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Luke Kuechly to Canton & the 24 Decisions That Will Define the Panthers · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell your darling, and not to it, but to do it, brother, let's roll!
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the deal, Panther fans, tonight's show Luke Keakley to Canton and the 24 decisions that will define the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Earlier this week, Luke Keakley found out he is the rightful owner of a gold jacket.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who geekly like we did fly from sideline to sideline, grab picks out of mid air and just decimate people across the field off physically and mentally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a set where it's a celebration for him for us as Panther fans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're also going to be talking about the Superbow 24 or some kind of look back at that and see if Panthers can learn anything from that are or they just bad buddies and we'll be talking about the free agency picks or the free agent pending free agents that the Carolina Panthers have due to hit the market.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's 24 of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got three categories that we're going to be looking at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and other news, too, in the works, Bryce Young's fifth year option picked up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've got a lot to talk about from intrigue lawsuits, scandal, big payments and legends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd rather, my name's Tony Dunn, it's the C3Pathers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know who I'm rocking with, CK, what's good, my friend?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Man, just another Tuesday night to be talking about Panthers football with the 20, 25 season, officially over.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We can really take a moment to start thinking about what that future looks like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And inevitably, we have to start talking about the past.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, when we talk about Luke, we talk about, I'm Donald getting his Super Bowl ring with Seattle to, you know, obviously Steve Smith having some conversations around him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we also, as you have alluded to, we have a lot of things to talk about that's the part of the title.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We got to talk about what the future's going to look like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: with the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I couldn't, you know, tell you how much I missed being on the full time, you know, at least being here for the entire show last week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it was a nice little vacation to be able to get away and get some golf in and everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So hopefully it sounds like that daddy held down the fort there for that, that episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you guys weren't missing me too much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we missed you a turn, C. K. How can we not miss the man with the golden pipes?
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[SPEAKER_02]: My name's Tony Dunn, that C. K. This is the longest run in Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Later in the show, here's some prompts for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is Luke Keakley, the greatest alignment backer of all time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where would you rank them on?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously, if we're asking that, that moats got to be on the Mount Rushmore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who are your route Mount Rushmore of linebackers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What can the Carolina Panthers learn from this Seattle Seahawks?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how much fun are you making of?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's not fun to make good to make fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's somebody else's tragedy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But how much fun are you making of the Atlanta Falcons right now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: CK will fill us in on James Pierce's story later in the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, CK does Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What number was this again?
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was 60, 10 years since the Panthers 50 Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should remember that as we talked about it last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: New England Patriots in the Seattle Seahawks in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about convergence story lines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for the Panthers in the Sam Donald story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that I was on the trail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like because I'm like not the greatest football expert, just a fan, expert fan, not a football expert.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I put this question out a few weeks ago, kind of nobody really gave much to it, and now I think it's getting more traction now that Sam Donald has won the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a greatest turnaround career story in football.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, a turnaround to career story.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Turn it up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Up to this point, I think the greatest turnaround would have gone to Gino Smith.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, going from basically a Jets career that ended with him getting his face bashed in by a teammate over some money that was owed to him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, all of us like just never really culminated
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[SPEAKER_04]: of substance, have the career he did with Seattle before, you know, his, again, eventual downfall.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, this feels like more staying power.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When it comes to what Sam Donalds capable of doing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But, dude, yeah, I think I'd be hard pressed to find
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know volatile beginning to where it's at now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's still early in his career.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like we were, I can, what is the season eight for him?
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was his eight season the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... three with the jets uh... two with us that's five one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-one-
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[SPEAKER_04]: quite aggressive with that ball which is led him to be pretty high in the interceptions column of the stats this year, but he's also that means he's feeding his plate makers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And when you have a defense that can hold down the fort, it kind of feel like you have to have a guy like that on your team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can only hope as our defense improves the operation become a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: aggressive with his decision making.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But, yeah, Sam Donald, fantastic turnaround.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of people in Carolina wanted to keep him after that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even after his fifth year when he came in, after we traded away, we released Baker Mayfield.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he had a really good last half of the year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think where, I don't, okay, just to me, I like that, you know, Smith turned around a career, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's something that we've witnessed and we've been there for, I don't think it gets, it merits or it exceeds this because one is Sam Dornal just wanted to chip, he wanted to Super Bowl, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is like, from the bottom to the top of the mountain, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing is that Sam Dornal was, I think, I believe he was number one overall pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, a first or second, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think was was he a number one overall?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was the was he third or he might have been second.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was definitely when incredibly high.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was definitely in the top five, but I want to say it was the third.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was third.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that, you know, you got a top tier pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was bust over, you know, was labeled for a bus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: bad time, a typical time in Carolina, Carolina passes from him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a backup quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Goes to Minnesota wins 14 games there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not enough though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Goes to Seattle, 14 games, and hits the top of the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kev, though, my bastard son white chocolate espresso brings up the probably is the real one and this is the shows you I'm like showing our age here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I remember Steve young but I only remember him as a 49er But Steve young was drafted number one overall by the Tampa Bay buck in years and in 1987
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[SPEAKER_02]: good one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They traded young to San Francisco to change for a second fourth round draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He then sat behind Steve Young met Joe Montana, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bucks then use their pick to get Vinnie Test of Verdi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also former panther.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Steve Steve young then went on to win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see how many super bulls did he win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got it right here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Join the team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said, uh, how many did super bulls he win?
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[SPEAKER_02]: San Francisco, no, do you have one or two, either way, Steve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody, but I was on a podcast the other night brought this up was on a Jets podcast that they said Jim Plunkett.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't really know what that is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you're really talking about a guy that went on a Super Bowl as kind of a career turnaround.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there are some other kind of stories in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could think of you could think of a carpwana, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But not really a turnaround moment as much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As in kind of a come out of nowhere and yeah, but come a Hall of Famer moment moment yeah that was his was more of a yeah the the underdog story not it come back moment right I do agree I think Steve young is probably the best yeah it's got a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's, and that's a potential temporary thing to be fair because, you know, same journal has a lot of a lot of things to hang his hat on now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's the first player in NFL history to have back to back 14, you know, winning the 14 games won in the regular season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: if I'm not mistaken, and so I mean, that by itself is already kind of a testament, and that's with two separate teams.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so we'll, you know, it's, it's, I don't know if it's a, it's, it's a tight race, I think.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know this it's, it's, it's going to be, and up, you know, there's still some, some career left for Samdhar and all to be able to say that he's on the same level as Steve
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the number one cab set of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but this is a great turnaround story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, one other name that could kind of dovetail in the conversation, former panther Jake the lobe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jake the lobe kind of journeyman, but that is no yellow thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That wasn't really a comeback story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was just he wasn't good early on though.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't good early on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was it was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was never expected to be good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, the comeback is like, my opinion, it comes from the idea that the expectations are high for a guy, he fell really, you know, fell, fell basically and everybody's opinion of them dropped dramatically, which is in fact what happened for him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then they somehow turned their career around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think this is a good example of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Honorable mention, Alex Smith.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Number one overall pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's allowed in San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was able to come back and make the playoffs in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not good in San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They moved on from, I mean, went to Danny's buddy and made the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He got hurt, and if you guys don't remember, his first few seasons were tough, but he started to play really well there towards the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the only reason that he lost to starting position was because Colin Kaepernick came in and blew the doors off the place.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you know, the Alex Smith had taken them in deep into the playoffs, at least the first year of
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[SPEAKER_04]: during that, uh, Baltimore, uh, 49ers were hardball versus our ball in the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, that was, uh, that was with, uh, with him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wasn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as they moved on from them, they went with Capricorn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he did get hurt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tough start to his career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely not the winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Young is hands down the winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, guys, get back to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, was the score 28, 14.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... it was yes twenty eight fourteen uh... and that twenty nine was off one point twenty nine thirteen
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[SPEAKER_04]: 2930 that was and that's closer than it should have been that should that was a that that even that score by itself made it feel like it wasn't as bad as it was, but that was a bad game for the Patriots there okay let's talk about it your thoughts on the Superbow you got them I think that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's just some, so you used to be in a Panthers team, like the fact that they walked in nine, I think it was nine, nothing at the half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And while they weren't able to do much, I mean, I thought their first drive, they moved the ball a little bit, couldn't do it again, and with it, but then it fizzled out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that it was nine, nothing at half time, CK,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, is like I thought that the Patriots defense was playing very well and that they, while while it was clear that Seattle was the better team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the like of a Panthers, Ron Rivera type Superbowl, John Fox's type game to where there were able to, remember when John Fox said, a point is a good play, yeah, a point was a good play a couple of times for the Patriots trying to flip field position using their defense, and I thought if they would have been able to just get one touchdown earlier in that game,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still think Seattle would have won, I just thought it was, you know, as this had a potential I thought to be like a 45, Seattle did miss that they didn't put any points up in the first half.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, and I want to make this clear, the Patriots defense also is a legit defense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think, you know, I had made comments last week on the show that I felt like this
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[SPEAKER_04]: be heavily in favor of Seattle, in my opinion, was they are the most complete team, and I think we saw that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, even with an offense as explosive as they have been, they still did struggle, but they were able to do what I mean, they were able to do a lot on the ground, and they were able to essentially make things work in their favor because they didn't have to worry about
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[SPEAKER_04]: the Patriots doing anything offensively.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't have to do a lot offensively by not screwing up offensively they did enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does I feel like every year that, you know, we're up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the media is, but I think fans are, I mean, we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure I'm
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's kind of like, you know, you always like, what can we replicate?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it about these teams?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I have thought about this several times in the past and you know, and maybe it's because we're so shell shocked by trying to find that elite quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: even with Cam, you know, it was fleeting in a sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was short-lived.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was an argument that is like, many people say it's not the elite quarterback, but an elite player, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How much feel like is, like, how do you win a win a game?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not a game, but like if we're playing darts, and I just try to go for the bullseye every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I shot really low percentage, but high payoff shots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every now and then you hit one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it really just changed trick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And every now and then you get a Patrick Mahomes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every now and then you get these, even though we use this term so much generational quarterback or generational player, we just throw it around casually all the time,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're foreign free between you know, and I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder is like, is your, are your odds if we were like for setting if we had a Vegas odd set or for us are your odds better and pathway to winning a Superbowl, one Superbowl, not multiple in a row and dynasty and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's to build a really dank ass team and get a quarterback that is good enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a better odds of doing that or do you have better odds of finding a one in a lifetime type quarterback that can always have you there each year?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that it's becoming clear that the quarterback may be the easier answer than everything else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I say that because right now, there are more teams with a franchise quarterback than I feel like we've seen the NFL in the history of the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would almost argue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you think about it, you have your franchise quarterback in Baker Mayfield.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have your franchise quarterback?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the type of
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying a franchise quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm saying is, you know, every year that it seems like half of the teams are like, oh, there's a border of maybe we need a new quarterback right, and I feel like we might have five teams that feel that way at this point in time, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know, it just feels like when you think about elite quarterbacks, I mean, let's, let's, let's, let's say we name them right you have my homes, Josh Allen, you have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, gosh, I've already lost track of where I was going with it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's the face and Cincinnati.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, burrow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could not figure out Lamar Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and how many of those have won a Super Bowl, though, that's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, not many, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: feel like it's just a difficult to find that guy like I feel like you're always just searching so hard and it's just kind of look like how many misses are they're trying to find that guy in the draft or whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all of those seems to me that it would just be so much more efficient to just build a really awesome team maybe in a lead team on defense but really really good team on offense and then just have a quarter back that ultimately doesn't screw
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think number one that last part is an important part of it, but the thing is is that I think we're seeing that good less than great teams are finding success with less than perfect quarterbacks and what I guess I mean by that is when you look at Houston.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They had if someone argued a liability at the quarterback position, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: This year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that defense kept them in their, that entire offense or the entire off-season, they kept them in the games.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, you look at Seattle, it allowed for a quarterback like Sam Garnel to be able to just air it out and not be afraid because he knew his defense had his back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And they were able to take that into the actual Super Bowl, which is a rare thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't really find teams that can go into the Super Bowl with, you know, with the mindset of, you know, we're going to beat you by not letting you beat us, essentially.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's kind of what they did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Seattle Blueprint is a real one that the Panthers have to look at, because right
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bryson is not going to be in the lead quarterback and league right we can we can all safely say that he isn't going to be at my home Josh Allen style style quarterback we're doesn't seem like it yet yeah there's no reason to set that as the bar for success right is just because he was a number one overall pick you could say look is that as long as he's a good quarterback
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[SPEAKER_04]: But you, with the good quarterback, you have to be able to build around them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why I think the focus has to be making sure that this year, in my opinion, has to be heavy on the defense aside.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is, there's, in my, again, I want to say this clearly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I want to make sure it's understandable what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It this has to be, we can't be draft in a wide receiver in the first round type of
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have to really be willing to put some effort into getting this defense built up because
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the path to success when we saw it because the way the Super Bowl worked out, we think about some of the top teams in the NFL this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You talk about the Broncos, one of the best defenses in the league.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Houston Texans of one of the best defenses in the league.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Seattle Seahawks, one of the best defenses in the league.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The New England Patriots, one of the best defenses in the league.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Those are the four best teams in the NFL arguably towards the end of the season.
22:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
22:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, defense, defense, championship, it's been the same forever.
23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it about those defense?
23:03
[SPEAKER_04]: We can neglect it.
23:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the key that I'm, I kind of take away is look is, uh, you got to, you have to be elite on one side of ball, uh, at least.
23:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:14
[SPEAKER_02]: As you got to have a, to be a Super Bowl contender champion.
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's times you can get in there.
23:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I mean, I guess we can talk about the Patriots where they're the best possible with this Super Bowl bit better if it been the bills or the jagged.
23:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that the to be the like really realistically to think that you have a walk in there and having an advantage to win is you have to have one side of the ball has to be a league.
23:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it has to be like top of the top five top of the league.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other side has to be very good right you can't have you have to have balance so like if you think about this is that I would say that Seattle's defense at least in the back end of the season or out the you know is proved to be the elite side and the offense proved to be the very good side and they did put up a lot of points to season.
24:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I was talking about buddy who is like oh Sam Donald didn't have to do anything to win this but like
24:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Jason, he had 1,700 yards, he was often to player the year, they had a wide receiver, they were putting up points, they had an explosive offense.
24:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like they, you know, that they didn't have anything throughout the season, but I think the key that I took away from this, at least from the Seattle defense that I saw is that even when you build a great defense, the way to build a really great defense, like one that's just like so problematic,
24:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to just be able to have four guys up front that on their own can get it done, right, right, is that what I, is that to have two really good guys a fastball picture in like a mouse Garrett or like a Von Miller, you're back to like kind of Von Miller with Denver, do you need like one player that's getting like 15 sex and the other guys just being pretty good, I don't know what the formula is other than if you can try your four guys out there and beat.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: their center, their two guards and the tackles, just like that, that was the problem.
25:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it gives you so much latitude and freedom to mix it up more when you need to, you're not dependent, I just, I just, I would go back to the 2013 Panthers defense to me.
25:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the one that, that it's just like these four guys alone.
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: on their own, stop the run and create problems.
25:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other stuff is like, because Seattle secondary is very good.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, very good.
25:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they had these other players, but I think it allows them.
25:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we want to dovetail this to Luke Keakley, in a second, it's like, how good, Luke Keakley was able to be.
26:00
[SPEAKER_02]: The great player he was when the front four in front of me had star and KK and those guys really doing damage and he could play so free and with his intuition and things like that.
26:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't think the Panthers are actually that far away and from being able to do that.
26:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there are one really good player on the defensive front.
26:29
[SPEAKER_02]: to be in close to being problematic because I think if you bring it, I think Derek Brown a racker, I mean, he showed both in the run game and in disruption and past rush.
26:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got an elite player there.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I think turkwork and suffered with a lot of injuries.
26:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe if you could work him in next year, like we might see Wharton be better.
26:53
[SPEAKER_02]: next year, then he was this year for the care.
26:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see a world where he played consistently.
26:59
[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't dealing with the injuries and all of a sudden you could man.
27:01
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of why we signed this guy.
27:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you bring it and you get one more dude, I think it will allow maybe somebody.
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of these other guys from go to average to good or from good to very good alongside.
27:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
27:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that the pay off there's a feel so off for our defensive front.
27:19
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if Derek Brown is healthy, I mean, like as in turk Wharton becomes a player, and you get Bobby Brown, the third, maybe contributing, and then you go find an edge guy in some capacity, whether you're coming outside lineback or whatever you're calling the line, whatever that you do, that I really think the Panthers that could all have said and elevate the defense are very quickly to being significantly better.
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And they weren't terrible this year either.
27:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they weren't, yeah, it wasn't a bad Bill, again, I was not giving them very much credit through a large portion of the year.
27:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they were better than I anticipated than being.
27:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I still think that that has to be the primary focus on the offseason.
28:03
[SPEAKER_04]: We cannot afford to continue to hope that that good offensive play is going to be the answer because it's not worked for us up to this point.
28:16
[SPEAKER_04]: a good offense doesn't help, but we have other needs that we have to focus on to be able to actually succeed in the lead right now.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Other thoughts on the Super Bowl?
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Any opinion on bad bunny?
28:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to talk about that at all?
28:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I think people are going, they're just looking for something to be mad about at this point in time.
28:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's really not worth our time or effort to even have a conversation about it.
28:56
[SPEAKER_04]: If you didn't want to watch it because you wanted to listen to music that you enjoy, I literally have no problem with that.
29:02
[SPEAKER_04]: What you think about the actual show?
29:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even watch it.
29:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't.
29:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't watch either one of them.
29:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't a political stance.
29:10
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, you know, I've never watched Supervoles for the Supervoles show.
29:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and or the happen to have time show.
29:17
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not, you know, I have no opinion on the matter of what it was like, but I will save this much from the things that I've heard.
29:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, it was a very good show.
29:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It was I thought like a good production like out there was like it was flowing.
29:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of cool things uh Like the fact that I didn't understand the words is just a deficiency on my part for not speaking Spanish.
29:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to point out that Puerto Rico is part of America and I'm with UCK's that I think is this is that if it's that bothersome I think that
29:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't have see how it's so bothersome right is like where it's like so disruptive to your world that it makes you upset I think it's kind of outrage or like we just want to be upset to be upset and then I just try to think about this is like
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... i might not be able to understand the words of my friend was it uh... has was his name reverico i think he said not reverico he said something like if you can say online that you understand the words to the me goes
30:30
[SPEAKER_02]: and there, but there, but there, but there, but that's the problem.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: You like, you wish you could, like, you know, you can't understand that either.
30:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just kind of tried to console myself with the idea of there's probably a hundred million Americans every year that don't know the words of what to go in on.
30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is just what it feels like to be.
30:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Spanish speaking in the United States except for now we're the ones that aren't Spanish speaking is like so I mean like I was like oh gosh I'm like oh man I should be so mad that other people go through this hardship of right you know the funny thing is like I actually know people in life that were like I'm not I'm turning it off I'm not giving them any ratings for that halftime show and all of that and I just
31:22
[SPEAKER_04]: The weirdest thing to have, I'm all for people doing what they feel like they want it, they need to do to enjoy it, I have no problem with that whatsoever, but it's really not worth your sanity to have this focus.
31:46
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, on this, on this particular situation, I don't know, it's just really not a valuable conversation to have.
31:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll be curious to see how many people that are upset about this performance generally watch the Super Bowl period.
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard my dad say something about it like you know watch the super like it was like and he's like I think everybody should turn off and I was like I didn't engage in the conversation, you know because I didn't know I thought this was funny I saw a cool meme is like I didn't know who bad, but I always thought bad buddy and they showed the girl the
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Cash me outside girl.
32:25
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like I was like to me.
32:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought this was bad bunning the whole time Like you know, I didn't know who bad bunning really was So it was like I was like I don't know how to comment on any of this But I was like kind of like dad.
32:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't watch Super Bowl anyway So guess what Hey literally doesn't matter yet exactly.
32:43
[SPEAKER_02]: All right Some people thought it was boring You know No, the Super Bowl
32:53
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was, I thought it was okay.
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess this just shows how much of a Panther fan I am, I'm like, this is football.
33:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna point his play.
33:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
33:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I could use this A and B down 9, nothing at halftime, put the Panthers, yeah, baby.
33:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Do this is, this is exactly what Panthers football has always been, right?
33:13
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like play with, you know, a really strong defense, let's your running game, basically keep the ball game, you know, just flowing the way that it needs to.
33:25
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the Seattle Seahawks, uh,
33:29
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, their blueprint is exactly what you want out of a situation like this, like it was a fantastic.
33:34
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a master class and how to win a Super Bowl and to be in control of it and start to finish.
33:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Luke Keakley is being inducted into the whole thing, right?
33:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want people that you guys can call in about, oh, John B. Jenkins said he just put a call in to, let me see, I might not make fast track that real quick.
34:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But Luke King was being inducted into Hall of Fame and it has been a, well, it's fun.
34:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun to see the Carolina Panthers, a legend, a guy who, when you really look at,
34:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And what a very short career is statistically just a remarkable career, right?
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And a player that what I love about Luke Keakley and not that I like controversial players, my favorite player other than Julius Beber just came new.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have a problem with a player having a personality.
34:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll have a player with, I haven't making mistakes.
34:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't love Luke deeply because he was clean cut, right?
34:46
[SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't why I loved him.
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: When I think is really remarkable about, it maybe is, is that there has been, there's not a single person, player, media, opponent, a hater of the Panthers, that just didn't say
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there wasn't even like even the hate of hate or as never there's like is I don't know if there's been if I've ever experienced a consensus player that everybody recognize their greatness, a big shout out to Mr.
35:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Lightning 20 for the 999 super chat.
35:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for your generosity.
35:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Panthers nation, both current past players had a great NFL awards day.
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Team Mac, uh, rookie of the year, Luke Hall of Fame.
35:44
[SPEAKER_02]: DJ Moore, uh, what's this, mom, uh, mom, what is that moment of the year moment of the year?
35:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, that was the, uh, the home area.
35:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
35:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
35:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And a Christian McCaffrey for just having another sensational season.
36:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
36:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure Mr.
36:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Lightning lives in Greenville.
36:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Stick around for some greenville shoutouts late in the show.
36:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, some fun things to talk about, uh, but a good segue here to, uh, Luke Keakley and just how worthy he has he is of this Hall of Fame induction.
36:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he is, hang of this, he is all pro seven times in eight years.
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Only Barry Sanders and Jim Brown have had a higher percentage of their career as all
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess that means they were all pro every year.
36:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he is one of only two players along side of Terrell sucks to win defensive rookie of the year.
36:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And defensive player of the year in consecutive seasons.
37:02
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a machine tackling machine.
37:05
[SPEAKER_02]: 14 tackles per game in college, and he just carried that into the NFL, leading the league in tackles as a rookie, right?
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Is Luke Keakley a unicorn of statistics in so many ways?
37:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And in such a short career is honored and acknowledged, CK, your thoughts on Luke Keakley, go where you want, where you will with this discussion.
37:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Man, it's an interesting, it's an interesting draft class to say the least.
37:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's a lot of people that, you know, this,
37:46
[SPEAKER_04]: most people are looking at Luke as a great player.
37:50
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do think there is some controversy around him versus Patrick Willis making it into the Hall of Fame.
37:57
[SPEAKER_04]: This is also going to be a question that I'd like to ask.
38:01
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's it's two parts to this question.
38:03
[SPEAKER_04]: The first one is does the fact that he got in
38:09
[SPEAKER_04]: on the with the same class that Bill Bella check was snubbed, going to put a bit of a damper on his Hall of Fame induction, or is it a nothing burger, or are we really not going to ever really think about that in a year or two years or three years down the line?
38:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Certainly it'll be a completely nothing burger in 10 years, but
38:30
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you do worry that maybe there's going to be a part of it that's is he was he going to get in it.
38:35
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, X, Y, or Z had taken place or what have you, but additionally, the other elephant the room is.
38:44
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you think Steve Smith feels after this?
38:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I will say this much.
38:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Luke had a great career.
38:54
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a short career and outside of, you know, single, single season, you know, accomplishments.
39:05
[SPEAKER_04]: He isn't even touching any records.
39:08
[SPEAKER_04]: you know from a career record standpoint, whereas Steve Smith is in the top 10 all-time receiving and there's that's a lot of receivers in the entire history of the NFL that he's out performed with non-elique quarterbacks to throw the ball to him.
39:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I think I think if I'm Luke, I'm certainly a little, or if I'm a Steve Smith, I take this as a little bit of a, um, you know, a little bit of a shot to him because he's now been snubbed from the, sort of the probal with three years in a row now.
39:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Um.
39:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is that look, there is a, I don't know if it's political, it's the right word, but an element to the Hall of Fame, where they can't let, or at least they choose not to let too many players from too many positions, and in the same year, right, and like we're not putting five wide receivers in.
40:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So there is a political component.
40:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the problem with the Hall of Fame,
40:13
[SPEAKER_02]: or at least from my in my and I need to get my buddy CW Sloan up here to really he's a NFL historian and a whole of fame he goes can't every year goes for the whole fame game he really is like the history he wears a shield t-shirt a lot like he just loves the sport of football and the history of it so I'm you know maybe I'll bring him on next week to talk about this a little bit but uh
40:38
[SPEAKER_02]: The, I think is that what I don't like is that you lose your eligibility, right?
40:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a weird, like if you don't get in in this time range, then I guess you're not going to get in or you go to a second tier or you got to come back around or something like that, what the dynamics are, there is a component to that.
41:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So, which I think that sucked.
41:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's like, all right, I can understand if we're not going to let people win, we're trying to like, oh, on our certain kind of diversify the whole fame in each year and not just have like 10 wide receivers coming all at the same time.
41:16
[SPEAKER_02]: But then for you to kind of miss your window when you could have been.
41:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think that in comparison, I think Steve Smith put up very comparable if not just as good or not they're comparable,
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Hall of Fame or last year, Andre Johnson, I think there's an argument there, sure.
41:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But then if I look at who went in at why receiver this year and Larry Fitzgerald, I think Larry Fitzgerald's a clear Hall of Fame.
41:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I'm not upset that Larry Fitzgerald got in.
41:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not like that.
41:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can understand the dynamics, but then if there's if Steve Smith's gonna miss the window of opportunity because of that political aspect or whatever you call it, that kind of is this heart.
42:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they should take away that window or cycle of whatever that may be.
42:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think here is that Luke Keakley,
42:14
[SPEAKER_02]: get it.
42:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just every bit of a player that Steve Smith was.
42:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is I think it looked as I'm a firm believer that Steve Smith should be in the whole thing.
42:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe the stats are there.
42:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the play was there.
42:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the market had something to do with a little bit of what I'm always talking about next.
42:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And also the fact that the Panthers, I mean, look, he got the triple crown on the team that threw them all the least in the whole league.
42:41
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
42:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I think like what he did on the team, he did it also lends to his hall of fame whirthings.
42:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, some people will say this is that while Steve Smith was great is that in any single given season that he played, no one said he was the best receiver in football.
43:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, as Calvin Johnson, it's somebody else, right?
43:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Randy Moss or whatever.
43:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And to me though, I think given on the flip side of that argument is that every single season Luke Keakley played, there were people saying that he was the greatest linebacker in the way.
43:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So some reasons why I think he is not only deserving, but a shoe in, and this is right, is that are we honoring longevity?
43:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I think your career does it need, your career can only
43:39
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think his career was long enough, right?
43:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Is like if this was five years, I mean, five years and he went five all pros, I mean, he still might even get it then.
43:50
[SPEAKER_02]: In 118 games, Luke Keith Lee recorded a thousand 92 jackals, averages to 9.25 tackles per game.
44:00
[SPEAKER_02]: That's more than Earl Lacker at 7.4, Ray Lewis at 8.9.
44:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He holds the record for the most tackles in a single game with 24 tackles.
44:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And despite being a middle linebacker, he had 18 career interceptions in 66 passes defended, which gave him a better per game coverage impact than both Ray Lewis and our lacquer.
44:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the fact that he's seven years all pro eight time pro bowler like to me is like he is the best.
44:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could say maybe some years what is that there's an argument at the same time.
44:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was the guy you always reference him San Francisco Patric Willis right.
44:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So there might have been some moments where somebody said Bobby Wagner is the best at this second or Patrick Willis is.
44:51
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, there was a debate to be had.
44:56
[SPEAKER_02]: about that.
44:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't clear.
44:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Cut is Luke Keakley was the best many years.
45:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And then those years that those guys had great seasons.
45:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He was still in the conversation of being the best.
45:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that Luke Keakley.
45:13
[SPEAKER_02]: What I love this is it's just to me it's sad is because I want Steve Smith in.
45:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I want Cam Newton in.
45:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
45:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I think another admirable part of Luke Keakley's career
45:27
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, again, Cam Newton, Cam sexual here, lover of Cam Newton, I can't imagine how many times that Cam Newton could be said that he wasn't the best player on the team in his life, but I think people could, I mean, like, is I think that people could just still say he was the best player on our team, even with Camus here.
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not, I mean, even in the 2015 season, champs have an MVP season, and Luke Keakley's freaking ball at all the other side.
46:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, there's no debating that like, in my opinion, Luke had one of the most consistent careers at the position that we've seen as a Panthers fan, but in the NFL.
46:17
[SPEAKER_04]: And like you stated, from people inside the NFL, he's certainly one of the most,
46:24
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the most respected from that perspective, when you see the likes of Bill Bellaget, Drew Brie's Greg Olson, you know, even obviously some of the other media within that.
46:37
[SPEAKER_02]: On Rivera, Ron Rivera, former linebacker on 85 bears.
46:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's some things that people said.
46:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like you're talking about Bill Bellaget.
46:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Which we can talk about, I mean, we're not going to get lost in the snub.
46:49
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk maybe a little bit later on in the show again.
46:51
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll revisit the bill bell check.
46:53
[SPEAKER_02]: But, I mean, look, in the conversation for greatest coach, I think he's like a couple of games from the most winning coach ever or the most wins.
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Bill Bellachek said this, he's as good as anyone I've ever coached against.
47:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he said he was second and none in production and he knows where a lot of plays are going even before they get there very quickly after the ball snapped.
47:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this is what I know and I respect about people like or at least I would say former bill bell a check the previous iteration of bill bell a check before he was attending dance competitions or professional cheerleading competitions.
47:35
[SPEAKER_02]: they don't offer praise lightly and when they praise it's worth it so i think that like to have him say that is a recognition and he coach Lawrence Taylor you know uh... i i i take that very seriously drew breeze also inducted into all the famous year
47:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He's one of the smartest football players I think ever to play the game.
48:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like two chess masters facing each other.
48:04
[SPEAKER_02]: If you get him with something once, you're not going to get him again.
48:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's filing that away and I saw this move in 1987 in a New York City park where I played a former Russian chess champion.
48:22
[SPEAKER_02]: and they open the game with this move, or I've seen this trick.
48:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You got me what's for me once, never again.
48:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Another love of our life, Greg Olson.
48:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this one.
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: He was an absolute sociopathic serial killer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The most cerebral player on the field he had in advantage before every ball was snapped.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you guys call in and you tell me is Luke Keakley the greatest linebacker in NFL history is there what are the arguments for and against it might not be clear cut, but can you make an argument that Luke Keakley is the greatest certainly you can among.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The greatest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what John B. Jenkins has to say about the Super Bowl bad bunny or just people be a mad to be Man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what do you thoughts on cat calling?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's pretty shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Somebody and how did that make you feel very Incomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys, it's time for you to begin with and I'm just listening and having a call and comment about the bad bunny thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Really just the funny thing I heard about it was a comedian that was talking about how you know on one shoulder you had like the devil on your left shoulder which was the bad bunny half time show and then on the right shoulder you had the angel which was the kid rock half time show.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and then he was like, look at both of them going, you both suck.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then he was like, you know, you got all these people upset that this guy over here is screaming or, you know, he's like seeing it all in Spanish meanwhile, they're over here screaming bow at a bow, a bang a bang, dig a diggy, and that ain't even English.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, it's like he does these things.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Tony, I think it's a big nothing burger.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I watched it for the pure curiosity of it,
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[SPEAKER_05]: as a former theater student, and once a test being always a test being as I say, the production of the set and everything, what's pretty good, but I will say after looking up the lyrics, I mean, yeah, they were wrong, but like, you know, what hasn't been wrong.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What music isn't wrong, you know?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, but really, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think really the Super Bowl was very exciting, and I think for the first time in years, I wasn't really excited to even watch the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did watch the Super Bowl, of course, and it was, you know, I was like, who's going to win the former Charlotte High School quarterback or the former Charlotte Troco quarterback?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And to be honest, I would have been happy with, you know, the Patriot and Drake lay winning because, you know, former Charlotte High School quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really happy to see the story arc of Sam Darrell go from bus to Super Bowl when quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And T.K.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's easy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Only one that's ever won 14 games back to back.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With two different teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is the case.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, with the marble land.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He always seemed pretty cool when he was here and he will always have a special place in my heart for.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh God, bless us hard, he was trying, but trying to draw that Panther logo that looks like it goes through.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, that's all I got for right now, guys.
