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CAA updates Instructor hour - The FLYER Show - 17th September 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: This is the Fly Show in podcast form from the team at Flyer.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's your weekly dose of German aviation news, views, and flying chat.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: In this episode, we talk about revalidation hour.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, some recent comps from the CEA, what we think of it, um some of us don't think of it.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um there'll be observations, digressions, and opinions from the team.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: So if you like aeroplanes, airfields, airspace, and the world that surrounds them, you're in the right place, mostly.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to this week's flyer show.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Ian Seeger.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Ed Hicks, and I'm Dave Corderwood.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: In this week's show, we'll be taking a look at the refresher hour.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: The CA have recently issued some uh some information, and we'll be taking a look at that positively and occasionally critically.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: So stay to the end.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: But before we get to that, I just want to say if you enjoy the flyer show, please, please, please do us a favour, hit like and subscribe to our YouTube channel.
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• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you very much for that.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I just want to also say a big, big thank you to Sky Demon.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_03: As I say every week, thank you for supporting the show.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: It really wouldn't be possible without you.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and here is this week's top tip.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Rob from Sky Demon, and here's another top tip.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: You can set up reminders to appear in flight when approaching or passing any of the turning points in your route.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: You might set yourself a reminder to change fuel tanks or to change frequency perhaps.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: To set this up, plan your route as normal and at your chosen turning point, press and hold to bring up the what's here menu.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Choose reminder at turning point and then enter the text of the reminder you want to see.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: As well as how far in advance of that point you'd like to see the reminder.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll choose zero so that it appears just as I reach that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't forget to save.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now, when I open the simulated navigation mode, I can fly my aircraft up to that point.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: And there we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: The reminder will stay on screen until you manually dismiss it.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: And these reminders are saved as part of your planned route.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: For more information, check out our website www.skydeemon.ero.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_04: So, turning points.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yep, sounds like another series of Vicky McClure, doesn't it?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: I know I need a reminder.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, are you awake?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: Pay attention.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, I you know, I must have known about this at some stage, um, but I've forgotten all about it.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um effectively, I think that's great.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just trying to running well while Rob was telling us all about it, I'll go, what what what reminders could I set up for various turning points?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, as we get older, we want more reminders, you know.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_03: Have you been to the loo before going to bed?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: That kind of have you taken your pills?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: You take in your pills.
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  SPEAKER_04: But no, great, great, great tip.
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  SPEAKER_04: Great tip.
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  SPEAKER_04: Don't forget, if you're looking for the weather, weather has moved now and it's at the end of the show.
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  SPEAKER_04: So if you want to hear what Simon's got to say, uh skip forward on the chapter reminder now or just hang around till later.
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  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, time for the news.
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  SPEAKER_02: And first story this week is about Swansea Airport.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the AOPA Aerodrome of the Year.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, however, this comes at the same week that the uh Swansea Airport's licence was suspended after an unannounced CA inspection and some shortfalls were discovered.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: Neither the CEA or the airport is confirming exactly what these shortfalls were, but there are suggestions.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was about fire cover.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the airport is still open and still operating, and it's working on a plan to resolve the issues.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh they I did actually speak to Bob Oliver, who is the chairman of the alliance that looks at looking after the uh the airport these days volunteer run, and they they said they put a plan together, working with the CA.
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  SPEAKER_02: They expect to have their licence back fairly shortly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he said talked about all the positive things that they've had going on there.
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  SPEAKER_02: They've just introduced uh UL91, I have gas as well as standard stuff, and next year they've got a whole bunch of things that they want to do to make it uh more of a community asset.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as I'm sure you'll mention at the end of the show, um they were having their pilot barbecue, pilot visitor barbecue this weekend, which has been cancelled.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: Has been cancelled, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: They haven't told us why, but uh it has been cancelled.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_03: So congratulations for getting it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bit of a mixed bag going on at the moment.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's also another airport story, and that's about Solent Airport, uh, which will close on certain evenings later this month uh and into October.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: Uh because there are some building works going on taxiways and holding areas.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um the advice is to check with NOTAM or the airport about when these are going to be closed.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's mostly in the evenings, so it shouldn't affect daytime use.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_03: That'll be good.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: That'll be good.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right, my story next, then it's a bit a bit of a politics story, because you know, we all love politics, don't we?
