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Kyle Turner - Buckingham Manufacturing of Binghamton, NY · Aired Out

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Speaker 2: in here and had plenty to say. This morning, woke
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Speaker 2: up to the news that apparently nelson Ace Hardware right
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Speaker 2: before anywhere else. You know, you should know by now
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Speaker 2: I get some good, resourceful information that's been vetted, i'll
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Speaker 2: report it to you. But in the meanwhile, from what
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Speaker 2: I understand, everybody is okay over at Nelson's Ace Hardware
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Deb, How are you.
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Speaker 2: deb So we have our.
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Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool. Well, you know, there's gonna be
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Speaker 2: this morning. On Wednesdays, we feature the one and only
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Speaker 2: Sweethearts and Heroes. Kyle Turner is with us our guest
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Speaker 2: this time around. Good morning, sir. You are the CEO
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Speaker 2: of Buck Am I right?
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Speaker 1: You are right.
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Speaker 2: I've heard an awful lot about you. What is Buck?
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Speaker 2: It is your words. You guys make safety equipment for climbers,
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Speaker 2: specifically Lineman Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Bucking and Manufacturing is a a couple out of
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Speaker 1: Bingham to New York. It's been around since eighteen ninety
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Speaker 1: six and we focus heavily in keeping workers safe that
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Speaker 1: work at heights. So we have a high concentration in
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Speaker 1: the utility industry for your alignment that work on poles. Poles,
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Speaker 1: towers and that sort. And we do a lot of
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Speaker 1: work with arboris as well because they're in the work
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Speaker 1: at height and they use similar gear.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, so we're talking about stuff like safety straps, climber pads,
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Speaker 2: body belts, stuff like this.
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's a lot of it. The lanyards, the climbing spikes, yep,
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Speaker 1: the safety belts that we call them, the woodpole fall restrictions,
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Speaker 1: squeeze as they call it. For somebody slips on a
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Speaker 1: pole or does a misstep, it'll grab them as they
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Speaker 1: as they are so they don't fall down the pole,
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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Is it completely impossible for you to be scared of
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Speaker 2: heights and be involved as alignment?
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Speaker 1: No? Wow, I guess the question was is it impossible
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Speaker 1: to be scared heights? No, anybody could be scared heights
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Speaker 1: and you know it to use the gear to work
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Speaker 1: at heights. To be alignment still requires a lot of training.
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Speaker 1: It is a skilled industry. There are a lot of
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Speaker 1: courses required to get you trained to work safely at
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Speaker 1: he is. There's a lot of safety equipment, but mistakes
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Speaker 1: can still be had.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that something interesting? How did you, Kyle, how did
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Speaker 2: you meet Tom Murphy, Ricky Irish, how did you get
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Speaker 2: involved with Sweethearts in Heroes. So we're just kind of
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Speaker 2: getting around.
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Speaker 1: So Buckingham Manufacturing is big in the utility industry. We
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Speaker 1: don't just we think of ourselves as a partner to
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Speaker 1: the industry. You know, we're not just a vendor to
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Speaker 1: the industry. So we're in a lot of associations. We
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Speaker 1: have relationships with a lot of the major industry associations.
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Speaker 1: We go to a lot of events, we do a
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Speaker 1: lot of sponsorships. And it came back to us through
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Speaker 1: multiple channels that Tom was working with several associations that
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Speaker 1: we're familiar with on his program Sweethearts and hero and
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Speaker 1: through Heroes and through that, we were talking to different
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Speaker 1: association partners that we have and kind of asked the
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Speaker 1: details of the program, what was it involved, how what
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Speaker 1: value do they see in it? Are they behind it?
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Speaker 1: And you know, we saw some interest there because, like
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Speaker 1: like I said, we're really focused on keeping people safe,
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Speaker 1: and you know, through our investigation in Sweethearts and Heroes,
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Speaker 1: we learn more about the statistics and that it's more
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Speaker 1: than just physical safety, there's mental safety. And you know,
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Speaker 1: after digging into it. We connected with Tom, and Tom
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Speaker 1: and his group came down and spoke to us in
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Speaker 1: detail and met with myself. Our ownership. I'm the CEO,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not the owner. That's a family owned organization,
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Speaker 1: the Batty family. Andy Batty owns it with his two sons.
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Speaker 1: And Tom came down and spoke to myself and a
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Speaker 1: group of us, including Andy himself, and we decided that
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Speaker 1: we wanted to get involved.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, big shout out to North Line Utilities in
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Speaker 2: New York. I mean these guys, uh you know them
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Speaker 2: well yep. And they were like, you need to you
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Speaker 2: need to get on board with this fifth wire program.
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Speaker 2: We hear the words of fifth wire and you don't
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Speaker 2: have to be an electrician to know there used to
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Speaker 2: be three wires. Then I think they added four Layman's
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Speaker 2: terms here, but there's never really been a fifth.
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Speaker 1: Correct. Now. I'm not alignment, so I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: try to defend the structure of the utility lines.