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[SPEAKER_05]: John B. Jenkins Bell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did think this set and that and that stuff was really cool Like I mean, and I don't know enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish you know what I did think about CK is when that was going on as I wish Joe was here Joe Rielano It was Puerto Rican
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[SPEAKER_02]: And who did, who would have, while he had lived in the United States and kind of been just at away from Spanish enough, Spanish speaking, you know, I mean, like as a kid more fluent, I'm sure it's a pated in his older age a little bit, right, is, uh, you know, just by how much you engage, but he would have understood the things that were going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would have loved to hear him what he thought about like the omg is the Puerto Rico, I mean, there's some days like in the fact that it was in sugar cane, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did I black out or because when my monitors are black and out occasionally did I did you lose me or am I still gone?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I will just take these power surges as I go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it would, you know, I would have I thought about Joe Rielano.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I did and that was that was hard into me and I still think I think that was Ricky Martin in the show too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was Ricky Martin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, uh, bad bunny, uh, you know, uh, let's say, you know what, we're going to, we just got another call in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's see what we got.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this has got to do with Luke Keakley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luke Keakley, the greatest, a lineback of all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about it on the C3 Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to Joshua.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Luke Keakley.
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[SPEAKER_08]: is a top three line-backer of all time.
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[SPEAKER_08]: We'll be pleased to serve this spot in the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Arguably, first ballot, but we can take what we get.
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[SPEAKER_08]: It's not about longevity.
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[SPEAKER_08]: It's about his consistent productivity over all the years of career with seven to eight years.
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[SPEAKER_08]: He played at an all-pro level.
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[SPEAKER_08]: He spent the rest of the year and his rookie year.
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[SPEAKER_08]: He spent the player of the year, his sophomore year.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Records, tackles.
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[SPEAKER_08]: He, one of the greatest linebackers of all time,
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[SPEAKER_08]: mouth, rush more for linebackers, but Lawrence Taylor, Ray Lewis, Dick Buckess, if there's any other name that can go in there, it's got to be ludicry.
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[SPEAKER_08]: He deserves that spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's look kickly, the greatest linebacker of all time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly among the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: four, Luke Keakley, being the greatest linebacker of all time, you point to peak performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is that while Ray Lewis played nearly double the seasons, Luke Keakley was defined by the high frequency of always being an elite player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Ray Lewis was always a great player in my mind, but I'm sure there were years towards the MITR else Sugs or whoever is like, you know, Ed Reed becomes a greatest player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, he was the best defense of player on the team, Luke Keakley, every single season play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if anything you saw, the crazy thing is, is I mentioned, when we were in live, Joe's in the moments, is I was like, I feel like Luke Keakley's declining in those last two years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And his decline was still among the best in the league.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, like that wasn't a decline, but again,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luke Katelyn, the argument for Luke Katelyn being the greatest lineback of all time comes back to first his all pro efficiency seven times in his eight year career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 87.5 per career is the one reach out for co icons like Barry Sanders and Jim Brown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the all proficiency, all pro-efficiency, the accolades, historical words.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's only one of two players in Africa history, alongside of Tyrell Sugs, to win the year in 2012, and defensive player the year in 2013 and consecutive years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The youngest defensive player of the year, he remains the youngest player to ever win AP NFL defensive player of the year award.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was what I was thinking of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, came when we were talking before the show on top of that, part two of the argument for him being the greatest linebacker of all time is statistical superiority, per game impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When compared to first battle, Hall of Famers like Ray Lewis and Brian Urlack or Keeke Lee's productivity on a per game basis, is statistically superior.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 118 games, he recorded 100, 190, two total tackles that averages roughly 9.25 tackles per game compared to Urlack or 7.4, Lewis's 8.9.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The single game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had 24 tackles in a single game against the New Orleans Saints in 2013.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Think about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's his defensive player the year season and for being a middle linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was incredibly effective in coverage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another thing that people point to is of Luke Keakley being the greatest, the goat, the most common argument maybe is that Keakley's mental supremacy, his processing speed, wins, transformed him from an athlete to a filled general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things that I
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[SPEAKER_02]: love about this is just his look is he's been compared to like the painted painting manning of defenses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where in some sets and audibles often shouting at the exact play that the offense was about to run before the snap and like Bill Bella check compliment he knows what's going on before the snap and if he does it he knows it shortly after the snap
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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't just win with athleticism and raw power alone, but he won with anticipation angles that mental student of the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it really leading the 2013 Panthers to defense that jumped from 32 the peer before into top tier status in 2012 as a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I don't love about that discussion, C.K.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is he was a damn good athlete too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I mean, it was like his intellect and let him capitalize on his athleticism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just what set him apart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I do like, I'm not saying I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is I just don't want to take away from his aback all around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: throw to sideline of sidelines speed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess it's a little processing allowed him to play faster than everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it was that was he was the quarterback of the defense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, where we have we've seen people,
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think he was ever like, you know, we were ever accused officially of cheating, but you could almost get this feeling that other teams felt like we were somehow had an advantage that was unfair because it was like we always knew what the other team was running.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that doesn't happen by accident, and he'll even talk about it, there's some interviews he did, which were really good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I believe one he did with Jonathan Stewart, he was talking about his rookie season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He had his, welcome to the NFL moment pretty early on because he was like making,
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[SPEAKER_04]: bad mistakes right from ones that made Thomas Davis to like he was making mistakes when it was all Luke's fault because he should have taken a different angle and Thomas played it exactly the way that he should have You know and he he talks about how You know he learned that the best advantage that you could have Going into a game is is knowledge you know you can be the most athletic person on the field
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if you don't have that knowledge of what that game is, he studied film like nobody and I think that that is, I do agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that is a Hall of Fame worthy talent because it's not something that has been able to be replicated consistently.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that we do have the occasional, you know, one game experience with a certain, you know, with a linebacker on another team or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think anybody's hand they can assist and see that Luke has had, you know, through his career, you know, just from the high level play that he had.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And even when his athleticism wasn't winning the game, it was, his mind was still working really well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think he was on a downward trajectory just as he was deciding to take the retirement path.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, I think probably the concussion stuff and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's no doubt to me he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do think that the only issue I have of them being in the Hall of Fame is that I do think that I personally believe Steve Smith should have been the first panther outside of Pepper to make it into the Hall of Fame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luke Keakley also broke the PFF system, just to let you know, all time PFF grade Luke Keakley holds a 94, which is second all time among all linebackers, behind only Patrick Willis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a 90 plus PFF score in all seasons, grade nine your higher, the most of the position
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... and in twenty fifteen he broke the pff's metric c.k.
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[SPEAKER_02]: lukicly broke pff's system when his raw grade was a hundred and four point nine on a scale from zero to one which they then had to adjust i guess uh... his dominance right there so if you want to if you want to talk about why lukicly is a hall of famer
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here are the reasons, or here are some of the reasons, his consistency, peak performance, all pro consistency, statistical per game impact, the field general PAKA Peyton Manning football IQ of the defense and advanced analytics to where he could break a new metric in
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if he want to argue that he is hall of fame or the those alone right there are the question that we are asking or in some ways we can ask is he the greatest and it's kind of a flawed question right is because what is the greatest you know what's the greatest cheeseburger what's your favorite cheeseburger um and when we say the greatest somewhere sometimes you take away
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[SPEAKER_02]: from other components that were of these are people of greatness, some people may argue that Ray Lewis, because of his longevity and leadership, while he might, while Luke Keith Lee may have had a higher peak efficiency, Ray Lewis was the standard for sustained excellence and pure intimidation, also he's got a Super Bowl rig.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lewis played 17 seasons to Luke Keakley's A. E. recorded NFL record 2000 and 59 tackles and was still a pro bowler at the age of 36.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, different type of person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl MVP.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if rings matter,
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[SPEAKER_02]: which I think that adds the argument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I think about Rushmore, the great of greats, how you may be changed a game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if anything, Ray Lewis just made people pooped their pants, dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people just scared of that mug.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so while Luke Keith was a student game, Louis was, I mean, just put fear in the hearts of players on the other side, and those are pro players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea of a pro player being the freight of a man, you know, I always think that's crazy is like, you're like, oh shit, it's like you're the toughest dudes in all of the world in a sense, and this guy is scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the guy that was the Pittsburgh Stealer?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, also a line back there, um, the, uh, something else was his name and sounds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just, you're cutting out a little bit, but Oh, we were just starting with the Steelers went to the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not Joey Porter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he was actually a undrafted player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't I think about something James something James James Harrison James Harrison just a fucking terrifying man to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: the like the bogus of dogs to be wolves out there and to be like holy shit this mug is a damn what's that big wolf in the damn uh game of thrones where it's not even a real wolf it's like a super wolf.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The uh the hokosh why can't I have I literally have it on the top of my head the something um
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I know we all know which someone's going to say it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the idea that you're terrifying among terrifying men is interesting, interesting component.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have the Brian Urlacker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that Urlacker is like the greatest of all time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he is a great, but he was the prototype for modern two Tampa Bay middle linebacker and some argued that his physical range was as just as good
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A dire wolf, dire wolf, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Erlacker was significantly better as a blitzer recording 41 and a half career sex to Keaklee's 12 and a half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Erlacker could drop in a coverage on one play and then overpower a guard to sack the next, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was a physical specimen too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had coverage range, he had game-recking ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had some big time games where he recorded 19 tackles on a Monday night game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you have that, it made Erlacker among the greats to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is there's an argument for guys that played in an error that people weren't prepared for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like is, and to me, Lawrence Taylor's the guy, I mean, that's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That dude, I love it so crack, and then go into the game and do this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing I love about what he was, I didn't really get a chance to watch and play.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, when he was playing, it was during a period of my life where, you know, I was young enough to where it wasn't really interesting to me to watch football.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But when you go back and watch the documentaries on that dude,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's unreal with that dude brought to the football field.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was violent as can be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, literally, he would show up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he was talking, this is the thing right here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is Taylor had 132 and a half sex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how the what the fuck is that stat even right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to double check that number.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that's that's correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's only, uh, one of only two defensive players to ever win the NFL MVP, um, he hunted quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to talk about a guy that instilled a few.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you have all of these crazy numbers and the dude with there was games where he just showed up in the second quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I say showed up in the second quarter, he didn't get to the stadium to the second quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Be out party and he's like, I'm going to keep playing better when it was hung over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a little that Greg Hardy, I swear Greg Hardy went into the locker room and did blow, I swear this day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there is, so that guy, it was a revolution, it was like, his L.C.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was a player that was like, that nobody had ever seen at that time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like is in Lavar airing, it was supposed to be the next Lawrence Taylor also very good player, but not in this in this case Dick Vuckus error dominance one man wrecking crew.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a top five MVP voting four years in a row from 67 and 1970 fear factor known for his physicality and violence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and unlike Ray Lewis and Luke Keakley, you often had some elite talent around him, like Ed Reed or Thomas Davis or maybe you could say star, I mean, some other players that were very good, but kiss was a one man band who did it on his own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So do you think that if you wanted to talk about the greatest of all time, do you go with longevity?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you be the goat if you're only played eight seasons?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Versatility, Erlacker and L.T.
