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Can you put an effect on that because I really cool I was gonna say she's giving herself
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a theme tune now.
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I mean, this podcast is slowly becoming the Mallory show.
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I am the face.
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I mean, we spend the first 40 minutes of every episode discussing Mallory's Marvel Madness
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and then we throw ourselves into the other 12 topics we selected for the episode in the
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next nine minutes.
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Well, you guys were as crazy as me and thought you should watch 130 things around the same
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time we all decided to do this.
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We could talk about you guys.
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True.
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Very true.
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I also just needed something to like, take the place of discussing my love life.
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That would never happen.
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It was that they should.
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I forgot that the whole purpose of the show.
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That was part of it.
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That was part of it.
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Originally, I hated that suggestion.
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And it's still an option, people.
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If you are interested in Mallory, she's not particularly worried about gender.
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I'm awesome.
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Peace.
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I'm still.
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You are a bastard.
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My thank you very much.
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Now.
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Okay.
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Where are you?
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In the madness.
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Last time we checked in.
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Yeah.
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Where are we in the madness?
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All right.
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Last week, I feel like I did real good when I told you guys how much I watched.
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Which means this week, you've watched two episodes.
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No, I've watched eight episodes of Iron Fist, which is number, Looch, what number is it?
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53.
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53.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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I've not told you guys what I've thought about this.
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I haven't even texted you guys while I've been watching it.
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So based on how I felt about all the other Netflix shows, how do you guys think I'm dealing
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with Iron Fist?
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I mean, you said each one starts off super slow, which is accurate, having done recently
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the rewatch myself.
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But I think I'm going to come out of left field here.
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I'm thinking that you're enjoying Iron Fist.
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Based on that face, maybe not.
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Matt, would you like to give your theory?
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I think you're playing a blinder.
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I do think you're enjoying Iron Fist.
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I think we'll find out that you quite like Danny Rand.
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You like what he's about.
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You like the corporate world that he's exploring, and you like the sort of ancientness that's
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going on in the background.
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I hate how well you both know me.
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I'm really enjoying Iron Fist.
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From the get-go, I didn't feel that the beginning was slow.
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I didn't feel like I had to force myself to watch the first four episodes.
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I found myself wanting to keep watching, because I think it just started off so differently
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than the other three.
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I think that's interesting about that show, and it's something that I realized doing my
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rewatch was two things.
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One, as we've talked about before, everybody shat all over Iron Fist for several reasons,
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but I actually think, having rewatched it now the second time, that the first season
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of Iron Fist, it was actually the fifth Netflix show, Netflix season, because they had already
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gone through two seasons of Daredevil, one of Luke Cage, and one of Jessica Jones.
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This was the fifth Netflix season that they were making, leading up to The Defenders,
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which was the sixth season of that expanded arc, and I think they finally found their
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footing.
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I think they understood the character, actually, and I do think Finn Jones did a good job.
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Colleen Wing is awesome.
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Phenomenal.
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The actress who plays Colleen is great, and I think they do a good job of mixing that
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this kid, who's a billionaire, just comes back from this mystical land and is like,
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I'm just going to walk around barefoot, because that's what I did forever, and just be an
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amazing martial artist.
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Yeah, I don't know, like I said, I gave a lot of crap when it came out.
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I think everybody did.
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I definitely was not alone in that, but I think that Netflix was really finding their
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footing.
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They set them up very nicely for The Defenders season, which is the next one.
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Which makes perfect sense, because all of them, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Daredevil,
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have all been referenced so far in the first eight episodes, and The Punisher, they all
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have been referenced, and you can see how they are very much setting it up for The Defenders.
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I really enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed knowing nothing going into it.
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I didn't know who Iron Thrust was.
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I didn't know how he's going to play out with the hand.
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I knew absolutely nothing.
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That first scene where he just shows up barefoot, dingy looking at Rand, and you're trying to
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figure out what the show is about, and it's setting up the show, but you're still piecing
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everything together.
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I think it takes like 20 minutes for you to realize who he is and why he's there.
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I thought it was really good, and I know you guys said that he was kind of thrown into
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it and so the martial arts gets better during the season.
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I don't know if I've been seeing that.
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I think what I'm seeing, which I'm enjoying, is that his movements just look fluid.
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Everybody else looks like they're going at him.
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They're really trying.
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They're putting all their effort into it.
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He's just like almost like batting away flies.
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It's just fluid.
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It's calm.
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It's like when Matt's kids attack you, and they're just so tiny that you can kind of
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just push them away.
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That's the feeling I'm getting from him.
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Well, that's part of his training in that monastery.
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It's embracing his chi and being like that's the thing that he talks about throughout the
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show and especially even more so in the Defenders and in the season two of Iron Fist and spoiler
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alert also season two Blue Cage is all about balance, and it's about kind of like using
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your opponent's energy, kind of going with it, and kind of like going against them, but
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not expending any of yours when doing so.
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Their fighting style of like I think the closest is obviously Daredevil because they're both
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kind of martial artists, but you can see Daredevil is using his own strength to beat his enemies
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apart.
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Whereas Danny's just like you said, he's just smacking them around like and of course then
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sometimes he busts out the fist and really lights people up, but I don't know.
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It's fun.
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I feel like you'll see even better fighting from Danny in the Defenders if you haven't
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seen it.
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I don't think you've even watched that one, right?
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You haven't watched the Defenders.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think it's coming up.
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Yeah.
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So I think it's the next of the next.
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It's next of that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But the seeing Danny and Daredevil fight together, in my opinion, is one of the like there's
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this, Max, you notice the I'm talking about in the office building.
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That's one of the funnest fight scenes I think I've ever seen was just those two guys just
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like playing off the board.
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It was what we always wanted from it.
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We never wanted a Leap Cage season two or even an Iron Fist season two.
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I think we wanted Heroes for Hire.
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Yeah.
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Heroes for Hire.
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Yeah.
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Which is one Night of the Dragon.
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One Night of the Dragon even.
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Yeah.
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And the Heroes for Hire was the Danny Rand, Leap Cage, just chilling, running a PI protection
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racket out of a random barbershop and just enjoying themselves and just going out there
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and having fun and being cool kids.
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And that was what we'd hoped we would get to.
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Defenders is great.
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All that bigger stuff.
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But I mean, if you'd give me a season of that instead of season two of Leap Cage and or
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Iron Fist, I'd be happy.
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I agree with you.
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As much as I enjoy season two of Leap Cage, I agree.
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I would have preferred to have seen a Heroes for Hire season instead because their relationship
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is also hilarious.
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I have a question for you guys.
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I have not finished the season yet.
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Right now they've captured Madame Gao in China.
