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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, April 7 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April seven. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Hey, now,
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Speaker 1: the problem with his golf game is that he's staying
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Speaker 1: too close to the ball after he hits it. Jay
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Speaker 1: Peace chaff one of many issues with it, and welcome in.
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Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour. My name is J. P. Shadrick.
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Speaker 1: We've got a busy show ahead as usual. Jaguars analysts.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Logaman joining us. We're about fifteen minutes away from
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Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell, Jaguars defensive coordinator, joining us live in studio.
0:39
Speaker 1: Look at his thoughts about the Jaguars free agency class.
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Speaker 1: A couple of additions. Three additions on defense of the
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Speaker 1: Big three at the start of free agency and what
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Speaker 1: it's been like to kind of craft this defense. And
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Speaker 1: the players come in next week for the off season program,
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Speaker 1: the volunteery part of it, and they don't have a
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Speaker 1: chance to finally to sit down with the players. Will
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Speaker 1: get with Mike Caldwell coming up. Prospect visits are underway.
1:03
Speaker 1: You've seen reports of players around the Jack's facility, and
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Speaker 1: of course we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news
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Speaker 1: around the league. Jeff Logaman joining us. Now, good afternoon
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Speaker 1: to your lives. You a golfer, very rarely and and
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Speaker 1: very poorly. Really, Yes, I see that Tiger Woods is
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Speaker 1: just about completed his round. He's minus one. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: he just birdied sixteen twenty five ft pot place went nuts.
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Speaker 1: And uh, that's been the big watch today because you
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's the walk really for him. He said
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Speaker 1: he can hit all the shots still in his press
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Speaker 1: conferences earlier this week, and so far it's proven out
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Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. That I played golf a lot when
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Speaker 1: I was younger. I don't play anymore for the most part.
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Speaker 1: And but to watch him and to see him what
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Speaker 1: he's doing right now, I mean, wow. Uh, congratulations to
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Speaker 1: him to be able to fight back from the accident
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Speaker 1: that he had, what was it about a year ago,
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Speaker 1: fourteen months ago, fourteen months ago, and to to see
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Speaker 1: him playing in a tournament. Uh, congratulations to him. That's
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Speaker 1: cool stuff. It really is. We'll see other rest of
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Speaker 1: the weekend goes. But the Jaguars things are about to
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Speaker 1: get busy. Prospect visits are underway, the off season program
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Speaker 1: is next week. There was you know, Theo's reports about
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Speaker 1: the draft and what the Jags may or may not do.
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Speaker 1: There that always is happening, so the draft talk will
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Speaker 1: be endless and until it happened, and then of course
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Speaker 1: when it happens, then the next draft talk. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: but then you got grades and then did they do good?
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Speaker 1: You know how their draft class go. Everybody's got to
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Speaker 1: put a grade on it, you know. But until then,
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Speaker 1: you've got to have a thousand mock drafts. And uh,
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Speaker 1: and I think this draft is is kind of interesting
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Speaker 1: from my standpoint is that you know, I only watched
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Speaker 1: the top. Eventually I'll watch the top, you know, fifty
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Speaker 1: seventy five guys something like that first couple of rounds
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Speaker 1: and uh. On a normal draft here, there's usually a
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Speaker 1: out five guys somewhere in that range, could be less,
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Speaker 1: could be a little bit more that usually are at
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Speaker 1: the top of the draft. And you say that that
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Speaker 1: is the elite part of the draft. And do you
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Speaker 1: have that elite five guys in this draft class? I
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Speaker 1: don't think you do. And I think that that makes
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars to be in a position that may be
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Speaker 1: unenviable or not very enviable, because you'd like to be
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Speaker 1: somewhere to where you feel like you're in a position
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Speaker 1: of strength as far as drafting, where you're in a
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Speaker 1: spot that other teams would like to be, and I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that feeling from watching some
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Speaker 1: of these prospects because you know, people have asked me before, Hey,
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Speaker 1: who do you think the top five guys are? And
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Speaker 1: I can tell you JP, I can take about ten guys,
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Speaker 1: maybe about fifteen guys, And honestly, on one day, I'll
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Speaker 1: pull five guys out of that, out of that bag
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Speaker 1: and put them in order, and then ask me again
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Speaker 1: to marrow. I may change my mind because there are
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that are real close, really close.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be really interesting. And I
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Speaker 1: wish it was a draft class because the Jaguars had
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Speaker 1: the first one for all pick. I wish it had
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Speaker 1: a clear cut number one quarterback because if you had that,
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Speaker 1: you would be in the catbird seat like nobody's business.
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Speaker 1: But you're not because that quarterback is not there. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Now does it exist for the fifth pick,
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Speaker 1: the sixth pick, the seventh pick. That maybe where that
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Speaker 1: first quarterback ends up falling too, But nobody's fighting to
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Speaker 1: get to number one. No, Because a lot of people
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Speaker 1: think Hey, look, if I moved to five or six,
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Speaker 1: I might be able to get there. Some people may
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Speaker 1: say they can get that quarterback at seven. You know,
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Speaker 1: this came up on I think the Huddle Up podcast
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Speaker 1: yesterday with Bucky would Josh Allen the Jaguars Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: if he was coming out this year in this group
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Speaker 1: of prospects, would he be the number one pick? Would
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Speaker 1: he be the best player in this draft? He'd be
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Speaker 1: in the conversation, I mean literally, I mean I think
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Speaker 1: that that's what this draft class is. And that was
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, one of those five elite prospects. I think
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Speaker 1: he was right there, right there, and he slipped, remember
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Speaker 1: like it was slipped a little good him And don't
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly why. Okay, um, but the Raiders picked
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Speaker 1: the different guy. They picked Cleveland Farrell And yeah, but
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't understand why that happened. I mean
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Speaker 1: that was that was that Mike's Mayock? Was that John Gruden?
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Speaker 1: I mean, who who knows? But there's absolutely when it happened.
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Speaker 1: Because I had watched the film on both of the guys,
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Speaker 1: Josh and and the whoever the Raiders pick Cleveland Farrell
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Speaker 1: and I went, I can't believe they did that. And
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Speaker 1: I said that on a broadcast with me and frank
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Speaker 1: An Tony and I was like, I can't believe that
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Speaker 1: the Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell. Are you kidding me? What
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Speaker 1: a mistake? And then it pushed Josh Allen down to
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and I was like, this is a no brainer.
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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that if you asked the people
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Speaker 1: that were in that room and got the truth that
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Speaker 1: they felt that there was no way that Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: would have been available to them at that spot, but
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Speaker 1: he was. Would he be discussion, Absolutely, he'd be in
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Speaker 1: the discussion at first overall pick just because of his
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Speaker 1: his verse at time. He's Aidan Hutchinson. I mean, Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen when he was at Kentucky was an Aidan Hudchson.
