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A Little Daytime Drama · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a bonus episode
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  Speaker 1: of Long Story Short the podcast. I'm Megan, Hi, I'm Wendy,
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  Speaker 1: and today we're discussing a little daytime drama from Hallmark's
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  Speaker 1: Summer Night's series. We have two more movies, I believe
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  Speaker 1: after this one, before this series concludes. You are really
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to this one, and I've got some thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Wendy, do you have a synopsis for us?
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely do a little daytime drama. In order to
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  Speaker 2: save her daytime soap drama from cancelation, headwriter Maggie must
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  Speaker 2: convince Darren fan favorite actor and her real life ex
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  Speaker 2: boyfriend to return to The show stars Jin Lily, Ryan Pavey,
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  Speaker 2: and Linda Dano.
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  Speaker 1: What was your first impression of this movie.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't love it as much as I hoped I would.
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  Speaker 2: I had real high expectations for it, and those expectations
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  Speaker 2: got me again.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a little slow.
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  Speaker 2: It lacked tension, and overall, I thought it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of a weak story.
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  Speaker 1: I agree about all of that. I wrote this movie
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  Speaker 1: was fine, but boring. There's nothing blatantly bad about it.
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  Speaker 1: The story holds up. I liked the actors, and yet
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  Speaker 1: I still didn't really care about it. Same, same, same,
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  Speaker 1: Before we talk specifics of our likes and dislikes, let's
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  Speaker 1: go to news and notes. Okay, As always, this movie
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  Speaker 1: was filmed in Canada, specifically Vancouver, and the movie studio
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  Speaker 1: they use are the Bridge Studios in Burnaby, British Columbia.
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  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, interesting, those are actual real that's an actual
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  Speaker 2: real like uh set?
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  Speaker 1: That is my interesting?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Ah cool? Yeah, I was wondering. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: did they film this in Los Angeles and they just,
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  Speaker 2: you know whatever, I'm sure they didn't. No, obviously, now
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  Speaker 2: we know they didn't. All right, what else you got?
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  Speaker 1: Director Heather Hawthorne Doyle shared that a week prior to
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  Speaker 1: finishing this movie, she was still editing it. So we
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  Speaker 1: have talked about the tight round of these movies, and
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  Speaker 1: she shared on Instagram like the week before, I'm still
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  Speaker 1: finishing it, but it's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: So a week ago, ten days ago, she was still
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  Speaker 2: editing this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's nuts, that's absolutely nuts. I have some news
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  Speaker 2: and notes too. Did you know that Jen Lily and
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Pavey both worked in daytime television? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I have that Jen Lily was on Days of Our Lives,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't know about Ryan Pavey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember what show he worked on. Sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 2: but don't you have some inside track on Days? I do.
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  Speaker 1: A very good college friend of mine has worked on
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  Speaker 1: Days of Our Lives since we were in college, since
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  Speaker 1: he was an intern in college, has now won several
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  Speaker 1: Emmys as a Days of Our Lives Assistant Producer Associate producer.
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  Speaker 1: It's an ap. He has several emmys from his role
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  Speaker 1: on the Days of Our Lives team? Now is Days
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  Speaker 1: still on?
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  Speaker 2: Because they like?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: What well? I know, but I thought, like I remember,
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  Speaker 2: like early pandemic, like they put them on pause or
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  Speaker 2: there was talk of cancelation or so contracts not being
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  Speaker 2: renewed or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Days of Our Lives films so far ahead. This is
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  Speaker 1: my insider info that even like in March and April,
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  Speaker 1: they were filmed through October, so they just needed to
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  Speaker 1: do editing, which for the most part could be done remote,
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  Speaker 1: and then they opened up. I think summertime last year
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  Speaker 1: was when shows were allowed to start filming again with
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  Speaker 1: pandemic restrictions, but they never took time off. They were
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  Speaker 1: farther ahead, and they always film ahead, and they have
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  Speaker 1: they'll take like a one week, a two week, a
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  Speaker 1: three week hiatus and they'll get like way ahead, and
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  Speaker 1: then they'll take a big break and then they'll get
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  Speaker 1: way ahead, so they're not filming, you know, a week
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  Speaker 1: of week or two prior, the way sometimes sitcoms are.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, like I was gonna say, and
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  Speaker 2: like we saw in this movie, right, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how the other soap opera spared, yeah, but I
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  Speaker 2: know Days was fine.
