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The Occult Mechanics of Psychic Reading with Raya Thorne · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Than what? Welcome to the occult Rejects tonight.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting into a psychic perception, spirit communication, intuitive work,
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  Speaker 3: and the strange space where a cult practice meets a
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  Speaker 3: lived experience. Joining us is RAA Thorne, an international psychic occultist, teacher, mentor,
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  Speaker 3: and creator whose work moves beyond surface level fortune telling
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  Speaker 3: and into the deeper mechanics of psychic awareness and energetic reading,
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  Speaker 3: ritual guidance, and spiritual development. Rea's work sits in that
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  Speaker 3: charged territory between intuition and discipline, where the psychic gift
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  Speaker 3: is not treated like a party trick, but it's something
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  Speaker 3: that has to be trained, tested, grounded, and carried with responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get to her, we will introduce the other
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  Speaker 3: I guess rejects that are joining us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: And we got Judith Dalun. What is going on? Judith?
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Coank?
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  Speaker 4: Fine?
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  Speaker 5: Hello everyone, I'm glad to be here. I look forward
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  Speaker 5: to our discussion Raya and everyone else. You could catch
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  Speaker 5: me on speaker YouTube and x as the Loon.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you so much. And we got Ethan Indigo.
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  Speaker 3: What is going on. So how are you.
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  Speaker 6: Pleasure to be here with you guys? As always great
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  Speaker 6: to see you. I'm super excited to listen to what
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  Speaker 6: ray asked to say. Ethan Indigo Smith on all the
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  Speaker 6: social media author observer, article writer occasionally and one recently
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  Speaker 6: up on Occult Research Institute dot org. Check it out
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  Speaker 6: with other other writers of course too, and again appreciating
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  Speaker 6: you guys, and I'm so excited for this rep.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Ethan.
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  Speaker 3: And definitely if you have a chance, go check out
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  Speaker 3: Ethan into Going Under Books. He's got a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: books out there and he has covered some of them
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  Speaker 3: on the show, so if you want to go, we
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  Speaker 3: could check out some of the backlog and get an
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  Speaker 3: idea what his book's about.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Ethan. Always appreciate when you make
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  Speaker 1: it on the show.
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  Speaker 3: And finally Raya finally got you here. I know there
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  Speaker 3: was a little confusion with the scheduling. I had to
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  Speaker 3: screw things up, and then I had asked you to
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  Speaker 3: come on months ago and then totally forgot to get
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  Speaker 3: back in touch with you, but we finally made it here.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you very much for having the patients and
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  Speaker 3: waiting on me, but I really appreciate you making and
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  Speaker 3: I'm very excited to have you on. And I guess
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  Speaker 3: before I forget, because I will forget. I was just
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  Speaker 3: saying it before, just with the listeners. If you happen
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  Speaker 3: to have any questions or anything you want to add,
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  Speaker 3: please make sure you throw them into the chat. We
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  Speaker 3: will be making sure we check the chat in case
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  Speaker 3: you got any questions about our experiences or whatever you'd
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  Speaker 3: like to ask. But Raya, please, before we get the
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  Speaker 3: show started, let everybody know anything that you want to promote,
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  Speaker 3: where they can find you, whatever you got going on
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  Speaker 3: your services think.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say it was such a beautiful introduction.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, okay, it's a lot to
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  Speaker 2: live up to. So thank you. I appreciate that. Even
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  Speaker 2: I'm really curious about when you said you're an observer.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about that later because I
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  Speaker 2: was like, observing, that's really interesting. I want to know more.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you all for having me on the show,
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  Speaker 2: Like this is really exciting. I hope we get into
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  Speaker 2: some really interesting, unhinged topics about psychic and magic. I
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  Speaker 2: would love to just see where this goes for everyone
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  Speaker 2: that hasn't met me. I'm an international psychic. As I've
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  Speaker 2: been introduced, what I do isn't your typical psychic readings.
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  Speaker 2: I actually help you see yourself in a way that
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  Speaker 2: you haven't seen yourself before and then give you practical,
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  Speaker 2: grounded information on how to move forward into your purpose
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  Speaker 2: and your gifts. My readings are confronting but also liberating
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, So you can check out my
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  Speaker 2: work on my website and what I do. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: also a psychic teacher, so I teach a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people how to truly come into their psychic gifts and
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  Speaker 2: how to really tell the difference between their mind and
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  Speaker 2: their psychic abilities, and that's what I specialize in. At
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  Speaker 2: the moment, I'm just about to launch an online self
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  Speaker 2: paced video course that's coming out in about a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks, which is a project that I've been working
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  Speaker 2: on for about a couple of years now, and it's
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  Speaker 2: like the University of how to become Psychic. It's very detailed,
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  Speaker 2: very in depth. It's a big commitment because it teaches
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  Speaker 2: you how to see yourself so you can see others deeply.
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  Speaker 2: And I also teach an online group course twice a
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  Speaker 2: year that fills up really quick. I've just finished the
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  Speaker 2: first container and the second one's about to start in August.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're interested about my work, you can check
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  Speaker 2: out my YouTube channel and on my website, like you
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  Speaker 2: can see what students say about the courses that I
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  Speaker 2: offer and also my readings. Just check out Google reviews.
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of reviews about the experiences people have.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I do in a nutshell. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: a deep, deep lover of the occult and magic, so
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  Speaker 2: my magic abilities and the occult kind of go hand
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  Speaker 2: in hand with what I do. So I also work
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of occultists, witches, and spiritualists to help
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  Speaker 2: them come more into their spiritual gifts.
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it in a little nutshell.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Judith, did you have
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  Speaker 1: anything you wanted to say?
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  Speaker 4: Not yet?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I thought I saw you on mute your mic.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, she's got a question already
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  Speaker 3: if you don't mind, it's only because I pretty much
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  Speaker 3: as this to all the guests. When did this start
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  Speaker 3: for you? Like I'm assuming probably you're not somebody who's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: one day, like maybe I came across a book and
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  Speaker 3: found it interesting. I'm guessing, just taking a guess, maybe
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  Speaker 3: you started having experiences and realized maybe you were different.
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  Speaker 3: I had certain things like when did you find out
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  Speaker 3: that this was for you? Where you were into this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to go on a big ramble. So
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  Speaker 2: because I was on IX podcast and he asked me
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  Speaker 2: this as well, I think. I mean, it's that stereotypical
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  Speaker 2: thing of when I was little, I was having a
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  Speaker 2: lot of supernatural experiences, and then I became very interested
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  Speaker 2: in magic and the occult at the age of eleven,
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  Speaker 2: when I got a book on the history of witchcraft
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  Speaker 2: from my mum and I was just so excited about this.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, there's something in this that's for me.
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  Speaker 2: This is it, This explains things. This is going to
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  Speaker 2: like fix my life, maybe because I was always a
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  Speaker 2: kid that felt really powerless, and then when I started
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  Speaker 2: to discover which is in magic, I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they have power, that they're in the mystical realm, that
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  Speaker 2: things are happening to them, and it explains what I'm experiencing.
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  Speaker 2: So from the age of eleven, there's been this on
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  Speaker 2: off relationship with magic until I find in my mid
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  Speaker 2: thirties early thirties, mid thirties went oh, okay, there's like
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  Speaker 2: I need to commit to this because I'm having all
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  Speaker 2: these experiences. I know this stuff is real, but I
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  Speaker 2: was always very afraid to fully embrace it because I
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  Speaker 2: used to get bullied and then like my parents would
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  Speaker 2: throw out all my witchcraft books, and I got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of shame around being psychic, being magical, and being
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  Speaker 2: interested in these things. But eventually I just I hit
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  Speaker 2: a space where I was like, no, this is who
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  Speaker 2: I am, and I love this, and this is what
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  Speaker 2: I want to commit to. And that's really where where
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  Speaker 2: the journey started for me. And I wasn't going into
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  Speaker 2: psychic abilities, even though like I had psychic gifts on
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  Speaker 2: board that I was like, Oh, I'm psychic, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: not really sure about it. When I started to practice
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  Speaker 2: ceremonial magic religiously, like fully committed to it, that's when
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  Speaker 2: the psychic ability started to appear. And it was with
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  Speaker 2: another magician that I was working with at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and you just said to me, Hey, you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: really psychic, and I went oh, And it's like someone
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  Speaker 2: had given me permission to explore it and then I
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, what is this. It's okay that I
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  Speaker 2: am like this. And then I just started exploring it
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  Speaker 2: more deeply, and I was practicing magic with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of magicians because I was just so obsessed with it.
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  Speaker 2: And I was in this community where I started reading
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  Speaker 2: for them for free. I'm like, oh, can I just
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  Speaker 2: practice something with you? And then it kind of just exploded.
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  Speaker 2: People started saying to me, Oh, Raya, I really want
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  Speaker 2: to pay you for this? Can I pay you for
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  Speaker 2: a reading? Why are you charging for this? And then
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, maybe I can start doing
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  Speaker 2: this a little bit on the side. And as soon
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  Speaker 2: as I started doing that, it just exploded. And I
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  Speaker 2: haven't like I'm always trying to keep up business because
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  Speaker 2: it's like this thing that's happening that I'm chasing after.
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  Speaker 2: So that's it in a nutshell. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of interesting things that have happened, Like I've had
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  Speaker 2: some insane, magical, supernatural experiences and that really kept me
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  Speaker 2: on the hook to continue to come back to, let's say,
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  Speaker 2: a magical and psychic psychic life. And then when I
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  Speaker 2: actually fully stepped into it and wasn't afraid to say hey, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a psychic and a witch and I do it professionally.
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  Speaker 2: This is my full time job that it's led me
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  Speaker 2: to where I am now, and I'm fully. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm fully finally myself and in my purpose and
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  Speaker 2: it's a wild ride and I love it. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess being able to talk to you guys about it
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  Speaker 2: because I want to know all about all of you,
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  Speaker 2: your own personal magical experiences and what you love. It's
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  Speaker 2: just such a joy. Like I woke up so excited
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  Speaker 2: this morning to talk to all of you. I was like, ah, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we get to do this. So that's kind of it
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  Speaker 2: in a nutshell.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: I get jealous when I hear people saying that they
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  Speaker 3: got into this stuff at such a young age because.
