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One Piece, 459 & 460 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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episodes four fifty nine and four sixty picking down to the time of battle,
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the Navy's strongest lineup in position and a vast fleet appears. Here come the
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white Beard Pirates. In these episodes, we find out that Ace and Loofy
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aren't actually related really. Oh and I guess that means that our guy isn't
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Lufy's grandpa either, just a grandpa in spirit. Welcome to spoil Me.
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Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much to
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Florian for commissioning this episode, and also for being extremely patient, because yesterday
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I attempted to do this recording and my computer just lost its entire mind and
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refused to even record, and I had to restore everything from a backup because
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it just essentially shut down on me entirely. So we're just gonna hope and
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pray that this whole recording goes through. Okay, fingers crossed. It looks
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good so far, and I just am hoping that I am not facing having
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to replace my computer already, because I feel like I sort of just got
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this one, even though I guess that was like four years ago. But
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anyway, so these episodes, you guys, what a what a surprising revelation
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this is. I can't get over to the lore behind who Lufy's like,
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I guess not lufy Ace's mother actually is, because it's not like she herself
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is so important plot wise. You know, her name is Rouge, which
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is very strange already, but the bit is supposed to be that she was
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able to keep herself from giving birth to Ace for twenty months I believe was
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the number that we were given. You guys, this is one of those
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things that I really enjoy just because it's so it's such a bizarre kind of
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thing to like include in the story. But it feels like a Greek myth
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or something. You know. I say Greek myth just because I automatically think
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Greek when I think myth, but it could be a myth from any tradition,
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culture or whatever. Because the idea of a woman just being able to
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like have total control over her own body in this sort of way that is
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the stuff of stories, and it's almost like a wishful thinking sort of thing.
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I think for a lot of us, like if only we could dictate
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what happened when that would be great. It would be so helpful to our
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lives in general, Like wouldn't it. You know? So I am cackling,
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and you know I had said how bizarre it was, and I have
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said this for other characters as well, but like once again acknowledging that Rouge
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is apparently not Lufy's mother unless she came back from the dead, which I
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wouldn't be surprised if she was. Like I held him in my roomb for
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twenty months, I finally gave birth, and then I died, but then
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I decided I didn't really feel like dying, so then I came back.
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Like if this woman has the kind of control she apparently does, I don't
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see why she can't just not die because she feels like she doesn't want to
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today. But uh, what I was where I was heading with this was
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just how bizarre I thought it was that Lufy's mother was really just not in
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the story, Like she's just not a person that is brought up. He
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doesn't seem to like think or ask about her, and nobody else asks either,
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And that also with like seeing the past for Zoro, he is we
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have no idea who either of his parents are. You know, for a
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lot of our characters, we do have that sort of background. We know
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it's going on with Usap and his father and who his father actually wand being,
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and that his mother died. I guess with Chopper, we just know
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that he was born to a regular family and then like ostracized once he got
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he ate the Devil Fruit because he was no longer a regular reindeer. And
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you know, we know Nami's story, and Soanji's is like one of the
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one that sort of aligns a little bit more with Zorro where you don't actually
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know who Sanji's parents are either. He was just like working on a ship
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that got taken over, and as far as who his parents were to allow
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him to work on this ship or anything, that's not a factor. So
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I do find it really interesting how many of our characters who are fight haven't
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got that kind of info on their background, But the ones that are like
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more grounded in reality in terms of what their abilities are, they do get
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a full story and a full backstory. So I don't know if that's like
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of any significance, the fact that it tends to be something that we don't
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hear or know about only when it's a person who is a complete badass,
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Like, is there a reason we haven't heard who any other parents are?
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Is it going to turn out that like Sangi, Zoro, and Lufi are
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actually all related? Surprise, surprise, you know, who knows? But
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I just really think it's funny that it's not something that anybody even asks about.
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It would be one thing if our friends didn't know, and they were
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just sort of like, yeah, you know, I don't know who my
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parents are, and I've never known, and my whole life, I've just
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grown up not knowing, and I'm used to not knowing, so it doesn't
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bother me anymore at this point. But it never really even comes up in
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conversation, And so I really wasn't like asking any further questions because I didn't
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think that the answers even existed. I was like, maybe he just doesn't
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want to consider it for the story because it's just not what he's focused on
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at all. It's simply a non factor. And then to find out that
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there's like this whole thing with Ace, and yet even when we find all
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this out, it doesn't tell us who Lufy's mother is. We still don't
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know that. All we know is that we can cross Ace's mother off the
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list and see that they are not actually related. So I, you know,
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I just want to stay out of the gate. I do not,
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for a moment believe that even if Lufy were to find out they're not related,
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that it would have any effect whatsoever on his mission to save Ace.
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Like it's not going to matter. Lufy has never cared about blood like he
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cares about Ace because of their history together, I think much more than he
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really gives a shit about like a familial aspect, And we saw the links
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that he went to save Robin even while she was actively rejecting him. So
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I don't believe that any of this information, were he to find out about
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it beforehand, will affect anything about what he's trying to do here. I
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think his mission will stay exactly the same. That's just how he rolls.
