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Naturopathic Medicine with Dr. Mary Shackelton | Motherhood Uncut Podcast | Season 2 Episode 15 · Motherhood Uncut

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SPEAKER_01: Mary Shackleton this week.
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SPEAKER_01: And she is this incredible naturopath in town.
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SPEAKER_01: She's been working with women for over 25 years.
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SPEAKER_01: She's the founder of the holistic integrative care clinic.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, this is Deb.
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SPEAKER_01: So if any of you are listening to me, you know by now that I have a huge passion for self-discovery and growth.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, Deb.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, Katie.
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SPEAKER_00: Deb, tell everybody about our amazing guest today.
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SPEAKER_01: We have Mary Shackleton here, who is an incredible naturopath in the community.
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SPEAKER_01: She has been helping people for over 25 years.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're so happy to have you here because we want to learn from you.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to turn it over to you to introduce yourself.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, thank you for having me.
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SPEAKER_03: These are the my favorite types of conversations to have.
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SPEAKER_03: I am a naturopathic doctor and I've been in Boulder for 25 years, and my practice has really, over the years, morphed from I did a pediatric residency, so I started with peds, and then I realized, oh, you can't get the kid well unless you get the mom well.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: So then it really speaking our language, Mary.
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SPEAKER_03: All right.
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SPEAKER_03: And so then, you know, really focused on women's health, and I had the Women's Center for Natural Medicine for many years.
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SPEAKER_03: And then um I realized, wow, you can get somebody's hormones totally dialed, and you can get their adrenals totally dialed, and their thyroid totally totally dialed, and then they're still not well.
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SPEAKER_03: What's going on?
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SPEAKER_03: Then I kind of dove deeper and realized there's this whole layer of entire environmental illness and environmental toxicity that lowers immune function, increases risk of chronic infections, exp et cetera.
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SPEAKER_03: So that's kind of where I am right now.
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SPEAKER_03: I focus on environmental toxicity and neurologic health, those are my favorite things right now.
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SPEAKER_03: But I still obviously treat women primarily, and women are the major health care seekers in general.
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SPEAKER_03: So that's kind of who shows shows up at my postrip.
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SPEAKER_00: Women are the major health care seekers in general.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: Isn't that so true?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Why do you think that is?
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SPEAKER_01: Why do you think that is?
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SPEAKER_03: They're the gatekeepers.
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SPEAKER_03: You know, they're they're the ones who are gonna research a therapist, they're gonna find a pediatrician, they're gonna find, they're gonna more often than not, men show up because their wife makes them come to my clinic.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's you know, I really try to make it a disarming experience for them because I think that men don't like to be vulnerable in a healthcare setting.
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SPEAKER_03: Interesting and they're they're the most likely to go undiagnosed for numerous conditions.
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SPEAKER_03: And so women, I think women are just you know, they they focus on recipes and food and doctor's appointments and dentists, and so it's I don't know, it's just the way it is.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: I always say we are the emotional space holders.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that I think a lot of our listeners actually are striving to feel good, to feel better, to to understand themselves better, to understand their children better.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that would lead to calling someone like you.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: I always say people, you know, there's there's I don't know that there's a limit to how good you can feel.
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SPEAKER_03: Like we have an idea, maybe it was our best ever, but then I'm always like, well, how much better can you feel than that?
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SPEAKER_00: Don't you find it's so interesting you say that.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: Don't you find that in motherhood we get so used to feeling kind of meh?
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SPEAKER_00: We get used to feeling overwhelmed or tired or burnt out, and we tell ourselves, yeah, but it's because I'm a new mom, or it's because I'm a working mom, or it's because my kids are toddlers, right?
6:31
SPEAKER_00: We have all these reasons to assume it's okay to feel fine and not great.
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SPEAKER_00: We gotta shift that.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's like this time, time poverty.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I have that myself for sure.
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SPEAKER_03: I've had that feeling of like there's not enough time for me to actually do the final piece, which is pleasure or joy or uh like being present.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Mary, before we dive in to more of your work, will you tell our listeners what a naturopathic doctor actually is?
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SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, I would love to.
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SPEAKER_03: Um a naturopathic doctor, we're actually physicians.
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SPEAKER_03: We're trained, we have a four-year medical school education and required board certification, and now residency is a little bit more of a requirement than it was when I graduated in 1998.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, but most docs will do a residency now.
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SPEAKER_03: And you can specialize, you can do minor surgery, you can be an oncology naturopathic doctor, you can focus on PEADs or women's health.
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SPEAKER_03: So you can specialize in whatever you want, but generally we're trained to treat the whole person and the vital force.
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SPEAKER_03: And the vital force is that which gives you you.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's what you're talking about.
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SPEAKER_03: When women give birth and they're raising children, they lose that piece of their vital force, and then that will translate into physical manifestations often.
7:53
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: So when you can you say more actually about the vital force, like why women lose that and what happened and how to get it back?
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SPEAKER_03: I think one, I think we take it for granted, and we put ourselves on the back burner.
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SPEAKER_03: This is purely speaking from practical experience.
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SPEAKER_03: We want that too.