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Speaker 2: But yes, what is that fifth wire? To you guys?
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is a pilot program that
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Speaker 2: I want you to talk a little bit more about
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Speaker 2: what exactly that you're doing. But what is that fifth wire?
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Speaker 2: That's that's your your your figurative safety harness.
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Speaker 1: It is, you know. And again we learned a lot
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Speaker 1: of this from Tom. But and you and I were
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Speaker 1: talking about this moments ago, you know, before the call.
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Speaker 1: But the lineman industry, uh, you know, we tracked the
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Speaker 1: injury statistics significantly. I go to a lot of conferences
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Speaker 1: that talk about physical injury injury statistics. They break it
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Speaker 1: down minor injuries to major injuries, and it it's a
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Speaker 1: lot of the physical injuries have been on decline, but
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Speaker 1: what's not on decline are the uh, I guess I'll
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Speaker 1: call it the mental injuries. It's it's one of our
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Speaker 1: industry is one of the highest suicide rates. And like
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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about before, it's even higher
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Speaker 1: than the Marines. So the Fifth Wire program is designed
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Speaker 1: to start scratching the surface of of of that and
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Speaker 1: address that issue of you know, mental issues and suicide
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Speaker 1: rates in the industry. And I've i've I've had the
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Speaker 1: privilege of talking to Tom and and and being with
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Speaker 1: Tom at a lot of association events, and the Fifth
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Speaker 1: Wire program is heavy and meeting with linemen, uh, sitting
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Speaker 1: with them. Tom has a format where he'll sit everybody
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Speaker 1: in a circle, and he'll get them to open up
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Speaker 1: and talk about He starts with minor issues just to
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Speaker 1: kind of open everybody up, go through some exercises. That's
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Speaker 1: where Tom's gifted in that area. He can get people
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Speaker 1: to open up in an environment of linemen which are
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Speaker 1: usually you know, tough Burley, don't share anything, and then
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Speaker 1: he can get them to open up and and eventually,
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Speaker 1: if there is some some stress there, something that needs
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Speaker 1: to be addressed, Tom will pull it out and you know,
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Speaker 1: talking about it, admitting to it and seeking help is
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Speaker 1: the first step. And you know, and then working with
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Speaker 1: Tom and talking to others who see benefit in Tom's program,
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Speaker 1: we realize that's just as important as the physical protection
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Speaker 1: that we provide with our gear.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle, I don't need to tell you this, you
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Speaker 2: already know. I mean, there's there's plenty of linemen and
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Speaker 2: employees that are kind of doing just fine. They're not
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Speaker 2: really bogged down with negative emotions or stress outside of
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Speaker 2: the job. They're doing okay. But what's nice is that
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Speaker 2: they've got a high regard for their fellow linemen who
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Speaker 2: may be covering up something or may show clearly that
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Speaker 2: they're just not firing on all four cylinders. And that
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Speaker 2: is the cool part is that anyone who's sitting in
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Speaker 2: a circle who is saying, I may not feel like
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Speaker 2: I need this, but I respect that the guy sitting
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Speaker 2: next to me might, and I may I might not
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Speaker 2: even be aware of that, and I that seems to
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Speaker 2: be kind of a general consensus of really anyone who's
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Speaker 2: sitting in a circle group with sweethearts and heroes.
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I think what a lot of
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Speaker 1: people don't realize, You know, Ligneman, you go to enough
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Speaker 1: of these you know, I've been in the industry for
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Speaker 1: several years, and you go to a lot of conferences,
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Speaker 1: you work with a lot of alignment people don't realize
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Speaker 1: the stress that the alignment are under. And like you
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Speaker 1: just said, there's a lot that are healthy that a
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Speaker 1: lot don't have the challenge. But I would argue that
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Speaker 1: more do then you would realize. But it may be
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Speaker 1: focused at a point in time and then they feel better.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that's unique to us is what people
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Speaker 1: don't realize is there's a major hurricane, there's a major storm.
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Speaker 1: You know, a hit, a city gets hit. You can't
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Speaker 1: just move everybody out. Now, you've got hospitals, you've got
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Speaker 1: people at home on medical equipment, You've got you've got businesses,
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Speaker 1: you've got operations, you've got an area that wants to
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Speaker 1: reconstruct after the storm will without electricity. That's either none
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Speaker 1: of that's either gonna happen or it's gonna be significant.
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's a big thing. The linemen have
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Speaker 1: to put physical stress aside, mental stress aside, and they
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Speaker 1: have to work ridiculous hours and ridiculous conditions. And it
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Speaker 1: is a physical job and it requires a ton of
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Speaker 1: mental acuity. So when you have to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: on the top of your game for that many hours,
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Speaker 1: back to back, for that many days or into the
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Speaker 1: weeks because you need to restore power because that hospital,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of patience. They can't move
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Speaker 1: because in this neighborhood there's somebody you know, on healthcare
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Speaker 1: equipment that can't be off of it for more than
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. I mean, they're they're hustling, and they're
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Speaker 1: put under pressure, and they're asked to move faster, and
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Speaker 1: they're asked to take smaller breaks, and that puts people,
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Speaker 1: That puts stress on people eating and you may yeah,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, and you may think it's exciting at first,
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Speaker 1: and to some of them it is an adrenaline rush.
