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Judge Napolitano - A Nation of Suspects · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Talking about the shoe kid, not the change your mind kid.
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  Speaker 2: So go ahead, slip into.
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  Speaker 1: Your flip flops, grab a cup of coffee, and get
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  Speaker 1: set for our next guest. Now, who never flip Flops's right,
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  Speaker 1: it's the judge Chuck Ingram on fifty five KRS the
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  Speaker 1: talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thirty fifty five KRCD talk station. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like the judge has a tie on in
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  Speaker 2: a crisp white shirt. I don't think he's in flip
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  Speaker 2: flop wearing garb today. Welcome back, Judge. I can't see
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  Speaker 2: underneath your desk, Judge, but maybe you have flip flops on.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Chuck Ingram making some fun as he always
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  Speaker 2: likes to do. As we intro you each week here
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  Speaker 2: on the fifty five KRC Morning Show, Judge Anapolton, it's
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  Speaker 2: always a distinct pleasure to have you on the program.
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  Speaker 3: It is a pleasure, you know. For many years it
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  Speaker 3: was a custom in the television industry for female employees
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  Speaker 3: of all types to wear flip flops from oriel day
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  Speaker 3: to labor day to work. And then a couple of
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  Speaker 3: the guys started and then management said, freg at it
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  Speaker 3: no flipflops.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to see guys Harry big feet. I guess
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  Speaker 2: that's how that boils down. Judge Joseph Lord.
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  Speaker 3: I have a friend who has an IT company and
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  Speaker 3: he's got about twenty five guys that he employs, and
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  Speaker 3: their feet were so bad he ordered in a pedicurist
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  Speaker 3: for anybody that wanted to wear flipflops to work. You
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  Speaker 3: had to spend two hours with these, with these pedicurists.
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  Speaker 1: This is all.
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  Speaker 3: This is all beyond me. I know you usually ask
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  Speaker 3: me questions, but I have to ask you one. Is
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  Speaker 3: Thomas Massey seeking his seat as an independent? Is he
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  Speaker 3: seeking the presidency? What do I keep reading? Massy is running.
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  Speaker 2: Ring for what? That's the question. No one seems to know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he had to announce that he is running
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  Speaker 2: for something, but so far no one seems to know
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  Speaker 2: what he's running for. Some people even think he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: run for president. I think maybe he'd have the endorsement
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  Speaker 2: of Judge Ennen of Politano if he did so.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who believe we need a
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  Speaker 3: third party, and Thomas Massey would be the appropriate person
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  Speaker 3: to lead that movement. And if the third party's going
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  Speaker 3: to be viable by twenty twenty eight, they'd need to
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  Speaker 3: start now. But it was just unclear to me. Now
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  Speaker 3: it's unclear to you as well, and the two of
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  Speaker 3: us are his friend what he is running for. If
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  Speaker 3: he runs for his old seat, the Democrat will win.
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  Speaker 3: That will really explode in Trump's face. But maybe he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to do that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know the other thing that may implode in
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  Speaker 2: Trump's face is I don't know ed Golryan, right, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what he stands for other than he had
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  Speaker 2: Trump's endorsement and he has a firm handshake. Now I'm nobody.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody does Brian Well, nobody knows what cal Ryan stands
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  Speaker 3: for us, just that he's not Thomas Massey.
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  Speaker 2: So my question is, now, I know there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of very big Massy supporters like you and I
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. If I was in it could vote
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  Speaker 2: in the Commonwealth, what I would do. I probably would
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  Speaker 2: end up having to hold my nose and vote for
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  Speaker 2: Goalran because I know what you're gonna get when you
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  Speaker 2: get a Democrat. But Kentucky's got a Democrat governor. So
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  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking is if there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: really irked, angry Massy supporters, they may not go to
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  Speaker 2: the polls and vote for Golerian. They may just not
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  Speaker 2: punch the ticket or fill in the box and maybe
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  Speaker 2: vote for other ones, or otherwise just not show up,
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  Speaker 2: which means it's possible theoretically that the Democrat could end
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  Speaker 2: up winning.