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Lufy is much more about like my personal relationship and my personal view of you
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as a person, and whether or not I think that you are just like
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a good soul. He really has a kind of absolutist while you seem like
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a good person to me, and so for that reason, you deserve defending
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and I'm here for that news For the record, Like I don't you guys
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know, I have said this on so many different shows. For myself,
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the idea that like family should come before everything has always been sort of a
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non starter. Family is an accident whoever's family you are born into. It's
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a complete cosmic like throw of the dice. And the idea that due to
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whomever you have and to be related to, you are like saddled with needing
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to be loyal to those people forever has never made any sense to me or
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resonated really at all, because they haven't done anything to deserve that other than
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be accidentally in a certain position on the family tree. So to me,
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that kind of like loyalty really has to be earned. And I have always
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found it bizarre when the only reason people can give for why you should help
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somebody is they're your cousin, they're your sister. If that's all you've got,
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that's really not anything that they like. That's not them deserving it,
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that's you just telling me what space they occupy in a relational chart, which
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is irrelevant. So I really align with Loufy in terms of the way he
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seems to move through the world and just be like I am going to essentially
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like what he does is sort of adopt people, you know, like either
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for the crew or in his heart. And I think that's like sort of
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the way that I have moved through the world myself in some ways with unsober
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or unspoiled. Sorry I was just editing on sober, but just the way
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that I have created a community of people that I personally care about, that
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have the same value system that I have, who are here by choice and
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who choose to support each other and be there for one another. I mean,
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it's really the same exact vibe, you know. And I fucking I
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don't care whether he finds out that Ace is or isn't related to him,
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because I don't think it will make a difference. If Lufy hasn't talked about
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his own family very much at all for the whole duration of the show upon
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which I am on episode four hundred and fifty nine, I don't think that's
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really a priority to him, you know, I just don't see that mattering.
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Oh my god, Florian says there are animals who can just stay pregnant.
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I'm sorry, excuse me. Okay, no, hold on, I
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am googling animals that can stay pregnant because I need to know. Oh oh
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oh wow, okay, first thing, swamp wallabies. Swamp wallabies have two
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uteruses, so they can conceive a new baby before birthing another. Why did
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nature do this to them so they essentially can be constantly pregnant? That seems
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really unfair. Like, I mean, I guess if you just live like
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that and you don't know anything else, you aren't aware that that sucks for
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you. But that just really is unlike. It also feels like nature was
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accelerating their growth rate, you know, like just or their population rate for
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some reason. And I really want to know why nature was so intent on
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swamp wallabies being fruitful and multiplying. It's also led me to a list of
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the long gestation periods of twelve different animals, not saying that they can stay
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pregnant, but it says the elephants are pregnant for eighteen to twenty two months,
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manatees thirteen months, camels thirteen to fifteen, drafts thirteen to fifteen,
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velvet worm fifteen, how weird, and rhinoceros fifteen to eighteen. Walrus fifteen
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to sixteen and whales and dolphins up to nineteen months. Huh, that is
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really interesting. How much of am a variance there is? Like not to
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say that in you know, the human gestation period there isn't a variance because
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it's not just at nine months, but these are variations of several months sometimes.
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And I really am curious about how, like do pre what's the word
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premature burrows count as a normal gestation period because premature birds are somewhat common.
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Is that just seen as like, you know, the human gestation periods are
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eight to nine months or seven to nine months, or is it considered premature
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for us because we haven't fully developed whereas these animals they just have a completely
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different like you know what I'm saying. Ooh, sharks spiny dogfish can carry
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young for two years, while basking sharks can do so for as long as
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three years. The frilled shark can wait three point five years before giving birth.
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I'm sorry, why does it say it can wait? See, this
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is the question I'm asking here, And they made that sound like it's voluntary.
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I just want to know, can you just decide that you're still pregnant,
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like you know what I'm saying, that's that's all. I just want
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a little bit more information about this. Some animals pause their own pregnancies.
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Okay, this is what I'm talking about. And this is from the University
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of Melbourne, so you know, Australia be crazy with their animals. More
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than one hundred and thirty species of mammal can pause their pregnancies between a couple
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of days and eleven months. In most species, it happens when the embryo
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is a tiny ball of about eighty cells before it attaches to the uterus.