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Speaker 1: The only thing I think that that may have may
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Speaker 1: may give Aidan Hutchinson a little bit of the lead
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Speaker 1: over a Josh Allen if they were in the same
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Speaker 1: draft class right now, might be that Aidan Hushingson Hutchinson
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Speaker 1: played at Michigan or plays at Michigan, and Josh was
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Speaker 1: at Kentucky now not Kentucky is not Eastern Kentucky or
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Speaker 1: Western Central Kentucky SEC school, and they had a fantastic
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Speaker 1: year that year. They were on TV a lot, like
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Speaker 1: the National Game a lot. I mean, they were out there.
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Speaker 1: He was the SEC defensive Player of the year. And
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Speaker 1: so if he had a lot of things going. But
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Speaker 1: but I you know, and I get your point that
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Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't be it would be in the conversation
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Speaker 1: for the first overall pick of the draft. And I
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Speaker 1: think that that's very interesting conversation. And I will tell
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Speaker 1: you this that you know, we're we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: some of the other prospects because you know, there's a
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Speaker 1: safety at Notre Dame. There's um, you know, a defensive
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Speaker 1: outside linebacker that hasn't and thinks he should be in
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Speaker 1: the conversation with the first overall pick. There's a Greek
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Speaker 1: pass rusher who goes to Purdue who I love. Uh.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of prospects that are that are very
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Speaker 1: interesting in this draft class. And I think that if
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Speaker 1: you were I think your your most value is going
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Speaker 1: to be somewhere in the middle of the first round,
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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because I think that you're
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Speaker 1: gonna get a really good player in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the first round. So I would put it this way,
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Speaker 1: if the Jaguars could trade the first overall pick and
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Speaker 1: move to five overall and then maybe pick up a
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Speaker 1: second round pick, I mean I'd do it in a minute.
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Speaker 1: I would. I would do it in a minute. Get
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Speaker 1: more picks, get more picks, and uh, I don't think
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Speaker 1: being in the in the top five is that important
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Speaker 1: this year. Jaguars Happy Hour on t t X, L
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Speaker 1: A M and Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with
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Speaker 1: Jeff Flagman. This is Prospect visit time. Each team gets
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Speaker 1: thirty visits of prospects. It can be any level, doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter all that. You can invite anybody you want. In fact,
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Speaker 1: there was one team that invited a former lacrosse player
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Speaker 1: to come as a visit. Of course, played quarterback at
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Speaker 1: Division two last year. Do they have to publish, Yes,
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Speaker 1: you have to put your list out. Everybody knows who's coming,
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Speaker 1: so you have to strategize a little bit you might
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Speaker 1: not want to put out. That's That's kind of my
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Speaker 1: point is that because you you're you're publishing that are
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Speaker 1: there some or are some of the visits just a
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Speaker 1: simple smoke screen, could be, could be. I will tell
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Speaker 1: you this that I think if any team's waste a
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Speaker 1: visit on a smoke screen, then I think they're making
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Speaker 1: a major mistake. You've got You've got to because here's
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Speaker 1: the thing, nobody knows how much you truly covet somebody
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Speaker 1: or where you covet somebody. You may bring one of
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Speaker 1: those thirty in that you like in round three, But
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Speaker 1: does that mean that you bring somebody in who you
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Speaker 1: would not draft at all to pass up the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to get further evaluation of somebody that you would absolutely draft.
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Speaker 1: I think that that would be crazy if you would
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Speaker 1: do that. You can't pass up the opportunity to gather
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Speaker 1: more information to simply create a smoke screen, because there
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Speaker 1: are players that you want to lie that you like
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Speaker 1: in round one and round two and round three and
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Speaker 1: round four. So bringing guys throughout the draft class that
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Speaker 1: you like, don't waste those thirty visits on oh well,
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Speaker 1: we just want to throw some people off the trail
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Speaker 1: to waste the time. When those visits happen, did you
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Speaker 1: do these when you were playing? No, they didn't. Now
10:22
Speaker 1: when when I was coming out, the combine was the Combine.
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Speaker 1: That's still what it is today. As far as the
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Speaker 1: physical testing and the physical evaluation, medical checks, that's all unchanged.
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Speaker 1: The part that's a little bit different is the interview process.
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Speaker 1: It was very informal at the combine. You didn't have
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Speaker 1: these structured You get fifteen minutes with each team and
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Speaker 1: then a blowhorn and then you move off to the
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Speaker 1: next station. They didn't do that. It was very very informal,
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Speaker 1: very informant. Hey, look, would you like can you come
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Speaker 1: and talk to uh? At the time, it was Marty
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Speaker 1: Shot himers with the Kansas City Chiefs, Carl Peterson and
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Speaker 1: Marty Shot Can you can you come and talk to them? Sure,
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Speaker 1: I'll come talk them And sat down and talked with
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Speaker 1: those two guys and talked with some different personnel guys
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Speaker 1: and different coaches and such. But and then after the
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Speaker 1: the Combine, there was no We didn't have a pro
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Speaker 1: day at the University of Virginia. We just look, I
11:15
Speaker 1: was open for business. Come to the football office. They'll
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Speaker 1: call me and say, hey, look, Dave w instead of
11:21
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys is gonna be here on Tuesday. Can
11:24
Speaker 1: you work out before him? Sure? Yeah, no problem. So
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Speaker 1: I worked out for day. Wanstead worked out for different coaches,
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Speaker 1: you know, from different other days. They'd call you and
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Speaker 1: come on down. Yeah, So I mean it wasn't like
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Speaker 1: one day. I mean I think I worked out about
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Speaker 1: ten times for ten different people, and probably about five
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Speaker 1: different teams. Pittsburgh Steelers, the New York Jets, the Dallas Cowboys,
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Speaker 1: uh were among quite a few of them. But it was.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's just so more refined now and more
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Speaker 1: planned now than it ever has been. But the the
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Speaker 1: purpose of it all hasn't changed though, which is that
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Speaker 1: they're trying to gather as much information as AGAMP. But
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Speaker 1: we did not never try Apple JP to answer the
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Speaker 1: original question, never traveled to another team's facility to have
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Speaker 1: a conversation. That didn't happen. I don't. I don't even
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Speaker 1: think it was allowed when at that time, when did
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Speaker 1: that really become a thing? Ten years ago, fifteen years
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Speaker 1: I think so something like that, because I mean that
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Speaker 1: that wasn't that wasn't allowed as far as I knew. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, they could come to you, but they could
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Speaker 1: not or would didn't fly you into their place to
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Speaker 1: talk to you in personnel, which just didn't happen by
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Speaker 1: the way at the airport, because I guess a lot
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Speaker 1: of these reports that some of these prospects were in
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Speaker 1: town Monday, and I'm sure more were in there's different days,
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Speaker 1: I mean the different organis. I think in the past
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Speaker 1: year they did like everybody in two big days, but
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Speaker 1: maybe they're spreading out some according to reports now and
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Speaker 1: different different approaches. And I heard that Aidan Hutchinson uh Kuanu,
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Speaker 1: the tackle from n C State, was in town. I
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Speaker 1: can tell he was in town for sure. I saw
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Speaker 1: him at the airport. Big big mean I'm talking big dude.
