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Americans DO Have Culture, We Just Didn't Know It | Episode 45 · Propaganda

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back to the show.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_04: You're listening to Propaganda with Mick and Jacob.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're back with another episode today.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to start off the episode with something a little bit, a little bit on the lighter side.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know I feel we can we never uh we never start off that way.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: So some big news for the world, some big news for the U.S.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some big news for me.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: I love soccer, as some of you know.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the World Cup started, and it's being hosted for the first time ever by three countries Canada, the US, and Mexico, primarily the US.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: And man, it has been exciting to see uh just some of the opening games, whatever.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: But also from like a cultural standpoint, it's been fun to see all these visitors coming here, enjoying the games, seeing America, you know, everyone's showing off their their country's pride.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's which I wish the third world, like I'm whatever.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's nice that they do that, you know, because it's like, oh, they're at least proud where they're from where they're from, you know.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: They have a national identity, they all look the same, they speak the same language, they have the same religion, you know.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, man, I wish some of the first world white Christian European countries would also have that same, you know, that same pride and energy and passion that these other countries have.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_03: They don't?
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: They do, but it's not at the same level.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and you know that.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's like I don't know, I don't watch soccer.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sports, especially if you're on the country, especially when you're representing your country, it is a lot of the times downstream from how your country views itself.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because the people of that country, they view themselves a certain way, and the people of that country make up a team, make up the players, you know?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so for example, France is completely ran through with third world migrants, all these people from Africa, all these Muslims from the Middle East, okay?
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what their team looks like.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Their team is all Middle Eastern, their team is all Muslim, their team is all black.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, there's actually no real Frenchman on the team.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's like it's and everyone points it out because it's very obvious to see.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, France still has, they still have pride when they go to the World Cup, but it's like they're not representing the French.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're not representing their French heritage, you know.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, when they won, when they won, a lot of these players they fly their foreign flags.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're not all up there with their French flag, they're up there with their flag.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Happens all the time.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Happens all the time.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, not to go into a tangent, but it's nice to see countries that are proud of themselves and proud of their heritage.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I just wish that that same freedom was allowed towards white countries, Christian countries, European countries.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And don't get me wrong, there are some, like some of the Eastern European countries, um Norway, you know, like some of the some of the other countries where they're not totally um, you know, encompassed by foreign invaders, they still have their national identity left.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's just a quick aside note I was trying to make there.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, everyone's come to the US, and it turns out a lot of people are actually having a good time.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the people are liking the US.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of these people, the US hasn't had the World Cup in like 30-something years.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of these people were too young or were not even born the last time the World Cup was here.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like they're visiting this and they're experiencing this for the first time, having never been to America, having only ever heard negative things about America in the mainstream media, because we're the bad, evil country, right?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then they come here and it's a different world, obviously.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that famous quote, I forget who it's from, but it's like if you want to hate America, like watch the news.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to love it, like drive through the country, you know?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's kind of that whole thing.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: But there's this guy, I kind of bring this up because it's a funny story.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's this German fan who happens to be in the US to watch some of the games, and I'm sure you guys have seen this, he's going viral.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's been like hitting all the main American pit stops, yeah.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: He's been to Buckeys.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's this user on X.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: His name is at Freddy LA7.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, he's from Germany.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: He has 500,000 followers, okay?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: And he's been posting about his time in the US.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: So he said, um, he raved about how green Georgia is, writing, It's crazy, and posted a picture of Taco Bell and a pile of food, declaring the fast food chain the holy land.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: So this is an article from Fox News here reporting on some of the things Freddie said.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, he he went to the Stranger Things filming locations, the Martin Luther King Jr.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: National Historical Park.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: He talked about his experiences at Walmart.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he also said the best discovery of our road trip has been a musician called Ella Langley.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: He wrote on a post showed his view showing his vehicle's music system.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: We had never heard of her before, but after hearing her on pretty much every country radio station, we've become big fans.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's basically the soundtrack of our trip.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_04: Shut up.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Freddie called Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World another surreal place.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: He posted a photo of the selection of rifles in the store and said, I know some people will say I'm too positive about everything I see, he wrote.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: But this place was crazy.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: They had a shooting range in the store.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: So this is like fun.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's in the US.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's in the South.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's seeing guns.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's seeing fast food.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's seeing country, right?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: All these things.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, hold on.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: These are things that are new to him.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: These are things that are different from where he's from.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: These are, you know, some things that might you make you believe we have a culture.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: We have some things that belong to us.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: We have something that are uniquely American.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying like that our entire culture is fast food or country music.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm saying like these things that are normal to us and that we sometimes even hate on, other countries don't have them to the same extent.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: These aren't this is different.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is a different culture almost.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's almost like a part of our national identity.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just kind of funny.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like we take Taco Bells for granted.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say the Holy Land.