They did not use him well this year. I think
• 43:02
  you saw glimpses towards the end of the year
• 43:04
  in that playoff game. He can be a playmaker.
• 43:07
  His separation rate is incredible. His catch
• 43:09
  rate is incredible. He just needs to get the
• 43:11
  targets out. So you would prefer them to not
• 43:13
  re -sign Robbie O'Dobbs in order to get Golden
• 43:15
  some time. Yeah, absolutely. But from a free
• 43:19
  agent standpoint, I think you figure out backup
• 43:21
  quarterback, you figure out line, maybe one or
• 43:23
  two defensive pieces. Willis, no matter what.
• 43:25
  I think he's going to be a dolphin, personally.
• 43:28
  Yeah, I think it makes a ton of sense. Are they
• 43:31
  keeping Walker? Quay? Yeah. Quay, actually, I
• 43:37
  don't know. I think he's going to be in for a
• 43:38
  big payday. And we have a couple other depth
• 43:41
  guys that might not be quite as good as him,
• 43:44
  but that have made an impact. So I think you
• 43:45
  need to give them the chance, very similar to
• 43:47
  a Golden, to step up. When they've been on the
• 43:49
  field, they've been good. He's been great. I
• 43:52
  can't help but think a couple years ago when
• 43:54
  he had some of his temperament issues he did
• 43:56
  when he was pulling off a staff member of the
• 44:00
  Lions during a play -in game, essentially. Some
• 44:03
  of that stuff, I think, still gets in the way.
• 44:05
  I'd love to have him back. I think he's a big
• 44:08
  -time player. Yeah, I think he's going somewhere
• 44:11
  else. Yeah, probably Ravens. You're right. While
• 44:13
  we're talking about the Ravens, what about you?
• 44:17
  What's out there that you... Like as a Ravens
• 44:20
  fan or like you'd like them to see? There's one
• 44:24
  guy that's glaring. For me, there's one for sure.
• 44:27
  What I don't like, but I do like, we have to
• 44:30
  re -sign Tyler Linderbaum. That's who I want
• 44:32
  on the Vikings real bad. Every team's going to
• 44:36
  want him. He might want to test the market. I
• 44:41
  don't think he played his best last year, but
• 44:44
  he is... Probably the top alignment. He's a conversation
• 44:48
  piece as one of the best centers in the game.
• 44:50
  Yep. And the center is such a crucial spot. Don't
• 44:56
  we know it. Being able to. Mike. Calling out
• 45:00
  mics, changing block schemes, things like that.
• 45:02
  And then he has that experience with Lamar Jackson.
• 45:05
  Like, what's so funny? I'm sorry. He pointed
• 45:09
  and I was like. He just caught up five minutes
• 45:11
  later. It's okay. Coach delay. Normal episode
• 45:14
  here. Coach delay. So it's Tyler Linderbaum has
• 45:18
  to be the first person signed. They have to figure
• 45:22
  that out. Because they didn't do the fifth year
• 45:27
  option on him. Because if they did the fifth
• 45:29
  year option, it essentially would have paid him
• 45:32
  much like a tackle. Because of how... Those salary
• 45:37
  cap structures work. They do the average of all
• 45:39
  of the offensive linemen, the highest paid offensive
• 45:41
  linemen, which traditionally are tackles. So
• 45:45
  they don't want to pay him like a tackle. They
• 45:47
  want to pay him like a top tier center. So they
• 45:50
  get paid a little less, but still super important.
• 45:53
  And they really just need to restructure. the
• 45:56
  right side of that offensive line so another
• 45:59
  a new guard another tackle i don't we're not
• 46:03
  going to see filet back what skew ma's gone i
• 46:06
  think so if he stays he's probably a backup i
• 46:11
  don't think he's going to continue to start he
• 46:13
  struggled this year um at right guard so okay
• 46:18
  i appreciate his efforts though he's a heck of
• 46:21
  a guy heck of a player Not good enough, though.
• 46:24
  Not good enough. But, yeah. Well, we'll take
• 46:26
  them. All right. Well, we'll take them. All right,
• 46:28
  Tyler, who do we need? Who do the Minnesota football
• 46:30
  Vikings need? We would take Linderbaum, for sure.
• 46:34
  Can't have him. So, Kelly's probably gone. Right.
• 46:36
  That's why we need Linderbaum. That's who you
• 46:37
  need, for sure. Linderbaum's gone. TJ's probably
• 46:41
  gone. That's fine. Yeah, Hawkinson? Hawkinson's
• 46:44
  gone. We're fine. Whoever the third string was
• 46:46
  was fine. Jones is probably going to be gone,
• 46:47
  too, right? From a running back standpoint. Or
• 46:51
  Kenneth Walker. For some reason, Seattle does
• 46:53
  not. There's no way. You can't say there's no
• 46:56
  way. I don't see Kenneth Walker coming to Minnesota.