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  Speaker 3: Yes without Thomas on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right right. You and I both have our popcorn
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  Speaker 2: out of that, and you and I both share the disappointment.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is, I'm little miffed by the criticism
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  Speaker 2: everybody coming out saying Thomas Massey is somehow anti Semitic,
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  Speaker 2: merely because he pointed out that a lot of money
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  Speaker 2: flowed into the gall Ryan campaign from, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Jewish lobby. They're entitled to spend what they want, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Thomas Massey expressing some dismay over that
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  Speaker 2: happening the most expensive congressional primary in the history of America.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that makes a manti Semitic. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: heard an anti Semitic word out of Thomas Massey's mouth. Ever.
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  Speaker 2: He is against funding foreign governments period fill in the blank,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's Israel or France for that matter.
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  Speaker 3: There's not an anti Semitic bone in Thomas Massey's body.
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  Speaker 3: I've known him for twenty years. This is the price
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  Speaker 3: you pay when you criticize the government of Prime Minister Netsignanho.
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  Speaker 3: I myself have been called anti Semitic because I criticized
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  Speaker 3: that government. It is a technique of the American Zionist
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  Speaker 3: lobby to conflate opposition to American taxpayers funding a foreign
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  Speaker 3: government with hatred of the Jews. There is no connection whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about a government that is largely funded by
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  Speaker 3: the American taxpayer. I oppose that. I oppose all foreign aid.
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  Speaker 3: I would oppose aid to the that And you certainly
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  Speaker 3: can't say I'm anti Catholic. I mean, I just you
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  Speaker 3: just have to live with these scerrilous and baseless attacks.
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  Speaker 3: And when Thomas Massey was asked if he is anti Semitic,
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  Speaker 3: he said no, and hell.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I say the same for myself and for you
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  Speaker 3: and for the millions of us who question why we're
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  Speaker 3: giving all this money to a foreign government to expand itsporders.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, now pivoting over, I guess the broader question. I
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  Speaker 2: can ask your column a nation of suspects, and you're
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  Speaker 2: referring to every single person within earshot. Every American is
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  Speaker 2: a suspect deiyes of the government. And we've talked about
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  Speaker 2: this subject a lot, you know, the FISA, courts, nsay,
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  Speaker 2: the spine that's being done on us each and every day.
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  Speaker 2: Just sort of a boiled down question. It feels like,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm asking you directly, do we really even have
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  Speaker 2: a Fourth Amendment anymore? Judgment Politano, I'm sorry to say
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  Speaker 2: we don't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, one of my columns between now and the
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  Speaker 3: fourth of July will be in memoriam the Fourth Amendment.
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  Speaker 3: We really don't because of, as I point out in
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  Speaker 3: this column, fear going back to World War One, fear
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  Speaker 3: of war, fear of foreign people, fear of drugs, fear
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  Speaker 3: of crime, fear of communism, fear of terrorism. Bob Higgs,
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  Speaker 3: a retired professor at Louisiana State University, has written the
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  Speaker 3: classic book called Crisis and Lebiathan, and it shows how
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  Speaker 3: every time the government expands, it does so at the
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  Speaker 3: time of crisis. We're I'm a manual, the former mayor
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  Speaker 3: of Chicago, former White House Chief of Staff, and probably
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  Speaker 3: Canada for the Democratic nomination for president is famously said,
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  Speaker 3: with intellectual honesty, never let a crisis go to wait waste.
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  Speaker 3: The government uses crises to take liberty from the people
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  Speaker 3: and enhance its power, and then when the crisis is over,
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  Speaker 3: the power doesn't go back. In two thousand and one,
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  Speaker 3: with fifteen minutes of debate, the House of Representatives voted
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  Speaker 3: in favor of the Patriot Actor. It's one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifteen pages long. It takes three days three days to
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  Speaker 3: read because it doesn't read like a novel. It requires
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  Speaker 3: you have the entire criminal code in front of you.