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Speaker 1: I mean when I say big, the arguably one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest chest upper bodies that you would ever see
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Speaker 1: on a human being. Obviously like barrel chested. Barrel chested.
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Speaker 1: He's a big guy now because when you watch the
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Speaker 1: film on him, when he when he finishes guys, he
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Speaker 1: has the ability to what I call throw guys out
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Speaker 1: of the bar and just by pushing, by pressing guys
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Speaker 1: with his upper body. And when I got the chance
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Speaker 1: to see him in person, I was coming in on
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Speaker 1: the airport or through the airport on on Monday and
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Speaker 1: happen to see him going out in the afternoon. I
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Speaker 1: was like, that's a big dude. And you know, somebody ask,
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Speaker 1: how do you know it was him? Well, you probably
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Speaker 1: know it's him. I mean he's that bigger, looks like
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Speaker 1: he's six ft five and three year Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: it kind of sticks out in my airport. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of hard either. It's kind of hard to miss miss
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Speaker 1: a guy when he is that big. I can tell
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Speaker 1: you that he's he's a monster guy and he's big, big, big,
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Speaker 1: big big. Now Lenadan Hutchinson, you know, he might be
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Speaker 1: able to squeeze by without you know, noticing, But you
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Speaker 1: know a guy that's three twenty is you know, three
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Speaker 1: and has has got that barrel chest. It's kind of
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Speaker 1: hard not to notice that. Because my first thing was like,
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Speaker 1: that dude's big right there by not bitch that he
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Speaker 1: lifts weights. And I look closer and said, that's itky man,
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Speaker 1: that's akey cool. Let's come back in a moment. We're
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Speaker 1: out to Mike cald Well, defensive coordinator. He'll be joining
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Speaker 1: Mike and I go way back, uh, you know as
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Speaker 1: as as players together. Um, I've always had a lot
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Speaker 1: of respect for him. You know, we worked together on
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Speaker 1: coach Reid staff, you know in Philadelphia. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I also worked with Todd Bowles. And so when when Todd,
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Speaker 1: when Todd left, you know, he always he took Mike
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Speaker 1: with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind
15:47
Speaker 1: of their defenses weather in New York, in Arizona, Tampa Bay. Um,
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Speaker 1: and and always felt like Mike, Mike would make a
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Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just given
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Speaker 1: an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I
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Speaker 1: was a coordinator, somebody had to give me an opportunity
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Speaker 1: right then. Um, he and I gotta have a great relationship,
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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to
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Speaker 1: watch him work and called defenses and uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: going to work this year. That's head coach Doug Peterson
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Speaker 1: last week at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach
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Speaker 1: discussing Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike called Well, long time player
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, long time coach in the NFL. J
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Speaker 1: P Shadrick, Jeff Loghman, it's Jaguars happy hour, and speaking
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Speaker 1: of here's Mike Caldwell in studio with us. It's great
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Speaker 1: to see you. Thanks for the time today, coach Aus,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me so here we are. You heard
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson there last week. You've known this guy for
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Speaker 1: a long time, played together in the league kinda and
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Speaker 1: now finally get to be on a staff with him again.
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Speaker 1: You were with him in Philadelphia. How has it been
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Speaker 1: the first few months settling in as a coaching staff
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Speaker 1: here together? Men? Been great? Really, a lot of work
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Speaker 1: that's going in everyone's I did trying to get in,
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Speaker 1: get the scheme going, get the lay of the land,
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Speaker 1: and just uh excited, ready to go, ready to get
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Speaker 1: the players in here. How many How many guys on
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Speaker 1: the defensive staff did you have a relationship with prior
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Speaker 1: to be a name the defensive coordinator? Pretty much everyone
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Speaker 1: except uh coach Gilbert and coach Sutton. Everyone else, uh
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Speaker 1: knew those guys from whether it's from Arizona or Philadelphia
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Speaker 1: or even Tampa Bay. So uh, the staff is it
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Speaker 1: really came together pretty pretty good, and you know we're
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Speaker 1: in there. We're grinding it out and just ready to go.
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Speaker 1: Now what is it? I think next week the players
17:43
Speaker 1: are allowed to be and you guys aren't allowed to
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Speaker 1: put your hands on them just yet. But how nice
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Speaker 1: will that be? Because when you coach, you gotta have players,
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Speaker 1: And so now the players will finally be coming in
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Speaker 1: here in about a week or so. Yeah, it's a
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Speaker 1: offseason strange. You can meet the guys, but you're unable
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Speaker 1: to coach the guys. And I consider coaches teachers, so
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Speaker 1: it's hard to be a teacher when you have no
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Speaker 1: one to teach. So we're teaching and bouncing things off
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Speaker 1: each other now and I'm really excited ready to get
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Speaker 1: the players then here so we can let them have
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Speaker 1: it and understand and see what they grasp and what
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Speaker 1: they don't then get it to them another way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the thing I might call it. Well, that's the
18:22
Speaker 1: Jaguars defensive coordinator here on Jaguars Happy or you can
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Speaker 1: have a defensive scheme in mind, a plan, put some
18:28
Speaker 1: things in, but then if the players and the personnel
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Speaker 1: have a different way of doing it or can't you know,
18:35
Speaker 1: or have different things, you have to adjust on the fly.
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Speaker 1: That's what this offseason is about. Figuring out what your
18:40
Speaker 1: players do best right exactly. That's where the camps come in.
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Speaker 1: As soon as we can get there and get them
18:44
Speaker 1: out able to run around and go against the offense.
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Speaker 1: Now we can actually see what guys can do. And
18:50
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer of if you can do it well,
18:53
Speaker 1: let them do that. Don't ask them do something they
18:55
Speaker 1: don't do it well. So I would need to find
18:56
Speaker 1: out what everyone can do well and will scheme around
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Speaker 1: their ability. So with a part of this process, when
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Speaker 1: you have a new staff and and first time defensive coordinator,
19:08
Speaker 1: everybody's got to learn to speak the same language. Okay,
19:11
Speaker 1: everybody needs to know what a pirate or a spike
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Speaker 1: or a ram or all these different terminologies are. Are
19:17
Speaker 1: you starting to get to that point where everybody is
19:19
Speaker 1: starting to speak the same language we're trying to. There's
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Speaker 1: uh pat Riley. He's a holdover from the last half
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Speaker 1: brilliant guy, and he's really our quality control, so he
19:30
Speaker 1: handles most of the playbook stuff, so we're actually putting
19:34
Speaker 1: it on him to make sure everyone's speaking the same language.
19:38
Speaker 1: You might call the halfback of R and everyone else
19:40
Speaker 1: calls it an eight. So that's the type of stuff
19:42
Speaker 1: that we're working through right now, and it's going great.
