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Flying Tic Tacs from Deep Space? · Made of Stars

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Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics, and
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space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been known to learn about astronomical
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phenomenon the scientific method and expand the vocabulary to include terms like quasar, asterism
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and uranus. Listen, that's your own risk. Go ahead. Where made
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of Stars, Made of stars? Made Star? Who Stars? You could
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be from Highllywood, New Mexico, Mars Where Stars Stars, We are made
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of Stars. I'm Wes Carroll, joined by my good friend doctor Sean Kruzen
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from Columbus State Universe Cities, Coca Cola Space Science Center. Hey Sean,
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good morning to West. It's good to talk to you today about some really
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interesting things going on in space news. Well it feels really interesting. It
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is like really really interesting. West. Well, as we will preface,
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as we have been each and every week, we've been talking about our first
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topic today. Um, this is in the news, and it's in every
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news outlet, I'd say most of them at least or addressing this in some
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way because it is in fact news, and it's it's so bizarre that it
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is in the news at this level that we can't help but address it because
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it needs to be addressed, and this has been an ongoing story and it
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feels like we should address it. One because it is in the news.
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Two because we don't really know where this is going. And the very fact
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that it may be going somewhere other than just where it has gone in the
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past means that we should at least be talking about it. Because once upon
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a time, when there was a news story about back then UFOs and there
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was discussion about UFOs, it tended to just sort of take care of itself.
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It would be a story. Maybe you had one guy saying he was
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abducted and he got probed or whatever. Maybe it was crop circles somewhere with
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corn being ruined, and then it just kind of went away, or somebody
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wrote a book and then you know, like they made a movie in dB
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Sweeney was in it or something. I don't know. They would do this
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and then it would just kind of take care of itself and then we all
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get busy moving on with life. In this case, it's not just some
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random guy in the middle of nowhere. It's some reputable people that are discussing
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the possibility of and now it's become so important that we've changed it to UAP.
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Because I know that there's reasons that they've changed it. I can't help
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but feel like to some degree, part of the reason for changing it is
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because we have entered into a different phase of talking about it, and I
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know they just want to get some of that stuff in the past right,
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They want to push some of the old stuff behind us. So here we
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go again, another week of more news as it relates to our government getting
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involved and discussing this. So what's the latest sean on UFO slash now UAPs
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and what aren't they telling us? And what maybe out there or in a
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lab somewhere or whatever's going on. As you pull up pull up a visual
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little green man. I like that you have that there at the desk ready
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to go. So you put in a very good disclaimer. I think I'm
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gonna up the anti on your disclaimer just a little bit, because if people
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are new to our podcast and they have heard maybe like the last three and
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they're going, well, these guys are what are you guys, Coast to
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Coast AM or something which there's nothing wrong Coast to Coast We love it.
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Yes, there is radio you know, legends, but that's not what we
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do. So so if you if you don't know about the past. West
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and I were on the radio together for about thirteen or fourteen years every week
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talking about space news. We're kind of like an aggregator site, right.
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We look at all the space news and then we bring you a set of
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stories that we think you will find interesting or entertaining. Because you've got other
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things to do in your week and you can't keep up with all the space
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stories. So we're trying to point out the most interesting ones. So really
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that's what we do. I'm a college professor, so I try to keep
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it legit science. I don't like to get into pseudoscience nonsense. I just
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don't like to get taken off off off the track that way. But as
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West just said, the point of this podcast is to cover space news,
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and this is unfortunately news with a space bent. I think maybe these I
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mean, these things aren't being seen in space. We don't know if they
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came from space, but they're but they're basically what we used to call UFOs.