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's eye-opening to see someone else come to our country for the first time and experience all these things that we see on the daily.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's kind of like people that live in Europe and see like the great, you know, thousands of year old like ruins and buildings, and they're like, oh yeah, whatever.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_04: And we're like, this is the coolest thing ever.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_04: Not that it's even not that Taco Bell is even comparable to that.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: But it is our Holy Land.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_04: It is kind of it is almost.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but this is the part I wanted to point out.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: Said in another post he wrote, I love Americans.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: We were about to walk an hour to the stadium in the rain to save on an Uber.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the receptionist at the hotel we were parked in front of decided to drive us there.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because where is he?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's down south.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_04: Where where is it?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_04: Where are they at?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was in Georgia when he was writing about this stuff.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: You said that.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of I think one of the uh stadiums is Atlanta.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: The point of me bringing this up is because this, I would say, is actually this is actually a little bit more important than Taco Bell in Bass Pro Shop and Ellen Langley.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's talking about that he loves Americans.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're nice, they're accepting, they're welcoming, you know?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard this from a lot of people that have gone overseas, a lot of people that have gone to Europe, a lot of people that have visited foreign countries.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Most people are not as nice and welcoming and isn't and inviting as people in the US, as Americans, especially those down south, those in the Midwest, you know, people that are very down-to-earth, they're very respectful and polite.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: That is, I'm not saying it's uniquely American, I'm not saying that that's there's nowhere else in the world that's like that, but it is certainly an aspect of us that sets us apart from a lot of places.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny that he makes point of that, you know, in his post, in all these viral posts that he's making, whatever, he points that out.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, it's not some like deep philosophical point or anything, but it's like, okay, we are actually a group of people in a country, and we have similar thoughts and ideas, and even a similar way, even a similar way we treat people and we treat foreigners and other people.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of the reasons why we are so inviting to other people coming here.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Even to a fault, I might add.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Our demise.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Also, a lot of these other countries, uh they say okay, they say America is this evil racist place, right?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of these other countries, they are, if you want to say racist, they are actually racist, right?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: They have they treat people differently.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: In the US, that does not exist.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know it.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you are being honest with yourself, you know that does not exist, okay?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, there are racist people here.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's actually racist people towards whites and towards blacks and towards all different types of groups that are not their own.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there are racists.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be everywhere, that'll be for all of human history, any anywhere you go.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: As a culture, as a culture, as a country, the US is not a racist place.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: It is the most accepting place of anyone else on earth.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: And like we were saying, yes, sometimes even to a fault.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes where you're letting foreign invaders by the millions come in here.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: All that to say, you and I were told our entire lives, if you're young especially, you were told your entire lives that the US doesn't have a culture.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're not a people group.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have an identity.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: We are a random mixture of melting pot of people that are randomly dropped off in a location that has some borders.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Not even.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some land we stole.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: They water down the American identity.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: And yet you see other people come here and they notice something different.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: You see other people that are from foreign countries that want to come here and they see something different.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: There is something appealable, there is something actually tangible too when they're here.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can see it, you can feel it, you notice it.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: Something we take for granted, and something we've been told to hate too.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it's there.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: And even though it's getting erased, actually, by so many of these other people coming here, it has always been here.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not as strong as it once was, but it was not that long ago where this country was a white, Christian, of European descent, and largely polite, respectful, God-fearing people.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: That is what this country was.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: That does not mean that there were not other groups of people.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: That does not mean that there were not other people coming here and settling here, or people that were brought here, or people that were here before.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean they don't exist.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: It just means that's what the country largely was.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be even more noticeable, and it actually used to be something good.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: People were proud of that.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: People were proud of their country.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: It meant something to them.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: They had a reason to get up every day, a reason to fight for things, a reason to be a good neighbor to someone else.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you used to have those things.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's encouraging to us, especially the younger generation, as we've been told our entire life that doesn't exist, to see, hey, well, some of it still does exist.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, some of it might be worth fighting for, holding on to, you know?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're reminded of this, funny enough, when someone from outside of your culture comes and sees it.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And the easiest way to think about this is why do you think so many people want to come here?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying it's because of Taco Bell and country music, but I'm saying there's something here.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about this on a few episodes ago, where America is not just an idea, it's actually something real, you know?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if you just want to say, oh, it's for freedom, oh, it's for it's for having a better life, oh, it's for yeah, those are all reasons.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Those are all appealable aspects of America.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's all something America was built on.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we should learn, we should appreciate, we should respect these things and not necessarily take them for granted.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think it's really hard to, for a lot of us, it's hard to see it, it's hard to notice it, it's hard to appreciate it, especially when you have all these people telling you well, telling you, A, it doesn't exist, and B, what does exist is not worth celebrating, not worth encouraging, and it's not uniquely American.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I think we yearn for that too, going back to your, you know, how strong it used to be, even gosh, even like 50 years ago.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: I think we yearn for that, and that's proven by us adoring this German fan coming here and experiencing what we experience every day.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it kind of like not okay, not to look into it too deep, but it does bring everyone together.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: And no, it's it's funny too.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's like we we like to feel that American spirit, whether you're left-leaning, right leaning, Republican, liberal, right?