19:45
Speaker 1: The guys are there really receptive of learning new things
19:49
Speaker 1: because it's like you said, with terminology, it's gonna be different.
19:52
Speaker 1: You're not gonna call it to what you've called it
19:53
Speaker 1: for the last four or five years, so you're gonna
19:56
Speaker 1: have to understand it and learn it and be able
19:58
Speaker 1: to teach it once the players get here. I'm sure
20:00
Speaker 1: that there will be mistakes made. You you make a
20:03
Speaker 1: call or you use a turn that may have been
20:05
Speaker 1: from a previous stop, and that's just part of the
20:07
Speaker 1: growing process. But one of the parts of the process
20:10
Speaker 1: that I'm excited about was I had the opportunity to
20:13
Speaker 1: watch the film of the guys that you acquired in
20:17
Speaker 1: free agency and want to start with the Lucan the
20:20
Speaker 1: linebacker from the Atlanta Falcons, and I know that that's
20:22
Speaker 1: a position that you hold near and dear to your heart.
20:25
Speaker 1: And when I turned the film on watching him, when
20:28
Speaker 1: I loved about him. Downhill linebacker, that's decisive and he's
20:33
Speaker 1: got a great motor, but he's got the conditioning to
20:35
Speaker 1: support that motor. That's the thing. Uh. Being a former linebacker,
20:39
Speaker 1: you look for guys to have certain traits, and he
20:42
Speaker 1: has the traits of he's gonna be a leader out there,
20:45
Speaker 1: not because he's standing in front of the huddle, but
20:47
Speaker 1: because he's out there and he's working hard and he's
20:50
Speaker 1: leading guys and he's doing it by example. He's a
20:52
Speaker 1: guy just like you said, it's gonna play downhill, gonna
20:55
Speaker 1: be physical and intelligent player, went to Yale, so you
20:58
Speaker 1: know we're ready to go hands on him and give
21:01
Speaker 1: him as much as he can handle. Fully fought Akassi
21:04
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. Another guy, another late round draft pick,
21:07
Speaker 1: just like Luikan was and has really had to really
21:11
Speaker 1: earn everything he's had in the NFL. Nothing given to
21:14
Speaker 1: those guys when they're a late round draft pick like that,
21:17
Speaker 1: and from Fokasi's standpoint. I mean, he didn't play much
21:20
Speaker 1: his rookie season and then all of a sudden he's
21:22
Speaker 1: a defensive captain in New York. What is the best
21:25
Speaker 1: part of his game on that defensive line? When when
21:28
Speaker 1: you look at him and when we draft I drafted him,
21:31
Speaker 1: did Yeah. I was on the coaching staff that drafted him.
21:34
Speaker 1: And the thing about it was he was raw when
21:36
Speaker 1: he came out. Now you can see the the talent
21:39
Speaker 1: start the bubble and come out. He's explosive. He has
21:44
Speaker 1: really strong hands, and he's a force in the middle,
21:47
Speaker 1: and that's someone that you're looking forward to, you know,
21:50
Speaker 1: help stop the run, plug up the middle, and be
21:53
Speaker 1: a physical presence in the middle for offenses have to handle.
21:56
Speaker 1: When did you see that flip for him, like after
21:59
Speaker 1: a year halfway to his rookie season, when did you
22:01
Speaker 1: actually see some develop some change for him? When I
22:03
Speaker 1: actually saw it with when I turned on the film this,
22:05
Speaker 1: uh like that's the same kid. Yeah, he's different now
22:12
Speaker 1: and watching him one of the things I think that's
22:16
Speaker 1: very rare. It's not very often that you have a
22:19
Speaker 1: one technique defensive tackle because he plays the one, he
22:22
Speaker 1: plays the three, but that one of those guys is
22:26
Speaker 1: elected a team captain. Most of the captains are guys
22:31
Speaker 1: that make big plays, that make a lot of sacks
22:33
Speaker 1: and make a lot of interceptions, that make a lot
22:35
Speaker 1: of tackles. It's not very often that a noose tackles
22:38
Speaker 1: elected a captain. And I think that speaks volumes because
22:41
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I think has been
22:43
Speaker 1: a theme with your all. With the free agent process
22:45
Speaker 1: that you guys executed, you got a lot of captives.
22:48
Speaker 1: How important was that to your to your football team?
22:51
Speaker 1: I think it's really important. It just goes to the
22:53
Speaker 1: type of player he is and the type of person
22:55
Speaker 1: he is. He's a guy that it's gonna be respected,
22:58
Speaker 1: and you get respected by doing your job well and
23:01
Speaker 1: doing it and pulling others along. And that's what leaders do.
23:04
Speaker 1: And he's uh with a captain there, and we're looking
23:07
Speaker 1: for that same leadership to come here and infuse with
23:10
Speaker 1: the other guys that we have in a defensive line room.
23:13
Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, Darius Williams another guy that you
23:16
Speaker 1: were able to get in free agency, A local guy. Okay,
23:19
Speaker 1: coming home? How excited was he to have the opportunity
23:23
Speaker 1: to come home and to come here and play for
23:25
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Well, it's always exciting to come home
23:28
Speaker 1: and play in the stadium that you grew up watching
23:31
Speaker 1: the team play in or you're watching him on TV.
23:34
Speaker 1: But he actually gets to come home and play here
23:36
Speaker 1: for be a part of the Jacksonville team. So that's
23:41
Speaker 1: the most important thing for him. He was excited. His
23:44
Speaker 1: family is excited and to be able to go out
23:46
Speaker 1: and play in front of your kids. You grew up
23:48
Speaker 1: with your family that you've seen and they can get
23:51
Speaker 1: to the game easily. So that's exciting for him and
23:54
Speaker 1: we're excited to have him. He's a guy that brings
23:56
Speaker 1: a lot of energy when it can go out there
23:58
Speaker 1: and make plays for us and need the boys, so
24:00
Speaker 1: it uh. It helps a lot the way it played
24:04
Speaker 1: out in Los Angeles, especially last year for him. You
24:07
Speaker 1: got Ramsey and those guys on one side. He was
24:09
Speaker 1: getting a lot of action over there, so you know,
24:12
Speaker 1: and he stepped up to the plate and made some
24:14
Speaker 1: big place for the Rams last year. That's key. Once
24:17
Speaker 1: you're put to the forefront and it's your time again.
24:22
Speaker 1: They have all star corner on the other side and
24:24
Speaker 1: they think they're gonna pick on you on the other side,
24:26
Speaker 1: and you come there and you stand up and you
24:28
Speaker 1: get to stop. You know, that's just something we're looking
24:31
Speaker 1: for down here that he can come in and help
24:33
Speaker 1: develop with the other corners that we're having to back
24:35
Speaker 1: in and trying to keep him making plays the way
24:38
Speaker 1: he did last year. A good room now, by the way,
24:40
Speaker 1: that cornerback room, it really has a veterans back there
24:45
Speaker 1: and also a little bit of youth. So it's gonna
24:47
Speaker 1: mix together, when Darius says Duvall, and it's got a
24:51
Speaker 1: little extra meting, a little extra meeting. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
24:54
Speaker 1: So part of the process of improving your football team.