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  SPEAKER_03: So there's a currently a um bill going rapidly through Parliament called the Civil Aviation Consumer Protection and Regulatory Reform Bill, which kind of makes most people yawn.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: However, it's quite important.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's going through in the committee stages actually next week, uh 20th to 22nd of September.
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  SPEAKER_03: AOPA, uh AOP UK has asked pilots to contact their MPs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um there are kind of three things that that that are concerning AOPA, and I would suggest that that should at least keep all of us a little bit concerned and worried, or not worried, but you know, we should be aware of.
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  SPEAKER_03: First of all, uh it's changed, they're proposing to change the way they do their airspace change proposal in it for whole airspace modernization kind of thing, which you know, you could say actually they need to do this in order to make things more efficient and faster, which which is kind of true.
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  SPEAKER_03: Secondly, uh AOPA is saying there's a possibility that at some point in the future um that we will be able we'll be asked to pay for various VFR navigation charges and stuff like that, which is not a good thing.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: And thirdly, and perhaps most significantly, the bill gives the CA greater responsibility for safety rulemaking.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um and AOPA's concern is that quite significant changes affecting things like licensing, medicals, maintenance and equipment could be treated as technical regulatory matters, which is stuff that won't have to be referred to parliament.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_03: So the CEA, yeah, I think this gives the CEA more power to do things quickly.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: And when there are good people at the CA doing this, this is a good thing.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: When there are bad people at the CA doing things, this is a this is not such a good thing.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: I shouldn't have said bad people.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: When they're doing things that are inexplicable.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: So things like the Q risk thing in medicals, that that's kind of like guidance and everything, and a little bit um blurry.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's happened anyway.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, it's happened anyway, but ultimately the regulatory oversight for bigger things will be taken away from Parliament and enabling to do it.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: So basically CAA could go, we want to do this, we're doing this.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean they'd have to kind of make a they'd have to kind of make a a case that it was a regulatory safety urgent kind of thing like that, but they could definitely do it and speed things up.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and and it won't take away consul consultation.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: And we all know the the CA consultation thing is just it's just lovely and and and Yes.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, the i its value is somewhat questionable, I would say, at the moment, to be perfectly honest.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think the way the last few consultations have gone, they do it anyway.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever it was they wanted to do, they do it anyway.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, yeah.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, and and obviously there's a whole load of drone stuff going on at the moment that will continue to go on at the moment, and I think there is a fear that the UK German aviation, civil aviation will end up paying a whole load of the cost for that.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we've seen something with the the current EC uh mandatory EC consultation that's going on at the moment.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: The the benefit is almost entirely to the drone population, and the cost is almost entirely to the German aviation population.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: How does that work?
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um so basically the AOPA is asked people to get in touch and write to their MP and go, there'll be more information on the AOPA website and stuff like that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and the the the the the link to that story was something else called Cap 1616.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: You have to love numbers, don't you, in this game, um which is the way that the civil aviation manages its airspace change proposals and stuff like that.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_03: They they were at pains to point out that consultations will still go ahead.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um we've covered that already.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um but the it should make things faster and quicker.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: But if you look at it, how many how many reg as has been pointed out elsewhere, how many regulatory, how many airspace changes over the last five, ten years have benefited general aviation as opposed to to other places?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: And there's been some there's been some really strange airspace decisions as well.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um well our whole modernisation project is so behind schedule that it it's not well by the time they finish it, it's not gonna be modern anymore.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's some fantastic stuff in the modernisation thing, but they're all it's a bit, you know, this part of it is a little bit like developers go, we're gonna build this runway here, but only after we've done everything else.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: So some of the benefits from it, uh you know, let let's let's try and hold their feet to the fire and make sure that we do get the benefits from the modernization that they've spoken about.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: First flight time?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_04: First flight time coming up for the for the by aerospace eFlyer 2.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's an exciting name, isn't it?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um uh so by aerospace, which have been I mean they've been churning away in the background.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_04: I checked some old news stories and we talked about the fact that this aeroplane in particular was going into production, and that was uh that was on the flyer website in 2021.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_04: So the slow churn of certified aviation world has been continuing.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but basically by aerospace is now ready to fly their new uh their new fly e-flyer number two.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_04: So um this is an electric training aircraft.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um and they put a press release out this week saying we've received our special airwithiness certificate from the Fed from the FAA, which is basically the aeroplanes approved as an experimental, just like a home built, we can go and fly it.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's good though, because under experimental, you can get on, you can develop your aeroplane, you can do the test flying, um, just like so many other home builds.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um and BI intend to use this as to the beginning of their phased aerospace test program for the aeroplane.