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_04: We love to say, yeah, actually we are amazing.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: And that's right.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like you coming here and experiencing what we get to live every day is so cool.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like they talk about it all the time.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, why are their food portions so big?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Why are there so many fast food restaurants?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Why are the buildings, why are there skyscrapers everywhere?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like they say all these things, and it's like, yeah, we I guess we do have that, you know?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Why does everyone drive big trucks?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy to them that people here have cars.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has a car.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone has big trucks, you know?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: And they think that's so funny because it's like that's not what it's like over there.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's not how it is from where they're from.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_04: But I think I think we like feeling tied together.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I think we don't we don't get to experience that a lot because we're so opinionated and divided.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: That when something like this does happen, you know, having a German fan experience, like I said, our culture.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it kind of it kind of shows that we one, do have one, and two, you are actually really proud of it.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like music, movies, car culture, yeah, gun culture, you know, even a lot of a lot of politics just in the US is followed worldwide, you know?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like there is a sense in there was like we said, there was yeah, even a bigger sense of this before.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: But like there's a sense of freedom here, there's a sense of self-identity, there's a self, there's a sense of controlling your future, making decisions that impact yourself, you know?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whether they're good or bad, they have consequences.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and a lot of other countries don't feel that to the same degree we do.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's like it's kind of an encouraging thing to see and to remember.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: So okay, so switching gears completely, we have another barbaric story of a piece of trash migrant harming people of the communities they claim they want to assimilate to and take refuge in and be a part of.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Where are we this time in the world?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: Where are we this time?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, let's take a guess.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: It happens every week.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, it does feel like every week.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: We've had we've had like one per episode for the past like month.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the culprit from?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the victim from?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's usually only two continents.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: Let's take a wild guess.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_04: All right, ready, guys?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so on the morning of June 8th, so just last week at this point, um, a Sudanese man is filmed in the streets of Belfast, Ireland.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: And he's attempting to behead.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, behead an Irish man in his 40s.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: So the altercation, it was filmed on video, obviously, because we live in that age where stuff like this is just filmed and posted everywhere on social media for everyone to see.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it circulated everywhere.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, it went viral, and you can see this Sudanese man on top of the Irishman, and he's pinning him to the ground, like literally straddling him, pinning him to the ground, and he has a knife and he's stabbing him in the in the face, in the neck.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_04: He's going at it, like he's literally trying to saw off this man's head.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's there's no question about it.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_04: He's not it's it's a beheading, you know.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: And this happened in like broad daylight.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like it did, yeah.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Just on the street.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_04: Literally in the middle of the street.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_04: And it's yeah, it's really hard to watch because it is in broad daylight, and you're like, this kind of thing should happen in the back alley of some like I don't know, rough suburb of some city and wherever.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: But no, it's just it's literally in the middle of the street, and you have this crowd of people watching it happen, filming it, and they're like, what is going on?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: So eventually, bystanders did intervene and they were able to like tackle the migrant and like get him off of the their fellow Irishman.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: But the victim, Stephen Ogilvy, Ogilvy, dude, these names Ogilvy.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: Ogilvy, Stephen Ogilvy, he's in critical condition, is hospitalized, and it's been reported that he is uh partially blind in his left eye now.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_04: So his left eye either was completely taken out, stabbed, whatever.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't have eyesight anymore in his left eye.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_04: And he has a bunch of injuries to his neck, his back, his face, and he's in pretty bad condition.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: So this Sudanese man that attempted the beheading, his name is Hadi Aladid.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: He's an asylum seeker from Sudan.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: And he had entered the UK back in 2023 and was granted leave to remain until 2028, meaning his visa is basically just extended.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_04: So he's been legally granted permission by the government to stay for a certain period of time.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: And Al Adid is officially charged with attempted murder.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, good, great.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: But the Irish are pissed, and rightfully so.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_04: They've been rioting in the streets over this, setting cars on fire, buildings on fire.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: They've been targeting immigrant businesses and homes and they've been trashing them.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: And the media is calling this an anti-immigration protest and claiming that they're targeting people for their skin color or where they're from.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_04: And just to preface, I don't think either of us think that rioting in this way is a good answer to anything.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_04: I don't really think it accomplishes much.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: In my opinion, I know you might think different.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: You're kind of quiet.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't think it accomplishes much.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_04: Because I feel like we're always I think we're always held more accountable.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like the people with the George Floyd riots, and I know that's in the US, not in the UK, but they're held accountable, they're not held accountable for it.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: But the second that Right, these guys might be going to jail for this.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm I think they have, and they've arrested like hundreds of some people.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's probably not as effective just setting cars on fire and going after migrants.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like, and yeah, I'm not trying to say they should be violent against them or anything.