24:58
Speaker 1: It's coming up here pretty soon, the dry raft. So
25:01
Speaker 1: who you're gonna draft with? Who do you? Who do you?
25:04
Speaker 1: Who does Mike Caldwell like Right now, I'm in the
25:07
Speaker 1: lab along with Trent, with Doug the defense staff. We're
25:12
Speaker 1: in there trying to understand who would be the best
25:14
Speaker 1: fit for us. And we're gonna go out there and
25:16
Speaker 1: get the best player, and whoever that may be, we'll
25:19
Speaker 1: be excited for him and he'll be a dag and
25:21
Speaker 1: we'll go out there and we're gonna expect big things.
25:23
Speaker 1: From him, that's go. It's a balance. It's a challenge.
25:25
Speaker 1: Right now you're balancing building a scheme on defense and
25:29
Speaker 1: then all the free agency stuff. It's all it never
25:31
Speaker 1: really ends, but the big first couple of waves are
25:34
Speaker 1: done now and then the draft. All that's working at
25:36
Speaker 1: the same time. How challenging is that for the coaching
25:39
Speaker 1: staff to have to balance all of that at one time.
25:41
Speaker 1: It is It's like a big puzzle. You get different
25:44
Speaker 1: pieces and you might get this piece or you might
25:47
Speaker 1: have that piece and just trying to put it together.
25:49
Speaker 1: So once you get it together, we all can be
25:51
Speaker 1: on the same page, beect ready to go out there
25:52
Speaker 1: and have success. One of the things that's different, I
25:57
Speaker 1: don't know what what your d You come out in
25:59
Speaker 1: the draft now three Okay, you came out ninety three.
26:01
Speaker 1: I was eighty nine, and you guys are I guess
26:05
Speaker 1: still in the process where these prospects come and visit you.
26:08
Speaker 1: I get I think thirty guys can come in. Did
26:11
Speaker 1: you do that? Was that? Even when I came out,
26:14
Speaker 1: we didn't have that. The when I came out, the
26:16
Speaker 1: best thing we that I received was a workout and
26:20
Speaker 1: then after workout, the coach brought me. Uh. I think
26:22
Speaker 1: we went to McDonald's, so I got got McDonald got
26:26
Speaker 1: a free meal after going through a couple of workouts.
26:28
Speaker 1: So that was That's all you wanted, just a chance,
26:31
Speaker 1: the opportunity. And I think when the guys come here,
26:33
Speaker 1: we just wanna get comfortable, get them in a different setting,
26:37
Speaker 1: show them what we're here to offer. You got them
26:39
Speaker 1: coming down to Florida, which is beautiful, so you know
26:42
Speaker 1: that's a big plus for us. How much do you
26:44
Speaker 1: learn when you get you get a prospect to come
26:46
Speaker 1: in and spend some time with you like that? How
26:48
Speaker 1: much can you learn to do you get a little
26:51
Speaker 1: better feel for the individual and the personality and does
26:55
Speaker 1: it fit in that short amount of time or is
26:58
Speaker 1: it just part of the puzzle. Really, once you get
27:00
Speaker 1: them in, when they come to the combine, you get
27:02
Speaker 1: them for fifteen minutes, the agent can kind of prep
27:06
Speaker 1: them everything. But when you go out to dinner with
27:09
Speaker 1: him or have him in a building for all day,
27:11
Speaker 1: you're able to find that true personality and see if
27:15
Speaker 1: a guy will fit. What buttons can you push to
27:18
Speaker 1: get him? You know in bad situations, But I really
27:21
Speaker 1: just want to get to know the person and you've
27:25
Speaker 1: known the player by watching the film. Just uh, once
27:27
Speaker 1: you spend that time with him, get to know the
27:29
Speaker 1: person behind a player, get an idea of what they
27:31
Speaker 1: may react to better or or otherwise, and and keep
27:34
Speaker 1: that in your memory bank and moving ahead. Coach, thanks
27:37
Speaker 1: for the time, thanks for coming across the hallway, and
27:40
Speaker 1: always good to see you. And you're always welcome here
27:41
Speaker 1: and good luck to you. Thank you very much much
27:43
Speaker 1: having me Mike called well Jaguars defensive coordinator. The Jags
27:47
Speaker 1: are future focused and ready for a new look. In
27:50
Speaker 1: to join us to the bank this season was Doug
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Speaker 1: three two thousand. This is Jaguars Happy Hour on the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Digital Network. For one, Versatility was really able to
28:18
Speaker 1: They really showed it off this last year, moving him inside,
28:21
Speaker 1: moving him outside, having the capabilities to be able to
28:25
Speaker 1: kind of live outside, even though you know he's pretty
28:28
Speaker 1: thick in stature, and being able to go down inside
28:31
Speaker 1: still be able to hold up. And I think that's
28:33
Speaker 1: where his primary value is going to be is he
28:37
Speaker 1: can play a heavy handed brand of football and hold
28:41
Speaker 1: up inside yet still be loose enough and offer you
28:44
Speaker 1: enough quickness to be outside if you meet it. And
28:48
Speaker 1: I just I think that combination something not a lot
28:50
Speaker 1: of guys have. I mean, of course, you're gonna talk
28:52
Speaker 1: a lot about his teammate to Jordan Davis, who is
28:55
Speaker 1: just an absolute boulder, somebody you're not going to be
28:58
Speaker 1: able to move, but a totally different HI player as
29:01
Speaker 1: far as what he's gonna be able to do and
29:02
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be asked to do the most likely,
29:04
Speaker 1: So I think Treyvon gonna be a great pro. That's
29:08
Speaker 1: cold Cublic of SEC Network. The full interview available on
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com. He is the analyst on SEC Saturday Night.
29:16
Speaker 1: Former Auburn center and radio host w j X in
29:21
Speaker 1: Birmingham as well. He got his thoughts on a few
29:24
Speaker 1: of the top SEC prospects coming out, and a lot
29:27
Speaker 1: of those names have been linked to the Jaguars in
29:29
Speaker 1: different mock drafts. Welcome back at Jaguars, Happy Our j P.
29:32
Speaker 1: Shadrick with Jeff Vogman, Joe fort Gnado, Brent Reaver and
29:36
Speaker 1: our thanks to Mike Caldwell, so coming in Jaguars defensive coordinator.