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SPEAKER_03: I have three kids, so I'm very well versed in this area of running a business and being a mom and trying to juggle it all, and you just put yourself on the back burner all the time.
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SPEAKER_03: And so I think if I had been a lawyer or a banker, I wouldn't be as healthy as I am, but because I do what I do, I was kind of always focused on my health.
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SPEAKER_03: Um and so is that answering your question?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I when you say vital health, I mean vital force.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, vital force.
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SPEAKER_03: It's an intangible um, it's of like an energy behind your physical health.
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SPEAKER_03: And so it is comprised of spiritual, emotional, physical, and um literal biologic processes, but it is that which wants to heal.
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SPEAKER_03: And so when something's in the way of your vital force, there will be an illness.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of like acupuncture where you're moving obstacles and meridians, but this is also the case.
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SPEAKER_03: We all have a vital force, and some people are stronger than others.
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SPEAKER_03: And so there's usually an obstacle in the way, and that's the job of a naturopathic physician is to find out what's that obstacle and remove it.
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SPEAKER_00: God, I've never thought about it that way.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: And that is amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that too.
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SPEAKER_01: And how does it how is it different than your constitution?
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SPEAKER_01: Sim similar.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Very similar.
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SPEAKER_01: We explained to our listeners that what the constitution is?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I that's the language that I've always known.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, so your constitution is um think of think of different I think of different nationalities.
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SPEAKER_03: They all have a similar constitution.
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SPEAKER_03: Like the Germans are like really sturdy and hardworking, and other cultures are a little bit more fragile, maybe, and a little bit more delicate.
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SPEAKER_03: And so your constitution is what drives you to be you.
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SPEAKER_03: Is that answering your question?
9:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes so much sense.
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SPEAKER_03: And so your constitution literally, we get that more from the maternal side of the the constitution, and we actually get all of our mitochondria on the maternal side.
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SPEAKER_03: So the mitochondria is the energy of every cell.
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SPEAKER_03: There's there's an engine in every single cell called the mitochondria, it makes energy, and that is coming from your maternal genes.
10:05
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: So if you think about maybe your listeners could think, well, does my constitution match my mother's or my energy?
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SPEAKER_03: It usually does.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
10:14
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
10:15
SPEAKER_03: What about for you?
10:16
SPEAKER_03: That's so interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Constitution a hundred and fifty percent matches my mother's for better and for worse.
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SPEAKER_00: Likewise, right?
10:25
SPEAKER_03: Likewise, my mother is German.
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SPEAKER_03: She just work and then you work and then you work some more.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like I'm such a blend.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I feel like physically I am my father.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I just, but like energetically, I am my mother.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: And but it's so funny when I think of constitution, I also think like how I digest food and like how I wake up in the morning and how I sweat, you know, things like that.
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
10:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's true.
10:51
SPEAKER_03: And I think it's probably um people probably can identify with Ayurveda.
10:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
10:56
SPEAKER_03: And whether what what dosha you are.
10:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
10:58
SPEAKER_03: It's a very similar concept.
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SPEAKER_01: Right, like I'm pitta all the way.
11:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
11:02
SPEAKER_03: I can never remember what I am.
11:03
SPEAKER_03: You're Vata.
11:04
SPEAKER_03: Deb tells me I'm Vata.
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SPEAKER_01: I tell her all the things she is.
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SPEAKER_01: She is.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't even know I can tell you.
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SPEAKER_00: What am I doing?
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SPEAKER_00: She tells you.
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unknown: Three.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: Mary.
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SPEAKER_00: I would love us to dive in a bit to your book because you have this great new book.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: And I would love for you to tell our listeners about the book and why you wrote it.
11:32
SPEAKER_00: I think Deb and I were both really curious.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: We were talking before we started recording about how your life, your own journey has informed your work.
11:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm curious to know if part of what drew you to write this book had to do with your own experiences.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: But can you tell everyone the title of your book, what it's about, and why it's here, why it's on the planet?
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SPEAKER_03: Super soul-driven.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Um the title of the book is Preconception Cleanse, Detoxify Your Life Inside and Out for the Optimal Health of Your Baby.
12:03
SPEAKER_03: So remember, I don't treat pediatric patients anymore, but I treat adults.
12:08
SPEAKER_03: And 40-year-olds and 50-year-olds are coming in way too frequently with brain fog.
12:13
SPEAKER_03: And this I believe is an environmental consequence, exposures to chemicals and all of the things we'll probably talk a little bit more about.
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SPEAKER_03: And so I thought, okay, I also have a master's in public health, and public health is very prevention-oriented.
12:27
SPEAKER_03: And so I have this prevention-oriented naturopathic mind, which is if this 40-year-old has brain fog, what if this person was born with less of a total toxic burden?
12:37
SPEAKER_03: Would they have brain fog as a 40-year-old?
12:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, because this is not going well.
12:42
SPEAKER_03: We're we're not heading in the right direction, we're not becoming more vital as a as a country.
12:46
SPEAKER_03: And so I thought, wow, what if we really teach women how to reduce their total toxic load before they get pregnant?
12:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
12:53
SPEAKER_03: Because there's something called vertical transmission.
