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Are The 2024 Eagles A Top 5 Team Ever?, Which NFL Divisions Could Have 3 Playoff Teams, & Building An Olympic Flag Football Roster · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes.
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  Welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  Welcome to episode 12 of three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  I'm excited for today's episode. We've got a couple good topics
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  we're talking about today, but to get us started here, I have a
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  little game for you guys. So recently Eagles running back
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  Saquon Barkley came out and said that he thinks the 2024 Super
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  Bowl champion Eagles are a top five team ever.
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  And So what I want you guys to do is I have put together a list
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  of 10 teams, five teams from before 2005, teams from after
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  2000. And I'm just going to read them
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  off. And I want you guys to tell me
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  if the Eagles from 2024 are better or if these teams are
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  better. Oh.
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  OK. So the first one here is the
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  1972 Dolphins, the only undefeated team in NFL history.
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  Yeah, I mean, they have to be better, right?
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  Whose rules are we playing? Their 70s rules or.
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  More rules you have to go you have to go best like like they
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  were the best at in that time, right.
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  He was the best in their time. The game is different, but I
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  still think that that it's it's equal, equal, I guess them now
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  versus them then. I feel like being undefeated is
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  enough to put you on top, like because you can only, you can
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  only really be judged based on the era that you play in.
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  You know, it's like winning a Super Bowl, but like every top
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  quarterback was injured. It's like it doesn't take away
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  the Super Bowl. It's like you still won.
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  Everyone was trying as hard as they could.
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  You know, it's not your fault that you didn't have better
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  competition, I guess. But I mean, that's not like I
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  know the competition in that year was 50 years ago.
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  Yeah. I'd have to say the Dolphins.
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  OK. And all these teams are all
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  Super Bowl winners, by the way. Second team the 1985 Chicago
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  Bears. And that's talked about this the
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  most dominant defense of all time.
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  Yeah, they have the fridge. Or what's his name?
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  Refrigerator Perry feel like that's the right team.
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  Was he on that? I don't know.
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  I don't know anything. In because in my mind, all of
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  these everything pre 2000 is basically going to be like
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  toughness versus like speed and skill.
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  Like that's whenever I watch old footage like that's what it
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  looks like. It's like these men are real
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  men. Like these guys would like they
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  wouldn't even need pads. We're talking about, we're
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  talking about the 85 bears. 85 bears.
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  Refrigerator Perry's working season on the Bears.
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  OK, I'm going to have to say the Bears, but part of this might
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  just be like my indifference towards the 24 eagles.
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  Like I thought like they they were good, but like, not.
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  Yeah, I'm going to say the bears.
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  Now, without stats or anything like that, I don't know if I
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  agree with that. That team, as far as I remember,
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  was held up by its defense. Which was #1 in almost every
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  single defensive. Category, sure, but still, I
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  feel like the Eagles this year were fairly well-rounded
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  offensively and defensively. They beat the Patriots 46 to 10
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  in the Super Bowl. The 85 Bears.
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  Yeah, I mean. Jeez.
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  I don't know. I mean, the Eagles would have
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  shouldn't beat the Chiefs by words, but some garbage time
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  touchdowns happened and I had such as didn't happen back then,
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  Yeah. I mean, the fact that they just
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  daddied up the Chiefs is that's not nothing.
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  I I think I'm going with the Eagles this time.
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  OK, OK. I think I'm going with the
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  Eagles. OK, All right.
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  Next one. The 1992 Dallas Cowboys, who
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  were the youngest team in the NFL at the time, who went 13 and
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  3. Well, I'm going to have to go
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  Cowboys, but that's just pure Cowboys over Eagles bias.
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  I'll be honest about it, sorry. I'm going to go Eagles, although
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  I will say that I'm looking at it now.
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  The Cowboys beat the Bills 52 to 17.
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  However, however, I would say that regardless, the Bills
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  weren't winning. They were they, they had a
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  destiny to lose four in a row. So I feel like any team they
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  played, they had to lose. But that's that's superstition.
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  Well, and, and just start from the head coach position.
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  Jimmy Johnson is a way better head coach than next year
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  Sirianni will ever be. So you start there and you start
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  working away piece by piece of that team, that Cowboys team,
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  Emmitt Smith, Michael Irving, and you're just not.
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  Going to get that. Yeah, man, we were born in
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  between two Super Bowl Cowboys Super Bowl victories.
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  Yes, I know. I didn't know that because I
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  didn't care, but now I see it and I and I care the.
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  Reminder, Avery. OK, so we're going one and one
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  on this one. Will's got the Cowboys and
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  Avery's got the Eagles. Yeah.
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  OK, OK, Next one, the 1994 San Francisco 49ers.
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  Eagle, you were set. 1994. We're talking Steve Young, Jerry
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  Rice, man, I mean, here's a problem is that we're trying to
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  judge current player kids players and our kids are going
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  to talk about is oh, you have to watch this guy play as people.
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  We are taking for rent of running of right now.
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  That being said, I actually don't know who I'm going with
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  here. It's going to get a little bit
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  easier that. I'm going to go years.
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  Are going up as we go along. Once we start under, knowing who
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  the teams are might be easy. True.
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  Yeah, which I watch these teams play.
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  I think I'm going to go with the Eagles as well.
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  Actually, go with the Eagles. OK, all right.
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  So next one, the 1999 Saint Louis Rams The Greatest Show on
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  Turf. Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk.
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  I know. Avery has a soft spot in his
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  heart for Kurt Warner. I do.
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  Yeah, I'm going to have to go with the Rams there.
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  Will, I don't know, Dick for meal Head coach Kurt Warner,
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  Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt and these are all
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  household names. Oh man, I just was harder than I
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  thought. I told I'm in the game.
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  As mentioned earlier, the game is just so much different now
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  versus then. I don't know oh how many go with
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  the Rams as well. OK.
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  That's a close 1 though. That is really close, OK.
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  OK, so that's the five teams before 2000.
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  So the five teams after 2000, The first one, the 2009 New
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  Orleans Saints. Oh, I'm taking this Eagles team.
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  Taking the Eagles. OK, I thought everyone might
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  pick the Saints on that one. I want, I would like to say the
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  Saints, but I didn't feel like they were particularly dominant.
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  Yeah, they weren't. Yeah, a team of circumstance,
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  truly. Yeah, OK.
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  I'd I'd say the same thing with like the Cardinals the year
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  before if they had won. It was.
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  Like they weren't expected to be there at all.
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  They were just great in the playoffs.
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  Everything fell together. OK, the next one, the 2013
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  Seattle Seahawks. The Legion of Boom.
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  I'm going to go Seahawks. Who did play in the Super Bowl
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  that year 1013 The. Broncos.
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  Oh, that was the that was the embarrassing.
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  See the beat. Down.
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  Was that wasn't. That Peyton Manning.
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  Yeah, yeah, that was an opening snap safety.
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  I living in the Northwest, I watched that game with a series
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  of Seahawks players and it was miserable for me as a person who
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  does not like the Seahawks. From the very first snap, it was
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  just yelling and screaming about how good this team is.
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  But what they didn't really have was a consistent offense.
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  I mean, they had March on Lynch and they had Russell Wilson.
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  I can't name a single receiver off top my head from that team.
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  I'm sure if you said that I remember them.
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  But like Doug Baldwin, OK, that doesn't do anything for me.
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  I'm taking the Eagles. I remember, I remember getting
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  back from Mexico, I was at Brandon Sprague's place for like
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  a day right before I went back to school and he showed me some,
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  I don't know if it was some like 30 for 30 looking thing
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  basically on the Legion of Boom that year because I like didn't
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  see any of them. I'm like, Oh, you guys had some
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  insane secondary and they just showed this documentary
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  absolutely glazing this secondary like they were like
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  demons and I watched it and I'm like, oh, they they look pretty
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  good. So I'm like, that's the only
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  thing I've seen of this team was that documentary that was just
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  hyping them up so. That seemed was incredibly good.
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  Anyway, I think we're going with the Eagles.
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  OK, we're one-on-one. OK, the 2016 New England
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  Patriots, who came back against the Falcons down 28 to 3.
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  Eagles. Man, this is the wrong Patriots
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  team to pick unfortunately. You said that they're all going
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  to be Super Bowl winners. The only Patriots team I would
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  pick over this Eagles team is the undefeated team that lost in
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  Super Bowl. Eli Manning as the only one.
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  I thought about putting them on this list, but I stuck with just
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  Super Bowl winners. Yeah, so Eagles.
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  OK, OK, this one's going to be interesting.
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  How many more do we have? 2 The 2017 Philadelphia Eagles
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  who won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles.
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  Oh, I'm thinking this Eagles team over the Eagles team.
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  Yeah, same. I think, yeah, I, I think this
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  team is more well-rounded and I'm sure you've got 1000 stats
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  that proved me wrong in every single way.
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  But I don't think Carson, Carson Wentz was having right.
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  He started the season there, Carson Wentz and he got injured.
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  That's other one. Yeah, he was having an MVP year.
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  He was having an MVP year and I think if Carson Wentz stayed the
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  entire season, I'm probably picking him them over.
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  But the best ability is availability and when you're not
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  available. Their team didn't happen to
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  suffer this time and that goes to show for the entire system
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  they have. But I think I'm going to pick
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  this Eagles team over that one. OK, I'm surprised.
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  I'm surprised neither of you said the 17 Eagles because I I
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  just thought that the fact that they won with their backup
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  quarterback says something about that team.
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  I agree, but it says more about the coaching and the system
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  rather than the the dominance of that team in my opinion.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm going with the current one.
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  OK, last one, the 2022 Kansas City Chiefs, who beat the Eagles
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  in the Super Bowl. I'm.
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  Going to go with the Chiefs, which is ridiculous because it
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  was just what two years ago was. I guess they had, they had Hill
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  back then, right? Is he still there?
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  No, this is the first year after Tyree kill.
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  They did not have Tyree kill that year.
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  He missed out on 2 Super Bowls, but at least he was in a warmer
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  city. So that that Chiefs team didn't
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  have 1000 yard rusher, that Chiefs team only had 1000 yard
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  receiver and that was their tight end statistically.
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  I mean, Mahomes through for 5200 yards that year and 41
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  touchdowns, I mean, that's really good.
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  I might say this current, I'm going to say this current one,
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  the current Eagles team. I think I think I like this
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  current eagles team better than I think they have more pieces
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  you have to watch out for both on offense and defense than that
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  team did. I think that the Tyree kill
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  chiefs team maybe maybe more questionable there, but I maybe
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  Saquon has a point. This Eagle seems really good and
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  we're taking them for granted. You guys have said the Eagles on
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  five of the team so far, so yeah.