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So I'm pretty far, I think I'm eight episodes in.
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Everyone's been kicked out of Rand.
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We find out that Jessica Jones has been Joy Meacham's PI, not by name.
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So obviously the big bad in the season is The Hand.
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We were introduced to The Hand in Daredevil season two.
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And Claire has now met Danny Rand.
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It's so obvious and bring them all together, but she keeps mentioning how her friend has
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come up against The Hand.
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Naturally, if I'm going to go fight this person or this entity that I never have and somebody
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else has already fought them, wouldn't you just be like, hey, did your friend want to
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come to China with us?
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And it's never brought up.
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And obviously we know logically it's because they didn't have the budget for it or that
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wasn't part of their contracts.
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But why keep bringing it up?
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I have a really easy answer for that, but I want to let Max see if we have the same
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answer.
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I mean, my answer for it is they needed to give Iron Fist his own ground to stand on.
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And that sort of comes later.
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Without spoilers, there's more to come.
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I agree, but I would take it a step further.
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And that's part of Danny Rand's arrogance.
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Danny Rand is the immortal Iron Fist.
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He is the enemy of The Hand.
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He is the person that destroys The Hand, and he wants to do that himself.
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I think because that's what he trained for.
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That's when he defeated Shao Lao.
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That's his thing.
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So I think part of that, maybe I'm foreshadowing a little bit, but part of that is his own
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arrogance as Danny Rand slash Iron Fist.
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That's my thoughts on it.
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I mean, that's why he, him and Leakage works so well together because they're the
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polar opposites.
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They're the yin and the yang.
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The whole scenario is they bring the best out of each other and they work well together
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because of that.
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An unlikely team, that makes so much sense.
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Yeah.
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And it's the rich white man and the kid from Harlem.
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It's those sorts of things.
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One who's impenetrable and one who has probably the power to penetrate him in a non-sexual
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way.
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It's a whole different show.
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We just went from fanfiction territory again, you know?
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Well, I mean, that's probably where we're getting most of our likes from, so there's
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nothing wrong with that.
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What I think is interesting is the potential for connections between Shang-Chi and Iron
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Fist.
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You know, between Shao Lao and, what was it, Kun-Lan.
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Yeah, Kun-Lan.
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I feel like they're very similar to the point where at one point I thought it was the same
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place when I saw Shang-Chi.
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And then when I did my rewatch of that, I was like, oh no, it's not.
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They are two distinct, different, mystical places.
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There's the moment where Shang-Chi's mom fights his dad and she sort of uses Chi power at
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that point.
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Yeah, that's right.
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The whole thing is, is she from Iron Fist's village?
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Is she from Kun-Lan?
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Yeah.
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So it becomes this whole thing.
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But it'll be interesting to see if we ever get that crossover.
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Even if it's a five-minute fight scene and then they end up being friends.
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Like, I think that would be cool to see.
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Do you guys, I mean, I'm sure you guys know, and don't tell me because I'll find out, but
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do we find out how Madame Gao knows what Kun-Lan looks like?
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I'm not going to tell you.
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You told me yes or no!
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Yes or no.
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Okay, now I'm going to go back to talking about Claire.
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Okay.
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I mean, I'll always talk about Rosario Dawson, I've got no problem with that whatsoever.
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I flew to-
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No, no, he lost to Ahsoka, so yeah.
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I was flying to London and back on Friday and my companion for that was Ahsoka because
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I'd still not watched Ahsoka.
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I'm now half-
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Really?
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Oh, okay.
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They're a travel-numbing season two, I think.
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Yep.
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So, I thought I'd actually catch up with that and see where we're at.
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And then immediately remembered why I didn't watch it because I watched the first five
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minutes and I was like, oh no, I never finished Rebels, I need to go watch Rebels again.
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I'd immediately jumped in, I was like, oh no, I never finished Rebels.
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But yes, Rosario Dawson, let's go.
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Okay, so I don't know how much we talked about it when we talked about Luke Cage, but her
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and Luke Cage's relationship, and I love it.
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I love them together.
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I like them better than her and Matt Murdock, but what I caught, and I'm assuming other
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people caught it, but I think it's just easier for me because I'm watching everything kind
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of back to back, is when she's going after some of the bad, one of the bad guys who's
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trying to steal, or one of the guys from the hand is trying to take the heroin maker at
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the hospital.
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And she sees the guy backing up and she's running towards him and she goes, sweet Christmas.
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And I'm like, oh, Luke Cage, little cuties.
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They're the moments though, I mean, as comic book fans, we've become cynical about the
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movies and about the TV shows.
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But those are the moments where you go, oh, that's awesome.
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Yeah, it gives you the warm and fuzzies.
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You forget those moments.
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And I mean, I can think back to the first time that happened for me and Leech was sitting
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next to me in the cinema and it was Hawkeye appearing in Thor.
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And it was that moment where you see the arrow, you see the hand come into screen and it goes
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to grab a gun and then it changes to the boat.
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And I was like, no, I mean, at this point, we're talking about where there wasn't this
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intense pressure to find out all of the secrets, you know, there wasn't the Andrew Garfield,
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Tobey Maguire.
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We'd seen them on set there in Atlanta that, you know, there wasn't all of that stuff happening.
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So it was amazing to see.
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And just to know that that's the direction we're going in.
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And that's one of those moments, I think those are the coolest moments in the whole show
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when they have those little nods, little thing, you think, it's cool, it's cool.
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I suppose you have to have enough lore to get away with it.
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Yeah.
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And I think Marvel might have enough lore.
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Maybe.
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Maybe.
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The other thing I thought that was a little silly, now I don't know if you guys are going
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to disagree, it is, okay, so Danny Rand, but I would also see how they set it up for it.
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And so Danny Rand, as the Iron Fist has given up all possessions, things that, you know,
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these attachments, relationships, he says he's celibate.
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And like, not even 24 hours later, he's in bed with Colleen.
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And like, they do set it up that like, obviously, he's not, because he didn't defeat the hand,
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because he decided to save Sabina instead, like it, obviously, they are, they were showing
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that like, he's obviously not keeping with, I guess, all the teachings.
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But I thought it was a real quick turnaround.
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I mean, Colleen wins.
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Speaking of British actors, Finn Jones.
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And I'm pretty sure, isn't she, isn't Colleen also British?
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Is she?
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I think she is either British or like, Australian.
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Because I was looking it up last night, whether or not Finn Jones is straight.
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Because, well, because he plays Loras Tyrell in Game of Thrones.
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I know, he's down to the flowers.
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Yeah, I know.
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She's Japanese American.
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Okay.
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But whatever.
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And the internet wouldn't tell me if he was gay or straight.
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Finn Jones.