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_04: And um it's going to be interesting.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_04: The eFlyer uses the ingenious motor from Saffron.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: It uses the Magni X.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_04: I always want to say Moolin X, the Magni X energy storage system, battery.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Battery.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and uh a bit more regular, the Garmin G500 TXI uh Avion X.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_04: Just put Access in.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: Just put Access in, exactly.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh BI claim that they've got an order book now that exceeds a thousand aircraft.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's Skyborne.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so uh big all big orders in that are Skyborne.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: For 30.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: And um KLM uh Academy as well.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the uh pilot training is is so such a big booming area at the moment that uh they're stepping up the aircraft.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, carry on.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: Anything that uh makes training costs cheaper, as it should, whether it will or not, it um should make it cheaper.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's good it's a good thing.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bit of an odd-looking aeroplane though.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: It isn't it, it's quite tall, isn't it?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's quite tall and quite long and thin and spindly.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Talking of those thousand orders, I'm gonna go out on a little limb at the moment and say, I bet you that doesn't equal th a thousand deposits.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: I bet you that's a thousand deposits.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: Intention.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: Intentions to buy.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: Intentions to buy or something.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: It is a the the world of the world of aircraft certification and orders is a weird.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of that is about is about uh uh calming investors and perhaps getting a bit more money out of them to continue the development.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: It takes up so much money to develop an aircraft.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: It it certainly does.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: But I I sometimes I sometimes fear that uh that people are that our skepticism of such things are are very, very tempered by people going, oh well, there's intentions to buy and forward-looking statements.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yep.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: So but it's great news about another electric aeroplane soon to fly.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh another bit of great news.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's just in actually of Ryzen, the the Swiss company with a very strange-looking micro light aircraft.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_04: This is v and it's V tail and it's side by side, isn't it?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_04: You're pretty much you almost lie down in this thing.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Sort of very laid-backed sort of thing.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Subpine, I believe, is the word.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: But the performance is anything but they've just set a new speed record, another one, they've set several in the past.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: They've just set a new speed record, 244.7 knots over 15 kilometres of course, and this is a microet.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's mighty fast.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's very, very much.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's with the um the Rotex 916.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: 916 IS, in the right.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm guessing so.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_04: I mean there's there's there's I mean if if aeroplanes were assessed on l how they compared to people doing jobs, then the Ryzen would be a jockey, I think.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: They've had a great job of of keeping the aircraft very slim.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: They've got that Ryzen engine.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Got that uh Rotex engine.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_04: They've pretty much gone, how big is the engine, and can we make the aeroplane smaller than the engine?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: And succeeded.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_04: I know uh congratulations to them.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: It does seem to be an on a bit of an ongoing battle between a few manufacturers.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, how fast is your microlight?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_04: Mine's faster than yours.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's generally a kind of 250-knot speed limit below flight level 100, 10,000 feet, anyway.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: So it's gonna get to I mean, oh yeah, I can't imagine that people are gonna you must that's gotta be like four pounds.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean that's that's gonna be a fairly screaming.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's gonna be a not a relaxing ride, isn't it?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm guessing.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: But uh anyway.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, couple of other bits of news.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: First bit of news is that the prices are unfortunately going up on the first of October.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: We've held the prices for a while now.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: We they need to go up.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's how it's how we survive, it's how we do what we do.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_03: Which brings me to another point.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: If you watch this and you enjoy this, and if you watch any of the other stuff that we do, you read the website and all everything else that we do, we could do with your support.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: We could do with you becoming members of the Flyer Club.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: If you do that between now and the first of October, it will just cost you six pounds a month or 62 pounds a year.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: If you do it after the 1st of October, it'll cost you more than that.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_03: So do yourself a savour, a favour, do us a favour, save some money, join now.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_03: That would be really good.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it would be really good to have you on board.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: And frankly, it's what enables us to do what we do.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: Without that, we couldn't do, we genuinely couldn't do what we do.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: This wouldn't exist.