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Speaker 1: But that but do it for days or weeks on end,
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Speaker 1: and you're kidding yourself if you're not under standing why
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Speaker 1: some of them get so burnout so fast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Eight Tom says eighty three percent of linemen struggle
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Speaker 2: with mental health.
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Speaker 1: Now, I wouldn't be surprised in those conditions. You know,
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Speaker 1: you're you're working at a height that would scare the
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Speaker 1: hell out of most people. You're working with high current,
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Speaker 1: high voltage lines. You're you're acknowledging you're in an unsafe environment,
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Speaker 1: and you're trying to follow the practices that you've been taught.
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Speaker 2: And then and then throw in throw in desperation, throw
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Speaker 2: in urgency, throw in exhaustion, exhaustion, crazy hours. This isn't like, hey,
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Speaker 2: I've worked my my ten hour shift. I'm taking a
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Speaker 2: couple of hours off. I mean, and and throw in
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Speaker 2: some weather, throw in in ice storm or it's poor
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Speaker 2: and rain, And it's not like you can be like, hey, guys,
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Speaker 2: we got to tap the brakes here. We'll put this
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Speaker 2: off until the weather improves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you meet enough of these guys, I mean, they're beasts.
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Speaker 1: They're physically strong, mentally strong, but everybody has a breaking point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the exact stormal test. That a stormal test that and
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Speaker 1: when a lot of these environmental test that.
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Speaker 2: When you're getting a phone call from home from your
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Speaker 2: wife or your husband who is upset about something, or
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Speaker 2: your kid has fallen and broken their leg, you've got
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Speaker 2: to compartmentalize this kind of stuff and put it on
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Speaker 2: a shelf and be like, I got to get up
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Speaker 2: on the line right now. I need to have one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent of my focus on what's in front of
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Speaker 2: me and what I'm doing, not ninety five percent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you talk to a lot of them, too,
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Speaker 1: many of them have had a friend or a family
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Speaker 1: where it's it's it's it's an industry where there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of legacies, a lot of families who you know,
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Speaker 1: the grandfather was a lieman, the father was a lime
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Speaker 1: in the son's life. But you talk to enough of
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Speaker 1: linemen in the industry, and too many of them have
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Speaker 1: experience where somebody was severely injured or killed, so they
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Speaker 1: carry that with him too. So it's not that they're
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Speaker 1: taught that this is dangerous. Many of them know somebody
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Speaker 1: who through through just something outside of their control unfortunately
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Speaker 1: didn't survive the workday.
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Speaker 2: Do you think, Kyle, that the culture that historically stigmatizes
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Speaker 2: mental health and suicide, that that culture is being chipped
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Speaker 2: away at.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm an old man. I grew up
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Speaker 1: in the seventies and you know, it wasn't talked about
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Speaker 1: as much. And I'm not going to speak out of
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Speaker 1: turn because that'd be irresponsible of me. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's it's gone up, mental health
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Speaker 1: issues have gone up. I don't know if it's just that,
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Speaker 1: you know, social media and news reporting has made it
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Speaker 1: more obvious to everybody. I don't you know, I can't
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Speaker 1: speak to that, but I can see over the years,
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Speaker 1: just in my general personal life a lot more focus
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Speaker 1: on it, on mental health. I mean, I have a
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Speaker 1: what my oldest daughter went into social work because she
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Speaker 1: was very interested in helping people and in mental health.
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Speaker 1: So it's in my family mental health and that and
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Speaker 1: and you know, the psychology of it has been a focus.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that that exposure, that that talking
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Speaker 1: about it more has removed a lot of the stigma.
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Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, this is an industry
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Speaker 1: full of of macho men and women. I mean there's
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Speaker 1: women entering the industry. But to do what I said
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Speaker 1: they have to do, they have to be tough. And
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Speaker 1: tough is physical and mental, and sometimes those are conflicting roles.
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Speaker 1: You know, to be you know, push yourself to be tougher,
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Speaker 1: to be tougher. Nothing hurts, Nothing hurts. Sometimes conflicts whether
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Speaker 1: you got to recognize something's not working here, so there's
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Speaker 1: a conflict.
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Speaker 2: You don't And and I note that this discussion has
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Speaker 2: taken place in circle, but it's also like trying to
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Speaker 2: read your brother or your sister next to you and
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Speaker 2: just making sure that they're okay. You know, we just
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Speaker 2: got to comment here. They live where this storm happens,
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Speaker 2: and they leave their homes and their families to restore power.
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Speaker 2: Most time they leave the destruction of their own property
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Speaker 2: and keep their composure. Some great comments coming in this morningly,
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's spot on right there.