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Or both.
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He could be bi.
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Finn, we want to know.
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First of all, we respect and love Iron Fist.
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We'd love to see you come back in AMCU.
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Secondly, Mallory would like to know, are you straight or gay?
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I'm sure this is a play by her.
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She's moved on from Matt Smith.
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So it's, do you want to understand in the spotlight?
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We remember she only does this for British celebrities.
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So it's really all about.
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It's not true.
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I've said multiple times, like he was my soulmate and he's from Staten Island.
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So, which is as far from.
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Uh, you can't get much.
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And yeah, it's an island.
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It's a small island inhabited by weirdos, but they didn't
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like invade the whole world.
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So they don't even like when you come to their islands, they
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church so much to get you there.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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So now not because I wasn't, he's a little cutie, but I was just curious.
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And I get, he's an actor.
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He's allowed to act both ways, but I'm just curious.
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But also when you Google it, according to Google AI, he's married to the
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actor that plays Colleen Wang, which isn't true.
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Is it Wang or wing?
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Wing wing wing.
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So according to Google AI, he's married to Colleen Wang.
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I mean, just Google AI says lots of things that aren't necessarily true.
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I know.
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And then I went down a rabbit hole about that.
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So I was just curious.
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I just want to know the people, the people that want to know, I used to work with a
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colleague and she used to say that during the, um, the rugby world cup and the
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football world cup, she would sit there, uh, next to her husband and comment.
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And then she'd sit and she'd be Googling all the wags, the wives and
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girlfriends of all the players like that.
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Come to work with the African.
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She'd be like, so Jordan Henderson, have you seen his wife?
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What about a performance last night?
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I don't know.
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But, uh, his wife does not like this person's wife.
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I get it.
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Understandable.
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Okay.
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So it was only the episodes this week of, um, you come into that point in the season
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where everything starts to peak and then they give you the false ending and then
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we go for the second indent.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So, um, Henry, is that daddy meet Jim?
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That's been a long time.
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No, but, um, so he's not dead again.
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Uh, the meetings and Danny are out of, uh, the board.
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They're off the board.
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Um, also, uh, because I, again, I went on the little Google, um, spiral
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yesterday, the actor that plays Ward meet Jim, you know, that's
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Kaylee Coco's baby daddy.
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Oh, is it, is it really?
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Yeah, because, because he's also, uh, Faramir in Lord of the Rings.
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No, that's Harold.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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Harold.
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Me too.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Ward.
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Me.
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Jump.
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Oh, Ward.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Cause that'd be weird.
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That'd be weird.
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Um, what else has been going on?
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I don't know.
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I thought I was, they kept Madame Gao in the shadows for a while, but
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I was like, that's Madame Gao.
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Like not surprised.
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Um, I was almost expecting to have Electra be one of the fighters
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that Danny fought during the tournament.
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Yeah.
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Um, a reasonable expectation.
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Yeah.
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Cause of how Daredevil season two ended.
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Yeah.
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A reasonable expectation.
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There's this whole thing where it's the prophecy of the hand and, you
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know, Danny runs to defeat the hand.
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But if you read enough and watch enough Daredevil, we also get
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back from Daredevil an awful lot.
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So it is, you know, we, Daredevils, the prophecy, he's the one to bring
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the hand down or Daredevils to lead the hat, lead the hand or Electra's
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leading the hand or, you know, the hands fighting the fist and the fist.
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And you get all of those sorts of crossovers and
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you have the hand, the fist, the chase.
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You know, all, all of those.
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Yeah.
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I didn't even like put two and two together about the hands and the fist
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until they said, and I was like, Mal, you're stupid.
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Mean.
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For me, I think also when I'm watching things for the first time, I try to be
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in it and not overthinking it.
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Um, which is why, like when people like spoil the ending, when they're like,
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Oh, this is what's going to happen.
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I hate it.
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Cause like, I'm just trying to be in the moment.
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I hate it just because those people's are dicks.
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Yeah.
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Well, even if they don't know, there's like, Oh, this is what
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we know is going to happen.
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But I mean, I'm even coaching Jack and Molly into that, where I'm like, no
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spoilers, no spoilers, no spoilers.
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Don't spoil it.
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Like, and they will say no spoilers.
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No spoilers.
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Can't have spoilers.
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All right.
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So I'm going to be done with this by this weekend, most likely.
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And then Captain America support the good stuff.
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That's the good.
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Yeah.
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The good stuff.
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So, so what are you giving iron fist so far?
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Do you want to wait to, um,
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no, cause I didn't finish shield yet.
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Oh, see, I still have more to watch.
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I, uh, so much Captain America, civil war, then black widow,
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other than the end credit scene.
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And then I finished it.
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It needs a shield.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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Right.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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So we'll, we'll hold off on the rankings until next.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's a good one.
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Civil war is a good film.
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That's not why though.
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It's like a vengeance 2.5.
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Yeah.
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That's why I love it.
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I think we're all kind of realizing we want more team ups.
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We love the team up.
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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I think it depends upon the team though, but yes, I, I agree.
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I do think the team is aware.
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I mean, I want to see more, um, Ms.
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Marvel interaction with the rest of the MCU.
23:40
Yeah.
23:40
You know, like I thought it was so good and everything about it meant I shouldn't
23:48
like it as a middle-aged man with a beard, like she was introduced as one
23:52
of those characters that was diverse and different and new and for young people.
23:57
And I love it.
23:57
I think she's brilliant.
23:58
A lot of break.
24:00
She's purer and she's happy.
24:02
And she's like, she's just pure of heart.
24:05
And I love that about her.
24:06
And I want to see more of the interactions with her.
24:09
Mallory.
24:09
Have you seen day devil?
24:11
You haven't seen born again.
24:14
The one episode, it's not her, but there's an episode that makes reference to her.
24:19
And I think it might be my favorite episode, but it's also just
24:23
wins down the best episode of that season.
24:25
Hands down.
24:27
But what I also want is I want her parents to move into like the
24:32
Avengers facility and just reprimand everybody.
24:38
Just be there.
24:39
Which avengers facility, though?
24:40
Cause you know, we do have the new avengers facility.
24:43
I don't know.
24:43
State of New York.
24:44
All right.
24:44
Well, it has to be the new one.
24:45
Cause they'll blame was destroyed.
24:47
No, but I mean, we've got the Thunderbolt style one and then we've
24:49
got Captain America styles.
24:52
Remember we've got two avengers teams out there right now.
24:54
Right, right, right.
24:55
I did watch the Thunderbolts twice, but one of them has a Z at the end.
25:00
Yeah.
25:04
Brandon.
25:05
It's all about the brand new blockbusters.
25:11
David Harbour is so good in that role.