• 46:58
  So we need center. Yeah. Probably linebacker
• 47:03
  for sure. We could use another linebacker. Kway
• 47:05
  Walker, yeah. You're just poaching our players.
• 47:09
  What the heck? Does he really fit the Flores
• 47:11
  -style defense? I think he could. Yeah, for sure.
• 47:14
  I think he'd be used way better than the way
• 47:17
  Flores uses Josh Metellus. I feel like Kyle Halfley
• 47:21
  and Flores played. I think there's some similarities.
• 47:24
  All right. I'm on the Walker train. Clay would
• 47:28
  be a really great linebacker in that double A.
• 47:31
  We got him. Don't worry. We already got him.
• 47:32
  All right. Moving on. Corner. We definitely need
• 47:35
  a corner. We're probably going secondary. Our
• 47:39
  first pick. Yeah. All right. Anyone sticking
• 47:42
  out on the draft? You're kind of eyeing up on
• 47:44
  the secondary? We've got to make a ton of cuts,
• 47:48
  so that's the problem with the Vikes. They're
• 47:49
  over salary cap. I don't want to sign all these
• 47:51
  dudes. You're going to have to be draft heavy
• 47:53
  instead of free agents heavy, is what you think?
• 47:55
  There's realistically one free agent. Because
• 47:59
  I think about right for the Bears, I don't know
• 48:01
  if, I mean, he'll probably demand a pretty good
• 48:03
  market. He's top 10, top 15, I think, free agent.
• 48:08
  All right, let me run. I've got a top 10 list
• 48:10
  of free agents right here. Tell me if they're
• 48:11
  a standard going. Staying at where they're at?
• 48:13
  Yep. Pickens at the Cowboys. Staying. Franchise
• 48:17
  tag. Franchise tag. On a tag? Yeah, I think so.
• 48:20
  Or you think he signs a multi? I think, well,
• 48:22
  they'll tag him out of the gates. He'll sign
• 48:25
  a multi, right? They'll find a way to sign a
• 48:27
  multi -year deal. All right. Trey Henderson.
• 48:29
  No, he's gone. Yeah. Dean. Corn. Linebacker.
• 48:35
  Dean. Oh, Jamal Dean. Cornerback from the Tampa
• 48:37
  Bay. There's a lot of cornerbacks that are available
• 48:40
  in free agents. I think he's gone. He's gone.
• 48:42
  Daniel Jones stays. Yes, he stays. I mean, the
• 48:46
  fact that the Colts are the ones that want to
• 48:48
  sign him. That's a big deal. He probably did,
• 48:52
  and then they came to him. All right, so he's
• 48:54
  staying. Wolin, the stud corner out of Seattle.
• 48:57
  He stays. And he's staying. I agree. If they
• 49:00
  have the money. All right. Alex Pierce, receiver
• 49:02
  for the Colts. I think he goes. Yeah. I think
• 49:05
  if Daniel Jones resigns, maybe he would come
• 49:08
  back. And then Linderbaum, are they trying to
• 49:10
  hold on to him, you think? I think they're going
• 49:12
  to do almost anything that they can to keep Linderbaum.
• 49:15
  I wouldn't be surprised if Linderbaum becomes
• 49:17
  the highest paid center ever. And then we have
• 49:20
  Jill Watson, cornerback for the Chiefs. If you
• 49:23
  guys know who he is. I don't even know who he
• 49:25
  is. He's gone. He's gone. Then we have James
• 49:27
  Pierce, cornerback from the Steelers. And then
• 49:31
  Jalen Phillips, edge. I think Phillip stays.
• 49:35
  He's a good player. They do a good job. Who is
• 49:38
  the corner of the Steelers? James Pierce. He
• 49:42
  was kind of lost with all those big names there
• 49:45
  this year. I feel like he goes with how much
• 49:47
  changed the Steelers. have had this postseason
• 49:50
  already. There's a lot going on right now. Yeah,
• 49:52
  with McCarthy bringing in a new staff, I think
• 49:54
  there's going to be a lot of change. All right,
• 49:55
  let me grab some bigger names here. Mike Evans,
• 49:57
  is he going to stay one more year, you think?
• 49:59
  Yeah. I think so. Brees Hall, is he gone? Gone.
• 50:02
  Oh, he's gone, yeah. I'd be not interested in
• 50:05
  signing with the Jets right now. Don't blame
• 50:08
  you. And if Eric Stokes becomes available, the
• 50:11
  Packers picking him up again. I mean, they should
• 50:13
  probably think about it at this rate. He didn't
• 50:15
  play terrible. For Vegas. He was at Vegas this
• 50:18
  year. That's all I really got. What about Aaron?
