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Who would be in line to replace Sergio Perez? British Grand Prix Review · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and
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  Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Sergio Perez
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  Speaker 1: is under pressure to lift his game or face the
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  Speaker 1: sack after six races of underperformance. Could that leave the
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  Speaker 1: door open to a shock? Red Bull Racing comeback for
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo and Lewis Hamilton claims a record breaking ninth
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  Speaker 1: British Grand Prix victory as the top three teams converge
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  Speaker 1: at the front of the field. My name is Michael Lomonado,
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  Speaker 1: motorsport rider for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have
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  Speaker 1: your company again after our extended break and the company
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  Speaker 1: of my co hosts from Speed Cafe. He's also added
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  Speaker 1: his name to the list of teams pitching to hire
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Signs this month. Is Matt Kosh.
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  Speaker 2: My name's also on the list of those wanting to
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  Speaker 2: drive at williams Audi. Where else is therea gig going
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  Speaker 2: at the moment? Has and hell why not Red Bull?
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  Speaker 2: Let's go for broke.
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  Speaker 1: You may as well. The list is long, but the
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  Speaker 1: names are repetitive, so might not include yourself on them.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of I'm that actually I can't remember when our last
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  Speaker 1: podcast was two three months ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. My beard scale is sort of about
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  Speaker 2: the window. But it does feel like the beard's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit longer than it was back then.
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  Speaker 1: It's as solid as ever, though the fault is mine,
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  Speaker 1: of course. I've welcomed two newborns into my household and
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  Speaker 1: I am yet to sleep. So it's been two long months.
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  Speaker 1: But we are getting back into the swing of things
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  Speaker 1: just in time for the mid season break pretty much,
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  Speaker 1: which is the.
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  Speaker 2: Way if you've not slept with two newborns. This this
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  Speaker 2: pollet is going to get loose.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you wait until the later we get
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  Speaker 1: into the season. We've got some different segments planned for
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  Speaker 1: this comeback, and some of them do have the potentially
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  Speaker 1: thing to get loose. Maybe not today but in future weeks. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: But Matt, it's been to be a couple of obviously,
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  Speaker 1: it's been to be a couple of weeks in Formula
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  Speaker 1: one about a triple header. It feels like fulling on
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  Speaker 1: didn't stop for the last month. Because it didn't. But
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  Speaker 1: let's it through. Let's skip through rapidly in rapid fire mode.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the big headlines from the last Let's keep
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  Speaker 1: each one to sixty seconds as well, and see if
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  Speaker 1: we can summarize them. I'm going to start off first
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  Speaker 1: of all with, as we tease in the start of
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  Speaker 1: the opening to the podcast, Carlos Science. We all thought
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  Speaker 1: he was going straight to Audi after being sacked by Ferrari.
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  Speaker 3: Then it was well maybe Williams. Now it's oh wow.
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  Speaker 1: Actually el Paine is also a team in Formula One,
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  Speaker 1: and now Mercedes seems to be his expanded list of
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  Speaker 1: options betweeny twenty five Matt. The driver market's already feeling
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  Speaker 1: pretty protracted. We are going to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more about it later on in the podcast, but this
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  Speaker 1: feels like it could delay everything by months.
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  Speaker 3: We may not even get a decision this year.
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  Speaker 2: For all we know, you'll all go into next year
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  Speaker 2: and just there will be a bunch of empty cars
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  Speaker 2: on the grid. The driver market is still really fluid,
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  Speaker 2: and Carlos is sort of the key to that, isn't
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  Speaker 2: he because he's the highest credential and highest caliber driver
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  Speaker 2: that it's available. But you get this feeling, and James
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  Speaker 2: Vower sort of alluded to it over the weekend in
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  Speaker 2: Silverstone that people are getting a little bit fed up.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to make a decision so that they can
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  Speaker 2: make a decision because hangs on what he does, and
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  Speaker 2: so many pieces will fall into place. So you get
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  Speaker 2: the feeling that people are now going to start making
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  Speaker 2: choices and firming up what they're going to do, and
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  Speaker 2: Carlos could be left out in the cult here. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: what he's trying to do is pick the least worst option,
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  Speaker 2: because he's got three on the table, being has Saba
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  Speaker 2: and Williams, and it's where are you're going to go?
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  Speaker 2: You don't look at twenty five, you look at twenty
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  Speaker 2: six and beyonders. That's that's a difficult game.
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  Speaker 1: We've already gone twenty two seconds over in our very
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  Speaker 1: first version of this minter segment. So we're off to
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  Speaker 1: flying start. Let's move on to LP and it's power
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  Speaker 1: unit supposedly a Works team the French manufacturer is considering,
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  Speaker 1: as essentially confirmed by Mercedes boss Toto Wolf, ditching that
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  Speaker 1: power unit for twenty twenty six and moving on to
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  Speaker 1: a customer supply matt Works engine deals as sort of
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  Speaker 1: the most sought after thing as a manufacturer in Formula one.
