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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Basketball vs Ohio State Preview (Episode 682) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, everybody. It is time for three guys before
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  Speaker 1: the game, and the crew is formally assembled. The Dean
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  Speaker 1: It's our wake Forest. No, it's not, it's our Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: let's jump on in. Since the last time we were together,
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  Speaker 1: the Mountaineers scored another basketball victory. It was over Little
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  Speaker 1: Rock formerly known as Arkansas. Little Rock changed the new
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  Speaker 1: just to Little Rock, and they're the Trojans, and they've
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of injuries that they're dealing with right now.
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  Speaker 1: A bit of a depleted roster, only dressed nine young
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  Speaker 1: men for the contest, and West Virginia had its way.
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  Speaker 1: Honor Huff did his thing. He had eight threes. They
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  Speaker 1: kept him out there for just a smidge basically one possession, had.
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  Speaker 2: One more possession to try and get him.
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  Speaker 1: The ninth, and they just couldn't get him a good look.
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  Speaker 1: Nine would have tied the all time school record. I
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  Speaker 1: did some research. Okay, I did some research on this
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  Speaker 1: and probably should not reveal it because I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: use it for one of the trivia questions on Ross's
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  Speaker 1: show tonight, and you know how those people are. You
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  Speaker 1: need to save it all. I'm going to say this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say, well to just say I can
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  Speaker 1: say this without ruining the question on the show's not live,
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, but people listen because by the time
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  Speaker 1: we get to the show tonight at Kegler's, they're all
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  Speaker 1: up in press coverage going you said this on the
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  Speaker 1: show that you said this, I was like, okay, right,
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  Speaker 1: let me just run a little hitch here. Let's step
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  Speaker 1: back a little bit. Someone needs to set a screen
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  Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. So, Honor Huff has already done something
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  Speaker 1: that's never been done in the history of West Virginia basketball. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: made eight twice twice. No one else ever made eight twice.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Roff had the nine, but Roff never had
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  Speaker 1: an eight. Well, he had an eight, he had once
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  Speaker 1: leading to the nine. Yeah, he had eight, but he
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  Speaker 1: didn't have nine. So this is my obvious observation.
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  Speaker 3: It's relevant now, no, will honor Huff at some point
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  Speaker 3: catch Ruoff. We will honor Huff this season some point
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  Speaker 3: at nine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, He's had two runs at it in eleven games.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty darn good. Yeah, so it's just the I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Ther challenge becomes, now, how does anybody possibly leave him
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  Speaker 2: open enough to get off welle that many shots?
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  Speaker 1: Not in the league?
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  Speaker 2: Is that that league's gonna look at that and go
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  Speaker 2: what somebody else better.
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  Speaker 1: Figure that out.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be a wrestling like yeah, yeah, they'll they'll face
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  Speaker 3: guard and they'll put three on it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how he'll ever get the shot. He's
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  Speaker 2: just been lighting it up continuously. How you allow him
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  Speaker 2: to get free moving forward? I don't know why you
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  Speaker 2: would do that.
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  Speaker 3: As an opposing team, It'll be like they'll put like
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  Speaker 3: a defensive back on him or a safety.
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  Speaker 2: It just well, that's what if you go back to
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  Speaker 2: the Charleston, South Carolina. I mean, that's what was starting
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Little Rock just didn't have the capability to
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  Speaker 2: do that. But the physicality of him trying to get
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  Speaker 2: through the lane and off picks, that's something that those
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  Speaker 2: officials are going to have to keep an eye on
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  Speaker 2: because he's getting he's getting some shots taken at him.
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  Speaker 1: If you were to do it from an odds standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: the best odds he'll have to do it is one
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  Speaker 1: more chance against Mississippi Valley State a week from Monday.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be his best chance because other than that, people
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  Speaker 1: are going to stand on top of his shoes for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But as we've seen, dude doesn't need a lot of
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  Speaker 2: shots to get to that number or sixteen. So he's
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  Speaker 2: sixteen of twenty from three in those two games where
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  Speaker 2: he's come within one.
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  Speaker 1: Of breaking the record.
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  Speaker 2: Think about that sixteen of twenty. You can't shoot lamps
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  Speaker 2: at that clip. Agree, sixteen of twenty in those two runs.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, he does not need to be just
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  Speaker 1: on the three point line. Oh, he had a hell
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  Speaker 1: of a heat check against Little Rock. He is he
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  Speaker 1: can be basically the half court's available to him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that's not even a joke.
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  Speaker 2: He was he steps across half I mean he said
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  Speaker 2: that one that was five feet inside a half court already.
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  Speaker 1: He tried one from five feet past half court the
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  Speaker 1: other night, why you know, And I had no problem
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  Speaker 1: with it. What the heck, just let her fly and
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  Speaker 1: hit the rim. I have no problem. He shoots it
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  Speaker 1: forever he wants. He's fun. Yeah, he's a fun, dude.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have tracing Eagle Staff. He corked down
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  Speaker 1: five and we just kind of shrugged our shoulders with
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  Speaker 1: a five of five. I mean again, the entire perspective
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  Speaker 1: of three point makes has changed. I mean, when in
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  Speaker 1: the past, if someone hit four, you go oh at four,
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  Speaker 1: Now we go like, yeah, Eagle Staff had five, Well
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  Speaker 1: had eight again because the game has changed too, right.
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  Speaker 3: It used to be like, oh my gosh, a guy
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  Speaker 3: hit a three, and now it's just everybody's lightning the
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  Speaker 3: number four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but those guys like Tray just has happened to
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  Speaker 2: and these things are correlated. This isn't this isn't coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: But Trey's two best shooting performances one came in the
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  Speaker 2: closed scrimmage against Maryland when he hits six. Well, while
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  Speaker 2: he have six, well, Honor had ten. So it left
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  Speaker 2: a second shooter you couldn't match up with both of them.
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  Speaker 2: What happened the other night, Honor gets eight. What happened
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  Speaker 2: to Trey He got a ton of open looks too.
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  Speaker 2: Those two things are interrelated. And then, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: we keep talking about moving forward. When those guys find
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  Speaker 2: their group. Okay, you want to take Honor out. Well,
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  Speaker 2: then if Trey is left open and he can continue
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  Speaker 2: to make shots, then also then that opens the driving
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  Speaker 2: lanes for chance.
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  Speaker 1: That stuff all works together. Think about this off the
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  Speaker 1: top of my head. Seven players have hit eight or
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  Speaker 1: more shots, eight or more threes in a game. It's
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  Speaker 1: happened three times in the last two seasons. Tucker to Reese, Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: had Bahamas down, the Bahamas had an eight an Honors
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  Speaker 1: had has done it twice. Yeah, So that was little rock.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that. We'll get some of the spreads
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  Speaker 1: on stats coming up. Also, will preview a highest state.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to be coming off a loss to Illinois. Man,
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  Speaker 1: they score Ohio State scores. It got one of the
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  Speaker 1: leading scorers in the nation in Bruce Forton, who's at
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  Speaker 1: twenty one per contest. And then he's got four other mates,
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  Speaker 1: three other mates, four other mates, three other mates probably
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  Speaker 1: that are averaging over thirteen points per game, almost fourteen
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  Speaker 1: points per game. So they score them. As they say,
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  Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Good contrast and styles in that one coming up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: wells strange defense against their offense.
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  Speaker 1: is I noticed yesterday when I watched the show back
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  Speaker 3: rock game fun entertaining. It's nice when everything goes well.