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  Speaker 1: I waited for so late in my life.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, damn, but that is ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I have to I agree with you, Like I have
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  Speaker 2: these like why didn't I commit to this to the
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  Speaker 2: way that I am doing it now earlier as well?
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  Speaker 2: So I have the same I feel the same way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why wasn't I doing this earlier?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Since you said that, actually, that's a question that sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I do as guests, but normally later on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Have you noticed or is it different from you, like
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  Speaker 3: the way you looked at this when you first got
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  Speaker 3: into it, the way you look at it now?
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  Speaker 1: Is it different?
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  Speaker 3: Has it changed? Like has has your look at it
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  Speaker 3: changed over time and actually developed into something else?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I get there's so much energy in that question.
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  Speaker 2: I feel it come in as you ask me that. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize how dumb I was. I'm sorry, Ah,
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: That's honest though, that's true. I've said that before. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, man, I was so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I started this.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff so dumb, and like when I first started, I
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  Speaker 2: was practicing as a teenager and I really got into
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  Speaker 2: like working with demons and demonology Gaasha, and I just
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  Speaker 2: I fucked everything up. I made all the mistakes. I
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  Speaker 2: scared the shit out of myself so severely with what
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  Speaker 2: I was dealing with. And then now as I you know,
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  Speaker 2: as I've approached it as an adult, I done a
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  Speaker 2: lot of work on myself, done a lot of research
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  Speaker 2: working with professional practitioners. The relationship to what happened when
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  Speaker 2: I was younger to now I have a deeper understanding
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  Speaker 2: as to why those events happened as they did. And
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  Speaker 2: even Judith was talking about this earlier before we all
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  Speaker 2: came on live, like how she's revisited her incredible, magical
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  Speaker 2: experience and there's so many more beautiful, rich layers that
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  Speaker 2: she's now uncovering. So I feel like I can really
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  Speaker 2: relate to that experience because as you ask me that question, Nick,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I feel like. Oh, now that I look
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  Speaker 2: back at it, it shows me how much how layered
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  Speaker 2: our experience is, how there's always more information available, and
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  Speaker 2: how everything is always the opposite of what we think
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  Speaker 2: it is. That's my mantra I tell a lot of
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  Speaker 2: my clients everything is the opposite of what you think
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  Speaker 2: it is. And as I go deeper in it, what
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  Speaker 2: I've really learned is it's not the outward journey that matters.
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  Speaker 2: It's the inward journey that matters. Inwards, not outwards. It's
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  Speaker 2: not about the external. The external is of representation of
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  Speaker 2: the inwards. And I know this is a very cliche
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  Speaker 2: thing to say, but because I read people's minds for
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  Speaker 2: a living, I see why they really make decisions and
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  Speaker 2: what the mind convinces them of, and it's the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: So that's probably what I've learned.
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  Speaker 3: I feel you'ven with that though, even I would even
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  Speaker 3: say getting into magic and occultism, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things that the way I looked at it at first tough.
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  Speaker 3: How I see it now it's completely different, you know,
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  Speaker 3: even with thinking certain things just because the way it looks,
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  Speaker 3: maybe the image doesn't necessarily mean it's bad.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: get a yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, one. And what that tells me about you is
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  Speaker 2: all of you. Actually, if you're having this realization, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like you've intellectualized the knowledge when you're younger, and
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  Speaker 2: then you go through the process of actually living and
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  Speaker 2: embodying it, and then you've come into a place of
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  Speaker 2: embodiment and then you're like, oh, now I understand what
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  Speaker 2: that actually means because you've you've felt it, you're feeling it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, even like some experiences have like brought me
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  Speaker 3: to I guess like looking at things differently, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and seeing.
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  Speaker 6: It it reminds me of something you said that rather
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  Speaker 6: that I wanted to ask about kind of our own
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  Speaker 6: minds getting in our way and forgive me if I'm
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  Speaker 6: not using the correct terminology that you used. But you
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  Speaker 6: said something along the lines of how you want to
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  Speaker 6: provide your students with a way to make distinct the
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  Speaker 6: mind and the psychic phenomenon or psychic energy that one
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  Speaker 6: might tap into. And I find that's a really important concept.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, attempting to be intuitive myself, I'm trying
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  Speaker 6: to cool down or quiet my mind somehow activates when somehow,
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  Speaker 6: when I deactivate, I kind of activate these intuitive potentials.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if that makes sense, and if you
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  Speaker 6: want to just elaborate on that idea.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you're bringing this in because I can
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  Speaker 2: already tell like you are a very intellectual person, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, think a lot, and you think deeply. So
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  Speaker 2: what I teach is because a lot of people say, like,
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  Speaker 2: how do I quiet my mind? How do I get
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  Speaker 2: how do I make it go away? Like it keeps interfering?
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  Speaker 2: Or is the psychic information I'm getting just a projection
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  Speaker 2: of my own mind and what I want to happen
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  Speaker 2: and through my own experience of my mind, because my
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  Speaker 2: mind is very split. So what that means is and
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  Speaker 2: we're going into a little bit of like wording stuff
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  Speaker 2: around trauma, Like the more trauma you experience, the more
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  Speaker 2: layers or splits of the mind there are. So when
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking to the mind, I see all the splits,
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  Speaker 2: and the splits present themselves to me as characters. So
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  Speaker 2: you could say, you could relate this if you want
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  Speaker 2: to ground this into general psychology, you could say it's
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  Speaker 2: like the inner child, the angry teenager, and any other
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  Speaker 2: part that you have. Right, So those are the parts
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  Speaker 2: of the mind that I'm constantly talking to because that
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  Speaker 2: is what I had to do for myself. You could
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  Speaker 2: say I had like different personalities. So what I learned
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  Speaker 2: when I decided to become psychic is that I kept
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  Speaker 2: feeling my mind coming in So I got really curious
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  Speaker 2: about all right, so how can I tell the difference?
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  Speaker 2: And I also come from a film theater background, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm always into stories and characters and that type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's another aspect of my life that I was in.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the film industry for quite a long time,
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  Speaker 2: so I started going, oh, what if my mind? What
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  Speaker 2: if I just create characters with my mind and start
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  Speaker 2: to develop a relationship with my mind? Because every if, everything,
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  Speaker 2: if the opposite is true. The general consensus is we're
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  Speaker 2: always told to quiet the mind, suppress the mind, push
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  Speaker 2: the mind away so that we can come into that
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  Speaker 2: intuitive state. The opposite is what's true. You don't want
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  Speaker 2: to quiet the mind. You need to learn how to
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  Speaker 2: bring it in, create a relationship with it so it
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  Speaker 2: works with you, not against you. What I learned is
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  Speaker 2: when I started to characterize my like have these different
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  Speaker 2: personalities that I would talk to, which sounds completely insane,
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  Speaker 2: which probably it is, But those relationships that I developed
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  Speaker 2: with my mind allowed me to create this pact with them.
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  Speaker 2: So when I started tuning in, I'd be like talking
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  Speaker 2: to my teenager. Hey, come and sit with me and
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  Speaker 2: help me do this. You love magic, so this is
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  Speaker 2: something for you. And my little girl, the you know,
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  Speaker 2: like my inner child. She would be sitting here on
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  Speaker 2: my lap as well, Hey, come and do this. It'll
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  Speaker 2: be fun. So I was talking to them, and what
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  Speaker 2: I noticed is because my psychic abilities, they're always on
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  Speaker 2: the left side, so I establish where things are, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm creating my own universe. As magicians, this is what
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  Speaker 2: we're ultimately meant to be doing, understanding and seeing our
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  Speaker 2: universe so we can create and manipulate it for our
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  Speaker 2: own will, right, So I was doing it with psychic abilities,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: So my psychic abilities are here, and then the rest
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: of my mind is here. And what I noticed is
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the more I acknowledged the mind during readings, the more
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the mind would work with me and be quiet. So
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: if my mind's having a tantrum going, oh my god,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you're going to tell them something they don't like. They're
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: going to hate you, I can talk to that part
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of the mind. The mind isn't projecting the information onto
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the psychic information that's coming through and trying to manipulate
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: it instead, because I've developed the relationship, I'm the middleman.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So the mind's telling me, I'm afraid if you say that,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: they'll hate you. And I can say to my mind, Hey,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: it's okay, we're safe. I got this. We're going to
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: deliver it in a really gentle, non judgmental way. Okay,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: are you all right with that? So I'm having these
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: conversations with my mind, and my mind will sit down
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and be like, oh, okay. Then I can come back
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and the psychic information is so clear and it's not
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: being tainted by the projection of not being liked. So
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: this is like the systems that I teach my students
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: is you need to see the shadow parts of yourself,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: like the parts that are afraid to be seen or
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: hated or judged or like, all of that sort of
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: stuff needs to be acknowledged, because all I'm doing is
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I'm acknowledging the part of myself that is afraid, caring
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: for it, and then going cool. All right, let's come
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: back into the psychic information. And that's what I've learned
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: about how to really get super accurate information. So overall,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this feeds back into what I said at the start,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: where we talk about the journey is inwards, because then
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: it affects the outer The more work I do on myself,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the more of a relationship I develop with myself, the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: more I see myself, the more psychic I become. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it just keeps getting deeper and deeper, and it doesn't
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: seem to end. Doesn't mean it's not an easy thing
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: to do. That's the other thing I tell my students,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: like separating your mind and the psychic intuition, Like it's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: taken me years, like six years to really start to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: master it, but you get evidence of it straight away
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: so it's all about the separation and the acknowledgment of
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: self to access the psychic abilities, and it allows you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to access magic more deeply as well, because then you
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: really understand what you're connecting to but also what it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: impacting because you can see yourself.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry about that, go ahead? Do you think? Go ahead?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: You thing?