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  Speaker 1: How does this make any sense?
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  Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. Because running an in
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  Speaker 2: house engine program costs you from twenty twenty six about
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty million dollars a year, or a
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  Speaker 2: customer supply costs you seventeen million euro a year. And
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  Speaker 2: let's face it, the Reno power unit is the worst
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  Speaker 2: on the grid, So if you can get any other
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  Speaker 2: power unit, your quid's up already and you make the
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  Speaker 2: team more attractive to sell. Interesting that Toto Wolf commented
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  Speaker 2: on this because he's not the head of the department
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  Speaker 2: that makes a decision on messedes behalf. That's Mercedes HPP,
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  Speaker 2: who is Hugh Thomas. But I don't think that's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen anyway. I think I'll end up with with Honda,
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  Speaker 2: based on a couple of conversations that I've had and
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  Speaker 2: the obligation to supply clause within the technical regulations of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Actually wrote an article about that on
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  Speaker 2: speed Cafe that by the time you listening to this
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  Speaker 2: went out yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Very good sizzle first said article that was more I
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  Speaker 1: was closer to a minute. I'm happy with that. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: let's move on to news that happened overnight, at least
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  Speaker 1: when you're probably listening to this podcast, and it's Drigo
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  Speaker 1: Carbdile from Ferrari, the head of Chassis. He's now the
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  Speaker 1: Aston Martin Chief Technical Officer, or will be in the
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  Speaker 1: future at very least he's been rumored for a little while.
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  Speaker 1: That follows the appointment or the future appointment again of
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  Speaker 1: Andy Cowe, the former Mercedes Engine boss, to the group
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  Speaker 1: CEO of Aston Martin Performance Technologies, where he's replaced Martin
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  Speaker 1: wit Marsh Matt. It's weird because off track this team
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  Speaker 1: seems to be getting bigger, but on track the results
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  Speaker 1: are getting worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And throwing to that mixed links to Adrian Newey
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  Speaker 2: and all sorts of things and all the right pieces
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  Speaker 2: seem to be coming together apart from the one piece
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  Speaker 2: that really matters. So it's a growth phase. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: it at other teams. At some point you think it's
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  Speaker 2: going to come together, but there's probably one or two
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  Speaker 2: roles that need to change hands before it's a proper force.
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  Speaker 1: In Formula one, Oh look, we've come in under time,
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  Speaker 1: say in the last ten seconds.
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  Speaker 2: All right, if they're going to be taken seriously, they
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  Speaker 2: need to replace Lanstroll.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Yeah, I'm happy with that we're coming
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  Speaker 3: under time. I'm very pleased with that.
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  Speaker 1: More driver market news though, and this time at the
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  Speaker 1: very back of the grid, or almost at the very
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  Speaker 1: back of the grid, and it's at Williams where James Valves,
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  Speaker 1: the team principal there has been making it in clear
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  Speaker 1: that Logan Sergeant's seed isn't just under threat at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year, but potentially halfway through this year
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  Speaker 1: due to his continued under performance. Counter argument to that
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  Speaker 1: is that he had probably the year's best performance at
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  Speaker 1: the weekend at Silverston, finishing eleventh. But counter to that,
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  Speaker 1: Caunter is that Mercedes junior Andrea Kimi Antonelli won his
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  Speaker 1: first Formula two sprint race at the weekend in pretty
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  Speaker 1: difficult conditions. That really showed where all this hype has
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  Speaker 1: been coming from. Could this be our first mid season switch?
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  Speaker 2: I think so, because also Alex al Want still beat him.
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  Speaker 2: He might have finished eleventh, but Alex Album was ninth.
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  Speaker 2: There's been links to other drivers replacing Sergeant for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. Mick Schumacher has been mentioned. Franko Colopinto got
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  Speaker 2: a mention in there as well by Jensen Button over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend, which is interesting color Pinto is a Williams junior.
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  Speaker 2: He did the FP one session for Sergeant on Friday,
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  Speaker 2: so it'd be interesting. Sergeant absolutely has to improve because
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  Speaker 2: the grid's so tight that you can't afford to be
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  Speaker 2: giving up points, which exactly is exactly a point we're
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  Speaker 2: going to mention a little bit later in conjunction with Sojo.
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  Speaker 1: Perez approximately one minute. I think we have improvement to
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  Speaker 1: do to tighten up this one minute.
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  Speaker 2: If you were to rank us on the grid, where
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  Speaker 2: are we now? Somewhere we sort of alpine hass Williams.
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  Speaker 3: More like Formula two.
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  Speaker 1: I think, see if you get doing yeah, que Let's
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  Speaker 1: move on though, to some of the big topics of
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  Speaker 1: this week. Matt Well really the big topic of this
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  Speaker 1: week since the British Grand Prix, and in fact in
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  Speaker 1: the days leading up to it, and it's a speculation
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  Speaker 1: ramping up really quite spectacularly that Red Bull Racing is
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  Speaker 1: contemplating the nuclear option of fitting Sergio Perez, perhaps as
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  Speaker 1: early as the mid season break if he doesn't lift.