25:13
He's so good.
25:13
Now, did you see him show up to the premier driving the limo?
25:18
Yeah, he was driving the limo in character.
25:19
He was driving that crap.
25:23
Just, he's great.
25:24
He's so good at everything.
25:26
Yes.
25:27
And, and are we finished with Marvel madness there?
25:30
Yeah.
25:42
On Mallory's Marvel madness.
25:45
Okay.
25:46
So last time we chatted, I was in the middle of number 53, which is season one
25:52
of iron fest.
25:53
That's correct.
25:54
I finished that.
25:57
I've watched Captain America civil war, black widow, not the end credit scene.
26:03
Uh, I finished agents of shields finally.
26:05
And I watched all of the defenders.
26:07
So I'm through 57.
26:10
Yes.
26:12
That was some quality.
26:14
That was some quality TV right there.
26:16
And that was a lot.
26:20
So good though.
26:21
Okay.
26:22
Okay.
26:23
I, I need, I need to know.
26:26
I think we've talked about Captain America civil war as being probably top three,
26:34
definitely top five Marvel product.
26:39
Yep.
26:40
I want to hear your thoughts on the defenders.
26:42
Cause it was the first time you see it is now everybody together.
26:45
And I think that is the most important one that you watched.
26:48
Yeah.
26:49
So I loved the defenders.
26:52
I just need to calm down.
26:54
That's the problem, man.
26:58
I'm all out of calm.
27:04
That was very mistaken, but, and I don't know why it was in my head, but I
27:08
thought that the defenders were Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, daredevil,
27:13
iron fist and the punisher.
27:17
Okay.
27:18
And the punisher was not there.
27:20
The punisher was not there.
27:21
We had this conversation.
27:23
Yeah.
27:24
The punisher is he's a, he occasionally has teamed up with people and groups.
27:31
Like those are sorry.
27:34
Um, you joined on a show.
27:35
Wasn't there.
27:36
Those are, well, those are, I mean, John Berthold is her favorite actor.
27:38
So it does totally make sense.
27:41
Um, but.
27:42
He does, you know, Max talked about it in the, in the, in the
27:47
in civil war, the comic book.
27:50
Correct me if I'm wrong, Max civil war does join team cap briefly for like a
27:56
hot, like a hot second, kill somebody.
27:59
And then he gets kicked out of the team and refuses to fight
28:01
camp because he's like, right.
28:04
Yeah, exactly.
28:05
Um, but how, how did you feel about, oh, how did you feel about the initial.
28:15
Like the meeting of all four of them in the, uh, in Midland circle.
28:20
It made perfect sense.
28:22
And there was so many similarities, I think, with the avengers meet up also.
28:26
Um, like kind of like, I mean, really just like when they all meet
28:29
Thor for the first time and they're all like, here are you.
28:33
Um, and I felt like it had very similar vibes, but I mean, obviously.
28:38
Jessica Jones knew the cage.
28:40
Jessica Jones had met Matt Murdoch.
28:44
Um, Newton was going on with Matt Murdoch, Luke Cage and iron fist
28:48
started off on the wrong foot, but their girlfriends are buddies.
28:53
Um, and they all knew Claire, which by the way, that's what I wanted.
28:57
I want them all to be like, how do you know Claire?
28:59
Why do you know Claire?
29:00
How do you know her?
29:01
Um, and I'm going to be fair.
29:08
Jessica Jones also had sex with Luke Cage, which they do joke about a lot.
29:12
Yeah.
29:12
Um, and I think the other thing that I thought was interesting was in iron
29:18
fist, you, you know, that Danny Rand is young sold just because he
29:25
never really had to grow up.
29:29
Um, like he was a child.
29:30
He never had to be an adult.
29:32
Uh, yes, he was the iron fist, but like, it's different than like, you
29:35
know, having a job and having to pay rent and all of that.
29:39
Um, and you see just how young Danny Rand really is when he's
29:46
with the, uh, other defenders.
29:48
Um, cause he's just, he's just like a strong headed child.
29:53
He doesn't have the life experience that the rest have.
29:55
I'm just watching iron fist.
29:57
We talked about this over the weekend.
29:58
I I'm just watching iron fist and I think I'm up to episode six or seven of it now.
30:03
Um, but that's really evident in it is that Danny Rand is a teenager in iron
30:10
fist's body doesn't have that maturity.
30:12
And it comes from his lack of interaction with the world and they
30:16
sort of show it repeatedly through it.
30:18
But you know, he walks into the boardroom and he's like, I'm going
30:21
to give away the drugs for cost.
30:23
Uh, and then he walks downstairs and says to the woman, I'm so sorry.
30:26
Let me fix it.
30:27
And there's those sorts of naivety.
30:28
And the innocence, there's an innocence about
30:31
it's all like quality.
30:33
Yeah.
30:34
No, it's does so well.
30:38
He's endearing as the character.
30:39
I mean, when you have, when you, when you see those moments of like, that's
30:44
how, like you look at Danny Rand when it touches me talking about like giving
30:48
the way that that drug that can cure this disease for free and you know, that's
30:53
what you want from one of these Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, you know, those type
30:59
of, it's what you'd love to be able to see.
31:01
It's also a very Iron Man-esque.
31:04
Tony Sark, you know, after his, his accident, his, uh, kidnapping
31:09
becomes that, that's who he becomes.
31:12
Who becomes more of the philanthropist and more of the, you know, more of
31:15
the, I'm going to do good in the world.
31:17
You know, first he's going to do the arc reactor for Stark Tower.
31:20
And then, you know, what's the language, what does he say to Captain America?
31:23
Uh, billionaire playboy, uh, genius philanthropist, my bad.
31:29
Yeah.
31:30
It's that gray lane.
31:31
It's that gray lane.
31:32
He's like, who are you?
31:34
Yeah.
31:34
Yeah.
31:35
Take the suit off.
31:35
Who are you?
31:36
A genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
31:39
Yeah, no, I get that.
31:41
And I'm actually, so this is the question I was going to raise.
31:44
Sorry.
31:45
We're jumping ahead.
31:46
Civil war.
31:47
There's let's do civil war first.
31:48
Right.
31:48
That comes before Iron Fist.
31:50
Oh, Iron Fist first.
31:51
Okay, cool.
31:51
So this is Lucha's fault.
31:52
He wanted to jump ahead right to the defenders.
31:54
And I wanted to jump into the defenders because I think we've
31:56
talked about civil war a lot, but I just, because I wanted to get
31:59
the, uh, Mal's thoughts on defenders.
32:02
We both hinted at this and Mallory definitely says in the previous, in
32:06
the previous podcast that she's been enjoying Iron Fist, but did Iron Fist
32:12
get a raw deal when it originally came out?