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: I was just going to say, it's very interesting, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: I think with the kind of the you know, you
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: don't sound off the mark at all. And in fact,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: I think psychologists kind of talk about how we get
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: stuck where we've had a traumatic experience in that age
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: of our development, right, And so instead of what I
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: was kind of thinking, like, how do I tell that
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: aspect of my mind? Hey, be quiet, I'm doing something
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: you unfolded in in a way like okay, no problem,
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: here we are, And that's much more fruitful. So thank
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: you for sharing that.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: Also on that note, though, what you describe is basically,
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: if you are going through any magical practices, that's partly
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: what not so elaborately they're telling you to do to
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: you have to find a medium between your ego and
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: that inner child.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: And that's actually a beautiful way of doing it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: In my mind, and they just don't tell you that
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: the part about your psychic abilities being upped after you
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: do that. It's like that piece of the puzzle is
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: not spoken about.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I didn't realize that that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: would be the result of this. That's why I put
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: it at the forefront, Like the most important thing I do.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The most important thing I do isn't to further developed
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: my psychic abilities because they're already there. It's like, how
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: can I further do the more work on myself? Like
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: what else do I need to see? What else do
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I need to feel? What else do I need to uncover?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Because I just kept getting the evidence of it. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: now I see it with my students as well. When
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: they come in and they do and they're working with me,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: it's almost immediate. I'm like, okay, let's sit in the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: space and then I'll give them an exercise on how
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: they can acknowledge their mind. And then they get the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: information and I'm like, there you go, there's your evidence.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: So it's this beautiful relationship where you're almost you're rewarded instantly.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So I think this is how the universe and magic
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: itself is good. Magic is tricking you to look deeper
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: inside and then you will be rewarded for that experience.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: And it's the same with psychic abilities.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: They did have some questions already. H I got this one.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Like fred or I see question. The Unfortunate famously said,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you cannot influence your environment until you detach from it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Any thoughts experience on how this plays out in psychism.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Wow, what an amazing question. Yes, definitely, Yes, such a
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: good question. I love it. Yep, this is awesome. This
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is what I call creating separation. So before when I
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: was speaking about the mind and how it works and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: creating those relationships with it, a lot of the times
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: our persona and our identity or our persona itself, we're
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: very identified with it and what that means. It can
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: be if we're identified with something so intensely we can't
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: actually see it. So for an instance, I'll use myself
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: as an example. What I didn't realize is that I
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: was in a constant state of fear due to how
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I grew up in my experiences, I was always idolizing,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: idling on some level of fear and anxiety and at
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: times terror without even realizing it. Because for me to survive.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: My coping mechanism was to suppress fear, so then if
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I'm in a state that's dangerous, the suppression is so severe,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I won't actually know that I'm in danger. When I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: started doing this work, one of the questions I started
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to observe was when am I actually afraid? What this
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: did was it allowed me to start to really observe
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the fear that I couldn't see. Because I started to
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: question and observe, I then started to create separation. This
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is why I was curious about your observation. Ethan observation
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: allows me to create separation from that fear, and therefore
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm no longer identified with it. I'm still experiencing it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I still know it's there, but instead of me being
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the fear, the fear is something that I'm observing, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I feel that this technique of creating separation allows me
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to see the fear when it's activated, to know that
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: it's actually there to bring me into reality. But I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: now have new information because I'm not identified with it
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and I can see it, I can create separation from it,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: so I can change my reality because now I have
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: choice on how I interact with that fear how I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: care for it, what it's connected to, and what the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: need is. And I feel like this is what she
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: was referring to with how do we create separation from
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: our reality to manipulate it. We need to see and
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: be in reality.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: First.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Our reality is actually our mind and what our mind
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: has convinced us of. So you don't actually really understand
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: your reality until you see what your mind has convinced
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you is. Then you can remove that layer and you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: can actually see what the reality really is. So my
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: mind was telling me a reality where I wasn't afraid,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: but the truth is I was. So this connects it
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to the body. So the body is the thing that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: actually gives you the truth. And this is the thing
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: that we disconnect ourselves from the most in this world
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: because we live in a very avoidant world where the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: mind is dominant. So magic actually allows us to come
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: back to the body, see what the truth is, create
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: separation from the mind. And then when the mind is
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: telling us a story, we have a choice. Do I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: believe this, do I create separation from it, and do
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I choose something different? Do I choose something from a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: reality that is real? And then I am actually changing it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: This is magic. Question.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: I do have a question for you.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Is that why you said the more trauma you have,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: the more psychic you could become, is due to the
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: fear that you're suppressing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is such an interesting I love that
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you brought that in. This is really fascinating. So due
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to my work, So like I've read for thousands of
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: people and what I have learned because I'm in the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: spiritual magic psychic community, there's an array of different types
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of personalities and people. The common theme for people in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: this community is powerlessness. The experience of powerlessness usually comes
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: from some form of trauma.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So I've said that's really cool.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Not to interrupt, but I've even said on the show,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm not getting anybody, because I'm sure it has
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: me included. I think a lot of people that get
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: into this stuff it's because they feel that they're powerless
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and they're looking for a way to have power.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: That seems that's wrong with behavior.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: That's that's why I can That's why I loved magic,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: because I want, like, my pursuit for power has been
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: never ending. I've just the way I see power now
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: is very different.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, that's something that changed for me
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: from the beginning to where it is now totally different,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: totally different.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So coming back to your question, because what I've known,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: what I've worked out for myself, and it's always me first,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: like I do it myself on myself before I discover
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it in people. This is where you know psychic abilities
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: meet science because I fully believe that there's two different
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: types of psychic awareness. There's the psychic information that's outside
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: save the astral realm, and then there's the psychic information
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that's coming from the body itself. So that means psychic
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: abilities are actually connected to the nervous system. My body
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: feels before my mind thinks, So therefore my body is
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: actually a radar that is picking up on so much
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: information all of the time. When we experience trauma, it
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: creates a hyper sensitivity in the body. So if you
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: experience violence or anything really intense, even emotional abuse is
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: just as impactful. It means you're in a state of hypervigilance.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: You're trying to learn how to keep yourself safe with
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: whatever abilities you have available. So when you're a kid,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: your abilities are what can I sense? For me, I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: was I almost died when I was born. I was
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: born premature, and then I was put in an incubator,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: so I had almost no human contact for a long time.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: People around me were in a state of fear, and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what was coming on because I like
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I had to sense my environment. So I was already
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: put into a very hypervigilant situation where my nervous system
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: was trying to get as much information. So I was
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: born to be psychic from the trauma I experienced. When
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you grow up in an environment where you're afraid, you're
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: hyper vigilant of the people around you because you're trying
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to keep You're trying to understand if you're safe or not.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: So you're reading people's moods, the changes of energy in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the air, sounds, emotions. You are trying to pick up
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: as much information as you possibly can to be safe.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So this is psychic awareness, but out of whack, out
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: of balance. So the gifts are already there because you're
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: already hyper vigilant and sensitive to your surroundings. Because all
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: being psychic is is the deepest state of listening available.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So if you're in a state of danger, you are
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: listening with every single sense that's available to you and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you're training yourself to be that way. The problem this
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: is with trauma, there's a disconnection from the body. So,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: because when you're little, you can't process those emotions, disconnection
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a sever so we go up into the astral. We
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: go up here somewhere we're disconnected from the body, and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the body holds onto the emotion. So a lot of
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: psychics will be amazing at the astral, but when it
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: comes connecting to the other half of their abilities, they
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: can't do it. They can't connect into the body, which
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: means the earth realm's missing, which means you can't ground
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: what's happening in the astral. You can't pull it into
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the earth realm, so it just ends up being airy fairy,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: half manifested information. So this is why just because you're
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: psychic doesn't mean you can ground those abilities. What you
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: have to do first is you really have to get
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a deep understanding of the trauma that you've experienced and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: what it's done to your mind. Because the mind's in
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the middle. The mind stops you from coming into the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: body because it doesn't want you to experience those feelings
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: that you couldn't process when you were little. So it's
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a double edged sword, because if you want access to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: those incredible abilities and gifts in a grounded way, in
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a sustainable way, in a way that doesn't make you
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: go into psychosis, you need to do the inner work
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: on yourself and take responsibility for what's happened to you.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And that's fucked up because it's not your fault that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it happened. It's a fucked experience. But what you will
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: get in return is you will be able to get
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: access to those gifts that have always been there. So
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it depends. The question is if you're listening to this
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and you want to be more magical, more psychic, the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: real question is how badly do you want it? How
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: much do you want to see yourself like how much
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: are you willing to see it in the tension and
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the pain that you've experienced that you couldn't process when
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you're little. That's the deeper question with this.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I would even say, I think like as a magician,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: for me, I did a lot of shadow work, and
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I think when you really if you really want to
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: look at how you actually work and tick, you'll realize
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that most people are all kind of the same in
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a certain way. But I think if like, where I'm
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: getting at is, like, you know, sometimes I think people
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: will have experiences and maybe authentic, but then decide to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: be you know, pieces of shit about it. And where
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I'm getting at it is that I think if you
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: really learn yourself really well, you'll know exactly how everybody
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: else works. And I think and I think that can
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: help if you're trying to be a good person helping people,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: or you could turn it and you know, have a cult.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, yes to all of that. The
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: thing that I've noticed is we are and this is
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a pretty cliche thing to say, and obviously you've had
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: an experience of this, and I'm sure because everyone here
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is really intelligent too. You notice that things happen in patterns,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and it's the same with magic. There is a pattern
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to everything, there's an alphabet to everything. And so this
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: is where my job gets easier because I've identified the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: patterns of the mind. There's like I'll hear a phrase
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that's that pattern, or that that's
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that pattern. But I've noticed that, yeah, people they're very textbook.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The more unconscious we are, the easier the pattern is
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to see, and the more we fall into the pattern
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and the more unconscious we are to the pattern itself.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: But we think we know, but we don't. And I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: mean that's me included. I am still uncovering things about
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: myself where I'm like, oh my god, Okay, all right,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: let's look at that. So it's really it's really confronting work.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: But people are very textbook. We are not special or individual.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: We are all the same. We just need to admit it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: The only difference is some people have the thoughts in
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: their head and sometimes they thought leave their mouth.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That's my difference between some people.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Really, you know what I'm saying, Like, some people are
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: the same, they just keep it in a little bit
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: better than others.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But even even that, even that, like even that, I'm
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, I know what, I know what you're thinking.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: He made sure he paid for that one. Because it
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: might get controversial. I think it's kind of I'm like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: never know what somebody might say about that person. M
