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166. [Texas] Murder in Stephenville · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: No, I think it's a like a feast, like you
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  Speaker 1: A week from now, we don't know. All right, we
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  Speaker 1: are back. It's only been a few it's been seven
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  Speaker 1: years anyways. I think that's so weird. How like you
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  Speaker 1: Then they'll like say like, oh, something happened. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: Better to you, it hasn't been two days.
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  Speaker 2: You're just like continued, I saw a podcast that said
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  Speaker 2: it's been two days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've listened that. When I listened to about Sister Wives,
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  Speaker 1: They'll they'll be like, we have to go help. One
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  Speaker 1: of our kids is like, we got to take them
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  Speaker 1: to swim lessons. I'm like, well it's been it's been
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  Speaker 1: forty eight hours. We're back. Because they go and get
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  Speaker 1: like they're like us, they have like three kids, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they have three little kids. So anyways, all right, so
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  Speaker 1: off to Texas for this case. All right. On July
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven, around eight thirty in the
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  Speaker 1: evening in Stevenville, Texas, Susan Wood's father went to check
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  Speaker 1: on her because her work had called looking for her
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  Speaker 1: and she hadn't shown up, and this is completely unlike Susan,
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  Speaker 1: so he's pretty concerned. Upon arriving at her home, he
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  Speaker 1: noticed the door was a jar, so he ran in
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  Speaker 1: to check on her. Well, he's calling out for Susan
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  Speaker 1: and she doesn't respond, and so he goes searching, you know,
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  Speaker 1: further in the house because he is like trying to
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  Speaker 1: be respectful. I mean it's his thirty year old daughter,
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  Speaker 1: you know. When she doesn't respond, he's like looking through
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  Speaker 1: all the rooms and finally makes it to the bathroom. Well,
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  Speaker 1: to his horror, he walks in, he finds Susan. She
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  Speaker 1: is nude, her head is submerged in the bathtub full
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  Speaker 1: of water. He meet us, they calls nine one one
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  Speaker 1: investigators and like he knew whenever he called NIA one,
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  Speaker 1: he like she was gone, Like there was no saving No,
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  Speaker 1: it was clear she had been there for quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators arrived on the scene to find Susan drowned in
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  Speaker 1: the bathtub like her father had told them on the
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  Speaker 1: NILA one call, and it was clear to them that
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  Speaker 1: this was the driver behind this was a sexual assault.
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  Speaker 1: Now as investigators moved through the home, they realized how
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  Speaker 1: disturbing this attack and this murder actually were. Looking at
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  Speaker 1: the evidence. In the marks on Susan, it appeared that
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  Speaker 1: the killer had first attempted to smother her with the pillow,
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  Speaker 1: like so forcefully that they had left her makeup imprint
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  Speaker 1: on the pillow, and then apparently when that didn't work,
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  Speaker 1: the killer then moved on to try to strangle her
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  Speaker 1: with an electrical cord because they could see the elect
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  Speaker 1: the they found the electrical and they could see the
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  Speaker 1: mark across her neck. And then whenever that didn't I
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  Speaker 1: guess they failed to it that way, or I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the thinking was behind it, but they finally
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  Speaker 1: moved on to drowning her in the bathtub. And it
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  Speaker 1: also it looked.
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  Speaker 2: Like, well, I have questions, what so he like after
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  Speaker 2: he did this to her? He's just sitting there, like
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  Speaker 2: twiddling his thumbs, filling the bathtub, waiting to drowner, And
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  Speaker 2: she's just sitting there waiting to be drowned. Or do
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  Speaker 2: you think that the tub already had water in it
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  Speaker 2: because she had run a bath or something.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that'd be terrible, just sitting there waiting for their
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  Speaker 2: being enough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, it might be like I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: she passed out from the electrical chord strangler. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's a weird question.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's why I'm saying I have questions. Okay, Well
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you have answers.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm they this is what there. It appears that
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  Speaker 1: he either was torturing her in these methods or trying
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  Speaker 1: to kill her in these methods, and then finally made
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  Speaker 1: it to the bathtub where he drowned her. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she had ran a bath and she was gonna
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  Speaker 1: take a bath and there was already water in there,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe she passed out.