• 50:23
  Where does he end up? Are the Vikings going to
• 50:24
  be calling, or are they going to be good with
• 50:26
  going a different direction? Aaron Jones is trying
• 50:27
  to get him here, but Aaron Jones, you've got
• 50:28
  to worry about your own bag right now. I've been
• 50:31
  saying this. Since it came out, we were actually
• 50:34
  at a card show when it came out about McCarthy.
• 50:37
  There's just something in me that says Rodgers
• 50:39
  and McCarthy are going to get together. And the
• 50:42
  Steelers can say whatever they want. The reason
• 50:45
  they hired Mike McCarthy was because in the back
• 50:48
  of their minds, they wanted Aaron Rodgers ideally
• 50:51
  go and draft. a better quarterback than what
• 50:54
  they've drafted the last several years. And ideally
• 50:55
  hope develop for a year or two. I think, I think
• 50:58
  Rogers had a lot of fun. He wasn't as bad as
• 51:00
  he was with the jets, right? Like it, you know,
• 51:02
  it obviously wasn't his Packer days, but it could
• 51:05
  have been a lot worse. So I think he stays there.
• 51:07
  If he doesn't stay, I think Minnesota comes calling.
• 51:10
  And that's that veteran. That's that veteran
• 51:12
  spot. Would for real actually sign him. There
• 51:16
  was some conversation. I don't know how real
• 51:17
  it was, but there was some conversation. Shefty
• 51:19
  was talking about around KLC. And Quezzy and
• 51:23
  bringing in Rodgers. It'd be cheaper than Joe
• 51:26
  Burrow. It'd be cheaper than Kyler Murray. It'd
• 51:28
  be cheaper than going to get one of these stud
• 51:30
  guys. You're not expecting him to come and blow
• 51:33
  the roof off the place at US Bank. But it's such
• 51:36
  a short -term solution. right i think it's just
• 51:40
  pure mentorship right like right 100 if they
• 51:42
  sign aaron rogers then the vikings are all in
• 51:45
  on jj mccarthy still developing into that future
• 51:47
  quarterback to me yeah that's what that says
• 51:49
  if they go if they go and try to trade for mac
• 51:51
  jones who's not available right but if they try
• 51:53
  to go do something like that or obviously if
• 51:56
  they go for joe burrow or kyler murray then jj
• 51:58
  mccarthy's part of that trade for sure But I
• 52:02
  think if they get an Aaron Rodgers or trying
• 52:06
  to think of another. Oh, Kirk Cousins, right?
• 52:09
  I don't think he's back. From my source, right?
• 52:11
  Yeah, because Pinnock's probably not going to
• 52:13
  be back right away. From my source who talked.
• 52:16
  I better call him down here. Don't call him out.
• 52:20
  No, I'm not. No, I'm not going to call him out.
• 52:22
  It's who he talked to. Snitches get stitches.
• 52:25
  Who is extremely close to KOC. So, like, no chance
• 52:29
  that Kirk Cousins is back here. But I don't know.
• 52:31
  Is that a money thing? Because I already know.
• 52:33
  But haven't the Falcons already said he's being
• 52:35
  released, right? So it's not a Falcons thing.
• 52:37
  It's a Minnesota thing. I don't think allegedly
• 52:40
  Minnesota might not want to go a different, not
• 52:43
  repeat that again. One name we didn't bring up
• 52:47
  because it was too far down the list. What are
• 52:48
  you guys' thoughts on Kyle Pitts? Obviously,
• 52:50
  that's a big name in Atlanta. He's a free agent.
• 52:54
  I think if you need to tie down, he should go
• 52:57
  to the Chiefs. If Travis Kelsey doesn't come
• 52:59
  back? He should go to the Steelers. He probably
• 53:00
  stays in Atlanta. You think so? Yeah. With what's
• 53:06
  -his -face Kevin Savansky coming in. I think
• 53:08
  he's going to want all the weapons he can. Right.
• 53:10
  I mean, he does good things with tight ends.
• 53:14
  And Joku does... Did pretty well in that system.
• 53:17
  And he's a free agent, right, Nojoku? Yeah, he
• 53:19
  said he's not going to resign with the Browns.
• 53:25
  He's a Chiefs rumor. Yeah, you've got a pretty
• 53:27
  deep free agent class here. This is going to
• 53:30
  be pretty explosive when we get to March. What
• 53:33
  were you just saying? I was going to say something
• 53:35
  off what you said, and I done forgot. You brought
• 53:38
  up Kyle Pitts. Oh, I'm thinking maybe if he went
• 53:42
  to, like, the Steelers. And then you've got Kyle
• 53:44
  Pitts and DK up there, just two gigantic targets.