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[SPEAKER_02]: gave you more sex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Intimidation, Keith Lee was a genius, but he was he feared, like Lewis, Lawrence Taylor, and Butkis were playoffs excess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are things that may undermine his claim to greatest of all time, but one of the goats for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, Kay, you got a favorite moment from Luke Keakley.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There is a favorite moment and it's none of the ones that people talk about and it's literally has nothing to do with anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was actually, it might have been 2017.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We were playing the Rams and there was a moment, you didn't see it until the replay and nobody talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't like a highlight reel or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was the Rams again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We weren't a good team at this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In 2017, it had to have been 2018.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this guy was blockade.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he threw this guy to the ground with such violence after the play.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, rise right as a play was over.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then just put his hands up and walked away with like this, like menacing like walk.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it was just such a weird.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_04]: It was such like a moment where I'm like,
1:14:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, I am so glad I don't have to play this dude.
1:14:12
[SPEAKER_04]: He was a dude and a man, and he made these guys Knowledge that he was on the field every time he was on the field And so it's not a highlight real.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not anything It's not the you know a pick six and the NFC championship or anything like that, which those are all impressive to me.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_04]: It's even when we were a bad team in games didn't matter He was still Luke
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think there's the pick six against the Cowboys where then he didn't show up.
1:14:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me Tony Romo and they're like five yards into the end zone.
1:14:50
[SPEAKER_02]: That was fun.
1:14:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this is that I feel like there's so many of them that
1:14:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we used to have some kind of like high like not clips, but in the intro of like just Thomas Davis and him just wrecking dudes.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's like, I mean, and that's what I want to talk about when I mentioned like his like I don't want to take away like why we all focus on him like how much of a student he was, but he really played fierce to I keep played.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, people call him like the Clark Kent where, you know, he's like the nice guy and then he goes into the phone booth and he's a different player between lines, but there was that there was the tenacity that you're talking about CK that does stick out is like this mug, wrecked people and also probably reason that he struggled with concussions.
1:15:41
[SPEAKER_02]: to a degree and kind of reminiscing of another great panther linebacker in Dan Morgan who played like a barbarian out there and suffered from a lot of this is but it was it was it was it made I love that pick six on Thanksgiving didn't even pick six in the NFC championship yeah it was the NFC championship he had a pick six because that was the one where the dude fell out of the stadium out of the stands
1:16:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Which one was that it was a the dude fell out of the stands you remember that was that was that there was that was that that might have been I'd been Seattle.
1:16:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, I think just go back and watch his rookie year in his 20 13 year and then this incredible that like I mean we kind of just go back it kind of gets lost and washed and just so many it is crazy ways just plates so fast.
1:16:36
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I remember about let's go back to the calls the numbers 25 to 228 59 yet you guys get on your thoughts of the Hall of Fame discussion.
1:16:45
[SPEAKER_07]: uh... the Mount Rushmore bad bunny whatever you want to talk about the mike is yours let's go to the next call yo you know what's going on c3 it's a new from charlie of your boys have to get to them and uh... twenty twenty five season is officially over uh... congrats to the c-hawks and san darnlman uh... yeah also congrats to team back on winning the offensive because the
1:17:15
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I don't know where we would have been without them if we didn't take them at that spot.
1:17:26
[SPEAKER_07]: So, good pick by Dan Morgan.
1:17:29
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, hope you guys are doing good men.
1:17:31
[SPEAKER_07]: That was time for the offseason, man.
1:17:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Time for the offseason.
1:17:35
[SPEAKER_07]: Only a month.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_07]: March 9th, as I think, is when you can start signing for agents and all of that as well.
1:17:47
[SPEAKER_07]: The rumors are going to be flying around.
1:17:49
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure, you know, the next week, couple weeks.
1:17:54
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, but, you know, I just wanted to call and get my one take away.
1:17:58
[SPEAKER_07]: Also, shout out Lou Kigleyman, unbelievable player, elite, elite linebacker, legendary player.
1:18:07
[SPEAKER_07]: He deserved to go in the Hall of Fame, even though his career was a little shorter.
1:18:12
[SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, after watching the Superwoman, I think it's really clear, like even whatever your opinions are about our defensive coordinator, our team, all that stuff, I think it's time to get this defense back to the old days of, where we have good linebackers, you know, we're physical.
1:18:38
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think the defense took a lot of strides this year
1:18:42
[SPEAKER_07]: being on this path to getting back to that point, but I still feel like there's a couple missing pieces, but you know, Dan and Dave can out, they come from Seattle, right?
1:18:52
[SPEAKER_07]: And Dave worked with John Schneider, the GM over in the C.O.C., and give Mike McDaniel, Mike McDonald credit, his fantastic coach, and he made Drake May, you know, look like a rookie out there.
1:19:03
[SPEAKER_07]: And he technically is, but point being sort of,
1:19:09
[SPEAKER_07]: We need to get past rush.
1:19:10
[SPEAKER_07]: We need to be able to pressure the quarterback next season.
1:19:12
[SPEAKER_07]: I think like that is number one priority.
1:19:15
[SPEAKER_07]: And I know Dan's talked about it.
1:19:17
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like if that can be a serious threat for this team and this defense, our win-toeal can potentially jump up a lot.
1:19:26
[SPEAKER_07]: And last year there were just a couple game games that come to mind like the last box game, the two same games,
1:19:34
[SPEAKER_07]: where we just couldn't get pressure on certain drives that were long sustained drives to make a play, anything like that.
1:19:42
[SPEAKER_07]: So that helps.
1:19:44
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's the biggest takeaway from this series is make the defense elite again.
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_07]: Take some swings.
1:19:51
[SPEAKER_07]: Anthony from Charlotte, give me your thoughts.
1:19:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Man, why?
1:19:56
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a...
1:19:58
[SPEAKER_04]: we certainly have a lot of political metaphors for football teams.
1:20:06
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me.
1:20:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me.
1:20:08
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll hold that wall.
1:20:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, that was ours.
1:20:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I did that one make me make our defense great again make our defense a great yeah, we've always had these in if anything is like whether or not how anybody feels about Donald Trump I don't care Can't say that the guy's not a little showman genius in these oh no yeah
1:20:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, listen, he wasn't, he wasn't a famous person on the on the television for for no reason.
1:20:39
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows how to really get the in a in a short burst of words to to make you, you know, is like, there's no bad press type thing.
1:20:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, if he's making you mad, it's working, if he's making you happy, it's working.
1:20:54
[SPEAKER_02]: We did, we said make Carolina, we made, we had make Sunday's great again.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We had that one a few, two years ago.
1:21:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've had a lot of political tropes that, but you know, it's funny about it is because it has nothing actually to do with politics.
1:21:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It just actually, we had a shitty offensive line.
1:21:19
[SPEAKER_02]: for so long.
1:21:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So like it was like build that wall.
1:21:22
[SPEAKER_02]: We were like you're not we're not talking about Mexico.
1:21:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean we're talking about the care a lot of care.
1:21:27
[SPEAKER_02]: There's offense of why I remember just lead it into that.
1:21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: like crazy, uh, you know what is, uh, I've found this as, and it's just kind of going back, not to the bad bunny, but anything, uh, it's like, I don't got enough energy and time to just be mad about anything now.
1:21:50
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, um, y'all, like whoever's so mad about something, that's a still think that's funny is like your boycotting the halftime Superbow halftime show, but you've also haven't watched the Superbowl in 10 years, whoever you're most of the time, like you actually don't even watch Superbowl.
1:22:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So you are boycotting.
1:22:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You're actually boycotting it when it matches whatever your view of what a good show would be.
1:22:18
[SPEAKER_02]: um I don't know it's just like it and then how much is political grab all of this is I got other shit to be mad about and I'll ice that up like the squeeze on the middle class of America we should be mad about that Let's go to Lucas from Forest City who's congratulating Luke Eccle What's up y'all?
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_06]: It's Lucas from Forest City Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
1:22:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Congratulations to the Hall of Fame or Luke Keeke, I can't believe it man, Hall of Fame.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so proud of him, I'll never forget and we are playing Seattle in the playoffs in 2015 and he picks up Russell Wilson and run that son gun into the end-to-the-end zone and before you know it, and I think he was here right before it arrived after Jonathan Stewart
1:23:16
[SPEAKER_06]: And it was like two or three minutes into the game.
1:23:19
[SPEAKER_06]: We were already up on the C-Hawks, 14 and nothing.
1:23:22
[SPEAKER_06]: All some games, one of my favorite memories.
1:23:25
[SPEAKER_06]: And then another one of my favorites when we were playing the Cowboys that year on Thanksgiving.
1:23:30
[SPEAKER_06]: And he was just a trolley toning around my legendary player.
1:23:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I just wanted to call in and give one of our legends props, congratulations, Luke Keakley, Pete Pounding.
1:23:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much for your call.
1:23:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to the hope dealer.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_09]: What's up, see three lead genus to hope, delicious and then real quick?
1:23:55
[SPEAKER_09]: What a great time to be a panther, span man.
1:23:59
[SPEAKER_09]: Luke Keekely is a hall of fame.
1:24:02
[SPEAKER_09]: I like that.
1:24:04
[SPEAKER_09]: And not only that, but tell a little on the millen, officially the rookie of the year office is looking at the year.
1:24:12
[SPEAKER_09]: What a great time.
1:24:14
[SPEAKER_09]: I just wanted to take a minute, man, just a chime in on Luke Keakley and his Hall of Fame career.
1:24:19
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, what a wonderful representation of Carolina Panther football, Luke Keakley, was and still is in my opinion.
1:24:30
[SPEAKER_09]: For me, thinking back on Luke Keakley's career, he's the smartest player I've ever seen on the field.
1:24:36
[SPEAKER_09]: He seems to always know what was going to happen before it happened.
1:24:42
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, he was so physical, you know, he wasn't the biggest or the strongest, many times, but he was so physical and tactical in the way he played and always gave top effort.
1:24:55
[SPEAKER_09]: But what I really always loved about Luke, in addition to his game was his character, man, what a guy.
1:25:03
[SPEAKER_09]: What a guy, you know?
1:25:04
[SPEAKER_09]: So what was y'all favorite, Luke Keeke Lee moment, man?
1:25:08
[SPEAKER_09]: But for me, I love the pick fixes that he had, and I think it was, I actually think it was in 2015 versus Arizona in Seattle, crazy man.
1:25:20
[SPEAKER_09]: But thinking back on Luke Keakley's career, I just want to give a congratulatory call to him my opinion, the best one backer to ever play the game.
1:25:29
[SPEAKER_09]: But anyway, just to hold Dilla, everybody out there, he pound him.
1:25:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
1:25:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations, Aleuk Keakley.
1:25:36
[SPEAKER_02]: If not the greatest of all time, definitely among the Mount Rushmore and the greatest, Panther linebacker of all time, CK, you can say that.
1:25:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with that.
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's we might have Dan Morgan in the conversation for if he can turn this entire franchise around as maybe the greatest panther of all time, but as far as the greatest lineback or that's going to be Luke all the way for right now.
1:26:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to shout out the C3 chat from Laupac O'Luke.
1:26:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I love how Luke watches film with an Xbox controller, a frog out of Pan Luke.
1:26:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And all of you guys from the real AP, what's good?
1:26:28
[SPEAKER_02]: My brother happy Tuesday.
1:26:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like this one going back to the Hope dealer.
1:26:34
[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of an irony of this is, uh, looks just drafted one year before we started podcast.
1:26:40
[SPEAKER_02]: We started the podcast maybe in October of 2013, where it was like, oh, uh, Joey and I were like, I was trying to like, oh, let's try to figure it out.