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  Speaker 1: They did not miss a beat.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't watched soaps in a really long time. I
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  Speaker 2: was on my children watcher for some time, uh huh,
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  Speaker 2: years and years ago, but that's now long gone. I think,
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  Speaker 2: I know it's not on the air anymore. But I
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  Speaker 2: thought like it might have been the computer, you know all,
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  Speaker 2: it might have been online somewhere, but honestly, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it exists anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Days was my soap, and Days is my husband's soap.
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  Speaker 1: He's watched since high school and still watches. I do not,
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  Speaker 1: but he does. That just blows my mind. That's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: That's so so funny. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Linda Dano, who played Alice in this movie is a
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  Speaker 2: big time former soap star. This movie was her debut
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  Speaker 2: on the Hallmark Channel. However, she did previously appear in
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  Speaker 2: a Hallmark Movies and Mystery movie okay, which is like,
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  Speaker 2: I know that's like a sister channel, but like, isn't
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  Speaker 2: it still Hallmark? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? I think so, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know, like why the note was so
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  Speaker 2: significant When I read it, They're like, this is her debut,
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  Speaker 2: but actually, you know, I have a news and note
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  Speaker 2: that you may not have caught.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: This movie also featured Cameron Bancroft. Do you know who
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  Speaker 2: that is?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he was the I don't know if he
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  Speaker 2: was like the executive with the channel or the soap
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  Speaker 2: or the whatever. He was the gray haired man who.
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  Speaker 1: Was kind of the boss.
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  Speaker 2: Cameron. I didn't okay, I didn't realize it was Cameron
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  Speaker 2: Bancroft until about halfway through the movie and nine O
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  Speaker 2: two one O fans know him as Joe Bradley, CSU
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  Speaker 2: quarterback with the heart condition that saved Donna from ray
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  Speaker 2: on Halloween Night.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, I'm looking at his photo and I watching this movie,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, huh, his face seems familiar. But we've seen
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  Speaker 1: so many Hallmark movies. I think my brain just thought
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  Speaker 1: he's just been in another. But now that I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at his face, I can totally see it's.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Bradley, the guy who passed out when he got
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  Speaker 2: off the airplane.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that way to go, Joe, Well, I Cameron.
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked so like I looked him up last
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  Speaker 2: night because I was like, Wow, he's full out gray,
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  Speaker 2: like he's only fifty one years old, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: he is. He looks so much older than that. Like
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  Speaker 2: to me, I'm like, really, he should get rid of
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  Speaker 2: that gray, and he could play younger roles, don't you
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  Speaker 2: think so? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, you think you could totally play younger roles?
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  Speaker 2: Is that a super problematic statement?
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  Speaker 1: No? I think the gray places him in a specific role, right,
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna get the older dude role. And I think
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  Speaker 1: if you had dyed your hair brown, but look, go
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  Speaker 1: with it. Maybe he likes to play the older dude role. Eh, maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but because we certainly know that we've got fifty year
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  Speaker 1: old leading men on the Hallmark channel.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, I get it. I get it. It just
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  Speaker 2: it blew my mind. I couldn't believe.
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  Speaker 1: That it was him. Yeah, that's a great note. I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you said that because I definitely had a moment
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  Speaker 1: of recognition, but no ever in a million years would
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  Speaker 1: have placed him. Yeah. Yeah, So I watched this when
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  Speaker 1: I was very tired, so I did not do the
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  Speaker 1: research together. You got anything else, So that's it, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Do you like about this movie?