32:14
Cause I'm watching it back and I think Iron Fist as Mallory's, uh,
32:18
I'm watching it back and I think Iron Fist as Mallory's alluded to as well
32:22
is probably the best pace of the first round, right?
32:28
The introduction shows it's the best paced one.
32:30
Cause it just gets going and it's quick.
32:34
It's good.
32:35
It's not as heavy, maybe as some of the others.
32:38
And we said that might, might help a little bit, but certainly
32:41
I also thought every episode was well done.
32:44
Like I feel like, and I think the other episodes, the other shows
32:48
were slow starts, they were filler episodes.
32:51
And like you talked about it as the problem with this necessity of 13 episodes.
32:57
Um, and I felt like Iron Fist didn't have that Iron Fist just, it got going.
33:02
And I think every episode built the story of the entire
33:06
episode, but it was building.
33:08
It moves things along.
33:09
I think I said it too, that like it was their fifth, it was their fifth, it
33:14
was their fifth season at that point of the Netflix, and I think they
33:17
finally found their rhythm and then they kind of finale it with this eight
33:21
episode, intense defenders arc, um, which was just great.
33:26
Now I wanted to ask about, cause this is something that I noticed, how
33:31
similar the fighting styles are between members of the defenders.
33:35
Did you catch that?
33:36
I think, I think that's down to the crew.
33:38
I think that's down to the cinematographers and the stunt
33:42
teams, cause they were the same thing, but they, they all have the hallway
33:45
fights, the close quarters fights, the lifts, the containers, the bar room.
33:51
It's all the same sort of fighting.
33:54
Yeah.
33:54
You're right.
33:56
I have a question for you guys.
33:57
All right.
33:58
Jessica Jones is strong.
34:01
Luke Cage is impenetrable, but he's also strong or is he strong
34:07
just because nothing hurts him?
34:10
Like, no, he has a few, I could rip off my own ear, but it's
34:13
going to hurt me, so I won't do it.
34:16
I mean, I think that, um, Max, you probably know better from the comics
34:20
than I do, cause I didn't read a lot of Luke Cage, but I put his strength
34:25
probably at like the, uh, not Captain America level or Bucky Barnes level.
34:35
But just below that, probably where, um, what's his face is.
34:40
Um, I mean the fake Captain America from, you know,
34:46
Oh, um, Wyatt Russell.
34:48
Wyatt Russell.
34:48
I put him probably around that, maybe a little bit less than that level.
34:51
Like, you know, he's, he doesn't have a super soldier serum, but he has that.
34:57
He does have a higher strength than your average large man.
35:02
So regenerative healing factor, superhuman strength, stamina, and
35:08
durability, naïve invulnerabilities and skilled hand-to-hand combatant
35:13
is, is how he is described.
35:15
Um, yeah, he's, he's overly
35:18
Then Jessica Jones got the winds of the deal cause she's penetrable.
35:22
Don't make the joke, but, um, but she just, she's strong,
35:27
but she could still get injured.
35:28
But she, I mean, you see a little bit of sort of fly though.
35:32
Well, she can jump really high.
35:34
She can fly, actually.
35:36
Yeah.
35:36
Remember she jumps up in the balconies and stuff.
35:39
Yeah.
35:40
She can probably jump about three or four stories and grab onto a, you know,
35:44
a man's balcony.
35:47
Yeah, she does.
35:49
But you, but in regards to Luke's Luke Cage's strength, you'll see that in either
35:55
the first or second episode of Luke Cage season two, where not, this doesn't really
36:01
give much away about the story about that season, but there's a series where he goes
36:07
and does like a training day with the Harlem Jets, which is like a fake football
36:11
team based in Harlem.
36:13
And you see him like running the, running the 40 yard dash and lifting up giant
36:18
tires and throwing it, you know, like you see a little bit of like, yeah, he's
36:21
definitely, there's no man on earth who could in real life who could do what he
36:27
does.
36:28
As we said, they allude to it at some points with the colors and the things that
36:32
he wears, but he was power, man.
36:34
Yeah.
36:34
It's just like official title was power, man.
36:38
So.
36:38
I was just curious, but I enjoyed, enjoyed the end of Iron Fist, enjoyed all of the
36:42
defenders.
36:44
Um, I was very sad when I went back through my list cause I was like, Oh, when do I
36:48
get defender season two?
36:50
And there is none.
36:54
Yeah.
36:54
And yet, um, this is my official call for defender season two, pretty, pretty
37:00
please.
37:01
You've been calling for it since 2017.
37:04
Yeah, but I like the Iron Fist.
37:05
I mean, Iron Fist season two for me, it was, um, uh, uh, even I enjoyed even more
37:10
than Iron Fist season one.
37:12
Um, and so I'll be excited to watch that again and think, and that was less episodes.
37:17
Yes.
37:18
Yeah.
37:19
Cause by that point, I think I was only an episodes or eight on their way out of
37:23
that point.
37:23
Wasn't it?
37:25
It was the last thing I think that aired other than maybe Jessica Jones season
37:28
three, that may have come after that.
37:30
Yeah.
37:30
I think it was the last thing I think that aired other than maybe Jessica Jones
37:34
come after that, that, uh, it did.
37:37
It did.
37:38
Yeah.
37:38
And Daredevil season three.
37:41
Those both aired after Iron Fist two.
37:43
Okay.
37:43
I didn't realize that.
37:45
Yeah.
37:45
So this is problem.
37:47
I think, and I haven't had this problem before, but I'm sure when you guys watch
37:51
the defenders live, um, and the building comes down and Matt Murdock Daredevil is
38:00
dead.
38:01
Everyone's crying.
38:02
Karen and foggy are in the church and we're all sad.
38:07
Um, I'm sure there was like a moment for you guys.
38:10
Maybe I'm wrong of, is that the end?
38:13
Do we get another season of Daredevil?
38:15
Um, but because I know that there's so much more Daredevil, I didn't have that
38:20
like concern.
38:22
I already announced Daredevil season three.
38:25
They had, I mean, they, they, they had, they had earlier.
38:28
You know, now I, now I, like you were coming from, from the same point of view
38:35
where Daredevil season three was already announced.
38:37
So you're like, okay, I know he's not dead, but my question was how the hell did
38:40
he survive?
38:41
Because now you could see it with Luke cage.
38:45
I could see him surviving that he survives getting blown up at Genghis Connie's.
38:50
Um, but Daredevil he's, you know, yeah, he's special, but he's still a man just
38:57
flesh and blood, just a little bit better.
39:00
Did electric give him the substance?
39:04
Don't tell me I'll find out.