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  Speaker 1: This comes off the back of six rounds in a
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  Speaker 1: row of really quite dire performances in which he scored
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  Speaker 1: just fifteen points. That's one fewer than Nico Holckenberg at
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  Speaker 1: has for example, just to illustrate that one. Now, Matt,
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  Speaker 1: I like a stat I think you do too. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that really binds this podcast together. I love
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  Speaker 1: a good statistic. So when you run you through some
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  Speaker 1: statistics we've compiled at Fox sports dot com dot are
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  Speaker 1: you for an article that should be online now whenever
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  Speaker 1: you're listening something we've been running in fact for the
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  Speaker 1: last few weeks. But these are his qualifying and race
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  Speaker 1: averages over the course of the year and how they
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  Speaker 1: compare to Max.
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  Speaker 3: Forstappen.
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  Speaker 1: So, on average is qualifying eight point three on the
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  Speaker 1: grids in what for a lot of the year was
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  Speaker 1: the fastest car. That's six point four places behind Max
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  Speaker 1: for stapp And that's the biggest gap of any teammates
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  Speaker 1: in Formula one. The time differential is point four eight
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  Speaker 1: six seconds. That's the biggest gap between teammates in Formula one.
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  Speaker 1: His race results is five point eight on average. That's
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  Speaker 1: four point two places behind Forstappen. The biggest gap in
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  Speaker 1: Formula one one hundred and thirty seven points behind Verstappen
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  Speaker 1: outscored at a rate of two point one six to
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  Speaker 1: one points, the third worst in Formula one, behind only
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  Speaker 1: Logan Sergeant, who's yet to score, and Kevin Magnuson, whose
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  Speaker 1: gap with Maker Holckenberg, to be fair is exaggerated a
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  Speaker 1: little bit by the fact both of them have scored
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  Speaker 1: relatively few points, so the percentages are quite large whichever
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  Speaker 1: way you cut at Matt he is the worst performing
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  Speaker 1: teammate in Formula one except for that last one I
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  Speaker 1: guess on points, which I explicitly pointed out. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: to envisage a way he can come back convincingly, though,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it, Because it's not only not the first time
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  Speaker 1: this has happened, it's happened last year as well. But
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  Speaker 1: even if he does perform moderately well in the next
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  Speaker 1: two Grand Prix, surely performances like these are going to
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  Speaker 1: be in the back of red Bull's mind for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the year.
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  Speaker 2: They are some fantastic stats. I'm a big fan of those.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and it spells it out perfectly, really
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it. Sergio hasn't delivered anywhere near the level that
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  Speaker 2: Red Bull needs, and the reason they need him scoring
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  Speaker 2: is that you've got a resurgent McLaren Mercedes is back
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  Speaker 2: on form Ferrari's Auto one races this year, you've got
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  Speaker 2: three teams nipping at their heels. Okay, Mescedes is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit further back. That could potentially challenge for the
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  Speaker 2: Constructors World Championship. That's what the money is paid out against.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the Driver's Championship. That's when that gets the headlines,
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  Speaker 2: but the money is actually paid out in the constructors
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  Speaker 2: So finishing first gives you a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 2: more dosh than what finishing second does. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: just we want points of bragging rights. There is a
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  Speaker 2: motive behind that. At the moment, that performance delta is significant,
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  Speaker 2: and it just doesn't seem like he's got any answer
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  Speaker 2: to it because it's been prolonged. This is his worst
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  Speaker 2: run since being at Red Bull. His previous worst run
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  Speaker 2: was I think he had a five or six race
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  Speaker 2: stretch in twenty twenty one where he had two DNFs,
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  Speaker 2: but he still scored twenty something points in six races.
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  Speaker 2: As you say, it'scored fifteen. That's abysmal for a car
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  Speaker 2: that should be on the podium pretty much every weekend.
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  Speaker 2: So it's crunch time, you know, Christian Horner sort of
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  Speaker 2: alluded to the fact that or he joked that he
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  Speaker 2: hoped the contract was going to spark him into some
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  Speaker 2: new form and it didn't. And he's also said that
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  Speaker 2: what he's delivering now is unsustainable. There's some big words
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  Speaker 2: for a team boss at the top end of pitt
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  Speaker 2: Lane and it just makes you wonder, we know how
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  Speaker 2: brutal that program is. What are they thinking. It was
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  Speaker 2: this time last year that they j Justison, Nick Devreese.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there was a test basically this day last year,
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Ricardo was doing a tire test at Silverston and
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  Speaker 2: that got him the gig at Alphatarrius. That then was
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  Speaker 2: that's now led on to him staying with that team.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the names that's been mentioned as a
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  Speaker 2: potential candidate for Sergio's seats. So to Liam Lawson, Interestingly,
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  Speaker 2: as we record this, I'm pretty sure Liam is on
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  Speaker 2: track doing some stuff for red Bull. Publicly, they're saying that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's just just a bit of error evaluation work.
