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Bengals Booth Podcast: Chance On Me · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody.
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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Du take a chance on the addition as the Bengals
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Speaker 2: turn to former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco as they
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Speaker 2: head to Green Bay to face the Packers. Coming up,
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Speaker 2: we'll hear from players and coaches on their new quarterback
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Speaker 2: and discuss why the Bengals front office made the move.
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Speaker 2: Now plus one on one conversations with Kevin Harlan from CBS,
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Speaker 2: Bengals defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery, who spent nine years
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Speaker 2: in Green Bay, and in this week's No The Faux segment,
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Speaker 2: we'll talk to the voice of the Packers.
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Speaker 1: Wayne Lairvie.
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Speaker 2: by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest
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Speaker 2: thing since an attempted on side punt. If you watched
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Speaker 2: last week's game against Detroit, something very confusing happened with
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Speaker 2: less than two minutes to go. After Jake Browning was
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Speaker 2: tackled in the end zone for a safety, the Bengals
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Speaker 2: were required to do a free kick from their own twenty.
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Speaker 2: Punter Ryan Rico handled it, and here's what you heard
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Speaker 2: on TV.
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Speaker 3: A sack safety for the Lions.
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Speaker 4: They have pushed their lead to thirteen.
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Speaker 5: And now the high pooch free kick and the fair
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Speaker 5: catch call.
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Speaker 6: For and made by Amaran Saint.
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Speaker 5: Brown at the forty six yard Libel.
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Speaker 2: So the ball was at the forty six but there
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Speaker 2: was a penalty on the play that advanced it thirty
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Speaker 2: six yards.
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Speaker 6: It'll be the receiving team's ball half the distance from
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Speaker 6: the spot of the kick at the ten yard line.
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Speaker 3: First down, and there is an unsportsmanlike conduct on the
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Speaker 3: free kick, and the Lions are going to have it
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Speaker 3: well into the red zone.
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Speaker 2: So what the heck happened? Well, believe it or not,
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Speaker 2: the Bengals tried an onside punt. We think of onside
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Speaker 2: kicks as bouncing balls kicked off a tee where you're
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Speaker 2: hoping for a high hop or a muff by the
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Speaker 2: other team, but it is legal after a safety to
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Speaker 2: onside punt. In fact, when Don Shula was the coach
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Speaker 2: of the Dolphins, Miami pulled one off against the Bengals
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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one. Website ranks it as the thirty
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Speaker 2: sixth the greatest play in Dolphins history. The rules have
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Speaker 2: changed since then, after the league adopted the dynamic kickoff
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Speaker 2: rule last year. Teams now have to alert opponents when
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Speaker 2: they are attempting an on side kick, and that still
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Speaker 2: applies after a safety, so that element of surprise was gone,
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Speaker 2: but you can still try to the opponent with how
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Speaker 2: you do it. What the Bengals were trying to do
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Speaker 2: last week is have punter Ryan Rico kick the ball
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Speaker 2: straight up in the air and hope that somebody who
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Speaker 2: isn't used to fielding it failed to make the catch,
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Speaker 2: but Rico punted the ball a bit too far. Under
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Speaker 2: the current rules, an on side kick has to land
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Speaker 2: in the fifteen yard setup zone. In this case, that
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Speaker 2: was between the thirty and forty five yard lines. Rico's
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Speaker 2: kick went to the forty six, one yard too far.
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Speaker 2: The penalty for an on sidekick that goes untouched beyond
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Speaker 2: the setup zone is a loss of fifteen yards and
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Speaker 2: the receiving team gets the ball. Since a free kick
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Speaker 2: after a safety takes place at the twenty, it became
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Speaker 2: a half the distance penalty and the Lions got the
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Speaker 2: ball at the ten. It's probably the most confusing thing
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Speaker 2: I've seen in fifteen years as the Bengals announcer, and
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Speaker 2: had the angles pulled off an on side punt, it
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Speaker 2: would have been one of the coolest things. Now, let's
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Speaker 2: get to this week's big news. In the fourth quarter
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Speaker 2: of last week's game, Jake Browning threw three touchdown passes,
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Speaker 2: but it was clear in his postgame news conference that
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Speaker 2: Jake's confidence had not been restored.
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Speaker 7: I need to play better and there's literally no hiding
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Speaker 7: from that. And I don't care if every person on
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Speaker 7: the team says they need to play better. It starts
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Speaker 7: with me playing better at the quarterback position and not
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Speaker 7: putting our team in difficult situations. And there's no hiding
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Speaker 7: from that. So on me, I needed to stop throwing interceptions.
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Speaker 2: Jake proved two years ago that he can play in
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Speaker 2: the NFL, but for whatever reason, he wasn't playing well
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Speaker 2: this year and it was getting hard to stick with
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Speaker 2: him in hopes of that changing soon, so the Bengals
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Speaker 2: made an aggressive move by trading for eighteen year veteran
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, who started against the Bengals in Week one.
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Speaker 2: Here's what Joe Burrow said about him before that game.
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Speaker 8: I think he throws it better than number one a
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Speaker 8: lot of people give him credit for, and I think
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Speaker 8: he's one of the more natural throws of the football
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Speaker 8: that I've ever seen. You know, he can spin it
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Speaker 8: with the best of them. He's got one of the
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Speaker 8: stronger signs of all time. So he's going to be
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Speaker 8: able to put the ball when and where he wants
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Speaker 8: to put it.
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Speaker 2: The Bengals saw that an opening day, as Flacco threw
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Speaker 2: for two hundred and ninety yards, and while he threw
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Speaker 2: a pair of interceptions, they were both off the hands
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Speaker 2: of his receivers. In fact, Cleveland had four drops in all.
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Speaker 5: On first and goal from the five, Flacco, looking to pass,
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Speaker 5: his throw caught in the middle of the end zone
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Speaker 5: by Cedric Tilman for at cleveland go ahead touchdown.
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Speaker 6: Joe Flacco gives the old fish pump have to throwing
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Speaker 6: that pass in the middle of the field, realizing that
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Speaker 6: his receiver caught it for the touchdown. Good route run
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Speaker 6: by Cedric Tilman. Flacco pat his eyes on him the
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Speaker 6: whole way, a delibered a strike.
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Speaker 2: Flacco started four games for the Brown this year, and
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Speaker 2: three weeks ago he beat the team he'll face this Sunday,
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Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. Here's Zach Taylor on adding the
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Speaker 2: former Super Bowl MVP.
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Speaker 9: Played him a lot, watched him a lot, brings great
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Speaker 9: great experience, great leadership. His style fits our style of
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Speaker 9: play too, so excited to get him out there. We'll
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Speaker 9: start him this week. So he's gonna take all the reps,
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Speaker 9: get ready to go. Already spent a lot of time
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Speaker 9: meeting with us, getting at the speed, So feel really
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Speaker 9: good about where he's at. I mean, it's different than
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Speaker 9: a young quarterback coming in trying to learn a system
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Speaker 9: and understand what a defense is trying to do to
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Speaker 9: challenge you. No that, but he's played Green Bay this year,
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Speaker 9: so he's already gone through a week of prep. So
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Speaker 9: that's the nice part. Is now the communication and the
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Speaker 9: weekly rhythm is maybe different, unique, but he's already prepared
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Speaker 9: for this opponent, so he gets a chance to refresh
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Speaker 9: himself on that well at the same time, just learning
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Speaker 9: our system and our terminology and our verbiage and how
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Speaker 9: we operate b also knowing that he's playing now. He
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Speaker 9: hasn't played there this year, and so the crowd, noise
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Speaker 9: and all that stuff's different, but at least he's got
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Speaker 9: some experience pointing at them.
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Speaker 10: He's a great.
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Speaker 9: Passer, and again, we've got to expand all areas of
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Speaker 9: our offense to be better, to be able to efficient
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Speaker 9: run the football, protect all that.
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Speaker 1: Kind of stuff.
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Speaker 9: But the number one trait you're looking for is a
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Speaker 9: guy that can operate your system into the football and
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Speaker 9: Joe has always been a tremendous passer in this league
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Speaker 9: and have seen it, and so now we got treminous
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Speaker 9: weapons that he can play around, and so I'm excited
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Speaker 9: to Watchington.