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Speaker 1: That does happen, Yes, And then there's the flip. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that are storm chasers. They leave
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Speaker 1: their home to go towards a storm, and then they're
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Speaker 1: away from home for weeks, they're not sleeping, you know,
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Speaker 1: some of them. There's some of these major storm events
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Speaker 1: they'll have like bunk houses cots, so sometimes they're leaving
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Speaker 1: home to sleep on a cot, to get a few hours.
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Speaker 1: They get to restore an area where they don't live.
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Speaker 1: And you know, you could argue which one's more stressful
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Speaker 1: to be that far away from your family and your
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Speaker 1: support network in that environment or to be to be
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Speaker 1: near them where you can at least check and make
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Speaker 1: sure they're okay. But either way, I wouldn't envy it.
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Speaker 2: What is what is the fifth Wire program? What is
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Speaker 2: this pilot program that Buck is saying, we got to
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Speaker 2: be part of this. We're doing this, so it's you know.
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Speaker 1: We're helping Tom out. We can't take any credit for
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Speaker 1: Tom's work, but we're backing Tom to be able to
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Speaker 1: get exposed through throughout the utility industry, but to contractors,
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Speaker 1: to utilities, to union halls, to get contact with them
22:43
Speaker 1: and offer up repeated services where he actually allows them
22:48
Speaker 1: to bring forward their employees to have this face time
22:51
Speaker 1: with Tom, to do these circle groups with Tom, for
22:54
Speaker 1: Tom to educate them on the challenges that he's seen
22:56
Speaker 1: working with others and to give get Tom to get
22:59
Speaker 1: them to open up up and share with Tom, whether
23:02
Speaker 1: they're having a challenge or whether they know someone that
23:04
Speaker 1: has a challenge, and that opportunity to identify some whether
23:09
Speaker 1: that has a challenge, or that opportunity to speak about
23:11
Speaker 1: your personal challenges is something that he's creating in the
23:15
Speaker 1: industry and it wasn't there before. And I know he's
23:19
Speaker 1: working with several organizations right now on that, and he's
23:22
Speaker 1: talking to several more, and he's traveling, like I said,
23:24
Speaker 1: to a lot of the industry events. Tom's now a speaker,
23:28
Speaker 1: you know, pushing this initiative further and further throughout the industry.
23:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. The nineteen part fifth Wire Hope series hold on
23:39
Speaker 2: Possibilities Exist one of the many acronyms that Tom Murphy
23:45
Speaker 2: carries around. I'm surprised. I'm surprised, Kyle that he doesn't
23:51
Speaker 2: have some of these acronyms tattooed all over him.
23:53
Speaker 1: Maybe he does, Yeah, he probably does. Tom's a colorful guy.
23:57
Speaker 2: He is such such a inspiring guy. Have you had
24:03
Speaker 2: a chance to sit in circle with Tom?
24:08
Speaker 4: I have.
24:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the industry events I was at, I
24:12
Speaker 1: want to say it was late last year or early
24:14
Speaker 1: this year. Tom offered up to those who wanted to
24:17
Speaker 1: sit in a circle, and I did participate.
24:21
Speaker 2: Who else was there? How many did you did you
24:23
Speaker 2: get about?
24:25
Speaker 1: I want to say there's between fifteen and twenty, and
24:27
Speaker 1: it was it was major, It was a large industry conference.
24:31
Speaker 1: It was a lot of industry leaders, so it was
24:33
Speaker 1: less lineman, more safety managers, training managers that sort. So,
24:40
Speaker 1: but that's the kind of people that will approve programs
24:42
Speaker 1: like this or support programs like this. So that was
24:45
Speaker 1: fifteen opportunities for people to see the value Tom brings
24:48
Speaker 1: and see if they want to bring it back to
24:51
Speaker 1: their linemen, to their organizations.
24:53
Speaker 2: Do you remember what the question was that was going
24:56
Speaker 2: around the circle?
24:59
Speaker 1: Oh? There were several. Uh, you know. He started off
25:02
Speaker 1: in one of his common things is he asks who
25:04
Speaker 1: your favorite superhero is, and he's just trying to get
25:08
Speaker 1: to understand you a little better and then to ask
25:10
Speaker 1: you why. You know, people will pick TV characters and
25:13
Speaker 1: people will pick family members they looked up to, and
25:15
Speaker 1: then he'll ask you why, and it leads to kind
25:17
Speaker 1: of an opening up. And he also he has I
25:23
Speaker 1: don't want to make it sound corny, but he has
25:24
Speaker 1: props that he'll he'll pass around and they'll and he'll
25:27
Speaker 1: have exercises with the props, and it kind of inspires
25:32
Speaker 1: you to lower your barriers and start talking. And then
25:35
Speaker 1: when he gets that open, he'll, you know, some people
25:38
Speaker 1: will start to open up. Even the session I was in,
25:40
Speaker 1: which was more people participating to see if they wanted
25:42
Speaker 1: to bring it back for others, several people started opening
25:46
Speaker 1: up and they get a little you know, a little
25:47
Speaker 1: emotional heart, you know, hard people, executives, leaders in the industry.