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  Speaker 2: It's been planned for months and there's nothing really to it,
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  Speaker 2: I believe on the quiet it's a bit of benchmarking
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  Speaker 2: as well. So Liam is also a contender for that seat.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean that goes to show that there's two
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  Speaker 2: ways of sort of looking at this. Either Sergio has
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  Speaker 2: fallen that far that Red Bull and Christian Horner are
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  Speaker 2: now willing to entertain drivers below a level that they
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  Speaker 2: perhaps once would have, or you flip it around and
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  Speaker 2: they think that highly of Liam that he's even in
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  Speaker 2: that conversation in the first place. Interestingly, the one that's
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  Speaker 2: not really in contention there is Yuqi.
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  Speaker 1: Sonoda, which is absurd really because the whole point of
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  Speaker 1: the Red Bull Junior program is to have drivers ready
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  Speaker 1: to race at Red Bull Racing. And I understand Sonoda's
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  Speaker 1: first two seasons were a little bit sketchy. He was
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  Speaker 1: obviously being very fast since he debuted in Formula one'
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  Speaker 1: scored points on debut even but has been very rough
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  Speaker 1: around the edges, inconsistent sometimes even not a great temperament.
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  Speaker 1: Last year showed quite significant improvements. This year has been
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  Speaker 1: almost flawless.
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  Speaker 3: Ok.
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  Speaker 1: There was that after the flag dive bomb on Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Ricardo in Bahrain that was pretty intemperate, but that's the
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  Speaker 1: last sort of outbursty moment that really should count against
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  Speaker 1: him this year, and there's been maybe one or two
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  Speaker 1: at most off races he's had this year. One was
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  Speaker 1: in China, where he'd never raced before in Formula one,
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  Speaker 1: and one was in Austria, I think where he just
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really quiet on Daniel's level. There have been races
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  Speaker 1: he's been beaten by Daniel, of course, but otherwise he's
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  Speaker 1: been pretty close to the pace. I think it's ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: as you say that there's just no sign that he's
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  Speaker 1: being considered. I wonder if things get really grim, for example,
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  Speaker 1: if they benchmark Lawson as you say, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: Lawson's going to do a good job because he did
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  Speaker 1: a good job last year, but if they think maybe, well,
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  Speaker 1: not Red Bull Racing, and if they're still not sold
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  Speaker 1: by Daniel, that they might say, well, we've already got
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  Speaker 1: some note under contract. But it just doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: it's going that way. Let's start with Sonoda first before
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  Speaker 1: we talk about Let's say we're rather Lawson first before
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  Speaker 1: we talk about Daniel, because this is a really interesting one.
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  Speaker 1: He's been knocking on the door now for Formula one
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  Speaker 1: since almost this time last year, when he substituted for
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  Speaker 1: Daniel for five Grand Prix second alfter the year, did
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  Speaker 1: really well, scored some points in Singapore. No that it's
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  Speaker 1: one of the most difficult races there is in Formula One.
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  Speaker 1: He's been promised to see as far as we know,
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  Speaker 1: next year, or he's a free agent, which doesn't It
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  Speaker 1: means it's not really a promise, is it, Because the
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  Speaker 1: alternative is just they let him go, which is sort
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  Speaker 1: of contracts will work. It seems like the right time, right,
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  Speaker 1: there's clearly a seat by all indications, there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a seat one way or another, at a minimum
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  Speaker 1: next year, if not earlier. Putting him to Red bull
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  Speaker 1: racing though, seems like repeating every mistake Red Bulls driver
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  Speaker 1: program has made. That's taken it to hiring Sergio Peris
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  Speaker 1: and weirdly enough, offering him more contracts. It wasn't that
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  Speaker 1: long ago that Daniel left and they put in Pierre
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  Speaker 1: Gasley after one reasonably good season of Torosso okay season
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  Speaker 1: at Torosso, and then they replaced him after six months.
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  Speaker 1: Alban was put in after six months of Toroso. He
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  Speaker 1: was replaced after nine months. Nick Devreese was put in
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  Speaker 1: Alphatari after one good race if the Italian Grand Pro
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  Speaker 1: the previous year replaced after ten rounds.
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  Speaker 2: It's champion as well. Let's not get too flipping Well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, okay, yes, to be fair as well while
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  Speaker 1: we're here, and it's a world championship. While we're here,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out as well, it's not just all
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  Speaker 1: the I guess mystique around Red Bull and being Max
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  Speaker 1: for Staffen's teammate. Obviously those pressures will weigh on him,
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  Speaker 1: but the context is that Sergio Peeris will replaced because
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Red Bull is at risk of losing the Constructors Championship.