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  Speaker 3: Changed the to and change and to or change five
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  Speaker 3: years to ten years. Its amendments of the existing statutes.
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  Speaker 3: But it basically lets one FBI agent authorize another FBI
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  Speaker 3: agent to search in direct and profound violation of the
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  Speaker 3: Fourth Amendment. Why well, because we thought the people that
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  Speaker 3: caused nine to eleven were about to do more damage.
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  Speaker 3: That was twenty five years ago. Patriot Act is still there,
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  Speaker 3: the powers are still there. The liberty stolen and seized
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  Speaker 3: has never been returned. There are countless examples of.
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  Speaker 2: This, Brian, countless examples, and the surveillance state keeps growing. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: technology has allowed the advancement of so many things, and
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  Speaker 2: real eye opener that I didn't know you talked about
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  Speaker 2: in your column, the sophisticated software that can read fingerprints
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  Speaker 2: from fifteen feet away.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're in the federal database for whatever benign reason,
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  Speaker 3: you applied for a federal job, you became a state
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  Speaker 3: judge and they took your fingerprints, whatever. If you're in
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  Speaker 3: that federal database and you wave goodbye or good riddance
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  Speaker 3: to an ICE agent and he's got his cell phone out,
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  Speaker 3: it takes a picture of your hand. In five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: he not only has your fingerprints, he has your medical records,
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  Speaker 3: your legal records, your banking records, your credit card records
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  Speaker 3: on his mobile device. In utter and profound violation of
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  Speaker 3: the Fourth Amendment. That's where we are today. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. It was victimized by all this before he
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  Speaker 3: was president, allowing his government to do it. This is
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  Speaker 3: the problem with giving hundreds of billions of dollars to DHS.
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  Speaker 3: They buy every toy that is advertised to them and
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  Speaker 3: they use them.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess one could throw in the CIA as well.
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  Speaker 2: We don't even know what the CIA gets by way
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  Speaker 2: of budget, but that whistleblower testimony that came out, and
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  Speaker 2: sitting on documents that they had asked for, the COVID
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  Speaker 2: nineteen origin documents. There's a bill that was passed out
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  Speaker 2: of Congress forcing them to hand it over. They still
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  Speaker 2: haven't handed it over. They play a waiting game for
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  Speaker 2: the next administration to come along, and the issue just happened,
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  Speaker 2: it happens to go away. I feel as if there
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  Speaker 2: was no oversight or control over any of these lettered agencies,
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  Speaker 2: Your honor.
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  Speaker 3: No, there isn't. There isn't, Brian, because they terrify members
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  Speaker 3: of Congress. Here's a classic example, and I don't spent
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  Speaker 3: too much time in this holltell as briefly as I can.
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  Speaker 3: When Mike Johnson was now the Speaker of the House,
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  Speaker 3: was a regular congressman from Louisiana. He was a fierce
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  Speaker 3: opponent of the Patriot Act and of its various extensions.
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  Speaker 3: As he became Speaker of the House, he continued to
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  Speaker 3: oppose it, and then one day was visited by a
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  Speaker 3: half dozen NSA agents who spent two hours with him
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  Speaker 3: in his office. We don't know what they showed him.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know what they said to him. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know what he said to them, but when he came
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  Speaker 3: out of his office, he was suddenly in favor of
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  Speaker 3: extending the Patriot Act. Was it dirt? Was it fear?
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  Speaker 3: Was it terror? Was it something about him? Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: Justice Scalia told me that he and the other justices,
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  Speaker 3: now this is circa two thousand and fourteen or fifteen.