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Speaker 2: The Browns have turned a rookie quarterback, Dylan Gabriel, so
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Speaker 2: they were willing to trade Flacco in order to move
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Speaker 2: up in next year's draft. The Bengals gave up a
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Speaker 2: fifth round pick and got Flacco plus a sixth round
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Speaker 2: pick in return. But why do the Bengals make this
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Speaker 2: move now? Well, just look at the AFC North. The
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Speaker 2: Steelers are three and one, but the jury is still
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Speaker 2: out on just how good Pittsburgh really is. The Ravens
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Speaker 2: are one in four with devastating injuries, and the Browns
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Speaker 2: are also one in four in rebuilding mode. It might
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Speaker 2: not take ten wins to capture the division this year.
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Speaker 2: The Bengals are two and three and after playing at
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Speaker 2: Green Bay this week, have three straight home games against
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Speaker 2: the Steelers, Jets, and Bears. They are still very much
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Speaker 2: alive with the hope of getting Joe Burrow back in December.
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Speaker 2: Here are Orlando Brown and Chase Brown on the front
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Speaker 2: office taking action.
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Speaker 11: I think it's, you know, more so a message too
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Speaker 11: from the front office and ownership, you know, letting the
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Speaker 11: world know that you know that this is important to us,
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Speaker 11: and we do see that, we know that, and I
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Speaker 11: imagine Joe Burrow will be back to at some point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: I think it shows that they want to win and
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Speaker 12: winning as a priority, and yeah, I think so. I
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Speaker 12: think it shows their commitment to this locker room, the
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Speaker 12: coaching staff, and how much they believe in this team.
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Speaker 2: Flacco has two former teammates on the Bengals roster, dating
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Speaker 2: back to the twenty nineteen Denver Broncos, tight end Noah
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Speaker 2: Fant and offensive lineman Dalton Reisner. Asked Reisner if Flacco
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Speaker 2: can get up to speed in four days of practice
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Speaker 2: with the Bengals.
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Speaker 1: I do believe that he can do that.
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Speaker 4: He is a sixteen year I don't want to out
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Speaker 4: speak sixteen or seventeen year vet in this league. I
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Speaker 4: think he's fifty nine years old, right, something like that,
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Speaker 4: And I'm just kidding, he's like forty regardless. He's a
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Speaker 4: guy that's gonna come in here and be a VET
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Speaker 4: and know how to do that, and he's going to
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Speaker 4: be on top of his p's and q's.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna learn the offense.
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Speaker 4: He's about to go out there and command it and
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Speaker 4: put his best foot forward to help us win.
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine there has ever been a quarterback to
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Speaker 2: beat the same opponent twice in three weeks while playing
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Speaker 2: for two different teams. But that's what Flacco will try
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Speaker 2: to do on Sunday. I talked about that and much
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Speaker 2: more with one of the guys who will call the
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Speaker 2: game on CBS my son Sam has excellent taste in broadcasters,
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Speaker 2: and his favorite is not his dad. It's our guest
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Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan, who will be on the mic for CBS
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Speaker 2: this week. Kevin, we got quite the plot twist this
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Speaker 2: week with the Bengals acquisition of Joe Flacco having a
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati assignment this week. What was your reaction?
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Speaker 10: Stunned? But it makes sense. He knows the division. He
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Speaker 10: is a quarterback who has seen everything. He's reached the
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Speaker 10: highest of highs. He's had some difficult moments, but he
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Speaker 10: continues to go on. You know, Dan, I thought at
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Speaker 10: one time that after he had signed the big contract
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Speaker 10: with Baltimore and had won the Super Bowl, and I
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Speaker 10: know he's a family man and all that, and I thought,
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Speaker 10: you know, I could see him finding other priorities in life.
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Speaker 10: I may be wrong in this assumption. And while we've
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Speaker 10: interviewed him over the years, I haven't seen him much recently.
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Speaker 10: I think his love for the game, which has always
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Speaker 10: been there, it kind of feels like it's grown the
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Speaker 10: older he's gotten and the more years he's piled up
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Speaker 10: on his resume. Is being an NFL quarterback, He's good
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Speaker 10: at it. He's a great locker room influence, and if
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Speaker 10: any team was ready to make a move, it was
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Speaker 10: probably yours. Poor Jake was was clearly was struggling, and
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Speaker 10: this is maybe shot in the arm Joe gets back
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Speaker 10: in December that this team needs. I mean, they've got
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Speaker 10: the parts. We all know that. See Lucas Patrick is
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Speaker 10: now in that window where he can begin to practice
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Speaker 10: and be good to get him back down the road,
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Speaker 10: if not this weekend. But I guess my point is
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Speaker 10: is I was thrilled they made him move. They're not
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Speaker 10: waving the white flag on the season, not that they
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Speaker 10: were thinking of it anyway, but this clearly shows, hey,
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Speaker 10: we're in it, We've got the parts. Let's let's let's
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Speaker 10: keep let's keep going. We're only two and three. It's
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Speaker 10: not like we're zero in five, right, I mean they're
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Speaker 10: two and three. They're very in a division which has
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Speaker 10: no Lamar for a while. We don't know how long
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Speaker 10: that will be. You never know Pittsburgh's going to give you,
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Speaker 10: and Cleveland continues to find their way. Why not. I'm
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Speaker 10: it shows aggression and I think every fan would appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: Let me take it a step further. Kansas City is
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Speaker 2: two and three and playing the Lions this week. The Texans,
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Speaker 2: with their division titles the last couple of years or
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Speaker 2: two and three, they go to Seattle this week. The
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Speaker 2: AFC in general appears to be wide open, doesn't it.
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Speaker 10: I agree, Dan, you're on it, and I I would
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Speaker 10: say that that these are, but that's it's a week
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Speaker 10: to week league, and it's clearly a year to year league,
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Speaker 10: and teams you think have got every answer at every
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Speaker 10: position in every way are stumbling a bit. And now
12:37
Speaker 10: we see that how strong front offices and personnel departments
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Speaker 10: can be in trying to, you know, grab a stronger
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Speaker 10: hold of the rudder. And clearly the Bengals are doing that.
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Speaker 10: Other teams are trying to find their way. But it's
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Speaker 10: not what we thought, right. We didn't figure two and
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Speaker 10: three Kansas City. We didn't figure a losing record with Baltimore,
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Speaker 10: you know, five weeks in. But we're seeing it, and
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Speaker 10: I think that it just shows you that in this
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Speaker 10: league you need you need ingenuity, clearly, because you've got
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Speaker 10: to handle problems every single day of practice and every week.
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Speaker 10: In this league, you've got to look ahead and you've
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Speaker 10: got to make sure that you're making the right moves
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Speaker 10: not for just now, but also you know, three weeks
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Speaker 10: from now, but know that that you can never give up.
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Speaker 10: And how many times, and you've called the league for decades,
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Speaker 10: how many times have we gotten into the week fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
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Speaker 10: eighteen world And teams that were maybe at the beginning
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Speaker 10: of the year four and eight or three and five
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Speaker 10: or whatever are now like right there with the win,
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Speaker 10: can get in the playoffs and make a noise that
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Speaker 10: can be resounding. So I feel like no team is out,
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Speaker 10: But I would backpedal here a bit and say I
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Speaker 10: appreciate what a team like the Bengals have done. Now, listen,
13:52
Speaker 10: there are a lot of guys out there, probably with
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Speaker 10: different kind of price points on getting adult in or
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Speaker 10: getting you know, a backup this team or that team,
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Speaker 10: And we all heard the names over the last couple
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Speaker 10: of days. If they were so inclined to look for
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Speaker 10: a punch, a burst, a spark on offense, Green Bay
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Speaker 10: did it with Michael Parsons. I'm not saying that Flacco's
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Speaker 10: going to have that same kind of kind of movement,
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Speaker 10: but listen, he clearly brings a different dimension to that
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Speaker 10: position with the guy that clearly still wants to play.
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Speaker 10: So I applaud with the Bengals have done. And I
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Speaker 10: love that in the middle of a season, when you
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Speaker 10: think you've got everything just kind of proportioned the right way,
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Speaker 10: this happens, or Parsons is traded. And here we have
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Speaker 10: those kind of teams, Green Bay and Cincinnati meeting this
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Speaker 10: week and after making big early season moves to their roster.