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  Speaker 3: Opponent adjusted, Brad, But it was a relief. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of gaudy numbers you'll probably get into Huff Eagle staff.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about the shooting percentage. A lot of players
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  Speaker 3: into the act, a ton of three point shots, Brad.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the number that stood out to me in that,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of numbers. Twenty two assists, twenty
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  Speaker 3: two assists, right and Coach Hodge said, I thought they
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  Speaker 3: were on the receiving end of really unselfish play to
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  Speaker 3: the point where I think they overpassed a couple of times,
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  Speaker 3: so really moved the ball around.
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  Speaker 1: I know you'll have something on that.
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  Speaker 2: There was one. There was one time on Trey. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Trey had had he'd hit a couple already, had a
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  Speaker 2: right wing three that was wide open that.
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  Speaker 1: Was passed, and he passed it up to kick it
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  Speaker 1: and I gave them. I gave it the and he made.
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  Speaker 2: One pass, an extra pass, and it ended up in
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  Speaker 2: a three, and it was a great decision to make
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  Speaker 2: the extra pass. But yeah, to Ross's point, they were
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  Speaker 2: distributing the ball extremely well.
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  Speaker 1: Coach how Coach Coach how was wrong. Trason Right is
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  Speaker 1: a good decision.
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  Speaker 3: And the honor said after the game about all the threes.
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  Speaker 3: More importantly, it opens on Brad. You touched on this already.
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  Speaker 3: It opens up more of our offense for everybody else.
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  Speaker 3: That is a key going forward, correct, correct, Yeah, upcoming
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State game. I actually, by accident watched the Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State Illinois game.
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  Speaker 1: How did that accidentally have it around and saw it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I don't know. I accidentally found it
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  Speaker 3: and I watched it. Uh, And that was that was
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  Speaker 3: a good game. Was that Ohio State. It was an Illinois,
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  Speaker 3: very very good Buckeyes came up short eighty eight to
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  Speaker 3: eighty and Brad, I know you'll break down the Buckeyes,
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  Speaker 3: but Tony you mentioned him. Watch out for number two
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  Speaker 3: Bruce Thornton, right, he's a player. The guard scored thirty
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  Speaker 3: four points. Brad had six rebound six assists the first half.
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  Speaker 1: He was on.
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  Speaker 2: Fire, twenty four point six threes in the first.
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  Speaker 3: Half, nine of ten from the field in the first
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  Speaker 3: in the first half until bred Underwood said, listen, guys,
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  Speaker 3: put somebody on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: We've played him before, played him last time up there.
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  Speaker 2: He had eleven against Western.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting is they've already played two league games. They
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  Speaker 1: played at Northwestern. Last weekend they played Illinois at Homing,
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  Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you jam a non league
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  Speaker 1: game in here.
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  Speaker 2: I hope they foul us as much as they foul Illinois.
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  Speaker 2: Illinois made twenty nine free throws twenty nine of thirty
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  Speaker 2: two from the line.
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  Speaker 1: A superstar watch Onebruary.
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  Speaker 3: February twenty eighth, BYU is going to be coming to
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  Speaker 3: Hope Coliseum, and that will be the one and only
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  Speaker 3: time the Mountainer fans will get to see in a
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  Speaker 3: college uniform. Eighteen year old aj de Bonsa. He is,
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  Speaker 3: he's a dude. In fact, homeless. Homeless was at Madison Square.
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  Speaker 3: This was there, Yeah, watching the game.
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  Speaker 1: He was so excited. He was texting about De Bonsa
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  Speaker 1: live texting during the game, live texting, And why you laughing?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead? What are you laughing about? Nothing the way
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  Speaker 1: he's saying, De Bonsa, No, that's right, he's right, yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 1: what were you laughing about? What do you gig? Went about?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead? Hot? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Well, and BYU was down twenty one in that game,
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  Speaker 3: came back in the second half. De Boncea had twenty
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  Speaker 3: two second half points and they beat Clemson sixty seven
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  Speaker 3: sixty four.
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  Speaker 1: And Robert Wright, who we know from well, you saw
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  Speaker 1: him playing person last Robert Right.
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  Speaker 3: The third hit a three at the buzzer. But de
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  Speaker 3: Bonsa is he's a dude, man, he's a he's a
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  Speaker 3: he's an NBA guy playing in the college game right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: You know how things kind of even out in sports.
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  Speaker 2: That's a Clemson loss. They should never have West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: should have not lost to Clemson. They should not have
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  Speaker 2: lost to BYU. They had a twenty two to nothing
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  Speaker 2: run in that game. Again, twenty two zero. Don't see
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  Speaker 2: that very often. Evan Maya, Evanmya, evanmea dot com charts
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  Speaker 2: those as kill shots ten plus zero runs or more.
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  Speaker 2: How many do you have in a game? You get
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  Speaker 2: one of those and usually win seventy one percent of
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  Speaker 2: the time. They had a twenty two zero run.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, du bons is going to be in Madison Square
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  Speaker 3: Garden future times with a pro team.
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  Speaker 1: How about that one donkey yet?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't see how he got to the rim
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  Speaker 3: he started It looks like Jordan he started just inside
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  Speaker 3: the foul line and dunked the ball.
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  Speaker 1: He's got all the pro moves. I was just excited,
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  Speaker 1: hope he's finally found aj Debonce. Well, it's obvious, I
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  Speaker 1: obvious observing. I'm not going to beat deep observer. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: We saw him last year only was on his quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote official recruiting visit to BYU. He was there that night.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, it was an absolute it was a circus show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But he's got every NBA move. Yeah. Yeah, he's got
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  Speaker 1: that unbelievable turnaround, fade away jumper, just unbelievable body control.
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  Speaker 1: Reportal they getting paid more than most NBA guys too.
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  Speaker 3: And he's eighteen. Yeah, he'll be nineteen. I think he
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  Speaker 3: turns nineteen in January when he gets here. But I
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  Speaker 3: mean February twenty eighth, market on your calendar. Comes see
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  Speaker 3: an NBA guy and see what West Virginia does with him.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, you'll see a few come through this year.
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  Speaker 1: You know Thornton who they're going to see on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 1: He's a late first round, early second round pick. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: this league's tough. I mean, there's guys, there's guys. This
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  Speaker 1: courtesy of the research.