• 53:47
  One Washington. He's like combined both of them.
• 53:50
  Oh, my God. Who's going to cover who? Good luck.
• 53:55
  Kittle's at 19 average a year, so that's where
• 53:58
  top tight end money is right now. That's where
• 54:00
  Pitts would be. No. Pitts is not worth that.
• 54:03
  No. That's what he'd be asking. I mean, that's...
• 54:05
  So, we also have to back up and think about...
• 54:07
  Just because he's asking doesn't mean that's
• 54:08
  what he's saying yet. So, we've got to think
• 54:10
  about what the standards have been around quarterback
• 54:11
  and other play, right? Like, they've been paying
• 54:14
  the standards for less than standard. But look
• 54:17
  at his stats. His productivity over... I'm not
• 54:20
  paying confidence. No. Look at... Look at Trevor
• 54:23
  Lawrence. I think this year, obviously, was a
• 54:25
  huge anomaly compared to his career, right? He's
• 54:28
  on the rise, son. Look at what he was paid prior
• 54:30
  to this, right? So there's a standard. But that's
• 54:33
  the quarterback market, though. That's a very
• 54:36
  different market and standard than any of the
• 54:39
  other ones. Because quarterback is the position,
• 54:44
  so you're going to have to overpay for a quarterback
• 54:49
  that you think is going to be the guy to bring
• 54:53
  it home. I like it. Let's move on here. I'm just
• 55:02
  looking at Sally. I'm all mentally into free
• 55:04
  agents. Let's shift gears. Where are we at, Kev?
• 55:09
  Before I shift the old gear. We're going to go
• 55:13
  ahead and shift gears and wrap this thing up
• 55:15
  here in a second. But before we do, first off,
• 55:18
  the most likely to have been a trash can in a
• 55:22
  previous life, the kid eats everything trophy
• 55:25
  goes to... Dom, who was our Banter with the Boys
• 55:30
  playoff prediction champion. Congrats, Dom. So,
• 55:33
  Dom, as you're working right now listening to
• 55:35
  this, congrats. That's it. Congrats, you're not
• 55:39
  a trash can. And the trophy's actually robbed,
• 55:42
  so you've got to talk to him. Anyway, thanks
• 55:45
  for playing. Anyway, real quick, I'm going to
• 55:49
  fly through the awards. If you want to say anything
• 55:51
  about them, go for it. I didn't do all of them,
• 55:53
  just the main ones. And then we're going to talk
• 55:55
  about Hall of Fame because I feel like there's
• 55:57
  going to be some conversation there, and we'll
• 55:58
  wrap up there. So MVP, John Matthew Stafford
• 56:03
  won MVP. And his veneers. Yep. I'm sure glad
• 56:10
  he won it and then Drake didn't play like that.
• 56:12
  Oh my gosh, can you imagine? And then the controversy
• 56:17
  over the Hall of Fame voting, or excuse me, not
• 56:20
  Hall of Fame voting, but the MVP voting. Oh,
• 56:22
  the Herbert? Yeah, the three votes that didn't
• 56:25
  go to either Stafford or May. It was just like,
• 56:29
  really? Okay. Dumb. Like, I'm a Herbert fan?
• 56:32
  Dumb. Come on. I mean, if we're going to have
• 56:34
  conversations over what value... No, I did not.
• 56:39
  Why wouldn't you pick Patrick Mahomes or Lamar
• 56:43
  Jackson? Because they were injured and their
• 56:46
  teams didn't excel because their quarterbacks
• 56:52
  were hurt. Throw it somewhere. I wouldn't have
• 56:56
  been mad about it. Herbert seemed like I didn't
• 56:59
  want to vote for any of the other guys intentionally,
• 57:00
  so I'm going to throw this away. That's no disrespect
• 57:03
  to Herbert. He's great. Left field. Yeah, because,
• 57:08
  I mean, he did ball out, like, hand injury and
• 57:11
  everything. He was like, oh, I'm... He gritted
• 57:13
  through it. He's one of those AI hands. Yeah,
• 57:17
  that Tyler wants. Matthew Stafford, right. The
• 57:19
  ones that click in after they cut my hand off
• 57:21
  when I can't deal with it anymore. Yeah, anyway.
• 57:25
  Everybody's like, what the reason? Yes, very
• 57:28
  good. But I guess Matthew Stafford goes by his
• 57:31
  middle name, Matthew, because his dad's name
• 57:33
  is John. So to distinguish between them, I guess
• 57:36
  he went with Matthew, turns out. So anyway, I
• 57:38
  didn't know that. I was like, John Matthew Stafford?
• 57:41
  I was like, who the hell is that? Anyway, sorry.