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Speaker 10: It's so intriguing to me in so many ways.
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Speaker 2: We're visiting with Kevin Harlan Choe Flacco's NFL debut is
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Speaker 2: on opening Day two thousand and eight against the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember seeing look at the big man Ron.
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Speaker 10: Well, now that you've said yes, I do, I do
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Speaker 10: remember that. And you know he is His career speaks
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Speaker 10: for itself, not in terms of legendary Hall of Fame status,
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Speaker 10: but he's won a Super Bowl, He's led winning teams,
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Speaker 10: he's proven he can play in this league. He surprised
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Speaker 10: people this stage of his career what he can still do.
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Speaker 10: He's incredibly engaged and and and I think in that
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Speaker 10: locker room, and this is again nothing against who has
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Speaker 10: been starting for Joe, but you're always you know, it's
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Speaker 10: never time to bail. It's never time to you know,
15:38
Speaker 10: every man for himself, right, it's they are right in
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Speaker 10: it in a division that is clearly within reach. And this,
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Speaker 10: this is the kind of move that I applaud and love.
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Speaker 10: But going back to the un Flacco I worked with,
15:52
Speaker 10: I worked at the time, not with Solomon Wilcotts you
15:55
Speaker 10: know who you guys know well there, but also with
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Speaker 10: with Rich and he went to Delaware. So I remember
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Speaker 10: those meetings, specifically with a young Joe Flacco Dan in
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Speaker 10: those production meetings with the Ravens, and and how he
16:12
Speaker 10: looked at Rich thinking, man, if I could only, if
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Speaker 10: I could only have a career like rich gannon super
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Speaker 10: Bowl player, MVP in the league, played deep into his thirties,
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Speaker 10: had some great runs and and and not that he
16:26
Speaker 10: didn't think he could do it, but he was a
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Speaker 10: young player at the time. And here we have him
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Speaker 10: and and he plays then and here all these years later,
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Speaker 10: here he is like he's been given the keys here
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Speaker 10: to the Ferrari. Right, I'm gonna put the key in
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Speaker 10: and I'm gonna I'm gonna feel that engine roar. He's
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Speaker 10: got one side, Jase, He's got Higgins on the other
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Speaker 10: he's got. He's got some real playmakers on that team.
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Speaker 10: It's gonna be fun, very fun.
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Speaker 2: There might be a Ferrari commercial in your future based
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Speaker 2: on that engine.
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Speaker 10: Wrapping up, let's think of any other I should My
17:00
Speaker 10: son in law was a Ford dealer. I probably should
17:02
Speaker 10: have s at Ford. Anyway. The point is is that
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Speaker 10: there's a new guy with the hands on the wheel,
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Speaker 10: and that's that's pretty exciting. I think at this stage
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Speaker 10: of the year.
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Speaker 2: Let's discuss the Packers. They opened the season with dominant
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Speaker 2: wins over Detroit and Washington. One of their offensive lineman said,
17:17
Speaker 2: we might go undefeated this year, and then they lost
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Speaker 2: to Cleveland in Week three. What is your view of
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Speaker 2: the Packers and the problems they present for Cincinnati this week?
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Speaker 10: So I do their preseason game, so I've seen him
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Speaker 10: throughout the summer, and this is Free Parsons Arrival, and
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Speaker 10: I thought there were a strong team then and the
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Speaker 10: general manager came out Dan and he said of the Packers,
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Speaker 10: and he said, he said, we've got to start thinking
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Speaker 10: in terms of championships and not just winning records and
17:47
Speaker 10: getting into the playoff. We need to think now in
17:50
Speaker 10: terms of championships. And here is an organization that has
17:53
Speaker 10: been graced with two straight Hall of Fame quarterbacks and
17:56
Speaker 10: Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, and they really are high
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Speaker 10: on on Jordan Love, their quarterback now, who is playing well.
18:04
Speaker 10: But for whatever reason, they took on a red hot
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Speaker 10: Dallas team and they faced one of the great defenses
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Speaker 10: in the league of Cleveland. We know Cleveland's got the defense,
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Speaker 10: and they had the Packers number, and probably a loss
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Speaker 10: like that early in the season was good for them
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Speaker 10: to not think, you know, hey, I read what the
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Speaker 10: lineman said, and he was and I'm sure they're going,
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Speaker 10: oh my god, don't talk again. Please, don't open your mouth.
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Speaker 10: You cannot in this league. It is such an unforgiving league.
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Speaker 10: And these are pros on the other end, regardless of
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Speaker 10: what record or history says. These are prideful men, and
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Speaker 10: they come out every day feeling like I'm going to
18:42
Speaker 10: be better today than I was yesterday and better tomorrow
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Speaker 10: than I was today. And they're always looking to improve.
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Speaker 10: And the sky in the eye never lies. The game
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Speaker 10: is on tape, their performance is there. There is no
18:54
Speaker 10: you know, like exhaling in this league, not until the
18:56
Speaker 10: season has come to a close So I knew that
18:59
Speaker 10: when he said that, uh oh and again and Miles
19:02
Speaker 10: Gareth that defense those players, and it was it was troublesome,
19:06
Speaker 10: and they lost a double digit lead and they lost
19:08
Speaker 10: the game. So the Packers come into this game off
19:11
Speaker 10: of by you know, and you can do the analytics
19:14
Speaker 10: and what teams have done, you know, pre by post,
19:16
Speaker 10: by whatever. I think it's it'll be a lot for
19:22
Speaker 10: any team to handle it alone the Bengals. But now
19:24
Speaker 10: the Bengals have got their own juice, they got their
19:26
Speaker 10: own spark, and I think they're gonna feel really good
19:28
Speaker 10: about what they bring in. And they're two and three,
19:31
Speaker 10: and I think that that will carry a lot of weight.
19:34
Speaker 10: So in this league, trying to guess, I don't know
19:36
Speaker 10: how these guys and all we do is see betting this,
19:38
Speaker 10: betting that red level. I don't know how we know
19:41
Speaker 10: everything we can, like you know everything about this game.
19:45
Speaker 10: I know, I look at all the numbers. I don't
19:47
Speaker 10: know how people can sit there and maybe look at
19:49
Speaker 10: a casualt even if they feel they know, can figure
19:52
Speaker 10: out what's gonna happen instead of line in these games,
19:54
Speaker 10: it's impossible. You never know, You never know in this league,
19:59
Speaker 10: and that's it's the beauty of the league. And I truly,
20:02
Speaker 10: even as much as you might think the Packers have
20:04
Speaker 10: got the answer, you never know. And that's that's the
20:08
Speaker 10: beauty of the game. Coming up Sunday at lambeau Field.
20:11
Speaker 2: Did the Micah Parsons trade change your view of the Packers'
20:14
Speaker 2: ability to win a Super Bowl title?
20:16
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's stunned the league because he's a
20:19
Speaker 10: fifth year player at the very height of his powers
20:22
Speaker 10: and is dominant and is forceful. A one man guy
20:26
Speaker 10: is you're going to find on any defensive unit in
20:28
Speaker 10: the league. Like he changes a game. Offenses now tilt
20:32
Speaker 10: toward ever you know, wherever he's going to be with
20:34
Speaker 10: extra blockers, going away with the play call and checking
20:37
Speaker 10: it off at the line. I think he changes how
20:41
Speaker 10: play to play, not just series the series or game
20:44
Speaker 10: to game, Like wherever he lines up, now that that's
20:47
Speaker 10: a red flag. And you've got a great guy that
20:48
Speaker 10: can decipher that stuff in Flaccu, who just played the
20:52
Speaker 10: Packers and won a couple of weeks ago for Cleveland.
20:55
Speaker 10: Like so like he knows the recipe right, and so
20:59
Speaker 10: he knows this this defense. But I did think that
21:02
Speaker 10: Parsons could be like the missing ingredient. They came in
21:06
Speaker 10: Dan to the preseason wanting to strengthen their pass rush,
21:11
Speaker 10: weren't necessarily satisfied with how they left camp in what
21:15
Speaker 10: they were gonna again present and made the move after camp.