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But UFOs have such a stigma with that acronym these days that they've changed
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the name to UAPs, which used to mean unidentified aerial phenomenon, but now
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that these things have started just boring their way right into the ocean apparently and
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quote unquote lying underwater, they now call them Unidentified anomalous phenomenon UAPs. Okay,
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so there's my disclaimer. As we recorded the show, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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Just yesterday, the US House of Representatives Subcommittee on National Security, at
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the Border and Foreign Affairs. Yeah, that's really foreign I would say,
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held a held a hearing in Washington, d C. The title of the
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hearing was Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon colon implications on national Security, public safety, and
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government transparency, all three fairly significant issues. I would say, national security,
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public safety, government transparency, the implications of UAP. He's on those
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things, Ladies and Gentlemen. So it's important to address the wording of this
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this title for this hearing, because the history that we've tried to lay out
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in our disclaimer has related to all of these things. I mean, the
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people in the past that maybe wanted to skip the science and just jump straight
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to the science fiction, or jump straight to the imagination or the fun or
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whatever, or even the paranoia. I don't know. I don't know what
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it was that has made it so appealing, But we've all been that kid
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looking up at the sky, going I wonder what's up there? I wonder
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if there's anything else up there? So knowing that this taps into all of
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those things, and over the years it has been questions about okay, national
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security, all right, public safety, and you know, either from these
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things or from maybe our own government that's hiding it from us because maybe our
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government doesn't want us to know about it, and all those things that have
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been suggested in the past. Can people handle the paranoia and craziness if they
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found out there was something up there? I mean, that's all things of
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science fiction, but it is something that people have wondered in the past.
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And then you go to government transparency, which relates right back to do they
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owe it to us to tell us? Do they not owe it? So
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all of that ties into what's been going on for so long. Now it's
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out there in the open, in front of God and everybody. Yeah,
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and again, the key players are not you know, a couple of guys
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like West and me, you know, in a basement making a podcast.
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No, No, these are actual members of the United States Congress, people
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in the Pentagon's intelligence office, people in the National security organizations of the United
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States. In a hearing in Washington, the people they're interviewing military pilots and
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Pentagon intelligence officers former So it's up the anti from the Project Blue Book days
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back in the nineteen sixties, fifties and sixties. Yes, we've up the
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anti significantly, right. Okay, So yesterday in Washington, three key witnesses
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testified. Two of them, Ryan Graves and David Fraverer, are both United
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States Navy aviators. Folks, if you note anything about the process to become
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an aviator in the United States Navy or in the Air Force, likewise,
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these are the best of the best. It's from this group that the original
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core of astronauts that took us to the Moon were chosen, right, So
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it's those kind of folks. And then also David Grouse Shoo we've talked about
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on the show before. There's a decorated US military combat veteran and former Pentagon
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intelligence officer. All of these specifications I'm reading from an article in space dot
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com because that's wanting one of the many of the I hate to call it
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mainstream, I would call it high level media outlets that are carrying the story.
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So so to summarize, I'm going to refer to NBC News again as
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a well known news outlet. Let's just leave it there. And according to
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NBC news dot Com, here are the most the five most memorable moments from
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yesterday's testimony. Number one, the government is absolutely in possession of UAPs.
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Absolutely in possession. Now remember these are points from the testimony. We have
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yet to have actual measurements or I guess data to back this up, but
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this is what the high level witnesses who are testifying had to say. So
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David Grush told the panel that he's absolutely certain that the federal government is in
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possession of UAPs, you know them better as UFOs, Citing interviews he said
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he conducted with forty witnesses over a four year period, specifically interviewing people in
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the Pentagon intelligence infrastructure to find out whether or not the government was in control
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or in possession of UAPs. And he can say, based on the testimony,
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he is claiming absolutely yes, the government is in possession. That's point
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number one. Point number two maybe the strangest of all wes. I'd love
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to hear your thoughts on this one. Yeah, that quote non human biologics.
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Unte we're found at a crash site, at least one crash site,
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non human biologics, Ladies and gentleman, that's aliens. And if I know
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that people have been watching this testimony go on and they're thinking, well are
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these drones? Does some other country have better technology than us? According to
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David Grush, decorated US military combat veteran and former Pentagon intelligence officer, the
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federal government of the United States is in possession of alien body parts, which
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he termed as non human biologics. Your thoughts West, Okay, So I'll
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be honest, and I think we've talked about this maybe at some point over
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the last fourteen fifteen years whatever we've been doing this radio and podcast. But
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I always just assumed that if something did show up from somewhere else, it
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would not be a biologic. It would be some word of robotic. It
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would be some sort of very intelligent robotic that could travel. Because I always
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figured if we ever sent anything into deep space, the first thing we'd send
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is some sort of you know, artificial intelligence, and it wouldn't necessarily be
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you know, a dog or a monkey or a person. So I just
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the fact that it's so biologic would rule that part out first of all.