• 57:44
  Coach of the Year, Mike Rabel. There were a lot
• 57:48
  of good options for Coach of the Year this year.
• 57:51
  I thought Ben Johnson was going to get it for
• 57:53
  sure. Who would be two? Who would be two? Mike
• 57:57
  McDonald, I guess. Well, now, yeah, after that
• 58:00
  game. Mike McDonald. What Shanahan was able to
• 58:05
  do in San Francisco with all those injuries,
• 58:07
  I think he was worth strongly considering as
• 58:11
  Coach of the Year also. Comeback Player of the
• 58:15
  Year, CMC. Offensive player of the year, JSN.
• 58:18
  Yep. Defense player of the year, Myles Garrett.
• 58:21
  Yeah. I mean, he got the sack record, right?
• 58:23
  Barely. Barely, but he got it. He can think.
• 58:25
  He can think for that one. Yes, he can. Jared
• 58:28
  Allen would like a word, please, after getting
• 58:30
  his sack revoked. Offensive rookie of the year,
• 58:34
  Ted Arroa, McMillan. Well -deserved, but that
• 58:36
  one surprised me a little bit. T -Mac. Who else
• 58:38
  were you? I think there were just some other
• 58:41
  players on the list that I'm like. Mika Abuko.
• 58:45
  Was he on the list? Yeah, he was, but he was
• 58:47
  on fire earlier. He kind of dropped off. I can't
• 58:51
  remember the name. T -Mac was the other way around.
• 58:53
  He was quiet in the beginning. There was another
• 58:55
  name that I'm like, oh, it could be this guy.
• 58:57
  I was pleasantly surprised, I should say. Cam
• 59:00
  Ward was under the radar. If you just looked
• 59:04
  at stats, you could probably make a case for
• 59:06
  Cam Ward, minus the wins and losses. I think
• 59:12
  Jackson Dart was on the list, and I just assumed
• 59:14
  it was going to go to him, knowing that he had
• 59:16
  a decent year. Tyler Shuck was another one. Shuck
• 59:20
  got favorites a lot, like super late. He came
• 59:22
  on later in the season, though, obviously. So
• 59:24
  there was some recency there. Because he only
• 59:26
  played like six games. Did you see him in the
• 59:28
  parade this past weekend, hugging balls into
• 59:30
  the crowd? Dude, he's throwing piss missiles
• 59:32
  at these kids' faces and shit. And it's like
• 59:35
  dark, right? Because it's like Mardi Gras and
• 59:36
  shit. It's like you're drunk. And everybody's
• 59:38
  got lights and stuff, but he's got these light
• 59:40
  -up footballs, and he's on top of the football.
• 59:41
  Just piping them. I love it. It's like your drunk
• 59:45
  uncle after the cookout is done. He's just playing
• 59:49
  some three on three. Go deep, Uncle Rico. Deep
• 59:53
  is the rookie of the year. Carson Schlesinger.
• 59:55
  That one was great. I have some of his cards.
• 59:57
  Got an auto of his, so I was pumped about that.
• 59:58
  I just pulled his rookie the other day. Yeah,
• 1:00:02
  I think so, right? The. Make sure you get the
• 1:00:05
  in there. What do you think the moment of the
• 1:00:08
  year was? The one moment of the year? Like when
• 1:00:16
  the Vikes got the miracle play. Charbonnet picking
• 1:00:20
  up that two -point conversion. That might be
• 1:00:24
  one of the craziest plays I saw all year. There
• 1:00:27
  was a lot of great catches. Yeah, a lot of great
• 1:00:30
  catches. I'm just trying to think some crazy
• 1:00:33
  games, if there was any really ridiculous endings.
• 1:00:36
  I hate to say it as a Packer fan. Honestly, Caleb
• 1:00:40
  Williams has like three throws where it's just
• 1:00:44
  crazy arm angles out of the pocket by 30 yards
• 1:00:47
  deep. It's a lot of that. That's the one that
• 1:00:50
  won Moment of the Year. Yeah, that's the one
• 1:00:51
  that won it, and I would probably agree. I think
• 1:00:54
  we should remind them each time we have them
• 1:00:56
  on next year. But that was the Moment of the
• 1:00:58
  Year. bears on a hail mary from freaking caleb
• 1:01:01
  williams yeah and that's why we need more corner
• 1:01:04
  help because that doesn't happen then all right
• 1:01:06
  nixon too all right all right because this is
• 1:01:08
  probably about to be at least 10 minutes we'll
• 1:01:10
  wrap this thing up but he did for sure hall of
• 1:01:13
  fame oh boy here we go drew breeze larry fitch
• 1:01:16
  gerald yeah luke keekly one of us adam venetary
• 1:01:19
  and roger craig Why are there not more people?