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  Speaker 2: It's Ryan Pavey for me? Yeah, Like, he's so easy
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  Speaker 2: to look at and I'm going to say it here first, guys,
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  Speaker 2: and don't at me, but I think he's more handsome
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  Speaker 2: than Tyler Hans. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's those blue eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you notice in his headshot that they have hanging.
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  Speaker 2: On the set.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if that's his actual headshot
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  Speaker 1: because that really works for me. I could see how
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  Speaker 1: that would work for him, those like blue eyes looking
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  Speaker 1: right at you. Like that headshot because I would believe
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  Speaker 1: that if it were. He's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: And I hated him in A Timeless Christmas, which was
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  Speaker 2: one of the movies early movies who were we reviewed
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  Speaker 2: late last year. I didn't hate him, I just hated
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: the movie, right, But because he play said a dummy
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: in that movie because he like woke up from like
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  Speaker 2: the past or some crap like that. But it was
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  Speaker 2: this this movie, and he was also in that. It
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't called Breakup boot Camp. I think it was called
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  Speaker 2: Breakup boot Camp at one time. You know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember?
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  Speaker 2: It was Miranda And I really liked him in that
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  Speaker 2: movie too, So he's doing it for me.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy him, I would say, almost as much as
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Harantz.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I loved is how this show took
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  Speaker 1: total digs at like some soap opera tropes and like
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  Speaker 1: a in a joking way. But when he comes back
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  Speaker 1: and he's talking to one of the actors and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: you were like three years old when I left, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, that's what I was on soaps. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know what the term is when they age a soap
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  Speaker 1: opera character. No, there's a term, and it is the
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  Speaker 1: abbreviation ISSAURUS, which stands for Soap Opera rapid aging syndrome
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  Speaker 1: when they zap a character forward in time because all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden they need them not to be three
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  Speaker 1: years old, but they need them to be sixteen years old. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so she was sourist. But I also liked how they
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  Speaker 1: talked about, like, you know, we jen Lily's character. Maggie
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  Speaker 1: really wanted it to be more realistic. She didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be bringing back these characters with the amnesia from
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  Speaker 1: the dead, and she didn't really want all of these
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  Speaker 1: like dramatic. You know, if you've watched a soap opera
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  Speaker 1: like Days of Our Lives, I still vividly remember when
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  Speaker 1: Marlena was possessed by the devil and the town of
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  Speaker 1: Salem was hot for weeks and weeks and weeks on
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  Speaker 1: end because of the presence of the devil in their town.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like very mild compared to some of
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  Speaker 1: the other things that they've done. So I like kind
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: of the dig at the unrealistic storylines we get on soaps.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what people want in their soaps. I
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  Speaker 1: read a review that wondered if there was perhaps a
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  Speaker 1: parallel between like pushing back on what people want from
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  Speaker 1: their soap operas and what the network thinks his best.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: As you know, Hallmark is undergoing a big change. Their
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  Speaker 1: executives have had a lot of turnover. They're working hard.
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  Speaker 1: They're working to address some of the diversity issues in
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  Speaker 1: their movies, and there is a vocal group who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want that to happen. So this particular reviewer wondered if
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  Speaker 1: there was a parallel there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's really interesting, h really interesting. I was wondering too.
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  Speaker 2: There was a comment at one throughout the movie where
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  Speaker 2: like the Cameron Bancroft guy, I don't even know the
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  Speaker 2: boss guy, he kept forgetting Maggie's name. She's like been
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  Speaker 2: a head writer for four years off on the show
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  Speaker 2: and he doesn't know her name. And I thought, like,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like some sort of weird backhanded storyline,
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  Speaker 2: because maybe it's a male dominated dominated like community. What's
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for here? Male dominated business? Sure,
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  Speaker 2: and these women are trying to like writers are trying
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  Speaker 2: to come up and like these men are being jerks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, hm.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I could definitely be reading into it, but
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting note.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. In the movie. I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I love Linda Dano. I don't have anything else to
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  Speaker 1: say about her other than I loved her. I found
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  Speaker 1: her presence on screen to be very kind of calming
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  Speaker 1: and enjoyable, and I just I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: would like to spend time with you. I think you
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  Speaker 1: make well. She made the movie for me.