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  Speaker 1: So not only would you bringing Liam Lawson in effectively
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  Speaker 1: a rookie to go up against Max Vestaff and add
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest teams in Formula One, but you're
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  Speaker 1: also implicitly saying win us the constructors Championship, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll be to do that, you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: beat Lewis Hamilton and George Russelando, Noris Oskopiaspi, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: Ferrari drivers too. That just seems like a big mistake
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  Speaker 1: to me, which is why I actually think higher up
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  Speaker 1: the list, despite his lukewarm results this year, should be
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I agree with you wholeheartedly on that, which is a
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: first Markenstein new calendar people, I'm boring, Yeah, I know, right.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Liam Lawson going to Red Bull is a huge ask.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Not because he can't drive the car. That's I think
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: the easiest part of the job. It's all the other
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: stuff that goes around it that is a distraction to
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: a new driver. A youngster coming in needs the opportunity
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: to focus, to learn, their to make mistakes. Liam is
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: a well credentialed, experienced driver, but he is still young
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: and he will make mistakes. Red Bull is not a
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: team that can afford mistakes at this point. When you
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: add in the media scrutiny that will be under having
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: replaced Sergio Perez mid season, all the marketing stuff that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Red Bull does as well, the intense schedule that you've
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: got towards the back half the year. It's a huge
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: it's a huge ask and I think, I honestly think
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Redbel will be making a mistake. It's not that I
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: don't think Liam is capable. I think in time, giving
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: the right opportunity, he absolutely would be. But this is
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: the wrong opportunity, or at least the wrong scenario for
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: him to take that opportunity. What I think would make
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: more sense is, to your point, promote Daniel because it's
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit like Carlo Science and the driver market.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: It's the least worst option in many respects, clearly the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: correct and that was exactly where I was going, because
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: if they're not considering Sonota, if he's not being mentioned
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: in those conversations, there has to be a reason for that.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: And it's clearly not his on track because he's delivering there.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: So what is happening off track?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Is he a disruptive influence? Is he not communicative? Is
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: not that? There's something there. I don't know what it is,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: but there's something there that's holding them back. Daniel of
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: course has operated at that level. Daniel knows the team,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: he knows how to work under pressure. And also we
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: saw it at the tire test. And this is something
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: that I actually spoke to to my hewitoris w Rerecor
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Andrew van Lewin about today. He's a racing driver in
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: his own own right, although midily a Formula forward level.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: But I've got a theory on Daniel in that in
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a reasonably well soorted car with good engineering support, that
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: can put that car in a narrow operating window for Daniel,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: because I think he's got a narrow operating window as
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: a driver. If you can get the car in that
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: sweet spot, he can be brilliant. But if the car
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: is not in that sweet spot, which if you go
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to a lesser team, the car has a narrower operating window,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and if you don't have the engineering support getting into
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: that operating window and more the point, Daniel's zone in
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: that operating window is more difficult and is more hit
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and miss, which I think what we've seen over the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: years that Reno McLaren and now be to an extent
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: because the days he's good, he's very good, he's world class,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: as he always was. But the days he's bad, he's
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: seemingly nowhere, and without explanation for that, I think that's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the result of engineering and car set up, not necessarily
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a reflection of a reflection of Daniels talent, because that
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff doesn't go away overnight. We saw that
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: in Miami and Austria. So I think put Daniel back
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: into a red bull environment where you've got a well
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: sorted car and some world class engineering support, and I
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: actually think you'll flourish. I really do. It's a big call,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and I don't have anything to justify that belief with
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: other than he's done it before, but that was arguably
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a different Daniel. So it's interesting either way. No matter
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: what Ball does at this point, it's a gamble holding
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: on to Sergio. Well, you might be throwing away the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: constructors or a championship putting a rookie in. You might
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: be doing the same thing bringing Daniel back, or you
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: might be doing the same thing. So what of those
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: three gives you the surest bet. I think Sergio has
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: two races to save his career. Conversely, I think Daniel's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: got two races to save his career. And the reason
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I say that is if Sergio isn't replaced by Daniel,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Daniel will be replaced by Liam and then it's a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: ten race shootout between Liam and Yuki for the Red
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Bull Drive for twenty twenty five and Isaac Hadja comes
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: into the sea to RB.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: It's insane, isn't it That there's like the fifty to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: fifty call with Daniel is that it either goes to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the reigning championship winning team or loses his Formula One drive. Yeah, Like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: what a bizarre context for the next two races. It
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: is really interesting. Just before you move on, you sort
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of said, there, it's something I've been thinking about the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: last day or so. Is that idea that Daniel might
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: do better at Red Bull Racing. It's something that he's
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: said several times that he said his late stage McLaren
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: career was only a couple of years ago, and increasingly
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: as well since, has been this idea that if he
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: has a winning car, he will win in it. He
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't miss when the car is competitive, and I personally
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: always thought I always viewed comments like that as being
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a bit well, of course you will, like that's every
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Formula One driver. If you have a car that's capable