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  Speaker 2: Because that seems like it would be a tortuous way
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  Speaker 2: to just sit there while he's fall in the bathtub,
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  Speaker 2: wondering what the hell he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is bathstew. Okay, now that you've got that out,
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  Speaker 1: so well, thank you. Anyways, they are looking at the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene, however, and it the evidence that's around there
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  Speaker 1: kind of looks like maybe she knew the person who
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  Speaker 1: did this, because there's potato chips out, there's coke cans out,
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  Speaker 1: like for two people. There's six cigarette butts in the
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  Speaker 1: ash tray. The TV's on. It looks like they were
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  Speaker 1: like relaxing, smoking cigarettes and eating chips and drinking a
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  Speaker 1: coke like chill. So also when looking at the crime scene,
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  Speaker 1: they were able to pull pomp prints from the bathtub
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  Speaker 1: because it did look like he raped her while she
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  Speaker 1: was in the He had tied her hands behind her
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  Speaker 1: back in the bathtub and anyways, it's horrific. Anyways, this
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  Speaker 1: was really bad, I'll just tell you that. So there's
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  Speaker 1: palm prints on the bathtub and then there also were
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  Speaker 1: able to find a fingerprint from the coke can. Now
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  Speaker 1: at this time, this is nineteen eighty seven, so DNA
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  Speaker 1: testing was way far off However, they collected it because
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  Speaker 1: they were trained to collect things for future science advancements,
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  Speaker 1: So they did collect those cigarette butts in the hope
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  Speaker 1: that they could test them at a future date.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators began talking to friends and family. They're trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out who the hell would want to harm Susan.
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  Speaker 2: The first name that came to everyone's mind was a
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  Speaker 2: fellow by the name of Michael Woods. This Michael was
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  Speaker 2: Susan's estranged husband. Susan and Michael started having problems when
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  Speaker 2: they lived out in now Passo, Texas, as many people do.
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine living out in West Texas well.
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  Speaker 1: No, Actually, I've heard people that have moved from El
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  Speaker 1: Paso to here. They like El Paso way better.
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  Speaker 2: It's right on I ten. Yeah, it's closer to other
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  Speaker 2: things I assume.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been to El Paso, but I've
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  Speaker 1: been throughout Nobody. Nobody likes it here.
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  Speaker 2: So even the people from El Paso I hate Medland.
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  Speaker 1: No, That's what I'm saying is that other people. I've
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  Speaker 1: heard people say that el that have moved here from
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  Speaker 1: El Paso have said that this place is worse like
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  Speaker 1: you said it might be because there's like access to
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you're closer to you're on it, and you can
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  Speaker 2: go east or west and get somewhere else. Yeah, unlike here,
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  Speaker 2: it's five hours to anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. El Paso's pretty far out there,
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  Speaker 1: it is. I don't know what's going on in ol
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  Speaker 1: Paso though.
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  Speaker 2: Should we stop and look at the map? No, it's
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  Speaker 2: been forty eight hours we drove to.
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  Speaker 1: Are here to report, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so they were having trouble out in West Texas
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  Speaker 2: with their marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Not West, that's not West.
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  Speaker 2: I think West Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that is a different Okay, Texas is so big,
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  Speaker 1: that's a different West Texas. I feel like that's not
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  Speaker 1: what people call it. Can call I mean Texas we're in.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's just West Texas is massive.
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  Speaker 2: It is massive.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they were having problems in Opaso. He was he
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  Speaker 1: was trying to be in a rock band.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have all that information.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go on. Yes to the listeners talk about
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  Speaker 1: Michael's aspirations to.
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  Speaker 2: Be in a rock band, to become a musician in
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  Speaker 2: rock band, Well, he had them while they were out.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know where you would go to in
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  Speaker 2: now Pasoa. Is there a big Rocks you know?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he thought it was better.
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  Speaker 2: Than stephen Midland, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: No Stephenville.
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  Speaker 2: Do we know how big Stephenville is?
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  Speaker 1: Uh No, but it's better than I'll pass on Midland.
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  Speaker 1: Midland in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Never been there, never heard of it, but it's got
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: to be better than Middlan.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: I've heard of it. I can't remember where it's at
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: right now. Texas is big. If you're not from Texas
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  Speaker 1: or you're not from the United States and you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to this, you're probably like, what kind of dumbasses don't
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  Speaker 1: know where the certain cities are? Texas is massive and
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: there's so many cities it's hard to keep up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, you got an east to west.
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  Speaker 1: Pas like thirteen or fourteen hours to drive across Texas.
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  Speaker 1: That's how long it takes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, takes an entire day of travel.
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  Speaker 1: Like you could drive all of like Scotland in less
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  Speaker 1: time than it takes to drive across Texas. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's people are probably hanging up on us right now.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, just pressing pause delete fast forward. Anyway, Michael had
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  Speaker 2: these dreams of becoming a rock star out in El Paso.
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  Speaker 2: I guess there's a big rock scene out there that
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  Speaker 2: I am unaware of where aspiring musicians. They were struggling,
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  Speaker 2: but Susan wanted to move back to Stephenville, where she
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: had support from friends and family.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, she wasn't that. She just wanted didn't didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to support him in his dreams. They couldn't eat
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: food like, they couldn't make There was no food for them.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what they said the sandwiches they had
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  Speaker 1: to make, but it was basically.