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  Speaker 3: I did some research on this by meaning that I
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: talked to Ben Lohman.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to identify Ben Lohman. People just don't
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: know who Ben Lohman. He just can't say Ben Loman.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: He's not like you're saying Ben Afflack. I mean's Ben Lohman.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Ben Lohman is Dan Loman's son. Dan Lehman works.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Works with us as a TV producer. But Ben Lowman
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: is a wv student soccer player.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: But he's not a soccer player. Let me let me
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: help you, all right. Ben Lohman is the director of
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: our operations for the WVU men's soccer team. Go ahead,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: so he did the research for me.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Anyway, the Major League Soccer Draft is coming up December eighteenth,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: so I was interested. So what happens with Marcus Caldera.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's already been drafted, was.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Drafted by Minnesota a couple of years ago, and I thought, well,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: does hea he's still in a draft.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: What happened? So Loman talked.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: To Caldera himself and Caldera is he he's committed to
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Minnesota has until the end of the month to sign him,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: or Caldera becomes a free agent.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: To the end of this month. Yeah, what are you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: smiling about? Because he's laughing like, hell, I'm just gonna
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: try to egg him out. So we see.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: And apparently Caldera doesn't know. He hasn't been in touch
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: with Minnesota. He doesn't know if Minnesota's going to sign
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: him or whether he becomes a free agent. So we
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: got to keep an eye on that. But he is
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: not subject to the eighteenth draft. But who is subject
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: to the eighteenth draft is Pablo Pazos Posos Pazos sure
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Posos with who is right behind Caldera in scoring and assists,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: and he's expected to go in the first round on
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: December eighteenth to Orlando's city, South Carolina m Major League Soccer.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: So you have probable first rounder and a guy who
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: would be a first rounder if he was a Brad,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: if he was eligible for the draft. But he'll be
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the pros next year.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I like how you're branching off on obvious observations. You're
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: just not doing just you know, I.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Get into he helped hire Stratford, so it's not surprised
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: that he fell us get Much like ads are tied
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to high, he's tied to the higher Dan Stratford so
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Strats is doing great pumping out pros, so hop he's
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: trying to make sure he's you know, reiterates that tie
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to Stratford.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Correct. You know what's interesting, Hoppy. And you may have
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: checked it, like I'm the roster on a WU sports roster. Yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: like they have pronunciations. Oh I should have checked of players.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Well here's Shelly Ekvist. Yeah right, you got Tristan Posta Hagy. Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: But you know what, they got one for positive. They
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: don't have one for Pazos. So basically it's got to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: be Pazos because it's so simple to them. They go like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we don't have to give you a pronouncer on Pazos.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: It's po z Os Pazos. By the way, this is
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: another sign. I met him. We're in the Sahara.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: No no, when we did the thing at the football
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: stadium for United Way.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of the athletes were there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, And he had a he had a soccer jersey
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: on that said Rwanda and I went up to him.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I said, have you are you from I've been to
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: so I was trying to established him. He says, no,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I'm from Spain, and he is from Spain.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't doesn't deny that, So I that's that's
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: all I got. Good, good work. Well you say that
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you're turtling at all.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: My observation, I mean bad busted me because I just
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: discovered the b YU player who everybody knows about.
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• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm all seriously, I'm just glad Hoppy's on basketball
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: prior to the calendar changing.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Usually he won't engage until January. So you are.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: So I'm not taunting you because you are in a
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: month earlier than what you normally. Normally, you won't engage
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: with me when we're over doing those four hundred hours
• 20:44
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• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I'd like to talk basketball a little bit. You won't deal.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You're on early, So I do appreciate that you've come
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: around here welcome, trying to be I'm well, yeah, so
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be engaged.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You are. I mean, hell, you got a credit to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that you watched Illinois the other day in Ohio State.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. You coming with the bonsa.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I mean you're bringing.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't watched a non conference basketball game in years,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: let alone a non conference game not involving West Virginia.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So you do get a lot of you get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of credit.
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  Speaker 1: For coming on. And you know what, you almost texted
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  Speaker 1: me you watch text I'm watching. I'll give you credit
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  Speaker 1: the other night, so Texas State, how do you score
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  Speaker 1: one o nine? Well, you gotta score like every time
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  Speaker 1: the other team was charitable lined up. They had some
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  Speaker 1: before the game. You ready to do your thing? Bradley, sir,
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  Speaker 1: good numbers, I.
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  Speaker 2: Got, well, I got a lot of numbers. I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, so you went off on this one. Huh, Okay,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do some little rock, We're gonna do some
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  Speaker 2: We're just gonna give a general observation that you you
• 24:01
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• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Excuse me about the elite shooting between Honor and Tracon.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: This came from our from the MSN show. David Kahn
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: brought this. I thought this was pretty interesting. Last time
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: West Virginia's made fifteen threes and shot at least fifty
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: percent from three. You have to go back to November eighteen,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, so before you've had a game like that
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the other night. At the shooting percentage, that's really good.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And again you get a lead shooters open and here's
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the buzzword.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Of the day. Okay, because I'm about to say the.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Word unguarded one hundred times in the next five or
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: six minutes, So bear with me.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Here's some numbers.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: The other night against Little Rock, West Virginia got twenty
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: seven points from unguarded catch and shoot jumpers. To me,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: we thought there was a lot of open looks. The
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: other night there was. That's the most this season. Previous
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: high was eighteen. Had twenty unguarded catch and shoot jumpers
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: in the game, twenty open shots, only five guarded. So
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: you talked about the passing hoppy. Little Rock had a
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: tough time finding where West Virginia was on the floor.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: That's an ungodly number. Previous high was fourteen on guarded
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: against Coppin State. Not a coincidence that the previous high
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: for threes made was against the cop State. We talked
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: on Monday show about Honor not getting a single on
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: guarded catch and shoot look versus Wake versus Little Rock.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: He had seven of those. Only one of his catch
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and shoots were classified as guarded. So you talk about
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: losing the best shooter in the building. Little Rock did
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: so only the third time all season where Honor has
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: had more than one unguarded catch and shoot jumper in
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a game, only third time in eleven games.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Think about that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: The guy's leading the nation in made threes and he's
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: averaging less than two clean catch and shoot jumpers per game,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So that might be more remarkable than the fact that
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: he's leading the country and made threes. He is making
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: these while being guarded, as the system classifies it. Trey
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Eagle staff six of his nine catch and shoots were unguarded.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: That's twice as many as he's had in a previous game.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So you give really good shooters open looks, they're generally
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: going to do what bang down shots.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Did rock there did?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: They have so decimated that one family gets hurt and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a third of their roster, the Robinson family. Three players
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: on that team were hurt, two of their best players,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: three dudes, one family now gone. That's a tough brand,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that is that's tough for former NBA player Darryl Walker. Yes,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: you mentioned the assists rate, sixty seven percent assist rate
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: assisted on sixty seven percent of the basket, so on
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: two thirds of the shots West Virginia made. There was
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: an assist. That's a season high. Now that that makes
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: some sense, you make that many shots threes usually come
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: off a pass. Those are going to lead to some
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: easy assists. But I made the note here Tony to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: ask this question. How many times during the broadcast did
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: we see wow? Did we say great extra pass? Right
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: there by? West Virginia a bunch so hoppy? You alluded
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: to that earlier. Both point guards were really solid in
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this game. Jasper and Amir, for the second time this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: year combined for twelve assists. They each had six twelve assists,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: four turnovers. So we've said this before, a three to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: one ratio out of your point guards will win you
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a bunch of games. I thought the most impressive part
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of the pass was it was back to being really
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: good out of the post, and that was where West
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Virginia early on got it down into Harlan or be
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: low down in the post and then could swing it
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: back across the field or across the court to get
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: some open looks. And I thought that was back. There
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: was one when Harlan just was strong with it and
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: stepped through a double team, I mean literally through the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: double team and found honor for a right wing three.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: We didn't see that much against Wake Forest Hop and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: it's sometimes as simple as that. And again I know
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: it is opponent adjusted Wake versus Little Rock. All due
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: respect to the Trojans, but Wake, when they were blitzing
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: on that double team, West Virginia not only couldn't get
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: it out with good passes, but they were turning it
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: over inside as well. The other night they just did
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and they passed out of that and it ended up
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: into some great shots.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Let me walk through something.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Here before we get to before we get to Ohio State,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and happy you'll you'll find some interest in this. Tell
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you might have heard a little bit this the other night.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: We talked about this before the game, but I wanted
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to get into the three point variants that comes. And
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: sometimes it isn't so much about your defense as it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: is the other team just sometimes misses shots. And we
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: talk a lot about unguarded and guarded shots, and West
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Virginia the night made their unguarded shots.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Well, that doesn't always happen at this level. A lot
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of times teams will miss. Oh I know where you're
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: going here, and I just this.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Is going to be a lot of numbers. So I apologize.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: If you don't like numbers, you don't like stature, you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: probably turn this segment off already. But this is going
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to be heavy numbers. But it gets to a point
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: here at the end.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: So follow me. I think you'll find this of interest.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Right because you like logical discussions. This will be a
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: logical discussion back by some data.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, he said, stay tuned for the end. It's a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: hell of a close I'm ready.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So West Virginia right now is fifth nationally in two