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  Well, wait, let me let me ask follow up question.
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  The 19 Chiefs, the 2022 Chiefs or the 2023 Chiefs, would you
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  put either of those three teams above the Eagles?
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  The first one beat the Niners 31 to 20.
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  We just talked about the second one and then the other one beat
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  the Niners 25 to 22 in overtime. I would put the 19 Chiefs over.
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  They came back in that game. Yeah, they should have lost that
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  game. Except is that Garoppolo right?
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  Who overthrew What's his face? It's very end.
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  The Niners were looking scary that year.
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  Yeah, Niners were good that year.
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  Finally. A year that they didn't have
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  their entire defensive or offensive running back team
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  destroyed by injury. Travis Kelsey, Tyree Hill, Damon
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  Williams, Sammy Watkins, Lashawn McCoy, Nicole Hardman.
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  Good golly, that team was stacked.
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  D Anthony Thomas, Can't forget about him.
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  He was on the team too. You.
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  Remember when they brought him, like when he was in Oregon,
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  dude, they treated him like he was some vintage 60s like
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  Corvette that they would like, like from Ferris Bueller's Day
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  Off. They like, you know, like make
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  sure he's OK and they bring him out.
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  I think the Rose Bowl, he had like 3 catches for 160 yards and
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  two touchdowns and it was like that was all he played because
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  he was so small and fragile that they were worried he was going
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  to get hurt. And then he went to the NFL on
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  Untarnished and still just never really they keep treating him
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  like that. Bummer.
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  I've taken him since 2019. Chiefs over this Disney Eagles
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  team. All I'm taking away from this is
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  that Saquon had a little bit more reason behind that than I
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  initially thought. Yeah, I I can agree with that.
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  So. OK, so I got asked the question
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  now, do you guys think that the 2024 Eagles are a top five team
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  because that's only that's only 10 teams that that we talked
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  about, but you guys listed you both agreed on the Eagles on
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  five teams and you were split on three others.
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  I I don't know if I'm willing to say they are, but I think they
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  have a serious argument to be. Yeah, OK.
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  Let me ask you guys. Before the Super Bowl, I'd say
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  before the playoffs, what were your thoughts on the Eagles?
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  Not once that I ever thought they were top five team.
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  That's because that's what I'm thinking.
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  So part of this is like, I mean, if the Lions, let's say the
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  Lions won out, are they top five?
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  Because part of it is like, you could look at the whole body of
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  work, but then you could also look at, oh, shoot, they won the
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  Super Bowl where it's like sometimes that, you know, it can
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  go either way. Not as much as basketball.
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  There's no reference. But with this, I'm like, because
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  I the Lions seem like the real deal.
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  If the Lions kept going, like because of the kind of the way
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  that people were looking at them throughout the regular season, I
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  feel like they could have made that argument.
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  Unfortunately, they lost. So it's like with the Eagles, if
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  they lost, you know, in the conference final, like, is that
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  even? Are they even like, I don't
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  know, I guess part of me is just wondering if it all just comes
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  down to their performance in the Super Bowl.
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  I think it's huge part of it though, truly.
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  Interesting. Well the Dallas Cowboy in me
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  wanted to prove him wrong but I guess it ended up proving me
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  wrong and said. It's a compelling argument,
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  truly. Like he he said it probably just
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  saying it, but I think that's a fairpoint.
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  OK, interesting. All right, well let's get on to
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  our first official topic. So last week we were talking
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  about 2024 playoff teams who would miss the playoffs and 2024
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  non playoff teams who would make the playoffs.
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  And during that discussion, Avery asked the question if
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  there had ever been a team that had had three teams in the same
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  division make the playoffs, that had had three teams make the
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  playoffs the following year as well.
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  So I looked it up and the answer is yes, there has been.
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  I went back to 2002 for this stat.
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  And the reason I did 2002 is because that was the first year
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  that the NFL had four divisions in each conference where there
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  was four teams in each division. So there was a realignment that
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  year of the divisions because the Houston Texans had joined
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  the league that year. So 2002 was the first year the
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  Texans were in the NFL. So since 2002 there have been 13
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  total divisions that have had three teams in the playoffs.
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  However, there's only been one division that has ever done it
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  in back-to-back years, which is the NFC East in 2006 and 2007.
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  So something interesting with this is even though they had
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  three teams in the playoffs in back-to-back years, it was not
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  the same three teams. So in 2006 they had the Eagles,
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  Cowboys and Giants make it. In 2007, they had the Cowboys,
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  Giants and Commanders make it. Redskins, but yeah.
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  I mean, it wasn't, it was the. Reds game.
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  Yeah, it. Wasn't commanders back then all?
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  Right. So what we're going to do today
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  is we are going to go through the 8 divisions in the NFL and
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  we're going to rank them one through 8 based on how likely
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  they are to have three teams make the playoffs in 2025.
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  So I want to read you guys a couple stats before we get
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  started because they might sway your, your thinking here coming
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  in. So some notable stats.
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  There are three teams in the entire NFL who have made the
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  playoffs for the last five years, every single year for at
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  least the last five years. The Chiefs have made it for the
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  last 10 years, the Bills have made it for the last six years,
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  and the Buccaneers have made it for the last five years.
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  Every other team has missed the playoffs at least one time in
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  the last five years. Then there's a stat here that's
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  over the last 35 years. So going back to 1990, there has
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  been an average of 5.8 new teams in the playoffs compared to the
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  prior year every single year. And last year there was 4 new
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  teams in the playoffs, meaning that for the last 35 years there
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  has been at least 4 new playoff teams in the playoffs every
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  single year. So I don't know if that that
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  sways any of your guys's thinking at all, but it does
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  prove that it is extremely hard to repeat success year after
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  year in the NFL. So it doesn't necessarily mean
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  that just because division had three teams in the playoffs last
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  year that it's going to happen again this year.
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  I wonder how well those new teams do because I'm thinking
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  like soccer relegation where you know, if you you're the worst in
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  your league, you drop down to the next lower league and if
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  you're the best in that lower league, you raise up.
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  But it's got to be one of those things where those teams that
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  are right on the cusp and keep, you know, going up and down, I
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  would imagine that they're just bouncing around for a while.
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  So I wonder what those like 4 to 5 teams that come in, if that's
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  just a oh, we barely made it this year and then the next year
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  they get dropped down and another team goes up.
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  But you have, you know, cuz you mentioned like the Bills and the
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  Chiefs that are up there. But just because you know,
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  there's only, I think you said like 3 teams that have made it,
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  you know, you know, in the past five years.
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  That doesn't mean that there's not other teams that were like,
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  oh, we're really good. But we might have missed it one
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  year, but then we're right back in at the next year cuz we had,
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  you know, our quarterback get hurt or something.
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  I just, I guess I just wonder cuz what that would implicate is
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  like how important is making the playoffs to you?
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  Cuz if you're a team that hasn't made the playoffs in a while and
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  you can just barely make it in, does that like hurt you because
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  you just lost, you got a worst draft position and now you're
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  kind of still in that little middle Rd. area?
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  Or if the some of those new teams actually pose a threat to
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  the reigning establishment, you know, dynasties.
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  Well, I think the Eagles would be a good a good team to that
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  point, Avery is. They haven't made it to the
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  playoffs in each of the last five seasons, but they've been
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  to two Super Bowls in the last three years.
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  No. Let's bring a point.
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  And then just one more stat before we start ranking the
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  divisions. So I just want to go through
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  each of the divisions and tell you how many times each division
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  has had three teams make the playoffs.
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  So the AFC North has done it four times, the AFC West has
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  done it two times, the AFC S has done it once, and the AFC East
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  has never done it. The NFC East has done it three
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  times, the NFC West once, NFC South once and NFC North once.
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  So with that Will why don't you pick a division to start us off
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  here? And #8 and this is a real, real
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  toss up. I, I debated this one for a
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  while, probably more than I debated my number one spot.
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  I have the AFC S. The AFC S has just been bad for
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  a lot of years. And I don't just mean all of
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  them because somebody has to make the playoffs by default.
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  The AFC is such an absolute juggernaut.
• 20:45
  Yeah, I think they have the lowest probability with the
• 20:48
  Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Titans to make three teams in the
• 20:52
  playoffs. I can agree with that.
• 20:54
  What do you think, Avery? I'm.
• 20:58
  I mean, who are you debating it with?
• 20:59
  I'm for me, it's probably the AFC East that was the one that
• 21:04
  hadn't ever made it right. Yeah, they've never done it, but
• 21:07
  I actually have, I actually have a case to make for the AFC East.
• 21:10
  I have the AFC East of my sixth spot.
• 21:11
  They're not even in my 7th spot. I'd actually like to hear Joel's
• 21:14
  reasoning for that, because that might influence me and I love to
• 21:17
  be influenced. OK, so OK, so to the AFC East.
• 21:23
  So we got the Bills, right? The Bills are in the Dolphins.
• 21:25
  They've made the playoffs 2 of the last three years.
• 21:27
  Really, it rests on Tua and his health.
• 21:31
  Absolutely. He's missed 10 games over the
• 21:33
  last three seasons he played. He played 17 games in one of
• 21:36
  those seasons, but his lowest passer rating in in full year
• 21:41
  that he's played over the last three years is 101.1.
• 21:46
  So he is actually a very good quarterback.
• 21:48
  Their defense last year was a top 10 scoring defense.
• 21:51
  So if 2 is on the field the entire season with a rating
• 21:55
  that's above 100 and a top 10 scoring defense, I can see the
• 21:59
  the Dolphins making the playoffs.
• 22:00
  Now really this case rests on how you guys feel about the
• 22:03
  Patriots because The Jets aren't making it.
• 22:04
  The Jets haven't made the playoffs since 2010.
• 22:08
  So it really depends on how you guys feel about the Patriots and
• 22:12
  what they've done this offseason to put around to build around
• 22:15
  their Pro Bowl quarterback Drake May.
• 22:17
  I hate that so much. It's accurate, but I hate it.
• 22:23
  I like the patriots moves. I just don't.
• 22:26
  I like Drake. I love Drake May, but I, I don't
• 22:29
  know how I I don't think they're going to make the playoffs.
• 22:33
  Now, I'm not making a case to to put the AFC East at the top.
• 22:37
  Right I'm. Just I'm just making a case.
• 22:39
  Just. Just above.
• 22:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:42
  And that, that right there is why I have them in the sixth
• 22:44
  spot, not the seven or eight. I can see.