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: what's your thoughts on till Swan? You have nothing to say?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, my thoughts on till Swan. Oh that's an interesting question. Look,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I honestly feel I feel like till Swan is quite
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: a controversial character. So I think, and I think it's
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it's definitely layered. With till Swan, I have an appreciation
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: for the work that she's done because I really think
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: she's looked at the psyche in a deeper way, in
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a non conventional way, because I feel like with conventional psychology,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: like I'm probably getting getting in trouble with this with CBT.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: CBT is that right, cognitive behavioral therapy, it very much
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: stays in the mind, and we miss the emotional components
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and the body, like the somatic experiences. And what I
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: feel with Til is she's gone deeper with the psyche
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and she's connected deeper elements that traditional therapy doesn't always connect.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: She's controversial because I feel like she speaks into things
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that people are afraid to speak of. So I can
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: very much relate to that with my job because I'm
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: constantly telling people very confronting things, Like I've had a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: couple of clients where I've had to say, Hey, if
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you don't do something about this, you're going to die.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I think she said the same thing, like she's speaking
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: into people being in such a state of shutdown that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: suicidal thoughts are coming in, and she's speaking into something
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that's not being spoken about that needs to be acknowledged,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: because until you acknowledge it, you can't care for it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Our society is so avoidant of emotion. It's afraid to
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: explore these very controversial themes. So I think it's important
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to talk about it because we don't want people to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: go down that pathway. We want to be able to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: care for it. But it has to be acknowledged first
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: before you can do something about it. Because the problem
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: is it's dismissed, and when it's dismissed, that's when it
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: manifests and it gets worse. That's why I'm like, you
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: need to acknowledge the mind constantly, otherwise it's going to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: take over. It's going to get worse. Where I think
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Teal falls out or where I think she's a out
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: of a bit of out of balance, and I feel
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: nervous saying this. I feel that the way that Teal
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: has structured her community, she's at the very top now.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: One of the most beautiful gifts that I've ever been
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: given is my best friend Delma. Because we don't compete
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: with each other, we care about each other deeply, and
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: we're constantly lifting each other up and supporting each other's goals, purposes,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: life like everything, and we also call each other out
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: on our shit, Like she keeps me grounded, level headed.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: She doesn't let me get my head get too big
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: and think that I know everything just because I'm psychic.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Like she's just an incredible person and I have that
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful for it because it keeps me
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: humble and grounded and keeps me curious. And I'm not
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: thinking that I'm a guru. So with till I think
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: because she's at the top because she's so incredibly intelligent,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: which she is, like she's done some incredible work, but
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: she doesn't have that person that's with her that's on
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the same level, because there's a sense of I'm the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: one that knows everything. I'm very smart, and I've had
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: to do that because I have to keep myself safe,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: so I need to know more than everyone else. And
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: this is a trauma response too, with the trauma she's experienced.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: That's it in that's it presenting itself. This is my
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: personal opinion, by the way, like I'm sure other people
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: have other opinions. So what I feel is lacking with her.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: What I think could help her grow further. Is having
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: someone that meets her on her level that she doesn't
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: think she knows more then that she can listen to,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that she can take feedback from. That's what I think
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: is missing. And the reason I think that is because
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that I have that has helped me
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: grow so incredibly fast. Because someone is calling me out
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: on my shit, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, So that's
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: that's my opinion of til Swan and this, Like we
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: all we're all human, we're all not perfect, We're all
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: going to have flaws. It's when we put people on
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: pedestals that it all falls down. So I think she
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: done some incredible work. There's always room for improvement.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's well said. Thank you, Ray.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: What's your opinion? What do you guys think of her?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know probably enough to have an opinion honestly
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: with her stuff.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: It's just from what I've heard.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Whenever I hear people bring up her name, just to
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: my experience, it's normally not in a positive sense, believe
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: it or not.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: So that's all. What about you, Judith?
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Literally this is the first time I'm hearing about.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Her, So, yeah, I don't I don't know much about
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: her either, but I think Ray, you know that she's intelligent,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: but there's some things that are out of environment.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, Yeah, and I and look, that could be me too.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm always saying, you know, look the way you
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: did that, I don't think that was great. I'll be like, oh,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: tell me more, and I mean it's stings, getting feedback stings.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: But then I'm like, no, I need to see it,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: tell me what it is so I can work on it,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: so I can be better at what I'm ultimately trying
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to do. So I think, ultimately, as humans, the most
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: important thing we can learn is to not take things
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: personally and to get curious with feedback. Why is that
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: information coming in? What is it about that that I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: need to hear?
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: That actually brings up a question I have for you
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: when you're dealing with when you're reading for people, is
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: that one of the most biggest blockage is not being
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: susceptible to criticism or suggestions to change a certain character.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's such an amazing question. I don't
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: think anyone's asking anything like that before. I'd say, yes,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: not being able to take feedback Fox, you you can't
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: crow and then the other thing that I've noticed there's
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: two types. Well, there's three types of people, and this
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: is a generalization. One the person that blames themselves. Two
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: the person that blames everyone else. Three the person that
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: does a bit of both. The person that blames everyone else,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: there's nowhere to go because if you blame everyone else,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you can't take responsibility for your life. You can't take
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: responsibility for how you're interacting in the world, you can't
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: take responsibility for your reality. So if you're wanting to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: be a magician or a psychic, if you blame everyone else,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: if you blame all the courses you've done off, you
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: blame the teachers, or you know, if you're constantly doing that,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: there's nowhere for you to access your gifts. So the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: people that blame themselves are probably probably have the hardest
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: trauma to work through because it's like they need to
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: look at themselves and they've spent their whole life blaming
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: everybody else. So there is a lot of charmic value
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: in that because when they turn back to themselves and go, oh,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: maybe it was me, then they see what they've done
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and how they've behaved and how they haven't taken responsibility
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and how that's impacted them and other people around them.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: So that's probably the hardest thing to see, is people
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: that blame everyone else for everything.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, so you can always change.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It is true. There's always a chance to change. Man,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that's a good thing about it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Did you want to get into, uh, maybe a little
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: bit about the experiences and stuff?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: No, you know one thing I wanted to get into
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: before that because you had kind of teetered on it
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: a little bit already. But uh, you also do get
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: kind of into It's something that I've been doing a
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: little bit on the show. You kind of do get
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: into a little bit more science or like I've noticed
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: you've mentioned the nervous system plenty of times, and like
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: you were saying before, I think when you're kind of
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: going through trauma, Yeah, your senses are so heightened that
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I do think that may even be a result of
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: experiences that might be weird. It's because your sentences are
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: so heightened.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Now, Oh my god, Yes, I love this. I love
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: this question. Okay, So can I tell you about why
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I think people experience intense psychic and magical phenomenon I've
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: pronounced that correctly. Sometimes I can't say that word right.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you about that? Why I think people
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: have these really intense supernatural experiences and this has also
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: happened to me. I'll probably tell you what happened because
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: it was absolutely incredible, but also why it happened. So
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: what I've learned, So we have stuff like spiritual psychosis
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: or even just psychosis. Spiritual psychosis is another whole level.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: And I feel what happens when you're having a really
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: intense supernatural experience or psychic experience or magical experience that
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: isn't grounded, that hasn't been worked up to, that happens
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: like suddenly. What's actually happened is you are in an
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: intense state of probably fear, even terror or horror. Terror
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and horror are different. Horror is things that happen inside
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the body. Terror is things that happen outside the body.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: When you go into these fear states, the mind can't
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: process the fear. So what happens is we disconnect from
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the body. So when we disconnect from the body, we're
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: going into the mental, and if we're spiritual, we'll go
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: into the astral. Now, usually when you're experiencing these types
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: of fear states there is an inherent belief already there
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: that you can't trust humans. So when you can't trust humans,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: you're looking for something beyond the human experience to connect to,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to regulate, to feel safe, to feel reassured. So, of course,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: what happens when you go up into the astral you're
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a beacon of bright light. You're like, oh my god, something,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: come talk to me, find me, help me, save me.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: What happens, whatever's around sees it and is drawn to it,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and then you can have a supernatural experience and then
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, this just happened. How did
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that even happen? And then the symptom of this is
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: what goes up must come down. It's like taking a
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: bunch of drugs. You know, you go up and then
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you crash. So it's the same thing. You went up
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: too fast, too quick, without the right experience, knowledge and
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: information of what even you're going into. So this is
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: why the experiences can be varied too, because you don't
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: even know where you're going. There's no map. You're just
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: in a state of fear, like just get me out
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: of here. So then you crash back down into the
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: body and then you'll let like, so it's like crashing,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: so you feel the heaviness, the intensity, the energetic disruption
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: of from going up into that realm back into the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: earth realm. So it's like you probably go into shop,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: you feel terrible depression, you might feel like shaky, like
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: all those different types of system symptoms that happen when
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you crash back into the body. So that's a really
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: good way to know, because you feel really dysregulated when
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you land. But this is what I've come to because
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: of the people telling me experiences, tuning into it energetically
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: connecting to the things that they've talked to, but also
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: my own personal experience too.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Which actually that would make the trauma, the original trauma
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: even worse, would you say, because you don't know technically,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: they did this on their own, no training, so they
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: didn't even know they did it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: They were just looking for an escape. They rush up there.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Don't know what they're going to run into run into,
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: which is not the smartest thing to do if you're
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: dealing with the spiritual And when they come crashing down,
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: they're in a worse state, which makes the original problem
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: worse than it was before.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, you are so right, I didn't even think about
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it like that too. And what else comes in with
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: that is there's this association, there's this unbalanced association with
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the spiritual world and it will save me. So how
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: that will manifest and play out in just the general
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: earth realm is people get obsessed with like telling and
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: being up here and everything's fine because they're so disconnected
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: from their reality and I'm in the five dau all
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: that crap. The more they go on with that stuff,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you know that they're very severely disconnected from their physical
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: experience and they can't process what's really happened to them.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: This is the things that this is what's not spoken
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: about in the spiritual community. This is why it's dangerous.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: This is why cult leaders are dangerous because they'll feed
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: into that you're special. Yeah, you're contacting your special and
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: pushes them more into their delusion, which ultimately is not
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: good for your mental health. And we've seen it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: Also with that also they're feeding into and that Sometimes
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: it's not a cult leaders. Sometimes it's just not knowing friends.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Sometimes we'll do that unknowingly, not understanding that that could
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: push somebody into a literal psychosis.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: And the basically.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, yep. This is a big This is like a
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: really big problem in the spiritual and magical community, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I've seen it a lot. It's like the wounded healer
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: complex is where people are like, I can heal you trauma,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I can take the entity away from you, I can
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: like all that sort of stuff, but they have no
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: real understanding of the nervous system. They're not trauma informed.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: They don't understand what they're getting into because they haven't
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: done the work on themselves. And even I'm like, I'm
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: not a healer. I'm not going to heal you trauma.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to take away from you. Here are
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: professionals that you can work with. But in this space,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: we have a lot of people that are making these
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: claims that they can do all these things, and it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: actually hurting the community. So there you go.