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: point field goal percentage defense, fifth for their opponents. Okay, okay, right,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So fifth nationally. Teams are shooting right around that forty
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: percent range from two point range. Okay, but they're two
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy sixth. West Virginia's two hundred and seventy
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: sixth in three point field goal percentage defense. Man, those
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: things don't jive. Dude, That your top five in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: nation from inside the arc and bottom one hundred teams
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: in three point percentage?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I laughed the light. I can I dive into that? Here?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Can I find an answer to that? Here's what I uncovered,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: all right, uncovered investigative report.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we know that Xavier couple games, Ago made
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: an opponent all time record against West Virginia made threes.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They made sixteen of them, which was unbelievable, but maybe
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: more unbelievable as they did that in just twenty five attempts.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Only four of those twenty five attempts were charted as unguarded,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: so West Virginia was was guarding most Unlike Little Rock
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the other night, those trees by Xavier weren't just guys
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: sitting out there with shooting practice. They were guarded or contested.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Only went out of twenty five were guarded.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: They had four unguarded. Okay, Xavier scored twelve points on
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: those on guarded shots. They got four, they got twelve points,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: so they made a three on every one of them,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent of their on guarded shots they scored
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a three.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to do. So I thought, okay, that's.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: One game that happened sometimes. So I went into Wake Forest.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Juke Harris had a pretty good game. Yeah, seventeen total
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: field goal attempts, twelve three point attempts. Only four of
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: his shots were classified as on guarded, so for the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: most part, Juke Harris was guarded. He scored twelve points
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: on those shots. Such two occasions where we've seen unbelievable
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: from a team, unbelievable from a player. They made every
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: open shot that they got. They didn't get many, they
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: made every one. So I thought, well, that seems odd,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: so I kept going. West Virginia is last nationally, dead
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: last in the country, and opponents points per possession on
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: unguarded catch and shoot jumpers dead last.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: People are stroking it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Teams are averaging one point six points per possess on
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: those on guarded shots, so nearly in not a three,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: not every they're not one hundred percent from three, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: almost two points every time they get an unguarded look.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Dead last in the country. But if you then look
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: at how many on guarded shots are given up per game,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: West Virginia is twelfth nationally in fewest given up. They're
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a top fifteen team in fewest open shots and dead
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: last in points per possession on those shots. Opponents are
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: shooting fifty four percent against West Virginia on unguarded catch
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and shoots. Okay, hope, you probably say, well, I know
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: enough to know that's pretty good from three. You shoot
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: fifty four percent from three, that's pretty good. But let's
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: put it in some context. The next closest in the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Big Twelve, Colorado's opponents are shooting forty nine percent from
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: three on open, unguarded shots. I'm gonna say it a
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: different way. It's maybe more impactful. Of the sixteen teams
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve, there is only one that has
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: opponents shooting better than fifty percent from three on unguarded
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: catch and shoots.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That one team, West Virginia.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: The Big Twelve average for opponents on unguarded catch and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: shoots is thirty five percent, and West Virginia's opponents are
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: shooting fifty four. Would I say fifty four? Yeah, the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: average is thirty five. West Virginia's are shooting thirty four.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: So the moral of the story and all those numbers
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and saying unguarded one hundred times is there's some regression
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: coming up. Yeah, there's some opponents that are due to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: miss some shots. This Ohio State game would be a
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: nice game for that to start. Oh, you're missing some
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: open shots. This would be a nice game for those
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: numbers to start to come a little bit more in line,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: because that just isn't gonna happen for an entire season.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Those are wild gaps in what has happened versus what
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: should be happening based on how so West Virginia's three
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: point defense looks like it's not very good, and statistically
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: it's not, but maybe there's some underlying reasons for that
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that really surprised me.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Well, the significant numbers to me is West Virginia is
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: twelveth the best in the country and not allowing open
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: three point fewest open threes pergat it's about five, So
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they're guarding. But when in the rare opportunity where they're
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: left open they've been it's statistically way out of bounds
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of what it should be.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So again bottom one hundred and opponent field goal percentage
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: from three listen to these. I'll give you one more
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: set here. There's only four teams that have shot better
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: than thirty four percent from three against West Virginia. Only
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: four of the eleven are better than thirty four percent,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: which isn't very much. Six have shot less than thirty
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: three percent, three have shot less than twenty one percent,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: one shot sixty five percent. So some numbers are kind
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of getting thrown off by a couple of performances that
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: probably don't continue over the course of the season.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Those are those are Those are fascinating numbers, and they
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: give you hope because as you say, there's got to
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: be some regression to the mean that that's not going
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: to be sustained. It's wild, it's not going to be sustained.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, you look at a guy like Duke,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, Duke Harris is a pro and he knocked
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: down shots, right, yeah, yeah, So can you.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Knocked on every shot? Yeah, yeah, every shot?
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: So is Thornton gonna do that or can you as
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you say, does he cool off a little bit? But
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: you're right, that is that is that is a really
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: good deep dive to better understand what's going on there.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: So it's one of those things coaches would tell you,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: we just keep doing what you're doing, just keep playing
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the way we're playing, and that balances out the fact.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: The other number that surprised me out of all of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: those that Big twelve opponents are only thirty five percent
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: on average from three point lane when they're open, when
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: they're open, and West Virginia's are twenty percent better than that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: It tells you that that three point defense is not
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: a made is not a problem, despite what the statistics says.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's That's what I was trying to
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: figure out was because we're watching every single play. I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: watched practice almost every day, and I kept thinking, how
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: can West Virginia be a bottom one hundred team in
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: three point defense? Now, there there is a school of thought.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: There are some people that believe opponent three point percentage
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: against you has a lot to do with opponent and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: luck even more so than your defense, that there's there's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: so much variance in that shot, kind of like turnover
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: luck in football. Can you cause turnovers, sure you can,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: but a lot of turnovers, the way the ball bounces,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: there's a lot variable involved in that. There's a lot
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of basketball people that think the three point shot has
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: something to do with that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: So follow up. Here's an assignment.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: You see coach Hodge all the time, and I'm sure
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: he knows those stats, but follow up with him and
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: see what he says.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: About those numbers. Oh he knows, no, But see what
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: he says about them. Yeah, Oh, he's deep, deep in
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the numbers. Right. That's fascinating. Good work.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about that in pregame the
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: other day with him. Yeah, before we went on here. Okay,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: so that's that. Just thanks for indulging that. I just
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: found that that was an expected offshoot. I didn't mean
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to get all the way down that rabbit hole, but
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I was trying to find an answer to that, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: it was fascinating to me how much that's different than
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the rest of the league.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Right now. Yeah, that's really interesting. That should come back
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: into line here. What about a highest state?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you said the first part of it that I
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: think is the headline story of this. This is kind
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of like Wake was. There's a battle of styles going
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: on here. Ohio State wants to get their shots up
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: quickly and score, get up and down like Wake did.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Ohio State only fourteen percent of their field goal attempts
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: come in the final ten seconds of the shot clock.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: That's right in line with way Wake Force was it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Wake Force was like thirteen percent of its shots. So
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: the critical nature here is whose style can win this game.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: West Virginia's going to want to slow it and take
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: some time off the clock. West Virginia's opponents are taking
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: twenty nine percent of their shots in the final ten
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: seconds of the clock. So that's fourteen percent of Ohio
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: State shots twenty nine percent of West Virginia's opponents, So
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: how close can you get to your your average and
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: make them play away in which they do not want
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: to play. Ohio State comes in top five nationally points
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: per possession in transition, so West Virginia's going to have
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: to get back and guard and be ready for them
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: coming at you in a hurry. We mentioned West Virginia's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: feel goal defense, top five in two point field goal
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: percentage defense. They're getting an Ohio State team that is
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: number three nationally in two point field goal percent So
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you talk about great on great, that's it. Fifty seven
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: percent is what Ohio State shot from two point range
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: against Illinois on Tuesday. So West Virgin's defense here is
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: going to be put to a real test. They're getting
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the number eight team in the country an effective field
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: goal percentage, which counts in your three pointers against a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: West Virginian defense. It's top fifty in that category. So again,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: styles make fights, and this one is offense versus defense.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: In this game, Ohio State gives up an average of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: nine unguarded catch and shoot jumpers per game. Nine opponents
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: are shooting just thirty percent on those shots. So if
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you talk about some regression going the other way? Is
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Ohio State due to leave West Virginia open some and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: West Virginia makes more than thirty percent of its open threes?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: So can Honor and Tray in particular shake loose? West
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Virginia gets an average of unguarded shots per game at
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: eight eight unguarded catch and shoots, and they make thirty
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: four percent of them. So I mentioned Honors not getting
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: many average is about one and a half per game.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Is this one? Can you shake him loose? What does
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Ohio State do from a defensive perspective if they lock
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: him down? Can trace and continue to be hot? I
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: think the story here outside of slowing down Ohio State's
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: offense is going to be West Virginia's offense. And where
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: do you find your points? And that's going to be
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a question we ask a lot. Right, it's easy to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: find him when Honor and Trayer hitting shots. Where else
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: can you find him? Because here's an Ohio State defense
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that is number twenty nine nationally against the three pointer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: So again, does that start to change a little bit here?