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: But this is what happens when people are fed up and ignored and pushed to their limits and allowed to just be overran and totally neglected by their government, by their people, you know.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like it's good to finally see white people standing up.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you can say, oh, well, they shouldn't be doing that.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they shouldn't be targeting, well, they should be going after the government, not the people.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, it's good to finally see some people standing up for themselves, standing up for their country.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is ridiculous how long this has been going on at the scale it's been going on, essentially everywhere in the first world, which are largely white countries, like, and that's what's happening.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: You can't, you literally cannot argue with that.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's happening.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it's good to finally see people being sick of it and taking things into their own hands and doing something with it.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now, okay, if you set some migrants' cars on fire, are they gonna leave?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's not, it's probably not the most effective form, but it's like, what else do they do?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Do they they vote?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, go vote.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go vote.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: That'll fix it.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, good stuff.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go vote.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, they'll I'm sure they'll just all leave, right?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure whoever you elect is just gonna send them all back.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's not how that works.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, I'm not saying break the law, I'm not saying whatever, but it's like that is what people turn to.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you push people for long enough, and I know we're shocked.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, what?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: But they're white, they're not supposed to be doing that.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, they're they're supposed to just lay out the red carpet for everyone else to come in their country and bow to them and then give them all their free crap so that they can live here while we suffer and we get taxed more for our stuff, you know?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's what white people are supposed to do.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: White people aren't supposed to, you know, organize and mass protest in the streets.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's not what you guys are supposed to do.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, well, that's sometimes what people do when they're fed up and when they're pissed off about what's going on and how they're being treated.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is, this is the problem, that the government there they are enforcing the law differently.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's on a different basis, obviously, right?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: But they are going after, they are mass promoting this law enforcement, this new whatever, new agenda here to stop the racist protesters.
• 20:16
  unknown: Okay?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, this is violent, this is terrible.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, he shouldn't have stabbed him and tried to behead him.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: But but what's worse is that you guys are being racist about it, you know?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like that proves the point, you know, even more so.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: They won't even admit that like that guy shouldn't have been here.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, we let him in here.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's let's get rid of him and other people so that you guys can actually feel at home in your own country and you have a safe place to live.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: They're not saying that.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're saying, Yeah, why are you guys being so racist and rioting, you're destroying things against these poor immigrants that are just seeking that are just seeking shelter, you know?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_04: The police, their their prime minister, they all commented on the fact that guys, guys, calm down.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: Whoa, like let's not be, let's not be doing this, let's not be targeting innocent people.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, yeah, okay, yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like they're like, we don't condone any type of violence.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like this is terrible.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: But but hey, hey, also, what's terrible is one of your own just got almost just got beheaded and is injured seriously for the rest of his life.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: His life has been, I shouldn't say ruin, what his life has been ruined, you know?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: So sorry, back to your thing, back to your point.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's probably not as effective as they hope.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you shouldn't break the law.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the the biggest problem is that you don't want these people.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: There's there will be backlash against these people, almost certainly.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if they can find out who they are, there will be backlash.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like I don't know.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Is it effective if you're charged and in jail and then you then you really can't vote?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like is it like probably not?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_04: But it's almost like this is the monster that has been created, right?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: And there's this all this like build.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Up anger and energy and I disagree.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I disagree with the people that are like, why are you guys doing this?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is not the way to handle it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: The way to handle it is at the ballot box.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, yeah, you think?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's not really working.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying they should like rise up and like, whatever, start a civil war against.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like, you guys don't think they've tried that?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: You don't think that happened a certain amount of times, and we still got to this point?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, well, so, anyways, that's not that's not what it's gonna fix it.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not necessarily saying the rioting is, but it's like the other way also isn't fixing it.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's tough because both I feel like won't really do anything.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_04: Because now the finger is just pointed at the Irish people.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's never the person that pokes the bear that gets in trouble.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's always the bear's reaction.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: And it's always, oh, see, you guys are you guys are violent.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: You are targeting people because they're immigrants and they're skin color, you're racist.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like, this is why it's a hostile environment.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's like what they said about the Henry uh Henry Novak, Henry Novak, like however you say his name.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they said about him was like, well, guys, don't make this a racial thing.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's not racial.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, yeah, it kind of is.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: If there's two different justice systems for the two different groups, and then would he have done that to someone that looked like him?