• 22:46
  I don't want to have the seven is.
• 22:48
  Yeah, who's your seven Will? I have the NFC South.
• 22:51
  We've got both Souths in seven and eight because there is a
• 22:56
  near statistical 0% possibility that three of these teams
• 23:01
  between the Buccaneers, Falcons, Panthers and Saints make the
• 23:05
  playoffs. This is a division where they
• 23:07
  only had one and they're 1 double digit win team.
• 23:11
  I think there is a possibility that two of these teams make the
• 23:15
  playoffs this year between the Buccaneers and the Falcons.
• 23:18
  They're going to fight for the division where but the Panthers
• 23:20
  are not there yet and the Saints are absolutely, definitely not
• 23:23
  now there. There is no way, in my opinion,
• 23:27
  that the same the NFC South makes three teams in the
• 23:30
  playoffs. Yeah, the Panthers had the worst
• 23:33
  defense by far last year. They were the only team that
• 23:36
  gave up over 30 points a game and then the Saints are just
• 23:40
  over there shucking around. I don't know what they're doing,
• 23:42
  but. Yeah, it is funny 'cause we're
• 23:46
  kind of arguing like, who would get beat down the most?
• 23:50
  Yeah, totally. That's what we're.
• 23:52
  Talking right now, second most. Yeah, Honestly, I, I, I'm kind
• 23:55
  of agreeing with Will. There's obviously no way to ever
• 23:58
  test this or find out 'cause I don't think either any of these
• 24:01
  divisions are going to get three teams, but we're talking about
• 24:04
  just the likelihood. Right.
• 24:07
  And just to put the final Naomi Coffin for the AFC S, that's the
• 24:11
  number 8 spot. This is last year.
• 24:13
  And I, I texted Joe that history doesn't matter.
• 24:16
  It's all about the right now. But for last year, the AFC
• 24:19
  sounds winner, the Houston Texans had a zero point point
• 24:23
  differential, literally 0. And then it goes down from
• 24:27
  there. Nicole had -50 the Jaguars had
• 24:30
  -115 and Titans had a negative 149.
• 24:35
  So the winner had a 0% point differential, which is not as
• 24:38
  bad as the Rams when a -19 points for differential and they
• 24:42
  won a division, but still. The Colts also had a quarterback
• 24:46
  who completed 47.7% of his passes, which is the worst since
• 24:52
  Tim Tebow. Oh.
• 24:54
  I didn't know he did that bad. That team won the playoff game.
• 24:57
  Now Tim Tebow took the Broncos to to the playoffs and won in
• 25:02
  overtime over the steers. Are you saying Anthony
• 25:04
  Richardson's going to go to the playoffs?
• 25:06
  I'm saying there's a chance, really low by a chance.
• 25:11
  OK. I agree with both the South
• 25:13
  teams in the seven and eight spot.
• 25:16
  Yeah, they're terrible. Avery, do you agree?
• 25:19
  Yeah. OK, Yeah, I was influenced.
• 25:23
  All right, so will you have the AFC East as your six?
• 25:26
  Who's your? 55, I have NFC East and boy,
• 25:32
  Howie, is this too high for the NFC East?
• 25:35
  This is too high for them, but they have higher probability
• 25:40
  than the other three we've already talked.
• 25:42
  Yeah, the other three we've already talked about.
• 25:43
  Is this just a dig at the Cowboys not making it?
• 25:47
  No, this is a dig at the NFC East being terrible.
• 25:50
  Two of the three teams are awful right now.
• 25:53
  I think the Giants are going to be competitive, though.
• 25:55
  The Cowboys and Giants, there's no way.
• 25:57
  With their current schedules, you can't.
• 25:59
  You are not going from three and 14 to playoff team.
• 26:02
  It could happen, sure. No, but it's not.
• 26:05
  But it's really just about the Cowboys, right?
• 26:07
  We're talking about Eagles, Commanders, Cowboys.
• 26:09
  I mean, 'cause you only need 3IN, right?
• 26:11
  Like whoever the worst. There's no way, there's no way
• 26:14
  based off of that schedule that the Cowboys are making it in.
• 26:17
  No, Cowboys are five, maybe, maybe six win team next year.
• 26:21
  Oh, you guys are already? I've looked at that schedule.
• 26:24
  I have looked at that schedule a lot in the know with that.
• 26:27
  Yeah, I didn't realize. You guys were several times and
• 26:29
  it's not happening. We're kind of with friends.
• 26:31
  Of course, we're due May in May, about the next season.
• 26:34
  Although, although I will say, I will say this, I, I haven't done
• 26:38
  the actual math on this, so I don't know the actual stat, but
• 26:42
  it seems like every year that everybody thinks the Cowboys are
• 26:45
  going to suck, they're good somehow.
• 26:47
  And every year people think they're going to be good.
• 26:49
  They suck just to throw that out there.
• 26:51
  But I don't see any way with the schedule that the Cowboys are
• 26:53
  making. You did.
• 26:54
  You guys are already at stage five of the five stages of
• 26:58
  denial of whatever grief. Yeah, we've.
• 27:02
  Already. Moved on to 2026.
• 27:03
  I'm accepting this. Already in acceptance, Dang.
• 27:07
  Now the problem is I don't always.
• 27:09
  Do that. So I guess that makes sense.
• 27:11
  The Cowboys are going to do what the Cowboys do and they're going
• 27:13
  to go 7 and 10 again next year, except they're going to get
• 27:18
  picked like 15 or 14 rather than 7 or whatever they had this
• 27:24
  year. And there's going to get 12
• 27:26
  race. They need a couple spots work
• 27:28
  and if it's not, the team's ever get better.
• 27:30
  We're back in the Jerry Jones era.
• 27:31
  Hey, we're back in the Jason Garrett era.
• 27:34
  Joel, I'm gonna make a prediction.
• 27:36
  NFC East. NFC East, this is this is one
• 27:38
  that goes on the board. NFC East gets three teams and
• 27:42
  the Cowboys lose in the first round.
• 27:44
  That's not a. Very old prediction.
• 27:45
  That's a guarantee you Cowboys make play outs.
• 27:48
  You guys, hey, hey, I, I think that's pretty bold considering I
• 27:51
  got 2 Cowboys fans that were already like, no, no shot.
• 27:55
  We don't get three teams and I'm like, the Cowboys are the, are
• 27:57
  the, the linchpin here. That's that's the team you need.
• 27:59
  Like, no. Maybe the maybe the making them
• 28:02
  making the playoffs is a bold prediction, but them losing in
• 28:05
  the first round is not a bold prediction.
• 28:06
  That's just the trend. Well, no, that's just like me
• 28:10
  saying they're not going to win the Super Bowl.
• 28:11
  It's like, well, obviously I say like they're going to lose the
• 28:13
  first playoff game. Like, well, obviously.
• 28:15
  So it's really just about making the playoffs because we know
• 28:17
  they're not going past going past the first round.
• 28:23
  OK. So, OK, so with this discussion
• 28:25
  then, Avery, would you put the NFC East above the AFC East?
• 28:29
  We just did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 28:31
  100 percent, 100%. I would probably flip them but
• 28:35
  since you guys both have them. You you put the AFC East above.
• 28:40
  Oh yeah, I put the the AFC East above the NFC East.
• 28:43
  So you're basically. Saying The Jets are going to be
• 28:47
  better than the Cowboys next year, that's what.
• 28:49
  That's what it sounds like. You said patriots.
• 28:51
  I'm saying the Bills, Dolphins and Patriots are going to be
• 28:54
  better than than the Cowboys. Or you're saying the Patriots
• 28:57
  are gonna, well, I, I guess, I guess all I'm saying is just the
• 29:00
  bottom of the division, the, the, the team that kind of, you
• 29:02
  know, the, the, the, the third team, because that's really what
• 29:05
  we're talking about. You you would basically say that
• 29:07
  the Patriots, the four and 13 Patriots have a better shot at
• 29:11
  making the playoffs than the seven and 10 Cowboys next year.
• 29:15
  Yes. I actually don't necessarily
• 29:18
  disagree with that either. OK, no, I I don't know.
• 29:23
  I'm just that's. Some real Cowboys say here, but.
• 29:27
  I'm fine with with sticking with the AFC East at six if you guys
• 29:30
  are, if you guys want. To.
• 29:33
  OK. All right, and my number four
• 29:34
  slot, so we've got AMC South at 8, NFC South at 7, AMC E at six,
• 29:40
  NFC East at 5 has the first slot.
• 29:43
  I have the NFC West. I've got RAM, Seahawks,
• 29:49
  Cardinals, Niners. Now we're getting into the era
• 29:51
  or to to the range of teams that actually have a shot getting
• 29:56
  three teams into the playoffs. We are, we are there.
• 30:00
  I think if we're going to have anybody, it's going to be Rams,
• 30:02
  Seahawks, Cardinals, Niners still aren't going to make it.
• 30:05
  They're going to be I'm I'm terribly afraid about Brock, but
• 30:09
  he's going to have a hangover season after after hitting his
• 30:12
  gigantic contract, it seems like yeah, he'll either get hurt or
• 30:17
  I. Mean overweight.
• 30:19
  What it feels like happens is that they just get so uptight
• 30:23
  about how much, maybe about how much money they're being paid
• 30:25
  and say, oh, I have to prove myself.
• 30:27
  So inside their own head they get to yeps and it's just
• 30:30
  terrible for them. Yeah, I was going to ask that.
• 30:31
  Like why is it that after every single player gets paid the big
• 30:35
  contract they either get hurt or they just suck?
• 30:38
  It's because the pressure's on now.
• 30:39
  You got all this money, you have to perform, so pressure's on.
• 30:43
  Watch him get the Madden cover and then just get assassinated
• 30:46
  the next week. Do we know who's?
• 30:49
  Sounding curses. Doing over the Madden cover.
• 30:53
  Who is? I don't know, I haven't played
• 30:55
  Madden since like that is. Oh, he's Taquan Barkley jumping
• 30:58
  over that guy backwards. Oh.
• 31:00
  That's actually a. Hell of that's a sick cover.
• 31:03
  That's awesome. That's a really cool photo.
• 31:07
  Does that cement the Eagles being a top five team ever?
• 31:10
  I mean, I asked you, right? Madden cover.
• 31:12
  Gosh. OK.
• 31:13
  It almost looks explicit. I would be so upset if I was.
• 31:17
  I thank goodness they obscured his name.