39:05
We'll have to find out.
39:06
I mean, what happens with regard to, so Luke Cage and I in first season two take
39:14
place and they don't know that Daredevil is still alive, right?
39:19
Just sort of, so it explains why he isn't present.
39:22
You know, it goes through that thing where they're like, oh, we don't have to
39:25
call him up because he's dead.
39:27
And they, and they, and they talk about him as like, what would you almost like,
39:31
almost like what would Jesus do?
39:32
It was like, what would Matt Murdoch do?
39:34
You know, we need to work together to defend the city and that kind of thing.
39:37
You know, in fact, probably pushes them together.
39:41
It does.
39:42
Are they in each other's seasons?
39:44
Fills the void.
39:45
I don't think there's crossover.
39:48
If there's some crossover, there's some
39:51
wanted for iron fest.
39:52
I said that to you guys.
39:53
Like I wanted when Danny was going to fight the hand the first time and
39:56
Klai were going, oh my friend, I wanted her to bring in Matt Murdoch.
40:02
I'm not fussed for another Defenders season.
40:06
If they give us heroes for hire.
40:08
So if they give us a season of Luke Cage and Danny Rand, 10 years down the
40:13
line running heroes for hire, the PI investigation thing and fighting bad
40:18
guys on the street, and we drop Matt Murdoch into it, or we drop Jessica Jones
40:22
into it, I'm good.
40:24
No, I would take that too.
40:26
Yeah.
40:26
I would take that too, because their rapport, their relationship is brilliant.
40:30
I mean, yeah.
40:30
And you, you, you definitely get a crossover in Luke Cage season
40:33
two with both of them.
40:36
Um, and, and, and we've got, you know, we were chatting about it the other night.
40:40
Misty, the evolution of
40:44
she lost her arm.
40:48
Stop that.
40:48
What do you think is going to happen next?
40:51
Well, okay.
40:51
Does she get a bucky arm?
40:56
And then maybe, and then her and Colleen become good friends.
41:01
And then they start a PI protection agency as well.
41:06
Isn't it nights of the dragon that they start?
41:08
Yeah.
41:08
Yeah.
41:09
So, so they had, sorry.
41:12
Yeah.
41:12
They had their own wall comics.
41:13
Yeah.
41:14
Oh, we don't see that in the show, but, but I mean, if you were to do heroes
41:18
for hire, you bring them in to the drag.
41:21
Yeah.
41:21
Yeah.
41:22
Um, so there's loads, there's loads of fun to be had in that small sandbox that
41:28
doesn't impact the wider Marvel universe.
41:32
Yeah.
41:32
The question is of course, doomsday, how does doomsday reset everything?
41:38
I mean, yeah.
41:38
Doomsday is the reason, isn't it?
41:39
You know, that's what the rumor is, you know, doomsday is the reset
41:42
or is this secret wars?
41:44
That's the reset.
41:45
The two of them over the arc of the two of them.
41:48
There's a hard reset coming, isn't it?
41:50
Um, so, um, and cause they film it back to back, like at the same time, you don't
41:57
know what's happening with, um, okay.
42:02
Defenders.
42:03
So swing back civil war.
42:05
That's the piece.
42:07
Brilliant.
42:07
So good.
42:08
So good.
42:08
So good.
42:09
Um,
42:13
uh, okay.
42:14
So I have no recollection of watching Ant-Man before I, before civil war.
42:29
But the first time I watched them both, did Ant-Man come up before civil war?
42:33
Yeah.
42:34
Um, well in the timeline, you know, I know in the timeline, but in like
42:39
actuality, were they released?
42:41
I believe Ant-Man did come.
42:44
Ant-Man's post-credit scene was that scene and you knew he was going to appear.
42:48
Well, true, true, true, true, true.
42:49
Okay.
42:50
Yeah.
42:50
We made did come up before civil war.
42:52
Yeah.
42:52
Right.
42:52
Well, so it's just so good.
42:54
I mean, it's nothing to really even talk about it.
42:56
It's just so good.
42:57
I mean, I think it has like one of my favorite lines when Spider-Man, uh, meets
43:03
Captain America for the first time.
43:06
And, and, uh, Cap is impressed with him, asks him where he's from and he says
43:12
Queens and he goes, ah, Brooklyn.
43:14
And then later when Aunt May is helping him with his black guy, he goes, oh,
43:17
a guy from Brooklyn beat me up.
43:19
Um, just so innocent.
43:22
Um, and it is rewatching it.
43:28
Cause obviously I've seen it a million times.
43:30
I saw it when it first came out.
43:32
It really is the perfect way to break up the Avengers because whatever his name
43:41
is, the Sokovian was correct.
43:44
You don't attack from the outside.
43:45
You have to attack from the inside.
43:47
That being said, this all just to show just how immature Tony really is.
43:53
Like I get it.
43:54
I get that it's your appearance.
43:56
A hundred percent.
43:57
I understand that.
43:58
But you also need to understand that it wasn't Bucky's choice.
44:04
He was brainwashed.
44:06
He, they were actively trying to unbrainwash him.
44:09
It was true.
44:10
And I'm not getting into like the whole political, um, whatever it's
44:14
called, the, uh, the, uh, the Stanford experiment.
44:18
Like, that's not what this was.
44:20
He was truly brainwashed, um, with no control over what he was doing.
44:25
That being said, I do think Cap should have told Tony ahead of time.
44:31
And that's what, I mean, that's what ended there.
44:34
Cause again, I don't want to go as far as a friendship because I don't
44:36
think that Tony Stark and Captain America weren't necessarily friends.
44:40
They were maybe just beyond colleagues, you know, they were, there was a mutual
44:44
respect, but I don't think there was a kinship like, uh, like Tony even had.
44:53
Tony said they were friends.
44:55
They're in the, in the ice, then let the ice thing.
44:59
And Cap says, he's my friend.
45:02
And Tony goes, so was I.
45:04
So in Tony's mind, they were friends.
45:06
And Tony, yeah.
45:07
You know, I, I, I do think Cap was in the wrong there.
45:11
A hundred percent, I guess.
45:12
Like, you know, once he figured it out,
45:15
but also when's the right time to say, Hey, just so you know,
45:18
by the way, my old best friends, I'm like, you know, like the thirties and forties.
45:22
Yeah.
45:22
He killed your parents.
45:23
So obviously that was the new screen reading from the comic books.
45:28
So in the comic books, what happens in civil war is, um, one of the runaways,
45:33
I think one of the teams of X-Men gangs goes to a site and a terrorist, uh,
45:39
supervillain blows himself up and kills a load of kids in a school.
45:43
So that happens.
45:45
And then the government's like, well, we need now to have
45:48
superheroes and supervillains.