29:40
Speaker 1: It's a lot going on at the same time, just
29:43
Speaker 1: getting into town a little later than a lot of
29:45
Speaker 1: coaching staffs might and then here we go hit the
29:48
Speaker 1: ground running. Well the part we asked him about this
29:52
Speaker 1: because it we did it off the year and said,
29:55
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're starting to get settled because a
29:57
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand. Okay, you get an new
30:00
Speaker 1: coaching staff, well, you also have to change cities. You
30:04
Speaker 1: have a family, and you have to try to get
30:08
Speaker 1: the family moved. I mean, there's a lot of moving
30:10
Speaker 1: parts for for NFL coaches because they literally have to
30:14
Speaker 1: be a little bit part gypsy because that's kind of
30:17
Speaker 1: just the name of the game. And this is the
30:20
Speaker 1: business you've chosen. Well, and I mean that's what they
30:22
Speaker 1: signed up for. So I mean, you know, I'm not
30:24
Speaker 1: asking anybody to feel sorry for him. I mean just
30:26
Speaker 1: you know, that's asking people to kind of understand what
30:28
Speaker 1: they have going on in their life. And it's a
30:30
Speaker 1: lot and uh and so Mike's got a lot going
30:33
Speaker 1: on and uh and and also being a first time
30:36
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and so uh yeah, I mean that's trying
30:40
Speaker 1: to learn to speak the same language. And I brought
30:43
Speaker 1: that up because I mean JP literally when you have
30:47
Speaker 1: and you assemble a staff, a defensive staff or an
30:50
Speaker 1: offensive staff, you're bringing in a lot of guys that
30:53
Speaker 1: you know, but they may all come from different systems.
30:57
Speaker 1: You may have spent some time together in past places.
31:00
Speaker 1: But you also have these different languages that you're all
31:03
Speaker 1: coming from most recently, and so you have to be
31:06
Speaker 1: able to all speak the same language, and so you
31:09
Speaker 1: have to decide on terminology and uh and everything of
31:13
Speaker 1: that nature. So that's not an easy thing to do,
31:16
Speaker 1: not an easy thing to do at all. And the
31:17
Speaker 1: one thing that I like what Doug Peterson and I
31:21
Speaker 1: think he did this and I think it was very
31:23
Speaker 1: smart to help out Mike because he's the first time
31:26
Speaker 1: called wells. Bob Sutton was kept on staff and a
31:29
Speaker 1: lot of people maybe don't appreciate and understand this, but
31:33
Speaker 1: Bob Sutton has been an extremely successful defensive coordinator in
31:38
Speaker 1: the National Football League before, most recently with the Kansas
31:41
Speaker 1: City Chiefs and highly respected, highly respected, and urban Meyer
31:48
Speaker 1: hired him. Doug Peterson kept him very smart and will
31:52
Speaker 1: that will help Mike called well, it's gonna be Mike Show.
31:55
Speaker 1: But man if if if I'm approaching something for the
31:58
Speaker 1: first time, to have the ability to go to somebody
32:02
Speaker 1: who's been there and done that, bounce ideas off of them,
32:06
Speaker 1: and to get that kind of that free flowing information opinions,
32:11
Speaker 1: that's valuable, very valuable, because Mike Caldwell is going to
32:15
Speaker 1: be in a lot of places that he's never been
32:18
Speaker 1: this year, and to have somebody who has been there
32:22
Speaker 1: and to be able to lean on that past experience
32:25
Speaker 1: with somebody on staff, I think is absolutely important. One
32:28
Speaker 1: of these days, we're gonna put a microphone in front
32:31
Speaker 1: of Bob Sutton and get some stories out of that man.
32:33
Speaker 1: He's got some stories now talked to him, you know,
32:36
Speaker 1: and off the air, and yeah, he's got some stories.
32:39
Speaker 1: That would be a fun one for sure. Of course,
32:41
Speaker 1: the draft is three weeks away from tonight, you believe that.
32:45
Speaker 1: By the way, the guy that that you talked to
32:47
Speaker 1: on the podcast, I love his opinion on on Trayvon Walker,
32:53
Speaker 1: and I think he's dead on. I think I think
32:55
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker is gonna be a really good pro. When
32:57
Speaker 1: he talks about heavy hands, uh that's uh, heavy hands
33:02
Speaker 1: First of all, the hands need to be in the
33:04
Speaker 1: right place to be heavy to begin with, which is
33:06
Speaker 1: a technique thing. Trayvon Walker has excellent hands are in
33:10
Speaker 1: the right place. He plays strong. He does have the
33:13
Speaker 1: positional flexibility. He can kick down and play as a
33:16
Speaker 1: three technique. He can play defensive end on in a
33:20
Speaker 1: four B. He can do it in a wide six.
33:23
Speaker 1: So I think he's got a lot of value and
33:25
Speaker 1: will have a lot of value to a team that
33:28
Speaker 1: can use a guy that can play multiple positions. Will
33:30
Speaker 1: he be right at the top of the draft. I
33:31
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be right at the top,
33:34
Speaker 1: but he is gonna be a good football player. He's
33:36
Speaker 1: one of those guys JP I'm talking about that could
33:39
Speaker 1: end up at at one, two, three, could end up
33:42
Speaker 1: at ten. It depends on what team likes, what he
33:46
Speaker 1: has to offer right, and what other guys that need.
33:48
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about that. You know the guys
33:50
Speaker 1: that you put into a bag and you just pull
33:52
Speaker 1: five names out, that's how how they may fall. You're
33:54
Speaker 1: just not sure yet because there's a lot of guys
33:56
Speaker 1: that are that are real close together talent wise in
33:59
Speaker 1: that top ten, top twelve guys. This is Jaguars Happy R. J. P.
34:05
Speaker 1: Shaddick with Jeff log I'm glad you were with the
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Speaker 1: Sun sent ten x L A M and Jaguars Twitter,
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Speaker 1: Facebook and YouTube on this Thursday afternoon. You know, earlier
34:14
Speaker 1: you talked about some of the other prospects that you've
34:17
Speaker 1: been looking at on film. We've heard about the big names.
34:20
Speaker 1: Last week we did the Big four, the two big tackles,
34:22
Speaker 1: the two big defensive lineman, including Walker. But there's a
34:25
Speaker 1: few other names that people will here early in this draft,
34:29
Speaker 1: and maybe not as early as you'd think. But let's
34:32
Speaker 1: start with a guy like you. You're talking about the
34:35
Speaker 1: Greek guy from that I think is how you pronounced
34:40
Speaker 1: his last name, George, George Carl Laftis and uh, he's
34:45
Speaker 1: he wears a single digit number number five. And when
34:49
Speaker 1: you watch him play, this guy, he he might be
34:53
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher in the draft as far as
34:54
Speaker 1: the smoothest guy having just passed. He can do it,
34:58
Speaker 1: you know, he really can do. He's got great ups,
35:00
Speaker 1: he's got a great bend, he has got he's fluid
35:04
Speaker 1: as can be. And where is he gonna be drafted?