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SPEAKER_03: Your mother gave you her toxic load, her mother gave it to her.
13:00
SPEAKER_03: So there's this vertical transmission of toxins that ends up in our generation.
13:04
SPEAKER_03: And children, as we both all know, they are not getting any healthier.
13:07
SPEAKER_03: And so kids are on ADD medications, they're on anti-anxiety medications.
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SPEAKER_03: This never happened before.
13:13
SPEAKER_03: So, and I don't believe it's just better diagnostics.
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SPEAKER_03: I do believe that their brains are different.
13:17
SPEAKER_03: And so that was the genesis of the book.
13:19
SPEAKER_03: And so it's a bit of a circular thinking, but you know, to really what really um makes me feel purposeful and like I'm on the right track is when I'm doing something to prevent something that's preventable.
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SPEAKER_03: So it is preventable.
13:33
SPEAKER_03: And ironically, I um, you know, my kids grew up in my household, they're as healthy as they can be, and they do their own thing a lot of the times.
13:41
SPEAKER_03: I think I was telling you about the Kit Kat wrappers in the dryer, which is the day I surrendered to my son.
13:47
SPEAKER_03: He must have been seven.
13:48
unknown: Oh my god.
13:49
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, oh man, I'm gonna lose this battle.
13:53
SPEAKER_03: So um, but I did see him this weekend and he said, Can you just send me that salad recipe, Mom?
13:57
SPEAKER_03: You know, it sticks.
13:58
SPEAKER_03: It comes around.
13:59
SPEAKER_03: Don't don't give up.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's in there.
14:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so what's really ironic is that my kids are healthy.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm so grateful, and I've been really how careful about their health.
14:11
SPEAKER_03: And then my son started college this year, and the same pattern showed up for him, which was starts out really strong, end of the semester, paralyzed, drowning.
14:21
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, hmm.
14:22
SPEAKER_03: I so I've long story short, I got him a cess and he has ADD, which I didn't realize.
14:28
SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, he he's smart enough to just get by.
14:32
SPEAKER_03: He's passed all his classes, he's he's good, but I know he's really struggling, and yet he's also a really easy kid.
14:39
SPEAKER_03: So he didn't really have any, he flew under the radar.
14:42
SPEAKER_03: So it was literally two weeks after he got his diagnosis that this book was published, and I realized, oh, I probably gave him a lot of that uh, you know, what's going on in his brain, and because of what was in my body when I gave birth, when I was pregnant.
14:56
SPEAKER_03: So it kind of like, you know what, if it's happening in my house, it's happening in everyone's house.
15:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:02
SPEAKER_03: You know, and we're pretty we're pretty healthy, but it's not perfect, don't get me wrong.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: Can I I can I just ask you, you know, it's interesting.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: You just named this thing that we do as mothers a lot where we we sort of connect the dots, and I heard you just say, Oh my gosh, I realize I think you said I gave to him.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: I think you were saying I get that ADD that he's now diagnosed with in college potentially was in part caused by some of the toxins that he had.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: You know, when you acknowledge that connection, how do you what do you do with that as a mom?
15:37
SPEAKER_00: How do you sit with that?
15:39
SPEAKER_03: I tell you what, I feel like if I have it, then it's the fault is on no one.
15:45
SPEAKER_03: Again, I'm not perfect.
15:46
SPEAKER_03: It's a f reflection of what our environment is facing or what our what people are facing no matter what they do.
15:52
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
15:53
SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean, I have a sauna.
15:54
SPEAKER_03: I sit in my sauna, a juice.
15:56
SPEAKER_03: I eat them organic exclusively.
15:58
SPEAKER_03: I'm careful, I'm aware, and look what happened.
16:00
SPEAKER_03: You know, so it's just you know, if anything, I want moms to not at all, but again, moms are the ones on the front lines looking for help for their kids.
16:10
SPEAKER_03: And so I never ever want a mom to feel like it's her fault because it's not your fault.
16:16
SPEAKER_03: Never, never, never.
16:17
SPEAKER_03: But what is the problem is what's happening in the environment.
16:20
SPEAKER_03: And so the more awareness we have around that, the better.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: So I know we don't want to go down like the hardcore road of environmental things, but I am curious if you wouldn't mind speaking to just a few things that we need to be mindful of around the environment.
16:35
SPEAKER_03: A little bit goes a long way in this area, like a little bit of awareness.
16:38
SPEAKER_03: You don't have to turn your house upside down.
16:41
SPEAKER_03: And what I always really want women to do is to give themselves a year.
16:46
SPEAKER_03: This doesn't have to be done in two weeks.
16:48
SPEAKER_03: Give yourself a year to get through those products in your bathroom that are maybe not great for you, replace them with good things.
16:54
SPEAKER_03: That would be huge.
16:54
SPEAKER_03: So though the things to look for are fragrances, parabens, all the things that you might be familiar with, but you might not know how to recognize on a label.
17:02
SPEAKER_03: And so there are some amazing tools for that.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: There's one called Yucca, Y-U-K-A, that you is fabulous.
17:09
SPEAKER_03: It has it reads a barcode and it'll rate the product.
17:12
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
17:12
SPEAKER_03: And so not every product comes with a barcode because it comes in a package.