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_03: None of us would be here, we'd all be doing something else.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so join the club.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, that would be great.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Best value in aviation, plus all the other stuff you get with it, the free landings, the discounts, etc.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: etc.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so flyer.co.uk forward slash membership.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: So, for our main discussion this week, uh, we're going to be looking at the instructor refresher hour.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: There is new CAA guidance just released, which sets out what instructors should cover during the one-hour refresher flight.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is for SEP revalidation by experience.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: It makes it clear that it should be more than simply going fly with an instructor.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: First, I should say it's not a test.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps it should be, and we'll come back to that.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: But it should be tailored to you.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Your instructor should take account of your experience, recent flying and currency.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so you should expect to deliver a pre-flight briefing to your instructor.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: And in that, you should cover your recent flying experience and your currency.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, talk about threat and error management that's relevant to your flight, uh, the weather decision making on the day, and how you might avoid things like inadvertent IMC, uh, your navigation.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, you're going to have a paper chart with you.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Not obviously.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and uh your use of a moving, any kind of moving Mac device.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh in your flight, you're going to do some stall recognition and recovery.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_04: So talk about that.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously, your pre-flight planning is going to make use of official sources, so things like the NATS charts, the AICs, the UK AIBs, no TAMs, and the MetOffice Aviation Weather Service.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously, once you're airborne, some exercises that will be included are stall recognition and recovery and simulated partial power loss.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: And that's in different phases of flight.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: So your instructor should also cover some other things, or might also consider covering other things, practice force landings, engine failures after takeoff, dead reckoning, navigation.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: What's that?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh general handling and slow flight, emergencies, diversions, circuits and go-arounds and circuit emergencies.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: CA makes it clear you should not retire rely entirely on the tablet.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh it specifically wants moving map use combined with evidence that pilots can still navigate by dead reckoning with a chart.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um You know the chart is not a legal requirement to carry a chart.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Carry a paper chart, I should say.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Just point a point that out.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, sure.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: Carry on.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: They're putting particular emphasis on four areas dead reckoning navigation, practice force landings, partial power loss, and if autos.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: And don't forget, uh obviously, while it is an instructor hour, you can actually split it up.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_04: If for some reason you can't complete the flight in an hour, you can actually split it up into two or a maximum of three segments.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: So this doesn't change, just for for for background, this doesn't change the actual requirements.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: So you still need to do 12 hours over the last two years, uh, six of which are in the last 12 months and 12 takeoffs and landings plus that hour um refresher hour that we've been talking about, refresher training stuff.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: So that hasn't changed.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Now, do you think this is really a a test coming in through the back door?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Or is it just making the subject even more dense?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it's a test as such, um, because for various reasons which I'll come to in a second, but the but you now have a situation where the CRI or ex or instructor can can decide that you haven't reached the required standard and and decide to not continue with that revalidation, so not fill out the pa the paperwork.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um so that you can you can fly one of these hours and not achieve your goal.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think it's kind of like dancing on on pinheads there about whether you call it a test or not.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: And there are other things in there, so requ reach the re reach the required standard.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing in the document at all, the guidance, that sets out what that required standard actually is.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: So everyone's going to interpret it slightly differently.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: I don't suddenly see a whole load of people not getting a signature.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: And personally, if I go flying and I'm and I've been a bit of an idiot or haven't done particularly well, or there's areas that I need extra training in, I would absolutely much rather the instructor or CRI says to me, No, you're rubbish at that, or in a in a better way, perhaps, you know, let's let's revisit that and let's do some more training.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: I would absolutely rather that.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I have no issue with that whatsoever.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't think it's a bad thing.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: I think you know it it could be a bad thing when you have something like this where it is not very specific and leaves people going, what does that actually mean?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's just another piece of information from the from the fog and fudge department at the CA, basically, which is kind of what they do.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: And this is what you know, this isn't this is guidance, it's not the regulation.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's FCL740.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: You'd have to check that, but that's the actual regulation.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: Then then you've got guidance material, you've got AMC, and you've got this guidance material, which if anyone's really interested, is CAP3303, if you want to look it up.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that that doesn't change the regulation one single bit.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: There's a the word should in here is used quite a lot, and that's doing some heavy lifting.