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Badges, Balance and Breaking Barriers with Kristin Rhine · Laugh Love Law

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to Laugh Love Law.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Heather Kaplin, and today I am lucky enough to have one of my oldest and dearest friends with me.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: Please welcome Kristen Ryan.
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  unknown: Hey.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: Kristen and I both started our legal careers around the same time.
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  SPEAKER_03: She graduated, I think, a year before I did.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: And from the very beginning, I was struck by her ability to juggle what seemed like a million things at once.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: While practicing law, Kristen was also very much involved in the fire department and her community.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Her family was also historically involved in the fire department.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so service was never something that she wasn't a part of.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: Is that right?
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then eventually Kristen transitioned into law enforcement.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Something a little different.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's still the same.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the same genre.
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  SPEAKER_03: It didn't surprise me at all.
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  SPEAKER_03: And today she serves as the inspector and commanding officer of Nassau County's sixth precinct.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's an attorney, a firefighter, an instructor, mentor, mother, and somehow one of the most funny and genuine people I know.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_03: Kristen Ryan, welcome to Laugh Love.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me today.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: What is something about yourself that never makes it into your professional bio?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Probably just the like you talked about juggling, right?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: That is like one of the biggest things that is the most difficult thing to do as a mom, as a professional, as a woman, as everything.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's just being able to juggle, I think, can can make things just so different for you and make you the best person that you can be.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can't juggle, none of nothing is going to be success for you.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be successful.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's not really an option.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can't drop any of the bulls.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's the problem.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: With me, with so many different things like the fire department, the police, I became the first female instructor ever in Nassau County for the fire department.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: It was just something I, you know, it's always drawn.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: I always want to do more.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always want to get my feet wet, but unfortunately, sometimes I overextend.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that I think everyone does though.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's something that, you know, to be good at something, you're gonna overextend yourself.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: Now you've had some very serious jobs, but you also have a pretty witty, sarcastic sense of humor.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, definitely.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: How has that played into your roles as a lawyer and in law enforcement?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I have to say that sometimes being brutally honest is the best way to be.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was just telling uh telling your husband outside I had a story, which I really can't go into too much detail on it, but sometimes you have to be told the truth, and that's what's gonna make you better.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll we'll laugh about it after.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: If if you're generally a good person, you know, there's like they talk about in law enforcement too with mistakes of the heart versus mistakes of the head.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: And explain.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: So there's different things like if you make a mistake purposefully and you're trying to, you know, purposely trying to get around doing something like that, something like a mistake like that, that's really not a mistake.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you make a mistake of the heart, you really think you're doing the right thing, you can learn and we could teach you, we we can make you better.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like different different things like that.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: You kind of have to see where someone's coming from.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Are they purposely doing something or they truly just made a mistake and you want to teach them and learn?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Do you find that your original career as an attorney helps or hinders what you do now?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: I would say it it definitely helps.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's always law with everything, and it's I gotta say, it's always been fun to pull over lawyers too who try and flash their ID card.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hey, I'm a lawyer.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, great, I got one too.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what does that make it?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to court.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the one thing that's awesome too.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love going to court.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, sit, put me on the stand.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't know I'm a lawyer, so it's kind of like that little insight that uh they're like, uh-oh, this is not gonna go well, you know.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it's definitely helped, and there's so much law, obviously, in law enforcement, and just to get the right charges and to help the people that need help, especially domestic situations, things like that.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, my position now, it's just overseeing everything and just making sure that the community runs smoothly, whether it be, you know, the temples, the schools, you know, religious institutions, it's just a lot to manage.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I love doing it, it's fun.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: I remember when we practiced together at a defense firm, you and I both had that same compassionate way of handling a case, even on the defense side.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: Because even though we had a job to do and a client to defend, there was still compassion and empathy for the family of someone that was injured.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, that journey led me to ultimately end up representing injured individuals.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: And for you, in law enforcement, it seems like you still get to extend the empathy and the compassion.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, over time, you know, whether it's giving a death notification or you know, going on a scene of a fatal accident or a shooting or a suicide, you know, there's so many different things that come into play.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, you know, what I've learned, and you know, in law enforcement especially, things aren't always what they seem.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: And what you may think is the person that's genuinely trying to be, you know, sad or this is you know my mother may end up being someone that may have killed them, or there may be more to it.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's also being able to read people.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's one thing about you that you've always had the gift of reading people and basically telling people, you know, even even colleagues, you know, you always had a good handle on, you know, who we thought, we always had the office interactions, like who what's this guy up to, what's this one up to, and you know, whether they're genuine or not.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really the biggest thing is just being a genuine person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's great.