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Ah, that's really fascinating. The record holder for pregnancy pause time is the
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Tamar wallaby, studied for its ability to put embryos on hold for up to
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eleven months. There are two main ways in which animals do this. I'm
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so sorry to get into this, you guys, but come on, this
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is really interesting, right is that just me? The first way is to
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mate soon after giving birth to have a backup pregnancy in case something happens to
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the newborn young. A stress of lactating triggers a pause that lasts during suckling,
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and the pregnancy restarts once the young leave. The second way is to
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pause every pregnancy until the time is right. Depending on the season, Minks
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mate at the start of March, but put the embryos on pause until after
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the spring equinox, when the days are longer. This ensures the young are
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born when conditions improve rather than winter. That is bonkers. Okay, that's
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great. I am very I'm feeling really satisfied with that information. We're gonna
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say that's what she did. She put it on pause and was just like,
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give it a minute. I mean, we see her in the in
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the episode talking to her stomach and saying not yet, not yet, branch,
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and she's not using any of the methods mentioned here. But I accept
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that just the sheer like conditions being unideal, not ideal. I don't think
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unideal is a word. I accept that. Oh my god, David Higgins
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says there are animal people we've met. Could Loofy's mom be one or part
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animal person? I love it, Wallaby, clearly, since they hold the
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record and it's eleven months. I mean, I guess again he's not actually
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related to Ace, and I'm having a lot of trouble getting that through my
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fucking head. Ace's mom part, Wallaby, that's what we'll do is you
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know, if it's an nine months term usually and she's able to wait for
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twenty months before she gives birth and a Wallaby's record was eleven months putting it
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on pause. That math exactly lines up. So we are saying that Ace's
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mother is a Wallaby person and she was waiting for conditions to improve, and
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that is canon. And I hope that everybody will please update the one Piece
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wiki with this crucial information. I will give you the links to the source
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from the University of Melbourne about this topic, So I hope that helps.
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Oh my god, Okay, okay, I'm like literally twenty minutes into this
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episode and I haven't even started to talk about what's actually happening on the show
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yet, So why don't, like, you know, I have, but
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not in order and not doing my summary thing that I'm trying to do here.
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So the first of these two episodes is really mostly about everybody like getting
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ready for this war that they believe is going to pop off and the ways
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in which they are reacting to the news that we're about to see some violence
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here. And there is a lot of preparation going on both among the people
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who live in like the surrounding area as well as the families of the Marines.
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And we also see Ace being brought up to the area where he's going
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to be questioned in front of everybody. This is actually a really unusual sequence.
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So he's thinking back to like his childhood with Loofy, and that's the
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only sound like or dialogue we get. And this whole section where they're leading
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him up is silent except for the sound of footsteps, the sound of the
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chains clinking, you know, all of the ambient noise. But there's no
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music and there's very very little talking. And it was actually quite well done.
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I felt like it was like it added a lot of tension to the
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moment and really kind of made you stop and feel like there's something extremely significant
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that's about to happen. I love when they take him out of his cell.
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They bring him to the base of this staircase that he literally cannot see
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the top of, and they make him put shoes on, and I'm really
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curious, folks, is it is. It's like not a shoe wearer.
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I feel like the times that I have seen I don't work. I feel
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like he was always barefoot, and there was a sense when he's made to
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put these shoes on, like this was a significant action on their part to
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get him to wear these, or that they asked him to wear them.
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I don't know if it's because he can like use his abilities with his feet,
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because I am pretty sure we've seen that before, So maybe that's why
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he tends to be barefoot usually, and that's why they're like, yeah,
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you're not doing that with us. But I just wanted to point it out
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because, like I said, it just felt as if it was focused on
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in such a way that it's meaningful. Oh my god, thank you,
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Florian. He's giving me the names of warlords Draculee, me Hawk, Hawkey,
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Bartholomew, Kuma, the Tyrant, Bola Hancock, Pirate Empress, Don
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Quixote, Don Flamingo, Geko Moria, thank you. Also not here,
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Blackbeard and Jimbei first Son of the Sea. Yeah we do. We see
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Jimbae in this episode at some point, but I don't and I don't think
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Boa turns up in these in these two episodes, but we see a lot
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of people in brief flashes, so she may have been here and I just
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sort of missed it. I think the shoes are a religious thing. You
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don't send people into death barefoot because they have to travel to heaven slash hell.
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Oh but that is fascinating, man. I think our whole, like
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the our human impulse to like create an afterlife, whatever that may look like,
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for whatever culture in and then have these like rituals that we require to
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help them with this imaginary after life. I say imaginary with the full acknowledgment.
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I don't know that they're imaginary. Maybe somebody is right, doesn't really
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matter, though. It's just really interesting how we'll come up with all kinds
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of things where we're just like, well, you need to give them the
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coins so that they can pay the ferrymen to cross the river. Like,
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we really added so much bureaucracy into death, even when you're dead, you
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can't get away with it. It just feels like, couldn't we have spent
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that energy on something that was a little less of a bummer. But yeah,
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so he has to climb these stairs, which I don't mind telling you
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kids, I would just have had they would have had to add a couple
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extra days on to my projected date of death because I was I would have
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to pitch a tent and rest for hours after probably going about a quarter of
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the way here. And when we go into the towns and stuff, people
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are talking about whether or not white Beards even coming, like they haven't seen
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any sight of his ships. And we find out why that is a little
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bit later, but they're sort of thinking, maybe this is much ado about
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nothing, you know, And we see people at the market and whatnot.
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One of them is saying, isn't white Beard a little too old for war?
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And somebody else is like, yeah, I mean, do the math.