1:26:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to build this website first and we built this website and I was and the team just was so dominant on defense and was playing so well.
1:26:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like we just got to do it like just screw it if like we didn't have a good name.
1:27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have any of the setup.
1:27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it was the different era in 2015 you're figuring everything out 2013.
1:27:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me, but the idea was until 2014.
1:27:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, now we got to get in on this.
1:27:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad we did that.
1:27:20
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you are the hook dealer, who can cause dude with a beast?
1:27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Funny part about this is both Joey and I, here before we kept our friendship through distance, little to another state.
1:27:35
[SPEAKER_02]: We call each other talk about the game after the game, or at halftime, panthers were away for us to state as best brothers.
1:27:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Joey, a lot of Maurice Clayborn, Clayborn, Marcus Clayborn, the Maurice or Marcus, Marcus Clayborn, Clayborn, more, Maurice sounds correct.
1:28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a, a quarterback kind of physical skill set to be top quarterback.
1:28:13
[SPEAKER_02]: He holds the honor, the irony of this is we didn't get Clayborn.
1:28:19
[SPEAKER_02]: drafts at Luke Keakley out of nowhere and you're like, Oh, we got John Bees and just the kind of typical thing, which is actually interesting for go to what happened with Seattle is like, you need to build on your strengths and you don't just always need to think about what we, other we need is like you got a, they're defensive front was just horses and horses that they can rotate into.
1:28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... great players and very good players behind them but is look chicly we want to claim clay born or clay more whatever those name was again remember clay born interesting and ironically is look chicly's going to all fame and largely for his intellectual prowess while clay born is most notably known for his notably known for having the lowest wonder looks for the history of football
1:29:08
[SPEAKER_02]: there was an argument that he just put his name on the test and then walked out that's what some people said but you could say we got instead of drafting the player that we wanted that may or may not have been straight dumb
1:29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: The Panthers drafted the smartest player in the draft.
1:29:25
[SPEAKER_02]: We thank you, Luke Keakley, and looking back, you never know what you're gonna get in the NFL draft.
1:29:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't latch on to a player too much.
1:29:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Learn that with Bradley Robe, drafted Kelvin Benjamin.
1:29:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know, Kelvin Benjamin, one great season.
1:29:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Bradley Robe may have made a little bit of a difference.
1:29:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't draft a nickel corner in the first round either, I guess, is another argument.
1:29:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to the calls.
1:29:49
[SPEAKER_02]: John B. Jenkins back.
1:29:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys, John B. Jenkins here, and I wanted to welcome everyone to football season.
1:29:57
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
1:29:58
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got football carrying us all the way from, well, almost to the end of the NFL, pretty close.
1:30:05
[SPEAKER_05]: But to the very beginning of training camp for sure, we've got the national arena league, the NAL starting on February 28th, and they're doing a $30 package for all of their
1:30:22
[SPEAKER_05]: it actually helped them increase their broadcasts, they ended up getting a deal with a couple other sports networks.
1:30:28
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll talk about that in a minute, but I know it's 30 bucks for minor league football, but the NAL is some awesome minor league football, you can watch teams like the Omaha B.
1:30:40
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you haven't seen their orange field, you should check it out.
1:30:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, the NAL starts on February 28th, then we've got the ISL starting on March 14th,
1:30:51
[SPEAKER_05]: And their games are actually going to be free to watch this year on Fandle Sports Network and Yahoo Sports.
1:30:57
[SPEAKER_05]: I think Yahoo will do the East Coast games and Fandle the West Coast games.
1:31:02
[SPEAKER_05]: But definitely check that out.
1:31:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that league last year.
1:31:06
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just it's high quality indoor football and of all the leagues indoor.
1:31:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I would say the ISL is the top league of those leagues.
1:31:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Then we've got the UFL that's some outdoor football for you.
1:31:21
[SPEAKER_05]: It looks like Matt Corral will be coming back as the quarterback of the Burntingham stallions and Cody's favorite guard Blast ways aka damn to Brown still on that team.
1:31:33
[SPEAKER_05]: So look for him.
1:31:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Those can't be going to be on Fox ABC is PN and FS1
1:31:39
[SPEAKER_05]: So we have the AF-1 on April 11th.
1:31:42
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure how we're going to watch those games yet.
1:31:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Then our Ozarks Wunters in the arena lead, kick off on May 30th.
1:31:53
[SPEAKER_05]: And those games you can despot for free on their website.
1:31:57
[SPEAKER_05]: As far as Europe is concerned, I don't know what's going on over there right now.
1:32:01
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a mess.
1:32:02
[SPEAKER_05]: The ELF has been broken up into three potential leagues.
1:32:05
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm just not really going to trust what's going on over there
1:32:10
[SPEAKER_05]: There will be some sort of European football, but the league's maybe split this year.
1:32:16
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, of course, we've got Mexico, La Liga de Football, Americana, Prophesy, and all, then Japan's X League, and then the Canadian CSL, right before train camp.
1:32:25
[SPEAKER_05]: So, that's all I got.
1:32:27
[SPEAKER_05]: This is John B. Jenkins, and I'll be coming back with some more updates.
1:32:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, thank you John the P.J.
1:32:33
[SPEAKER_02]: and looking for that alternative football as we're going forward and there is no football GoFish, goFish, see what we got here, CK if we He's like, I don't know what changed this View right here, maybe this is what we're going to work with right now
1:32:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go back and see the next part of the show as guys, the league years can be starting soon and the Carolina Panthers are going to have some decisions to make 24 decisions that will define the Panthers 20, 26 season.
1:33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not going to go through all of the names on there's 24 free agent CK.
1:33:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But what we're talking about is, if you're a lot of Panthers are going to have to make some decisions about players on their team or in this past season that maybe contributed, maybe that they think they can improve, but they're going to have to make some business decisions in who they keep from that previous roster, who they think that can, they can replace through free agency in the draft.
1:33:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And what strategies they want to go with this, but the most pressing of these names where we can bounce around the full list a little bit,
1:33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you really look at the Esther's kind of a few categories maybe you guys can chime in and the chat and tell us who you think is the most pressing but I think right off the bat it starts with this the Carolina Panthers have the most highly paid offensive line I believe in the NFL they made a commitment two years ago to build that wall.
1:34:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But these guys are with a Damian Lewis him.
1:34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: They're on the roster and they're on the team, but they're they're spinning.
1:34:23
[SPEAKER_02]: They're taking up some big cash Where the Carolina Panthers put the Fifth year option right on
1:34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Kim Aquano, first past year.
1:34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And a Kim Aquano suffered a PCL injury, Patelor tendon or PTO, Patelor tendon injury, the kneecap that Jimmy Graham went through, it's a very difficult recovery for players.
1:34:49
[SPEAKER_02]: that looks like it's six months at the best 12 months at the better.
1:34:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would have learned from injuries and in sports is very few people other than Adrian Peterson defy their timeline of what doctors say they can come back from.
1:35:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they might be able to play.
1:35:11
[SPEAKER_02]: but they might not be the tipi top of their game by any means along that that that that moment.
1:35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So with the chemical Aquana sideline, the offensive line really becomes a conundrum or becomes difficult to agree to deal with which also makes this free agency discussion even more important
1:35:38
[SPEAKER_02]: more pressing and potentially more problematic for the Carolina Panthers CK, Cade May's starting center, Mloud 0-6, 6726 snaps when he played.
1:35:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He was ranked 13th out of 40 and centers in past block grade.
1:35:56
[SPEAKER_02]: he's going to be a free agent yet yosh nengman who is that swing tackle who has been serviceable and and good enough at moments when a corner was out or in times that we're needed he's on the block for free agency and also role players
1:36:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Austin Corbett, Brady Christians in the Carolina Panthers have some work to do on offensive line.
1:36:20
[SPEAKER_02]: See, Kay, how do they, with these players in mind, where they do or, or are they looking elsewhere?
1:36:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, it's just such a hard decision because I think,
1:36:33
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to completely neglect our offense, but I also see the situation at what it is and that is that we do have a problem at offensive line.
1:36:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And we do have a major question.
1:36:51
[SPEAKER_04]: when it comes to what we're doing with the guacquando.
1:36:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Do, I mean, we've already picked up his fifth year, but there's a very, very high chance that he doesn't play a single snap on that fifth year option.
1:37:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And with that only anticipate him too, honestly.
1:37:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I, I think it,
1:37:12
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a few parts that we would have to figure out, like if we're a competitive team, and our biggest concern, you know, or maybe whoever we have playing at Leftacle is a liability, then I can see it happening and maybe a situation like that.
1:37:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but I agree.
1:37:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I think at this point in time, I don't, I don't see any evidence that we're going to, um, we're going to pursue the, uh, you know, uh, that we plan on him coming into play this, uh, this year.
1:37:44
[SPEAKER_04]: They can't be counting on it, right?
1:37:46
[SPEAKER_04]: So they have to plan otherwise.
1:37:48
[SPEAKER_04]: You're 100% right.
1:37:49
[SPEAKER_04]: If we go into next year with this mindset that Iki is going to somehow be the guy and we can't, we really have to plan for him to be not a part of the organization for the entire year.
1:38:03
[SPEAKER_04]: And because of that, you do have to, I think you have to, where we, at one point, we're saying we have to sign
1:38:14
[SPEAKER_04]: it would be malpractice to do that at this point.
1:38:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's no way they're signing him now right now is you're sucking up the fifth year option at this point and arguably is you're not expecting you have to prepare for a season without itky and if you're a quantity you gotta hope that you're really for him I think
1:38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Ideally, what will happen is that somehow his recovery would be fast tracked and he could get in a few games at the end and play well that would help sweeten his short-term deal.
1:38:53
[SPEAKER_02]: with the Carolina Panthers the following year.
1:38:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that what will happen with a corner and so unfortunate sad to be honest for him.
1:39:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I really feel for him is that you went from looking at about to sign an extension whether or not you think he's in one of the top or whatever is that he's good enough and you don't need to go back to the well to the draft is like spending time developing him.
1:39:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's probably looking
1:39:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that, and a very, a friendly one to prove that he can play after this injury or then the hopes that he plays well enough that can land him a three year deal afterwards.
1:39:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So the question is, see, get with that in mind,
1:39:46
[SPEAKER_02]: who do you prioritize and I think to me is I think I think you got to prioritize Cade Maze here.
1:39:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you don't know what you're getting that center.
1:40:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not know it.
1:40:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know where you're going elsewhere.
1:40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to play or this playing very well at their position.
1:40:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That's familiar with the system that's familiar with price that's familiar with they've can Alice and all of this And I think it would be better to sign if you had your choice between Maze and Ninge, but either or I think Maze and then you hope to either dip into the draft might be difficult to start and rookie find another swing tackle I would rather overpay Maze a little then to overpay Ninge men a little
1:40:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a, that's the reason why I think instead of putting too many resources I would put maze at the forefront of offensive, if our offensive line needs, I would say.
1:40:55
[SPEAKER_04]: The Brady Christensen has to still be a part of the conversation, even though injury has, you know, been a big issue for him, but I think that means we're going to get him on a bit of a cheaper deal as well.
1:41:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think you have to re re up on him.
1:41:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, it's Corbett.
1:41:13
[SPEAKER_04]: It's his contract.