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  Speaker 2: I also thought she was like chic af too, like
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  Speaker 2: I just love that pop collar, like in several scenes,
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  Speaker 2: and like the jewelry and yeah, I just liked her lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or Linda Daniel, please make her Yeah, make her
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  Speaker 1: a sidekick more often. I agree. So another thing I
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  Speaker 1: liked is that Darren and Maggie rekindled a friendship before
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  Speaker 1: they rekindled their romance, and I liked that they were
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  Speaker 1: in each other's corners. There is a you know, he
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  Speaker 1: wants her to share her ideas with the executives, and
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  Speaker 1: she makes a comment at one point where she says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he could leave to go to another play,
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: which is certainly his right. And she's not saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he can't ever leave us. We can't survive without him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she wants what's best for him in his career.
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  Speaker 1: And I liked that, even though you know, they have
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  Speaker 1: their little misunderstanding and like their friendship.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So I thought they had nice flirting, But I
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  Speaker 2: also saw her as a like a little annoying sister
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  Speaker 2: and not like an ex lover. Oh, because did they
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  Speaker 2: say that they had been together for like three years
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  Speaker 2: or something like that and then he broke up with her? Right,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's just a lot of history in
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  Speaker 2: three years. A lot of things happened in three years.
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  Speaker 2: Like I didn't get like that sort of like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I thought I thought, actually I thought the
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  Speaker 2: two of them lacked chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they had better friendship chemistry than romantic history.
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  Speaker 1: Me too, Me too, Me too. I thought they had
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  Speaker 1: a good report. They seemed comfortable with each other. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that too.
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  Speaker 2: But like if they didn't get together at the end
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  Speaker 2: of this movie, it would have been fine with me, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Like, Okay, whatever I think generally is super adorable.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's so pretty. She's got like the prettiest eyes,
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  Speaker 2: and her makeup looked so pretty in this movie. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I just wish she would get better scripts. The last
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  Speaker 2: movie I saw her in was Snow Kissed and that
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  Speaker 2: was freaking awful. So like in this movie didn't have
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: like a ton of substance either. So like I just
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: wish like either she'd be offered better stuff or like
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: she chose better stuff, something that had like I'm trying
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: to think, like, can you recall any movie this year
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  Speaker 2: that was really good that had like a strong female
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  Speaker 2: lead that she would have been good into.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, these movies fly out on my brain the second
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  Speaker 1: I've been talking.
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  Speaker 3: About them, so I'd have to actually look back at
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  Speaker 3: the movies that we've talked about to refresh my memory.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, I think she could hold her own on
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  Speaker 3: a movie that had a little humor, that was a
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  Speaker 3: little faster paced. She said in an Instagram post that
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  Speaker 3: this was her favorite movie she's ever done for Hallmark.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So maybe she, just like you said, hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: given the greatest scripts and she just keeps she just
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: wants to be a team player and keeps on truck in.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe she'll get something for Christmas that is a
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  Speaker 1: little better.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe. Also, she had some really pretty outfits, yes, really cute.
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  Speaker 2: There was this one she was like in a strapless
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: black I think it was a pants suit and it
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: had pockets. It was at the convention party. It was
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: just soo I know you were tired when you're watching this,
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  Speaker 2: so you probably didn't see it.
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  Speaker 1: But she it was so pretty well, I loved the
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  Speaker 1: pantsuit or the jumpsuit she wore in the beginning that
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  Speaker 1: tied in the back. The purple went so cute. And
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  Speaker 1: then when she was at the anniversary party and she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing that black dress, her eye makeup looked amazing.