25:52
Speaker 2: That's something. Have you have you had obviously without name
25:58
Speaker 2: and names, have you had any response from any anyone
26:05
Speaker 2: that came to you and said thanks?
26:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, we go to most of the
26:15
Speaker 1: industry events all over the country, and not just myself
26:19
Speaker 1: but our head of marketing. In fact, our head of
26:21
Speaker 1: marketing went to an event not long ago, and don't
26:23
Speaker 1: quisbee on which one it was, but he he came
26:25
Speaker 1: back and said, at least three or four people said,
26:26
Speaker 1: we really appreciate whatever contribution you're making to help this
26:30
Speaker 1: program get more legs to it. So he brought that
26:33
Speaker 1: back to us just you know, because you know, it's
26:36
Speaker 1: an investment of time, and money on our part, but
26:37
Speaker 1: we see that if it is bringing value and people
26:40
Speaker 1: say stuff like that, we're confident in the decision we
26:43
Speaker 1: made to support the program.
26:44
Speaker 2: Andy Patty, who you mentioned just a little while ago
26:47
Speaker 2: at the president of Buckingham Manufacturing president and owner amazing.
26:53
Speaker 2: Look look at this. What he says here, our partnership
26:57
Speaker 2: with Sweethearts and Heroes reflects that or understanding of what
27:01
Speaker 2: it truly means to protect people. Wow. Strong culture, strong
27:06
Speaker 2: leadership create safer cruise and better outcomes. When individuals feel
27:12
Speaker 2: supported and empowered, performance follows. That's huge.
27:20
Speaker 1: Andy's Andy's had the organization since he's owned the organization
27:26
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty four, and his philosophy is safety first,
27:30
Speaker 1: profit later. You know, when we hear of anything that
27:35
Speaker 1: threatens people in the industry, if it's within our power
27:39
Speaker 1: to react, we react, you know, before we look at
27:43
Speaker 1: whether there's any way to profit from it. So, you know,
27:46
Speaker 1: when Andy's part of this program, I was not surprised.
27:50
Speaker 1: You know, associations and events that we invest in and
27:55
Speaker 1: some of the products that we release are not we
27:58
Speaker 1: know they're not going to be probable. We know they
27:59
Speaker 1: are going to add benefit to somebody's safety. So when
28:02
Speaker 1: Tom came down here met with us personally, I was
28:04
Speaker 1: in the same meeting with Tom and Andy. I'm not
28:06
Speaker 1: surprised that Andy offered support for it, because, you know,
28:10
Speaker 1: when Tom pointed out the amount of people affected by
28:12
Speaker 1: this and the amount of people that are hurting due
28:15
Speaker 1: to mental health issues in our industry, I full well
28:19
Speaker 1: expected Andy to react to that because every time I've
28:21
Speaker 1: ever seen him hear about a threat to the safety
28:23
Speaker 1: of anybody the industry, he's responded.
28:25
Speaker 2: And it's it's not just the the electrical alignment industry.
28:30
Speaker 2: It's it's the construction industry, it's the trades man, it's
28:34
Speaker 2: it's everywhere there's huge demand.
28:38
Speaker 1: It is. And you know, there are all those cultures
28:41
Speaker 1: where it's traditionally not thought of. You know, sharing and
28:44
Speaker 1: mental health are traditionally thought of as a weakness, and
28:46
Speaker 1: I think that that's the reason a lot of that
28:49
Speaker 1: those industries suffer from that. And you know, the utility
28:53
Speaker 1: line industry a little bit more so because of the
28:55
Speaker 1: emergency response and the physicality and the threat a constant
29:00
Speaker 1: threat of death. Like I said, they go through significant training,
29:05
Speaker 1: learning all the hazards just to even be able to
29:07
Speaker 1: climb up a pole, and then, like I said, many
29:10
Speaker 1: of them know of friends or family who died going
29:13
Speaker 1: up a pole. And then tell them to do that
29:15
Speaker 1: in the rain and the wind, and tell them to
29:16
Speaker 1: do that with little sleep, and then tell them not
29:19
Speaker 1: to brush it off and take a nap on a
29:21
Speaker 1: cot and do it again tomorrow. It's a bit much
29:23
Speaker 1: to ask somebody to do.
29:25
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sitting here and I'm listening to you,
29:27
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about first responders as well. I mean,
29:30
Speaker 2: yesterday we put up a post asking folks to give
29:34
Speaker 2: love and props to our first responders. I think it's
29:38
Speaker 2: a National EMS week arocrastination, but man first responders right
29:47
Speaker 2: there as well. I mean what you're describing, get a
29:51
Speaker 2: couple of hours of rest if you can, when you can,
29:54
Speaker 2: and then get up in a couple of hours and
29:56
Speaker 2: do it all over again. Amazing.
30:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's very similar to many people think
30:02
Speaker 1: of the lineman in a in a storm environment as
30:05
Speaker 1: first responders, and but yes, same thing, first responders, the ambulance, cruise,
30:11
Speaker 1: fire crews, same deal.