• 31:20
  The Jaguars player. I don't know who it is, and it's
• 31:23
  probably a good thing. Like 'cause if dude, he's more
• 31:26
  front and center than Saquon is. Almost.
• 31:30
  Yeah. Poor dude.
• 31:33
  Forever remember to say guy who got jumped over backwards.
• 31:35
  It's like getting posterized. It's like, oh that's so
• 31:37
  embarrassing. Like I'm the only one that
• 31:39
  bothered to defend the man. All right.
• 31:44
  I think I'm good with the NFC West at 4th, Yeah.
• 31:47
  I, I don't, I think there's teams that have higher
• 31:48
  probability, but I think they have better than what we've
• 31:52
  talked about, which is why they're ranked where they are.
• 31:54
  Yeah, people better and there are people worse.
• 31:55
  I will say the Seahawks are kind of a question mark to me and the
• 32:00
  49ers are a pretty big question mark to me.
• 32:03
  And the reason I say the Seahawks are a question mark is
• 32:04
  just because of the quarterback situation.
• 32:06
  I agree with that. I don't think Sam Donaldson
• 32:09
  Manier is good and doesn't have the weapons to throw through, to
• 32:12
  throw to. It's like he doesn't have like
• 32:15
  he had in Minnesota last year. So we'll see how that goes.
• 32:18
  Can I guess you're #3 team? You may.
• 32:21
  Or division? Is it the AFC North?
• 32:24
  It is not the AFC North. Is it the West?
• 32:27
  It is not. The West is the NFC.
• 32:32
  North. Wow.
• 32:34
  NFC North with the Lions, Vikings, Packers, and Bears.
• 32:40
  Now, I do think this is currently ranked too high.
• 32:43
  I feel like I have to because the only piece in the Vikings
• 32:46
  that changed was a quarterback, and that is still up for
• 32:49
  debates, right? We don't know anything about JJ
• 32:52
  McCarthy, and the second he sucks, they're going to trade
• 32:55
  for somebody good or pick up Aaron Rodgers or whatever or do
• 33:00
  anything. The Bears have made huge strides
• 33:02
  in the offseason. The Packers continue to be good.
• 33:05
  They had three teams last year. Again, the Vikings quarterback
• 33:08
  changed. So it's a significantly
• 33:10
  different team with just that one piece.
• 33:12
  I don't think there's any way to go 14 and 3 again, but I think
• 33:16
  that the NFC North has a high probability of making three
• 33:20
  teams in the playoffs. I don't know about you guys.
• 33:22
  I'm not entirely sold on the Bears.
• 33:25
  I know they've got a really good offseason, but I just what I did
• 33:29
  is I compared Dan Campbell's first few seasons in Detroit and
• 33:33
  I know the Lions were just really bad.
• 33:36
  When he took. Over but I compared his first
• 33:39
  couple seasons trying to, you know, kind of scope out how Ben
• 33:42
  Johnson's first couple seasons with the Bears are going to go.
• 33:45
  So in his first two seasons with the Lions, so his first season,
• 33:49
  Dan Campbell was went 3:13 and 1:00 and then his second season
• 33:53
  they were 9:00 and 8:00 and they missed the playoffs in both of
• 33:55
  those years. It's only been two years that
• 33:57
  the Lions have actually been really good.
• 33:59
  So it took a couple years for Dan Campbell to build up that
• 34:02
  team. So is Ben Johnson going to be
• 34:05
  able to do it with the Bears right away?
• 34:07
  I don't know. So I'm not entirely sold on the
• 34:10
  Bears. I don't, I'm not saying that
• 34:11
  they're they're not going to make the playoffs.
• 34:13
  I'm not saying that they're going to be the same Bears, but
• 34:15
  it may be it's going to take a little bit of time for Ben
• 34:17
  Johnson to build up that team the same way that it took Dan
• 34:20
  Campbell to build up the Lions. I agree with you.
• 34:23
  I I'm not fully sold to them. I think the Bears have made more
• 34:26
  moves in Ben Johnson's first year than the Lions did and Dan
• 34:30
  Campbell's first year. But the difference is, is that
• 34:34
  just in pure personality, right? I mean, Dan Campbell is a unit
• 34:38
  of a man and he's going to command things to be his way.
• 34:42
  You don't see the same thing from Ben Johnson.
• 34:44
  Not that he's not doing that, but he's not going on interviews
• 34:49
  and press conferences telling everybody's going to bite
• 34:51
  kneecaps and they're man, we're the breath man.
• 34:53
  We're going to be every man. It's just he's he's just a
• 34:56
  different kind of guy. So maybe he's more behind the
• 34:59
  scenes puppet master kind of coach and he's doing everything.
• 35:02
  We just don't see it and that's the way he wants it so.
• 35:05
  One other thing I will say with the Bears is and Ben Johnson,
• 35:09
  when Ben Johnson was with the Lions, again, it took a couple
• 35:12
  years, but in the two seasons of the Lions were really good.
• 35:15
  Ben Johnson had everything he could have possibly wanted on
• 35:18
  that offense. Does he have everything he could
• 35:21
  possibly want on the Bears offense or is there still pieces
• 35:25
  missing? To me, I look at the running
• 35:27
  back position and I say there's still something missing.
• 35:29
  I don't necessarily disagree with that one second, and I will
• 35:33
  disagree with you. Oh, he looks.
• 35:37
  I'm curious, do you guys think that a division has a better
• 35:40
  chance to make it if they have 4 solid teams or three solid teams
• 35:46
  and one absolute clunker? One absolute clunker.
• 35:51
  Agreed. I think you are correct, Joel.
• 35:54
  I think the mayor's running back room leaves things to be
• 35:59
  desired. Like a running back.
• 36:01
  Like a starting running, like a starting premier running back?
• 36:05
  Yes, correct. Like a man who can run with a
• 36:08
  ball. I also think that their
• 36:10
  receiving room leaves some to be desired.
• 36:12
  They have a bunch of new people in at receiver this year,
• 36:17
  whether through draft or undrafted free agent or trade.
• 36:21
  But I'm being less and less sold on this Bears team the more I
• 36:25
  look at it. Yeah, I still think I still, I'm
• 36:29
  standing by the AFC North here. Wait, Nope, AFC North here,
• 36:32
  Wrong side with the Lions, Vikings and Packers.
• 36:36
  I still think the Bears will be the odd team out.
• 36:38
  But I do think that even though the Bears may still be a conquer
• 36:42
  like he was just saying, I think the other three are enough to
• 36:45
  sharpen each other. Well, I don't think the Bears
• 36:47
  are going to be a clunker. That's why I'm not as sold on
• 36:49
  the NFC North. Sure, they're going to wipe each
• 36:52
  other out. Yeah, that and the fact that
• 36:54
  history, I knew you said it doesn't matter, will, but
• 36:56
  history says that it's not going to happen.
• 36:59
  It's only happened once since 2002.
• 37:01
  So history says it's not going to happen.
• 37:02
  And I think the reason for that could be that we don't know what
• 37:06
  the Vikings are going to be and we don't know what the Bears are
• 37:08
  going to be. And if they're both middle of
• 37:10
  the pack teams, they could be knocking each other off.
• 37:13
  You're right. And let me let me disagree with
• 37:16
  that here. The Packers went one and five in
• 37:19
  their division and still made the playoffs.
• 37:22
  So you can you can be a you. Can be a loss to one non
• 37:27
  divisional team. Yes, yeah.
• 37:29
  And that's exactly what I'm saying.
• 37:30
  You can be abysmal in your division.
• 37:32
  They went six and six in their conference.
• 37:34
  So all six losses were division were at NFC teams but one and
• 37:38
  five in their division and they still went 11 and six and made
• 37:41
  the playoffs. So you don't.
• 37:43
  Makes me like this division even less.
• 37:45
  You don't have to be good in your own division.
• 37:47
  That makes me want to move the NFC North down.
• 37:50
  But you have to be exceptional outside of your division.
• 37:53
  You have to win every other game that's.
• 37:55
  Wild. That's wild.
• 37:57
  You're getting incredibly sharpened by your own division
• 38:00
  and so where you take that talent and you beat everybody
• 38:03
  else. Now, obviously that NFC North
• 38:06
  didn't beat everybody else because the Eagles won the Super
• 38:08
  Bowl, but yeah, one in, five in in the division is still made
• 38:12
  the playoffs. I like that place in 3rd.
• 38:15
  I think they have higher probability than most others.
• 38:18
  And yes, even they just did it and statistically it's not going
• 38:20
  to happen. The end.
• 38:21
  I still think it's it's better than I think it's better than
• 38:24
  NFC West, who we have at 4 RAM, Seahawks, Cardinals, Niners.
• 38:28
  I think I'm more sold than the AFC East at this point.
• 38:30
  I think that conversation just talked me completely out of
• 38:32
  this. Really.
• 38:34
  Yeah, completely out of the NFC North.
• 38:36
  That Packer stat right there just talked to me completely out
• 38:39
  of the NSC North. Interesting.
• 38:41
  I don't know. I mean they.
• 38:42
  Were one of two divisions to even have the three teams in.
• 38:45
  But they do seem a little rocky, like you don't really know what
• 38:49
  you're going to get from any of those teams.
• 38:50
  And actually, I mean, you could say the Lions, but like
• 38:53
  statistically, I mean, how likely is it that they do as
• 38:55
  well as they did last season? And it's kind of like with Dak
• 38:59
  and Zeke their first year where it was like, oh, this is going
• 39:02
  to be I'm like guys like statistically that they weren't
• 39:04
  even rookies like that. Those were like, those were like
• 39:07
  first team, you know, guys. So it's like, and then I I
• 39:09
  realize that yeah, every year their stats just kind of.
• 39:13
  Yeah, every year, every year since then, they've looked like
• 39:15
  rookies. Yeah, yeah, OK.
• 39:18
  I'm I'm fine with it though. I just.
• 39:20
  Alright, it can change, that's fine.
• 39:23
  OK, so there were three. You want two or one first?
• 39:27
  I think I already know. Give us 2. #2 I have the AFC
• 39:32
  North of #2 with the Ravens, Bengals, Brown, Steelers and I
• 39:38
  understand I am high on the Steelers and nobody else's.
• 39:42
  Now it's a. Lot riding on it.
• 39:44
  Not a cycle person, loves the Steelers.
• 39:47
  I think I may be a bigger Steelers fan than your
• 39:49
  father-in-law, Jewel, than Megan.
• 39:52
  They all, they have the injuries out there this year.
• 39:55
  I may be higher on them. And my boy Will Howard, who may
• 39:59
  not even be the starting quarterback.