17:15
SPEAKER_03: We toss the package.
17:16
SPEAKER_03: But if you have a product you're not sure about, you can put it into Environmental Working Group, ewg.org.
17:22
SPEAKER_03: They have a skin deep database, and you can put the name of the product in there and they will rate that.
17:28
SPEAKER_03: So go through your bathroom when you have time with a friend.
17:31
SPEAKER_03: It's way better with a friend.
17:33
SPEAKER_03: Then wine or tea.
17:36
SPEAKER_03: The bathroom challenge is what I'm calling it.
17:38
SPEAKER_03: And um just like maybe make a mental note of things you want to replace.
17:41
SPEAKER_03: Fragrances are really kind of the the worst, the dirtiest, the F-word.
17:46
SPEAKER_03: Fragrances, um, the problem with these chemicals is they look like hormones to our body, they sit on the cell receptor and make your body look like it has extra hormones.
17:55
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
17:56
SPEAKER_03: When it really doesn't, and so that's interfering with sperm health and ovarian health and all kinds of all kinds of things.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: Mary and I were talking about this the other day, and I was like, You should be up in the second floor of my house at eight o'clock every morning and smell the 27 fave fragrances.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: Well, this is what I thank you.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: I was just about to say the same thing that I'm gonna ask you to put on your mother hat right now of how, like, okay, I'm working really hard with buy-in.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: Like, I want my kids to buy in for them, not because my agenda is bigger than theirs.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Because once my agenda's bigger, I lose them.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: And especially on makeup and and products.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: And I am like, I will pay for the good stuff.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: And they are like, no way, we want Target.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Like, we want to go and and you know, I want to be mindful of not sounding like a a snob here, right?
18:49
SPEAKER_01: But I feel really like when I smell those fragrances, I have such a visceral reaction, and always have actually.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, since I was a little kid, I had severe allergies, and I was like, I just couldn't deal with big fragrances.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, as a mom, how do you do that?
19:05
SPEAKER_01: How do you get them to buy in?
19:07
SPEAKER_03: Wow, good.
19:08
SPEAKER_03: It's it's like a it's a process, you know, and I try to empower my kids.
19:13
SPEAKER_03: Like, these are all the safe ones, pick what you want.
19:16
SPEAKER_03: And I actually just created a list that um I can give you a link to um safe um menstrual hygiene products, safe shampoo, and safe makeup.
19:25
SPEAKER_03: We can add that for the show notes.
19:27
SPEAKER_03: Yes, I want that.
19:28
SPEAKER_03: Yes, great.
19:29
SPEAKER_03: And so you can just you can do it with them.
19:32
SPEAKER_03: You know, one of my um I started this with my oldest daughter who's now 22.
19:36
SPEAKER_03: We used to go shopping for clothes, and I refused to have that um that bickering about clothes with my daughter, so I was like, let's just both agree that we like it.
19:43
SPEAKER_03: If we both don't like it, we don't buy it.
19:45
SPEAKER_03: So you could do the same thing with the products.
19:47
SPEAKER_03: If we both don't, if we both don't agree, we can't buy it.
19:49
SPEAKER_03: But there's so many products now.
19:51
SPEAKER_03: Wait, which is basically saying if I don't like it, you can't buy it.
19:54
SPEAKER_03: If she's no, but if you if you say something that's too granola hippie for her, she says no, and that's a no.
20:01
SPEAKER_03: Right.
20:01
SPEAKER_03: Oh, she gets to say no too.
20:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I like it.
20:04
SPEAKER_03: She gets to say no.
20:05
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, you guys just you you agree, and and part of it is you have to tell them a little bit of the why.
20:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm not just telling you this to boss you around.
20:13
SPEAKER_03: This is actually not safe.
20:15
SPEAKER_03: And here's why.
20:16
SPEAKER_03: And there are safe things.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think what's landing for me right now is I'm constantly choosing my battles, right?
20:22
SPEAKER_01: And like, and I decided that clothes is a battle I'm not gonna pick right now.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Like free expression, all the things.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: And I think I'm actually a little like shame is too strong of a word, but like a little annoyed with myself that I've been letting a lot of the product thing go because I'm much more focused on choosing food instead when I can, which I've had to let that go too, because they eat noodles like every chance they get.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: And I know what is it about that place?
20:50
SPEAKER_01: It's just close and easy and affordable.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: And they get some autonomy, maybe.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think that's like carbs, they like numb them and they soothe their soul.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: They feel good until later.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: But I think what I'm hearing what I'm sitting with me right now is that this is not one to let go.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: Like how impactful it is, especially as they're so hormonal and growing and developing.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: That when you said it like sits on top of the cell surface.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Right, and like when it sits on top of it, I hear that as a contract, like a it stops growth.
21:25
SPEAKER_03: No, it more like it tells the cell to do the action of estrogen, it's not really estrogen that's doing it.
21:29
SPEAKER_03: So then she has her estrogen on top of that.
21:32
SPEAKER_03: So it's like a double whammy, and these chemicals are foreign to life, so they don't really have any good things going on for us.