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If he's been tearing shit up since before the Great Pirate era and we
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haven't seen his name in headlines for a while, he's probably not up to
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it. And then this woman who is selling fruit in another spot, she's
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like, they have manned the entire navy headquarters with their fleet, and even
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broad in the elites they know this is serious and they wouldn't do that for
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no reason, So just to watch, and I do love when they're like,
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what do you think is going to happen? And she just says,
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how the hell am I supposed to know? She has no patience for these
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guys, which I sympathize with on it, and they're also just wondering in
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general whether or not, like there's a point to this. White Beard is
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for a lot of people just kind of a legend, and they don't really
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know what he's capable of. And it seems like the might of the Marines
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is not something that you want to fuck with, so like it's possible that
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he has dramatically underestimated the situation, or again that he's like past his prime,
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maybe that he won't be able to muster enough people to come with him.
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And you know, some folks are talking about how like Navy Headquarters is
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in ruins. And there's this dude with a pipe, a tattooed head,
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hoop, earrings, and tiny sunglasses, and I don't know who he is,
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but he is an entire vibe and I really kind of hope to see
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him again because he's just telling it like it is and seems to be like,
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I don't have time for everybody out here, doubting that this dude is
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somebody that deserves respect, and just there's a sort of like quality to him
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that feels very irritated. And I really enjoyed the look of him along with
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everything. He almost looks like a genie. It might be the earrings,
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but uh so. Yeah. Then we go to this like frozen area and
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I know that it says in different spots exactly where we are, but forgive
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me, the way that the subtitles work on this is a little difficult to
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see at times. But yeah, there's a bar owner who's like, I'm
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not opening today. There's an execution happening, and these other two guys are
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like, are you kidding me? You just sell us a bottle to go?
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Then why do you why are you going to be acting like we should
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just go without drinking today? And a part of me did kind of feel
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like a day when there's about to be an execution seems like it would just
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be good business to be open. I feel like you're kind of guaranteed business
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when everybody's thinking about their own mortality or just kind of getting hype to see
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violence and death, you know. And there's some little kids who are singing
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like white Beard, white Beard, He's so mean, he's so feared,
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as they're doing a jumping like a jump rope. All right, look,
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let's get one thing straight. When kids play jump rope or clapping games and
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they include the name of a specific like person. They don't say boring,
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weak ass shit like he's so mean, he's so feared. That rhyme would
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be more like white Beard. White Beard, he will strangle you to death
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and your neck will be sheared. You will have your face pressed to a
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metal plate and seared. You get very graphic with this. Weird you guys
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know what I'm talking about. Children's like rhymes are weirdly grim and like sometimes
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gruesome and gory in a way that's extremely upsetting to adults. But as a
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kid, you don't even think about it as you're just saying the lyrics that
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you learned, you know. So I really wanted them to like kick it
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up a notch with that. It's a brief thing. He's so mean,
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he's so feared, and then we cut to another person talking, so that's
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all we get. But I really felt like we could have been a lot
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more hardcore with it. Like little kids love violence. They love it.
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It's like because they don't have any context for it, So to them,
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it's genuinely funny because they don't see in their mind's eye what that would really
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look like. What they imagine is something much morekint, like a cartoon,
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but I feel like I now want to write some sort of rhyme about white
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Beard and have that be another thing that I add to the canon of this
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show. So, yeah, you know, there's a woman who I believe
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is meant to be a nun, and she's praying and just asking for help
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getting through these terrible times. We always think we're in the worst times.
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And let's see on the island of Marine Ford, home of Navy headquarters,
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there lies a large city primarily populated by navy families, but not today,
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and we see that everything is closed up and there's just like stray cats wandering
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around and not a soul to be seen. They were all evacuated, which
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makes sense. I wonder where they went. I'm not sure if we actually
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know that or if it's being told to anybody. It says at the evacuation
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site on the Sabode Archipelago. Oh the displaced, that's where it is.
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They're watching on monitors at Sabodi. Okay, I forgot, so they did
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tell us. But yeah, so everybody's watching this, and it's a really
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fascinating thing that this execution is such a what's the word I want? Spectacle?
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I mean yes, but that's not exactly what I mean. But that's
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it that it is of so much interest to so many people, and of
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course, like the reason for that being that it's probably going to initiate a
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war, and that's what everybody is sort of watching for. But I'm just
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trying to think if there was a moment and I'm sure there was in real
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history where something like this was sort of teetering, that it wasn't an accidental
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thing where you know, somebody gets like shot and no one was ready for
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it, and all of a sudden everything kicks off because we're all reacting.
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This is a planned execution with a expectation that this particular opposing side is going
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to show up, and everyone is waiting to see if it's going to be
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as bad as they are expecting it to be. And there's that element of
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preparation and preparedness that I'm really like wondering, have we ever been in a
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place like this where we know probably if something is followed through on that it's
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going to cause absolute fucking chaos, And so we're just geared up and ready
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for some really life changing events to potentially pop off afterward, and you know,
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anybody listening who knows of something like, give me a shout, because
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I'm really curious about I'm not talking about we have some cops in riot gear
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because we suspect some people are going to be unhappy. That's different. That's
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a much smaller scale thing. We're looking at an actual war that they're preparing
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for here, you know, forgive me eys. If you can see pipin
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or if you can hear him, he is a little bit restless. But
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it's all right, buddy, I'll take you to the park after this.
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Everything will be great. So I gotta speed things along. I spent way
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too much time talking about animals, and I don't regret a second of it.
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But also I just need to be responsible a podcaster at this point.