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Second of all, I'm going to assume that it's not just some sort of
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you know, single cell organism. It's going to be something more significant than
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that, right. But I guess the part of me that's at least trying
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to be a science brain on this show, which I'm not, but trying
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to look at it from that perspective. I mean, is it possible that
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it's uh, you know, some contaminated craft that came from somewhere else,
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Maybe it had some sort of I mean, I'm trying to look at this
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from the big am I sciencing it properly, you are, and and and
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so. Yeah, all but money kind of left left things open for all
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of that, right. But he definitely seems to be suggesting that they found
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like a hand, yeah exactly, or dead alien bodies or something. Yeah.
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That's yeah, welcome to Earth moment. Right, It's you know,
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it's one of those deals. That's what it seems like he's saying. But
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I'm trying to leave it broad for what if they found, you know,
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a craft from somewhere else that somebody it's you know that you know, Walt
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sneezed in before he sent it from planet Grebdar or whatever. That's That's what
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I'm trying to, you know, at least leave it open to maybe that
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could be what it is. But I mean he's suggesting it's like a finger
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at least, right, Will Smith probably punched it. That goes with us
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saying though, because we've seen him do that before. I mean, if
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Will Smith met an alien slapping, it's a pretty good possibility. Ever,
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it depends on if it's said anything about his wife. But anyway, no,
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okay, joke, we're joking because this is a really uncomfortable subject.
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Let me let me insert the science here, which is I'm still super dubious
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about this until I see evidence analysis of well, non human biologics, right,
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physical analysis of the ectoplasm from space or whatever this is. I'm gonna
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wait and see, right, But I am at least eyebrow piqued by the
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level of folks who are testifying at this hearing and so well, and let's
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not get past this. David Gruc also said in point number two that he
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knows of multiple colleagues who are actually injured by UAPs. He's also interviewed individuals
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who are recovered these non human biologics. And again, this is just one
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guy talking, but this guy's pretty high level. Okay, so let's move
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on to point three, which is point number three, according to NBC news,
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most important moment of the trial. Number point number three, officials must
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establish a safe and transparent reporting process. And yes, I called it a
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trial. I didn't mean that. It's a hearing, not a trial.
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It's a hearing. So point number three of the hearing is that lawmakers said
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the military should establish a comprehensive reporting process. Four unidentified object sightings. And
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that's because well, there is no clear process for reporting these, and so
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often these military products don't know what to do once they've had one of these
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kinds of encounters or should we say, alleged encounters. But one of the
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two Navy, it's Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot, told the panel
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that military pilots do not feel adequately briefed on UAPs, which he said leaves
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them unprepared to respond to a UAP encounter. And part of that is knowing
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how to report the encounter once you get back down to the ground, hence
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the need for a transparent reporting process. Point number four, again I'm going
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from NBC News. This one's also pretty big because again, this is one
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of those deals that, like any sort of and I'm not calling it,
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but in the past it's sort of been viewed. It's one of these conspiracy
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theory things. People there's a cover up and there's all this stuff to it.
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And this next point that they make is ultimately what leads to many conspiracy
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theory ideas to begin with with anything at all, because you have to have
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this in place for there to be some great conspiracy exactly. So point number
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four, there's a stigma associated with sightings that silences possible witnesses. And everyone
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knows that if you want somebody to be quiet, ridiculing them for an opinion
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is a really great way to silence them. We have seen that throughout history.
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That's not just a twenty twenty three type phenomenon. We know that this
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is true all throughout human history. But Ryan Graves, naval pilot, also
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said he told the panel that the stigma silences pilots who fear professional repercussions.