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  Speaker 2: Bread, baloney on hand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like nothing. They were barely making it.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, we have got to go back to where
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: we have support and we can more maybe more affordable
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 2: Get a job, get bread to go with the baloney.
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  Speaker 1: You're not when you have to give one your rock
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  Speaker 1: star dreams.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Get that olive loaf, olive loaf, you never ate olive loaf, the.
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  Speaker 1: Lunch meat, yes, yeah, with the little green things, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yes do.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that was the fancy bolooney is all that was. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to move back to Stephenville. Michael thought it
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: was a terrible idea because he thought that that was
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: the worst place to live because it would not allow
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  Speaker 2: him to pursue his rock style.
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  Speaker 1: He felt it was very conservative town, which is probably true,
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  Speaker 1: and it just didn't go with his lifestyle. And I'm
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: not to sidetrack us anymore, but I like a balloona
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  Speaker 1: A fried bolooney sandwich with on toast with with miracle.
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  Speaker 2: Whip is like some Velveta process.
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  Speaker 1: Chasee, No, I don't like Velveta. Actually, I think it's uh,
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  Speaker 1: they did something to it. It's not the same velvet
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  Speaker 1: as like whenever I was a kid, and you make
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: like dip out of it. Now when you do it,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: it's like this powder work. But we've we've moved on,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm making everything from scratch now.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, can I get back to the story, Karen, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean to from your Blooney sandwiches. Things finally did
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  Speaker 2: come to a head about a week before Susan was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: Michael got really angry. He left the home, He took
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  Speaker 2: her car and moved to Indianapolis to pursue his rock
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  Speaker 2: star dreams.
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  Speaker 1: Up there again, I guess is that where the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame is the rock and roll Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: That's in Canton, Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well that's not any better El Paso.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's the NFL, the the uh No, it's in.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. They let anybody in the Rock and
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  Speaker 2: Roll Hall of Fame anymore anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think they let Taylor Swift get in. Yes, kidding,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, they probably true. All right, So there
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  Speaker 1: he's moved to Indianapolis. You lost your.
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  Speaker 2: Spot, Yes, I did lose my spot. But on top
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  Speaker 2: of that, he also took personal items of Susan's that
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  Speaker 2: that she held dearly to her heart.
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  Speaker 1: Karen, just just being an ass And yeah, it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like it was out of spite.
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  Speaker 2: He had left a bunch of nasty notes and also
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I believe video recordings of just saying shitty stuff about her.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone around her was concerned about Michael.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's a weird thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because back then, you got to get to BHS
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  Speaker 2: tapes just to leave.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: It's not like I just left you a nasty look at.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Your phone and facetiming and or recorded on your phone.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of effort put in.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, you had to put effort into leaving video recordings
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: be mean to somebody. Yeah, all, so ourler friends are worried.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: They're warned her to make sure that she protected herself.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So when they found out that whoever killed Susan was
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: somebody that she may have been comfortable with, everybody straight
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: away thought about Michael being the suspect.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Because this all just happened. This all just happened the
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: last week that this all went down, him leaving and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. So this is fresh in everybody's
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: mind that he's acting this way and is this upset.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Without much more to go on, they really focused in
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: on Michael Woods. They headed to Indiana to speak to
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Michael in person and interview him about Susan's murders murders
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: not murders, murder well investigators. They let Michael know that
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Susan had been brutally murdered, and they asked him, you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: what is your involvement in any of this and everything?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Because this technically would be if he didn't do it
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: would be the first time he's finding out about this
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: because this is yes, would be news to him. So
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: they really they really push in him. They are they're
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: going that he's the one responsible for this. So they
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: don't have much sympathy as him being the estranged husband
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: finding out that his wife has been murdered.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Especially after all this dickish.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Behavior that he has, and so they go straight into
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: him asking about his involvement. He just keeps pushing back,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: saying that he had nothing to do with it, saying
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that he was innocent, and they just will not let
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: this go. They just keep hounding him, saying, we know
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you did it. Tell us what you did to Susan,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: everything like that. Well, Michael told detectives that him and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Susan actually had a great marriage until she insisted they
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: moved back to Stephenville. He said this was not a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: town he wanted to live in. It was, like we said,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it was too conservative, conservative of a town for what
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: he would like to be doing, which is living his
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: rock star lifestyle. I mean, it can't be that far
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: from Austin, he could have. That's the music city capital
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of Texas, a hus Yeah. I mean, come on, Michael,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you on any rocks, like a headlining
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a band or anything. So Luck said, why are you
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: looking at me like that?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Just waiting pret going maybe he's playing backup guitar for
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Taylor's wall.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he is. That would be absolutely insane. Michael
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: insisted that Susan was not afraid of him, despite what
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Susan's friends and family were telling investigators. Well, like we said,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: investigators just not buying his story. They asked Michael for
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: his alibi, and he stated that he was all the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: way in Indianapolis, Indiana, at his brother's home on the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: night that Susan was found. However, investigators were not one
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: hundred percent sold on this alibi because due to the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: state of Susan's body with the water, they believed that
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: she had been murdered at least forty eight hours prior