• 40:01
  But it's like Aaron Rodgers, right?
• 40:03
  That team does. Get better.
• 40:05
  It does get better with Aaron Rodgers on that roster.
• 40:08
  And if not, then Mike Tomlin, even though he's in year 100 and
• 40:11
  coaching, has taken rookie quarterbacks before and propped
• 40:15
  him up. And I do believe Ben Roth Spur
• 40:17
  won the Super Bowl in his work here, if I'm not mistaken.
• 40:20
  No, it wasn't. It wasn't his rookie year.
• 40:21
  No rookie quarterbacks ever won the Super Bowl as a starter.
• 40:25
  As a starter. Then it was very early on in his
• 40:29
  career that he won his first Super Bowl.
• 40:32
  I know that's that, 'cause I was, I was wondering if Jaden
• 40:35
  Daniels was going to be the first one to start in the Super
• 40:37
  Bowl. Cause no.
• 40:38
  Rookie No rookie quarterbacks ever started in the Super Bowl.
• 40:41
  So in his first year, Ben Roethlisher's QB record was 13
• 40:45
  and O That's pretty good, right? Played 14 game, played in 14
• 40:48
  games, started 13 of them, went 13 and O That's that's decent.
• 40:52
  Now granted, this team is not near the same as that team that
• 40:56
  they don't have near the weapons.
• 40:57
  I'm not trying to argue that this team has any amount as
• 41:00
  good, but it does prove the fact that coach also that was that
• 41:04
  was built power back then. That wasn't even, that wasn't
• 41:07
  even Tomlin, but that the Steelers can do it.
• 41:10
  And when my Talmud came in, he proved himself to be a good
• 41:14
  coach. I am still leaving this team
• 41:17
  here. The Ravens and Bengals almost
• 41:20
  seemed destined to make the playoffs every year.
• 41:21
  Even though the Bengals didn't make it last year, their defense
• 41:24
  couldn't stop anybody. They had the number one
• 41:27
  quarterback and #1 wide receiver on that team last year and
• 41:30
  they're still there this year. It'll just be about if that they
• 41:33
  can sneak that third team in. And I don't think it's going to
• 41:36
  be the Browns, never going to be the Browns.
• 41:39
  I think the Steelers have potential to do it, too.
• 41:42
  Maybe too high for the AFC North and all other people's opinions,
• 41:45
  but I like it. For me, that division has always
• 41:48
  been an iron sharpens iron division.
• 41:50
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
• 41:53
  OK, so that leaves the AFC West in the number one spot.
• 41:57
  It does. And before we switch the AFC
• 41:59
  West, just as as point of reference, the Browns who got
• 42:02
  three wins, two of them were against the AFC North.
• 42:06
  They are a division that is going to sharpen themselves for
• 42:09
  the future that does live the AFC West, which again goes back
• 42:13
  to our AFC or AFC North conversation with this division.
• 42:17
  Had three teams last year at the playoffs with Chiefs, Broncos,
• 42:21
  see the Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos.
• 42:22
  And the haircut never made it. Haircuts still won't make it
• 42:25
  this year, but. You're not going with Cody's
• 42:28
  prediction? I, I really like the Raiders.
• 42:31
  I really do like the Raiders. I think their ceiling is a wild
• 42:35
  card spot, but I don't think that's real.
• 42:38
  I, I don't think they're actually going to hit their
• 42:39
  ceiling. They were O and six in division
• 42:42
  last year. They did not win a single
• 42:43
  divisional game and that does not bode well for the for the
• 42:46
  next year. Although it's new regime, new
• 42:48
  quarterback, new head coach, new running back, new everything
• 42:53
  except haircut that's the same, but I still think they have the
• 42:56
  highest probability. You know, this conversation
• 42:59
  makes me think that there actually might not be any
• 43:01
  divisions that get three teams. That's kind of what I was
• 43:07
  thinking about while we were talking about this.
• 43:09
  That's why it's most likely not guaranteed.
• 43:12
  Yeah, I think it's a real possibility that there's not any
• 43:15
  divisions that has three teams this year.
• 43:17
  Let's let's make predictions right now.
• 43:20
  If you had to pick one, which division is the one division
• 43:24
  that has three teams to make the playoffs?
• 43:26
  I'm going to go bold. I'm going to go AFC East.
• 43:28
  AFC East. I'm going to I'm going to make a
• 43:30
  bold prediction. Go AFC East.
• 43:32
  There's a one division. There's a bold prediction.
• 43:34
  One division that's never done it.
• 43:36
  So you're saying bills wait? Let me, let me, let me put a,
• 43:39
  let me put an if in there if Tua is healthy all all season.
• 43:45
  Oh, OK, that's fair. Oh, Howard, that's the same
• 43:48
  thing as Will with Will Howard. If they if they don't sign your
• 43:51
  address. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:53
  If. Tour.
• 43:53
  Is. Healthy.
• 43:55
  If Tour is healthy, I'm going with AFC.
• 43:57
  East Avery already made this prediction with the AFC East.
• 44:00
  You doubled down on that bad boy.
• 44:02
  You said the AFC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're
• 44:05
  right. Yeah, I thought.
• 44:06
  I was talking about different deepers like.
• 44:08
  I listen to the show we record currently.
• 44:11
  I don't remember what happened 1/2 hour ago.
• 44:14
  Well, honestly, I would say on in addition to the NFC East,
• 44:18
  honestly, I think I might pull at the AFC North above the AFC
• 44:22
  West simply simply because I, even though I said, I think I
• 44:28
  said in a previous episode that I think the Steelers weren't
• 44:31
  going to make the playoffs. I remember.
• 44:35
  That was last episode. Because you said you you
• 44:37
  specifically said because Will Howard is garbage.
• 44:40
  Yeah. If they get Aaron Rodgers, I
• 44:44
  think they get. I think the NFC North gets 3I
• 44:47
  and I think there's no way to test this, but I think they're
• 44:49
  more probable than the AFC West, mainly because of the Raiders.
• 44:52
  And I have doubts about the Chargers.
• 44:57
  Fair. I think they might not make it.
• 45:00
  And also how? Wild.
• 45:01
  I know we've talked about this before, but the Chiefs with a 59
• 45:04
  point differential. On top.
• 45:09
  Of their division and the other team have like twice as many
• 45:13
  points as they've scored. 15 and 2 was a 59 point win
• 45:17
  differential. Yeah, they really just did not
• 45:19
  care during the regular season. Well, because Avery took both
• 45:22
  the NFC East and NFC North, so that's cool for him.
• 45:25
  I'm glad he did that for me. I will go with the NFC North.
• 45:33
  I will double down with this NFC North.
• 45:35
  I don't know what's happening with the Vikings, but I think a
• 45:38
  pitch could easily be made for a veteran quarterback even.
• 45:43
  Oh, I don't know how I feel about this, but I'll say it
• 45:45
  anyway. Even if they traded with the
• 45:47
  Panthers for like Andy Dalton or somebody who has proved
• 45:50
  themselves as a good enough quarterback, you're not looking
• 45:53
  for a good quarterback. You're looking for a good enough
• 45:55
  quarterback. And not that JJ McCarthy is not
• 45:58
  that, but the team that the Vikings currently have.
• 46:00
  Just somebody to do enough. That's what Sam Darnold was last
• 46:04
  year and enough got into 14 and 3 and got some real leaders on
• 46:07
  that team. So you don't even need like, you
• 46:10
  don't even need like the chief head guy to come in there and be
• 46:13
  the guy because you got Harrison Smith coming to his 14th season
• 46:17
  leading your defense. You've got Justin Jefferson who
• 46:19
  has that locker room whipped into shape.
• 46:21
  I'm sure with the way he just is, he demands excellence for
• 46:25
  everybody. And so I I think that a good
• 46:27
  enough quarterback can come into the Vikings.
• 46:29
  And then and then the Packers have consistently gotten better
• 46:32
  year after year with Jordan Love.
• 46:33
  I don't think the Lions are really going that far down.
• 46:37
  I'm going to go NFC North. And you're going with the
• 46:40
  Vikings, not the Bears. I am going Vikings or Lions,
• 46:44
  Packers and then Vikings. I like that nobody.
• 46:47
  Wanted to pick the AFC. South.
• 46:48
  No, I will not be surprised if not one single team had ten wins
• 46:54
  in that division in either of the Souths.
• 46:56
  I think the NFC South winner is going to be have a losing record
• 46:58
  this year. Is that going on spreadsheet?
• 47:01
  Sure. Yeah.
• 47:02
  Spread me open, Daddy. OK.
• 47:05
  So let's get on to our our last topic here.
• 47:08
  So it was recently announced that NFL players will be allowed
• 47:12
  to participate in the Olympics. And So what we're going to do is
• 47:15
  we're going to build an Olympic roster with just NFL players
• 47:20
  because there's no, I guess there's no guarantee that NFL
• 47:23
  players will fill every spot on the roster, but we're going to
• 47:26
  build a roster with just NFL players.
• 47:29
  So just a breakdown of the positions here.
• 47:31
  So there it's five on five for Olympic flag football.
• 47:35
  The positions on offense are quarterback, running back, slash
• 47:39
  receiver. So there's 3 running back slash
• 47:41
  receivers, I guess, and then a center who can be anybody
• 47:45
  because the center can go out for a pass.
• 47:47
  And then on defense, you have a designated rusher and then four
• 47:50
  secondary players if you want to just break that up into two
• 47:52
  corners and two safeties. So a couple things to know with
• 47:55
  the Olympic flag football rules. So there's 220 minute halves.
• 47:59
  They're playing on a field that is 70 yards by 25 yards, but
• 48:03
  twenty of those 70 yards are the end zone, so 10 for each end
• 48:07
  zone. So it's actually a 50 yard
• 48:09
  field. But the rules how this is set up
• 48:12
  right now is you can only have one player from every NFL team
• 48:16
  to be on the Olympic roster. We're going to go through and
• 48:20
  we're going to pick our ideal guy for each spot.
• 48:22
  So we're just going to go around, we're going to each pick
• 48:24
  a guy and then we're going to decide on one guy to fill that
• 48:27
  spot. So Avery, we'll start with you.
• 48:30
  You can pick whatever position you want to start with and let
• 48:33
  us know who your ideal guy for that position would be.
• 48:35
  I'm. Going to go with quarterback.
• 48:37
  I'm going to and I, I don't even know how I feel about this.
• 48:41
  I'm actually very curious to hear what you guys feel about
• 48:43
  this. I like Jaden Daniels for the
• 48:45
  quarterback. Part of my criteria for this was
• 48:48
  like, who's young and spry? Yeah.