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: No, no, I was going to ask, so, in your opinion,
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: along with teaching the spiritual work, they would behoove us
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: or anybody who teaches magic to include the nervous system,
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: the bodily functions, what you may what to look out
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: for within your physical body, not just the spirit, what
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: you might feel spiritually or think you feel spiritually.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Judith, I love that you're bringing this in.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I love it. This is how I approach it. So
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I'm very educated in it, but I'm not a professional,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: so I bring a professional in. So the professional I
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: bring in is Thelma, who's my business partner and my
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: closest friend because she's trained in holistic counseling and that
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: type of work. So even in my course, the online
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: group training, she's in the Facebook group, she actually comes
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: in one of the sessions and she lets people express
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: what's happening in their body and what's happening with their
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: emotions and how to deal with it. And she's available
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: to care for those needs when they come in. So
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it means that I can stay in my own lane.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I can purely folk. I just want to focus on
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: into wish in psychic development and magic. That is what
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I that's my gift. So I'm not trying to go
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: into the other lane and go I'm a therapist too. Instead,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to bring a resource in for you.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: So if that's coming up for you, here's where you
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: can go. Because she's the one that taught me about
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the nervous system. She's the one that helped me ground
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: what was happening to me psychically and spiritually. She bought
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: that in for me and gave me that understanding and
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: then help me embody it through my own experiences. So
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I just bring in prospect professional people that can do it,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: and I think this is something else that's lacking in
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: the community, Like we have such incredibly talented people around
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: us that we go into this. I need to be
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the expert of everything. I need to do every single cause, no,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: find out what your purpose is, what do you love,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: what's your gift? Focus on that and then find someone
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: else that's incredible at that and bring them in build
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the community. That's That's what I feel about that. That's
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: what I've done, and the benefits of it are incredible
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: because I'm not competing with anyone. I'm like, who can
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I work with that loves the thing that they do
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and let's let's do it together because it's fun. Do
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: it do it that way? That's what I think. What
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: do you reckon?
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Totally different? No, I was even thinking just comparing it
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to the podcast.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I mean with the people that I bring on O,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: everybody's got their own little niche. I don't know at all.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: That's why I got other people on the show with me,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: plain and simple.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: And in practicing tai chi, I always tell people it's
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: so much easier to influence the mind through the body
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: rather than influence the mind through the mind. Right, so
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: going going through the body is actually much more possible
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: using the mind to counter mind, it's the diabolack. I
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: feel like that doesn't work out too often.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I love that you brought touch in, you know.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: I was thinking about trying to answer your question about
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: observing as eloquently as you've spoken on psychic observations. One
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: thing that I do think and I can't well. One
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: thing that I think about is the adage of the
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: wise monkeys, and there is often the three, but there's
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: unsaid fourth too. See no evil, hear no evil, and
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: speak no evil. And these have kind of these exoteric
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: qualities to them, but I think there can be an
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: esoteric quality to them too. And the fourth one is
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: fear no evil and do no evil, and very much
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: reminiscent of this empowerment of getting over the imposed fears
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: from trauma and whatever else our mind is done due
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: to our experiences. It just kind of reminded that adage
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: and the power of fear no evil reminded me of
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: what you were saying about getting over our fears and
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: so on.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've never really connected it like that. That's really
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: interesting that you brought that in. I love how you
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: brought in the three monkeys, like the idea of that,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: because it reminds kind of reminds me of what Judith
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: was saying earlier, like going back and thinking about the
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: layers of things that we're taught. Because the surface level
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: stuff that comes through spirituality, we're like, oh, I just
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: love yourself. That's really surface level. But when you get
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: into it, like the layers that are involved in that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: So when you say fear no evil, hear no evil,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: see no evil, that's really interesting. I'm gonna I would
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: love to just sit with that because my experience has
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: been not seeing it and now seeing it and now
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: having a different relationship with it. What does that mean
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: and how does that relate to those three monkeys? What
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: do you feel? Can I ask you? What do you
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: feel is one of the most life changing things that
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: you have observed about yourself? Not just just a little question,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: just a little tiny question, repeated question again? What is
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: the what's one of the most life changing observations that
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: you've made about yourself, whether it's good or bad.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: That's a stop you in your tracks, question, isn't it?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: It is a big question, because when I think about it,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, what wouldn't mind me?
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: You know? Maybe many On a positive note, some people
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: might say that I'm disciplined, but I think think merely
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: that I'm steady. So I think steadiness is something that
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: I often embodied that I realize is maybe not not
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: as common as I kind of practice it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: That's actually a really awesome gift I feel because steady.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: When you say steady, it makes me think of consistency
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: like this, this constant move, gentle move for moving forward,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: which I think is like what a lot of people
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: are striving for, that consistency in growth.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: It's nice, But well, are you going to ask you
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: want to ask a question?
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, what do you got? Judith?
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's a loaded questions.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: What was the question? Again?
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: So I know it because obviously I'm next, So let's
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: say it one more time.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: What's what's something that you what's the most profound thing
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: you've observed about yourself? That's changed the way you see yourself.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I have to think about that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Is it too much of a question?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: No?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: No, well just I don't know, maybe just because of
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: my life.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's you have to to put it
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: in words. Is to actually commit to it in such
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: a way that sometimes even though you know it, it's
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: hard to.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: My aspect is giving too much.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: Where I'm realizing I've spread myself too thin, and I
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: started to retract back and saying, Okay, I need to
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: prioritize and no.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: The word no, I response when you say that, because
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: that tells me that you are coming into a space
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: of learning how to nurture and care for yourself.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: Everyone, well, oldest of self, of kids, and all you
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: do is give, give, give, and I do. Although I
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: don't have any children, I have that automatic mothering reflex.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: But just because you have that mother and reflex doesn't
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: mean you do for everybody. So the last couple of years,
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: a lot of people have heard that word from me
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: and they've been shocked.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I love that. That's a that's huge, big, it's big.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: That's a big thing to realize. Beautiful. I love it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: What you got, Nick, You're.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Gonna be like, there's something's wrong with this, dude, Say
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: give me the question one more time. I just want
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: to make sure the answer have my head even fits
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: because it's so far.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: What do you feel? I'm so curious about some of
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: you experiences. What you feel is something that you've observed
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: about yourself that's changed your life?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Well, all, right, observed about myself, I was gonna say,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: And I think this kind of gets it, kind of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: answers that. But just like in a different, different angle,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: maybe there was times when I eventually I had certain
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: I guess magical experiences that had changed the whole way
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I even looked at my existence or this reality, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: I had to completely basically define what this is and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: who I am. And I think even at that time
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: is when I even finally found out what my will
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: even was, so you know, so like it was like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: that kind of like all happened at once, Like I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: just had an experience that put me and it shifted
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: my whole world. And for some reason, I feel like
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I knew what I'm supposed to do now too.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I guess, Wow, that's that's amazing.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: But like the thing was is like I had to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: look at myself completely different now, So I mean, I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: guess that whole experience because the way I view everything now,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I'm just viewing myself completely different in the reality and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: what's going on.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Very cool. I want to ask more, but I don't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: know if you want to show.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: No, no, that's fine, No, no, no, I've gone into
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I've gone into this stuff plenty of times on the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: show in the past, not recently too much.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so what happen can what happened?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: All right? It's happened to me four times.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: And the reason I could say like it's been four
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: times is because when I've had this experience, it's literally
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: been like the same Unfortunately Ethan's probably heard this ten times,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: but it's it's been the same, uh, the same visual
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: experience that I'll have with my eyes closed meditating. Until
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I have the experience, it is always like clockwork, and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: it normally will start off or like I'm like kind
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: of a deep meditation. And you know, I don't know
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: if this is just because it worked out the way
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: it did because of how I used to practice a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: lot in the past. But when I used to meditation,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: I just I had like a certain kind of set
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: of things that I would do. I would kind of
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: like visualize I'm sure a lot of people know this,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: really visualize.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: The light coming in and going down, kind of grounding
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: yourself this and that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Then I'd focus on chakras and try to I think
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: I the Wheels of Time by Judith McCarthy, and I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: could be.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Wrong her name. I was like, I used one.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Of her like kind of like meditations to kind of
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: align your chakras. I thought it worked pretty cool for me.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: So I would do like certain things, breath work. I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: would do a lot of stuff to get myself like
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: really into like kind of a deep meditation. And I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: had noticed at times seed to sound crazy, I'd push
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: on my pineal gland really hard, and it made it
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: look like whatever, Like you know, like when it gets
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: black and it gets dark after a while because you
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: were meditating and really not focusing on the outside anymore.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: I just feel like it's a lot darker than it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: was when you first closed your eyes. That's how I feel.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: When I would press on the pineal gland, it would
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: almost look like like an oil slick was showing up
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: on a black dusty board, Like it got darker than
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: it ever would ever been before, like it almost looked