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: They'll probably due for some regression. They were eleventh prior
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: to Illinois. Illinois hit a few against them, so they
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: were top fifteen here until recently. They're top seventy nationally
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and opponent free throw attempt rate, so they don't put
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you on the line very often either, so they're not
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: giving up a great three point percentage and they don't
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: put you on the line. They were thirty second nationally
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: in that category until I mentioned Illinois got to the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: line thirty two times against them the other night. Their
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: top fifty in defensive rebound percentage. So teams are not
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: shooting threes, they're not getting to the line, and they're
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: not getting offensive rebounds. You're closing off a lot of
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the offensive angles there. So something's got to give in
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: this game. It's got to be a little bit different.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And then you go to what would be the fourth
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: way to score points off turnovers. These teams are about
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: dead even on the season for the points off turnovers
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: that they generate. Both are in the top twenty percentile nationally,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: so that'll obviously be an important category. If you can
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: turn them over and score off it, then that's a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: double hit hop, right, you're finding a way to get
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: points and you've slowed down their offense a little bit.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: So keep an eye on that particular part of it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: They're shooting the hell out of it from the fall
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: line seventy seven percent. At the foul line, opposing teams
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: are shooting seventy two. West Virginia has struggled at the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: fall line. The other night, you said they went twenty
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: nine to thirty two. Illinois did win the game. They
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: won the game at the foller. Yes, So here you go.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I've been saying that all season long. This is gonna
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: cost you if you don't make your free throws. You're
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: on the clock.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Ohio State's opponents are only shooting sixteen percent from three
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: in the final ten seconds of the shot clock. We
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: know West Virginia likes to take the ball down. West
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Virginia shooting thirty one percent from three in the final
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: ten seconds of the clock, So I do think that's
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: something important to watch. If that number skews closer to
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: a West Virginia average, you'd like to be even better
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: than thirty one percent. West Virginia likes to take that
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: clock down. If it's converting in the last ten seconds
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: of the shot clock, that's probably a good sign for
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the Mountaineers because normal teams don't do that. Against Ohio State.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Can West Virginia change that formula this week? You mentioned
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Bruce Sorton already. He's fantastic. He's he has an offensive rating. Guys,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that's number five nationally. So that's out of two thy,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: three hundred twenty six players that are charted in college basketball.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: He's number five in offensive rating. And that's how good
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: he's been playing or how well he's been playing. He's
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: fourteenth nationally in three point field goal percentage. We say,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: honor and Treyer starting to light it up. This dude's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: lighted up. He's over fifty percent from three, fifty five, Yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: fifty almost fifty six afy round up.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: That was that number was boosted by his performance in
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the first half against Illinois.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: We made everything.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a that's a hell of a
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: season for him. Fifty six from three from a guy
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that shoots it a lot. He's also nearly three to
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: one assist to turnover ratio there. Ohio State is thirty
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: points thirty more points per one hundred possessions when he's
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: on the floor. That difference it's called on off rating.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: His on off rating is in the ninety ninth percentile.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Nationally.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: So if you want individual matchups Thornton against Jasper Floyd,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a good one because you're talking
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: about a guy that's in the top one percent offensively
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: against a guy that's in the one hundredth percentile in
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: defensive win shares in Jasper Floyd. So that's going to
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: be a mono emano battle with Thornton against Jasper Floyd.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: You think that's why they keep him on the floor
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: for thirty five minutes.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: A games, because they're just a totally different team when
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: he's on the floor.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: He need so.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Against US two years ago in Cleveland, he had he
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: had a really solid game eleven points, eight rebounds, four assists,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: three steals, so he did a little bit of everything,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: certainly a couple years younger then, but he fouled out
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: in that game as well. Something else to keep in
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: mind outside of him, the rest of the team shot
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: just thirty four percent against Illinois, and they were right
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: in that game. Again, the rest of the team other
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: than Thornton shot thirty four percent from the floor, So
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is he an important part of that? So Westerrding's ability
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to slow him if possible, No one's really done it
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: well yet, can Jasper and Company? Because it won't just
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: be Jasper on him, but can West Virginia slow him
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: down a little bit?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Good report, he was on it, he was hot, he
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: was hot today. You brought it man. It's very put
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: all your marble bust performance. Yeah. Give me one two
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: other things extra credit.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Keep an eye when they go to the bench. When
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: they bring their guys in, their most used lineup has
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: played significantly more than when the next two subs come in.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: But here's what you watch. Their defensive rating plummets when
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: they go to the bench for the first time. So
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: when I'm asking, can West Virginia find a way to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: score points? That second group of West Virginia that comes in,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: They're going to have to find a way to score points.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Can chance more get to the basket? Whichever shooter is
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: left between Huff and Eagle staff? Can one of them
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: get going? But that will be an opportunity to try
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and make some Hey when that second group, when cups
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and buying them come in for Ohio State, can you
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: take advantage of that and go after it. Keep an
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: eye on the pick and roll. The pick and roll,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: specifically old school pick and roll Thornton is seventh nationally
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: in points per possession off the pick and roll. He
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: scores nearly seventy percent of the time when they run
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: a pick and ro with them. But they're getting a
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: West Virginia defense that is top three nationally in points
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: per possession against the pick and roll. Ball handler Wake
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: and Campbell are the only two teams to get double
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: figures from that set against West Virginia.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'll close with that.