21:40
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm wondering if we could just get a little more information about this for a moment because um I think when we hear things like, oh, fragrances are bad, or let's stick cu reduce the amount of fragrances, or we want to reduce the toxins in our environment, in our home.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: We m I don't Always know why.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: Like what is actually happening?
22:02
SPEAKER_00: So if you could speak a little bit more to that with the fragrances, with the toxins, why it you already have sort of dabbled in this, Mary, so it might be asking a question you've already answered.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: But what is the simplest, most layperson way to describe why these things are bad for our brain and body health?
22:21
SPEAKER_03: I think this is the the point with kids too.
22:23
SPEAKER_03: If they understand why, yes, and I always want to know the why.
22:27
SPEAKER_03: Like if I read a sign and it doesn't it tells me to do something and I don't understand the why, I'm not gonna do it.
22:33
SPEAKER_03: Right.
22:33
SPEAKER_03: It's just my rebellious nature.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: In fact, you might be interested to know that my parenting philosophy one rebellious thing a day.
22:41
SPEAKER_03: Love it.
22:41
SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's good.
22:43
SPEAKER_03: Love it.
22:44
SPEAKER_03: Like for you or for the kids?
22:45
SPEAKER_03: For them, for all of us.
22:46
SPEAKER_03: Like it's allowed.
22:47
SPEAKER_03: You did your one rebellious thing for the day.
22:49
SPEAKER_03: Like crossing a crosswalk when it's not green.
22:52
SPEAKER_03: That's like, you know, like thinking for you.
22:56
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: But nothing illegal or hurtful to anyone else.
22:59
SPEAKER_03: Within reason.
23:00
SPEAKER_03: Anyway, what was your question?
23:02
SPEAKER_03: Why, why, why, why, why?
23:04
SPEAKER_03: So the chemicals, again, like they mimic hormones.
23:07
SPEAKER_03: That's one thing.
23:08
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
23:08
SPEAKER_03: They also cause DNA mutations.
23:10
SPEAKER_03: And so inside every cell, you have an engine or a brain, and that brain tells the cell that you're gonna turn into a skin cell, or you're gonna turn into a breast cell, you're gonna do this.
23:19
SPEAKER_03: And those messages get confused if the DNA is damaged.
23:24
SPEAKER_03: And so that can interfere with reproduction, it could cause immune dysfunction, it could cause allergies, it could cause brain fog, it could cause all kinds of things.
23:32
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, you have to think of like when we go away from mother nature, there's a backlash.
23:37
SPEAKER_03: There's some there will be some backlash.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: And so we can't use chemicals that are foreign to us without our body objecting because our bodies are way too brilliant to do that.
23:46
SPEAKER_03: So they interfere with cell signaling, important cell signaling is the easiest way for someone to remember it.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: So the more we think about moving back towards natural non-chemical-based products, the less likely we are to be setting our bodies up for a situation where our bodies can't do what they're meant to do.
24:17
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
24:17
SPEAKER_03: There's like this tipping point.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: You know, we all have this, you know, you can picture a bathtub with a drip.
24:23
SPEAKER_03: Every drip is an exposure, and pretty soon your bathtub overflows.
24:27
SPEAKER_03: And so there's a lack of tolerance at that point.
24:29
SPEAKER_03: And is that an autoimmune condition?
24:31
SPEAKER_03: Is that cancer?
24:32
SPEAKER_03: We don't, it's different for everyone, depending on your constitution, of course.
24:35
SPEAKER_03: So you want to keep that level in your tub really low so that when you do have a big exposure, it doesn't push you over the edge.
24:42
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
24:43
SPEAKER_03: So hopefully that helps explain a little bit.
24:45
SPEAKER_03: And you know, the chemicals, the the thing that's so fantastic about this conversation is we have so many options.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: You know, there think I always think back to my grandmother's house.
24:54
SPEAKER_03: She probably had shampoo, lotion, maybe lotion.
24:58
SPEAKER_03: Uh not much.
24:59
SPEAKER_03: A bar of soap.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: Maybe a bar of soap.
25:01
SPEAKER_03: And look at our look at our homes.
25:03
SPEAKER_03: So there are so many products that we're now really attached to, which is great.
25:08
SPEAKER_03: I love products, but there's so many great new products that are clean.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: And so we don't have to compromise anymore.
25:14
SPEAKER_03: And you know, we can teach our kids that too.
25:17
SPEAKER_03: Like department store stuff is usually really fragranced and not healthy at all, even though the marketing is really powerful.
25:23
SPEAKER_03: Like, for example, you know, the brand ASOP, I'm probably gonna get canceled here.
25:27
SPEAKER_03: Um I put it on my Yucca app, marginal.
25:31
SPEAKER_03: Right?
25:31
SPEAKER_03: And think about their marketing.
25:33
SPEAKER_03: It's so clean and it's so, you know, it's like what we all want, but the reality of it is not clean.
25:39
SPEAKER_03: So there are these great tools that will help you know if something is clean or not.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm so happy about that app.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: So here's something interesting.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: Um the what you're when we're talking about buy-in for adolescents and young adolescents, immature minds that don't have perspective, we're talking about future thinking, right?