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What she said is compounded by recent government claims questioning the credibility of eyewitness testimony
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within the United States and Navy Ladies and gentlemen. Also mentioned is that the
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Federal Aviation Administration has no mechanisms for pilots to report UAPs either, and those
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pilots are often stigmatized for trying to reports to the point where possibly even their
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pilot's license might be in danger. So therefore there's a lot of underreporting,
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at least according to Ryan Graves, former US Navy fighter pilot, all right
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point number five, Ladies and gentlemen, that some of the actual evidence is
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video evidence. Now, I would say that is actual evidence. These videos
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have been analyzed and do not appear to be faked. The videos were taken
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by the fighter pilots in their military aircraft while pursuing said UAPs. David Fraverer,
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the other Navy commander and fighter pilot, said that he and three fellow
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military pilots spotted a quite quote unquote tic tac shaped object back in two thousand
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and four, and this tic tac shaped object was hovering below their jets just
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above the Pacific Ocean. Now, I'm having trouble imagining this because you have
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Navy jets they don't fly slow, So how is this thing hovering below their
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jets? Well, that must mean that it was already traveling at a ridiculous
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rate of speed. Then David Fraber claimed that the unidentified aircraft, which he
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said bore no visible rotors, wings, or exhaust ports, in other words,
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no physical mechanism to be able to fly at all, at least not
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as we know flight. That this aircraft began to ascend and approach his fighter
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jet, in other words, it's coming up for a closer look. Then
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all of a sudden it simply vanished, to then reappear just a few seconds
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later at sixty miles away. Remember, these aircraft are equipped with highly sophisticated
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radar. You might be saying, well, maybe you just lost sight of
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it. Maybe maybe, No, no, this is this is all captured
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on telemetry and radar from the aircraft, and of course corresponds to the visual
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sightings by these pilots. I'm gonna just go ahead and say it, West,
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that's weird. There's a lot of weird in those five highlight points from
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this hearing. It's all weird, and it's we it's weird with this new
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information, it's weird with tie ins to past stories and things that we've heard
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before. Um and and just to further your point about the significance of these
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pilots and how much they would be how they should be looked at, is
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and you were talking about them sort of being the best of the best of
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these fighter pilots. It's the difference in in the past, you know,
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Randy Quaid's character from Independence Day versus Tom Cruise's Maverick in Top Gun. Right,
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it's the difference between those two, those two guys. Right, So
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when you're talking about you know, and maybe even Randy Quaid's character in Independence
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Day, maybe you go with, you know, the actual Randy Quaid guy
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who kind of went really off the deep end at some point. So maybe
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it's more like that versus Maverick from Top Gun. But this is who they're
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hearing from. I mean, they're hearing from these upper echelon pilots, and
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that they've seen these things, they're trained to see these things, and noticing
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them obviously would certainly freak them out. Well, I mean, we we
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just basically said on previous podcasts that we're starting a new segment. It's it's
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called They Keep saying weird stuff in DC about UAPs. So this is just
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the latest installment, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not trying to tell you there's
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aliens. That's not my gig. That's not what I do. I'm not
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trying to say I have physical evidence verifying that all these things are true.
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I don't. I'm just your humble reporter of space news in this particular podcast.
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That's what I do, and I try to use my knowledge of astrophysics
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to help interpret it for you. My knowledge of astrophysics is useless here,
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so I'm going to just keep that in the bag and say I'm waiting to
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see more data. I have to have data so I can apply standards of
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measurement to these things before I call it science. But it's just darn interesting
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that they keep saying weird stuff in DC about UAPs and there you go.
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And why tic TACs? I mean, it seems like I'm strange mint to
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mimic if they're not shaped like an icebreaker. Man, you're not really shaped
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like the eclipse. Gum, No, it's more like a tik tak.
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I guess it's just you know, I guess it makes more sense. I
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mean that certainly seems more aerodynamic. If you want to get from sixty miles
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away very quickly without being seen, I would think a tiktak would be the
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right shape for it. Right, If you've ever chucked a tik tak and
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a friend, you know I've ever done that. I mean, I'm not
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saying you have. I'm just saying if I don't, don't think they're aerodynamically
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stable. You know, they fly pretty well. Yeah, I would think
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that they would. It certainly seems like it. Let's, uh, we'll
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transition to something else because we have a Falcon Heavy basically waiting to launch.