1:41:14
[SPEAKER_04]: He's on a win.
1:41:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Corbett.
1:41:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be going into free agency.
1:41:17
[SPEAKER_02]: May's ninchman Corbett and Christians.
1:41:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And and while we like the idea of going back to Christians in when his number was called he played well in the past that he is this jack of all trades and master of none.
1:41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: CK is like, out of all these names, the most, the most I'm interested in is Kate Mays.
1:41:37
[SPEAKER_02]: The least I'm interested in is Austin Corbett.
1:41:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:41:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And the most I don't care about, sadly, is creating Christians in because whether or not we care, or Cody Lackney cared, these coaching staffs don't give us shit about this dude.
1:41:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, so is like, when, I mean, we, they, they signed him and then
1:41:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he got injured early on.
1:42:02
[SPEAKER_02]: He still was always on the wrong.
1:42:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
1:42:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see him play at all this year, really.
1:42:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I think every time that somebody went down, I mean, maybe early in the season, I had injuries, but there were a lot of moments where we had to have some fill in players.
1:42:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:42:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:42:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Always went with another guy.
1:42:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think this year, they signed him and I think that he was, he went out down pretty early on in the season along with Robert Hunt.
1:42:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say their injuries were very close to one another.
1:42:36
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, because I think he was going to be the person that would fill in at any position on that offensive line.
1:42:44
[SPEAKER_04]: And for whatever reason, you know, I can't let me see.
1:42:52
[SPEAKER_04]: and injury.
1:42:55
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's the injury.
1:42:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so he tore his Achilles injury Achilles on week eight.
1:43:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, this didn't.
1:43:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:43:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're again, that's what we've never seen.
1:43:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I almost forgot.
1:43:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I did forget, but I also think like is he was, uh, so coming off of injury, that's difficult.
1:43:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, and you got to keep in mind he had a season ending injury in 2023 as well and so he was he's been
1:43:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, he had been struggling from injuries, you know, from really day one in the NFL, um, this was his fifth year.
1:43:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And so at out of five years, he's been injured on at least two of them.
1:43:36
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think might have been injured in some other seasons as well.
1:43:39
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's going against them.
1:43:40
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that gives us a bit of an opportunity to get him back on the on the team at a,
1:43:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so, and so that's, you know, Cade Maze, Brady Christensen, letting Austin Corbyn go and focus on maybe building through the draft.
1:43:59
[SPEAKER_04]: We have some opportunities there, and, but at the end of the day,
1:44:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that we have to stop the bleeding on paying this offensive line a significant amount of money anymore because while I agree we need to build this the wall.
1:44:17
[SPEAKER_04]: We have some really good players on the team already on the offensive line.
1:44:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's time to restart develop some of these guys.
1:44:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But at a list list of Cade Maze, Yasha Nengman, Austin Corbin, Brady Christiansen, I write them as Cade Maze, make it a priority.
1:44:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Nengman, let's get it done, draft a rookie in the first or second rounds to hopefully fill and step in or study in or get coached up in the time that Nengman's there as patchwork.
1:44:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, right now I have really, uh, as somebody who is like, uh, hoping that Brady Christians in words is that, and, and is, and it mires Austin Corbett for his tenacity from coming back some so many injuries.
1:45:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Those two guys are at the bottom of my list, maze and ninchman higher top.
1:45:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I think K-Maze has got to be done, or else you're trying to address too many things, and then you can't address the team as a whole.
1:45:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Another question facing this free agency goes to the Ricoh Dattled Delimum.
1:45:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, 236 carries this season.
1:45:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Rico d'Auto with a thousand 76 yard to six touchdowns, 4.6 yard to per carry.
1:45:30
[SPEAKER_02]: D'Auto was a force.
1:45:31
[SPEAKER_02]: He was explosive midseason to where he was ultimately able to dethrone, tubahubba, as the starter after an injury, they brought tubah back, they put.
1:45:43
[SPEAKER_02]: True, but in trying to do this split carry thing and Dowdo was a hot hand, but that and we cold late in the season and even more so is that Dowdo seemed to be
1:45:57
[SPEAKER_02]: frustrated verbally and outwardly frustrated with his role with the team.
1:46:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that the decline in performance and even maybe even Chewbe Hubbard looked better late in the season as he started to be fully healthy.
1:46:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But I still don't think that Rico's decline was solely because of him.
1:46:18
[SPEAKER_02]: but also decline in the Carolina Panthers offensive line to where they just weren't effectively able to run the ball and also win against teams with much better run defenses.
1:46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, this isn't a dilemma.
1:46:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is an unfortunate, but necessary.
1:46:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your service.
1:46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We go down.
1:46:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see how the Carolina Panthers can prioritize given Rico down any money, right?
1:46:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Now if they're still dealing with Chewbehooper's contract and on top of that is you're hoping at least this guy right here is hoping for a star that has been troubled by injuries from the moment he was drafted to the moment he hit the field, Jonathan Brooks.
1:47:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you could get this guy to play a season, I think we'll forget Rico Doudle right away, Chuba Hubbard's under contract, and you also have the young in, and at the end, I just don't think the Carolina Panthers
1:47:27
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we don't.
1:47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Ord Rico Dattle, we get as much money as he can.
1:47:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's going to go and try to get money somewhere else.
1:47:37
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to have to probably sign another one year deal.
1:47:40
[SPEAKER_04]: He had a great beginning to the, I mean, middle of the season, but, you know, it really fell off and you know, you really lost a lot of that explosiveness for some reason.
1:47:50
[SPEAKER_04]: But, yeah, I think from all accounts at this point in time,
1:47:56
[SPEAKER_04]: We go down, coming back to the pan.
1:47:58
[SPEAKER_04]: There's, right, just wipe that clean that's just no shot, especially with a healthy Jonathan Brooks coming back and a Trevor ETN on the back end.
1:48:07
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
1:48:08
[SPEAKER_02]: There are two other names that it didn't have, cute up in the notes, CK about to think about.
1:48:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think any of them are going to stir people's passions, but so much DJ Wannam is going to be a free agent.
1:48:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I had some moments for the Carolina Panthers where he played a little bit better than people expected him to play battle the injury this past season as well.
1:48:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your service.
1:48:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't, I mean, not, I don't think there's like, uh, either way, there's any love loss or sadness if he's there.
1:48:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And if he comes back, you would be very hopeful that it was just like league minimum.
1:48:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate to say that about somebody.
1:48:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:48:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Another name, though, that kind of we didn't have to know it's either as Christian Rosebeam.
1:49:04
[SPEAKER_02]: This one is a little more difficult, I think.
1:49:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's difficult because I think he played better than I think he probably would have expected him to, but we're still in that same ballpark of he didn't move the needle in my mind.
1:49:22
[SPEAKER_04]: he wasn't he wasn't a solution C. K. But I don't know, but he's a bridge.
1:49:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:49:29
[SPEAKER_04]: That's he's a bridge and you might be able to bring him back at a league minimum.
1:49:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, or something, I mean, maybe not a league minimum, but you know, a friendly deal.
1:49:40
[SPEAKER_02]: As you're trying to find, you have two options C. K. You can either just part ways with him and go get a big, a big, a name,
1:49:49
[SPEAKER_02]: a more proven commodity in free agency, or you can try to supplement through the draft.
1:49:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I think if you're going through the draft, I think it would be helpful to have Rose Boom on the squad.
1:50:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if they part ways with Rose Boom, they're forced more into being interested in a proven experience, ready now guy who is also a mortal, a needle mover, more so.
1:50:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think when I look at the the situation with Rose boom, I don't it it's I'm in different if we can bring him back on a friendly deal.
1:50:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm fine with that.
1:50:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
1:50:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm also fine with letting him walk.
1:50:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I sincerely do not feel like his existence on this team really changed where we were going as a team and so if they bring him back, if I think it's a good bridge, you know, especially if you're not draft in the middle linebacker in the draft.
1:50:55
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're not playing, if you're pointing to getting one later on in the draft,
1:50:59
[SPEAKER_04]: then bring Rosemame back.
1:51:01
[SPEAKER_04]: He can be a guy who shows in the robes and eventually is able to take over that job from him.
1:51:08
[SPEAKER_04]: But again, Rosemame is a non-exciting player for me to where I'm like, we need to put him at the top of the priority list.
1:51:18
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
1:51:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:51:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
1:51:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is I think the the concern with just parting ways from Rose boom is not having it's just say we have trim wallets and we're going to hope that we figure something out.
1:51:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, that would be the concern.
1:51:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you part ways with Rose boom, you do have to think about me being more aggressive at a sooner fix and an improvement like you don't get a lateral.
1:51:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't go out maybe and get another Rose boom and draft a player because Rose boom played well enough to be competent be out there playing and then you bring in a player you hope is going to supplant him So I think that would that thing that's more interesting to me of a discussion than obviously
1:52:04
[SPEAKER_04]: DJ Wannam, for, for, for instance, is the DJ, why didn't he on a contract longer or says was this his last year?
1:52:14
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going into free agency.
1:52:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
1:52:18
[SPEAKER_04]: The DJ Wannam is an interesting conversation because I do think he's a good player.
1:52:21
[SPEAKER_04]: But he is his injuries were really, they basically made it impossible for him to contribute to the level his contract was at.
1:52:33
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
1:52:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And the third tier kind of of players that are in this big 24 free agency discussion are some real important gold players to the team.
1:52:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is JJ Jansson, the veteran later 39
1:52:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it time to move on or is it like, hey, this guy just continues to just play and he's the longest tenure player in the history of football.
1:53:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like, but also you're looking at Sam Martin.
1:53:19
[SPEAKER_02]: for a commodity and player you know what you got or do you go out there and try to save two million and find a guy that can be competent or equal or something to that effect.
1:53:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I like this as I like the idea is bringing both of these guys back to K. Yeah, I mean the only issue with the JJ Janssen is I felt like his
1:53:48
[SPEAKER_04]: in the at down the field was a little bit less than it had been in years past.
1:53:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I have no evidence to say that that has anything to do with is declining athleticism, but it does feel like every year we hear of JJ Jansen doing something crazy down the field, whether it's
1:54:04
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that scoop and score that he had that one year or whether it was, you know, just an incredible tackle.
1:54:13
[SPEAKER_04]: It didn't feel like we've really seen so much of that this year.
1:54:17
[SPEAKER_04]: But so again, the JJ Jansson.
1:54:21
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's more of a story emotional story more so than one that I think would be important verse to sign him back.
1:54:29
[SPEAKER_04]: But the Sam Martin 100% I mean the dudes of baller he's been able I'm I am tired of the the constant turnover on the punter side of the ball right between Hecker and Sam Martin.
1:54:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying Martin but uh and you know he was the Andy Lee and then we had but so somebody after him that was really it was a decent
1:54:50
[SPEAKER_02]: every one of the punters we've had since like and he has been good let me go back to nortman yeah and they just they're not it's a place i think in the league that people have a hard time spending that i mean obviously they've been able cycle guys in that have been effective
1:55:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of cost savings right here.
1:55:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked what he did.
1:55:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He really is helpful with this team.
1:55:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I like those guys are West Controversial to me, and maybe have been in the past.
1:55:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys, you're listening to C3 Panthers podcast.
1:55:27
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1:55:35
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're going to bring them back, don't worry.