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of winning, you will probably win races. I mean, Sergio Peis,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I guess, is disproving that theory a little bit. But
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, it's self evident and we know Ricardo is
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a good enough driver that he can do that. But then,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: thinking back, if you think even of his McLaren tenure
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in those two years when he was on the whole
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: not very good, I think that's probably putting it politely.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: The one weekend the car was capable of winning one
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and then even the next weekend in Russia when Landon
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Norris almost won. He had what was excluding that Italian
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Grand Prix, the weekend in which he won his best
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: result of the year, which was fourth, and he was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: competitive in qualifying as well. At our b last year,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the best result the team got was his result in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Mexico this weekend. The best qualifying of any session was Miami,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: qualifying fourth. The best Grand Prix qualifying was Canada fifth,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and he probably could have finished closer to fifth had
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he not had that penalty for the clutch problem out
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: off the line. There is something in what he says,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: as skeptical as I am about the way he keep
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: saying it, that actually, and I think you've actually summed
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it up well, it is that narrow operating window when
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: things click, that's when we see that old Daniel in there.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And if you are red Bull as skeptical as it
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: does seem, they have been of his performances, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: comments a couple of weeks ago by both Peter by
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the RBCO and Christian Horner sort of suggested, oh okay,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like he hasn't shown enough and he needs to show
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a bit more. And I think that's fair but if
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you're Red Bull you've seen a couple of good performance,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you must be it must be tantalized just to get
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the final answer to put him in that car and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: go all right, we might either way we will lose
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the constructors seamleship. If Peris does it keeps underperforming or
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you're not good like, we're done. Either way, we may
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: as well give it a go. So even like I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just curious putting the patriotism aside, I'm curious too, like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I want to know what will happen. But it'll be
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: really interesting. I think the most elegant solutions. He goes
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to Red Bull, and then Lawson gets ten races that
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: are b and then we decide at the end of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the year. Unfortunate for Sergio, but we will wait and see.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: There's a lot riding on the next two races, which
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about in next week's podcast. Let's move on now,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I Matt though, by moving backwards in fact to the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: British Grand Prix, the halfway point of the season, round
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: twelve of twenty four. My goodness, twelve race is still
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to go, but Formula One seems to be getting better
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and better this year. The British Grand Prix perhaps the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: best trace of the season so far, certainly the most interesting,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I think, because we had three teams in victory contention,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: had a bit of mixed weather, classic English summer vibes,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and it was Lewis Hamilton who now Lis Hamilton, winning
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in Mercedes at the British Grand Prix. For many years
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it sounded quite boring, but this one was very different.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: In nearly a thousand days it's been since he last
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: won a race, dating back to Saudi Arabia twenty twenty one,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that Cursed Grand Prix. It was, of course one hundred
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and fourth victory, he's record breaking ninth at one circuit,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that being Silverstone. More interestingly, perhaps other than that really
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: feel good story, was that Mercedes was genuinely very competitive
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: but one of the most testing circuits in Formula One.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So Matt is Mercedes back.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Now it's a big statement, isn't It's a big question,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But you'd have to say, on balance it probably is
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: because this sort of stems back to Monica, where it
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: introduced a new front wing that did something magical to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that car, and unless you've got your bum in it,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you're never going to know exactly what it's done, but
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: it's brought that car alive and ever since George Russell
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: has as delivered Wonders and Lewis Hampton to a lesser
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: extent up until Silverston, it must be said, but whatever
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton drinks the night before he goes to Silictin
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: over the years, it's against some drivers who just lived
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: at an event, and for Lewis that's a British grand prince,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit like Nigel Manson was back in the days,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and it was just extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary what he's done
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: around that place over the years. But yeah, so we're
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: now what six or seven races in after Monaco and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Mercedes has been there or thereabouts. Take Canada out, you
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: know that he probably could and should have done better there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But it won in Austria. Okay, it wasn't quite in
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the lead battle, but it still had to be in
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: position to win that race. It beat Ferrari. Ferrari is
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: statistically the second best team in Formula One still at
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the moment, only just but still so yeah, I think
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: we've got to say that we don't just have Ferrari
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and Rebel or McLaren. Rebell We've got Red Bull, Ferrari,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: McLaren and Mercedes. There's four teams on any given weekend
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that can win. Now that the conditions in Silverson suited
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the Mercedes, you know, the cooler conditions that tends to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: light that lewis in that sort of almost wet, not quite.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: He is absolutely supreme in those conditions. And the reason
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he's one World seven World champions Ships was perfectly laid
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: bare for us. The guy as a superstar and he
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: he drove the wheels off the thing to win that race.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: He didn't inherit it, he didn't play strategy or whatever.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He just drove a bloody good race throughout. Crucially, Mercedes
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: didn't make mistakes either, and that car was stronger than
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the Rebel. I don't think it was as strong as
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the McLaren, but it was stronger than the Red Bull.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Not the first time there was Selmplans won a race