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  Speaker 3: He died in sixteen, knew that they were being surveilled
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  Speaker 3: by the intelligence community, the Supreme Court of the United
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  Speaker 3: States being surveilled by the intelligence community by surveilled means,
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  Speaker 3: their phone calls were listened to and their key strokes
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  Speaker 3: were captured. Is it any wonder that a draft of
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  Speaker 3: the Dobbs decision came out six months before the decision itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can make big political wind of that
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  Speaker 2: one in advance of the decision being released. Obviously nefarious
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  Speaker 2: purposes to that Any point out articulable suspicion, which the
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  Speaker 2: lowest of an entry standard in your column, that was
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  Speaker 2: the baseline for government behavior target any individual merely being
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  Speaker 2: a Supreme Court justice, or a member of the House
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  Speaker 2: of Representatives, or being judge of the politano is not
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  Speaker 2: in and of itself articulable suspicion.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, But don't tell that to them because they don't
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  Speaker 3: even care about an articulable suspicion anymore. The point is,
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  Speaker 3: the title of the colimination of Suspects is not an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 3: It may have been fifteen years ago, it is not,
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  Speaker 3: it is not today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will strongly encourage my listeners get a copy
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  Speaker 2: of the column. Judganita Poloton any real quick here before
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  Speaker 2: we part company. Any other Supreme Court decisions that you
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  Speaker 2: see coming in the pipe that we can anticipate maybe
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  Speaker 2: in the summer, that you've got your eye on specifically, Well,
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  Speaker 2: the one.
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  Speaker 3: That the President is most animated about, so animated that
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  Speaker 3: he sent this vice president to have a private, unpublicized
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  Speaker 3: dinner with the Chief Justice last week. Did you know
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  Speaker 3: about that? No?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Now nobody did. Is birthright citizenship, but I don't. They
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  Speaker 3: could lobby the Chief Justice all they want from the
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  Speaker 3: oral argument that birthright citizenship thing is going down ring,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think Trump is going to prevail,
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  Speaker 3: whatever your views are on that. I think the Fourteenth
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  Speaker 3: I think the Court will take a literalist view of
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  Speaker 3: the fourteenth Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough. Judgenna Poalatono Judging Freedom is your podcast? You
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  Speaker 2: have some typical Wednesday guess or regular Wednesday guess. Who
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  Speaker 2: are you going to be speaking with?
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  Speaker 3: I have Colonel Karen Quwadkowski, Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Aaron Mate,
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  Speaker 3: and Phil Giraldi my usual Wednesday lineup. Everybody's waiting for
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  Speaker 3: the bombs to begin dropping again soon in Tehran.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this wash rinse repeat sort of negotiation process. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: get a little tired of that. I don't want bombs
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  Speaker 2: to start dropping necessarily because of the potential futility of that,
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  Speaker 2: given the massive challenges we face. I sure as hell
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  Speaker 2: would like to get the uranium out of there, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where this is going. I think Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump may have to take one on the chin, just
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  Speaker 2: get the things shut down before the November election, because well,
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  Speaker 2: we are all feeling the results of the inflationary pressures
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  Speaker 2: of the straight of horror news being shut down.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, And in three weeks we're into the World Cup
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  Speaker 3: and then summer driving season, and you're going to tell
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  Speaker 3: Joe Sixpack that he's got to pay twice to fill
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  Speaker 3: up his pickup what he paid six months ago. He's
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  Speaker 3: not happy now.
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  Speaker 2: I paid ninety dollars to fill my tank the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Yes it was premium because my car requires it, but wow,
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  Speaker 2: six bucks a gallon.
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  Speaker 3: In oh Brien in New Jersey. The gas went down.
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  Speaker 3: That went from five dollars and eighteen cents a gallon
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  Speaker 3: the five dollars and five cents a gallon. It's still outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: Well, don't spend that dime in one place, Judge Ed
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  Speaker 2: nepal Tano. God bless you, sir. We'll do this again
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  Speaker 2: next Wednesday. Take care of yourself.