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: And the bit about okay, you should do some you should do some partial power work or some practiceful slans.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: They're really good things to do and practice and train on.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely is nothing wrong with that at all.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: But it hasn't it hasn't become a mandatory part of the test, yeah, or the not test, I should say.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: But looking at this list of list of things is going to happen during like expect a pre-flight proper pre-flight briefing, yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then all the things you're gonna be doing during during the hour, yeah.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: This is a test, this is a proficiency check flight.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they just haven't changed the regulation and and they're kind of hoping that putting this out uh uh you know enables or not enables encourages people to think of it differently.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: Because I mean when it comes down to it, when the CA write things in a document, as a as a group of people, we tend to go, we tend to read it and go, that must be facts.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's what the CA's yeah, exactly.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: That must be facts.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: And and that it that is not true.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: That the regulation hasn't changed.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: And if you take, you know, I reckon there are about six people in the country who fully understand all of the licensing regulations.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I reckon maybe one or two of those actually work at the CA.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because there's a lot, you can get you get different opinions from different people at the CA, you get different opinions from CRIs, different opinions from instructors, different opinions from examiners, and that's because we've got a whole history of this fudge and fog stuff.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um and this this is there's a lot of really good, well-meaning stuff in it.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: There's some rubbish about official sources.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: What complete and utter stuff is that?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Why don't you make things less safe?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Make ah just really someone's got a bee in their bonnet about that.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_04: And that's a shame because actually counterproductive.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_04: Because the the the modern methods of uh getting data for pilots can actually are uh are very ingrained into a lot of people's actions nowadays.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it provides a great source of data.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll tell you what, if you say to people you have to use the official the official documentation, A, the official documentation comes with a load of disclaimers as well.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: But B, if you have to use the official documentation for all of the no-time checking, all of the AIC stuff, all of the weather stuff and everything, and you can't use anything else, I'll guarantee that will be less safe than it was before.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: So this is CA advice, kind of which is going to result in stuff being less safe if people follow it through the hopefully people are sensible enough to go, yeah, right.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: And and I and but understand the weaknesses in the modern wor way as well.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: I do sometimes wonder.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Whether there is a there is enough in the document that there's almost a desire for the authority to go, we're kind of hoping it's interpreted in this way.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: But that's not always a No, it's a kind of nudge thing.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Push people in push people into thinking it.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I think, you know, b basically the this there's either the CA or someone within the CA who doesn't like the fact that there's these all of these unregulated things that they can't boss around and do anything.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: And they're going, oh no, right, in that case you have to just get real.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: We're about making this safe, enjoyable, and fun, and that is a better way of doing it.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: We do like what we do what we do know is that we do like the way the FAA does things.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: They've got a super, super simple way of doing it, super flexible.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: They've got a great safety record as well.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: It really works.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: There's a whole load of responsibility put on the instructor's shoulders.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: And there was a big opportunity missed when it was but EASA and the UK CEA have missed the opportunity as well.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: We could have done things so much better in a much better, much less complicated way, and a way that everyone understands.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: Because the FAA way comes along, whether you've been out of flying for two and a half years or twenty years.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, or two minutes.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_04: Or two there's there's a pathway in for you to complete your proficiency.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: And it's the same pathway.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, you just go and do your instructor ground ground a ground hour and a flight hour.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: And if if it's 20 years, you're unlikely that you're going to re re reach the standard.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: And the instructor will just go, okay, we just need to do some more until once you've reached the standard or sign, you're off you're good to go.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to get anything reissued, renewed, revalidate, it's just that done.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: But the the the responsibility is on the instructor's shoulders, and and mostly they carry it well.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: And the the safety record over there is actually pretty impressive.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps the red tape cutting department at the CEA, they should have a quick look at this as well.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Just go straight to it, make it a test, and make it a proficiency check flight test, and get on with it.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: And introduce the same the same ideas as the FAA.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: If they introduced the same ideas as the FAA, that would be that would be, I think, a progressive step and a good one, but they've had the opportunity in the past to have Savyasa JA and other people and not and not taking it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I think fundamentally it's a philosophical difference between a US aviation regulation and an UK stroke EU aviation regulation.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: And that's that's that's the problem, I think.