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think that lawyers, well, you've got a double one of me.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like lawyers get a bad rap.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: Completely and and some lawyers, I'm just gonna say it.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_03: Some lawyers are absolute they just are.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: They are uh um, I'm not, you're not.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny, but that you say that because I always it it's sad that we have to say this, yeah, but I almost take it as a compliment sometimes when someone doesn't know that I'm a lawyer because it's it's that pretentiousness that a lot of people give off.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't need to be pretentious uh to be a lawyer or to be good at your job.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, and then the double whammy for you, you're in law enforcement.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: And even though there are wonderful, wonderful police officers, there are some that aren't so wonderful.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: And you can't let a bad seed spoil it for everybody.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think I admire so much what you do.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I mean, you're you're in the front line, you're putting yourself in a situation on the daily basis, you know, where you're entering into danger and you have a family, and you're watching out for somebody else's family, almost putting them ahead of your own.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: And that is a that's a huge thing to give of yourself.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_03: And again, comes right back to the genuine, the empathetic nature.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: And absolutely.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, I continue to admire you, my friend.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: So our careers eventually took different paths.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: Things never changed uh in terms of who we are as people.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: We could pick up the phone after not speaking for six months, a year, and it's it's like everything changed is exactly the same.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: Very important, and I should have probably started the interview with this, but Kristen introduced me to Benny Hanna.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: Benny Hanna, chicken, double salad, double salad.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: No top.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: So we were supposed to take like 45-minute lunches.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, that never happened.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was it was definitely problematic back in the day.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: It was Benny Hana and then a little detour to the mall.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: To the mall.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: As I was gonna say, shopping and then the outlets too, when we were court in Suffolk, you know, sometimes we've got to detour a little bit.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, but but the Benihana experience that that that came from you.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: See, and and we're just talking about just hibachi and stuff.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_03: Hibachi's so good, but what I do with hibachi, and I I willfully, I'm willfully ignorant over how much butter uh goes into the dish.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll have chicken and vegetables.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's great.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not having the rice, but I'm eating a pound of butter.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and a pound of the garlic butter.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Garlic butter.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was lucky enough, uh, I had won a uh blackstone at a at a golf outing last year.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: So now my husband makes the best of the uh makes it at home.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: He gets the hibachi going, it's great.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: So you know, in the first episode, I talked a little bit about you know, going on a health journey and figuring out what I needed to do to get healthy.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I actually remember something really funny about you when we were again on our lunch excursions and we would drive through like a Wendy's or a McDonald's.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: You once said to me, because I was a chubster, I would not go that back.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was, I was, but it's okay.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't eat healthy and I didn't I didn't even value I didn't value nutrition, let's put it that way.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: But we would drive through, let's say, Wendy's, and instead of getting like a meal, like a a sandwich or hamburger and french fries, you would say, Oh, I'm just gonna have a sandwich, or I'm gonna have the chicken without the bun.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: Or there was always a way for you to like make an unhealthy meal healthy, and you were physically fit and you were active, and clearly you still do those things.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're still very much into balance.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's all about balancing health.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: And listen, right now with my new job, unfortunately, I don't go to the gym as much, but that is something I need to get more.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: And when I say not as much, it's you know, I used to go five times a week, you know what I'm saying?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you're still going, but it's good for your health, it's good for your mind just to like clear your head and be able to just hit the elliptical or go for a run or something like that.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so you've had a career path that most people can't relate to.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: Attorney, firefighter, law enforcement, leader.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us a little bit about the journey.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the journey has always been something that I've always been good at school.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that's probably where everything kind of took off in terms of, you know, I always like getting my hands dirty and things like that.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: But with school, I've always been good.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I've I I always did well in college and law school and things like that.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone's like, oh, go the academic route, be the lawyer, be this.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I found out, you know, when we're sitting in the office in our in their job, we'll talk that defense firm.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: It got boring.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're sitting there just looking at documents all day.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was I was under the impression that I was gonna go out and do these big trials and and be in front of the judge, and this is awesome, and I get to talk to the jury, and like, you know, we did a couple trials maybe, but nothing much.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: And then paper pushing, paper pushing.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then a case settles, and you're like, wait, that's it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is what I did all this for for that.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so you know, that was the frustrating thing.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I want to do more.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, I wanted to get out there and lead more, and that's kind of why I chose that path.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, believe me, my parents are like, you know, you just you're a lawyer, what are you doing?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why are you why are you going to become a police officer?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I saw what else I can get.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: And and in the department, there's so many avenues, and I've kind of had to push my way around them because you know, they wanted me to go to be a legal bureau at some point or be chief counsel or you know, work in different things.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I always wanted to get my hands on and just continue just dealing with the force or big scenes and managing scenes because I love it.