• 45:16
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• 45:18
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• 45:21
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• 48:01
  Speaker 3: weird things fascinate me. You were talking about, Brad about
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  Speaker 3: the pick and roll, which is what integral remains integral
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: to basketball at all levels, right, and in sports usually
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: things change over time. The pick and roll has been
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: around for over one hundred years and people are still
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  Speaker 1: Why because it's a screen and it's always going to work.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look at other sports, you go, we don't
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• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Still around, maybe more popular than ever. You everybody runs
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: those high ball screens.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: You hear ball screen coverage. I mean coaches, coaches screen
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: coaches do not sleep at night of all they ever
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: talked about is high ball screen coverage. And it didn't
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: used to be all high ball screen coverage. The game
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: has changed, and these coaches like they're trying to figure out,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: like they hawk, They talk incessantly among one another, coaches
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  Speaker 1: all over the country. How you guys guarding the high
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: ball screen? I'm serious.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Well, but the reusing every offense initiates with a high
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: ball screen. You come across half court and that screen
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: at the top of the ark, top of the three
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: point line is where the offense starts and someone comes
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: from down low and sprints up and sets a screen.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: So the very first thing your defense faces almost every night,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: it is a high ball screen. Are you gonna hard
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: hedge it, You're gonna double it, You're gonna trap you're
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: gonna force, you're gonna push. So if you don't have
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: an answer to that, you're you're screwed right away in
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the very first five seconds of your possession.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: You know how you cover it? Get great players when
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: they had you, it just looks a little bit different.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So supposedly a guy named Nat Holman was the first
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: to actually write down the high the ball screen, which
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: which they just called the screen, which he had the
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: idea of, like go block that guy, stand in front
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: of that guy. Yeah, so it started out before it
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: was pick and roll with just the ball screen, which
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: they still call it a ball screen.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible. That great. Well, you go back and watch
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: old basketball. Look how much space defensive players gave two
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: offensive players like from me to brad Away, from you
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to brad Away. They just let mean they were out there.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Now everything is pressed up into your hip.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But also before the the you tried to get as
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: close to the basket as you could to shoot the shot. Right,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that game has changed, so now you can't give space
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: on the premier I mean how many times a game
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: does Ross Sake get up at him?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really get up in him? Yeah, you have to
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: and impedes the defense impeds the offensive player and it
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: also hinders their passing ability.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: It was at when we were in Charleston, South Carolina,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: watching those games up close.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: It is it is.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Different even if you're sitting midway of the physicality's jarring
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: physicality and the size, the size, the physicality and the
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: fact that you don't if you're playing a good team, you.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Don't get a lot of room. Man.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: No, I mean every pass, every movement is just somebody
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: is in your grip.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: And grabbing and holding and hitting and forearm shivering and
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: grabbing you on a shot. It is is ungodly physical.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that that applies in every sport. You
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: ever stood down on the sideline during a football game,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's a car accident every single play, and you have
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: no idea when you're sitting up. I think the same
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: thing soccer. You watch college men's soccer, go over there
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and get close to the field and watch those guys.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: The physicality. You just do not pick it up if
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you're watching it on television.
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  Speaker 2: I do think a difference is though football, you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: is a physical sport, they're supposed to be contact. Basketball
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: is really not designed to be as physical as what
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: it is today, but that's not how it was or
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: how it is played for decades. Agree, there is way
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: more grabbing and clutching than there's ever been.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. But in football, while you do know
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that they're tackling each other, you have no true perception
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: of how fast and how hard the contact is. Yes,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you just don't the speed. As the closer you get
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: to the field, the speed increase. It's breathtaking and you watch,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you watch and say, why don't you tackle that guy?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Well, because he was going right impossibly fast.
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  Speaker 1: and eighty one and Brad doing the numbers. My first
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  Speaker 1: observation may not be obvious, but it sure seems to
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  Speaker 1: me that layups are missed more than made. Every time
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  Speaker 1: it happens, Hugs's voice pops into my head, saying something
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  Speaker 1: like two feet from the basket, you'd be able to
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  Speaker 1: be interested in Brad's taken on that close in shots.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for asking.
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  Speaker 2: You have that West Virginia shooting sixty five percent on
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  Speaker 2: shots at the rims. That's a little further out than
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  Speaker 2: two feet. I think this site tracks it maybe at five,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a little b less, but sixty five percent from
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  Speaker 2: that distance.
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  Speaker 1: What's that put him in? Nationally? Do you have a
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  Speaker 1: number on that? Turn your mica on? Thanks for asking.
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  Speaker 2: National average is sixty two percent, and we're what sixty five.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: So we're better than the national average. Yes, no, that's
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: not going to make this guy believe that. On another note,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: about the cluster frog that is college sports, I think
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that we could blame lots of it of the overloaded
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: presence of ESPN and all things. So I'm not rich.
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  Speaker 1: I can't afford fancy overpriced coffee from you guys, but
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  Speaker 1: I have to drink rat piss folders to say that, well,
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  Speaker 1: he wrote it, he said, I have to drink rat
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  Speaker 1: piss folgers. I also can't afford ESPN. Plus, Lucky for me,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Ren hasn't figured out how to monetize a radio stream,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: so I get to listen to Tony and Brad, who
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: paint pictures in my head right up there with Bob
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  Speaker 1: Prince and Jack Flemy. Thank you very much. I'd pay
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  Speaker 1: video up with the audio of Tony and Brad. The
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  Speaker 1: author Corey Doctro has come up with a word to
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  Speaker 1: describe the state of TV streaming, computer software, in phone apps,
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  Speaker 1: customer service, in just about every interaction normal folks have
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  Speaker 1: with big money these days. It is and crapification. Since
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  Speaker 1: you're a family show, you may want to use that word,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it perfectly describes the landscape these days.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: By the way, I don't need to watch. I just
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: listened to you guys. Thank you, happy, thank you. This
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  Speaker 1: is very nice. Appreciate it. Thank you. That's what he says. Bob.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: He signed it off. Bob temporarily living in a high
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  Speaker 1: for almost fifty years. But really I'm from Fairmont. I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: listen to you guys because it's it's descriptive and.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Also highly entertaining, because I know that a couple times
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: during the game there'll be some zingers in there that
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I enjoy hearing.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: We had the over undergoing the other night on whether
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: or not they would ever come to the monitor for
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a review. Those are those guys just want They just
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to go home. They just weren't game. They weren't
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: coming to that replay. Monitors like, let's go, let's get
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: it going. Brock from mid Lothian, Virginia, what's up? Fellers?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Disappointed to hear Jaheem White is in the transfer portal.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I guess he saw what C. J. Donaldson did and
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: decided to follow suit. Would love to hear Brad share
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: some of the stats on contributing players who left West
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Virginia the last three to five years and how they
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: fared in their new schools. Got to be honest, hoping
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: they did not succeed after quitting on the Golden Blue. Also,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be a good thing for the Big twelve
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: to go after Notre Dame. Well, well, that isn't gonna happen.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: That commissioner kind.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Of directly at the let me say two things. Let
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: me see that very often. I was very well, I
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: don't see that very often.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I got two things. Go ahead, you go with your
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: two things. I got two things. Your mark always has
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: some kind of a plan. Bavaqua must have pissed him
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: off royally in the past in different worlds, because he
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: just attacked him. And it's your point, Brad, Commissioners don't