• 24:16
  unknown: Okay.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so flying cars, and this was because uh this topic came up because at the LAA rally we were walking round and we were amazed to discover a UK flying car project.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this was the Carrier FE1, uh designed by a chap called Narinda Carradia, and he has a novel concept of a flying car that folds up uh and inside, so you drive it one way, you fly it the other.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_04: And that is, I don't think I've ever seen that before, but anybody.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, you you have a road when it you drive one way and rev and uh fly it the other, actually your seating position, because it's just one seat, it's an SSDR, rotates.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll see how that works out.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's all exciting.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: But that got us thinking, you know, the whole where's my flying car?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: The world is has been the flying world has been punctuated by flying cars.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: And if we had to pick a flying car, what would we pick?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Dave.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: I go first.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Who did you pick?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I looked at loads of these.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: I looked at modern ones and old ones.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: The mod the modern ones haven't flown yet, or that you know, the PAL V, this yeah, the PAL V, I looked at that hard, but the new Orange prototype, the one that's been touting around for the last few years, hasn't actually flown yet.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's is that a that's a two-seat gyro?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Two-seat gyro.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: They've proved they've had a proof of concept flying, uh, but then they changed the whole thing so it looked more like a car, and it hasn't actually flown yet.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so I looked up all these.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: I did find this nice old one, the Waterman Aerobile.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: Are you sure that's not aerobiles?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: It probably is, yes, but I just saw I came to the conclusion that who wants to drive a NAF car or fly a NAF aircraft.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: So instead I come up with a great plan, which is to take a great airplane, in this case the extra 300 NG, latest two seated from extra, capable of serious arrows, but it could also use be used for touring.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: As a car?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's for the flying bits.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And on arrival, wherever I've got to, I pull out my newly invented Enterprise, any car, any place, any time, car rental card.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Here it is.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: See?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_04: I think I I'm fearing the trouble with this, Dave, is that you need a forward-looking statement statement.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: Because you've got some things in there that may not have been created.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_04: You need to be able to claim a thousand orders.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: I I do like your thinking because actually as i it does seem like flying cars are not necessarily the best of both worlds.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: They they're com always compromised.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: Even the Klein air car, the one that's yeah, the supercar that's flown, even that is compromised.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: You see the way it lands, you just think if if you just if you just it lands so flat that if you just pull the stick back a touch too much, you know, one millimeter too much, and you'll be touching down the top.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: It'll save me from learning to flare.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_04: I d I I I I think with that one though, that's a that's a an a flying car where you take all the stuff with you at all the times, don't you?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: And you fold things away or whatever.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: But I think Ian's got one that turned that on its head.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm there, I'm there.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: I I genuinely, you know, I'm I've always thought flying cars, it's a problem, it's a solution looking for a problem.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: There are there aren't yeah, we don't need flying cars, do we, frankly?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: And and as Ed said, the compromises, or Dave said, compromises car compromises, aircraft compromises, put them together, you get a rubbish car and a rubbish airplane.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: Who who wants that?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: So the closest I found was actually, and I actually quite like this, the Fortune Air Phibian.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: They they're they're more creative on their name sometimes than they are on their actual creations.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um but as you can see, this this was a genuinely successful, depending on how you define success, I suppose.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's aviation.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: You say the word success, and it's genuinely successful.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think it first flew back in 1946 in Connecticut, right?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so I had an Oster as that old at one point.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um anyway, so it first flew back then, two seats, 165 horsepower, 110 knots, I think 340 nautical miles or something.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: But when you look at it, you can see what they've done.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: They've gone, okay, this idea of a flying car is uh is a bonkers idea.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: So this kind of does fly, but when it flies as an airplane, when you land, you actually take it apart and reconfigure it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: So you leave the wings and the propeller and the stuff behind, and then you drive off in something, a bit like a uh Thunderbird two pod, if you like.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: And you go, okay, well, now it can just be a car.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_03: It hasn't got to worry about all this other aerodynamic stuff to carry on, it hasn't got to worry about chopping past people up with props and stuff.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: So and then when you come back to when when you come back to it, you reconfigure it as an airplane.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: Now that is a bit of an issue, I grant you, that it takes a little bit, a little while, but I think they've actually and they've understood the nub of the problem.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: And they've got, well, this is how we're gonna deal with it, we're gonna split it.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so I I think that's pretty good.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Plus, back in 1946, the FAA went, yeah, we'll certify that, and they certified it.