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us a little bit about the leadership roles that you currently have and and what you've handled in the past.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, leadership-wise, right now, um, my precinct, I have about 160 uh sworn members that I'm in charge of, plus about 20 superior officers, and it's just you know managing the day-to-day operations of the department, but it's also just what's kind of cool now is intelligent-led policing, and basically you base upon base things upon patterns and things that are going on, and you know, base your patrol on different things, and it's very community-oriented policing, which I love because everything is based on the needs of the community, what they perceive or what they don't perceive.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm in the villages, I'm at community meetings, and I drive things with facts, and I think that gets back to what we do as a lawyer.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you could tell me that you know, people are breaking into cars or things, or these mom and dad face group groups sometimes drive me nuts.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, there was a there was a robbery.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: First, they never get the terms right, which I understand it's okay.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: They robbed my house.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: It kills me when every time I hear that.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, they burglarized your house, but that's okay.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: You understand, right?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: And words matter, though.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is this is what they're saying happened.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: But then I go back to the statistics and I go to one of these community meetings, and I'm like, your village had zero burglaries last year.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Zero.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, maybe at some other stuff.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about it.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about how we can be better, how we can protect ourselves, you know, like that what's going on with the elderly, with like the scams and things like that, that they still go on drives me insane.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: And once again, like you said, it's so that I'm getting off topic, but leadership-wise, yeah, that's the leadership for that.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: For the fire department, right now I'm involved, like I said, with the fire academy.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the only female instructor.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't expect anything special, any type of just give me a little locker room and a shower, I'm good.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I just recently did something for I think it was over a hundred girls just to just show them uh they had this just brought in different speakers and how do you make it.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I explained to them, and I think this is kind of cool, even just with women in roles.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we all take roles that are generally male-dominated professions, right?
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: And this someone talked about it that the men or the boys, and when you go into a male-dominated field, start with a jar of marbles, right?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's completely full.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And when they mess up, they take a marble out, but they still have marbles in there and they're still looked upon a certain way.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Girls, on the other hand, have an empty jar and they have to interest in every single marble that they put in.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I tell the girls, is it better to be one way or the other?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, Well, it'd be nice to have no, you have to earn no matter what.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's to me, it's better to not have anything in my jar and earn everything I get rather than make mistakes and you pull one out, and you know, you're looked upon differently.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's such an interesting metaphor, but it's true.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's true, it's true.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you've definitely broken some barriers down for women, but you've always been this way, you've always taken the non-traditional root roles and you've you've excelled.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um what do you see for yourself in the future?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully, you know, I continue moving up, possibly in the police department, but I'm I'm happy where I am right now as the commanding officer.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, I enjoy day-to-day interactions in the precinct, you know, just seeing the over, you know, different things that go on in terms of events, uh, different people that come in, you know, how to handle different things, and just dealing with what's going on in society in the community.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: Here's an interesting one for you.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: How do you think AI will affect your field?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or has it already?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it definitely has.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what swatting is?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you explain?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: So swatting is basically when someone makes a false call and says something's going on that's really not, but you have to treat it like it really is going on.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we've had instances with 911 through for the deaf where it's like typed, or different things where people call in these fake calls and through AI and through different phone numbers, and you know, it comes over as your phone number, but it's not you calling, and you're calling in a bomb threat, or you're calling in a serious shooting, or something at the mall, or things like that, and it's very difficult to confirm without sending everybody there as if it's not real.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: So you're you're uh utilizing resources that could be best used somewhere else.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's scaring people because you're showing up in full force if there's they're saying something's going on or there's a a device at the mall and there's not, but you're acting like there is, because we have to make sure, you know, you don't know.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So with AI, even uh they're able to generate different calls and fake calls.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So that's one place that AI has definitely gone to play.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: And and others is at generating recordings.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So think about like on domestics and things where you're able to generate a recording for like if there's an order protection, let's say, and I can't contact you.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what is to say is I can create phone fake phone messages or numbers and potentially get you arrested, but you're telling the other person saying, I didn't do that.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it may be true because now there's such technology that you can falsify things a lot easier than back in the day.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think AI is amazing in so many ways, but hearing from you, just in in your profession alone, how many downfalls it it it may bring us, that's it's that's really interesting.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even think about that.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: Has it made your job easier?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, in terms of do you see yourself it creates your work for you or no, no?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm a lawyer, I went to law school, same for you.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: I I do my work.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: What I like it for is almost like a spell and grammar check.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like, hey, I wrote this and instead of going through word for my grammar or my spell check, I'll throw it through a program and say, Is this accurate?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: Am I missing oh, and you know, it looks like you're missing some spacing here, you're missing some commas here.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it uh in no way should it be used as a replacement for uh the other thing is that it's not always accurate.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're asking AI, you know, hey, give me the name of a great burger joint in in this town, sure, absolutely.