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: to finding her, so she had been there some time.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So this would have allowed Michael time to travel back
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to Indianapolis from Texas because it was I think eleven
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: hundred miles or or something like that.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I can, Yeah, that would have had the alibim for
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the time I would have taken him to drive down
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: there drive back. Yeah, And I don't think they had
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: all of his alibis lined up for that entire time yet.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he was definitely under a microscope and basically
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: he's their only suspect at this point. So they really
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: are focusing in on him.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Investigators are sure that Michael was the perpetrator, but they
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: really don't have any evidence to go on because his fingerprints,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: his palm prints, none of it matched the ones at
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the crime scene.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Which is a bit of a problem. A problem they
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: are focusing in on him, yet they have absolutely zero evidence. Besides,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: people think he's immediate.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: It was his co conspirator, he was there, it was
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: just his buddy left pom prints. That's how these capsules think.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is that how those things do?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Some of them, well, whenever they're not, whenever they can't,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: all of them pick the suspect.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: The pick the person first and then work the evidence
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: around what they to fit their person.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Because this did not stop them from pursuing Michael as
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: their prime suspect. And when he then obtained a lawyer
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and he stopped cooperating with police, which made him further
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a suspect, but with little to nothing on him, the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: case went cold for years. Over those years, they would
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: continually try to run the prints against anyone that would
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: like once a year, all these new people would enter
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the fingerprint system, so they would run.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: But I think this was before codis though, so they're
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: having to just match it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: This is the fingerprints, yes, in the database, not the DNA.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Okay whatever, the fingerprint database. They didn't have a national
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: fingerprint database at this point, so I believe they were
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just having to match it with like local that had
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: committee crimes that might have been similar to Susan's or
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: in that violent crimes and things like that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Up to this point, doing that, they had zero luck Cara.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Now almost twenty years would go by and in two
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: thousand and five the case was reopened by the Stephenville
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Police Department. Now at this point they did obviously have
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: these huge advances in DNA technology. It is still two
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: thousand and five, so it's come a long way, but
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: not as far. You know, now we have genetic genealogy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: You're really fucked if you kill somebody, so don't do
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that anyway. So or you're going to be really smart
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: about it, which is very hard because now they can
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: even get the residual DNA. You know, you don't even
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: have to like leave a hair or blood or touch something.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You just touch it and it's like touch DNA. They
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: can get that off of you. So, yeah, you're screwed anyway,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: so they knew they had. So again it always just
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: takes I'm always interested to figure out. I guess there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: just so many cold cases and so only so much
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: money and time.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Racehorse.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they had Yeah, because they had the the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: six cigarette butts obviously that had DNA, and then they
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: had the fingerprint from the coke can, so they knew
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that they could run that DNA. So they submitted the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: fingerprint to the National database and then said the cigarette
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: butt off for testing all six of them. Well, whenever
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: they came back, all six cigarettes butts were from the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: same male profile. So whoever was smoking those cigarettes, it
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was one person there, and so they knew if they
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: could match that profile, they would find Susan's killer.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: All these years later, Michael Woods is still suspect number
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: one in everybody's eyes.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, the whole of Stephenville thinks he is guilty, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: he's just this disgusting rapist, murder murder that's out there
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: trying to live his rock style rock star trees.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Now with the DNA profile, even though they had eliminated
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: him through the fingerprints and the palm prints that they found,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: they wanted to get his DNA so that they could
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: foresore rule him in or out.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, because the cold case detective did say that he
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: had ruled him out just from the fingerprints, but he
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: wanted to go I don't believe that. I think he's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: he's from He's probably from Stephenville and probably grow up
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: with this whole thing and probably thought he was like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I just got to get that fucker's DNA. An argument. Yeah,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: he made it so well. I had. I had already
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: ruled him out by the fingerprint, but I wanted to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: get the DNA.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Just to that out of the public's just breathing down
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: his neck. So he's like, I got to get this.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I know, But I'm saying I don't one hundred percent
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: believe him saying that he just thought that he wasn't
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the one who did it based on the fingerprint. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: think he wanted the DNA too.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Well. Michael wasn't giving up as DNA. He said no,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and then the detective finally talked him into it, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: he said, look, dude, if you didn't do this, give
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: us your DNA. This will once and for all clear
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you of all guilt in this case. If you didn't
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I understand his hesitancy. He's been for twenty years.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: He's been the prime suspect. Everyone thinks he's a rapist
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and murderer.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And then well this is two thousand and five as well,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: So I was like, what is this DNA thing? I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: don't know?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Well, also it's like, are they trying to frame me
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with something? I would be concerned at this point that
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: they were just trying to plant some stuff because we've
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: seen some shady shit. Yeah, and this case really needs
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to be solved because Stephenville is mad about this. They've