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: do that. I'm not seeing. So he must have had
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a he must have had a little something something for
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the Notre Dame. A d Also, a couple of people
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: come up to me about.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Might be just trying to completely merge with the acc
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: So he wanted to curry some favorite with Jim Phillips.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Jim I'm with you, Jim, I'm with you. Yeah. By
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the way, how about a merger? Yeah, uh, I'm not
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: saying that. Hop No, no, scuttle better behind full disclaimer.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: A gentleman said, I'm disappointed here Jahem White and the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: transfer portal. Guess what he saw with C. J. Donson
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: didn't decided to follow suit. I had a guy I
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: talked to at the coliseum the other day who also
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: asked me about Jehem White leaving, and he was kind
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: of like taken back again, New World. And so prices
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: are being paid based upon where the staff thinks productivity,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: productivity will be, and some of these guys that are
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: leaving are leaving because they're getting less than they were
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: getting or less than they expected. And West Virginia at
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that point says, fine, see you later, because there is
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: a specific budget that they're operating on. So it's not
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: when a player leaves that the players just saying, oh,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving. It's because the number that they're getting is
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: not the number that they want. And these are the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: decisions that are being made. Yeah, Tony, to build on that.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: What is Rich Rodriguez said whenever he's talked about the
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: new class he said, And some difficult decisions have to
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: be made. And you know, I get my friends will
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: text me and say, oh, this guy's leaving, that guy's leaving.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Oh nil, all this all that, and I'm with you.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of these are coaches making decisions
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: about Okay, we got to call this thing, we got
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: a budget, and we got to call the roster.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And after being here for a year, after being here
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: for a year and having the guys here for a year,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: they know if the player that they're dealing with is
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: what they want. Does that player show up on time,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: is he always prompt, is he at meetings? Is he
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: doing the things that he's supposed to be doing. And
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: if the answers to those are no, then if they're fixable,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: like Rich would say, then they might get a lower number.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: If they're not fixable, then they just get the pass
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: see you later.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: The I think you might also say, we will help
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: you achieve what you like to achieve someplace someplace else
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: on the Notre Dame thing. And I may be reading
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: too much into this. Everybody wants to play Notre Dame.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: But if something when given an opportunity, but the same
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: ads and conference commissioners don't like Notre Dame, and I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: think when they get an opportunity like your Mark did
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: to pile on, they do because nobody else likes Noted.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Nobody else that's not Notre Dame likes Notre Dame except
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: if they want to play them.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: You're with me on that, Yeah, but usually you don't
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: see a direct personal attack on the on A leader
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: at the other.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Place called he called it egregiousious, egregious behavior, Yeah, egregious
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Devon and Goshen, Hello, Tony Brad and Ace Ventura. If
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: WV loses the game to Ohio State, how many league
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: games do you think they would have to win to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: make the tournament? Am I crazy to think it'd have
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to be eleven or more? Thanks for the discussion, look
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: forward to hearing your take. I don't know, Devon, We'll
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: have to see.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Heck, you got to ten last year and got absolutely screwed.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Now it's ten out of ten league wins out of
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: twenty games. Normally five hundred in this league gets you in.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: So if you have eighteen games this year, you probably
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: need an extra one because of that Clemson game.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: We'll say, we'll see where it goes. Need this, just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: get Ohio State that nonference O HIGHO State all help.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Did Notre Dame not use its scheduling of ACC teams
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: as the bait to gain entry into the league For
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the other teams, Would they share their college football playoff
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: money if they were picked? No, they don't. What do
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you think the ramifications will be with UTAH venturing into
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: private equity? Also, do the three of you see or
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: have you heard of anything that doubv you may have
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: in the works for the future. I think that specific
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: private equity for WVU. I mean they've they've heard pitches
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: and things like that. Wren has talked about it. More
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: so when the league was approached, the conference was approached
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: as a as an entire entity. There are some thoughts
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: out there that what Utah just did may be illegal
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: involving in a state institutions governing that that they would
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: have to do so. I think at some point in time, yeah,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: something like that will happen. I don't think West Virginia's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: got anything on the immediate side on that. Hello, three guys,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Tyler Mineral County. Great to meet Senator at the hotel
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: in Charleston. I have a question for Tony. I had
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to get up and go to the bathroom Saturday morning,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and I looked out of my room window and I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: could have sworn that I saw Tony standing on the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: balcony in his suit at two thirty am, talking to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: some young kids rolling a ball on the balcony. Did
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I have too much to drink? Or was that you? Anyway?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Love the show? Keep it going? I don't think that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: was you. No. Number one did not bring a I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: guess I had a sport code. I know nine thirty
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: was my cutoff time got to the bedroom and that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: was that nine two thirty. No, must have an nightmares. Yea,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: he did have too much to drink, obviously, gentlemen. While
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: of course I respect the right of the Marriott family
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: and corporate brand to dictate the preferred pronunciation of their name,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: we simply cannot allow them to gaslight us into believing
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that this was always how they wanted it to be pronounced.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: See the link below. Ac from Logan he sent a
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  Speaker 1: video your microphone on. I don't disagree. Look and I've
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  Speaker 1: said a fifth years on earth.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I've never heard it Marryott, but neither I have to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: default to President Benson who's known the family going back generations. Hoppy, Yes,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: and he clearly said it. Marriott clearly said, that's how
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: the family's always said it said. It's been mispronounced for
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: a long time. Family knew it was mispronounced.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy. I'm going marry it from now on. You're going
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: marryo it. And I tell you what they should start.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: A whole campaign has this little creative idea. So how
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: do you get people to learn how to say it? Well,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it's like a marriage, So what are you gonna do?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: You're gonna marry it? So I would do a whole
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: campaign of like little fall weddings, like Mary, what are
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: you gonna do? Marriott? Marriott, just keep banging marryo it? Marriott.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: It'll change it over time. Marriott. You're an idea guy. Yeah. Thanks.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Since Jack Rollins came up on the previous episode, here's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: a mural in the heart of downtown Kaisler Kaiser's Metroplex.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Look at that, Hoppy Yeah. Salute to Walter E. Jack Rowlins,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: who wrote Frosty the Snowman, Smokey the Bear, Cottontail for
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  Speaker 1: money in there. Mm. Peter Cotton till course, one of
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  Speaker 1: a oh, I'm sorry goohead. Hey guys, Travis here wv
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  Speaker 1: alum now living akron A High. I'm originally from Pinch,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. I am and also the little known original
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  Speaker 1: conceiver of the hoppy ipa beer concept. This was the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: guy that said, you guys are sitting on a beer
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: right now, it should be hoppy. Yeah, he's the guy
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: as previously sent in the tweet to the show, still
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: waiting on my royalties. Yes, well so are we. So
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: thanks for the basketball team hopefully starting to mesh and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: play better. Basketball shooting looked much improved against Little Rock.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I like, I feel like those Charleston Civic Center rims
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: are always so loose and difficult for us to get
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: field goals drop. Yeah, that's what it is. It's loose rims.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: But I think turnovers is what killed us against Wake.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Rebounding seems to be a deciding metric in our wins
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: and losses. A highest state as a positive rebound margin,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: that'll be a key. My wife and I will be
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: up in Cleveland this week and sitting right behind them
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  Speaker 1: mountain near bench for the Cleveland Hoops Showdown. We'll try
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  Speaker 1: to say, hello, did you see lead?
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  Speaker 3: The BYU Clemson game had to be stopped for seventeen
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  Speaker 3: minutes because it dunk bent the rim saw that?
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  Speaker 1: How about that? It's also speaking to the Charleston Civic Center.