1:55:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And just a couple of weeks, we're going to be dipping into free agency, baby.
1:55:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Think of the beginning of March.
1:55:43
[SPEAKER_02]: We get right into free agency.
1:55:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Panthers are going to be, I'm sure, active.
1:55:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe not, hopefully we'll see some early news.
1:55:55
[SPEAKER_02]: We will see some players.
1:55:57
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw how the Patriots were able to spend the most money in the league last year and go from 3 and 14 to 14.
1:56:04
[SPEAKER_02]: and free agency, and part of that is going to be on the right place on this.
1:56:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I can't find the guys that they're not going to bring back in additions that they're going to make.
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1:57:52
[SPEAKER_02]: CK, one of our charges is this as we're not football experts, but we're football fans, and we always talk about we're chopping up the latest Panthers news and opinions.
1:58:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about Steve Smith and the context of the Hall of Fame legend, a Panther legend.
1:58:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know is that there's a Panther adjacent story with Steve Smith,
1:58:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that, I have to, I mean, I kind of have to talk about, I don't have to.
1:58:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, Steve Smith, you're like, damn, why you got to do that to me?
1:58:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on to podcast.
1:58:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Smith, I still say you'd be the scariest person live with.
1:58:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be scared to eat your cheese nips.
1:58:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Be like, who ate my cheese nips?
1:58:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Panthers legend Steve Smith today, I think the case is either progress somehow, it like filed or something to this effect.
1:58:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It's currently embroiled in a high profile civil lawsuit.
1:58:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It was filed in Mecklenburg County.
1:58:55
[SPEAKER_02]: That has saved a more personal turn in the media, the details of the cases and I told you guys this, you guys that it like I said, brought this up is that remember Steve Smith was some guy on Twitter, actually his name was Antonio Martinez, out of him, and said that Steve Smith, he called Steve Smith, he had the recording, Tim Collins, Steve Smith is he was cheating, Steve Smith was
1:59:22
[SPEAKER_02]: smashing you know what is this his wife turns out and this guy just outed it all on Twitter right Steve Smith the guy called him or I think he called Steve Smith and Steve Smith called it whatever and Steve Smith I guess I'm sorry right we had this moment but I told you guys I said look there might be something with this loss of affection
1:59:48
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a loss of affection law in North Carolina.
1:59:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I was assuming that this happened in Maryland, but this was filed in North Carolina.
1:59:55
[SPEAKER_02]: The details of the case are Antonio Martinez, a former member of the Baltimore Ravens marching Ravens band filed a lawsuit against Smith in May of 2025 for allegedly having a month long affair with his wife, Nicole Martinez.
2:00:12
[SPEAKER_02]: The legal claim is that the suit is filed under North Carolina's alienation of affection statute commonly known as the home record law, which allows the spouse to sue a third party for destroying the love and affection of a marriage.
2:00:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, allegations, Martinez claims that the fair began in September, 24, while Steve Smith was filming in NFL Network showing Baltimore, he's seeking over $100,000 in damages, citing intentional inflection of emotional distress and exacerbation of his PTSD.
2:00:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the reason that this is, if interest to me is, uh, parent or legend Steve Smith,
2:01:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Meet Dorf Carolina legend, Kevin Howard, who is a Greenville native, who also used to own the G Vegas magazine, which was a very popular magazine in a ECU, where known as a party town in the early 2000s before the internet and social media was a big deal, and they would go around a bars and take pictures and you would find the G Vegas magazine and be like, oh, there you are,
2:01:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Greenville, Greenville light, G Vegas legend, this is why this is always of interest to me when I hear these stories, he's the first person, the first man to win the loss of affection, loss in North Carolina history, he lives here in North Carolina, Kevin Howard, legend.
2:01:52
[SPEAKER_02]: fighting crime out there and fighting heart breaks for all men who get who are always deemed as dogs, but sometimes get wronged.
2:02:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Howard won a $750,000 claim for loss of affection.
2:02:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Kev, he's a cool dude.
2:02:09
[SPEAKER_02]: He's actually very nice.
2:02:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He said it was hell to go through.
2:02:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He actually didn't really want to, but the turn, not want to, but I'm speaking for him.
2:02:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It might be bigger.
2:02:18
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was like, he didn't know if this was something that he wanted, but the attorneys were like, this is really a case.
2:02:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And he actually went out and won the damn thing.
2:02:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if he gets that $750,000, I doubt it because probably the people he's dealing with don't have any real money.
2:02:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, why is this, uh, I've always celebrated Kevin Howard as a, as a legend in Greenville.
2:02:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always, like, and that this is why the Steve Smith case, when it happened C. K. months ago a year ago when he knew about it.
2:02:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
2:02:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, dude, this could be a real thing.
2:02:49
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem for Steve Smith in this is that he actually does have money.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a, and there's an admission of what he did on, uh, on the, the voicemail on that recording.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, can that be used in court if it wasn't something that he was, that's the, the part of it that, you know, becomes a little bit more tick attack or tick attack.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He, but, um, if Seeth Smith wasn't aware that he was being recorded, that, uh, can't be used in court.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if you have to inform the person in North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I don't know that the one party stay, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I also don't think that it's even that is to me I just continue to come back to is I don't know Kevin Howard circumstances of who how much he's actually recoup but this person does have the ability to pay a hundred thousand dollars in Steve's money is obviously it's like it's not impossible for him to pay it so you're not just getting a moral victory
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, don't let them see that Kevin Howard got $750,000 claim.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I noticed he's making me mad for putting this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't, he don't want to meet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: another legend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But really fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys got to watch Kevin Howard on Dr. Phil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: King epic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And wild that he does is trauma court case for himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just had to bring that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also C. K. I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can go, you know, Greg Olson, some people talk about, yeah, it's, well, we'll talk about Greg Olson another night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, talk about Greg Olson another night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Next week, we may bring this up is do the Carolina Panthers have an identity crisis think about this for next week's topic are the Panthers are they are they are they do we got big balls Dave can now is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because he believes in it or because he felt like he had to on fourth down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how can a Carolina Panthers defense go from 32 to 23.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also there's a lot of heat around it as euro euro.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Talk about that next week on the C3 Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even crisis in the making or in our we in therapy solving this on Tuesday night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's the show for right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got one final segment where we tell someone to ice up tough enough to get it together Let's ice some food
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ironically, this is our homage to Steve Smith, where we tell someone I sucked up and up to get it together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not giving it to you tonight, Smitty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I already did your dirty enough, I guess, by celebrating Kevin Howard a little bit more than you probably want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's our time to ice someone up, tough enough to tell them to get together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can step outside the bounds of football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about our families.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about our friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And ice up whatever we want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: CK, do you have any ice up picks for us?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to go with the, I'll start with this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me before I jump too far ahead.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You had brought up that, you know, we're obviously family and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, it's uh, we wanted to throw out a rest in peace to, um, the, uh, the singer of three doors and down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was the actual, uh, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that we had gone to go see.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and so that was, uh, he died recently from a cancer battle that, uh, didn't last very long.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, that actually happened this past week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, um, but, uh, my ice up to bring it back to something and a little more, uh, maybe not even lighthearted a little more series actually, uh, is going to be the, uh, the situation with regard to bad money.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, and the Super Bowl and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's, it's hysterical to have people boycotting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You do what you want to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not here to make your decisions for you, but,
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, to somehow believe that this dude is less American because he's singing in Spanish is a problem, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not, it's fake rage for the sake of being able to tell people that your somebody that wants to, you know, that has a moral compass that's important to you and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think anybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: truly believes that that this dude is somehow a threat to our democracy or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I also respect the fact that you want to watch a show that is a little more geared towards what you enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that either.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it's when the two sides attack one another that I think it becomes more of a
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[SPEAKER_04]: more of a
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[SPEAKER_04]: an unnecessary conflict that that's where this ice ups coming in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you're somebody who wants to demonize those that that have went to go watch the other halftime show, then you're a part of the problem just as well as if you're somebody who was calling bad bunny on American because he's from Puerto Rico without realizing that Puerto Rico is actually
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[SPEAKER_04]: right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so he has a citizen of the United States.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you're also wrong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if we can't get to a point where we can respect one of another's cultures without this umbrella of being forced into acting like
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[SPEAKER_04]: you should be a part of these cultures because you are otherwise you're considered something of a racist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's where we need to start to find the middle ground and realize that people can be their own people, but it does not require us to attack one another.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm icing up those people who refuse to acknowledge how to be civil in this society that we live in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and they nod to a Dave Gettelman and a non-English word.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's Machugna.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for his yetish drops all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Machugna, right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ice up, C.K.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I don't really, I could have, like, I felt like yesterday, I had like 10, I wanted to do anything really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: studied.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've not watched a single bit of the winter Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I want to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of want to look okay and I think that it's like I always enjoyed at some point like looking at the top of somebody's field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, particularly like I think like I think the ice skating routines are always great, you know, is like that thing that can be fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just, I like seeing those crazy jumps on the The big ski jumps and things in the winter Olympics and stuff like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but this is just as somebody who has it and just fairness from full disclosure, haven't watched any
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this tweet kind of rubbed me wrong way this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, or at point, man, Rubman is like, I gave it like about 14 seconds of rage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this is bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, at least I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: at Seb McKinnon, Seb McKinnon, he said, so just found out Olympic figure skater used one of my songs without permission for their routine at aired all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is that usual practice for the Olympics?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Part of the story is this is a US figure skater Amber Glenn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Olympic gold medalists, thanks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She may have struck a new friendship with him because of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Canadian artists said McKenna who produces music under the name, C-Lon, or
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's C-L-A-A-C-L-A-N-E.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it could be C-L-N, or it could be C-L-N, or C-L-N. Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Add take into social media after Glam performed a free skate to conclude the team of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sunday and express his surprise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This song, the return was used as part of the program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: figure skaters are required to obtain copyright permission for the music they use, but the process is confusing and prone to mistakes and several mosquitoes at a long Cortina games have had to change your programs at the last minute because of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Glymer at this the issue of music right or or state of this the issue of music rights can be complex and confusing seems like there was a hiccup in the whole process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad we cleared things up with Seb and I look forward to collaborating with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm mildly outraged by this, but because I was like this to me, it was like, said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just got your music played in front of the whole world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and take it to a window.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, I just felt like it was like, what are we going to get?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if somebody, I don't know, I was just like, what are you going to do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go into every skate ranking in America and sports world, a roller skate rick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be like, look at that great shuffle skate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're to a point of
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was like, gosh, I don't know, I mean, look, as we do want artists to be compensated for their things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These are routines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of artistic components to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just was like, come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I say, I said,
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[SPEAKER_02]: ice up from the free skate routine of the winter Olympics, but you know what you got both of the things you wanted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got paid and the publicity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm giving you publicity right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope your name is clawing or sea land rather than clan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ice up to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My name's Tony Dunn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's CK the man with the golden pipes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in Deering Stories, we voted upon to get a historic piece of Panther memorabilia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to my bastard son, thanks for all the people in the chat tonight from Panther Gow to Jay Rock sticky to IOU, the real AP John Jenkins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lightning 20 and Anthony from Charlotte in many more that I didn't mention C. K. It was fun hanging out with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you next Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude.
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[SPEAKER_04]: See you next Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me get this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shout out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cody like as I hit this bumper.