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: been mad about it for twenty years.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, Michael gives over his DNA and he's cleared
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it wasn't him. The whole situation for Michael was very
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: unfortunate because this loomed over his head for decades, with
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: everyone in Stephenville thinking he was a rapist and a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: violent murderer.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, and like we said, this crime scene was horrific,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: So to be the prime suspect for this was just like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you're a monster. Now that they finally had Michael out
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of the suspect list, and like we said, he seemed
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to be the only one that they really focused on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: this entire time. Investigators they were able to start looking
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: outside of him, except for they really didn't have any thing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: To go on. Oh, we're gonna look at that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they re looked at the evidence as well
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: as the people in Susan's life, trying to see if
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they could come up with anyone else that might have
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: wanted to harm her. Now, while they are looking into this,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they finally receive a hit from the fingerprint on the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: coke can from the National database. So not the DNA,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: but they did get the fingerprint. The person that came
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: back to was a forty year old male named Joseph
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Scott Hatley. Now he went by Scott. So Scott was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: nowhere in the case files as having ever been a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: suspect or interviewed. Like the investigator looked back through He's like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I have no clue where this person's who this person?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Howie knows there we got Yeah, we got to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: do police work.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. So, when trying to understand more about Scott and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to see if he would be like a viable suspect
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: for this, they learned that he had allegedly raped and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: beaten a sixteen year old girl just a year after
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Susan's murder. Because again, they had his fingerprint. I can't
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: remember what they got his fingerprint off of. But he
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't in like the DNA, Nay, he had never done
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: anything else, so it was just kind of random. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: as there, as he's investigating this guy, he talks to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor and he's like, oh, I remember this guy's name.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: We were for sure knew that he did this to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: this this young sixty year old girl. However, a grand
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: jury chose not to indict him, so he was never
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: brought up on any charges for that. Now, investigators spoke
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to the woman who had been allegedly raped by we
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: have to say allegedly because he is not convicted of it,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Well fuck him, but who raped this girl? We don't care.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I don't want to get hid.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He's gone on to his great reward. It's fine. So
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he They talked to her about how Scott had raped her,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and she told investigators that she had been dating him.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: He was actually, I think twenty one at the time,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: so she was sixteen. He's twenty one. So this wasn't
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a great relationship to start off with because he's twenty one,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: she's sixteen, and that should not be happening anyway, So
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: she said that he became very possessive of her, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: then whenever she finally tried to break up with him,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: he became enraged. This is when he attacked her and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: then raped her multiple times. She said that in between
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: each time that he raped her, he would actually just
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sit over there and stop and smoke a cigarette. So
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: this is going to tie back to Susan's case here
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: in a minute. So during these rapes, he also threatened her,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: saying that he would kill her and that he had
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: done that before, which this was a year after Susan's murder,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: so he was telling her the truth. She continued to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: beg for her life and was able to convince him
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to let her live and he ended up driving her home.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: He did try to it was very similar to Susan's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: as well. He tried to kill her in a different
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: manner like strangle her or something, and then he didn't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: go through it that way, and then he was going
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to take her to a creak and drown her, which
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: he would have learned that progression from Susan. So the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: similarities were very disturbing, so she had to, like said
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: she can she basically started doing the thing, We're like, hey,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he just wanted to be like be with her and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: wanted to marry her and stuff like that. So she's like, hey, yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: this is fine. I know you write me multiple times,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: but we'll be together after this and thing. And that's
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: how she convinced him.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: You got to go home and take a shower. Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and then we'll go down to the jail pee and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: get married.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be together. And because he was basically like
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: kind of upsessed. He was obsessed with this girl and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: would just I want to say obsessed. He was possessive
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of people, it seemed like. So anyway, so after that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: she went to the police and then they didn't freaking
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: indict him.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: So he got a sandwich put a grand jury. But
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: not this guy.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: No, this guy got nothing. Nothing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Now that investigators have the other woman's full story, they
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: see a lot of similarities between her attack and Susan's,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: including those cigarettes and the multiple times that he probably
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: raped her multiple times he tried to kill her in
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: different ways.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he could have raped her six times, as
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: there were six cigarette butts with his in this hole.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Cause again they don't know how long or they knew
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that the attack had gone with Susan had was a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: long attack. Based on the state of the home, they
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: could tell that it was a long struggle and it
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was basically she's trapped in there with this monster who's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: doing this to her.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: With this information, they go to round Rock, Texas, which
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I know where that's at north of Austin.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, you do, just do way to go.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Been there a couple times. They go talk to mister
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Scott and when they confronted him about the crime, he
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: had been immediately denied any involvement and he didn't know
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: why he would be brought up in this investigation. He's like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, how do you get my name associated