• 48:52
  Oh. My I'll bet Ted Johnson would
• 48:54
  crush in this. Oh yeah, you got to keep in mind
• 48:59
  too that it's three years down the road, so these players are
• 49:02
  going to be 3 years older by the time they would make this
• 49:04
  roster. So that's true.
• 49:06
  Jaden Daniels would only be 27 at the time for the most.
• 49:09
  Part I was just looking at like the youngest players and who's
• 49:11
  just fast, who's quick I. I put Lamar Jackson down, but I
• 49:17
  think Jane Daniels, because of age, is actually a better pick.
• 49:20
  Yeah. Lamar's going to be 31.
• 49:22
  Yeah. So, I mean, they're both great.
• 49:24
  Lamar would have been. My second choice but.
• 49:25
  Another rule to keep in mind with the quarterbacks, a
• 49:28
  quarterback can only run past the line of scrimmage after
• 49:31
  handing the ball off and receiving a lateral pass.
• 49:35
  So you cannot just take off and run.
• 49:38
  But you do have to be able to escape your rusher who is going
• 49:42
  to start 7 yards away from you and he's just going to basically
• 49:45
  have a free rush. All he has to do is just go
• 49:47
  around the center who's just snapping the ball.
• 49:49
  So you still have to be able to move.
• 49:50
  You can't just stand there and throw the ball so real quick
• 49:53
  logistically. The way to get around that is
• 49:57
  you hike the ball, you snap the ball to your running back and
• 50:01
  the running back pitches it backwards to your quarterback
• 50:03
  and your quarterback can throw it or run it either way.
• 50:07
  So that is easily gone around. But you're not wrong that that
• 50:11
  guy has to be able to get get around and move and still throw
• 50:13
  the ball because by the time if you if your running back.
• 50:16
  Gets it first and then you're doing the lateral.
• 50:19
  How far is that rusher? Like how, how far is he going
• 50:22
  to? Is he going to be 3 yards away
• 50:24
  from you, one yard away from you?
• 50:25
  Depends on how fast he is. So yes, you still got to account
• 50:29
  for that. If that's what you're going to
• 50:30
  do to to right off the bat to start the play, yes.
• 50:33
  So it sounds like we're all in agreeance on Jane Daniels for
• 50:35
  quarterback. Yeah, cool.
• 50:38
  All right, will give us pick whatever position.
• 50:41
  That's left and give us your guy.
• 50:43
  Everyone was supposed to keep moving down the list, right?
• 50:44
  Running back? I'm going Devon Acne from Miami.
• 50:49
  I don't think that's how you say his last name.
• 50:50
  I do not care. A cane, A chain.
• 50:53
  Whatever it is, the Miami, the Miami running back, we know who
• 50:57
  I'm talking about. He is 20, 425, something like
• 51:03
  that. That is also who I picked, just
• 51:06
  for the record. Oh cool, I did something right.
• 51:09
  Except prancing his name. Let's see.
• 51:11
  He's 23 currently in. My bad.
• 51:12
  So in three years, he'll be 26. He had the highest receiving
• 51:16
  yards of all the running backs in the in the league last year.
• 51:20
  And that's where they were trying to matter.
• 51:21
  Because if flag football, are you really handing the football
• 51:23
  off or are you going to throw it to your running back?
• 51:26
  Yeah, I agree. Avery, did you have?
• 51:28
  Did you have the same guy or you have somebody else?
• 51:30
  Nope, same guy. No, I didn't.
• 51:33
  I didn't have. Acne.
• 51:36
  Oh, who did you have? Well, what I mean, it's not
• 51:39
  like. I have a specific spot, but I
• 51:41
  mean, I have someone else that could have filled that position.
• 51:44
  I had Travis Hunter, I think, I think he would be awesome in
• 51:49
  flag football, I think. And I think you could kind of
• 51:51
  put him anywhere. I think he would be.
• 51:53
  I mean, just maybe just his size, you could put him
• 51:56
  anywhere. I think he'd be great and he'd
• 51:58
  still be very young, the youngest guys out there.
• 52:01
  I have him in my safety spot. I had him as AI, had him as a
• 52:06
  backup. Choice.
• 52:06
  So it sounds like he'll make the.
• 52:08
  List somewhere. Now we got to keep in mind they
• 52:11
  these. NFL guys in three years from
• 52:13
  now, they still have to try out for the team.
• 52:15
  There is currently an NFL or excuse me, and AUSA national
• 52:20
  team for fly football who competes in tournaments and, and
• 52:24
  things like that. Currently, like we have to date
• 52:27
  today, but like this year, they will compete regularly for
• 52:31
  medals and things like that. So they're going to have to go
• 52:33
  in, learn a new game and and try to beat these guys out of their
• 52:39
  current spots. I'm curious.
• 52:41
  This is a little bit of a. Break in the action.
• 52:45
  I've been thinking about this the whole time.
• 52:47
  What is? Because on one hand I'm seeing
• 52:49
  it as like, oh, you have college players that played basketball
• 52:53
  for a long time and then they started losing.
• 52:54
  And so like we'll put in the pros, but it's the still the
• 52:57
  same game. And so it was a translated very
• 52:59
  well. And with this, at first I was
• 53:01
  thinking, oh, these are NFL guys.
• 53:03
  These are the cream of the crop. Of course they'll crush.
• 53:06
  But then I'm like, you know, this is a very different game.
• 53:08
  This isn't, you know, the way that you get in there.
• 53:10
  You're not trying to tackle. You're just it's it's hand eye
• 53:12
  coordination to be able to grab a flag.
• 53:14
  How much do you think the current guys that are already
• 53:19
  basically like, you know, great at this flag football game?
• 53:22
  Do you think it's likely that the NFL players completely
• 53:26
  overtake them, or do you think that they're skill sets that
• 53:29
  these guys have that would actually actually beat out NFL
• 53:33
  players? There are skill sets that these
• 53:35
  guys have. That will beat out NFL players,
• 53:38
  but on the flip side, I think that they will take the NFL
• 53:41
  players over the current roster due to publicity, money and
• 53:46
  publicity. It is in LA, it's, it's similar
• 53:49
  games, LA 28. So it's in America.
• 53:53
  We've got America's American football everything that's that
• 53:57
  you know, they're, they're going to put the biggest and brightest
• 54:00
  NFL stars on the field for flag football.
• 54:03
  And the problem is, is that they're going to get beat
• 54:06
  because the rest of the world doesn't give a RIP about that.
• 54:09
  And they just want to win gold and they don't care.
• 54:12
  Whereas basketball, your game translates a lot.
• 54:15
  The NBA guys have to learn a new game because it's it's it's kind
• 54:18
  of different with a different rule set and the goaltending
• 54:21
  this this is a whole new sport. If if we're really looking.
• 54:24
  At it, This isn't even really football anymore.
• 54:26
  I mean, you've gone to a whole. It's a whole different thing.
• 54:29
  There's so many new rules that they're going to have to learn
• 54:31
  and. Try to to do to anything with
• 54:36
  they're going to have to use a fly football coach.
• 54:39
  I can't imagine a NFL coach is going to give up their summer
• 54:43
  for their team to go learn a new game on how to coach flag
• 54:47
  football, learn how to coach flag football, and then try to
• 54:50
  deal with all these different NFL personalities.
• 54:52
  It's going to be an interesting experiment, if nothing else.
• 54:55
  OK, so back to the players. So.
• 54:57
  OK. So Avery, are you fine with, I
• 55:00
  believe it's pronounced Devon HN.
• 55:03
  Thanks. Appreciate that.
• 55:04
  I'm cool with that. Yeah.
• 55:05
  At running back OK. So.
• 55:07
  Will, would you want to put Travis under that receiver?
• 55:10
  I don't have him at receiver, but if you.
• 55:12
  Look at the if you look at the national team roster, every
• 55:15
  single person has more than one position.
• 55:17
  It is, it is DB slash wide receiver, it is QE/DB.
• 55:23
  Like every single person has more than one position to their
• 55:25
  name. So I'm, I have no issue with him
• 55:28
  playing both sides. I have no issue with him taking
• 55:31
  a roster spot as receiver. I I just didn't do it, OK,
• 55:35
  Because, yeah, I mean, there's only.
• 55:36
  Ten players, so there's like almost no depth.
• 55:38
  There's there is no depth, right?
• 55:40
  Do you guys want to put in that corner or do you want to?
• 55:42
  Fill. His spot at receiver, I actually
• 55:44
  had him at safety, not corner. I actually I like what will.
• 55:48
  I like safety. Safety.
• 55:49
  OK, we can put him in I. Think his receiver skills.
• 55:53
  Make him a better safety than corner.
• 55:55
  Now he has incredible corner skills, but I think that he is a
• 56:00
  read and react in the open field is going to suit his skill set
• 56:04
  best. OK, we'll put him in a safety.
• 56:07
  All right, so I'm going to go ahead and pick my receiver.
• 56:13
  So my first receiver is Amonra St.
• 56:17
  Brown from the Lions. And the reason why is because.
• 56:20
  He's a guy who? Catches the ball with like very
• 56:25
  close. Yeah, yes, he is.
• 56:27
  There's a guy. He's the guy who plays.
• 56:29
  Football. He goes to his balls.
• 56:31
  Dude out of the. Air.
• 56:33
  He catches the ball very close to the line of.
• 56:35
  Scrimmage and then he just does his work from there.
• 56:39
  So I, I, I do have another guy for a receiver who's a over the
• 56:43
  top type of guy. But I also have Amanra St.
• 56:46
  Brown who's the guy who catches the ball close to the line of
• 56:48
  scrimmage and then goes to work from there because he only
• 56:51
  averages 11.3 yards per catch. But a lot of those catches are
• 56:55
  right at the line of scrimmage or behind the line of scrimmage.
• 56:58
  So I feel like especially with if you have a free rusher who's
• 57:01
  only 7 yards away, if that guy runs a 4344, he's going to be in
• 57:05
  the quarterback's face pretty fast.
• 57:07
  And so you're going to need a guy who's that underneath guy to
• 57:09
  throw to. And I think that's Aman Racine
• 57:11
  Brown. I like that.
• 57:13
  That's cool. Yeah, I didn't even.
• 57:14
  Think of that. That is not what I had for my
• 57:17
  close receiver. But I do like that a lot.
• 57:19
  Who did you pick as your receiver?
• 57:21
  I went a bit. Off script, this guy is not.