34:07
But some of what Ace is thinking about when he's remembering his time with Loofy
34:12
is telling Loufy the only way to live life is without any regrets, which
34:16
is the kind of thing that a child would say, because they do not
34:21
understand living life with regrets is a requirement to being a better person. And
34:25
you can quote me on that. If you don't have any regrets about how
34:29
you've lived your life, I don't want to know you, because you sound
34:31
like a psychopath. Everybody should have regrets because you grow and look back at
34:37
who you used to be and go luge, oh god. And if you
34:42
aren't looking back at your former self with a grimace of horror at times,
34:49
you probably haven't grown enough. And that signals to me that you don't have
34:52
a lot of self awareness or aren't a great person. So just fyi,
34:58
he's dead wrong about this, but it is the sort of thing that a
35:00
child would say. And meanwhile, like, guys, all of this is
35:06
happening. He's still climbing these fucking stairs. It takes so long. My
35:09
god, Oh my god, Pippin sorry that was so loud. He startled
35:16
me playing with his bone. So as this is all, you know,
35:23
beginning to finally come to a head, he's going through the doors and everybody
35:28
is ready to like see ace. We have Loofy and the rest of the
35:35
crew that are on the ship and they are trying to get through the gates
35:40
of justice and they're being told you're never going to get through. You're just
35:45
going to chill out here in the tub current and it's not going to even
35:50
matter that you came. And then we have this wild sequence where the gates
35:57
begin opening and nobody can figure out why, and Buggy is just taking credit
36:02
for it, pretending that he is opening them with his mind. And I
36:07
admit, you guys, this cracked me the fuck up. I love that
36:12
he's like pretending he's doing it, but it's not because he saw that they
36:15
were going to open. He's like and had an inkling and prepped for it.
36:20
It seems like it was sort of he saw them starting to open and
36:23
decided, oh, I'm going to pretend this is all me. And I'm
36:28
really uh like enjoying how he's doing it, you know, putting on this
36:32
little performance, but then thinking to himself, like under his breath, I
36:37
wonder why they're opening, Like genuinely, I'm gonna, you know, completely
36:40
take advantage of this moment. Don't get me wrong, but I don't understand
36:44
what's going on here. So at this point we have Garp who he goes
36:52
in another direction and we get the guy Sengoku is his name. I think
36:57
the woman's the seagull on his head, and he is the one who turns
37:01
up, which everybody is a little bit surprised by. Evidently they thought Garp
37:06
was going to be the one to take care of this, but he gets
37:10
a snail, and then he stands beside Ace and begins to project his voice
37:16
out to everybody in the audience, and he says that I have some information
37:22
that you all need to hear. And this man is Portcus d Ace,
37:28
and the significance of his impending demise is more profound than you may realize.
37:34
And we go to Garp and he is sweating, and this woman who's like
37:43
her name is Suru. I think I don't know if we've met her before.
37:46
She looks vaguely familiar, but she's reassuring him that none of this is
37:52
his fault. And I was thinking, like, why would this be his
37:58
fault exactly? You know, I'm thinking that he raised the two of them,
38:01
But I guess that's just sort of the thing that you say when a
38:06
parent like is likely to take responsibility for the way their kid turned out.
38:12
And this is when Sengoku says, Ace, I want you to tell everybody
38:16
who your father was, and Ace says, the name of my father is
38:22
Whitebeard. And I assumed that this was a like, I'm loyal only to
38:34
him, and I think that's the way that Ace intends it in this moment.
38:40
But I believe in this that he still believes his father to be what's
38:52
his name, the serpent, what's his name? The dragon? The dragon?
38:55
Right? Did he believe that was the reality of who his father is
39:04
news to him as well? Because yeah, this is when they say,
39:09
we have spent a long time researching like where you've come from, and we
39:16
went after all the children in this particular like stretch of time that we're going
39:23
to be born, and we couldn't find you. And your mother went to
39:30
great lengths to hide you. She performed a miracle that could come from only
39:34
the love of a mother. She was able to keep from giving birth to
39:42
you for twenty months and misled the navy and the world about who your parentage
39:50
is. You were from Battelia and your mother's name was port Kiss d Rouge.
40:00
And it turns out that his father is Goldie Roger. And it looks
40:12
to me like Ace didn't know. There's just an expression on his face that
40:17
I think I couldn't tell, like he is this shock or is this him
40:22
being enraged that they're telling everybody? And I think it's just sheer shock.