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: with this?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Because you have to remember too, after he did these
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: two things, he has no other police records, there's nothing else,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and he was never even brought up on charges on
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the one that he did, so he's been just living
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: a normal life pretty much. I mean, I don't I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: don't think they ever connected anything else to him. He
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: just did these things and then just went on about
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it and then like really horrific things and then just
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: went about his business. I mean, it's strange, or.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: He did other things that they just haven't found out
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: about yet. When they confronted him about his fingerprint being
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: found at the crime saying, he's like, I don't know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I got no explanation for that. He continued to deny
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: any involvement. However, investigators were able to get a DNA
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: sample and it was a match Kara all right.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So with this information, Joseph Scott Hatley was arrested for
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the rape and murder of Susan Woods. Now, when trying
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to understand how Susan would have allowed Scott into her home,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: they found out that one of her best friends was
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Scott's cousin. So this was the friend of Susan's was
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: very disturbed that this was her cousin that she said
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: was like a nice guy that she never even like.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: It would have never even crossed her mind that he
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: would do this or would have been involved with anything
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: like this. So anyway, so prior to the murder, the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: friend had introduced Scott to Susan. So if he had
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: in casual just like, hey, this is my cousin, Scott,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So if he had shown up to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: her home and knocked on the door, she would and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: asked for because this is nineteen eighty seven two, so
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you have to remember, like he could have said, hey,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I was broke down, car broke down the neighborhood. Can
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I bart and she would have been like, oh, yeah, hey,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it's Scott. You're such and such his cousin. So that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: probably how he was able to just enter into her
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: home and probably why he was sitting there. He might
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: have been sitting there drinking a coke with her and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: eaten chips and it being chill until it wasn't.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Until it was well.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: The prosecution was putting together its case against Scott. Scott
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: came forward saying that he had information on a double
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: homicide and that he would testify if he could work
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: out a plea deal. And apparently he heard of this
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: double homicide while he was in jail. I believe now
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: for his testimony, he was able to plead down to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a lesser charge and was sentenced to only thirty years
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: in prison. However, he would not be able to appeal
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: his conviction, so he was just gonna have to serve
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the thirty years. He did testify in that double homicide,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and that person was found guilty, so they were able
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to put that person behind bars. I don't have any
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: information about that case before you ask me, Stewart, Okay,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you don't, no, Now this is gonna piss you off.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So however, just eleven years after being put in prison,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: he was released early due to overcrowding. How we are
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: allowing people that do violent crimes to be released early
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: due to overcrowding, and we give me the drug dealers.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I don't care like, let them out if you run
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: out of room. Do not let the rapist and murderers out.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I can't even But it's because he pled down to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a lesser charge. So whatever that charge, I don't know
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: what the exact charge was, but it wasn't capital murder
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and things like that. So anyway, so he was released
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: after eleven years. But thankfully he did die in twenty
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: twenty one of cancer, and hopefully it was a painful
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: passing for him. So there was a person who bought
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: his trailer where he lived up until he was arrested,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and they found two hundred and sixty pages of writings
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: where he wrote about how he became a monster. He
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: went into some detail about what happened with Susan and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: his writing said that he was in a blurred state
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: whenever he attacked Susan, but he did admit that he
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: brutalized Susan and tried to kill her with a pillow.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: He also indicated that he really had no true He said,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I never like cried about this or anything. It just
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and basically he's like, I don't know what's wrong with me.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I never relieved.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: What I did with her doesn't bother me. What's wrong
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: with me? Kind of bothered?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna cry? Okay, you're getting choked up there
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: for a second.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Cough but trying to avoid coughing.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: If that's okay anyway, So he had really no remorse
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: about this to what he had done to Susan as
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: well as the teenage girl that he raped the year after.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And again, they have no other things that he did,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like they can't time to any other crimes. They think
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that it was just these two. And then he just
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: moved on, you know, started writing down his feelings. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: guess I don't know anyways.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So well, I guess it's better than brutalizing more women.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just glad he's dead because I was real
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: upset when I was like, oh my god, where's this
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: guy at Like he's you know, so anyways, so he
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: is gone, all right, So that is our case for
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: this week. And STU, do you have your y'all need
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Jesus ready?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Oh? Do you have it ready right now?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Or?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Am I gonna have to talk about what I baked
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: this week?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: What did you think I made?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Bread? We have gone? I am. I am like so
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: sick of everything. I'm so sick. I feel like everything
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is overprized. I feel like everything is shit. So this
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: week I made my own so I'm I'm also trying to,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like I feel like we just spend so much money
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: on like groceries and everything and it's all crap. So anyway,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: so I made are do you have it ready?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yes? I got it?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was okay, you have a ready?