• 57:23
  Currently in the NFL, but he will be by the time of the
• 57:27
  Olympics and I went with Jeremiah Smith, Ohio State
• 57:30
  University. He's a big body who catches the
• 57:34
  ball close to the line of scrimmage a lot and just makes
• 57:37
  plays over and over and over again.
• 57:39
  I think he is an incredible talent.
• 57:41
  He will be in the NFL at the time of the Olympics.
• 57:44
  I think that he will be an incredible asset.
• 57:47
  Now, I don't know what team he's going to play for.
• 57:49
  And so that's the only like caveat here.
• 57:50
  But Jeremiah Smith's, who I had is my slot, I guess, receiver.
• 57:55
  OK. Do you want to call us that?
• 57:56
  Real quick question. That's not on the subject, just
• 57:58
  you don't have to. Explain why, Just tell me yes or
• 57:59
  no When he goes into the NFL, if he keeps his trend of what he's
• 58:03
  done so far in his first year, would you pick him number one
• 58:06
  overall? No.
• 58:07
  Yo, so you hate him, yes or no? You can't say anything else, OK?
• 58:10
  Yep. Hate him.
• 58:11
  Hate him. Hate him.
• 58:11
  Hate him. Hey, hey.
• 58:12
  Hey, hey, hey, double hate entirely.
• 58:16
  I think I would if he continues what he's done.
• 58:19
  I think I would, but OK, so OK, next guy, Avery, who would you
• 58:22
  pick? Who would you pick as our second
• 58:24
  receiver? I think there are better
• 58:26
  choices. I was looking at Jamar Chase.
• 58:30
  I really wanted Jamar Chase, but for flag I'm going Tes Johnson.
• 58:35
  Going Tes Johnson that that boy is slippery.
• 58:39
  I think he's got that lateral movement speed.
• 58:41
  Also honorable mention. This is kind of will.
• 58:46
  It kind of made me think about it.
• 58:48
  Ryan Williams out of Alabama. OK yeah, that would be an
• 58:52
  interesting one too. He's got a little bit of that
• 58:54
  Tez body, but of course he's, you know, kids 18 and that's The
• 58:57
  thing is that these small framed.
• 58:59
  Guys are perfect for flag football.
• 59:01
  Yeah, that's true. They're perfect.
• 59:03
  I actually. Didn't think about that.
• 59:05
  If it was. 20 years ago I'd be saying Darren.
• 59:07
  Sprobes. If it was 10 years ago, I would
• 59:09
  have said Ryan Switzer. I would have.
• 59:12
  I don't think most people even know who Ryan Switzer is besides
• 59:14
  me. And you, Avery, I know.
• 59:18
  Will. Do you want to go TES, will, or
• 59:19
  do you have somebody else? I like TES a lot, especially if
• 59:22
  we were to go. And really you don't need an oh,
• 59:26
  and it feels not big enough for an over the top receiver.
• 59:28
  That's the only thing I'm hung up on.
• 59:31
  We're 25 yards wide. I do have Jamar Chase that needs
• 59:34
  to be 28, maybe 29 at the time of Olympics.
• 59:36
  So he's not really that old. He's 6 foot fast, can jump, can
• 59:40
  do all the things. I also started to rat in my
• 59:42
  brain. And what basketball players
• 59:43
  would want to do this? If we want a big body, let's get
• 59:46
  Shaq out there. You take 25 steps down the
• 59:49
  field, you just reach that big old pop and you just catch the
• 59:52
  football pal. You don't need any yards after
• 59:55
  they catch. I don't need you to move
• 59:57
  anywhere. Well, let me throw this name in.
• 59:59
  Then. Let me throw this name.
• 1:00:00
  In then Brian Thomas junior 64205 had a great rookie season
• 1:00:04
  with the Jaguars yeah absolutely yes but like.
• 1:00:08
  My first thought was Victor Women.
• 1:00:10
  That's what I was about to say. He's not.
• 1:00:13
  He wouldn't play for the American football team.
• 1:00:16
  Could you, I mean I, I guess. I just don't know the different.
• 1:00:19
  Exploits in flag football. But I mean, if you just put in a
• 1:00:22
  76 dude and put him out, I mean, you can't tackle him.
• 1:00:25
  Like is there a way to stop that?
• 1:00:28
  No, there's not. There's not.
• 1:00:30
  Because at that point, like, why do you even?
• 1:00:32
  You just need. Tall guys that can catch?
• 1:00:34
  I'm just wondering if there's a way to counter that.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah, speed, right? So like, speed's going.
• 1:00:39
  To win out over a week, but I mean, as long as you've got
• 1:00:42
  enough blockers or enough. Time.
• 1:00:44
  If the guy gets out there, there's no time.
• 1:00:45
  That's the thing. So there's no time.
• 1:00:47
  Because you have 7 yards. That the rusher.
• 1:00:50
  Is 7 yards off of you and he's coming immediately.
• 1:00:53
  Giannis. Giannis.
• 1:00:56
  Again, dude, not. Giannis, for your center, for
• 1:00:59
  sure we can do that. We can build myself.
• 1:01:01
  I meant for receiver. We can build the well, I'll go
• 1:01:06
  back to why Yannis will be your center.
• 1:01:08
  We could build the best basketball, fly football,
• 1:01:10
  rafter. They want to.
• 1:01:12
  That's what they're going to do now.
• 1:01:13
  They're going to play for weapon.
• 1:01:14
  Is going to go play for France and go play for Greece and
• 1:01:18
  they're going to beat USA. That's what I said.
• 1:01:24
  It's not going to play for the American team.
• 1:01:26
  That's the thing I have not checked at all.
• 1:01:28
  Is, is origin of birth on these guys?
• 1:01:31
  If they would want to play for a different national team, they're
• 1:01:32
  not allowed to play. Sorry, can't do it.
• 1:01:34
  No way for players. Yeah, all right.
• 1:01:36
  Are are we going to with Tez? Are we going with Tez?
• 1:01:38
  I like Tez a lot. I didn't even think about Tez.
• 1:01:41
  But I like Tez a lot. The only other guy that I.
• 1:01:44
  Considered was Xavier worthy because he's a small, very fast
• 1:01:47
  guy. I like Justin Jefferson a lot
• 1:01:49
  too, but. Age is going to be a problem as
• 1:01:51
  you as you do three years from now, age is going to be an
• 1:01:53
  issue. It'd be like what, 29/8?
• 1:01:56
  That's too old. Sorry.
• 1:01:57
  Can't do it. Can't.
• 1:01:59
  We got one. But yeah, I'm, I'm OK with Tez
• 1:02:01
  though, all right? Will give us your center.
• 1:02:04
  I have Harold Fannin Junior. At center, because remember, the
• 1:02:09
  center can go out and catch the ball.
• 1:02:10
  Harold Fannon Junior is 6 foot three.
• 1:02:12
  That dude catches. He's shifty.
• 1:02:14
  He's a big body who's going to be able to stay in the block.
• 1:02:17
  64230 He's going to be able to stay in and block your rusher if
• 1:02:21
  he needs to. But he's also got hands out of
• 1:02:23
  this world and can move after the catch.
• 1:02:26
  Harold Fannon junior, what about you, Avery?
• 1:02:29
  That's who I had. Really.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:02:32
  I had Brock Bowers, that would be good too.
• 1:02:35
  He's he's 642. 30 runs A45. But I'm OK with fan and I think
• 1:02:39
  that's a good pick. I like it actually, that we're
• 1:02:41
  not picking just the best players for every position.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, because we haven't. At all.
• 1:02:49
  OK, so on the. Defense, I'll start.
• 1:02:51
  With the rusher I picked, Micah Parsons.
• 1:02:54
  Same, damn it. Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  He. He.
• 1:02:58
  Runs a. 43940 I mean, who else are you going to get that?
• 1:03:01
  That's that, that's that is truly the only name I've ever.
• 1:03:04
  Seen thrown around for the rusher for the US flag football
• 1:03:07
  team is Michael Parsons. I'm like, yeah, I don't even
• 1:03:10
  know who else I would want out there doing it.
• 1:03:13
  And that, that is right up, Michael.
• 1:03:16
  Parsons Alley, too. Attention media, that.
• 1:03:21
  Whole type of. Thing yes, that is right up his
• 1:03:24
  alley. So it sounds like we're all in
• 1:03:26
  agreement on on Micah Parsons. All right, who would you pick at
• 1:03:32
  corner Avery. I like Cooper to Jean.
• 1:03:37
  I consider that might be that might be recency bias though.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, I did not write his name down, but I.
• 1:03:42
  Really, really considered it. I did consider it.
• 1:03:48
  Can I just throw this out just as a?
• 1:03:51
  As a rule for the secondary is you know it does matter if you
• 1:03:57
  get turnovers in flag football because if you get a turnover on
• 1:04:02
  downs you're often starts at their own 5 yard line versus if
• 1:04:06
  you get an interception, you're starting where you get the ball,
• 1:04:08
  like where you're down. So that does matter to.
• 1:04:12
  Get turnovers. So just to throw that out there
• 1:04:15
  for the secondary will, who did you pick?
• 1:04:18
  I. Had.
• 1:04:19
  Pass retained as my first. Corner.
• 1:04:21
  That's what I picked as well. He's the front runner.
• 1:04:23
  For it right now. His his ball skills, his his man
• 1:04:28
  to man coverage. I feel it's going to be huge and
• 1:04:29
  flying football. You're only 25 yards wide, sure,
• 1:04:33
  but there's been still going to be a lot of openings and for
• 1:04:35
  especially for quick movement. So you need guys who are going
• 1:04:37
  to come up, press cover hard and and then move on.
• 1:04:40
  If again, if this were 20 years ago, Champ Bailey would be top
• 1:04:43
  of my list no doubt, but same team.
• 1:04:46
  Different era. Pass Retain.
• 1:04:48
  Yeah, I I really think we should put him.
• 1:04:51
  On the team, if you're cool with that, Avery, I mean, I don't I'm
• 1:04:54
  not ruling out Des gene for the second corner spot at all, but I
• 1:04:57
  think that you got to have a shutdown guy in the secondary
• 1:05:00
  and I think it's it's him for my second corner.
• 1:05:05
  I picked Derek Stingley junior. Holy cow.
• 1:05:11
  And the reason? Why is the turnover?
• 1:05:13
  Thing So in the last two seasons he has had 10 interceptions, 5
• 1:05:17
  in each year. And again, those matter because
• 1:05:21
  if you get the turnover on downs, your offense is at the
• 1:05:23
  five yard line versus wherever you're down after getting an
• 1:05:26
  interception. So not only is he one of the
• 1:05:28
  best corners in the NFL right now, he gets a lot of turnovers.