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: like it was like that as I was pressing and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: I noticed it, and I was like, wow, that's weird.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: So I did it again as I was trying to meditate.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: And I started doing it, and then all of a sudden,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: I would notice like this little pin dot it would
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: almost look like a little star all the way out
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: on the back of like almost like black clouds. It's
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: like really hard to explain to me, this little dot,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: and I'd focus on it and I'd be pushing on
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: my pineal gland harder, and then all of a sudden,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: it would look like it would start to come closer.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: And as the star came, it's like a little bit
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: of the blackness from the outside that I'm that's like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: kind of there. It's like really deep. It actually looks
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: like as crazy as it sounds, like this space like
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: it almost looks like this actually literal space, and a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: little bit of the blackness looks like it swirls in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: front of the white light. And then it turns into
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: this gigantic eclipse, and then I got this big.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Some people may say it's the black Sun.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a white lunar looking eclipse, and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: then all these spirals will start coming out of it.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: If I just no, no, before that happens, if I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: just sit there and focus and keep pushing on my
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: panal glen whole time I'm pushing on my pano glen,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it looks like these like almost
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: like explosions are happening around it. It's like yellow and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: kind of like a little bit of red and kind
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: of like light colored yellow. And then it will change
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: and all stuff to look like it's red. But then
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: it almost looks like roses like bursting open and blooming
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: around the eclipse. And then that will go away, and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: I'll just start getting this whole rainbow looking tunnels spiraling
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: out of it, and that will just like it almost
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: looks like it's like vibrating, like looking at a record,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: down at a record and looking at the needle where
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: the needle will go, it's like. And then that changes,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: it goes into like sacred geometry shapes, and it's like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: through like like literally flying out of the sides of
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: the eclipse at me. And then it gets still after that,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you start getting these windows.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: That's the best thing I could describe it as it
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: almost looks like a rectangle on the side. I try
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: to explain it like if you were standing in a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: subway platform and you had subway cars going down you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: both on the both side, and it was going really slow,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: and all you saw was the windows. It would kind
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: of look like these floating windows like I have on
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: my logo. It looks like movie reels coming out of
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: an eclipse. It's to represent those squares that I've seen,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: and they look like cellophane. It looks like it has
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the Sepia effect where it's kind of like brownish tinge
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: but it looks like it's like you're kind of looking
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: through like a cellophane window.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: It's like really weird.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: And it's like all different looks, like different scenes, different
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: places or something that will go for a minute, and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: if I don't really focus on any of those things,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: and I just let them keep going because I've actually
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: got kind of interested at one of them, looked at
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: her for a while, and then I came right out
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: of it, so I didn't have a blast it off,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: but I let them go, and then.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: It's just the outer clips. It's just hovering there.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: It's like so fucking ominous, and then the black sphere
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: starts to pull up and you start to get that
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: crescent look that you see on a lot of lunar
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: gods tops of their heads, where the crescent is actually
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: like this like like this big glowing, fucking white grin
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: in your face. And then it starts to spread completely off,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: and as soon as the black sphere comes away from
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: the white one, it like shoots right at me. It
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: feels like I get shot in the head, and then
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: I feel everything in my body start rushing up, and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: then like literally like I'm blowing my load out of
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: the top of my head.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, every like I start
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: like almost like it's almost like the Book of Enoch
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: where he's talking about like you start seeing like yourself
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: rising up, and I literally start feel like I'm getting
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: stretched across everything and I'm just like part of the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: fabric of like whatever I'm in. And then from there
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: on it's like I just get snapshots, and I swear
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: to God, it like looks like I'm going out out
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: of space, and it just like takes.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Me all the way out there.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: And then like every time I'll be like I'll start
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: to think and be like, oh, I wonder where I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: am and what I'm doing and what you know, what
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: do I look like or something like that, And as
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: soon as I think of myself, I'm done, gone shoot.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Right back in my body.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: And that was a long, intense story, Bode, Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Not at all. I was fascinating when you're telling me
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: that it feels like it feels like you're experienced. I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, it feels like there's an element of experiencing time.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: And then also the creator, like the eclipse is the creation.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: And even as you're saying like it's smiling at you that,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, because the universe is always
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: making fun of me all the time. Anytime I talk
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: to guides, any spirits, they always make fun of me
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and they're always having this sarcastic joke and laughing at me.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And even like I've had conversations with like Lucifer and
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: he laughs at me every time He's like, oh, you're
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: looking a bit shit today, ha ha, And I'm like what, Like,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: they always laughing at me all the time. So I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: resonate so much with that because it's like you're connecting
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: to I don't know, source energy, whatever you want to
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: call it, and it's smiling at you. It's like mocking you.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: It's like ha ha, you know.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: And then the craziest thing though that I don't I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: want to make sure I add and I've said it too.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure Ethan has heard this. I don't know if
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: I've ever said this to Judith, but every time that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: happens and I open up my eyes. This is going
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: to sound crazy, but it's like I start getting this
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: flow of information in my head and I start knowing
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: things that I didn't know prior.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: It's really fucking weir or like even a cult symbolism.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: It's almost like somebody puts out like all.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: These these pieces, like I'll literally see like a tarot
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: card and like something off the cabala and this and that,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: and then it all gets like kind of like put together,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, holy shit, I see how that all
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: connects now that I never looked at it before. And
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: every time this happens, my one eye dilates and my
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: other pupil blows up.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: So I even get a physical response to it too.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: You know what that when you say that, it like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: what I want to say back is it feels like
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: you already knew everything. It's just you remove yourself from
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: the equation so that you could see it. Because the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: evidence like every time you thought of yourself, every time
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: you thought of your body, you like put back into
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: your body so quickly and you're taken out of the experience.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: So it's your it's you that blocks that information. So
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: you've been like it's like you've been able to move
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: yourself out of the way. Yeah, so that you can
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: access this realm. It's really really fascinating.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: I kind of looked at it like in a cabalistic
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: sense where it was like, you know, you know, you
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: did say something like the creator, and it's like if
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I did somewhat absorb into some sort of like all
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: consciousness as soon as I think of myself, I've just
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: separated myself from it.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Souse, That's probably why I ended up waking up,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: because now I'm that part of all that. I've just
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: separated myself again and I've taken myself away from it.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, so fascinating. What comes to mind, like have you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: ever have any of you ever invoked the Aggregor of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: magic and just spoken to the Egregor of magic itself.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I did it a little while ago, and it reminds
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: me of your experience of the big It wasn't an eclipse.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: It was this big ball of like it was like
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I think it was green and blue and really fuzzy,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: And it reminds me of that because when I was
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: connecting to it, I just saw this big ball, energetic ball,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: like coming towards me like this and so slowly, like
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it was gonna overwhelm overtake me. That's kind of what
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: it reminded me of. But it's an interesting thing to do,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: to experiment with connecting with the consciousness of magic itself.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's something that you sort of did
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: in that with the information that was coming in.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it was definitely it was definitely wild
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, it's yeah.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: And I will even say, like when you were kind
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: of mentioning before about when you're kind of helping these
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: people make sure they're in the right mindset prior to
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: these rituals they take on. From my opinion, because there
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: were certain things that we talked about that I was like, Yeah,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: that was me. I did do a lot of shadow
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: work before I had these experiences thank God, because I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: do actually think that sometimes if you have these experiences,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: that shadow work is what's going to save your ass
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: from going crazy when you have to deal with.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: After the fact.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: It's going to help you get to the experience, but
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: you better make sure you're good for afterwards or you're
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: gonna lose your shit because fear. Because you mentioned before
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: there was a time when the last time that I
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: did it, I mean it really like there was just
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: certain things I was like really shattering my perceptions of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: reality that I was like basically everything I believed was
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: a lie. If I'm gonna actually believe what I saw
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: and felt, which seemed more real than anything I've actually
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: ever experienced. All these experiences actually seemed more real than
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: actual real life. It was so insane, so like for me,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: like that was almost like I felt like I was
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: staring into insanity and it was freaking me out so
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: much that I actually felt like I was starting to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: let go again, like when you were saying before, like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: could you actually project yourself out of yourself because of
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: the fear, because I was really confronting with like, holy fuck,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: this world is not what I thought it the fuck was,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: and that like shattered me. And I really do wonder
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: now when you were explaining that, because like I had
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: said that, I thought I was just slipping back out
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: of him because that's what I just did. But for
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: all I know, it was actually the terror and the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: fear that was actually like really fucking me up afterwards,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: because it was all admitted it did fuck me up
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: that last time.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've had a similar experience to what you're describing,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: but I called it experiencing the grid, and I don't
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: know what happened. I was really angry and I was
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: doing ritual work and I'm like fuck this, and I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I was halfway through a ritual.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: This is quite a long time ago, so I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really realize what I was doing, and I went into
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  Speaker 2: this astral space where the visual that comes to mind
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: is always you know the episode of The Simpsons where
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: he experiences space, but it's like on a grid, like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: it's the like mathematical grid. I can't and it's like
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  Speaker 2: physics and stuff like that. I can't kind of remember
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  Speaker 2: the exact.