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It's just sitting there, big old giant Falcon Heavy waiting to go somewhere.
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It is. It's kind of like a tik tak and a straw ready to
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go. Not shaped like a tik tak. Yeah, that's true, Falcon
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Heavy not really shaped like a TikTok. Okay, So they were going to
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launch the Falcon Heavy last night. Now, ladies and gentlemen, we just
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like to say the phrase Falcon heavy because it's cool, But it's really three
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Falcon nine rockets duct tape together like bottle rockets. When you're a kid,
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something like that. It's really three Falcon nine boosters capable of lifting them very
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heavy payloads, and the payload they have is a whopping one. It is
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the Jupiter three communication satellite. This is the largest commercial saddle communication satellite ever
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built, so it's a record breaking payload that is being ready to be launched
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aboard this particular Falcon Heavy. We thought it was going to go last night.
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Actually, some of our former interns here at Space Science Center who now
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work for NASA are sending me pictures and posting them on Facebook. They're all
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hanging around down at the launch pad. They're wanting to see this thing go.
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They were down there for some training and things, but I also think,
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oh wow, our trainings. I think they found out their training is
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gonna coincide with all launch of a Falcon Heavy. So they were acting like,
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you know, tourists and kids, which I appreciate about them. So
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I hope they get to see it. It's supposed to go. Tonight is
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the next launch window. They didn't really release why they stopped the countdown clock
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with only sixty five seconds left. So at this at the recording of this
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podcast, I'm not yet privy to what the mechanical air was that caused them
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to the scrub last night or was it a weather air? I don't really
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know. But they're going to go ahead and launch again tonight, or try
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to launch again tonight. They have a launch window of this evening. It's
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in that same category of about eleven pm Eastern daylight time. So if you
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want to watch that, space dot com great place to go watch the webcast
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of Falcon Heavy lifting off from the Kennedy Space Center. How long can it
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sit there on the launch pad before they have to put it back in the
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ALTOID ten? Sorry, you know, I feel like that's the only minute
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we didn't cover. We got to see the testing of how long can you
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let a rocket sit in the lunch pad with the sls about this time last
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year around Labor Day anyway, So I'm not really sure how long Falcon Heavy
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can sit out there, But but it has to do with not only the
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fueling of the rocket, but also any batteries that are on board for various
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systems either on the rocket or on the satellite. But hopefully they'll get to
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go ahead and just go tonight and they'll get it, get it launched and
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get it to space. Coming up after a quick break. Amazon is working
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towards putting some satellites into space to help with their delivery system, and it
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looks like they might be working miraculously with Blue Origin. Who would have thought.
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We'll talk about that right after this. So Amazon is looking to use
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satellites to help with a number of different things communication, they're a delivery system,
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and they'll be you know, working with Blue Origin. Who like,
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what's the connection there? How did how did Blue Origin secure this deal?
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So I have I have young children touring through the Space Science that are just
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yesterday, and they struck up the conversation with me. I was showing them
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around the exhibit gallery here at Space Science Center, and they struck up the
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conversation with me about commercial space, and the young men's mother kind of cuts
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into the conversation and says he really likes Elon Musk. I said, oh,
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yeah, we all, we all really like Elon Musk. Elon's doing
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some cool things. There's a lot to like there. And then she whispers,
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he doesn't like Jeff Bezo. He doesn't like the shape of that rocket,
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which I find all these things abusing. If you don't know why I
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just go on the Internet and looking up yourself. But anyway, Jeff Bezos
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basically the persona of a Bond villain. You know. I don't know,
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he doesn't mean to come off that way, but for some reason, I
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don't know why, he just comes off that way. A little bit.