35:08
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be in the first round somewhere. I
35:10
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where six four, two sixty six and
35:14
Speaker 1: bench press one, you know, vertical jump thirty eight got
35:18
Speaker 1: up there. Well, I think he can and I think
35:20
Speaker 1: he can weigh a little bit more. He could probably
35:22
Speaker 1: play two seventy to seventy five somewhere in that range.
35:25
Speaker 1: But he's a very real smooth pass rusher, and uh,
35:28
Speaker 1: he's a guy. That's what I'm saying is that if
35:30
Speaker 1: if you're the Jaguars, you could find a way at
35:32
Speaker 1: a trade down. Like I said, there's probably not a
35:35
Speaker 1: very strong chance of that, but if you could, that's
35:38
Speaker 1: I think where that value is is where like a
35:41
Speaker 1: guy like Karl Laftus isn't gonna end up being. But
35:43
Speaker 1: I think he's an intriguing prospect. He only played football
35:47
Speaker 1: for a short period of time because I think he
35:49
Speaker 1: came to this country at at a late eight eight
35:52
Speaker 1: grand Yeah, I didn't start playing football until he got
35:54
Speaker 1: over here. So I think that what that says is
35:58
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of untapped potential still there and uh,
36:03
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be interesting. And on the
36:05
Speaker 1: flip side of that, you have the safety at Notre
36:08
Speaker 1: Dame Hamilton's who. Many people believe that he is the
36:13
Speaker 1: and have him listed as the highest rated prospect in
36:16
Speaker 1: the draft. And he does have a lot of skills,
36:21
Speaker 1: and he's got size, he's a he's kind of a
36:24
Speaker 1: different safety, and that he almost has the build of
36:27
Speaker 1: a linebacker. He's tall, he's range e. But I think
36:31
Speaker 1: the one concerns four yeah, that I would have, which
36:35
Speaker 1: you don't see mary many six four safeties around. But
36:39
Speaker 1: in in today's NFL, a six four safety, you're thinking,
36:42
Speaker 1: can we convert him the linebacker? Right? I mean that's
36:45
Speaker 1: but today's NFL is a little more weight on him
36:47
Speaker 1: and throw him up there, right, yeah, okay, but when
36:50
Speaker 1: you look at his forty time, Hey, you got us
36:54
Speaker 1: forty time there? Do what is it? Four or five nine? Okay?
36:58
Speaker 1: That's four six? H Okay. I have a hard time
37:04
Speaker 1: because after watching the film of him, he's got ball skills.
37:07
Speaker 1: But there were some moments to where the the the
37:10
Speaker 1: whole name of safety, okay, is that you're the safety valve,
37:16
Speaker 1: last guy, last line of defense, right, And he missed
37:20
Speaker 1: some opportunities at the most critical point of the job
37:24
Speaker 1: description of playing safety. He missed the opportunity to making
37:28
Speaker 1: a tackle that saved touchdowns, and when you watched him
37:31
Speaker 1: pursue from a bad angle. I sat there and I
37:34
Speaker 1: said to myself, this guy is not that fast. And
37:36
Speaker 1: I and this is before I looked at what the
37:39
Speaker 1: reports were, what the numbers were from the combine, and
37:41
Speaker 1: you look at the combine and you see four or
37:43
Speaker 1: five nine. Okay, that's four six. That's not elite speed,
37:47
Speaker 1: especially for a defensive back. So I have a hard
37:50
Speaker 1: time sitting there saying that he's the highest rated prospect
37:54
Speaker 1: when he runs a four or five nine. Okay, if
37:57
Speaker 1: he was a linebacker and he ran four or five
37:59
Speaker 1: nine and he was sick four and he was two
38:01
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds maybe two twenty five, then you'd
38:04
Speaker 1: be oh excited about it because it's a different position,
38:07
Speaker 1: requires different speed. But I'm sorry, I can't get on
38:11
Speaker 1: board with Hamilton's being the highest rated prospect because four
38:14
Speaker 1: or five nine doesn't do it for me. If you
38:17
Speaker 1: rewound to uh, let's say two three months ago, and
38:21
Speaker 1: looked at a lot of mock drafts NFL draft previews,
38:25
Speaker 1: Cavon Cavon Tibodeau's name would have been right at the
38:28
Speaker 1: top of a lot of lists. In fact, early in
38:30
Speaker 1: the process, he was mocked to the Jaguars a lot,
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Speaker 1: a lot of these big time mock drafts. That hasn't
38:36
Speaker 1: happened in a long long time. What's the story with
38:38
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. Well, he's interested, and he's not a big guy. Okay,
38:43
Speaker 1: he's kind of true what you would describe as a linebacker.
38:46
Speaker 1: He's six four, two fifty four officially. Okay, So when
38:49
Speaker 1: you compare him to Karl Laftus or Aiden Hutchinson or
38:56
Speaker 1: the guy from Alabama Alabama, Trayvon Walker or from Georgia
39:01
Speaker 1: tramor Larka, He's not He's not. He's much smaller. I mean,
39:06
Speaker 1: you know, I mean not. I'm not cutting hairs here.
39:09
Speaker 1: I mean literally, when you watch the tabe, you go,
39:11
Speaker 1: that guy is not that big way not quite that
39:18
Speaker 1: small because is like two thirty five, Yeah, a little
39:22
Speaker 1: shorter than that. But but the point is is that
39:24
Speaker 1: he's a little different type of player. He is truly,
39:28
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that you'd say, Okay, we're gonna
39:30
Speaker 1: put his hand in the ground and play four three.
39:33
Speaker 1: I think he's a he's a true three four linebacker,
39:36
Speaker 1: and he's got some exceptional quickness off the ball, but
39:42
Speaker 1: he does he's not he doesn't have a lot of moves. Okay,
39:46
Speaker 1: when you when you pass rush, you have to have moves,
39:49
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that he's still learning. He
39:53
Speaker 1: doesn't have a patent move like Karl Aftis has got moves.
39:57
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson has got moves. Trayvon Walker has got power. Okay,
40:03
Speaker 1: this guy had. He's still trying to figure it out,
40:06
Speaker 1: it seems. And so I think that's one of the
40:09
Speaker 1: reasons why I don't want to say his stock is
40:12
Speaker 1: is dropped, because I don't think it has. I think
40:14
Speaker 1: that's what why he's rated a notch below some of
40:17
Speaker 1: these other guys the top. But it's not a very
40:20
Speaker 1: big notch below now, Okay, but he's got superior athleticism.
40:27
Speaker 1: So with superior athleticism, you know that the guy has
40:31
Speaker 1: a chance of of being great. Because when you watching
40:36
Speaker 1: Naiden Hutchinson, do you go, oh my god, what a
40:37
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. You don't say that, Miles Garrett, when you
40:41
Speaker 1: watched the film, you went, oh my god, this guy
40:43
Speaker 1: is sick. Okay, and uh, but he's a superior athlete,
40:48
Speaker 1: so I think that gives him a chance at improving.