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  Speaker 1: She had a smoky eye that was real pretty. I
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  Speaker 1: loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I know, she's so pretty, so so pretty.
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  Speaker 1: So pretty. Do you have anything else you liked? That's
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  Speaker 1: about it? All right, what did you wish for?
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  Speaker 2: This might have just been me, Like I like to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: watch things with subtitles, and I watched this the night
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  Speaker 2: that it was on, and I can't put subtitles on
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  Speaker 2: my direct TV anyway. I had a really hard time
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  Speaker 2: understanding Maggie's lines. At one point, I thought like she
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: was keeping her teeth clenched in just moving her lips.
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  Speaker 2: But that wasn't it. I don't know what. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if she talks too fast or what it is.
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  Speaker 2: But like, I'm so focused like reading her lips because
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  Speaker 2: I cannot figure out what she's saying half the time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't notice that.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might just be me because I can't hear anything, so.
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  Speaker 1: I usually have to watch with subtitles as well. This
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  Speaker 1: one I did not, so I wished for two things.
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  Speaker 1: The first was Ryan Pavey's character. Darren has a little
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: bit of a secret that we don't know about, and
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  Speaker 1: he has some he's getting over kind of the oh,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: what's the word, I'm leaving where he had a failed
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  Speaker 1: run on Broadway and that has kind of damaged his confidence.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: So we see he wears this rubber band that he
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: kind of snaps to kind of bring him back into
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  Speaker 1: the moment, and we know he has some sort of
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: secret thing happening that Maggie thinks is a girlfriend, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: of course we know is not that, but we don't
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: know what it is. And I thought that it was
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: he was going to therapy. I thought that the person
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: he's talking to was his therapist. I thought they were
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: going to say, like, you know, he needed a little
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: therapy to get through this rejection, to get through this
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: loss of confidence, to you know, get back to who
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: he was. And when we found out it was an
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: improv class, I was like, really, I know the therapy
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: angle would have been better. It would have like show,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you know, highlighted that mental health is important. And it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: okay to go to therapy and talk to somebody about whatever,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't always need to be a major crisis situation, right,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Like this was a great confidence and he needed a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: little help to get back to himself. I really thought
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that was the direction that they were going, and I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: was disappointed that it was improv.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Hire us hall park cool right to a movie. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: wish for it. Let me just one more thing I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: would like to add. I wished that, and this is
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: just one of those Hallmark tropes, is that, like the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: ex is coming back into town and she's worried, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like they let it kind of go as the movie
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: went on, but like you know, when they like were
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: pitching that Darren should come back to the show, and
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: she got all like, I don't, you know, I just
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: don't do that. Why can't we just be adults?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Although if you did date for three years, do you
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: really want to work together? I ended, yeah, yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe because he dumped her so she might
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable. Whatever, I don't I'm just tired of.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: It, right right, She rallied quickly, But yes, I hear that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: The last thing I wished for I just wrote jokes
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: something to move the pace a little faster, funny montage.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Just I needed a little more snappiness to this movie,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: It needed some omph, like something like I needed to
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: be more invested in Darren sane on the show, or
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the show being canceled or something.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It was just there for me. It was almost there.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It had so many pieces of the puzzle I just needed.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I needed them to have more of like a funny
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: banter as opposed to like, Oh, we're good friends and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to support everything you do. Even though I
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: liked that, I kind of would have enjoyed a little
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: more back and forth.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: If you're with somebody for three years, you got inside
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: jokes right that they could like, yeah, illustrate, Yeah, I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: totally agree.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: How about did you see that?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: All right? I have a few. There was a lot
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of purple in this movie.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny. Okay, go ahead.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: In one scene, Darren and his agent are having lunch
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and they both are wearing purple shirts, which was bizarre
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to me, and then a dude in the background also
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: wearing a purple shirt. And then it happened again later
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: where Maggie's wearing a purple jumpsuit, right, and then her
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and Darren are both wearing like purple in one shot,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: but then in the next shot his shirt looks more gray,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: but it still was like when they were together, it