25:58
SPEAKER_01: Do you have any like immediate symptoms that they might experience?
26:02
SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe fatigue and headaches.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
26:04
SPEAKER_03: Those are pretty good ones.
26:05
SPEAKER_03: I mean, the problem with a teenager is they have fatigue anyway.
26:08
SPEAKER_03: Yes, um uh brain fog.
26:10
SPEAKER_03: I always ask kids, do you have any brain fog?
26:12
SPEAKER_03: And they say, What's that?
26:13
SPEAKER_03: And they say, Well, it's either like your life is like a movie and you can't jump in, or you know you put something in your brain and you can't retrieve it.
26:21
SPEAKER_03: I have to do that.
26:21
SPEAKER_03: Those are two good examples of what brain fog might feel like because you only have one brain to compare yours to, so how do you know what brain fog is?
26:27
SPEAKER_03: Totally.
26:28
SPEAKER_03: So we're like inviting them to be sharp.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Is it right to assume on some level, like adult we both both um I was about to call you Bridger, but that is not your name.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: Both that's your daughter, that's my daughter.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Both Deb and I have preteen and teen daughters, right?
26:46
SPEAKER_00: So it's like hormones are alive and moods are I don't even know what the word is.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Is it is it fair to assume that those quote unquote symptoms of adolescence and puberty can be worse when there's more toxins?
27:05
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: That's a very good question.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: Or exacerbated, maybe that's the word I meant to use.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it doesn't help.
27:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I I can't say that I've actually seen any studies where PMS is aggravated.
27:15
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it is more hormones.
27:16
SPEAKER_03: So what I what I do know for sure is that puberty is happening sooner.
27:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
27:21
SPEAKER_03: So it's happening, you know.
27:22
SPEAKER_03: What's your take on that?
27:23
SPEAKER_03: It's hormones.
27:24
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's chemicals for sure.
27:26
SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, we didn't ever used to have this much exposure, and um our bodies are now menstruating earlier, up to two years earlier than they were in the past, and they're actually rewriting textbooks because this is common but not normal, and so they're putting it in textbooks as if it's normal.
27:41
SPEAKER_03: So I think it was like in 1950 um a period was the average age was 12, and now it's around nine.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I actually just read an article or maybe I listened that was saying that anxiety is is way higher right now because hormones are puberty setting on so much earlier, but their brains are not aligning up with this real thing of I'm able to have babies now.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: And you know, like the the actual when we think about puberty that that's what the body's messages is and message is, and the brain is so far away from that, not even crushing and how confusing that is, and that that's having a direct correlation with anxiety and depression.
28:23
SPEAKER_03: I think the anxiety personally, I think it's neuroinflammation.
28:27
SPEAKER_03: And I think you know what's up there is the pituitary.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: So the pituitary messages everything downstream with hormone signaling.
28:35
SPEAKER_03: So I think that's part of the puberty, early puberty, and then I think the neuro neuroinflammation is from um EMFs.
28:42
SPEAKER_03: That's a whole other show.
28:44
SPEAKER_03: Um what is it?
28:45
SPEAKER_03: Electromagnetic frequencies, so cell phones, computers, Wi-Fi routers, anything that's plugged into a Wi-Fi, that is again, there's no counterpart in nature for that.
28:54
SPEAKER_03: So our bodies can tolerate it to a certain point, and then there's a lack of tolerance after that.
28:59
SPEAKER_03: And that might be insomnia, it might be migraines, it might be visual changes, it could be all these things.
29:04
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna switch gears for a minute.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: Okay, thank you.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: This is this was a lot to chew on.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: As a working mom, no, you're you're you're giving us really important information.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Then we should be a little scared.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot to be a little scared about.
29:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I do feel like you know, the consumer is in charge here.
29:23
SPEAKER_03: That's the good part.
29:24
SPEAKER_03: That's our responsibility, right?
29:25
SPEAKER_03: That's where we have power as a consumer.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: And maybe before you ask this next question, for those listeners who are listening who are feeling very anxious, what would you say to them?
29:37
SPEAKER_00: What would you want them to know?
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Or what advice do you have for them?
29:40
SPEAKER_03: The listeners who are I think the first the first most important tool is food, honestly.
29:46
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, if this is daunting information, then maybe bite off the one thing, which is working on getting commercially grown produce out of your house if you can.
29:55
SPEAKER_03: Um not everybody has access to that, but if you can, that's it really helpful.
30:00
SPEAKER_03: And you know, food is medicine, and so the the more we rely on food to supply us with nutrients and fiber and all that, that the healthier we are and the more resilient we are to these exposures.
30:11
SPEAKER_03: So I think food is the number one thing to do, if you can start with.
30:15
SPEAKER_03: And then also on the environmentalworking group.org, ewg.org, they have a list of foods that are called the clean, um the dirty dozen and the clean fifteen.
30:26
SPEAKER_03: So if you live in a place where you don't have access to organic produce, there are 15 foods that are pretty clean grown commercially.
30:36
SPEAKER_03: That's great.
30:36
SPEAKER_03: So that's really helpful.
30:37
SPEAKER_03: Things like citrus and avocados and things like that that we don't really need to buy organically.