40:29
Let's see, oh, Florence's Ace knows Roger was his dad. He however,
40:32
states that white Beard is his true dad, so he did know,
40:37
okay, because it felt like when they say it, his eyes grow wide
40:40
in a way that it seemed a shock, you know. But yeah,
40:46
so everybody, of course is just like, oh, he's related to like
40:52
a legendary pirate. Now all the fuss they're making about executing him makes all
41:00
whole lot more sense. And that's the first of these two episodes. It
41:05
takes a really long time to get there, and it ends right there with
41:09
everybody standing around being like, wait, what. But the next episode is
41:17
really just the sort of animation of the story we were just told. So
41:24
there's not a whole lot more that gets revealed there than what we already had
41:30
seen, except for the fact that it turns out Garp was asked by Roger
41:40
to take Ace in and raise him because if he pretended Ace was his kid,
41:46
then nobody would go after him and it would ensure he survived. And
41:52
Garp is just such a decent dude that even though this guy is like a
41:59
felon, a wanted criminal on death row, he's like, yeah, but
42:04
that's not the child the infant child's fault, and no, I don't want
42:07
to be party to a group of people that would willingly murder a child just
42:14
because of who their parent was. So okay, yeah, I'll help you
42:17
out with this. Florian says that he thinks the shock on Ace's face is
42:23
just the fact that they even know about this, And I think that's what
42:29
I was sort of surprised by, was that Ace would if he knew.
42:32
I guess Garp would have told him, which I wouldn't have thought Garp would
42:37
do. But you know, why not, Like I guess there comes a
42:43
point where it's sort of like it doesn't make a difference if you know,
42:46
but at this point or not, like, but yeah, the start of
42:52
the next episode is really like everybody's sort of sitting around and realizing what this
43:00
means. Everybody who knows Loofy, like what the implication is for Loofy.
43:06
And I think it's Boa actually, who says so Ace and Lufy aren't actually
43:15
related. Maybe that was her because in my mind's eye that line was delivered
43:20
by Robin. But there's no way Robin is here, and or maybe she
43:25
is. Is she here because she had that whole thing with the like fleeing
43:30
from that island, but that was like in the East Blue, I think,
43:35
so I don't think she could possibly have gotten here. And her and
43:37
Boa look really, really similar, So that's probably who I saw and just
43:43
assumed it was Robin because I was not paying close enough attention. But yeah,
43:49
we see the flashback of Garb telling Goldie Roger that he'll take his kid
43:55
in. I love the fact that Roger asked him to do this, and
44:00
he's like, Garb just says why me, Like, basically, you knew
44:06
I would not be able to resist this proposition that I'm a decent guy,
44:10
and I wish you hadn't. You couldn't have asked somebody who would just reject
44:15
the whole concept and then we could move on with our days. No,
44:17
No, you had to know me well enough to be able to tell that
44:21
I'm the exact kind of soft hearted SAP that would do the job. And
44:25
now my life is altered completely and forever. And he calls him a selfish
44:30
bastard, which I did think was rather funny. He's like, why,
44:35
I mean, because I know you'll do it, And then we see in
44:39
like you know, the sort of fuzzy detail that they do when it's a
44:45
memory or if we're looking at the past rouge, and she is like wearing
44:54
a loose gown to sort of pretend that she's not pregnant, and we see
45:00
the navy coming in and overturning everything, looking at all the people, all
45:05
the women who are pregnant, all of the children who were like young enough
45:09
to have been born within this certain period of time, even like the people
45:15
who are married or who are who know who the fathers are. They're going
45:20
after those guys and sort of grilling them to ensure that this all lines up
45:24
and make sense and could even have been possible. And intermittently we see her
45:32
just like speaking to her stomach and saying it's not time yet, just a
45:37
little bit longer. And finally we have Garp turning up with a lantern,
45:43
and the lantern sort of like this motif throughout the episode where it just keeps
45:47
turning up and the flame is focused on which I am assuming is due to
45:52
his powers and like the significance of that, and she's holding the baby's finally
46:00
given birth, and she says that if it's a girl, and if it's
46:07
a boy, Ace. Those were the names that he picked. And I
46:15
like that this woman's like the way that she's animated. She's got a nose
46:21
that's like on the larger side for the way that women are drawn in this
46:24
universe, and it makes her look a little bit like Ace. And she
46:28
also has freckles, so you just really see that resemblance there. And she's
46:32
cuddling him in the bed and he's crying, and it's a kind of cool
46:39
animation of like clouds behind her that look like flames, and then she says,
46:45
oh, Ace, and there's this like silence, and the animation is
46:50
of a flower like falling to the ground, and that is the moment that
46:54
she died, Like she used all of the strength she had to keep the
47:00
child safe and once he was born that was a rap and it had taken
47:05
everything she had. So this, like this whole history transitions then to uh
47:19
garp showing up at somebody's house and the name given here is Doadan, which
47:25
I do not think we've met this person before. That name isn't ringing any
47:30
bells, correct me if I'm wrong, but he is handing the child over
47:35
and just basically like you have got to watch the kid, and Loofy is
47:40
with him as we jump ahead in time, and Garp is saying, you'll
47:45
have to stay with this family here, and he's got a fucking band aid
47:52
on his head, which just feels so on like I would not doubt that
47:57
Lufy as a child got into fucking everything. Florian is saying, I hate
48:05
the navy so much. They round up all the women and the babies,
48:07
and well, at least I think they killed them. That's how I took
48:09
it. Oh, okay, I wasn't thinking they killed them. I was
48:13
thinking that they were like basically cross checking everybody and questioning them to ensure that
48:20
there wasn't a possibility. But maybe it is supposed to be a sort of
48:24
like Herod killing all of the children between certain ages. I didn't take it
48:34
that way just because there was a that's not the language that's used exactly.