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: There are four prototypes built.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, unfortunately, uh, like many, many a thousand aviation projects before and after that, they ran out of money, sold it to a different company.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: The other company kind of went, we're not gonna do anything more than that.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: A bit like that.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: What was that Canadian thing that that sort of French Canadian?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_04: Is that the Terrafusion?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not talking I'm not talking cars at the moment.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh it looked a bit like a chipmunk, a nose wheel chipmunk that we found.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, the Sam.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: The Sam.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: That was the Sam LSA.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: The Sam LSA got sold to Zenair.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: And Zenair kind of it's probably in a dusty corner right now.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: But nothing else happened.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that happened quite a lot.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then I think there's one surviving now, which is in the Smithsonian that you can go take a look at.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I I I think I think that's probably got as close as I can get.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: They've just decided there are too many compromises, and at that point, they they divorce the two when they land.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I did for them to reunite.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I and my thinking was somewhat the similar to yours, because I like Fulton's amphibian, but I think the man who got it completely right was Molt Taylor.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Completely right.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_04: Completely right.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_04: I am yeah.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Is that why there are thousands of Molt Taylor flying cars around?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, clearly there were only ever six.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_04: But bear with me on this, because Molt came up with probably what was the I think was the definitive answer in the where's my flying car thing, because he came up with a reasonable working car and a reasonable working aeroplane.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_04: And like your airphian, he would take a the to make it fly, there was a removable section, so you had a tail cone that slotted onto the car.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, prop was on the back of that via uh drive shaft.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: When you wheeled it up to the the car segment to go flying, you folded down the licence plate and plugged the drive shaft in to drive your propeller there.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um but five minutes to swap between uh car and aeroplane.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, like the amphibian, it did get certified.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: There was even a plan to build uh he had so Taylor spoke to uh I think it was uh who was it?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_04: It was uh Ling Temco Vaort.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um you might remember.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_04: Vaort made the Corsair.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_04: It did.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: A combination of all these companies.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um they were going to make uh the flying car, and they said, we'll build it if you can get 500 orders.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: Sadly, he only got 250.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um and so uh that never happened.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: Six, and like I said, six examples of the Malt Taylor Aerocar were built, and they progressively got more and more.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_04: The car ended up looking quite cool.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: In a retro kind of way.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: In a retro kind of way.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: What year was this, Ed?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this was back in 1946.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: So here we are, eighty years later, and the answer to where's my flying car is actually this is not a good combination.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think I think aviation should really accept that.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: There are no flying cars.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: There are no flying cars.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: It this is not a this is not a problem that needs fixing.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Ironically, the whole drone thing is probably gonna lead more quickly to well, it won't be a car, but uh kind of personal transfer.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: I do think, yeah, there's gonna be and a bit like Dave, I was tempted to answer the question with actually I'll get a road legal quad bike and stick it in the back of a PC-12.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: I think which I think would be absolutely if if we had the budget, we'd have got a PC twelve and had Ed jumping out the back on a ramp and then jumping back in again on his quad bike.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_04: It sounds like disaster.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um if you fancy a Malt Taylor Aerocar, uh there was one for sale a few years ago.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yours for just a mere$1.25 million.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: I'm guessing that's a historical value price now, not a brilliance of I've got a flying car.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't think that one's I don't think it's gonna happen.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: But the question is, viewers, which flying car concept do you prefer?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: Uh tell us in the comments, clearly.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: Well, clearly it's not Dave with his.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that is true.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: But I am the winner.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: Fulton amphibian.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh mind you, it's probably time for an Ed wins in this new season.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because Ed's losing.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I think I think everyone will agree that the Fulton is really the one to go for.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: And maybe you have another choice.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: So tell us in the comments.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: That terrifugia was kind of a strange thing, wasn't it?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: I remember it was an Oshkrosh for a couple of years.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_04: Anytime you see a a flying car land, that the um the air No, that what was the uh the air car, which is the probably the most recent one, and the terrafugia, the landing videos, they either never showed them or the odd times that you did see them, it almost looked calamitous because it was like, here comes here it is, here it is.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: Bang!