30:41
SPEAKER_03: That's right, because they have like a thick skin and they're usually not heavily sprayed crops.
30:47
SPEAKER_03: And then um the dirty dozen are things you just want to avoid if you can't find it organically.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:52
SPEAKER_03: Because of all the chemicals, and then it's really not worth eating a strawberry, for example, because of the number of chemicals that are on it.
30:58
SPEAKER_03: So something else.
30:59
SPEAKER_03: That's great.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, thank you.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: So, as a working mom that is in the helping people profession, which we know is full of passion and takes a lot of energy out of your heart and your brain.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Can you tell us a little bit about what that's been like for you and your journey as being a doctor before you were a mom and how that shifted, just what it's been like.
31:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I guess I always knew that I wanted to have kids.
31:27
SPEAKER_03: That was my husband and I never had the i what do we do here?
31:31
SPEAKER_03: It was like, yes, we're having kids, and yes, I went to med school, and yes, the day I signed the lease on my first clinic, I also got a positive pregnancy test.
31:42
SPEAKER_03: So I've never been able to separate the two.
31:44
SPEAKER_03: No, thank goodness.
31:46
SPEAKER_03: But um, I couldn't ever separate the two.
31:49
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I've always kind of been a working mom, and um it I had to get really efficient, you know, because I didn't have 40 hours a week to market and study and publish papers, whatever.
32:03
SPEAKER_03: So I had to get really efficient, and um I would say looking back, and then I had another one, and then I had another one, so I had three, and um I do have uh looking back, I mean I'm really grateful because obviously I just you know I'm so grateful to be a mom, and it's my first favorite job.
32:22
SPEAKER_03: And I will say it, you know, looking back, I wish I had met people like you when I was a new mom because it was pretty intense and pretty isolating to build a practice, learn how to do time management, learn how to get people well, have a good reputation, you know, be good on top of being effective.
32:41
SPEAKER_03: And so I would say that um, you know, looking back, I do have some regrets about that, and I don't know that moms never have regrets.
32:50
SPEAKER_03: I just wonder if you're a stay-at-home mom, you probably have regrets too.
32:53
SPEAKER_03: So I think it it goes along with the territory, and I I tell myself that all the time that you know I I've tried to be as present as possible.
32:59
SPEAKER_03: But there are times when I couldn't be present or I couldn't be home, or you know, my mind was in 95 other places, and so yeah, if I could if I could do it over, I would work a little harder on the balance piece, you know, just because I have a little bit of regret about that.
33:14
SPEAKER_03: But as I was I was telling you that my oldest daughter just unsolicited one day said, Mom, I'm really glad you worked.
33:20
SPEAKER_03: You know, she said, We had a great nanny and we loved her, and she was she really was way more fun than I would have been.
33:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, but also I do think the upside on some level is having my kids see me be successful, and you know, that is there's a good piece of that as well.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they saw you being you.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think your piece around regrets is so powerful, and I think a lot of our listeners can relate to that feeling.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: And yet when you're living your passion and your truths, that is actually one of the most incredible models we can give our kids.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: And so, and I think that there's so much wisdom that comes from both sides, like for a parent that is home and being there and and with the child experiences, and then with the child experiences when they don't always have a parent close by.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: And I just think there's so many ways to look at this.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: So thank you for sharing that.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're welcome.
34:12
SPEAKER_03: I know that you know, motherhood comes in all shapes and sizes, and so we all do it differently.
34:17
SPEAKER_03: And you know, I just think we all would love to do a little piece differently if we could, and that's probably totally normal.
34:23
SPEAKER_03: Totally normal.
34:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yes.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what when so Deb and I are regularly saying to each other and to our listeners that there's nothing we talk about with our clients that we're not doing ourselves, right?
34:39
SPEAKER_00: That like really, really is just all-time equalizer as motherhood, right?
34:45
SPEAKER_00: We all feel the pain of our kids' pain, right?
34:48
SPEAKER_00: And we all feel the waves of stress, and just you know, that all of us have to have those practices for mental psychological well-being.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: What are the practices that you have developed over the years as a naturopathic doctor that you have taught to taught talked to your patients about that you find are non-negotiable for you in your life?
35:14
SPEAKER_03: Definitely yoga.
35:15
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
35:16
SPEAKER_03: Definitely 30 years of practicing yoga.
35:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, for me, I know not everyone loves it, but I don't know what I would have done without it.
35:25
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
35:25
SPEAKER_03: And then eating well, honestly, I just feel like I run pretty hard and I don't think I could have done that without the right fuel.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
35:34
SPEAKER_03: And so eating well, cooking has been a big deal.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: And I, you know, I have gotten really efficient at cooking great meals quickly or lots of them all at once so that you have leftovers, so you have healthy, healthy food that way.
35:46
SPEAKER_03: Is that kind of what you're asking?
35:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just sort of wondering, you know, what do you take from your work back into your own life?
35:53
SPEAKER_00: I guess is another way of asking the question.
35:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, definitely, you know, because I'm a naturopath, I have always revered the earth.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: And so I grow food as much as I possibly can, and I spend as much time outside as I can.
36:07
SPEAKER_03: So hiking, biking, skiing, running, whatever.