48:43
It's not really explicitly said, And usually there will be like silhouettes of somebody
48:50
being killed or blood flying or something to sort of signify that kind of violence
48:55
is happening, and they didn't include anything like that, so I didn't interpret
49:02
it that way. But that's not to say that is incorrect I'm gonna go
49:08
ahead, actually, because like there's the one piece wiki that has the summaries,
49:13
and I'm going to see whether they specifically give an explanation there he announces,
49:23
blah blah blah, his biological misled the entire world. Nope, doesn't
49:31
say here. I'm going to go to the next one. These don't tend
49:35
to have spoilers in them ever, so I think that I'm totally safe.
49:43
Let's see. Oh, so the leader tells the soldiers to find all the
49:49
babies who are due within ten months and to investigate them and all the pregnant
49:52
women, as well as kill all the suspicious women. So that that's what
50:00
it says here that they said to and they also look into relationships that the
50:04
pregnant women have, whether their marriages are real or not. So yeah,
50:08
that's what they're saying, is that they were all killed, which is fucking
50:14
brutal this entire island. So there's like a missing generation of boys. I
50:20
guess boys if they were already born. And then if they are killing women
50:24
who are still pregnant, who knows. Yikes, that's really fucking grim.
50:30
Okay, well I had not taken it that way, and that puts everything
50:35
into a much more horrible light. So thanks for clarifying that. Florian yikes.
50:44
Florian says, oh it was yay. I was right about all the
50:46
death, and yeah, when Garb's dropping him off, he's like, you're
50:55
staying and that's the end of it. Be nice to him, and I
51:00
love it. Ace is up in the fucking trees and he also has a
51:07
band aid on his head, and there's just like already, you know,
51:10
there's this uh kinship between the two of them, and Ace is saying,
51:20
we both have the blood of criminals flowing through our veins, and that was
51:23
the only gift those bastards ever gave us. I took the name Portcas from
51:29
my mother because I owe her so much, but I don't owe my father
51:34
a damned thing. He can keep his name white Beard is my only father.
51:39
And this is a speaking to Garp when he's been you know, captured
51:45
already, so evidently Garp was like going to keep this to himself, and
51:52
they just had to share this information. And I am sort of like,
51:58
I get where Ace is coming from with I don't own my father a damn
52:00
thing, but also like, your dad is the one that set you up
52:02
to be taken in by Garp and saved, so you kind of do owe
52:07
him like everything, no offense, I get what you mean, and I'm
52:13
not even like really interested in arguing. I'm just gonna point that out.
52:21
And it says you gain notoriety as the captain, the unrelenting captain of the
52:25
Spade Pirates, and that's when we put it together. There was no doubt
52:30
that Roger's bloodline had passed on, and Whitebeard came to the same realization and
52:38
got to you before we did in order to secure your mantle as the next
52:43
king of the pirates. He warmly accepted the son of his old rival aboard
52:49
his ship, and Ace says, I joined my father's crew in order to
52:57
make him the next king, and Sengoku says, nobody believes that except you,
53:08
which is a pretty brutal line that basically you are deluding yourself and everybody
53:17
around you knows why he went after you think this was for his benefit,
53:23
that you made a choice, kid, No, he knew who you were,
53:29
where they were from, and he came at you because of that.
53:32
And I think the implication is meant to be that, like you thought,
53:38
white Beard gave a shit about you as a person, but he knew the
53:43
whole time who you were and this was all him just making a move playing
53:47
the game. Which if that is the case, and Ace is over here
53:53
being like, that was my real father, and then it turns out this
53:57
dude was actually just kind of playing him, that sucks. I hate that
54:02
for him, you know, like I just so in anyway, the only
54:10
recourse we have is to execute you, even if it means we face the
54:16
prospect of war with white Beard. And it's just one of those things where,
54:25
you know, it's it's a kind of bizarre story thing to me that
54:30
like, just because this was your parent, we see you as an extra
54:36
threat. But because of the way this universe tends to function, I accept
54:42
it. It's just hard for me to wrap my head around that they would
54:45
be so threatened merely because of who his parents were. But yeah, so
54:52
at this point, somebody is yelling, hey, Fleet Admiral, we have
54:55
a situation. The gates of justice is opening with out us giving permission,
55:02
and we can't make contact with anybody in the control room. And this is
55:07
when we see Loofy winding up, getting ready to just punch the gates of
55:12
justice. He doesn't get a chance to make the punch, but that does
55:15
not stop him from saying, hey, it worked when they just begin to
55:19
open by themselves, and I did really enjoy that that he didn't even get
55:22
a chance to do it. But he's just like, oh, look at
55:28
perfect Yeah, here's boah the tension here. There she is. I totally
55:34
missed her last time. So this is when there is this sort of weird
55:44
fog on the water and you see these faces that are in the dark,
55:51
and all of a sudden, pop pop, pop pop, all of these
55:55
ships just begin appearing on the horizon and this guy who's on lookout is like,
56:02
oh my god, they're already here, and everybody is like wait,
56:06
what how? And it took no time at all. And you look up
56:09
and there's like a hundred of them and they're all going, wait, but
56:14
how did they get in? And it turns out they all got coated so
56:19
that they could go underwater. And you see all of these truly wild ships
56:25
that I'm not going to get into the whole like description of every single one
56:31
of them, but there is a fleet and all of these different like jolly
56:38
rogers and designs of these new captains who are apparently a lot of them from
56:45
the New World. Thunder Lord guy, which guys that man the design of
56:52
him. He looks like an Easter Island statue with a wig like and a
56:59
mustache. He's got like a what's is it doctor or electric? What's the
57:04
name of the doctor in uh Sonic the Hedgehog that Jim Carrey place. He's
57:07
got that kind of mustache. The Decalvin Brothers World Spider Squad. It's worse
57:15
than we expected. They've got just about every big time captain from the New
57:22
World with them. And there's a woman who's got like all these rings.