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: by driving the wheels off a car. At least this
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: time wasn't. Laterally, he alluded there to Mercedes having a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: pretty flawless performance and that backing up Lewis Hamilton's excellent
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: drive that compares fairly poorly or compares well compares pauly
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for McLaren, who did have probably the fastest car on balance,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: certainly at various points in this race it was the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: fastest car, but made several mistakes that counted the team
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: as in its entirety, out of victory contention. First with
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri, who's fast becoming I think the unluckiest man
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in Formula One. At the first pit stops he was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: left out a lap too late, lost pretty much a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: whole pit stops wort of time in one lap. Then
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: with Lando Norris by leaving him out too late, having
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the wrong tie on his car, and then he also
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: made a mistake entering his pit box, cost himself probably
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the crucial two and a half seconds that he rejoined
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the track behind Lewis Hamilton. This is now becoming a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: little bit of a trend, and this might be something
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: we expand on next week, in fact, because I think
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it's a bigger topic than we can sum up in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the last few minutes of this podcast. But it's been
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: several races now where you can count. Atlanta Norris has
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: been very open about this that McLaren had the folds
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and resources to win and did not. This just seems
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: like growing pains, I suppose. Dozen it's been a long
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: time since McLaren's been a front running car. This year,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it isn't just occasionally good like it was last year.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It is good at every track. It's capable of winning
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: at every circuit, but it's also tripping up at most
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of those circuits.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, growing pains is a really good description, I think
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: because McLaren is a team that has won hundreds or
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: over one hundred races of World Championships in the past,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: but they are for the most part, a generation or
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: so ago. We're going we're talking ten to fifteen years
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: ago that they've been a proper force. So they're doing
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it having to do some learning, and when you're operating
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: against the best in the business, a small mistake is magnified,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: particularly when it's as close as it is this year.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It's not like Red Bull last year, where you could
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: make a little mistake it wouldn't matter because you had
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: forty second lead. Now, if you make a small operational error,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: you're going to lose a place or two or more.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: McLaren made a few of those over the weekend. The
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: strategic call with leaving Oscar out for an extra lap.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I don't understand that one at all. It was clearly
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: deteriorating quickly in terms of the conditions. You bring him in,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you stack him, you lose two seconds. You know, he
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: could have even backed it up and mitigated that a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: little bit. He was always going to lose no matter
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: what McLaren did at that point, he was going to lose.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So it's that favorite saying for this part. It's the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: least worst option. You box him, you stack him in
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: there and if you know, if you do a really
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: slick pit stuff with Oscar, and chances are you going
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to get him out almost uninhibited, a bit like Mercedes
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: did with Lewis and Vowtrie or was that back in
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: China a few years ago? But then the Lando thing,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that's just a lack of confidence, isn't it, Because that
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: was a decision I understand that was driven by Lando,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the guy who's in the seat, who sees each corner
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: once every ninety seconds or so, and has nothing but
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the little periscope that he's looking out at the front
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of his car on the pitwall. They see the entire track,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: they see the way they're coming in, they see what
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: everyone else is doing. They've got vastly more information. They
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: are so much more informed. You know why even offer
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: him the solution Toto Wolf, I think it was a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Christian Horner said, you know, they had the perfect tire
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: there for the conditions. The soft you couldn't push. The
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: hard was probably a little bit too hard. But you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: given that he needed to push to stay ahead or
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: probably pass Lewis, because I think even without sliding along
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: he was going to he's probably going to fall behind Lewis.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: But with those new medium tires, he and Oscar were
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the only drivers at the front of the race that
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: had that option, and Oscar showed, you know, he was
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: two seconds of lap faster than people. It's at various
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: points right up until Color of Science, when put the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: softs on in the last lap or two to get
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: fastest lap, you know, Oscar was flying. It's a massive,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: massive own goal in my opinion for McLaren and just
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: another sign that they're very close, but they're not yet.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: There is as a championship force, if that makes sense.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Seems like it's mostly communication because you can draw a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: line between the Canadian Grand Prix and this where they
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: just weren't communicating efficiently enough for him to pit in
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that few seconds he had as he passed pit exit
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: as the safety card was called out, and that lost
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: him the Canadian Grand Prix. It was Alex Brundle, I think,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, who compared the radio communications between Max with
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: staff and Lando Norris at the British Grand Prix, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: he suggested that at no point did Red Bull ever
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ask Max what tire he wanted, because they were already
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on the same page from either the pre race briefing
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: or because well, in actual fact, he only had a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: new hard left, so I guess there weren't really any options,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but there was too much talk about which tie to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: go on. Of course, you do want the driver to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: be able to contradict the team occasionally or at least
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: give the opinion, but you should really be generally telling