36:09
SPEAKER_03: Just I feel like that for all humans is somewhat of a um, I just lost my word, but um it's a balancer.
36:19
SPEAKER_03: So there's this earth energy that we are getting further and further away from, and we're going to a frequency that is very unnatural for us, which is cell phones and Wi-Fi.
36:29
SPEAKER_03: So um, you know, getting outside as much as possible to rebalance that kind of energy and getting our kids outside, I think, is also helpful because they're a lot more fun to be around when they're outside.
36:40
SPEAKER_03: Hallelujah.
36:41
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Barefoot, ideally.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: That's actually one of my go-to's.
36:46
SPEAKER_01: I stand barefoot on the grass at the end of the day or first thing in the morning, and I just need to like feel my roots go in.
36:54
SPEAKER_01: And it does so much for me.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: It does.
36:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's magic.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: You're earthing.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm a way earthing.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: I love that idea of coming back.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we know this intellectually, but really that idea of coming back to nature, coming back to what is natural, and in this world where we're being so pulled in all these directions that are, you know, more quote unquote synthetic or chemical or um man-made, right?
37:18
SPEAKER_00: What it's like to really come back to some things that we can do to reconnect ourselves with like simplicity and earth.
37:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think it's everywhere.
37:27
SPEAKER_03: I think about the conventional medical model, it's a good way to look at this.
37:30
SPEAKER_03: Like it's more technology, less health.
37:33
SPEAKER_03: Whereas we we know like what we can do to heal someone with uh, let's say an autoimmune condition comes from a very natural, simple place.
37:42
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have to be um a sophisticated laser or treatment or you know, the answers are there.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: You said something early on about our vital force.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: And you love this topic.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: I really do, and I kind of want to close on it because I what I heard you say, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that the body wants to heal and that when we tune into that vital force, it's like and what I think your medicine really relies on is looking for the health.
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SPEAKER_01: And that when we look for the health, you know, then we can find the obstacles, but we have to align with that health in order to move things out of the way.
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SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that is such a metaphor for in like everything.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah, the body wants to heal no matter what.
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SPEAKER_03: We don't have to teach it anything.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So if you're moving, if you're sleeping, if you're eating, there's a better chance you can heal than if you're not doing any of the things that support those healthy habits.
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SPEAKER_03: I love that.
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SPEAKER_03: You don't have to teach it anything.
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SPEAKER_03: No, it's so great.
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SPEAKER_03: One of the best things that I've witnessed over 25 years, it's like, wow, your body did that?
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, like, motherhood is the perfect example.
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SPEAKER_03: Like one one, you don't have to think about growing a baby.
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SPEAKER_03: You if you didn't think, you didn't notice that your waistline was changing, you wouldn't know you were pregnant.
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SPEAKER_03: You're growing a human.
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SPEAKER_03: It's just programming.
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SPEAKER_03: It's just doing it.
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SPEAKER_03: So our body's the same way for healing.
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SPEAKER_03: And it's it is super fascinating.
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SPEAKER_03: I revere this this ability to watch this every day, it's so fascinating.
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SPEAKER_03: It's like, wow.
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SPEAKER_03: What an honor.
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SPEAKER_01: You are doing such good work in the world.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you, thank you for spreading your love and your light and sharing your stories with us.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh and so much information.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: A couple logistical questions for our listener.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, who is your book?
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SPEAKER_03: Who is the right reader for your book?
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SPEAKER_03: Who should go find your book?
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SPEAKER_03: Actually, anyone.
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SPEAKER_03: So we were talking about moms having this information, even though they might be done having pregnancies, they still have children.
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SPEAKER_03: And um your your family's health will benefit by knowing what's in this book.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a how-to guide, basically, how to detox, how to avoid exposure, how to eliminate exposures, making sure all the five pathways of elimination are open.
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SPEAKER_03: Um so ideally I wrote this book for young women that are pre-conception.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: And now I probably will write one about sperm health because it's declining 40% over the last 50 or 60 years.
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SPEAKER_03: So I feel like I don't want to just have women read it because it really is for everyone.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: But the title really is for women that are in their fertile years before they're gonna have babies.
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SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_03: And where can people find your book?
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SPEAKER_03: Amazon.
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SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
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SPEAKER_03: You can type in the preconception cleanse and Mary Shackleton and it'll come right up.
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SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Mary, you have an Instagram presence.
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SPEAKER_00: What's your Instagram handle?
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SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Mary Shackleton.
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SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Mary Shackleton.
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SPEAKER_00: And if people wanted to find you to work with you, either do you work with people who are not local to Boulder as well.
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SPEAKER_03: How can people find you?
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SPEAKER_03: Well, you probably could.
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SPEAKER_03: The easiest way might be to go through Instagram, or you could find my clinic, which is holisticacare.com.
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SPEAKER_03: And we'll put all that in the show notes.
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SPEAKER_03: That's great.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, thank you for having me.
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SPEAKER_03: This is fun.
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SPEAKER_03: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: This is a fun way to spend our working on.
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SPEAKER_00: I bet it is.
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SPEAKER_00: I bet.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Have a great day.
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