• 1:01:24
  Was that five? This year was five. The eight
• 1:01:28
  is the max. Are the more people supposed to be
• 1:01:32
  Kraft and Bill Belichick? Is that what you're
• 1:01:34
  getting at here? They had one for Deflategate
• 1:01:37
  and Spygate, clearly. So we know where you're
• 1:01:40
  lying on it. No, we don't. I'm just telling you
• 1:01:42
  what other people thought. You don't put words
• 1:01:45
  in my mouth. You put food in people's mouths.
• 1:01:47
  But you've got some wide receivers that didn't
• 1:01:50
  make it. Terrell Suggs arguably should be a Hall
• 1:01:53
  of Famer. No Homer bias. No bias. Look at the
• 1:01:59
  stats. He's got two Super Bowl rings. Only one
• 1:02:02
  with the Ravens. True. Is that the main one?
• 1:02:07
  I think quarterback's the only one who gets that
• 1:02:08
  freebie. I think, yeah, Suggs is the one that...
• 1:02:11
  People are upset a little bit about Eli Manning,
• 1:02:13
  that Luke Kuechly is in there, but Eli Manning's
• 1:02:15
  not. I was like, bloody. I think Eli deserves
• 1:02:17
  it. Luke was incredible. Yeah, do not come at
• 1:02:19
  me for Luke Kuechly. Hold on. I'll lose my mind.
• 1:02:21
  But Manning did this twice. Yeah, what does Luke
• 1:02:23
  Kuechly do? I got concussions. Man, but if you
• 1:02:27
  look at it, he is the second highest rated PFF
• 1:02:31
  player or middle linebacker ever. Ever. Ever.
• 1:02:34
  And that's fine. Patrick Willis was first. Right.
• 1:02:37
  He was also in the Hall of Fame. Right. And how
• 1:02:39
  many rings does he have? Why does it come down
• 1:02:42
  to rings, though? I get it, but why does it come
• 1:02:44
  down to rings? Did he end up getting one? No.
• 1:02:46
  I don't think he has any. When it's a team thing
• 1:02:49
  and the Hall of Fame is your individual career.
• 1:02:51
  If you are the middle linebacker of your team,
• 1:02:54
  you are the play caller of your defense. You
• 1:02:58
  are the most important person on your defense.
• 1:03:00
  So when you have a Dan Marino situation or someone
• 1:03:04
  that is a really great quarterback that maybe
• 1:03:06
  didn't see extreme success consistently throughout
• 1:03:09
  their career, is that something that then matters?
• 1:03:14
  It should be taken into consideration. If they're
• 1:03:15
  that same type of leader. 100%. It should be
• 1:03:19
  taken into consideration. But on the other side
• 1:03:20
  for Luke Kuechly was MVP level Cam Newton. So
• 1:03:23
  it's like, hmm. But he can't freaking. Go bounce
• 1:03:27
  on the ball. Good for Luke. I mean, Luke got
• 1:03:29
  in. He got shorty years of football. He's a good
• 1:03:32
  point, though. It is. I think Suggs will get
• 1:03:37
  in. The injuries are unfortunate. For sure. So
• 1:03:39
  if you had to pick between Luke and Suggs, who
• 1:03:42
  would you pick? I would take Suggs. You think
• 1:03:43
  Suggs was a better player overall? I think on
• 1:03:45
  paper I'd agree. Like, not being a Ravens fan.
• 1:03:47
  Because of longevity. Well, longevity, I think
• 1:03:50
  the difference in play. And then if you need
• 1:03:52
  to put success in there, obviously you have to
• 1:03:54
  look at that. Because arguably during the Luke
• 1:03:54
  Kuechly era, it was Bobby Wagner and Luke Kuechly
• 1:03:57
  who were the best middle linebackers playing
• 1:03:58
  at the time. And Bobby Wagner. He's definitely
• 1:04:02
  probably going to get into the Hall of Fame too.
• 1:04:04
  I hope so. He just won Man of the Year. Also,
• 1:04:09
  I was going to bring up Man of the Year. Is there
• 1:04:10
  ever a bad winner? No, they all have great stories.