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I thought you wanted to tell everybody about your banking.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: No, I'll just say this. So I made white chicken
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: chili and it was very very good, and then I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: took the leftovers so in between, I made like fried
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: rice the next night, and I made that from scratch,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: so because it wasn't hard at all, Like this stuff
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is hard, but it costs like you know, fifteen dollars
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to get a box of fried rice at a restaurant. Anyways,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: so I made fried rice and in the next night
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I made I was like, okay, I'm gonna make enchiladas
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: with my leftover white chicken chili because it was just
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: chicken and beans and then like almost like a taco
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: type seasoning or whatever that was the the sauce. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, I'm gonna make enchiladas, so
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I need tortillas, and I was like almost bought the tory.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you have to stop and think about
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: how you can make stuff on your own. So I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: made homelad tortillas. The enchiladas were like, so good, weren't
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: they two? Yes, they were extremely good, and it was
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the left ship. Yeah, so anyway, no, it was better. Yes,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it was better than that. So anyway, so we made
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I made homemade tortillas. It wasn't hard at all. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: then the oh, I did the total the total to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: make the white chicken chili with the tortillas and everything
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was like I think it was like nine something. So
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I did like each one meal was like four four
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: sixty one total for the meal. And then The second
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: night that we had it with the enchiladas was only
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like seven dollars. So I did both meals for like
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: eleven bucks to feed all of us. And yes, my
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: children eat all of it. They're pretty good about eating.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: We don't just we don't just do chicken tenders and fries.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: They would love to just eat that, but I do
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: try to make them eat other foods, so they eat
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: whatever we are making. For the most part. We don't
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: make this, we don't do second, we don't do a
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: we don't do catered meals to the children. They have
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to eat whatever we're eating or they starve, yeah, which
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I always show like they always looking at especially the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: four year old, she's like, I don't like this. Every
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: time I put anything I don't like this, I'm like, okay,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: we'll just try it. And then she goes and she
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: eats the whole thing because it is good. But I mean,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I make stuff that they like, though I'm not going
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to make something. I'm like, oh, they're eat it anyways,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: all right, so you have to go ahead with your This.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: One is not as fun as normal. Okay, might not
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: be funny at all, just incredulous, incredulous incredulous. Okay, like
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: when you hear what these two yahos were up to,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: what their plans were coming to us From Charlotte News
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: w C n C. I don't have no name, oh Rachel,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Rachel Snyder, Sophie Rosenthal, November twenty five, car two men
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: charged an alleged plot to invade an island off of
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: hate yesterday.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Huh this was yesterday, yes, okay.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: To invade an island off of Haiti and turn the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: women and children into sex lives.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: No, this isn't funny.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't say it was funny. I'm saying it's incredulous.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Like this is jaw dropping, like.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Real, say the word incredulous? Right?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you want to look it up. I might
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: look it up while you're continuing to.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Read and tell me if I'm off Plano, Texas homeless
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: people from DC and international invasion, kidnapping and murder. Those
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: were at the center of a plot prosecutor say was
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: thought up by two Texas men landing them. I forgot
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to ask you if it was Florida. Not Florida. Oh
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: not Florida, good guess, honey, landing them in jail and
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: facing life in present. Gavin Rizard Rivers Weisenberg, age twenty one,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and Tanner Christopher Thomas, h twenty were indicted by a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: grand jury in Texas Eastern District on Thursday. Court documents
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: paying a picture of an elaborate plot to take over
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: an island off the coast of Haiti and fulfill violent
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: rape fantasies Carol. Between August twenty twenty four and July
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Weisenberg and Thomas allegedly playing to recruit
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and hire homeless people in Washington, DC area to work
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: as mercenaries to carry out a coup. The taie on
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: a place called Ganabe Island, and it's controlled by Haiti.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: It's the largest island off the country's coast, where a
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: population estimated between eighty five thousand and one hundred thousand people.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: They thought they were going to take over eighty five thousand.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: People, these two geniuses here. Now. Their plan was once
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: they got to the island, the men wanted to kill
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: all the men that were on the island.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Two but they were going to try to get other
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: people there.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: They were going to get the homeless, washing homeless population
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: from Washington, DC transport them down there as mercenaries to
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: do all.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: The dirty Yeah, because I looked up in crunches. I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: don't think you're using it quite right, but it'll work. Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Once they got to the island, they wanted to murder
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: all the men, turn the women and children into sex slave.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: They planned to buy a sailboat, guns and AMMO for
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: this car.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: This is like a really bad version of Pirates at
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean, like a like a bad version.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: These people are moron to make their scheme of reality.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: The two well get this though. They are motivated because
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: they learned Haitian creole so they could talk in the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: local language.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Did they really or they just learned a couple of words?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I really put it past. I really don't believe that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: they've learned an entire language.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Thomas enlisted in the Air Force and messaged Weisenberg on
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a social media telling him it would help advance the plan.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: So he joined the Air Force to do this, which
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it's going to advance the plan.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Unless you're forward air controller or your pair of rescue,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: one of the pjs, you don't really do a lot
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of firing tactics stuff like that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, you just said a lot of words that don't understand.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Let's just I'm just saying, you're not going to do
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of weapons training in the Air Force unless
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: you're in the forward a chair force as you call it,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the Air Force. He was assigned to Ramstein Air Force
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Base in Germany for his initial station. He had himself
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: reassigned to Joint Base Andrew so he could stay in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: the US and be nearer to Washington, d C. To
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: aid in recruiting people experiencing homelessness nearby to be part
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: of their army. According to the court documents, yeah, they
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: had this whole plan.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: If only they'd put their their they.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Could have got a nice homeless or something through a
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: put it into like.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: A business ideal or something. Besides taking over an.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Island to have sex with the women and children?