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: looked like they were wearing purple. So I was like,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: what is the significance of purple in this movie?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: If any Well, that's funny that you say that, because
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it wasn't the purple that stood out to me, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it was the color coordination. Because there's that scene that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you talked about with Darren and his agent, then later
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Darren and Maggie, and then there's a later scene where
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Darren and his agent are on the phone and they're
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: both wearing tan shirts. Darren has a tan shirt and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: his agent has a tan blazer on. They're not in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the same place, but they're flipping back and forth from
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: their scenes. So there was this color coordination between two
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: characters in a scene that happened, and I just noticed
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: it and thought it was interesting that they would make
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: them match like that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I wonder if there was I mean,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that's somebody's job or was it a mistake,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: because do you want your two characters wearing the same color.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I it could have been accidental, because I will
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: often accidentally match my daughter and I like, all, put
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: on my outfit and then if she needs help picking
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: something out, and it's truly accidental. There's nothing I'm doing, like, oh,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm wearing stripes, she's gonna wear stripes. And we leave
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the house and I look and I'm like, both wearing
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a purple sure, or both wearing blue and white stripes.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It's not intentional. And so maybe their brain is, you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: pulling these outfits and they happen to pull. I don't know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: but it was noticeable.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, do you have any I have a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: couple more, but I'm gonna let you go.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was odd that she just shows
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: up at his house to talk to him in the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: first scene, Like she doesn't even call him. She's like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna walk into your backyard and ask you
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to come be on the show. And of course they
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: used to be in a relationship, but I thought, for
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: someone who was so nervous about him returning, right, would
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you not have started moving a phone a text, a text,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: because that's where I would have started.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a text would a bit better. And I like
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: those movies at show, like the texts. You know what
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Yeah, let's do that again, Homark call
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: us we have ideas. There was one scene where he's
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: talking to his agent about his crops and he's talking
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: about how he has grown chardonnay grapes and then he says,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: quote shardena grapes, which, by the way, are fruit.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: At the beginning of that conversation, his agent is like
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: something something, you're vegetables.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, And then in the next scene it's the same
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: They have like the tomato vegetable fruit joke between Maggie
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and him. So it's like, but okay, now that makes
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: sense because it was fully out of context. For me.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, of course grapes are fruit.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: However, I did do some googling about it, and some
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: people categorize grapes as berries.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: But I was like that aren't berries fruit?
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yes they are, But I was like, yeah, this is
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a real reach if we're getting down into like the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: minutia of like you know what I mean whatever, anyway,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I don't care, I hear you. I just was like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: over the stupid like is it a fruit or a
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: vegetable joke.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree they took it too far. His crops
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: were a boring plot point. Like that's a one line,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: it does not need to be a callback on multiple
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: times in the movie. Agree.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And plus Ryan Paby in real life like mixed jewelry,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I think so, Like, why didn't they have him doing
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that right?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And he even had a jewelry making setup in Quarantine.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Did you see the photo of it? Yes?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I did so.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's a much better idea. But yeah, I apparently
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: they found that charming. Oh look this single dude. By
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the way, can you even grow grapes in la I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: don't know, although.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: A maybe in Malibu if he was supposed to be
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: living like by the ocean, the humidity or the salt
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: in the airs.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: My neighbor has a grape vine, So I don't know
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. So okay, maybe you can they
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: shout an a grapes. I have no idea that's a fruit.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: All I know is they attract those big giant beetles
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that I can't stand.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It's your hair that attracts those, not those grapes.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they come over, they come for the grapes, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: they stay for the hair, All right? Do you have