45:49
Anyone with powers needs to be registered so they can be held to account.
45:53
And Tony is very much.
45:54
Yes.
45:54
That needs to happen.
45:55
And Cap is no, but the catalyst for that is somewhat different.
46:01
Whereas in this catalyst is the Sokovia, it's essentially dropping a city on,
46:08
you know, not by ignoring the fact that they save the vast majority of the
46:12
people in the city.
46:15
I, I thought the Sokovia Accords was stupid.
46:16
I was on Cap's side.
46:18
Um, he had to do something because they didn't have access to the rest of the
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Marvel product.
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I mean, cause the main, one of the main writers of that, of the,
46:30
like of the Avengers initiative or like that, that registration superhero
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registration act was Reed Richards, Mr.
46:36
Fantastic.
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I'm not even saying that I was a stupid dot point.
46:40
I thought like I, if the Sokovia Accords are real, I would agree with Cap.
46:44
They should not be making lists of people with or without.
46:49
Yeah.
46:50
And it becomes that, you know, in the comics, there's this amazing where, um,
46:56
basically Tony brings Peter Parker on site very early on.
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And Peter Parker reveals himself.
47:02
And then that has an impact on his life.
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And he realizes that he went the wrong way with it and he should have gone with
47:08
camp and you get that whole thing.
47:10
And then on the back of all of that is that, uh, Iron Man clones Thor.
47:19
And a big thing in the whole thing is that he clones Thor.
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Cause at this point Thor's off world, nobody knows where he is.
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Thor's not getting involved.
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You know, he's like, this is, this is Midgard.
47:28
It's not me.
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It wasn't yet.
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It's an earth thing.
47:31
Um, so Thor then shows up and is pissed and falls out with Tony because he's like,
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you clone me, that's wrong.
47:40
Everything you've done is right.
47:41
You've created a beast sort of thing.
47:43
And then to top it all, there is an amazing post civil war
47:47
comic, which is Cap's dead.
47:51
And, and it ends, is that fallen?
47:53
Is that fallen son?
47:55
Uh, no, I think it's just
47:58
civil war.
48:00
Like, anyway, the whole book is Tony sitting down next to Cap's corpse and
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apologizing and talking him through why he did what he did and why he now realizes
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he was wrong to do what he had done.
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And it's just brilliant.
48:16
Cause you're just like, it's such a moving book that, that it just captured.
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And we all know Cap comes back after that anyway, because he's
48:24
Captain America and all that sort of stuff.
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But that, that for me is, it was a great moment.
48:29
It was a great moment.
48:30
And, and the strength of the comic book over the film is that the comic book was
48:35
a representation of that is, that's not like a representation of America.
48:42
It's torn, you know, the way it started with the, the explosion and the killing
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school kids in school and their weapons, they need to be controlled.
48:50
You know, we know what conversations being had there.
48:52
And then it was very much the pro and anti of that.
48:55
And it was, it was just very well done, but it was done because Marvel's offices
49:00
were having those conversations in the office, they were divided.
49:04
And so they were like, well, let's put that in somewhere.
49:07
And for me, I was so excited to see him do civil war.
49:10
And I think it's a great movie.
49:12
And I think they did a good job of it, but it still missed a lot of the beats that
49:16
made the comic book so much better.
49:18
Isn't that always the thing?
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The book is never, the movie's never as good as the book.
49:22
Well, you know, but as Luke said, they had more characters to play with.
49:27
Yeah.
49:28
They had more characters to play with.
49:29
That was so good.
49:31
Um, and even, so, uh, Zemo, uh, Helmut Zemo makes an appearance in Marvel's zombies.
49:41
Quite interesting.
49:42
So I haven't finished yet.
49:44
No media season.
49:45
Um, I think I've seen the first three episodes now, but he, he
49:47
made such a significant appearance.
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Um, so it was quite funny to see that.
49:52
And obviously Danny Brill's done the voice and, uh, but he's very much more
49:57
barren Zemo, he's moved on, he's become a supervillain, he grows to be sort of moment.
50:03
But okay.
50:05
Was that, oh, and then you had post credits.
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Um, we hold that.
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Okay.
50:11
So post credits.
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We have, um, Bucky's in Wakanda.
50:15
That's when we first get introduced to Wakanda.
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No, no, but I mean, oh yeah.
50:20
Yeah.
50:20
But I was talking about that post credit that came as the next one on the list.
50:25
No, no, I didn't see the postcard.
50:26
I watched black widow minus the post.
50:28
I got a post credit.
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Yeah.
50:30
So all black widow.
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Yes.
50:31
I'm taking the list now.
50:32
This is why I asked about things out of order because I didn't realize how early
50:38
on black widow takes place in the timeline.
50:41
Cause obviously we know it's not released for until after end game.
50:48
Yeah, it came out, it came out after it came out after end game, but I think
50:52
takes place before iron man two.
50:55
No, no, no.
50:56
It takes place directly after civil war.
50:59
Oh, it's directly after civil war.
51:00
She's on the run for letting them go because she let, uh, you know,
51:06
Black panther has reported her.
51:08
She's now on the run.
51:10
Um, yeah, so it's immediately after civil war.
51:13
Yeah.
51:14
I only think then because, you know, she had her moment in end game and people
51:20
were like, but she never had her own, she never had her own project, but also
51:25
it managed to allow them to introduce other characters, particularly to keep
51:30
the widow character alive, as opposed to Scarlett Johansson's black widow.
51:35
Um, and it was part of some deal that she'd negotiate with Disney as well,
51:40
which it caused loads of controversy as well.
51:43
There was a big stink because it came out during COVID.
51:47
Yeah.
51:47
And it wasn't released in cinema and only released on Disney plus and, you know,
51:51
and, and she was entitled to back in credit.
51:55
Yeah.
51:55
And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
52:00
and, and, and, and she probably did the credits on that, but she never got.
52:03
Because she's, but I will defend that lawsuit all day.
52:09
She did.
52:09
She bought the lawsuit, not just in her own behalf, she brought for all the
52:13
other people working on the movie who were also screwed out of their own money
52:18
because it was on streaming and not released in theaters and everyone's
52:21
like, oh, Scarlett Johansson doesn't need more money.
52:23
She didn't do it for her.
52:24
She did it for that.
52:25
Yeah.
52:25
But Justin Timberlake and Anna Kendrick did the exact same thing for the
52:28
I think it was the second Trolls movie for the exact same reason that, you know
52:32
they worked on that project as did a lot of people with the idea that they
52:36
would be back in cinema credits.
52:38
And we went through what we went through as a global society.
52:42
So there was nothing that could have been done, but Disney, they
52:45
could have held back, I suppose.