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: But if you're asking it for the case law on point for a specific issue, number one, it's not a a legal research program.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: And number two, how do you know that the information they're pulling is from an authorized or reliable source?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: So no, I don't think it's in any way a replacement for I think it's a tool.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this though.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: So do you think though, and I think this is the way it is, but if you went to law school today, do you think it'd be so much easier if you had some of these like chat GBT or AI or you know, just the way you could have things do your homework for you, or just basic, you know, look at your briefs or do things like that.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think it would be so much easier going to law school now than when we had it with the books.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: Can I answer you like a politician?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: But I think that it would make things harder.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: But because I don't think I would have learned how to write and how to research and how to represent my clients with genuine knowledge of the law.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think it would be like giving somebody a fish rather than teaching them how to fish.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that's I think the problem though, if you think about for the lawyers that are coming out, I think a lot of them are gonna re have relied on you.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And they're not gonna have that people or the ability to actually, you know, look on the spot and see something and be able to analyze it correctly.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: I agree, but I also think you have to be aware of the fact that no matter what we say, it's a reality.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: True.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's going to be used, and I think it's our responsibility to figure out the best way to incorporate it into how we learn, what we learn, what we teach others.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think you hit the nail on the head.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Responsible.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's all about responsibility.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Kristen, I know one of the hardest experiences that you ever faced was losing your dad to a 9-11 related cancer.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Not easy to talk about.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: Are you comfortable sharing?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am, definitely.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, how has that law shaped who you are?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think it's also just made me see that life is short and you know, try to get the most out of it and do the most you can, you know, hug your kids a little bit more.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's also, I think, shaped my children in terms of them being able to see how an event could affect things.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my daughter recently uh became an ambassador for the uh Tunnels to Tower Foundation.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she's an athlete and she's now doing that.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: They just did a whole little thing on her and she loves it.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that you know, giving back once again, taking a tragedy and making something out of it and making it better and talking about it.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, I know it's it's hard to talk about, yeah, but the same thing too is that you want to take the loss and show how we can be better or do something good with it.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: He would be so proud.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, thanks.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: And he would be proud that you passed on that spirit to your daughters.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: No, I agree.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: You've always been one to give back.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: But who is your biggest inspiration?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: I would have to say my dad, you know, like just seeing everything that you know he accomplished, you know, he was a teacher and he volunteered on the side, but he gave a hundred percent you know as a volunteer and just you know, always striving to do better.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: And someone recently said the best thing that you know about yourself is if you're comfortable, it's time to move on and maybe look for something else.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: So the best thing that you could be in life is uncomfortable, and that that means you're growing and getting better and you know, just moving on to the next thing.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's something to be said for comfort, and then there's something to be said for being too comfortable.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: I I agree, but I think now we've got to change the mood in here.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: I need you to grab I need you to grab those paddles and we're gonna play a little laugh love law.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: Laugh love law.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Let me remind you.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna give you a a term, term I'm gonna say it out loud, and you're Hold up a paddle.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna hold up a laugh if it brings you joy, makes you smile.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Love if it has a place in your heart.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: And law if it's just like a big fat no.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: You can elaborate, you can say nothing, or you can just look at me, you know, in that face you have.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: And you can go from there.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: All right, you ready?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: Customer service.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oof.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, me too.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: And it's funny because when my husband speaks to certain people, we'll we'll mock him and say, You're using your customer service voice.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's that it's so phony that you just Yeah.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think I don't think it's funny too, you know, when you get all these like cold calls and things like that on the phone.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think my husband's the only one that actually likes speaking to these people.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: He can like go on for like 20 minutes with them.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I'm like, I just click, you know.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Him he brought that to my daughters, too.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, please stop.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, fandoms.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, that's a tough one.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh all right.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, wedding speeches.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know what?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: At that point in the wedding, I'm ready to, you know, yeah, maybe get an appetizer, have a little cocktail, relax a little bit.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they're just a little too long.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: I like short and to the point.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I like weddings where I'm just a guest.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: Weddings where I have responsibility, it's a little much.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little much, like I said.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: And and at that point, like I said, it seems that too when you bring in, I've noticed the last few weddings I've been to, it seems like the person that's giving the speech, it it's more about them than the bride or the groom.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Remember when we did those?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's about them.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's about them.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: And and like I said, short and sweet and to the point.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And funny.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be, it's gotta be this.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: It does it does.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's always about that.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um being spontaneous.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 23:46