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  Speaker 6: Episode Checkerboard with the vortex in the middle of eventually
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  Speaker 6: that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had this experience where I came out
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  Speaker 2: of my body and all of a sudden, I was
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: in this grid realm and it felt like really cold,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the very matter of fact emotionless, but also very interactive.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: And when I went into this space and I was
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: interacting it with it, what I noticed is I could
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: access any type of information I wanted. I just had
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: to like think about it and then use the grid.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: The grid would bring it up and put it in
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: front of me. And then when I came out of
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: this state, it did something to my mind where I
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: was just like, it took me a month to get
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: over it. I'm like, I don't understand what I've experienced,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and it feels very unsettling because I've just got into
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: this other realm where I can access any type of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: information I want, and it's showing me a mathematical grid.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, and it's emotionless but it's responsive, and I'm like, oh,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not in a humanistic realm. I'm in somewhere else
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't know where I am, but it exists.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: And then coming back to this reality earth rum and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: then going, oh, it's done something to my brain. It's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: changed the perception that I have. So I can relate
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: to that. When you're having those experiences, it does something
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: to our psyche because it's breaking the fantasy that our
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: mind has convinced us of that we exist in. It's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: presenting a new reality. And this is like coming back
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: to how the mind works. A lot of the times,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: the mind is constantly trying to understand and decipher what
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: we're experiencing, and it's not letting us just experience it,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: like it's not letting us feel the feeling. Rather, it's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: just creating a story because it needs to work it out.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And I feel that's what happens a lot of the times.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: We're moving into these non humanistic realities that we haven't
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: been conditioned to. It breaks a part of our psyche
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: as to what the brain believes is real. And then
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: we're left with okay, what now? Then? What does my
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: brain allow me to believe now? And I think with
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of like all of you, this is what
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: I've also learned. I grew up believing that anything is possible.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Like I was really into comics and those magazines that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: you could buy where a baby bat that's a half
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: human was found in a cave, and you know, like that,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: I loved those magazines and was into Egyptology, empayramids and Aliens.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I always grew up with this belief that anything is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: possible and everything is true, which allowed me, I feel,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: to really experience is experience these realities without going completely
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: insane because that belief system was already imprinted in my brain,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: like the possibility that anything is real. So when I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: was experiencing these different realities, the belief is there, so
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: it allows me to access them more easily. My brain
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: isn't coming in and sabotaging it and going this isn't possible,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: this isn't real. What are you doing? You're insane. It's like, oh,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: this is a possibility. Okay, what's happening here? So I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: think that's also why I'm gifted in working with the
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: astral and spirits and other realms. I have that access already,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: and I think the other layer to it because I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: was born and then I was put in a box.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: I was already between worlds because people were like, she's
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: gonna die, she's going to live. So I was in
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: this liminal space already. It's like I was inserted in
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: between the realms. So it gave me this access that
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: are cultivated.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: I have a question.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: I have a question along those lines, because there are
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: some people who come from that experience, because people do
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: share those experiences. So some people come from that experience
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: and they either they're very upset, they're pissed off, or
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: do the fear or they're blissful.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: And do you think it's because either the part.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: There are a certain amount of people that try to
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: put it take that knowledge which they just experience, and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: try to put a fit into the reality they had
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: prior to the experience, and because of that, they may
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: go a little bit insane because it can't fit.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: What par a line of logic?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: What comes up for me when you say that, it's
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: such an interesting question. I love how curious your mind
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: is too, Like you get so curious about things, it's beautiful.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: I would say there's two components to this, and this
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: is looking at the shadow. So I would say, if
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: they are angry, it means that they have invested in
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: a belief system that no longer serves them, and now
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: because they've experienced something outside of that belief system, they
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: need to change and that makes them angry because what
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: they believe is no longer true and they cannot believe
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: in that anymore because it's been disproven. They can't unsee
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: the reality which they've experienced. Now I have to fucking change.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I'm angry, which means they have to take responsibility, because
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: anger is the first emotion that you feel before you
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: feel sad, depressed, lonely. It's the tip of the iceberg.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: If they're happy, it tells me, now this isn't this
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: is a generalization, but if you're looking at from the shadow,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: if they're happy, it tells me that what they've experienced
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: in the earth realm has not been pleasant because they've
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: now had an experience of where they can escape into
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: something else, I can be free. That's why I think
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: they're happy. So I think it is in the shadow
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: if the experiences are in the extreme. So if they
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: are extremely blissed out, like ah, it means that the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: opposite is true. They're actually in a state where they've
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: so severely been able to disconnect from the depression and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: sadness that their body has been whole onto and then
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: they're extremely angry. It means they've disconnected from what is true,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: and now they've been forced to see the truth. So
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: that's what I feel with those two two emotions. What
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: do you think about that?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: I was about to say thank you because I didn't
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: think of it that way. It's like they did the medium.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: That medium ground has not been been found either which
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: way they're not grounded.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, yep, they're not grounded. And how they Yeah, they're
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: in a very ungrounded state. So it means the opposite
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: is true. There's another emotion that they're going to that
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: they're trying to escape from or not feel.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: I wonder if you might share a little bit of
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: your process when you go about doing a reading, if
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: you have a process, or if you just kind of
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: relax And obviously we can't know everything you need, but
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: how do you how do you go about doing reading?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Oh? I love this question. You guys have great, amazing questions.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: I just want to say that, like you just bring
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: in the bring in the gem. I'm happy to share
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: my process. Absolutely, it's what I teach as well, because
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I do engineered my own process of how I read
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: so I could teach students to do it. There's there's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: four components to it. So the first component would be
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: the system of self care. So this is the most
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: important part because I need to really make sure I'm
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: healthy mentally, sound stable, physically fit to be able to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: read as accurately as I do, because it's the foundation.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: If I'm not in a good state, i can't read.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: So that's the first process, really taking care of myself.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: The second process is like setting up for the reading itself.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: So what I've learned is I've come to a deep
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: understanding of what makes me more psychic and what doesn't
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: make me psychic. So I've created a process where I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: go through a system that helps me to be in
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: a psychic state. So I've become the master a changing
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: my state. And what this means is because I'm reading
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: full time, like this is my full time job, and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: a reading person after person, I can't wake up angry
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: in the morning and then go to a bunch of readings,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: so I have to have a system in I have
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: to have a system where I'm changing my state so
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: I can come into a very relaxed, grounded, neutral state
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: of being, which means I need to acknowledge my mind
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: which is mental and my physical needs and bring them
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: into say a state of harmony and acknowledgement. So if
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: I wake up angry, stressed, sad, whatever, I have to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: go through a process to change the state to be neutral, grounded,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: ready open. So that's the thing that happens before I
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: do the reading. When I do the reading itself. Now,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: my process of reading when I first started is it's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: very different to what it is now. So I've constantly
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: improved grown developed over time. So someone that saw me
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: maybe six years ago comes and has a reading with
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: me now, it'll be completely different the beholder other story.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: The process that I have now is once I'm in
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: that psychic state, obviously going through the niceties with the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: client connecting with them, I'll get them to confirm the question.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: And sometimes when they give me the question, I'm like,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: that's not the right question, but not to dismiss them.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: It's just like there's a deeper question underneath this that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: will answer more of what you're coming to me for.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: So then I'll tune into the question and then say
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: back to them, how does this sound you and they'll
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: be like, yes, that's it. So what I do then,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: once that's all being confirmed, is I'm energetically connecting to them.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: So what's happening in in here is I first establish
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: where my mind is, so it's all here and the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: little girl. Because my little girl wants to rescue everyone,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: wants everyone to like her, and wants to be friends
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: with everyone. So I have to really watch her because
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: she'll tell everyone everything that everyone wants to hear, which
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: means I'm not telling them the truth. So she's here
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: with me, like sitting here with me, and my angry
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: teenager is here. And there's a couple of other parts
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: of my mind that are in the background, so I
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: really established the connection with them, checking with them, Hey, hey,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: you're doing anyone got any issues. Then there's a psychic self,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: so my guide is always there. He's standing there. So
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: if I ever get in trouble and I don't know
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing, I'm just like, hey, buddy, tell me
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: what to do. I don't know what to do, so
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: I'll establish him. And then lastly there's the observer. So
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: the observer is the part of the mind that I
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: create to observe everything. I need something to be observing.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: If my mind's interfering, projecting information, having an emotional experience,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: if I'm triggered or activated, because that will affect how
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I connect with the psychic information. Once all of this
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: is established. Then what I'm doing is I'm casting a
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: magician circle, so I'm in my psychic astral space, and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: then I'm myself is split, so there's a version of
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: me that's the psychic version, and then there's the version
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: of me that's the person delivering the information. The psychic
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: version of me will draw the circle around myself, and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: as she's doing this, she will tell me all the
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: information about the person and it will be like, dundun this, this, this, this, this, this,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right. Then she draws a line to
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: the other person and then draws a circle around them.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: So there's a few different mechanics in this. I'm settling
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: the mind, acknowledging the mind, establishing the psychic information how
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: it's going to come in that the magician's circle is
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: the protection, and then I'm drawing a line. I'm also
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: protecting my client too with this energetic connection. I'm then
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: moving them into an astral space to read them, so
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I'm moving their subconscious mind into a space that's safe.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: The way psychic information comes through to me is very violent,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: very graphic, and I give my clients a warning about this.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, my mind's really dark, it's really violent. It's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: not a representation of you. It's how I read information
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: because I share with them everything that's coming in because
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's literal, sometimes it's metaphorical, and I don't know
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: the difference. So I'll say, just tell me if this
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: is perhaptually happening, or this is how I'm interpreting it.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm always checking in with the client with the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: information as well. I'm inviting them to be part of
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: the process because I want them to tell me if
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: they think it's inaccurate. So I want them to say, hey,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: that's not right because I've either misinterpreted it, I jump