21:18
Speaker 10: So he and he's had a dynamite influence. He's one
21:23
Speaker 10: of the top quarterback pressure guys in the league. He
21:26
Speaker 10: changes the plays, he's everything they want. I think he's
21:29
Speaker 10: been a great presence in the locker room. The coach
21:32
Speaker 10: the other day just went on and Matt Lafleur went
21:34
Speaker 10: on and on about the presence and what he's brought
21:37
Speaker 10: and the confidency brings the rest of that defense. It
21:40
Speaker 10: helps other positions by just being on the field and
21:43
Speaker 10: the attention he draws. So but yeah, I mean, you
21:47
Speaker 10: make a move like that, it's got to be. That
21:50
Speaker 10: was an earthquake type move. That was a resounding Hey,
21:54
Speaker 10: we are in it to win it. Like our GM
21:55
Speaker 10: said earlier before camp began, we're thinking in terms of
21:59
Speaker 10: championships and not just getting through the division and sneaking
22:02
Speaker 10: into the playoffs. We are looking for the very top
22:05
Speaker 10: and by getting a guy like Parsons, they send the
22:07
Speaker 10: signal to the players into the league that that's exactly
22:10
Speaker 10: where they're aiming.
22:11
Speaker 2: We're visiting with Kevin Harlan. For those who don't know,
22:14
Speaker 2: your dad was an executive with the Green Bay Packers.
22:16
Speaker 2: You spent part of your childhood in Green Bay. What
22:19
Speaker 2: are some of your fondest memories about being around lambeau
22:22
Speaker 2: Field as a kid.
22:24
Speaker 10: I've got one run off the bet that I've told
22:25
Speaker 10: a couple of times already this week. When I was
22:27
Speaker 10: a ball boy for the Packers in the early seventies,
22:30
Speaker 10: and we'd have our lunch break during training camp, I
22:34
Speaker 10: would sneak up the stairs into the press box at
22:38
Speaker 10: lambeau Field, the old lambeau Field, and go in the
22:42
Speaker 10: break the broadcast booth of the radio network, it didn't
22:46
Speaker 10: matter which close the door, and do imaginary games in
22:50
Speaker 10: my head. When I was like eleven and twelve years old.
22:54
Speaker 10: And then when I got to actually broadcast when I
22:55
Speaker 10: was thirteen fourteen years old at our high school radio station,
22:59
Speaker 10: would go on there even more and practice these imaginary
23:02
Speaker 10: games in lambeau Field in a broadcast booth onto an
23:06
Speaker 10: empty field, and a and not a soul could be
23:09
Speaker 10: seen in the Bowl of lambeau Field, and that's where
23:12
Speaker 10: I would do these imaginary games out loud where no
23:15
Speaker 10: one could hear me, and I did that for many years,
23:18
Speaker 10: would go up there. I'm sure that had there been
23:20
Speaker 10: a cleaning person up there, someone that was getting something
23:23
Speaker 10: in the press box would maybe listing what's what's going
23:27
Speaker 10: on there? Like who? And then it never happened. I
23:31
Speaker 10: was never caught, but it would always sneak in and
23:34
Speaker 10: get in and shut the door and do these games
23:37
Speaker 10: for like a half hour and just and here I
23:39
Speaker 10: was eleven, twelve years old broadcasting in lambeau Field. And
23:43
Speaker 10: then as as luck would have it, and as the
23:47
Speaker 10: great fortune that has been bestowed upon my career would
23:50
Speaker 10: would lead me to do games and Lambeau eventually do
23:54
Speaker 10: their preseason games as I've done since two thousand and three,
23:57
Speaker 10: done multiple championship games there, Monday night football games, and
24:03
Speaker 10: a lot of Fox and CBS games there. So I'm
24:06
Speaker 10: living out a dream every time I'm in that stadium
24:08
Speaker 10: doing a game. And now I've got my family in
24:10
Speaker 10: the seats right below me. W're season ticket holders. And
24:16
Speaker 10: my dad was there for thirty seven years, and he
24:19
Speaker 10: was the one who hired, Holmgren hired Ron Wolf, was
24:24
Speaker 10: in the room when they made the trade to get FARV,
24:26
Speaker 10: made the deal to sign Reggie White, drafted Rogers hired
24:31
Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy. So he was there, Dan hiring two Hall
24:36
Speaker 10: of Fame Super Bowl winning gms, two Super Bowl winning coaches,
24:42
Speaker 10: and two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. He was in that
24:46
Speaker 10: room when those decisions were made, and as president and CEO,
24:50
Speaker 10: the buck always stopped with him. So you could have
24:52
Speaker 10: a clever GM or coach or whatever personnel guy say hey,
24:56
Speaker 10: we should do this, but at the end of the day,
24:58
Speaker 10: he had to a prove it, and he did. And
25:02
Speaker 10: so we're most and he's still alive. He's eighty nine.
25:04
Speaker 10: My mom is eighty seven. They live in Green Bay,
25:07
Speaker 10: is a five minute drive from lambeau Field. So they're
25:10
Speaker 10: very much with it. By the grace of God, their
25:14
Speaker 10: health is good enough. They still get it, and they
25:16
Speaker 10: watch games and they enjoy it like a lot of
25:18
Speaker 10: fans do.
25:20
Speaker 2: One of the things I admire about you is that
25:22
Speaker 2: you don't rest on your laurels. Are you on a
25:24
Speaker 2: never ending quest to improve as a sports broadcast?
25:29
Speaker 10: Well, like you, we have a same I think spirit
25:33
Speaker 10: in this business, dan Is, your accolades would say that
25:37
Speaker 10: that if you do rest and exhale, there are younger
25:41
Speaker 10: broadcasters that are just salivating to be in our seats.
25:45
Speaker 10: Right is the voice of a team. You're a voice
25:47
Speaker 10: of a major college and an NFL team. There are
25:50
Speaker 10: not many of those guys in the business. You're one
25:52
Speaker 10: of them and have done it so well for so
25:54
Speaker 10: many years. And so I never take this job lightly.
25:58
Speaker 10: And I think it goes back because it's not that
26:01
Speaker 10: we're scared or we're frightened about what might be. It's
26:04
Speaker 10: that we enjoy the process of getting better. So, like you,
26:08
Speaker 10: I listen to my games, I critique my work. I
26:11
Speaker 10: feel like, you know, I could do that better, I
26:13
Speaker 10: can improve in this area or whatever. And I like
26:16
Speaker 10: that challenge. It keeps your mind going and evolving in
26:19
Speaker 10: the right direction. There will be a day when I'm sure,
26:23
Speaker 10: speaking for myself, that I say, you know, I don't
26:26
Speaker 10: know that I've got the love of the business that
26:28
Speaker 10: I once had to want to get better. Let me,
26:30
Speaker 10: let me just get in there and just do the
26:32
Speaker 10: game and then move on to the next. I really
26:34
Speaker 10: don't look at it like that. I think I'm a
26:37
Speaker 10: part paranoid, part scared. I feel like I'm young enough
26:41
Speaker 10: that I've still got a lot of good years ahead
26:42
Speaker 10: of me. But I want to make sure that I
26:45
Speaker 10: don't when that day comes that I do leave that
26:48
Speaker 10: I'm I'm not regretting not putting in the work necessary
26:53
Speaker 10: to be up to date. Let me tell you, I
26:55
Speaker 10: don't know what you think, but I'm watching when we
26:58
Speaker 10: do these games, like the offenses have never move faster,
27:00
Speaker 10: there's never been more no huddle, there's never been more
27:04
Speaker 10: sub packages coming in and staying on top of that
27:07
Speaker 10: in a game from way up into the press. That's
27:08
Speaker 10: a hard thing to do. It's hard, and I do
27:12
Speaker 10: it on radio and on TV. Both they're different ways
27:15
Speaker 10: of looking at it, but the same thing is, Man,
27:17
Speaker 10: you've got to pay attention and you've got to make
27:19
Speaker 10: sure that you go into these games prepared. So I'm scared.
27:24
Speaker 10: I read I read a quote by Scully one time,
27:27
Speaker 10: the great legendary Dodger broadcaster, who said, fear drives me
27:31
Speaker 10: a lot. I never want to let my listeners down.
27:34
Speaker 10: I never want to let myself down by not being
27:36
Speaker 10: fully prepared but into the game and staying ahead of
27:40
Speaker 10: the posse in other words, making sure that they find
27:42
Speaker 10: no reason to really attack my work. And that's what
27:46
Speaker 10: kept him going. And I read that as a young broadcaster,
27:48
Speaker 10: so that's that's a good model to live by, and
27:50
Speaker 10: so I kind of have.