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean yeah, it's strange, isn't it?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: It is strange, yeah.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Onwards.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: Events.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Weather.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: Weather, weather, yes.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: Shall we see what uh what the weather has in store for us?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Evening all, hope you're doing well this evening.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Looking forward to the weekend.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's an interesting weekend for flying.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is some flying to be found.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we've just got to search it out a little bit, and there will be differences across the country as well.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, this is the forecast chart for seven o'clock tomorrow morning.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now, it starts off dry, yes, one or two shallowy bits across northern and western Scotland.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: But look at the area of rain that moves through Ireland to be across western parts of Scotland and through western Wales by the end of tomorrow morning.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Still dry central and eastern Scotland, eastern central southeastern parts of England.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: There may even be some bright spells.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Typical, excuse me, bases around three to four thousand feet.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Tops at around ten to twelve thousand feet.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: But as that rain comes in from the west, so we're going to be finding bases of a thousand to two thousand feet and the rain at fifteen to eighteen thousand foot tops.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Ice bars getting closer together as well, so it gets quite breezy across northern England and Scotland.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then during the afternoon, quite quickly that rain spreads through northern England, through Wales, through the Midlands and southwest England, and becoming non-VFR aboard here, and then that rain gradually moves its way eastwards as we head towards the evening.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Notice that the area of rain is becoming more fractured.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: It does break up as we get into the evening, but most of England and Wales are underneath it.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think generally we're non to marginal VFR for most.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: And certainly western coast and hills seeing quite a bit of low cloud.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe that there could be some local flying to be found across central and eastern areas of England.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: Generally brighter for northeastern Scotland, some rain across western Scotland, and increased cloud here as well.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: So quite a messy end to the day on Friday.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Headed in towards Saturday, it's a breezy start to the morning.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Lots of cloud around across England and Wales as well as Southern Ireland, and some drizzle affecting these western coasts and the hills, low cloud as well.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: More central and eastern areas in cloud, bases around two to three thousand feet.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that across the southern coast of England, up through the channel, we've got low cloud with bases of a thousand feet or less, reduced visibility and some drizzle as well.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, during the course of Saturday, notice that area of rain that tracks its way eastwards across England and Wales.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: So a deteriorating situation.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Lower cloud moving in for many of us, outbreaks of drizzle and rain, that affecting the channel as well as much of central southern England and also Wales, and western coasts also being uh clagged up through most of the day.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, for northern England, for Scotland, it's a little bit better here, but probably generally flyable conditions, and also for Ireland, and basically say 3,000 feet, tops about 12,000 feet.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: But watch out for some heavy showers across western parts of Scotland.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then as we head in towards Sunday, so we find the front eventually clearing away from southern areas, a ridge of high pressure building in.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this looks like it probably brings a better day on Sunday.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Still quite a bit of cloud around, but that's the position in the afternoon.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: I won't rule out some low cloud affecting western coast and hills, particularly western parts of Scotland, western Wales, some drizzle affecting western parts of Ireland.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: And there could be some low cloud again in the channel, but generally for many of us, it is better.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is looking more verifiable, particularly in the afternoon, and the winds will be decreased as well.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the better, I think, the better day of the weekend looks to be Sunday for the majority of us.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now we had a fabulous weather school kicking off uh on Tuesday.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was great to see so many of you uh there.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: And uh already I know that you're uh you're putting into practice uh what we learned in that first uh session.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: There's a second one coming up on Tuesday.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um from the emails, it sounds like you really enjoyed it.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: So thanks for that.
• 38:23
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• 38:28
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• 38:36
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• 38:40
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• 39:01
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• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And just a reminder if you've already been to part one, I'm actually going to be running a part two on the consecutive Tuesday evenings of the 6th and 13th of October.
• 39:14
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• 39:18
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• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I will leave you with that.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Have a great, have a safe flying weekend.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, you can find a window in there, and I'll see you next week.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think that might be another mixed bag.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: There are some events this weekend.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if you're in the States uh and in southwest states, the Roswell Air Races are continuing until Sunday.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: On Saturday, the 19th of September, there's Pilot Careers Live in Frankfurt.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: If you haven't got a ticket, don't come.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: We've closed tickets because we've just we're absolutely rammed.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's a huge success, isn't it?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Huge, hugely.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: Mad.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um at Carnarvon, there's the 50th anniversary flying that was supposed to be held earlier this year.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was rained off, so uh they've re-reinstated it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the Vintage Piper Aircraft Club are having a flying at Henstridge.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_04: See you there.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's a September flying at Priory Farm.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: This is all on the Saturday.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: There's an autumn flying at Kenyon Hall, that's up north.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Saturday and Sunday, it's 19th and 20th of September.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: There's the Poolies.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Even the Poolies Air Weekend.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's at Compton Abbas.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's invitation only, but if you're planning on flying to Compton, you need to know about that.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the Vintage Aircraft flying at Sandy in Bedfordshire.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: And on Sunday, the 20th, there's a vintage aircraft flying at Poffam.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of vintage stuff is there.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of stuff for vintage going on.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: That last one is a vintage aircraft club, isn't it?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_04: I think.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't say that in the listing, but it could be.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, it's really good.
• 40:51
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