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: too far ahead sometimes, or I just haven't articulated it
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: in a way that makes sense to them. So I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: get them to say, hey, ray, that's not right. Cool,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: let's go back, let's see what I've missed, and then
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I go through the process of so I talk to
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: their mind, so the most dominant part of their subconscious
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: mind will come forward first, and they're not always nice.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: The subconscious mind is like a war zone. Sometimes the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: mind will want to attack me, hit me, stab me,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: punch me, yell at me, like all these different things
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: that the subconscious mind does. But the way the mind
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: interacts with me is a pattern. It tells me about
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: what the information is. The subconscious mind wants the conscious
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: person to know, Ah, the thing that you're experiencing is
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: connected to this part of the subconscious. And then I'll
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: talk to that part of the mind and work out
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: how long ago that happened. Oh, this happened when you
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: were four because of this and this, and this is
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: what's stuck. This is what's stopping you from doing da
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: da da da da. Then I'm connecting with their spiritual guides,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: so I work out what the problem is, what's really
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: happening from a subconscious perspective, talk to them about how
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: does this feel. Hold space for that, make sure they're
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: okay with the information. I'm very gentle, there's no judgment,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: but I have to be like, I can't always tell
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: everyone everything because some of it's hard to go into
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: and I guess that's a whole other story. But I'm
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: telling I'm always checking in with their guide. Hey, what
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: do you want me to tell them? With what I'm seeing?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: And I say this this, and then later you can
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: bring that in. But it's almost like this process of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: like delivering information where it can be heard, because we
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: all think we want to know the truth. I want
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: the truth. I want to be authentic. But then when
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: you get the truth and you get authenticity, sometimes you're like,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: fuck and I don't want to know that. Get away
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: from me, Go away. And this is why I only
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: do it in a professional setting because people have to
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: pay me to do this. I'm not going to walk
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: around just tell you, because it's not fun anyway. So
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: as I'm giving people information, I'm checking in with their guides.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: So there's usually two or three guides, but there's always
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: one dominant guide. Sometimes people's HDAs will show up to
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: but that's if you're an occultist. I can talk to
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: HDAs and then they tell me stuff as well, but
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: just for general readings, it's usually the guides. And then
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to the guides about the information that they
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: want to tell the person how to tell them, and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: the GUIDs will usually give me something really concrete, like
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: they'll tell me something that's in their house or that
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: they did yesterday, or a phrase they always say to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: really hit it in. So they've got evidence that I'm
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: not full of shit, and so the mind can't push
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: it away, and then it's a process of what's happening emotionally, subconsciously,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: and then the guides are giving the person the practical
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: steps onto how to care for the information that's come
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: up because the reader, like I have warnings all over
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: my website and social media about if you have a
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: reading with me, this isn't an oh my god, am
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: I going to get a boyfriend? This is do you
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: want to know what your true purpose is here and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: how to reach it achieve it? And some people do,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: some people don't. Some people think they do, but then
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: they get the information and they don't. So that's the
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: process that I go through, and there's always a constant
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: co creation. So because I work with a lot of it,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: like I'm a psychic, psychic psychics come see me and say, ray,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: help me see this, I'm also inviting them to be
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: part of it, like what's intuitively happening for you? What
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: are you feeling? What's coming up for you? How does
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: that information land? So it's a very rich, wholesome experience
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  Speaker 2: because I'm including them in it, I'm delivering it in
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  Speaker 2: a way that can be received, so it's not judgmental.
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  Speaker 2: They're not being judged at all, and then their guides
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  Speaker 2: are coming in and giving them very practical information so
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  Speaker 2: that they can apply it in their everyday life, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to give them a bunch of bullshit
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  Speaker 2: where they just go away and say, hey, just love yourself,
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  Speaker 2: you'll be fine, because that's not the reality. Because if
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  Speaker 2: that was the reality, we would have all done it
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  Speaker 2: by now. So that's that's my process. And during this process,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the times, I'll be checking in with
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  Speaker 2: my own mind, so I say to them, hey, you'll
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  Speaker 2: hear me, just say this, Oh, my mind's having an opinion.
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  Speaker 2: So sometimes the information I get activated, or my mind
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  Speaker 2: wants to come in and rescue the person because I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: feel sorry for them for what they've experienced. I want
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: to care for them, but I have to be really
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  Speaker 2: hyper vigilant of that and then care for it and
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  Speaker 2: then come back to only psychic information because I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a therapist and I don't want to give people my
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  Speaker 2: own opinion. I want to purely give them psychic information.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that's generally the process that I go through
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  Speaker 2: when people come to see me, and they can come
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  Speaker 2: and see me for specific things. So sometimes people just
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  Speaker 2: want to talk to their guides, and I'll do that
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  Speaker 2: sometimes mediumship, but I'm not I do mediumship, but it's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: not my specialty. And sometimes they just want to want
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: me to tell them how they can change something in
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: their life.
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  Speaker 3: I find that interesting that you said that you've like
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: with magicians, you'll get there each Yeah, is that a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more of a better experience and sometimes other
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: maybe guides.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what an interesting question, because.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, I always assume that somebody's HGA is probably like,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: you know, a more spiritual advancement of themselves. So I'm
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: assuming maybe you get nicer answers or someone something nicer
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  Speaker 3: to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's for me, it actually makes me feel high. So
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: when I connect to a HDA, it's a nice experience
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  Speaker 2: for me because I'm like, it pulls me up so high.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: The higher I go, the higher I feel, and it's
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: like this really nice, like oh feeling. So I actually
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: like connecting to HDAs. That's what I know. It's a
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: HDA because the guides are very funny characters, but it's
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: on the same kind of playing field. But with the HDAs,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: it's this whole other state of consciousness and it's like
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: being high on drug.
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  Speaker 1: Nice, get a free one there.
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  Speaker 2: About the consequences.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: That is really nice. Nice. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, I just assumed that would probably be different experience
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: than a guide.
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't just think to guess.
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  Speaker 2: The answer are similar, but the feeling is different. They're
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: still they're always wanting people to come into their higher selves,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: like be that the best version of themselves? So it's
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: still geared in the same direction, but it is more
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: of a spiritual experience, i'd say in comparison.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, Judis or Ethan, did you have anything you wanted
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  Speaker 1: to ask or anything? Yeah? That was all.
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  Speaker 6: That was all very eloquent and beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, you so welcome. Thanks for asking.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know this.
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  Speaker 3: There's anything else you want to add or maybe if
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: you got any questions for us, maybe we could wrap
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: it up now.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: But it's up to you. I mean, I'm just right now,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm out of questions. I can't think of really anything
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: else to ask you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess I think something really beautiful to end
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: on would be asking you all of you, what is
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: your relationship with your intuition and your psychic self? I think,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: and is it something that you're exploring.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I think I need to acknowledge mine a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. Yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's definitely times where like I get the Spidey
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: sense and I want to tell myself it's going to
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: be different or this is going to work out in
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: a different way, and it just doesn't. And it's like
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: I knew of this from the beginning, Why didn't I
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: listen to myself?
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  Speaker 1: Done?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: I need to start enforcing my first intuitions. I think
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: more they seem to be on point. Just put it
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: that way.
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  Speaker 2: If you're moving into those realms and you're connecting with
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: your pineal gland and you you have the awareness of
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: your energetic body, it tells me how much psychic potential
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: or awareness you actually have. So it's very cool.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I not even I mean I guess that.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a little bit of the same thing.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: But there's like I could say that like sometimes literally
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: within minutes just from like being around somebody and watching
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: their facial movements and their body, I already know what
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: I'm dealing with. And sometimes I'll just I'll still ignore
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: everything I just saw. It's like, yeah, yeah, it's kind
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: a pretty. It's got a pretty smile, so it's like, ah,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: you know, it'll be different this time.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: Well, some of the lessons that you provided for intuitive processing,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: especially addressing essentially, I feel like every one of us
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: has the younger self, the four year old and the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: teenage sure that is unfed with certain attention. Whether we
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: feel that way or it's true, that's arguable, but we
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: all kind of have these characters that are they need
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: our attention and in effect, I really I really love
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: that visualization practice that you offered, and also the whole
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: idea of understanding the you know, the archetypal laughing Buddha,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: or that the universe is going to find everything very
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: funny that we do and we should embrace that and
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: not hold on to things too much. That at least
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: could be a tool to help us not hold on
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: to things so as much. And so I appreciate all
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: the all the tools you provided.
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  Speaker 2: I love that insight that's that's very fitting. Not taking
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: things so personally everything is a joke. But I mean,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: without dismissing people's experiences that the same time, it's that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: fine line.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, yeah, I like that.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: If I want to know more.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought I could slip under there.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, do you think we forgot about it,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: because I'm going to throw under the bus if you don't.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: For me.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: It's uh using a little bit more discernment.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: When sharing, because uh, for a very long time there
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: if I saw, I said, and uh, that's just because you.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: See, doesn't mean you have to say. Sometimes sometimes you
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: just have to leave there.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, God, I learned that the hard way, but yes,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: so true.
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  Speaker 1: Very wise, it's stuf the loon.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Ray, thank you very much. This was even better
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: than I could have ever expected. Had a great time.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun though. It was a
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: great conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed it and definitely could have
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: you back on in the future. I would have liked
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: to have probably maybe gotten into a little bit more
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: about the nervous system stuff. I think that would have
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: been really cool, but I didn't want to bring that
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: up now and then go on for another half hour.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: So we could always we could always have you back on,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: So I totally.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: Love that and definitely thank you all of you for
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: being so curious and bringing such beautiful questions. It was
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: so refreshing to be asked questions like this, and it's
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: really a testament to you, like your curiosity and your
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: mind and how you're getting curious about the universe and yourself.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: So thank you so much. It's been so beautiful connecting
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: with all of you.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you, it was a bleast for real.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you for the questions and everybody in
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: the chat that's what's up. Thank you very much. That's
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: why we go live. And hopefully if we ever get
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: you on the future again, we'll take questions again again,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: Ray Ray, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: The loon Ethan had a great time. It was a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: great show.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the end of another Recult Rejects and until
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: the next one, everybody be well later.
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  Speaker 8: H