27:52
Speaker 2: That totally rings true. Leave it to Vin Scully to
27:55
Speaker 2: nail it. Final question for Kevin Harlan. I'm sure you've
27:58
Speaker 2: heard this one before, but I've never your answer. If
28:01
Speaker 2: you could call a sporting event that you've never had
28:04
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do and probably won't have the opportunity
28:08
Speaker 2: to do, what would it be.
28:10
Speaker 10: Well, I've had the chance a couple of times to
28:12
Speaker 10: do Major League Baseball. When I was in my twenties
28:14
Speaker 10: and doing the University of Missouri and the Chiefs on
28:18
Speaker 10: radio Saturday Sunday back to back like you do with
28:20
Speaker 10: the Bearcats and the Bengals. There was an opportunity in
28:24
Speaker 10: my twenties, newly married with our first child, to do
28:28
Speaker 10: Cardinal Baseball with Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on KMOX
28:32
Speaker 10: and drove in there and did a practice game, and
28:34
Speaker 10: they heard the tape and they liked it, and it
28:37
Speaker 10: was there, and I chose not to my dad before
28:41
Speaker 10: I became the president of the Packers, was with the
28:43
Speaker 10: Saint Louis Baseball Cardinals and was the pr director back
28:47
Speaker 10: in the sixties, and he got out of baseball because
28:50
Speaker 10: it wasn't he thought he loved the job. It was
28:52
Speaker 10: a great job, but not for a family man. It's
28:55
Speaker 10: a hard job if you're a family man and are
28:57
Speaker 10: away from your family that one hundred and sixty two
28:59
Speaker 10: games and away from your family and all that, and
29:00
Speaker 10: every day, and during the great summer months where you know,
29:04
Speaker 10: vacations are gone now and so all that. So when
29:08
Speaker 10: he got out, you know that I remember the decision
29:10
Speaker 10: process he made, and my wife and I made the
29:14
Speaker 10: decision not to do baseball, and then had a chance
29:17
Speaker 10: with the Red Sox not too long ago to be
29:19
Speaker 10: involved in their broadcasts and chose not to do that.
29:22
Speaker 10: But and answer you to question, if I could on
29:25
Speaker 10: radio doing play by play. The great broadcasters in our
29:29
Speaker 10: business have some kind of a baseball background. And when
29:32
Speaker 10: I talk to young broadcasters, say do a lot of
29:35
Speaker 10: radio baseball because it will help you develop voice and
29:38
Speaker 10: pacing and reporting and all these things that we need
29:41
Speaker 10: to be whether you do basketball or football, if you
29:43
Speaker 10: can do baseball, I think you can do the other sports,
29:46
Speaker 10: and I do, and it's great for delivery development and
29:49
Speaker 10: voice development and cadence and all those things. But doing
29:53
Speaker 10: a game on radio, baseball on radio some random Wednesday night,
29:58
Speaker 10: maybe in July, and just describing as the shadows are growing,
30:01
Speaker 10: as the sun is setting, and described because you've got
30:04
Speaker 10: time between pitches to describe what's going on. In football, man,
30:08
Speaker 10: you got doing doo doo doo doom, and in basketball,
30:12
Speaker 10: so like you're constantly just trying to keep up with
30:14
Speaker 10: the action. But the one thing on radio that makes
30:17
Speaker 10: it so great is when you can paint the total
30:19
Speaker 10: picture and you can hear the popcorn guy in the
30:21
Speaker 10: stands that reaches that microphone or or or you can
30:24
Speaker 10: see a movement of a shortstop a little bit more
30:26
Speaker 10: to the left, a little bit more to the right.
30:28
Speaker 10: And I remember reading one thing about Red Barber and
30:31
Speaker 10: how he, when he was broadcasting the Brooklyn Dodgers, was
30:36
Speaker 10: describing a rainstorm that he could see building over left field,
30:41
Speaker 10: over Brooklyn, and how it was moving slowly toward Ebbett's Field,
30:45
Speaker 10: and how then there were rain drops, and how and
30:48
Speaker 10: how the rain drops on the bill of the cap
30:50
Speaker 10: of Pee Wee Reese he could see the drops and
30:53
Speaker 10: he could see the wind picking up in the dust
30:55
Speaker 10: blowing off the mound, and I thought, man, I like,
30:58
Speaker 10: those those are moments that just there. If you saw
31:02
Speaker 10: it, it wouldn't resonate, but when you hear it in the
31:04
Speaker 10: theater of your mind, it just builds this great picture.
31:08
Speaker 10: And I thought, that's what I wanted to do. And
31:10
Speaker 10: that's where I got my love of radio, which I
31:13
Speaker 10: do every Monday night. And there's not a lot of
31:17
Speaker 10: time to describe that kind of stuff, but when there is,
31:20
Speaker 10: and when you can describe it, I think those calls,
31:22
Speaker 10: your call of a Joe Burrow touchdown. Those calls if
31:26
Speaker 10: you listen to them driving by yourself on I seventy
31:29
Speaker 10: five or wherever you may be, like, they stick in
31:32
Speaker 10: your head, like you can almost picture it more here
31:34
Speaker 10: than you could if you saw it with your own
31:36
Speaker 10: two eyes. So I love the challenge that radio brings,
31:40
Speaker 10: and that that's where my love of doing radio baseball,
31:43
Speaker 10: I think would be. And a long answer to your question,
31:46
Speaker 10: and I'm sorry, but that's I love those I love
31:48
Speaker 10: those challenges of creating in people's minds that that vision
31:52
Speaker 10: where they can see in the theater of their mind.
31:55
Speaker 10: What happened, what kind of catch, what kind of ground
31:56
Speaker 10: ball was grabbed? You know, what kind of jump shot
31:59
Speaker 10: was taken? Where it is on the floor. Those things,
32:01
Speaker 10: to me, that's why get into broadcasting, the challenge of
32:04
Speaker 10: doing that the right way.
32:06
Speaker 2: Nobody has done football on the radio.
32:09
Speaker 10: Batter now, hold now, hold on. Now, you are too kind.
32:13
Speaker 10: We're friends, and that's why I you say that, I've
32:15
Speaker 10: heard your No. No, I'm going to disagree. I love
32:19
Speaker 10: your call, and that's why you've been honored so many
32:21
Speaker 10: times in a very competitive state, and why you have
32:23
Speaker 10: the reputation you have in our business. But I join
32:27
Speaker 10: with you. We are joined at the hip. We love
32:29
Speaker 10: our job, we love radio, and aren't we lucky to
32:32
Speaker 10: be in this stage, at this stage of our lives,
32:35
Speaker 10: to have these kind of platforms and calling NFL games
32:38
Speaker 10: and major college football and basketball games like that? It
32:41
Speaker 10: gets no better than that, does it?
32:43
Speaker 1: Well?
32:43
Speaker 10: How lucky are we? How lucky are we?
32:45
Speaker 2: Couldn't be any luckier? And Samboard is going to love
32:48
Speaker 2: this segment. Kevin, Thank you so much, my friend. Really
32:51
Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Look forward to seeing you this weekend.
32:54
Speaker 10: Love you, Dan, and I love you. As a friend
32:55
Speaker 10: and who's a broadcaster. It's so fun to visit. And
32:57
Speaker 10: I'll see you in Lambeau the Cathedral of NFL football
33:03
Speaker 10: Sunday morning. I'll look forward to that.
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33:27
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33:31
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33:34
Speaker 2: new defensive line coach this year, Jerry Montgomery. Jerry, you
33:39
Speaker 2: are a Packers assistant coach for nine years now you
33:42
Speaker 2: are going back to Lambeau. It can't be just another
33:45
Speaker 2: game for you. Is there anything in particular you're looking
33:47
Speaker 2: forward to?
33:49
Speaker 1: You know what? Being there for nine years?