• 1:04:14
  I love it. He should not have won it. Is there
• 1:04:18
  anybody that's been upset about who won? Because
• 1:04:21
  it's all off the field stuff, when it is a player
• 1:04:24
  on a team that you don't root for, you don't
• 1:04:27
  see, you don't know their actual impact. hear
• 1:04:31
  about it 100 humanizes it having the ability
• 1:04:34
  to see the things that they're doing for their
• 1:04:37
  for their community for the organization for
• 1:04:40
  the nfl it's awesome so it's yeah it's hard to
• 1:04:43
  be like oh not that guy I feel like the generation
• 1:04:48
  we're in now more than ever, as you see, there
• 1:04:50
  are way more good people. You're like, crap,
• 1:04:52
  I don't want to like that person because they
• 1:04:53
  play for this team. And then you see something
• 1:04:55
  like that. I think it's different. I think what
• 1:04:57
  happens over time is probably the opposite, where
• 1:05:00
  if you see a player that has longevity, that's
• 1:05:02
  that big -time player, and they're not nominated
• 1:05:05
  or they don't get that spotlight, you're like,
• 1:05:07
  oh, I wonder what they're actually like. So I
• 1:05:08
  think it's the reverse effect. Fair enough. Put
• 1:05:13
  them all in. Put them all in. Everybody gets
• 1:05:17
  to that. Anything about Bill that we want to?
• 1:05:19
  This is not the Basketball Hall of Fame. Fair.
• 1:05:24
  It'll happen. It's definitely like an FU to both
• 1:05:27
  of them. Yes. Bill Belichick? Yes. Did you hear
• 1:05:31
  Rob Gronkowski, was he being interviewed by Rich
• 1:05:36
  Eisen? He was just totally taking pot shots at
• 1:05:39
  the Hall of Fame results. He's like, man. I don't
• 1:05:42
  know if I'm going to be a first ballot Hall of
• 1:05:44
  Famer because I never had a good head coach and
• 1:05:48
  my quarterback. Who knows if he's a Hall of Famer?
• 1:05:53
  God, I like those little slide digs. Well, it's
• 1:05:56
  funny, but it's a good point. So then if he doesn't
• 1:05:57
  get in, does Tom Brady not get in? I don't know.
• 1:06:01
  We're talking goofy talk now. Well, we're talking
• 1:06:04
  goofy talk because of what just happened. I think
• 1:06:06
  the writers are bitter. They're just people that
• 1:06:09
  are bitter. penalize them a year for the plate
• 1:06:13
  gate in. And now it sounds like they're going
• 1:06:15
  to get penalized, right? For leaking the salary.
• 1:06:17
  Or that, or do they hold like staff and, and
• 1:06:21
  head coach and stuff to the same level as a player.
• 1:06:24
  You know what I mean? Like, I feel like Tom Brady,
• 1:06:27
  they say they, there should be different categories
• 1:06:29
  and stuff, which probably should be at this point.
• 1:06:31
  You know what I mean? But I think there's no
• 1:06:33
  way Tom Brady's not. Yeah. But we're never going
• 1:06:36
  to know. Cause it's, we do know they're no longer
• 1:06:38
  a voter. Because I did see Harrison just grill
• 1:06:41
  Dungy, who is a voter, on live TV this weekend.
• 1:06:46
  So it'll be interesting to see how Tony rebuttals
• 1:06:50
  that. Probably won't. I wouldn't. Just take it?
• 1:06:54
  If he takes it or he says heck it and gives us
• 1:06:57
  two cents. I don't know. I feel like Tony Dungy
• 1:07:00
  wouldn't have voted for... Kraft or Belichick
• 1:07:05
  out of spite. Because he beat there all the time?
• 1:07:08
  No, because he actually has a terrible record
• 1:07:10
  against them. But Tony Dungy, he's a man of God,
• 1:07:14
  so he's really going to probably do that. He's
• 1:07:17
  going to internalize it first. He's voting on
• 1:07:19
  that human aspect where you had those other three
• 1:07:21
  candidates that are running out of time to actually
• 1:07:23
  get in. So I could probably... My thought is...
• 1:07:28
  He voted with his heart and was just like, no,
• 1:07:30
  this guy I feel is worthy. And I'm glad Roger
• 1:07:33
  Craig got it. Hometown, right? You think about
• 1:07:35
  some of those feel -good things. It makes sense.
• 1:07:37
  Roger Craig should have gotten in. He's one of
• 1:07:41
  three players in NFL history, what is it, to
• 1:07:45
  rush for 1 ,000 yards and receive for 1 ,000
• 1:07:48
  yards. CMC is one. And then CJ2K. Yeah, it was.
• 1:07:53
  Christopher. No, it wasn't. Was it LT then? No,
• 1:07:56
  it wasn't LT either. Priest? Nope. Dickerson?
• 1:08:00
  Nope. Larry Johnson? Nope. Marcus? Nope. OJ?
• 1:08:06
  Nope. Too soon? That was Miles on the Broncos,
• 1:08:11
  not Ryan. Gosh, who was the third one here? Hold
• 1:08:15
  on, I'm pulling it up here. Marshall Falk. Marshall
• 1:08:18
  Falk. And Roger Craig being the first one to
• 1:08:21
  do it, you know, obviously kind of revolutionized
• 1:08:23
  a little bit of the receiving running back game.