30:14
Speaker 2: We've had some extraordinary natural disasters. I'm sure you remember
30:25
Speaker 2: the ice storm of ninety eight. Yep, what was one
30:32
Speaker 2: that sticks out in your mind recent or past where
30:39
Speaker 2: you were just tapped out saying, how in the hell
30:43
Speaker 2: are we going to get this done?
30:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Hurricane Sandy was was a horrible one.
30:52
Speaker 1: You know, our crew goes and supports. Our crew doesn't
30:56
Speaker 1: have to sit and suffer with the lineman suffer through.
30:59
Speaker 1: So it'd be un for me to sit and speak
31:01
Speaker 1: of a natural disaster like we felt anything that the
31:05
Speaker 1: lineman feel. So I don't really have a specific one
31:11
Speaker 1: that I can say, you know, made us feel worse,
31:14
Speaker 1: made us, you know, feel more stressful. And I think
31:18
Speaker 1: they're all equally bad because they all require the same
31:23
Speaker 1: response and create the same threat. And like I said,
31:27
Speaker 1: anything that we can do to help the linemen who
31:30
Speaker 1: are the boots on the ground who are experiencing the stress, No,
31:34
Speaker 1: we'll do.
31:36
Speaker 2: What's next for Buck? When is your your next event?
31:44
Speaker 2: Part of the nineteen part fifth Wire series What's Happening next?
31:53
Speaker 4: Uh?
31:54
Speaker 1: I don't know Tom's full schedule for his programs. I know, UH,
32:00
Speaker 1: a lot of our industry events with the larger gatherings
32:02
Speaker 1: where Tom's you know, large stage speaking trying to engage
32:05
Speaker 1: more people are in the winter, so a lot of
32:08
Speaker 1: those have ended for the year. But I know, and
32:11
Speaker 1: I don't want to name names. I don't know if
32:13
Speaker 1: they want public, but I know several contractors and unions
32:17
Speaker 1: that are meeting with Tom on a monthly basis, so
32:20
Speaker 1: you know, when's the next one? Every month? I know
32:23
Speaker 1: he's meeting every month with multiple organizations, with the smaller
32:27
Speaker 1: groups doing the circle settings. But when the next large
32:30
Speaker 1: industry introduction is that, I don't know.
32:33
Speaker 2: This all started with north Line's thirteenth Safety and Leadership Summit,
32:41
Speaker 2: what a couple of years ago now, and it's really
32:45
Speaker 2: starting to grow some legs in your industry, it really is.
32:49
Speaker 2: It's starting to take off, and man, I just hope
32:53
Speaker 2: that the impact continues, not just at Buck, but anywhere
33:00
Speaker 2: in the trades.
33:03
Speaker 1: We do as well. And you know, i'd like to
33:06
Speaker 1: say that Buck was involved at the origin, but we
33:08
Speaker 1: got involved a little under a year ago, probably closer
33:10
Speaker 1: to six months ago, so we've been following it more
33:14
Speaker 1: closely since then. But you know, we've already seen more
33:17
Speaker 1: adoption just that short time. And you know, Tom sends
33:21
Speaker 1: me some of his his collateral. His is he likes
33:25
Speaker 1: to call him sizzle reels. And I've sat through, as
33:28
Speaker 1: I said, several of Thom's presentations, even set through one
33:30
Speaker 1: of his circles not that long ago. So we're enthusiastic
33:33
Speaker 1: about the growth, and we can see the feedback we're
33:36
Speaker 1: getting increasing as the months go on. So we're pretty
33:39
Speaker 1: sure that it's gonna have continued growth throughout the industry,
33:42
Speaker 1: and Tom's gonna bring this matter to more associations, more regions,
33:46
Speaker 1: and more people over the coming year years to come.
33:49
Speaker 2: Tom said to me, you know, we could sit and
33:52
Speaker 2: say the words like industry and linemen and contractors in
33:58
Speaker 2: industrial contractors.
34:00
Speaker 1: In.
34:02
Speaker 2: Union officials. We can sit and say these words all
34:07
Speaker 2: the time, but the most important word is the word
34:14
Speaker 2: brotherhood in the International Brotherhood of Electrical workers looking out
34:24
Speaker 2: for one another. Tom is not going to be climbing
34:28
Speaker 2: a pole or a tree. And he is definitely you know.
34:32
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to see you guys get a
34:34
Speaker 2: harness on him and you pull him up there.
34:37
Speaker 1: I'd rather put him a set of spikes on and
34:39
Speaker 1: watch him climbing a pole by himself.
34:40
Speaker 2: I would love to. I'd pay big money to see that.
34:45
Speaker 2: But he's not going to be on the front line.
34:48
Speaker 2: He's going to be sitting in circle and he's going
34:50
Speaker 2: to be shouting out to your team and throwing out
34:56
Speaker 2: a whole heck of a lot of love, understanding connection.