33:52
Speaker 13: I have when I say friends are like family, meaning
33:57
Speaker 13: there's still guys there that I work with, but more importantly,
34:00
Speaker 13: our kids grew up there, so we have a cabin
34:03
Speaker 13: in Eagle River, Wisconsin. We will always call that home
34:06
Speaker 13: now regardless of where we live at. So it'll be
34:10
Speaker 13: great to see all of my neighbors and friends. And
34:16
Speaker 13: then you know what's cool is my son is getting
34:18
Speaker 13: his first collegiate start at linebacker against the Badger Saturday night.
34:22
Speaker 13: So I'm gonna try to sneak out and get to
34:24
Speaker 13: that game. So he played, you know, they went to
34:29
Speaker 13: the state championship and he played in Madison. Now he's
34:31
Speaker 13: getting his first start in Madison against Madison. So yeah,
34:35
Speaker 13: so we'll have a lot of friends all week in
34:36
Speaker 13: to see.
34:37
Speaker 2: I've only been to Lambeau once. That's when the Bengals
34:40
Speaker 2: played there eight years ago. It's a bucket list type
34:42
Speaker 2: experience for me. When you work there every day, do
34:46
Speaker 2: you feel the history and do you feel like it's
34:48
Speaker 2: a big advantage.
34:50
Speaker 13: You definitely feel the history. It's an unbelievable place to
34:55
Speaker 13: work and unbelievable place to play a footba. You walk
35:01
Speaker 13: through the tunnels and you feel it. It's neat even
35:05
Speaker 13: practicing there. There's an air about it. So and what's
35:08
Speaker 13: cool is when you pull in and you see now
35:11
Speaker 13: it's a little different now, because people have tore down
35:13
Speaker 13: those homes and built massive places across the street. They're
35:16
Speaker 13: big tailgate places. But it's just it's a really neat environment.
35:22
Speaker 13: It's probably as close to college environment as you'll feel
35:27
Speaker 13: in most places. But yeah, neat venue, a lot of
35:31
Speaker 13: history and cool place.
35:33
Speaker 2: Green Bay is the smallest market in the US that
35:35
Speaker 2: has a professional sports team. It's a city of about
35:37
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people. As a Packers player or coach,
35:41
Speaker 2: do you feel like you're in a fish bowl a
35:43
Speaker 2: little bit just because there's such a spotlight on the Packers?
35:47
Speaker 13: I would say, you know, maybe for a player. As
35:49
Speaker 13: a coach, I'd say no. I think people are very welcoming,
35:53
Speaker 13: welcoming and they treat you as one and especially if
35:58
Speaker 13: you're a normal person. If you know, there's not too
36:01
Speaker 13: many people that walk around meaning you know, and think
36:06
Speaker 13: that they're better than you. So when you act like that,
36:08
Speaker 13: that's when you stand alone. But for a player, I
36:11
Speaker 13: could see people knowing who you are. But I think
36:13
Speaker 13: those guys, you know, it's Milwaukee's two hours away, Chicago's
36:16
Speaker 13: three hours away, so.
36:17
Speaker 2: We're visiting the Bengals defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery let's
36:21
Speaker 2: talk defense. Seems a little odd to say, maybe after
36:24
Speaker 2: the opponent scored thirty seven points, But I thought the
36:26
Speaker 2: defense played pretty well last week against the NFL's number
36:29
Speaker 2: one offense. You forced five punts. Nobody's forced more against Detroit.
36:33
Speaker 2: You got to take away in the game what was
36:35
Speaker 2: good last Sunday, what wasn't up to your standard.
36:40
Speaker 13: We're taking the right steps each and every week. You know,
36:45
Speaker 13: they were average and I don't know if it was
36:47
Speaker 13: like four point nine or five something or carry. And
36:50
Speaker 13: if we don't give up the one big run, we
36:51
Speaker 13: keep them below two, below three, we give up the
36:55
Speaker 13: one big one.
36:56
Speaker 1: You know.
36:56
Speaker 13: So like we're building a mindset and a culture from
37:02
Speaker 13: a run game standpoint, and you know, you got to
37:06
Speaker 13: earn the right to pass rush, and so I think
37:08
Speaker 13: those guys, we're doing that and we're getting in them
37:11
Speaker 13: some longer down in distance, more than they've probably had
37:13
Speaker 13: all year.
37:14
Speaker 1: But you know, so it starts there.
37:16
Speaker 13: So you're just building a culture and identity, and you know,
37:20
Speaker 13: guys are playing hard. No one's quitting. You know, we
37:23
Speaker 13: got to eliminate the mistakes that are happening, and it's football.
37:28
Speaker 13: Things are going to happen. It's just like, you know,
37:30
Speaker 13: you can't let them compound. But we're heading in the
37:33
Speaker 13: right direction. We're nowhere near where we're going to be,
37:36
Speaker 13: but you know, hopefully people are seeing the change and
37:40
Speaker 13: the guys are working to stremely hard.
37:42
Speaker 2: One negative has been opening drives. Opponents have scored touchdowns
37:46
Speaker 2: in for the first five games. Has there been a
37:48
Speaker 2: common denominator? Is there something that stands out on those
37:51
Speaker 2: opening drives?
37:52
Speaker 1: We talk about that every day.
37:55
Speaker 13: I don't know if it was Cleveland and then Minnesota,
37:58
Speaker 13: but you know, you got penalties that extend drives. One
38:02
Speaker 13: of those drives, there was three or four third down penalties.
38:06
Speaker 1: Uh.
38:06
Speaker 13: Some you know are questionable, but like, if you know,
38:11
Speaker 13: we can eliminate some of those things. We're off the field,
38:14
Speaker 13: you know, but uh, once the guy's settled down, it's
38:17
Speaker 13: it's been you know, pretty good and then then there's
38:19
Speaker 13: a hiccup. Right, But uh, you know, I think if
38:22
Speaker 13: we can eliminate the mistakes, uh and play fast and
38:25
Speaker 13: then tackle and open field, uh, I think we're gonna
38:28
Speaker 13: you know, be better and improve each week.
38:30
Speaker 1: Let's discuss some individuals.
38:32
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson had two sacks last week, he's got four
38:34
Speaker 2: in the first five games.
38:36
Speaker 1: It's your first year coaching him. What stands out, Yeah,
38:39
Speaker 1: it's it's important to him.
38:41
Speaker 13: You know, he he wants to learn about, you know,
38:45
Speaker 13: the offensive line and what they're doing. You know, he's
38:49
Speaker 13: he's invested in in playing the run. And you know,
38:53
Speaker 13: he knows, like, you can't get to third down if
38:56
Speaker 13: you can't stop the run. And so I think he's
38:58
Speaker 13: really put an emphasis on those details. But like, you know,
39:03
Speaker 13: it's important to him. You talk about a guy that
39:05
Speaker 13: comes in, he takes care of his body, He watches film,
39:07
Speaker 13: he studies his opponent, so he knows, you know, what
39:10
Speaker 13: should work, how the guy's gonna set him, you know.
39:13
Speaker 13: So it's it's it's neat to be around, you know,
39:15
Speaker 13: a pro.
39:17
Speaker 2: Joseph Osai and Miles Murphy each had a sack last week.
39:19
Speaker 2: What are you working on with them at this stage
39:21
Speaker 2: of their development?
39:23
Speaker 13: Consistency, whether it's in the run game. They both had opportunities. Uh,
39:29
Speaker 13: you know, you know one of the sacks that Miles got,
39:32
Speaker 13: you know, Joe created it because he was able to
39:35
Speaker 13: penetrate the B gap and then Miles played off of them.
39:38
Speaker 13: So it's not just a selfish individual. Hey I'm gonna
39:41
Speaker 13: go win. I mean, he did a selfish deal by penetrate,
39:45
Speaker 13: penetrating the B gap and allow Miles to get a sack, right, So,
39:49
Speaker 13: so all those things are a part of it, but
39:52
Speaker 13: just being consistent, whether it's the run game, open field,
39:56
Speaker 13: tackling those type of things, Like I'm very demanding and
40:01
Speaker 13: hold those guys to a really high standard, and I
40:04
Speaker 13: think sometimes I could feel like the world's falling down
40:07
Speaker 13: on them, when in reality it's like, hey, this happened,
40:10
Speaker 13: let's clean it up, all right. Uh, you know, but
40:12
Speaker 13: don't don't don't you know, let one mistake fall into
40:16
Speaker 13: another one, because you can't move on, you know. And
40:19
Speaker 13: so those are the things that we're trying to work
40:21
Speaker 13: to get them past.