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Two folks, And now this story is that his one company called Amazon dot
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Com, which we know delivers books right there. Are they're a bookseller or
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something. Oh no, they've gone far beyond that. They deliver packages all
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over the known universe. I guess they're going to put up a system that's
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similar to Elon Musk and SpaceX's Starlink system, which is a satellite communication and
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internet company. Well, now Jeff Bezos, through Amazon, they're working on
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their own satellite internet and communications company and they're going to be launching uh some
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payloads to put that system in place. Well, they have to, they
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have to actually build and process those satellites. So Amazon just unveiled a one
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twenty million dollars satellite processing facility down on the Florida Space Coast Space Spaceport Florida's
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launch and landing facility at the Kennedy Space Center. So so that's the that's
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the real story. But yeah, as as West said, it's not really
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surprising that Amazon, the bookselling company who ships things to your house, is
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partnering with Blue Origin, the Bezos Space company, to put a lot of
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those payloads into space in the first place. Now, it is fair to
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say that that Amazon is also looking for quotes from United Launch Alliance and Arion
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Space, other builders of big heavy rockets, heavy heavy payload lifting rockets.
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It's not just Blue Origin, however. Blue Origin is in on the deal.
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I really wonder who's gonna win that final bid. I would be very
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surprised, you know, if it's Ula or any anyone else. I'd be
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really surprised if it was SpaceX. Yeah, SpaceX is not mentioned among the
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vendors contending for the Amazon basis. They forgot the Falcon nine and Falcon Heavy
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and all the Falcon rockets over there at SpaceX. So this will be used
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for a few you mentioned communications, but it also will help as far as
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their you know, I guess package delivery systems and all sorts of things.
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Is there any possibility at all, any possibility at all that they will use
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this. They'll have like a warehouse of items up there and they'll launch them
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to Earth and tic TAC shaped ships that will just fly right to your house
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and hover at your front door until you're able to go out and open the
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tic tac. Is there any possibility of that? Personally believe they've been testing
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the tic TAC delivery system for quite some time. I noticed that they,
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well, okay, process of emission. They didn't have Jeff Bezos testifying in
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front of Congress, did that point? No, they didn't, So I
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don't know that it's not Jeff Bezos. And I'm not even sure that Jeff
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Bezos wouldn't fall into the category of non human biologic. So just while we're
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just making Jeff Bezos assertions, let's just say I don't have any Jeff Bezos
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DNA. I don't know where he would fall on the non human biologic spectrum.
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No, nobody really knows at all. Summer is winding down and the
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Cocola Space Science Center is starting to make preparations for the new school year.
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That means lots of kids coming. You mentioned kids touring in there yesterday,
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but when the school year gets going, you got a steady flow of kids
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coming through there all year long, so you guys are starting to make that
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transition. We do. We look forward to inspiring that next generation of scientists,
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engineers, and you know, Blue Origin engineers. I would say we
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already have one of our reformer interns working at Blue Origins. So, Jeff,
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if you're listening, I'm just kidding, you know, I think I've
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killed all of our possible Amazon sponsorships for this podcast. Well, sorry about
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that, but yes, we are preparing for actually teaching school children, not
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about UAPs, but about science and sciencey stuff, you know, like Newton's
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Laws, things like that. They're all coming back in the fall as they
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go back to school. We have a variety of tours and educational activities slated
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for a many many school visitors that come over the course of the years of
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the school year, and so we're excited about that. We will also have
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a brand new set of exhibits in our exhibit gallery and that includes some pretty
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fun stuff for even the youngest children who come and visit us. We have
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our air Maze coming. It's a space coaster. It's gonna be really fun.
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And I'm not gonna tip my hat more than that. I'm just gonna
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say if you're listening to the podcast, make sure you get by and see
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us. Right after Labor Day. We should have that new exhibit up and
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running and come see children exploring the wonders of forces of air, which is
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what makes aircraft fly in the first place. Maybe even tic TACs, so
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who knows. Ladies and gentlemen, check out the website. You can find
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out all the information about the new gallery, exhibits and more. Just visit
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us at www dot cc SSC dot org. Charlie Charlie SamSam Charlie dot org.
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And if we really need any redemption with Jeff Bezos, I'll just point
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out that my phone just let me know to check my front door camera,
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and I've got a package from Amazon out there right now, so I have
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to go pick that up. Thanks for listening, and we'll catch you back
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