  unknown: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely love it.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: All right, here's one.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna give you the slang for it.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you're that cool.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: My kids were impressed that I knew what it was already.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, here we go.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: Jomo.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: All right, don't know that one.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: Not FOMO, right?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: FOMO is fear of missing out.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know what Jomo is?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: Joy of missing out.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: Canceling plans, sitting your butt on the couch, and doing Jack.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, me too.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get that enough.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be honest with you.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: We just got a brand new puppy, too.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh so I have a six-year-old golden retriever, and now we have a baby golden retriever, and I forgot how hard it is to have a puppy and everything else, but it's great for the six-year-old.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, they have a friend.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't get a lot of that just sitting down and relaxing.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Jomo's a good thing, though.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good thing.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna use that.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a good one.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_03: Comfort foods.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: And what is your comfort food?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have one in particular, believe it or not.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't have a sweet tooth.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: You were more of a few.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, like I'm the savory or like I'm an appetizer person.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, but like a pure comfort food, I don't, I have to say, like, my little vice is like unsweet iced tea or sweet iced tea.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Any type of, you know, drink in the morning, that gets a good one.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's my thing.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: But comfort food in of itself, not so much.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right, and how about taking selfies?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: No, not your thing.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sweet, where is this?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Not your thing.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: I got it.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely not.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: All right, and um let's ask, let me ask you this question.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: I know that mentoring young women entering the fire service and law enforcement is something you're passionate about.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: What do you hope they learn from your example?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: I just hope that they learn to be themselves.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: And also I want them to learn that I think, you know, we're at a point in society and in life, you know, listen, obviously, I don't think it matters if you're a male or woman, you know, what your ethnicity or race is.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be yourself and you have to just own who you are and do the best you can.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna get obstacles along the way.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Could it be based on the fact that you're a woman?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: But it could be a face on the fact, maybe you're a certain ethnicity or race.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, nothing is is free, unfortunately, of of bias nowadays and things like that.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: I see it all the time at work and it sucks.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you don't want to see that, but I think that we can get beyond that and don't rely on a crutch and just be who you are, be willing to learn, you know, keep that open mind and ask questions.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like asking questions is who you're gonna is gonna make you better.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know enough.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm on a big scene and I'm handling it, it's a really tough case or call, yeah, and people around me can die if I make the wrong decision.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I want people to come up and feel comfortable enough to come up to me and say, hey, by the way, did you see this?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want you to fear that because I'm gonna yell at you or something like that.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it's and it's like, yeah, you know what?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna remember that for next time.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, being able to take advice, give advice, and just be open-minded and uh, you know, go out there and do it and try.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't try, like Michael Jordan, I always love that phrase, you're gonna miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I also think it's important where you get your information from.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: Sources matter.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Ask questions of the right people, not necessarily just anybody who happens to be there.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, which is gonna go back to the AI thing.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: You can ask a computer a million questions, you're not gonna get the same answer as you would get, you know, as if you would ask the person who has the experience, the person who's done the done the deal, done the duty.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's scary, I don't mean to interrupt you, but one of the biggest things with that right now in policing and these scams and these elderly people, and every every single day, people are giving thousands and thousands of dollars to these fake AI or these people that don't exist or their grandsons in jail.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's like take the time to hang up the phone and call your grandkid before you give away twenty thousand dollars.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and the scam the scams are getting harder to detect.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: They are.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: I remember when it used to just be, remember it was the uh it was the IRS or or the uh it was the IRS and we're gonna come to your door to arrest you.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: And when you don't actually break down that sentence, you know, that sounds scary.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: The IRS doesn't come to arrest you.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: And they're not coming to your door and they're not calling you on a restricted number.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, but not things like that.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna we're gonna move to our last game.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I love it.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: You ready?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: Let's do it.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so what we're gonna do here is remember those like candy machines in the supermarket?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: I used to always get my mom to give me like a quarter to put in there.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a quarter, right?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: So you're gonna put a couple quarters in there, right?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna spin three times, you're gonna get three balls, right?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: Now, you can either answer the question, you can say, mm-mm, Heather, you answer the question, or you can leave the question for our next guest.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the little ones, the big ones are just for show.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know what?