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: anything else for to just see that? No?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But I do have a question.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Is it normal for a head writer to transition to producer?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know? Okay, should I ask my friend?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Ask your friend.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I'm curious, is she I have one more one last?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Did you see that Darren had a welcome back cake?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And it literally looked like somebody printed out welcome Back
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Darren on a piece of paper and slapped it on.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Top of a Costco cake. Totally.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It was not like one of those edible printable things.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It looked like the computer paper. It was awful. Yeawful.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: The cakes in these movies need some help. Speaking of which,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I follow a woman on TikTok who is a prop
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: person and she like hashtags like Hallmark movie and she's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: making like props for you can tell like Christmas movies
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: right now, and it's very interesting. She's like, this food
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: is fake, but we throw in some real food because
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: otherwise people would be able to tell if we didn't
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: have like a combination of real food and fake food. Okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: By the way, I said to my friend, is it
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: normal for a writer to also be a producer on
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a soap asking for Hallmark movie continuity, and his first
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: response is three crying laughing emojis, and now I got
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: dot dots.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Of this is a real time text, yes your Days
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of your Life? That I do have one more. It's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: about that rubber band trick that he was doing. I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: if they had been boyfriend girlfriend for a long period
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: of time, don't you think she'd know this trick of his?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: But I think it was recent. It was after his
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: failed okay, fine, that he could have picked up from
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a therapist, right right, right. And it's funny that they
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: did that in this movie because I just was reading
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a book where one of the characters did that they
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: had had some trauma and they did that to distract themselves.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Like to oh, well, maybe the writer of this movie
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: read that book too.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Perhaps, it says, not impossible. Not very common either, though
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: at one point Tom Langan was both head writer and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: co executive producer of Days of Our Lives. All right, so,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: but not common though. Okay, oh, we have to rate
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: this movie, my gosh, Okay.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Alright, alright, alright, I'm ready. I give this two point
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: seven five starts.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Oh I was gonna give it two and a half.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: So oh well, I really struggled because I was like
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: those other movies I gave in the three and I
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like those movies, previous Summer Nights movies.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah it was.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Below A three.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Definitely a three. Yeah. Next week is a sweet pecan summer.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not looking forward to this one.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: No interesting. I like that it has a full non
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: white family. I think we're maybe gonna get more of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the family story than the love story. I'm hoping, yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: which I like, kind of about their pecan business farm.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So I like that. I'm not super into like the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: actual I don't know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I wasn't drawn into love story, but I'm like, tell
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: me about the family, tell me about your pecan situation.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: There are two movies left, guys, So we're coming in hot.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Then it's fall, then it's Christmas.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, please tell me we're gonna get a
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: little break, a one week or two week break after
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Summer Nights before fall.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I hope. I'm so sorry to tell you shit. The
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Fall Harvest programming will run from Saturday, September eleventh through
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Saturday October sixteenth. Okay, and the very first movie. You
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: are correct, maybe I did tell you. This does feature
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Tyler Hines Woo, whoa.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: My number two favorite guy on homework. So you must
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: have had some insight scoop some weeks ago somewhere something
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You must be reading that Hallmark Gossip Rags or something megan.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So we go straight from Summer Nights into Fall Harvest.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And my guess is we go straight from Fall Harvest
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: into Yeah, what's Christmas called? Count down to Christmas? Oh
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm a convert.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I know all the details, guys, I know them all.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I know all the actors, I know all the players,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I know the writers. What did we do to you?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So to wrap it up, we've got a couple more
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Summer Nights movies coming. You can always catch us on
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Tuesdays for our regularly scheduled main podcast episode. We talked
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: meal planning this week. It was a good conversation. Give
• 29:43
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• 29:45
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• 29:47
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• 29:51
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• 29:54
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• 29:57
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• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you can always find our full episode show notes at
• 30:03
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• 30:08
  Speaker 1: have a great week.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Bye bye bye bye bye