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: him what the team's opinion is first and that's the default,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and then if he has a very strong opinion that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: can be voiced in the same way I think Charloteclair did.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Actually at the first pit stops, although his opinion was wrong,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: he pitted way too early for intermediates and that killed
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: his race as well. When he was running in the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: points so definitely work to be done there. For McLaren,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: we might dive a little bit into particularly Oscar Piastre
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: season so far in next week's podcast and how he
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: could have already had that long awaited first Grom free
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: victory by now had luck been a little bit more
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: on his side, because I think it's underrated how good
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: his season has been with the only one or two
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: exceptions tops. But that is a story for next week, Matt.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: This is well nearly the end of the podcast because
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: we've got one new, final new segment and they are
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: our driver ratings or ratings, let's just call them the ratings.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I'll let you kick this one off because while it's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: been very big a couple of weeks and a very
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: big British Grand prein, and I'm interested to hear who
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you've been rating or not.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So these are completely arbitrary, basically on our own
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: opinion of the weekend. They don't necessarily reflect the finishing
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: order or whatever. But essentially we picked three people and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: award them a number of points. So I'll kick it off.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: What do we alternate this and make it interesting. My
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: first name is Lewis Hamilton, and I've given him nine
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: points because nine is a number of British Grand Prixs.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Now one that's nice. I like that.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: My first selection is the organizers collectively of the British
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Grand Prix. I'm giving them negative one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: eight thousand points because the race was apparently sold out
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  Speaker 1: despite tickets being available and being exorbitantly priced. I think
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: five times the cost of a ticket to Australian Grand
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Prix and no very different events. To be fair, Australian
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Grand Prix backed by the state governments. Silveston's totally private enterprise.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, if you can't sell out a race
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  Speaker 1: in formula on these days, I don't believe I'm saying
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that this year these days, well then I think you
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: might need to look at your prices.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I like that. One hundred and six years.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to tell you what they're gonna need a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: big second half of the year. Make that.
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  Speaker 3: At risk of being replaced halfway through the season.
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  Speaker 2: But he tried that once, didn't he. So the second
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: name I feel might have been far too sensible here.
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  Speaker 2: The second name I've got is is Nico Holkenberg, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I've given him plus sixteen because that's a number of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: points that he's scored in the time that it has
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: taken ser Jo Perez to score fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I think that's very topical as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually dating this next choice back a week because
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: we've been off the podcast for a few weeks, so
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: dating back to the Austrian Grand Prix, and I'm giving
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: negative ten points. I think all mine a negative Actually
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  Speaker 1: that's isn't it? Negative ten points to the f one
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: graphics department who were based in the UK but misspelled
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Great Britain on the big graphics that appear behind the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: drivers in the post race interviews when they were highlighting
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  Speaker 1: the next race. I'm still waiting for the Great Brittaian
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  Speaker 1: Grand Prix.
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  Speaker 2: So how many points were you penalizing them for.
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  Speaker 1: Just negative ten because a type I've made the same hypo,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: so I don't want to visit you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's yeah, let's not talk about typeos. We've
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: all made them. We're all very sorry and we will
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  Speaker 2: never live it down on social media again. Mine feels
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit sensible. Now, I'll turn you the score first.
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  Speaker 2: It's minus forty three, okay, and it goes to McLaren's strategists,
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  Speaker 2: because that's the value of a one to two finish.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Good because I.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Mean you're not including the point for fastest lap I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: s ofpose, So that's all right, that is.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Very no, We're going to change it forty four minus
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: forty four for McLaren's strategists.
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  Speaker 3: Very good. I like that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take twenty five points off to Sonny Hayes,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the fictional character played by Brad Pitt in the upcoming
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: F one film entitled F one but not Knowing how
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: building a racing car works. Based on the one line
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of dialogue we've heard him speak so far, I wasn't impressed.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I hope he lifts from here. May be risk of
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: being asked in the second half of the season.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: They they brought him back, didn't they?
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: He has.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, And in fact I've only just discovered this, so
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: people may be already onto this. But apex GP, which
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: is the fictional racing team, has a Twitter account and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: at the end of last year it sacks Nick Devrees.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: So I left four. Nick's been sacked.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: In real life and in the fictional F one world,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: so I don't know.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: What's going on. It's worth going and finding it on
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Twitter and having a read of some of the responses
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to it because people actually getting really into it. It's
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: it's quicker. I'm looking forward to the side pot updates.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Apparently they've got coming worked well in Silverston. Yeah, I've
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: got a feeling that this isn't the only time that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Sonny Hayes is going to feature in this ranking system.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I'm on board with this. I think this is going
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to work well.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for APEXGP signing Carls signed as well at
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the end of the bring you that update as it happens,
• 36:00
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• 36:01
  Speaker 1: or as we're calling it, the least Worse Option this week.
• 36:05
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• 36:07
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• 36:09
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