52:47
But they needed content as well.
52:49
Yeah.
52:50
And still a good movie.
52:52
Um, I do, I love, love, love, love the relationship between
52:56
her, Yelena and David Harbour.
52:59
Um, like their banter, so good.
53:03
Um, like I think my favorite part is right after they break him out of prison,
53:07
they're in the helicopter and he asks if it's the time of the month or something.
53:12
And Yelena just like starts talking about periods and then go, and he's
53:16
like, oh, I don't want to hear it.
53:17
And she was, oh no, don't worry.
53:19
I don't have it because they ripped it out.
53:20
They went in, they scooped it out, they ripped it out.
53:23
Um, and just like that, like that, I know they weren't real family, but
53:28
that familial, like, you know, the jabs and that comes up a lot, you
53:34
know, it comes up in the Thunderbolts.
53:36
It does.
53:36
You know, we're not really that real family, but we are like, we
53:40
need more Rachel vice though.
53:42
She should, she Thunderbolts.
53:43
She was, she was great.
53:46
I think my, I think one of my favorite lines is the, uh, when Yelena
53:49
is talking about like the vest, oh, look, I bought this vest.
53:51
It's got so many pockets.
53:52
I can do so much things with it.
53:54
You like it.
53:54
It's cool.
53:54
Right?
53:56
Like you're still, still wanting to get her not sister's approval
54:00
on her clothing choice.
54:02
I like that was a nice little,
54:04
well, we've mentioned Rachel, right?
54:06
So, um, mummy for,
54:11
we're all coming back.
54:13
Brilliant.
54:13
I love it.
54:15
I love it.
54:16
Um,
54:17
to Marco people.
54:19
Yeah.
54:20
Cause Rachel vice is marble.
54:21
And then the guy who played her brothers in agents of shield.
54:28
I don't know.
54:29
It's nice.
54:29
I believe you.
54:30
Yeah.
54:32
Um, okay.
54:33
So black widow as an overall, are we going to get a score for black widow?
54:38
Oh, um, I'm going to get black widow.
54:42
Okay.
54:42
I'm good.
54:43
Black widow is six, six.
54:46
I'll just sit, I think it's still a good movie, but I think, okay.
54:49
Cause now remember I'm, I'm not watching them in bubbles.
54:52
I'm watching them, you know, in like, but with the other things coming
54:56
from civil war, which I'm gonna give a nine and then go right into black
55:01
widow, six, um, defectors.
55:06
Okay.
55:06
Iron fist.
55:07
I'm going to give 7.5 defenders and give them an 8.5.
55:12
I'm just looking at age of Ultron.
55:14
You gave a six.
55:15
Uh, agents of shield season two is 6.5.
55:21
Yeah, I think, I mean, it doubled blade score.
55:23
So we'll take that.
55:28
I just, I know it was, it was still a good movie.
55:30
No, I'm gonna give it a 6.5, 6.5.
55:36
Yeah.
55:37
All right.
55:37
Also, the other thing I finished was agents of shield season four.
55:42
He's been three, three.
55:43
Yeah.
55:44
So now we can finally talk about agents of shield the entire season
55:46
three, which we won't go into big detail because we've already spent
55:50
way too much time talking about the defenders, but I'm going
55:53
to give that a five out of 10.
55:56
I think that's respectful summary of season three.
56:01
So it's actually like three different seat things in one season,
56:04
the first half of the season.
56:07
Um, what happens the first half of the season?
56:11
I think Jemma Simmons is stuck on a planet and they have to get her.
56:16
Yes.
56:17
The hydro planet and the hydro planet second half of the season.
56:21
She's back.
56:22
They've also brought the Hydra back with them.
56:26
Who is the person?
56:28
So an agent's a shield.
56:29
We've got space travel already.
56:32
Yeah.
56:32
And interdimensional travel.
56:34
It's actually interdimensional travel.
56:36
Yeah.
56:37
Yeah.
56:38
You can see why maybe Kevin Feige was like, okay, guys, we're going
56:42
in a different direction slash you're taking all of our good content
56:46
way before we're ready to use it with good characters, not
56:49
with characters you've created.
56:52
Yeah.
56:52
That was with that weird rock that turns into like black goo.
56:56
I remember
56:56
yeah.
56:57
The obelisk.
56:58
That's it.
56:58
The obelisk.
56:59
Yeah.
56:59
Yeah.
57:00
Okay.
57:01
Um, and then they bring back the Hydra.
57:04
Um, because even mine is, this is, um, what's his face, right.
57:09
Grant ward.
57:10
Grant ward.
57:10
Yep.
57:11
Do Colson kills with his bare hands.
57:14
Yep.
57:15
Or really his fake hands.
57:16
Cause at this point, Colson has true yet.
57:18
Cause he has the mechanical hand.
57:20
Yeah.
57:20
Yeah.
57:21
Cause Mac had cut it off.
57:22
And then the last, the, what?
57:25
The Luke Skywalker hand.
57:26
Yeah.
57:26
The Luke Skywalker hand.
57:27
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:28
Yeah.
57:29
Yeah.
57:29
Yeah.
57:29
Yeah.
57:29
Yeah.
57:29
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:30
Yeah.
57:31
Yeah.
57:31
The last, the, what?
57:33
The Luke Skywalker hand.
57:35
Yeah.
57:36
Pretty much.
57:36
Yeah.
57:37
Computer.
57:39
Um, and then the last three episodes of the season take place after, um,
57:45
doesn't it take place after civil war?
57:48
Yeah.
57:49
Let me say.
57:50
You're pretty sure it is after civil war.
57:52
Yeah.
57:52
After civil war.
57:53
So, um, like they even talk about the Sokovia Accords and all of that.
57:59
Um, it was fine.
58:00
Like, I don't even remember most of it.
58:04
I think your next season is the one that Max's favorite.
58:08
Next season is, uh, Greg, uh, Clark's favorite.
58:11
Oh, is this the one where Ghost Reidy shows up?
58:14
Yeah.
58:15
Robbie Reyes.
58:16
Yeah.
58:17
Ghost Reidy shows up and they blew their budget on like four episodes.
58:21
And then they were like, oh no, we can't bring him back.
58:23
Well, he comes back for a hot meal at the end of the season.
58:26
I think.
58:26
Yeah.
58:27
But he was meant to be a pre-burso, wasn't it?
58:30
To create a Ghost Reidy show.
58:32
A Robbie Reyes show.
58:34
That was the hope that was coming off the back of it.
58:36
And they were like, we love it, but it was too expensive.
58:42
Okay.
58:42
It was good.
58:43
It was a good week.
58:44
Two weeks, I guess.
58:45
Very good.