35:01
Speaker 2: But man, in the end, it's the guy working next
35:07
Speaker 2: to you. It's the guy sitting next to you in
35:08
Speaker 2: the truck, or somebody that's that's sharing a bunk with here,
35:14
Speaker 2: or or a hotel room that is part of buck
35:19
Speaker 2: or anyone it is in the industry.
35:22
Speaker 1: The lineman industry is a fraternity. Uh yeah, you know,
35:26
Speaker 1: you'll if you spend enough time around, you'll realize that
35:29
Speaker 1: they they many of them eat, sleep, and breathe it.
35:32
Speaker 4: Uh.
35:32
Speaker 1: You go to the larger events and they will talk
35:35
Speaker 1: about their experiences, they'll talk you know it. Just at
35:38
Speaker 1: Buckingham Manufacturing, we speak with a lot of linemen and
35:41
Speaker 1: they're always thinking. They're always looking out for how to
35:45
Speaker 1: do this better, how to protect your your how to
35:48
Speaker 1: do this job more efficiently, how to protect your brother.
35:50
Speaker 1: And we constantly at these associations get comments about, you know,
35:56
Speaker 1: can you do this, I'd like to recommend this, I'd
35:58
Speaker 1: like to change this, And I guess the only point
36:01
Speaker 1: I'm making there is they're constantly on it's it's not
36:05
Speaker 1: just a job. They're enthused about it, they're enthused about
36:08
Speaker 1: each other. They use the term brotherhood frequently, and they're
36:14
Speaker 1: really interested in making the industry safer. And I think
36:16
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that is Tom gets you know,
36:19
Speaker 1: heard more and more and more people are going to
36:22
Speaker 1: grasp it increasingly more frequently.
36:27
Speaker 2: These guys that are making up sweethearts and heroes. And
36:34
Speaker 2: I know this is kind of a broad statement. I've
36:36
Speaker 2: said it before. They're they're literally changing the world.
36:40
Speaker 1: Man.
36:40
Speaker 2: They're going far beyond the elementary school classroom, far beyond yep.
36:47
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad.
36:49
Speaker 1: And I know Tom has experience. I know Tom talked
36:51
Speaker 1: about his origins and about you know, speaking at elementary
36:54
Speaker 1: school classrooms and whatnot. But yeah, he's gone past that
36:58
Speaker 1: now and he's focusing on industry. And I know you
37:01
Speaker 1: and I were talking about little bit of statistics, but
37:03
Speaker 1: it was thirty four point nine out of one hundred
37:06
Speaker 1: thousand marines are subject to mental health and suicide, and
37:12
Speaker 1: it's fifty two to sixty eight per one hundred thousand
37:15
Speaker 1: in the utility industry. So it's, uh, he's really times
37:19
Speaker 1: really moved from the frying pan into the fire and
37:22
Speaker 1: stepping into an industry to support an industry with a
37:25
Speaker 1: high focus, a high concentration of mental health threats and suicides.
37:32
Speaker 2: You can see in that guy's eyes when he's speaking
37:36
Speaker 2: to your team, to your family that he means business
37:42
Speaker 2: and that he's not afraid to say what's uncomfortable.
37:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's he's dedicated to the cause and he's
37:56
Speaker 1: like you said, he's willing to bring it out. That's
37:58
Speaker 1: his main focusing people to talk and he'll do whatever
38:03
Speaker 1: it takes to get him to talk and to bring
38:04
Speaker 1: the issue.
38:05
Speaker 2: Far has given you a free Hugs shirt yet he hasn't.
38:10
Speaker 1: I see you have one, but I don't.
38:12
Speaker 2: Wow. I'll make sure that happens, Kyle. All right, listen, man,
38:19
Speaker 2: I can't thank enough for for hopping on this morning. Uh,
38:23
Speaker 2: Tom and Rick and Leon and the rest of the team. Uh,
38:28
Speaker 2: they have an awful lot to say about you guys
38:31
Speaker 2: over at Buck and that you're you're leading the way
38:35
Speaker 2: you guys are. You're really you're really doing it man
38:40
Speaker 2: by by having sweethearts and heroes as part of your family. Uh,
38:46
Speaker 2: you're doing nothing but making things better.
38:49
Speaker 1: It's Tom who's doing it, not us, But we're thankful
38:52
Speaker 1: to be able to lend our name and some you know,
38:55
Speaker 1: some contribution towards the effort. Because if it saves Lineman
39:00
Speaker 1: or makes Lineman safer, that's what we're all about. So
39:03
Speaker 1: this is another way we can do it. And Tom
39:05
Speaker 1: brought us this opportunity and we're thankful for it.
39:07
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing, Thanks for so much for coming on, Kyle.
39:11
Speaker 2: I hope to meet you someday.
39:14
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
39:15
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. Wow. I just I love stuff
39:17
Speaker 2: like this, man. I just and and you know, it's
39:21
Speaker 2: been a long and I've had a couple of people
39:23
Speaker 2: reach out to me and say, when are you gonna
39:25
Speaker 2: have Tom back? It's it's tough to get Tom. It's tough.