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know Henry Novak wouldn't have done that to someone who looked like Vikram Digwa.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like anyone.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, okay, so it's it's like the the left and the media, what they don't understand is that it's not this hate towards a certain group of people, or it's not even a hate towards immigrants, it's a love for their country.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_04: And it's a it's a want to see their country return to what it once was, to what their grandparents got to experience.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: They don't, they feel robbed of that.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: They feel like they didn't get to experience that what was rightfully and should have been handed down to them.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that it's the want to see their country get back to what it once was that's fueling these that's fueling these people, not the hate for just these immigrants.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: Immigrants, yeah, they're part of the problem, but they're mad at their government too.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: They're mad that they're not, yeah, their government isn't doing anything about it.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's the key difference that people are not understanding when they go on social media and they rant about it and all these racists in Ireland and no, they want their home back.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: They want all of these people that think it's okay to be head their their own out, and that's perfectly reasonable.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that's just natural law.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's human law, that's always been the case.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: You don't let people who hate you and want to destroy you and everything you've built and hurt you and your family.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: You don't let them into your country.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: You don't invite them to the table to eat.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: When it's this obvious, when it's this clearly known that they hate you, they're not trying to fit in, they don't like you, they're not trying to assimilate, they have nothing positive to say about you or your culture, they're just there to take from you.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Throughout all of human history, you don't let these people, they you don't let these people in then.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Simple as that.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: People, people make the decision and then they're gone.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Here in the modern world, how we live now, it's like, well, sorry, but the government said they want them here.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, all these left-wing policies, they're encouraging them to come here.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing you can do about it.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing you as a voter can do about it.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing you as a citizen can do about it.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing you as someone who's lived there for 200 or 500 or 1,000 years, they don't care about you.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like the natural law, this natural desire to want to have something, protect it, and care for it.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: And be with people that are like you.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's only allowed for certain groups, right?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like all the people in Africa, all the people in Asia, all these other countries, they're allowed to have their group identity.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: They're allowed to be with people that are like them, that worship the same gods, that speak the same language, that enjoy the same things.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're allowed that.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually encouraged, you know?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then the people that live in the US, in Canada, in other parts of the world, we are actually made to feel bad about the people who used to live here and that largely inhabited this land.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're meant to feel bad that we took over from their stuff.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: But while we're here, it's encouraged and promoted that other people come here, that other people come here and then invade on our space.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's encouraged.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's literally the only scenario where that is encouraged, positive, enforced, promoted at all levels is the one I just explained.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Nowhere else is that okay.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we you you know how like you see those videos about like these uncontacted tribes and these like islands that are like remote and no one's ever been there.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Would it be okay if the Irish went to that island and took it over?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Would it be okay if the US went to that island and took it over?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I know those things have happened throughout history, right?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: But everyone's mad about that.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: No one supports that, everyone's against that.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: So why is it okay now that these people come here?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: The US, you want to say, okay, we took this land from the Native Americans, we took this land from the Indians, okay?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Paid for it, fought about it.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: They lost, we won, we're here.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: You want to say that, that's totally fine.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: How do you argue with England, with France, with Germany, with Ireland, where the native inhabitants of that people, of that place, they're still there.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they have mixed with other groups throughout history.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they have been taken over and conquered and regained themselves throughout throughout human history at different points.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: But are those not the native people of their land?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Where is their right to have their own identity?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Where is their right to have freedom and protection from foreign invasions?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do you get what I'm saying?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like, it's a good comparison.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because they always want to stand up for the Native Americans.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, they were here first, guys.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Native peoples, first peoples, first islanders, whatever you want to say.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: But then you have an example, right, in Europe where people have been there for thousands of years.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: These countries, they date back, yeah, hundreds, thousands, people, people, families have been there for thousands of years.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: And then when the foreign invaders come and they fight back against it and they say, actually, we don't want that, they're racist.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's frowned upon for white people to live in the state of Hawaii, the United States of Hawaii.