• 1:05:33
  So that's why I picked him. What do you think will I went
• 1:05:36
  with sauce? He has of his man coverage
• 1:05:37
  ability. And his turnover rates?
• 1:05:39
  Not as high as it used to be. And three years from now, he'll
• 1:05:41
  be even older. I'm here with him not being
• 1:05:43
  there. I just kind of defaulted to him
• 1:05:45
  because I was just thinking about man coverage corners, but
• 1:05:47
  I I'm good with him not being there.
• 1:05:49
  OK, so the question is. Then it sounds like with Corner,
• 1:05:53
  we're down to Cooper, to Jean and Derek Stingley.
• 1:05:56
  Junior Avery, did you have Stingley as one of you guys as
• 1:05:59
  well or? Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  So my other choice was Troy Palamalu.
• 1:06:06
  Oh, I'm into. That.
• 1:06:10
  If again, again, if this were 20 years ago, Ed Reed and Troy
• 1:06:14
  Palabalu as our rushers, not corners, not safeties, as the
• 1:06:18
  rusher, that is what you want. That is the good guy you want.
• 1:06:22
  Absolutely. I mean, if it's not Michael,
• 1:06:25
  Fred Warner's the next guy, right?
• 1:06:27
  He's for sure the next guy up. OK, so we'll break the tie here
• 1:06:31
  on the. Corner, OH.
• 1:06:34
  I don't know. I'm I'm going with Stingley.
• 1:06:37
  I'm not going. Dejean didn't have the turnovers
• 1:06:39
  in the regular season and that that matters.
• 1:06:42
  I'd go with Stingley over to Jean.
• 1:06:44
  I just like. Dejean.
• 1:06:45
  OK, OK. I also like Dejean.
• 1:06:47
  I think he would make a good. Personality on the team, I think
• 1:06:50
  he would be good for the team as a whole.
• 1:06:52
  I'm good with carrying him as an alternate at minimum, but yeah,
• 1:06:56
  I like him. OK.
• 1:06:57
  So we already put Travis Hunter in one of the safety.
• 1:06:59
  Spots so will who would you have as your other safety?
• 1:07:04
  I have Tariq Woollen. 6 foot 4 Tariq Woollen, 6 four, 210 lbs.
• 1:07:12
  That's just what you want back there.
• 1:07:13
  You want a guy who's going to read the ball and has the height
• 1:07:16
  to get over people. He's a really good fit for that.
• 1:07:20
  What about you, Avery? Maxwell, Harrison.
• 1:07:22
  Rookie. Yeah, I like him.
• 1:07:26
  Part of this is just. I think maybe I got a little
• 1:07:29
  caught up in like this is 3 years from now, which is why I
• 1:07:33
  was going with Travis Hunter and Tez.
• 1:07:34
  I was also thinking Quinny and Mitchell, but I didn't want to
• 1:07:38
  go with the Eagles again because I don't know.
• 1:07:40
  I think that wasn't that one of the roles can't go twice the
• 1:07:43
  same team. Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  And I don't think we've done that.
• 1:07:46
  Yet, No, we haven't done that yet.
• 1:07:49
  So I'm going to throw out a couple names.
• 1:07:50
  So we're going to have to pick between these.
• 1:07:52
  I'm going to throw out two names here.
• 1:07:54
  So one guy I considered is Kyle Hamilton, safety for the Ravens
• 1:07:58
  cuz he's 64, he's 225, he's a big safety and so I just think
• 1:08:03
  if you need a guy on your defense who's going to cover the
• 1:08:05
  Wimpin Yamas of flag football, then go Kyle Hamilton.
• 1:08:11
  The other guy I considered, he's actually a coroner, but I
• 1:08:13
  consider him for safety, is Deron Bland for the Dallas
• 1:08:17
  Cowboys. And the reason I picked him is
• 1:08:19
  because he had five interceptions in his first year.
• 1:08:22
  He had nine in his second year. He didn't have any last year,
• 1:08:25
  but he was hurt for majority of the year.
• 1:08:27
  But in his second year when he had 9 interceptions, he broke
• 1:08:30
  the record for most pick sixes in a season in the NFL.
• 1:08:35
  Like tied it or broke it. He broke it.
• 1:08:38
  That's actually impressive, I feel like.
• 1:08:39
  Everyone just ties. Those kind of records, you don't
• 1:08:42
  ever get money. He had five pick sixes which.
• 1:08:46
  Is the most on 9 interceptions. Which is the most?
• 1:08:50
  Sixes in a season. I want to know who The Who the
• 1:08:52
  last quarterback was. To throw him a pick. 6 and
• 1:08:55
  everyone looking at him like dude, why are you throwing the
• 1:08:58
  ball that direction? Oh jeez.
• 1:09:03
  So yeah, we've got. Four guys and we.
• 1:09:05
  Need to pick one the Ron Bland runs A442.
• 1:09:09
  Who else? We got Kyle Hamilton.
• 1:09:11
  Sounds like a NASCAR driver. Kyle Hamilton runs A4. 59 Sorry.
• 1:09:15
  You're out. OK, it's speed wins.
• 1:09:19
  In flight football. OK, speed.
• 1:09:20
  Agility wins in flight. We'll get rid of Hamilton.
• 1:09:23
  Got Quinn Young. Mitchell, right.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah, Quinn Young Mitchell 433 OK.
• 1:09:28
  Moving in the first place. Who was the last guy?
• 1:09:30
  Maxwell Harriston. He was also very fast. 4. 28 SI
• 1:09:34
  and he's a rookie. All right, well, I feel like now
• 1:09:38
  he doesn't have the size 40 time bias, 40 time bias.
• 1:09:42
  For sure. He's only 511 and that does
• 1:09:45
  create, especially if we've got Travis Hunter back there.
• 1:09:48
  You do not have a single person over 6 foot in your Sailor
• 1:09:51
  safety section. That does create an issue, but
• 1:09:54
  the flag football participants currently in the USA roster are
• 1:09:59
  not large humans. So speed wins and flag football
• 1:10:03
  and pure athleticism wins, which is why I tried to center on a
• 1:10:07
  spot. He's fear.
• 1:10:07
  I thought this was going to win out.
• 1:10:09
  So OK, I'm fine with with going with the 40 times.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah, OK, that's well Harriston. So here's our.
• 1:10:16
  Our final roster. Jayden Daniels at quarterback,
• 1:10:20
  Devon at HN at running back. Wide receiver is Amanra St.
• 1:10:25
  Brown and Tez Johnson. We've got Harold Finn and Junior
• 1:10:28
  at center. Our rusher is Micah Parsons.
• 1:10:31
  We've got Pat Surtain and Derek Stingley.
• 1:10:33
  Junior as our corners and Maxwell Hairston and Travis
• 1:10:36
  Hunter as our safeties. Are we winning gold?
• 1:10:39
  I said it's gold, but I'm saying win, yeah, because.
• 1:10:41
  It's not about the. It's not about the.
• 1:10:43
  Popularity. I know zero knowledge about how
• 1:10:46
  flight. Football actually works.
• 1:10:48
  I'm excited to watch that though.
• 1:10:49
  That's going to be fun, yeah. It's going to be a long that's
• 1:10:52
  going to be. As long as the basketball
• 1:10:54
  tournament like it's going to, yeah, games are going to be
• 1:10:57
  happening and you're going to have no idea.
• 1:10:58
  It's going to be like South Sudan versus Kenya, flag
• 1:11:02
  football. And it's like, what is
• 1:11:03
  happening? Who are these people?
• 1:11:06
  Saudi Arabia versus North Korea. Let me ask, does any?
• 1:11:09
  Does any? Other country even stand a
• 1:11:11
  chance here. Yes, I truly think so.
• 1:11:14
  Just like in basketball, you get players from America who won't
• 1:11:19
  make the American team, who will go to back to their homelands
• 1:11:23
  and or national origin teams and they will play for them.
• 1:11:27
  And other countries don't care as much about the big name.
• 1:11:31
  They just want to win. And America definitely cares
• 1:11:34
  about the big name. And so these other teams are
• 1:11:36
  going to have better team chemistry and better
• 1:11:39
  understanding of the way the game works and the nuances in
• 1:11:41
  it. And so that's going to give them
• 1:11:43
  an actual advantage over Team USA.
• 1:11:46
  This this does seem a little bit.
• 1:11:48
  Like a little call back here. The Sprague, I can't remember,
• 1:11:52
  it was racquetball or badminton or something, but they won
• 1:11:56
  nationals. Racquetball, racquetball, they
• 1:12:00
  won nationals, I think. I think it might have gotten a
• 1:12:03
  call. Out on the.
• 1:12:04
  Announcements one morning, but it's one of those things where
• 1:12:07
  it was like it just, it just, it would just came down to like
• 1:12:10
  which school decided to put together a team?
• 1:12:13
  And then which I, I think there was some other dude from Saint
• 1:12:15
  Louis who won like the individual award, but Sprague
• 1:12:18
  won nationals. And I feel like this is one of
• 1:12:20
  those sports where if a country actually just like invests in
• 1:12:25
  this, they can get guys that practice year round and get
• 1:12:30
  really good. It's not like basketball or
• 1:12:32
  something where you've got to know you've got to be the cream
• 1:12:34
  of the crop. Like talent might just win out
• 1:12:36
  regardless of how much you practice.
• 1:12:38
  I mean, because they're basically playing the same
• 1:12:39
  sport, whereas this is like you can get some NFL guys, but like,
• 1:12:43
  realistically, how much time can you get them all together to
• 1:12:46
  practice this? And I think that another country
• 1:12:49
  could get guys that are just dedicated to this to the point
• 1:12:52
  where they've got it just down. So I in that respect, I would be
• 1:12:56
  a little worried. It's really just a bunch of fast
• 1:12:58
  dudes unless you go the tall route, which I'm really curious
• 1:13:01
  to see. All right, well, there you.
• 1:13:04
  Have our our 2028 flag football Olympic roster and that's all we
• 1:13:10
  have time for today on the show. But next week we have Avery's
• 1:13:13
  cousin coming on the show who is a Seahawks fan.
• 1:13:16
  So we're going to talk about the Seahawks, we're going to talk
• 1:13:17
  about the NFC West, and we're going to talk about which
• 1:13:21
  ringless quarterback will be the next one to win a championship.
• 1:13:26
  So stay tuned for that. And as always, don't forget to
• 1:13:29
  keep your balls played with. We'll see you next time.