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: You're making this difficult.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, always.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Always.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Look at that.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: No trouble at all.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: See, it's a miracle.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why don't you do that one first?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Crack it open and let's see what we got.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's do it.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Jeez, what do we have here?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: If we can crack it up, there you go.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: We got it.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's purple.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: All right, it's purple.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Favorite childhood toy.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a good one.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that is a good one.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna pass that to you.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: What do you got?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Since you like it, so you said it was a good one.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So since you were so emphatic about it, let's do it.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm from like the Cabbage Patch Kid, Mr.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Potato Head, kind of generation.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, I'll stick with one of those.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Cabbage Patch Kids.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: But I do wish I saved that Teddy Ruxpin.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: They're worth like three thousand dollars now.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think I might have one of my mom's admin.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Break it out, my friend.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, legit, exactly.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all right, go ahead.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: On to the next one.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm expecting an answer from you this time.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Another one.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I like it.
• 29:35
  unknown: All right.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Favorite dessert.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and you just said you're not a dessert person.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a dessert person, but I'd never say no to a good hot fudge sundae.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I have to be in the mood for ice cream, but I absolutely love it.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm in the mood for or gelato even, like a good gelato place by us.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the question, though.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: Chocolate or vanilla ice cream.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely chocolate, without a doubt.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Not even a question.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: I questioned our friendship for just a moment.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: I thought maybe you were gonna say vanilla with fudge, not the same.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: Good job.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: All right, last one, absolutely.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: One more here.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta get the quarters out.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love your coins, Bob.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: I tried.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Look how cute these are.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: And here I am trying to stick it in a thing.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you look, it looks like it's a good one.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: I ordered these, they're so cute, but you're just gonna sign one of these later for our special commemorative box.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Kids aren't gonna know what coins are now.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: They're not, they just know what Venmo is.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is interesting in there.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Pink.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you made these very difficult to open, but it's okay.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: I like the challenge.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: You've always been challenging.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: You're not supposed to have easy things, right?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, absolutely.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: If your pet could talk, what he what would he complain about?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a couple things.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: First thing, 100%, my husband would say, is where's my water?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: But my dogs drink water all the time.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: The bowl is always empty.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think they do it on purpose so they show that the bowl is empty, like when he gets home.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's that.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: But complain about not getting enough walks.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: They love walks and not going in the pool.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: They love swimming.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: So they have a lot of complaints.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: They there's so many complaints.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: So many things.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: What about you?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you always have to do that.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: What would my dog Yeah we have three now?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: What well it's funny, when when the dogs are not getting enough attention, I always tell the girls uh they're gonna call PPS on us, puppy protective service.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um for them, um, if it's 5 03 and dinner was supposed to be at 5, there is no excuse for that delay.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, alright.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and like there is no such thing as like the Saturday morning sleep till like 8 a.m.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: They want breakfast at 6 30.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: So you get out of bed and yeah, there's no yeah, we have uh two wine mariners and we always had wimeraners.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: And and gaucho, he's he's the fat one.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Gaucho.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: He can't go, yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: It means uh it's a cowboy, an Argentinian cowboy.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: But uh he can't he can't go, you know, an hour without some some snacks.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're the best.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: Those are fun.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, those are really cool.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: Really cool.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: Now, you know, the fake token.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you sign one of these for us?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, give it give it a little signature, take this sharpie, all right, and then you'll throw it in our jar.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then I have a little present for you.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we we gotta rock the merch right away.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: We love the merch.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: We got a laugh love law sweatshirt for you.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: So cool.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's for you.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to thank you for taking the time to come hang out with your old friend and talk about all the awesome things that you do.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: So proud of you always.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: And thank you for tuning in to Laugh Love Law.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: We'll be back with another episode soon.