39:30
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a busy dude. He's out there changing
39:33
Speaker 2: the world right now and I'm hoping that I can
39:37
Speaker 2: get him back on real soon. Uh, there's a lot
39:40
Speaker 2: of stuff that I have to get caught up on
39:43
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39:48
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42:20
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42:28
Speaker 2: across the street. Everybody's okay, everything is fine. An investigation
42:34
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42:39
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42:41
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42:46
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna wait, respectfully until I've got some properly
42:53
Speaker 2: vetted information. But apparently a couple of a couple of
42:57
Speaker 2: young thugs broke into Nelson's last night. I don't think
43:06
Speaker 2: much if anything was stolen, uh, I'm not sure if
43:14
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it was something small, don't know. Hopefully, if
43:19
Speaker 2: anything was stolen, it's it's been recovered. I mean, we're
43:23
Speaker 2: talking about a business, a family business here on North
43:29
Speaker 2: Main Street that genuinely loves its community. And I get
43:41
Speaker 2: to look across the street and see nelson A's hardware
43:44
Speaker 2: every single day, and I know this is a this
43:50
Speaker 2: is a business. When the ship has hit the fan
43:56
Speaker 2: and everybody's been closed, whether it's a natural disaster or
44:02
Speaker 2: a flood, whatever it may be, that Nelson's is often
44:08
Speaker 2: the last to close in the first to open. And
44:13
Speaker 2: I've seen them operate with so much heart and so
44:20
Speaker 2: much love for our residence, not just here in Berry City,
44:25
Speaker 2: but everywhere. I've been over there when there's been mud
44:30
Speaker 2: on the floor after a flood, when their registers are down,
44:39
Speaker 2: and it makes me think of Jimmy Stewart and it's
44:46
Speaker 2: a wonderful life. But I've seen them say we know
44:51
Speaker 2: that you desperately need this pass. When you can get
44:58
Speaker 2: home and deal with your problem, we'll settle up later.
45:10
Speaker 2: Who the hell does that anymore? You think you're going
45:18
Speaker 2: to get that?
45:22
Speaker 1: I don't know.
45:23
Speaker 2: I don't want to single out any other states, but
45:26
Speaker 2: that just doesn't really happen much, if at all, anymore
45:35
Speaker 2: in our country. Nelson Ay's hardware has been and will
45:46
Speaker 2: continue to be forever, part of the lifeblood of our community.
45:54
Speaker 2: I can't think of a worse choice for someone to
46:07
Speaker 2: break into. I hope that we're able to find out more,
46:19
Speaker 2: and I know that I know that we we love
46:25
Speaker 2: the drama behind stuff like this. Who is it? Where
46:29
Speaker 2: are they from? What did they steal? Are they on drugs?
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Speaker 2: Who are these punk ass kids? Juveniles? Will probably we
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Speaker 2: probably won't find out their names. At least it won't
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Speaker 2: be printed anywhere in the paper. They'll be protected, I
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Speaker 2: guess because they're juveniles. We want to know all that stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of instinctual for us to want to know
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Speaker 2: the gory, grimy details. But does it matter. The fact
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Speaker 2: is what happened happened. And we've got a text from
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Speaker 2: Bob Nelson this morning. I'm going to read it to you.
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Speaker 2: Let me just pull it up here, bear with me,
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Speaker 2: I'll find it. Sent me a text early this morning
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Speaker 2: Bob Nelson himself, and yeah, okay, he says, thanks Jad.
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Speaker 2: Barry City Police.
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Speaker 1: Is light.
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Speaker 2: On details due to their age, but yes, it was juveniles.
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Speaker 2: We lost one item out of the window. You can
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Speaker 2: I'm still quoting here from Bob Nelson directly, you can
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Speaker 2: share that brave, amazing passerbys saved us from losing more.
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Speaker 2: That's it. What else do we need to know? Really?
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Speaker 2: The bottom line is we had an amazing business that
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Speaker 2: is so much more than a business. It's a family
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Speaker 2: right here on North Main Street that was broken into.
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Speaker 2: And thanks to some citizens who saw witnessed this going
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Speaker 2: down and got involved, nobody got hurt. Everybody's okay. Nelson's
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Speaker 2: was wide open for business this morning. Support them. Go there,
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Speaker 2: buy your stuff. You know you need it anyways, and
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Speaker 2: you should know that whatever it is that you need,
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Speaker 2: they've probably got it. My God had everything there. And
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Speaker 2: just give some love to Kelly and Annette and Bob
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Speaker 2: and anyone else who works there. That's it. If we
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Speaker 2: get any more info that's really worth sharing and worth
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Speaker 2: talking about, do it right here on aired out. And
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Speaker 2: if it's anything that really doesn't have a whole hell
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Speaker 2: of a lot of substance.
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Speaker 1: We won't.
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Speaker 2: Is that simple? Really? No drama here, get that somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in, Thanks for supporting the podcast. Thanks
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Speaker 2: Central Vermont's podcast Right Here on North Main Street aired out.
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