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  Speaker 1: Randomly browsing randomly browsing the West Virginia Metro News app
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  Speaker 1: the other day on my Apple TV, trying to find
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  Speaker 1: Herbert Hoover football State Turney game a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Great catalog of West Virginia high school games on there,
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  Speaker 1: both live and on demand. I stumbled upon a playlist
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  Speaker 1: for classic games high school home videos and watched a
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  Speaker 1: classic from the year two thousand. The production in broadcast fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I was really impressed. I have to say. The guys
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  Speaker 1: that had hosting the broadcast and calling the game were
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  Speaker 1: so youthful and full of energy. See baby Hoppy, Look
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  Speaker 1: at that hoppy with hair? Oh hell, oh Hoppy? There
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  Speaker 1: once again? Sport code too big? Yeah, well that was
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  Speaker 1: before we met fine looking Phil and then that now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what I tell my wife all the time,
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  Speaker 3: because we've we've been married twenty twenty three years, second
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  Speaker 3: marriage for me, first for her, and uh I say
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  Speaker 3: for her for I'm sorry you missed my good years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know I knew him. Karen didn't miss much.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have a like a baby too? Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: why do I have a rug on my head? Look
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  Speaker 1: at that hair? Dude, hair looks about the same. Oh
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  Speaker 1: that hair is full there, man, thicker than hell. Your
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  Speaker 1: jacket's too big too. Oh yeah, Look it's a double
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  Speaker 1: breast where the.
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  Speaker 2: Style back then, whether we did go through the baggy era,
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  Speaker 2: but now it's much better. Phil takes care of that
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  Speaker 2: just since that, and that's why he walks around with
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  Speaker 2: the tape and the pins.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been threatening to go there now for four months.
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  Speaker 1: I need to go there. I was over there yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I was giddy because he's over across the counter and
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  Speaker 1: he's talking to me. And while he's talking to me,
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  Speaker 1: just like while we're talking, he's putting pins. Oh I
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it, and the sportscut he's just going like that.
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  Speaker 1: We're not even thinking about it. Just yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, by the way, speaking of Christmas, better
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  Speaker 2: hurry there. You gotta go No, well we do, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we gotta get out, but you better get over to
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  Speaker 2: fill's there some great Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: He's just put out. Let's put out some new stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He's got super m new West Virginia vests that are awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that. I know exactly the legend. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a barn jacket. Look to them, feel ye make.
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  Speaker 2: A barn jacket reference horn legend school, Yeah, barn jacket.
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  Speaker 1: I shack it in there too, Wes. What is that?
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  Speaker 1: It's a shack it shirt jacket. It's a shirt worn
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  Speaker 1: on over another shirt. Shack it. Well, that's what that's called. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't Eric and Mineral County with our last surprise.
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  Speaker 1: You does it? I didn't do that last one. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: two guys, Captain obvious? Will all the team opt outs
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  Speaker 1: of bowl games? If a team loses three games during
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  Speaker 1: the reg season? In theory, why not just quit the season?
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  Speaker 1: If the money teams and players only care about the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs when you are theoretically out for the season. What's
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  Speaker 1: the solution my thoughts? Expanded playoff format where bowl games
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  Speaker 1: become part of the expansion. What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to it. Don't expand the playoffs anymore?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, oh you expand They're going to expand whatever
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  Speaker 3: keeps more games. If we're going to have to lose
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  Speaker 3: bowl games on the back end, then keep them. Don't
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  Speaker 3: lose games, you don't expand the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: The calendar's got to get fixed then, because it's hard.
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  Speaker 1: It is hard.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much focus on moving on into the next season.
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  Speaker 2: It is hard to keep your team together for two
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  Speaker 2: and a half three weeks in a bowl game. So
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  Speaker 2: you got to fix the calendar there.
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  Speaker 3: Could you have the bowl games like the next week
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  Speaker 3: or two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have to You're gonna have to start
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  Speaker 2: moving them up and trying to keep them if you
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  Speaker 2: keep them that way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting is the evolution of the bowls.
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  Speaker 1: We ten years ago, if a player opted out of
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  Speaker 1: a Bowl game, it was massive story. People were just
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  Speaker 1: now then you had then you had hundreds hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: guys Sam not playing, and now you're getting teams going like,
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  Speaker 1: guess what, we're not playing either, So you it needs
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  Speaker 1: to be fixed.
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  Speaker 2: Ten teams opted out of Bowl games this year. This
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  Speaker 2: included some five and seven teams that would have had
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity. Five of those were Big twelve programs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: pray five five of the ten.
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  Speaker 1: Because there were two well two five and sevens right,
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  Speaker 1: five and seven said no thank you. You remember Ben Lowman,
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  Speaker 1: who you referred to early on the show. When Ben
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  Speaker 1: was a little baby and like I would mess with him.
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  Speaker 1: I said, hey, Ben, let's go do this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just pretending we're gonna do something. He would always go, no,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, no thank you. That's what these teams are doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're going no thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, before we forget, don't we need to thank somebody
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  Speaker 3: for you showed up the other day. Yeah, we've already forgotten.
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  Speaker 3: He forgot that the Memphis side of beef.
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  Speaker 1: We have to get that next time. Get it next time. No,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do it. Yeah, we're gonna do it
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  Speaker 1: right now. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of thank you, the December fourteenth
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  Speaker 2: is the Christmas cutoff for episode eight hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Dot com.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta have your orders in by this weekend, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: in order to get here in time for Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, two things, two things here before we go away. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The gentleman that brought us this unbelievable my gosh, Nathaniel Mason,
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  Speaker 1: who's the owner of the Foggy Dale Farms in Ellenborough,
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia, which is Richie County, and he brought us,
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  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, five different types of meat cuts that
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  Speaker 1: we're very much looking forward to. So thank you, very
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  Speaker 1: very much. Thank you to Nathaniel Mason. I met him.
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  Speaker 1: Good dude. He has over a thousand head of cattle. Really, yes, yeah,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: big operation, big operation, probably minimal. Right, now here's the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: other Now, here's the other thing. Here's the other thing.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: And the last episode, we were talking about people coming
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: up to us while we're on the air at basketball
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: games and like whether or not we're on the air,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: that give you the bump they try to talk. Brad
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  Speaker 1: literally got kissed while he got kissed while he was
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: on the air in our last game. Lady came up,
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize quote that he was on the air. She
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  Speaker 1: no one knows him for years and I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to say because I don't want to. And she came
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  Speaker 1: over and just gave him a pack. He was on there.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I said, first guy ever been kissed on MSN. Fine,
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  Speaker 1: just kept talking about here's the deal, just keep talking.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: So in the last episode, I said, where is the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: security guard, the security where picture where's Doug the security guard?
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  Speaker 1: So can you bring this picture up here, Jake, there
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  Speaker 1: he is. So there's Doug. Oh yeah, he came after us.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he really, He's like, what are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Like selling out? And so last game, hoppy, it's about
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: eight minutes to go. This is where you come into
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  Speaker 1: play here. Doug's Doug's a good one. Doug's been around
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  Speaker 1: a long time. He's a So I get a I
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  Speaker 1: get a tap while I'm on the air. It's your
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: boy who ed Harper? Hey, Greedy, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Ain't doing here? Harper here? And so he hits he
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  Speaker 1: bangs me, and I like, I like, look over and
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  Speaker 1: get give Harper the wave. Then I look back and
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  Speaker 1: Doug is right. So Doug, So Harper broke through security. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Doug probably should have taken him down on the knees,
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  Speaker 1: don't you think just kind of give rip tackle and
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  Speaker 1: just brought him down secure them.
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  Speaker 2: I think Doug should have been somewhere else, providing security
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  Speaker 2: for areas that needed. This is not primadonna here who
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  Speaker 2: can't be looked at directly in the eye and don't
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  Speaker 2: make contacts location.
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  Speaker 1: I expect Harper saw West Virginia's up by forty. I'm
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: gonna get out of here with the track exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it was. Harper was pulling out going. I can't. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen enough of it.
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  Speaker 2: Let me stress again how great Doug is and wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: I was not the one that attacked in that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hoppy, Doug would like to see you though, if
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: you could make it over there, it's something. Can get
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  Speaker 1: a seat right behind you, all it's unavailable. I get you.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get your seats up there, but not right behind us.
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