40:22
Speaker 2: You are demanding and it's fun to watch, and I
40:25
Speaker 2: get the sense from everybody that I've talked to that
40:27
Speaker 2: they like being pushed. Is that what you're looking for
40:29
Speaker 2: from the guys that you have on your D line?
40:32
Speaker 13: I want I want guys that it's important to being
40:35
Speaker 13: out there. It's important. Learning the process and learning what
40:41
Speaker 13: your opponent does is important. If it's not important to
40:44
Speaker 13: you for those things, then like you don't love the game.
40:49
Speaker 13: Like the best guys I've been around, right, and we're
40:53
Speaker 13: going to Green Bay. Kenny Clark was one of the
40:55
Speaker 13: best to ever do it. But it wasn't that he
40:57
Speaker 13: was like super Ubertalent. He loved football, And like, I
41:01
Speaker 13: got a room full of guys that, like you know,
41:03
Speaker 13: they love it. They're learning learning more bald than they've
41:06
Speaker 13: ever learned. But like, I expect them to play at
41:11
Speaker 13: a high level, and I my standard for them is
41:14
Speaker 13: super high, but I expect more out of them. It
41:17
Speaker 13: can't be how bad do I want it, because that
41:19
Speaker 13: doesn't mean anything. I don't play the game. If you
41:22
Speaker 13: guys don't put in the time and effort, it's not
41:25
Speaker 13: gonna show up on the field. And I tell them,
41:27
Speaker 13: what you put into it, you get out of it.
41:29
Speaker 13: So if you take me as being hard and demanding
41:33
Speaker 13: on you is a bad thing, all right, you're never
41:36
Speaker 13: going to grow, all right, and you're never gonna get
41:39
Speaker 13: to where you need to get a lot of guys
41:41
Speaker 13: understand I'm trying to help them, not hurt them. It's
41:44
Speaker 13: not belittle on them. It's trying to make them better.
41:46
Speaker 13: It's trying to get them to see the game through
41:49
Speaker 13: my lens are to see the game easier, and the
41:52
Speaker 13: guys that are doing that are making huge strides.
41:55
Speaker 2: BJ Hill is the leading tackler among the guys up front.
41:58
Speaker 2: What have you enjoyed about coaching Bj?
42:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's smart, same thing. He's another guy
42:03
Speaker 1: who's done it.
42:03
Speaker 13: He's been productive right in the past, and we're teaching
42:06
Speaker 13: him a little bit different ways how to do it.
42:08
Speaker 13: But you know, he's adapting and he's doing it, and
42:11
Speaker 13: he's playing good ball for us, and we need him
42:13
Speaker 13: in there, and he's been stouting to run and we
42:15
Speaker 13: need him to continue to do that.
42:18
Speaker 2: You haven't had Shamar since week two. I thought he
42:21
Speaker 2: got better every day at training camp from watching practice.
42:24
Speaker 2: What did you think of his camp and the first
42:25
Speaker 2: two games that he was able.
42:26
Speaker 13: To play, Yeah, like a roller coaster, right, like a
42:29
Speaker 13: guy that hadn't been here all off season or all
42:32
Speaker 13: training camp, right, And then and then he showed flashes
42:35
Speaker 13: of like why he went where he went, and so
42:39
Speaker 13: it's it's a work in progress, but like when he
42:43
Speaker 13: gets it, when it all clicks for him, the tools
42:45
Speaker 13: are there, I see, like a great player in this
42:48
Speaker 13: league for a long time, right, and so he's going
42:51
Speaker 13: through a process right now through this injury, Like he's
42:54
Speaker 13: learning how to try to be a pro with rehab
42:57
Speaker 13: and all that. So, I mean everything he's doing right
42:59
Speaker 13: now is new and it's all a process for.
43:02
Speaker 2: So final thing for d line coach Jerry Montgomery, the
43:05
Speaker 2: big news this week is obviously the acquisition of Joe Flacco.
43:08
Speaker 2: You've squared off against him a handful of times in
43:11
Speaker 2: the NFL, including Week one this year. What do you
43:13
Speaker 2: think Joe Flacco brings to the table.
43:16
Speaker 1: The guys played a lot of football.
43:17
Speaker 13: I mean, I tell the story I told him when
43:20
Speaker 13: I saw him last night, Like we were at Northern
43:23
Speaker 13: iowhen he was at Delaware, he beat us to go
43:25
Speaker 13: to the National Championship game. We were undefeated team. We
43:28
Speaker 13: had like nine sack opportunities, but we fell down his
43:31
Speaker 13: body like six of those, right, So we get those
43:34
Speaker 13: nine sacks. It's done, but veteran experience. The guy's got.
43:39
Speaker 13: He's massive, right, he could see it.
43:40
Speaker 1: He can make it.
43:41
Speaker 13: All the throws and you know, even the picks that
43:44
Speaker 13: happened our game, I mean those were tips into flections
43:47
Speaker 13: right like the balls were. And I think they've had
43:50
Speaker 13: eleven drops there. I mean, he's gonna have some great weapons,
43:54
Speaker 13: but he can make the throws.
43:56
Speaker 1: Veteran leadership.
43:57
Speaker 13: The guys won a Super Bowl like so he's done
43:59
Speaker 13: it and it'd be nice to see what he can do.
44:02
Speaker 2: We're gonna get our opportunity soon, Kerry. Appreciate your time
44:05
Speaker 2: enjoying the trip back to Green Bank.
44:06
Speaker 1: Yep, thank you very much.
44:08
Speaker 2: When Jerry was with the Packers, he helped turn Kenny
44:11
Speaker 2: Clark into a three time Pro Bowl defensive tackle. They
44:14
Speaker 2: won't see each other this weekend because Clark is now
44:17
Speaker 2: a Dallas Cowboy.
44:19
Speaker 1: Back.
44:19
Speaker 2: In August, the Packers traded him and two first round
44:22
Speaker 2: draft picks to Dallas for Micah Parsons. The Bengals have
44:26
Speaker 2: faced Parsons twice before. In twenty twenty two, he had
44:31
Speaker 2: two sacks and five quarterback hits as the Cowboys beat
44:34
Speaker 2: the Bengals by three, but last year he had no
44:38
Speaker 2: sacks and no tackles as Cincinnati beat Dallas by seven.
44:43
Speaker 2: In that game, he was mostly matched up against the
44:46
Speaker 2: Marius Mims.
44:47
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, I think Michael's the best d N
44:50
Speaker 14: in the NFL other than Miles Garrett. If you hasn't me,
44:52
Speaker 14: it's just the guys who want them played against. The
44:54
Speaker 14: gonna be a challenge, it always, especially on the road,
44:57
Speaker 14: it's gonna be a game. Worse about me again, honestly,
44:59
Speaker 14: just just doing with coaches telling me in practice and
45:02
Speaker 14: you know, how can you know, trying to neutralize him
45:04
Speaker 14: as much as possible and knowing you know, he's gonna
45:06
Speaker 14: make his fair share of plays, you know, I mean,
45:08
Speaker 14: it's gonna happen with a guy like that. But really,
45:10
Speaker 14: like I said, my mind said, is really to just
45:12
Speaker 14: you know, go out there and play the game football,
45:14
Speaker 14: and no I can play, continue to get better, and
45:16
Speaker 14: you know, if I let one mistake, like not let
45:19
Speaker 14: one mistake or one you know, one small minor, you know,
45:22
Speaker 14: step in that game and turn into like the whole game. So,
45:24
Speaker 14: like I said, going against a great player, not one
45:27
Speaker 14: of the best players on defense and ever, I mean,
45:29
Speaker 14: I think he's a good like I said, you know
45:30
Speaker 14: he's a good player, but I know he's a good player.
45:32
Speaker 14: But I said, I'm ready for the challenge. You know,
45:34
Speaker 14: like I said, last year he was with another team.
45:36
Speaker 14: Last year played in Dallas, and this year is gonna
45:38
Speaker 14: be in on Green Bay. So it's gonna be fun.
45:40
Speaker 2: The Packers are moving Parsons around quite a bit, so
45:43
Speaker 2: Mems and Orlando Brown Junior, we'll both have to play well.