57:25
She looks like a madam. I'm very interested in her, unsurprisingly, and
57:34
all of them are just like a Ace, don't worry, We've got your
57:38
back, bro, We're here. And Ace seems truly surprised that they came.
57:45
He really didn't believe that they would bother with him. And I sort
57:51
of like, I wonder if this lends credence to what they are suggesting,
57:55
or it would like, does this warm his heart or does this make him
58:00
sort of sad? If what they were saying about white Beard's motivations is correct,
58:07
do you know what I'm saying. I don't know, but yeah,
58:10
this is the point where a bunch of ships just actually begin to like come
58:15
up from underwater and they are right here, like right in front of where
58:21
they are about to do this execution. They have gotten into the heart of
58:24
the area. And that is so embarrassing, like truly humiliating. And this
58:32
is when Garp's like that figures surprise attack. White Beard so is no fool,
58:40
and this woman just says, Oh, don't act like you're so smart,
58:44
and again, who is she? Like? What is her deal here?
58:50
Florian says, any predictions on white Beard? Will you like him?
58:52
Will he be badass? And does he like Ace because of his blood or
58:55
because he is a good kid? Doc? Is it Eggman? That's a
59:01
terrible name. Thank you, though, Uh my prediction is going to be
59:10
remind me, is white Beard the one that had all of the hoses sticking
59:15
out of him, all of the like the weird blood stuff. I can't
59:22
recall who that because there was somebody who was like huge and they were hooked
59:30
up to machines in a way that I don't know if it was exactly suggesting
59:35
that he was like going to die if he was disconnected, but it did
59:39
seem to suggest that like his abilities or his strength or something came from a
59:46
chemical infusion or blood infusions or something. Florine says, Yeah, that was
59:52
white Beard. Okay, so I'm gonna say I don't like him. I
59:57
didn't like him in that scene. I feel like the vibe that we get
1:00:05
when I see his picture, he's just always sort of smirking, which is
1:00:09
not necessarily a bad trait, Like there are fun characters who are like that.
1:00:15
But I feel like it's going to turn out that he didn't have Ace's
1:00:20
back the way that Ace thought, for the reasons that he thought. But
1:00:23
I will say that because I really because I believe that maybe Ace didn't know
1:00:32
as much about the situation as he thought. But I'm going to say that
1:00:36
I don't believe the military's version of events, and that it was likely not
1:00:43
fully what Ace thought, but it is not at all what they are suggesting
1:00:46
either. I feel like, probably he is going to genuinely care about Ace
1:00:55
on some level, but it will not feel good enough to me, because
1:01:00
that's been sort of a theme of this show at times, is that like
1:01:05
people who are supposed to be the authority figures looking out for our friends that
1:01:10
I have been like unimpressed at the way they've decided to raise them or handle
1:01:15
them, and I haven't really you know, like that's happened a few times.
1:01:20
So I'm just thinking, because I like Ace and I'm a little bit
1:01:23
protective of him, at this point with the story, I'm probably just not
1:01:27
gonna like the person in charge of him. David's's white Bear looks like he's
1:01:34
on life support. Yeah, advanced meds compared to Chopper. Okay, Yeah,
1:01:37
that's what I was thinking. So yeah, that's that's where I stand
1:01:43
on that. I think I probably won't like him, but I will.
1:01:45
I think that I will be intended to like him. I think they they
1:01:52
he will be written in such a way as he is supposed to be likable,
1:01:55
but that I won't like him, and that as much as I can
1:02:01
predict. So so yeah, that's how that episode ends. And I am
1:02:09
really really curious. I mean, like I said, I don't think it's
1:02:14
going to make a difference to Lufy really, and I guess that like the
1:02:17
way that it was presented, it seems like Lufy is aware that Ace isn't
1:02:22
his real brother anyway, like the way that he's brought to this place to
1:02:27
live and Ace is already there. I was operating this whole time, talking
1:02:31
about it that I don't think it'll matter to Lufy, but I think he
1:02:36
knows and it already doesn't matter to him, so yeah, but yeah,
1:02:44
so okay, I have to wrap this up. But thank you guys again
1:02:45
for hanging out with me and for your patients and me having to record this
1:02:49
on a different day. Really really enjoying things and looking forward to finding out
1:02:53
more so. Until then, Tutulu, motherfuckers, that was an unspoiled network.