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is frowned upon for white people to move there, even though it's one of our states.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: But however, it is not frowned upon when Ireland, you know, also a part of another island, is being forcefully by their own government, mass invaded by foreigners.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like make it make sense.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Show the standard both ways, it'll never be the both, it'll never be both ways.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's this is not to point out like if the shoe were on the other foot, I mean, it's like obviously that's not even it's not even in the remote realm of possibilities.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like that's how obvious it is.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's how in your face it is.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how you get people that get fed up and pissed off and want to make a difference and want to do things.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like Well, because they're totally respectful.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I can't argue with them, you know.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like they're totally respect everybody else.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: But then when they get no respect in return, you know, like it will boil over at some point.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_04: And it's unfortunate it gets to that point because yeah, now you do have innocent people taking the fall for it and having their business burned.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's not that's not okay either.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_04: But this is the monster that their government has created because they've pushed aside their own people for so long and welcome than everybody else.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Hey guys, okay, welcome, guys.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: And then they're like, Well, what about us?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, like we're being beheaded on the streets, and all you can do is comment on the fact that we're upset about it.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's the violence you don't condone.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: When England came to the US, when Spain came to the US, when France, when all these people set up their colonies, it was very well known that in order to take over land, you had to go, you had to go to war and you had to fight over it.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, the people who won are here, right?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: I totally get that.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: People want to conquer other peoples, people want to move to other places and take control.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like that's how it is today, even with the third warlords coming here, you know?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're not trying to fit in, they're trying to make it their own.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're trying to change it to where they came from, you know?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, okay, if you want to do this, then admit you're at war, you know?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: If the Irish people are at war and they need to defend themselves and they are not being listened to, not being cared for, purposely being letting their society get ran over, then are they not at war too?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do they not need to stand up for themselves?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do they not need to fight for what they have left for their identity?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, and I know this isn't 300 years ago when all that was largely happening, but it's the same principle, is it not?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: People have the right to defend themselves.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: And if they lose, they lose and they get taken over, correct?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem is throughout all of human history, you always had that right to defend yourself.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in today's world, in the first world countries, we don't have that right.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're not allowed to, you're not allowed to question it.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're not even allowed to say it, you're not even allowed to talk about it without it being racist, you know?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it's Yep.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to even fight back when you're not supposed to talk about it.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's important to bring up.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and it's um it's frightening too because that's exactly where the US is at too.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want it to get to that point, but it's going to get to that point.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's heading there.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not everywhere, but it's it's there.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's there.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: It'll head there because we're sick of being put last and yeah, being told that we don't have a right to say, actually, we want we want to keep our country how it is.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: And you don't get to take it over and push all of your customs and your norms on us.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want to hear the Muslim call to prayer in my neighborhood, and that's okay for me to say.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: And it should be okay for me to say, but everyone, everyone in the comments, you know, you racist.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: They have a right to their religion too.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: They do, but I shouldn't have to hear it at 6 a.m.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: And this is not to say go riot.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not condoning anyone to do that.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying whatever pick up arms in the streets.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying it makes sense why people are doing that.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: I totally get it.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying go do that.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying don't give up on your system and your party and and voting and trying to make a difference that way.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: I believe we still have a chance here too, however slim it may be, you know.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's still possible.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, it's just hard to keep fighting for when like you only ever see it trending in one direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the US, you could be like, maybe there's hope, but it's like, I don't even know, really.
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  SPEAKER_00: After what we've seen recently, I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's like these other countries, these European countries, you get left or you get slightly less left.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's who you get a vote for.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you get slightly more immigration or slightly more illegal immigration.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like, have your choice.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, yeah, they're fed up, and what can they do about it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Every election cycle, their vote matters less.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: Every election cycle, there's fewer of them, there's fewer of you and more of them.
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