45:47
Speaker 2: Wayne Larravie, the Voice of the Packers, joined Dave Lapham
45:50
Speaker 2: and me on the Bengals Game Plan Show this week
45:53
Speaker 2: and we started our know the Faust segment by asking
45:56
Speaker 2: about Parsons.
45:58
Speaker 3: It's given that defense a certain swagger that maybe it
46:01
Speaker 3: didn't have before. It was a good defense last year.
46:05
Speaker 3: There's no question, a top ten defense, but they feel
46:07
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons can maybe push them over the top. He
46:10
Speaker 3: gives them, you know, he makes the four man rush
46:14
Speaker 3: effective in terms of pass rush and that's something that
46:18
Speaker 3: they struggled with here. Ago and Jeff Hafley, the defensive
46:21
Speaker 3: coordinated at a tremendous job of generating pass rush pressure
46:25
Speaker 3: and getting sacks, but he had to do it with
46:28
Speaker 3: blitzing and that type of thing. They're more prone today
46:32
Speaker 3: to be a four man pass rush, and that's what
46:35
Speaker 3: they were hoping to be when all this whole thing
46:38
Speaker 3: was put together. And so Micah Parsons, he makes the
46:41
Speaker 3: people around him better. You know. Up until last week,
46:45
Speaker 3: Rashan Gary was leading the league in sacks. And you
46:48
Speaker 3: know that's the difference. Having Parsons on one side and
46:53
Speaker 3: Gary on the other side makes Rashan Gary much more
46:56
Speaker 3: effective because he's not facing as many double teams.
47:00
Speaker 6: When when the trade was made for Sean Gary was
47:03
Speaker 6: probably the most appreciative guy in the organization. It's like, man,
47:06
Speaker 6: finally I got somebody else on the other side that's
47:09
Speaker 6: going to take take some of the pressure off and
47:12
Speaker 6: he'll be facing a lot of the double teams. When
47:15
Speaker 6: I watched the Green Bay Packers defense on tape, I'll
47:19
Speaker 6: tell you parts is pretty stout in the running game.
47:22
Speaker 6: Now he plays the run, he doesn't, you know, he
47:25
Speaker 6: doesn't just kind of show up or really not show
47:28
Speaker 6: up for a couple of snaps and then hope, hope
47:31
Speaker 6: for a third and long and see if I can
47:33
Speaker 6: sack the quarterback and increase my sack numbers. Run a
47:37
Speaker 6: big total on sacks for the season. This guy is
47:40
Speaker 6: a complete football player. He plays both sides of it,
47:43
Speaker 6: doesn't he.
47:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does. And you know that's something he kind
47:46
Speaker 3: of got a bad rap by Gary Jones about his
47:49
Speaker 3: run defense. But you know what we've seen, he's been
47:53
Speaker 3: very solid in holding the edge and making plays in
47:56
Speaker 3: the running game, So that's helped a lot. I mean,
47:59
Speaker 3: the Packers giving up seventy seven yards rushing second in
48:02
Speaker 3: the league. You know, they had a little bit more
48:06
Speaker 3: of a rough day in Dallas. Dallas got a season
48:08
Speaker 3: high one hundred and seventeen rushing yards against them. But
48:11
Speaker 3: that game was a track meet, so you know, I
48:14
Speaker 3: don't know how much you can put into the defensive
48:16
Speaker 3: figures of that game.
48:19
Speaker 2: The voice of the Packers, Wayne Larabee, is our guest.
48:22
Speaker 2: Green Bay opened with very impressive wins over Detroit and Washington.
48:27
Speaker 2: Attention was growing before We're talking about this team as
48:30
Speaker 2: a real Super Bowl favorite. Then they laid an egg
48:33
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. What happened in that Cleveland game.
48:37
Speaker 3: You know, Dan, I mean, they had control of that game,
48:41
Speaker 3: they really did. I mean they were struggling offensively. Cleveland's
48:44
Speaker 3: defensive line dominated the Packers offensive line. The Packers have
48:48
Speaker 3: had some injuries in their offensive line. Zach tom probably
48:52
Speaker 3: their best offensive line, been played one play in that
48:55
Speaker 3: game and it went out with an injury that he
48:58
Speaker 3: came into the game with. Meanwhile, you know the left guard,
49:04
Speaker 3: you know Banks, whom they acquired from San Francisco, kind
49:07
Speaker 3: of a road grader or the running game. Aaron Banks.
49:09
Speaker 3: He's missed seven He's missed seven games last year and
49:13
Speaker 3: he's missed two now this year. So having components of
49:17
Speaker 3: the offensive line down and having to shuffle that line
49:21
Speaker 3: against the Cleveland front that you guys saw opening I
49:24
Speaker 3: believe it was opening day. It's pretty good, pretty good unit,
49:27
Speaker 3: and you want to be at your best when you're
49:29
Speaker 3: going up against that group. So they struggled offensively, defensively,
49:33
Speaker 3: they're in command of that ball game. And then the
49:35
Speaker 3: special team's issue occurred and they had a field goal
49:39
Speaker 3: block and boom, all of a sudden, you know, Cincinnati
49:43
Speaker 3: was or i should say Cleveland was back in the
49:45
Speaker 3: game and snuck away with a win.
49:47
Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bit about Joe Flacco. What did
49:51
Speaker 6: you think of Joe Flacco in that football game? How
49:54
Speaker 6: did he perform against the Green Bay Packers?
49:57
Speaker 3: To your eye, well, you know and studying him they
50:02
Speaker 3: going into the game. He can still fling it and
50:06
Speaker 3: he can still get a downfield. Two things happened in Cleveland.
50:10
Speaker 3: Number One, they were just starting to find their running
50:14
Speaker 3: back and that kid that they drafted in the second
50:16
Speaker 3: round is going to be a really good runner, but
50:19
Speaker 3: they really don't have a solid round game. They couldn't
50:22
Speaker 3: protect the quarterback. They just can't protect Blackout and that's
50:26
Speaker 3: the problem that he had. So so much of what
50:29
Speaker 3: he was doing leading into that game was checked down
50:32
Speaker 3: stuff and really short stuff. And then he hit a
50:36
Speaker 3: couple of passes against the Packers, but nothing out of
50:39
Speaker 3: the ordinary. He struggled. I mean, he did not have
50:41
Speaker 3: a great game against the Packers at all. And you know,
50:45
Speaker 3: going to Cincinnati now, and if they get him up
50:47
Speaker 3: to speed and ready to play this week, he's got
50:50
Speaker 3: better people around him to throw the football to. I mean,
50:53
Speaker 3: those two guys are number one receivers, both of them,
50:57
Speaker 3: and you know, Flaco didn't have anything close to that
51:00
Speaker 3: caliber in Cleveland. So if the Bengals can protect this guy,
51:04
Speaker 3: he can still get the ball down field accurately.
51:07
Speaker 2: Dayne Larrabee is our guest. Do you expect the Packers
51:10
Speaker 2: O line to be at full strength this week? And
51:13
Speaker 2: what about wide receiver Christian Watson. They just opened up
51:16
Speaker 2: his twenty one day window to come back from his
51:18
Speaker 2: knee injury. Any chance the Bengals have to worry about
51:21
Speaker 2: him this week?
51:23
Speaker 3: Boy? You know, I got to tell you, Dan, from
51:26
Speaker 3: what I saw a training camp, from what I've seen
51:28
Speaker 3: at practice, and they've ramped him up a little bit
51:31
Speaker 3: this week now that he's actually in practice, I wouldn't
51:36
Speaker 3: count him out. But I wouldn't. My gut tells me though,
51:40
Speaker 3: wait a week, you know, let him go through this
51:43
Speaker 3: week and then maybe his comeback has been stunning. I
51:47
Speaker 3: mean at training camp it looked like he could practice
51:50
Speaker 3: and play, and you know, they held him out obviously,
51:53
Speaker 3: and they had him on the reserve list. And now
51:56
Speaker 3: this week the's back at practice and frankly, it looks
52:00
Speaker 3: pretty good. To be honest with you, guys, I just
52:02
Speaker 3: wonder if I know the Packers are very cautious with
52:05
Speaker 3: their people from a medical standpoint, I still think it's
52:10
Speaker 3: a long shot he plays this week, but I wouldn't
52:12
Speaker 3: count it out.
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