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Why are the children? That's so I mean, like, I mean,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it's not good either the women, but like, why are
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: we roping the children into this? It's so disturbing.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, weisenbergen ruedld in the North Texas Fire Academy to
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: train in command and control protocols skills he thought he
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: would need for the Armed cop He failed out of
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the school six months later, though, two weeks after being
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: dismissed from the school, he flew to Thailand. There he
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: planned to enroll in a sailing school to learn how
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: to use the boat they planned to buy to go
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: invade the island, but the school was too expensive and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: he did not end up enrolling. At some point in
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the process, they also allegedly coerced a minor into participating
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: in child pornography that they filmed. Weisenberg and Thomas were
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: charged federally with conspiracy to commit murder, maim or kidnap
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: in a foreign country production of child pornography. If convicted
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: of the first charge, they face up to life in prison,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and if convicted of the second charge, they faced fifteen
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to thirty years in prison.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Care.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: So these two ya, who's definitely need some Jesus or
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: hopefully there'll be some guy named Jesus behind them in prison.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Oh still, what? Okay? All right, you just know how
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to take it down.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're producing child porn. Maybe they need
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: to be corn holed or something.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, okay, I'm sure they're going to have
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: what's coming up. They're the lowest and the totem pole
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: on the prison. They usually are the ones they get.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: They look kind of cute too, so they're gonna be okay.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: All right, Well that's our y'all need Jesus.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I guess they do need some Jesus.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You guys were you're losing me because it's like, yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't know what you were doing over there.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: You weren't even listening to the story. You're just reading.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I was listening to the story up to sport. I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: did you did lose me when you start talking about
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: their charges and things like that. So anyways, thank you everyone.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: We will not be here next week Thanksgiving, so no
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: new episode and then we'll be back the next week.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Should be hopefully back on schedule, but I don't.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Know we should be as long as we don't die.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Because I'm taking off the Monday. He's saying that because
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: because we were saying good night to the children earlier,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: and I said, I was like, Stu, I was like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: do you ever have these thoughts? And I said, I said,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I said like, And He's like, what, I don't know
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: what you said or whatever, and I was like, no,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: like whenever you were saying good night to the children
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: were doing like love you baby, and because we do
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: this thing every night anyways, I was like, do you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: ever like have this like image. It's like, this is
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the last time we're going this because we're all going
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: to die in a crash tomorrow. And he's like no,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: so yeah, these are the things that go through my head.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get a little I'm already three children deep
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: into this now I can't just no.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I get a little anxious about like for some reason,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like when we're getting in the on the road, are
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: doing road trips, I get anxious.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: About, but not driving acrossdown.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Crashing, you know. Anyways, all right, so Patreon, join reviews,
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• 47:15
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• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Were the We're all we're all the fringe podcasting apps
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: now too, So hopefully we'll get some new listeners out there.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a mom and pop situation though,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: so operation because we literally don't advertise or anything. We
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: just like hope that somebody finds us.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I don't are you post this to your friends and like,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: hey listen to this.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just like telling someone who is is how
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we operate. We're like we have we we don't advertise.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: What seven is it? Seven years? Yeah?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Seven years?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've gone from ten to twenty listeners.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yep, we've doubled our listeners. All right, So I guess
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: we will see you next time. Byevery one, Say bye, Steve.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Don't you know it's bad to be superstitious by nothing else.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: It's working and my hand, it's prett and learning and sick.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: It's worthy.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I can