• 1:08:25
  So that was cool to see him. It was cool to see
• 1:08:27
  how much it meant to him, which it means to all
• 1:08:29
  of them. But when you're waiting that long and
• 1:08:30
  seeing how emotional he got, that was really
• 1:08:32
  cool to see how much it meant. Congratulations,
• 1:08:34
  recipients. You did it. Straight from Rob. Yeah,
• 1:08:39
  we'll send you an awesome sticker. Oh, I thought
• 1:08:41
  you were going to say we'll send you an awesome
• 1:08:42
  trophy. We'll send you an awesome trophy. So
• 1:08:45
  if you see this in your spam folder, don't throw
• 1:08:48
  it away. Oh, my God. You're not actual garbage.
• 1:08:52
  This is all we have. Well, anyway. We'll eat
• 1:08:54
  all you want. It is all we have, actually. Yeah,
• 1:08:57
  yeah. But you've got to fight Dom for it because
• 1:08:59
  it's his, technically. Oh, it's Rob's. That's
• 1:09:00
  right. You've got to fight Rob first. You got
• 1:09:03
  to fight a ton of people. There's layers to this
• 1:09:05
  thing. We're taking bets. It's a whole... Anyway.
• 1:09:07
  All right. We got to wrap this thing, fellas,
• 1:09:10
  because we're way over time. I don't want it
• 1:09:13
  to end. Yeah, this is the last episode of the
• 1:09:16
  season. It is. It is. That's it. That's it. Rest
• 1:09:19
  in peace. You might catch us do a little draft
• 1:09:23
  low free agent. Yeah. You know. Never know. Maybe.
• 1:09:26
  We always tease it and then never do it. My friends
• 1:09:29
  were asking me, are you guys going to do an off
• 1:09:33
  -season free agency? Yeah, we're doing it. Kevin,
• 1:09:37
  we're coming over next week. I was actually trying
• 1:09:41
  to come to the barn next Tuesday. Just keep traditional.
• 1:09:43
  I like it. Anyway, Justin, thanks for being here,
• 1:09:48
  man. Thanks for giving us your Packer insight
• 1:09:50
  this season. I am disturbed that they... It turns
• 1:09:55
  out they're going to be in the NFC North again
• 1:09:56
  next year. So that sucks. Sword on the street.
• 1:10:00
  I expect the Vikes to finish fourth again. But
• 1:10:04
  they didn't finish fourth this year, which is
• 1:10:06
  dope. So that was cool. Depends on the quarterback's
• 1:10:09
  pitch. Anyway, I'm going. I'm tangent. Thanks
• 1:10:10
  for being here. Jake. Hey, Rob. Thanks for becoming
• 1:10:13
  another co -host this year. You're welcome. You
• 1:10:17
  were excellent. I try. Yeah. Well prepared. Thank
• 1:10:21
  you for being an awesome guest. Host. Thanks
• 1:10:23
  for having me. I'm just trying to stare at him
• 1:10:24
  until it's awkward. Yeah. Okay. Only a few. Should
• 1:10:28
  we start whispering crazy? No, because then Kevin's
• 1:10:30
  just going to get mad at us. Yeah, he's already
• 1:10:31
  giving me eyeballs over there. Roberto. Coach.
• 1:10:36
  Another season. I know. I can't believe we did
• 1:10:38
  it. It went fast. This is two full seasons for
• 1:10:40
  us. It is. And I can't believe we've had 300
• 1:10:42
  episodes on the channel, too. Nuh -uh. No, not
• 1:10:45
  300 episodes. Three seasons. There it is. Hundreds
• 1:10:50
  in seasons. It's been a long season. It'll be
• 1:10:56
  fun. It was to the date, though, last episode,
• 1:10:58
  right, Kev, that we ripped? Last Tuesday, it
• 1:11:00
  was to the date. Three years? Three years. Are
• 1:11:03
  you sure it's not four? Yeah, it's three. Thanks
• 1:11:07
  for everyone watching. Thanks for all awesome,
• 1:11:10
  gentle, nice comments. Then we did that season,
• 1:11:13
  then that season. On all our takes. You'll catch
• 1:11:16
  up. It's okay. We talked about four football
• 1:11:19
  seasons, but the first one was only the Super
• 1:11:21
  Bowl. That's what's tripping me up right now.
• 1:11:23
  There we go. That's what started it. Yeah, that's
• 1:11:25
  fine. Anyway, none of you guys care. And then
• 1:11:28
  we get to do an outro. Yeah. Oh, outro, yes.
• 1:11:32
  God, if only I knew what to say. So much pressure.
• 1:11:36
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