40:50
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler was that Dante Fowler was a phenomenal athlete.
40:55
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time ever laid eyes on him
40:57
Speaker 1: in person, I was like, oh my god. But but this,
41:01
Speaker 1: which I'm pointing out the head. If you're listening on radio,
41:03
Speaker 1: thank you. The mind and the body sometimes don't work together.
41:08
Speaker 1: And and I'm not saying that to be mean other
41:11
Speaker 1: than to point out that if if Dante had because
41:15
Speaker 1: there's I'm not saying that a guy has to be
41:18
Speaker 1: smart to be able to play football, but you have
41:20
Speaker 1: to have the football instincts, and certain guys have instincts
41:25
Speaker 1: and play instinctual even though the system okay, maybe a
41:30
Speaker 1: little bit complex, that that that body naturally takes it
41:33
Speaker 1: over and uh and what Dante that was? That never
41:38
Speaker 1: was his strong suit he but athletically he's one of
41:41
Speaker 1: the greatest athletes I've ever seen. We'll come back in
41:44
Speaker 1: a moment. We'll take a live look at the Football
41:48
Speaker 1: Performance Center. It's been a rainy day outside, and we'll
41:51
Speaker 1: also go around the National Football League. Thanks to Mike
41:53
Speaker 1: called Well, Jaguars defensive coordinator who joined us a little
41:56
Speaker 1: earlier on the show This Jaguars Happy Hour and the
41:59
Speaker 1: Jaguars did little Network welcome back. Is Jaguars Happy Our
42:07
Speaker 1: Thursday Afternoon JP Shadrick with Jeff Lagerman And if you're
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Speaker 1: watching on Jaguars Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or Jaguars dot Com,
42:15
Speaker 1: you're looking live at the Football Performance Center. And the
42:19
Speaker 1: footprint is taking shape more and more each day, except
42:23
Speaker 1: today because it's raining cats and dogs off and on
42:26
Speaker 1: today and it is a big mud pit today. But
42:29
Speaker 1: we're still on track for training camp. Of they've been
42:33
Speaker 1: pouring concrete when it's been dry enough. The last couple
42:36
Speaker 1: of last week or so since we've had this program,
42:38
Speaker 1: they've added some concrete walls are going up. I saw
42:42
Speaker 1: blocks being put together yesterday and uh, you need to
42:46
Speaker 1: get the monster trucks out there for kind of what
42:48
Speaker 1: it looks like, right, Yeah, monster jam monster jam Jam.
42:54
Speaker 1: Love it. Uh So, of course we're looking forward to
42:57
Speaker 1: the progress their progress the shipyards as well. All the
43:00
Speaker 1: fire Museum has moved down the street now. Uss or
43:03
Speaker 1: Lock is in town now, right on the riverfront downtown.
43:06
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. They're gonna make a permanent home for that,
43:08
Speaker 1: I think up in the shipyards somewhere. So that did
43:12
Speaker 1: Did they give a timeline on when that would be available.
43:15
Speaker 1: I don't know that, yeah question, but it's down town. Yeah,
43:20
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing that. Pretty cool, Like you're
43:22
Speaker 1: just driving by it and checking it out. It's it's
43:24
Speaker 1: gonna be a nice addition. That's a long time coming.
43:26
Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool addition to downtown. Yeah, no doubt about.
43:31
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward for the first tour of that as well. Hey,
43:34
Speaker 1: let's go around the National Football let's do that. A
43:36
Speaker 1: lot going on, A lot around the NFL. A lot
43:39
Speaker 1: two more money, Well, yeah, big money and yeah both ways.
43:44
Speaker 1: I think two more coaches joined the Brian Flores suit
43:48
Speaker 1: against the NFL. Steve Wilkes, the Cardinals head coach, inen
43:52
Speaker 1: Ray Horton and assistant in the league since ninety four,
43:54
Speaker 1: he interviewed for the Titans job, and there was a
43:59
Speaker 1: tweeter earlier today that brought up a Mike Mlwarkey podcast
44:03
Speaker 1: interview from a year or so ago when he talked
44:07
Speaker 1: about the process of interviewing as the Titans head coach
44:10
Speaker 1: and felt like that, hey, they told him you already
44:13
Speaker 1: had the job, and that's what this comes from. The
44:15
Speaker 1: Ray Horton part of it, so that will be a
44:17
Speaker 1: continuing story obviously. It's uh, you know, the the NFL
44:21
Speaker 1: has got a couple of things that that are not
44:24
Speaker 1: very positive right now that they're dealing with Brian Floors
44:28
Speaker 1: lawsuit being one of them. The reports about Daniel Snyder
44:33
Speaker 1: on multiple fronts they keep adding are not reflecting very well,
44:39
Speaker 1: Congressional inquiries into different organizations sexual harassment type of things. So, um, yeah,
44:49
Speaker 1: the NFL is uh and and they'll get through it.
44:53
Speaker 1: They will because they're gonna make I think good decisions
44:56
Speaker 1: to make sure that the league is headed in the
44:58
Speaker 1: right direction. But right now, yeah, it's it's not too good.
45:02
Speaker 1: In Deshaun Watson, I guess now has to give testimony
45:06
Speaker 1: as to the relationship with some of the consensual relationships
45:11
Speaker 1: that he had was massage therapists. So it's like there's
45:16
Speaker 1: a lot going on. The NFL's probably sitting there gone,
45:20
Speaker 1: can we get to the draft quickly please. Pro Football
45:24
Speaker 1: Talk earlier today cited multiple sources that after his retirement,
45:27
Speaker 1: originally Tom Brady would have been introduced as minority owner
45:31
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins. The report on February that the Dolphins
45:35
Speaker 1: had planned to pursue a Sean Payton Tom Brady package deal.
45:39
Speaker 1: But then the Brian Flores lawsuit came filed the same
45:41
Speaker 1: day Brady retired, the Dolphins pulled the plug on that
45:44
Speaker 1: plan of bringing both together in Miami. That would have
45:47
Speaker 1: been something else well it obviously everything going on with
45:51
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross too would have That would have been very interesting,
45:54
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any doubt that the Bradys
45:57
Speaker 1: can afford to be a part owner of a franchise. Look,
46:02
Speaker 1: both Mr and Mrs do very well, and I think
46:04
Speaker 1: the Misses does better than the Mr. Absolutely um. Also,
46:09
Speaker 1: somebody else doing very well these days is Stefon Diggs.
46:12
Speaker 1: Four years, one four million dollar extension, including seventy million
46:16
Speaker 1: guaranteed dollars. His contract now runs through seven with the Bills,
46:21
Speaker 1: a total value of a hundred and twenty four million.
46:24
Speaker 1: Added to the list of wide receiver mega contracts, Tyreek
46:27
Speaker 1: Hills seventy two million guaranteed with the Dolphins, Davante Adam
46:30
Speaker 1: sixty five million guaranteed with the Raiders. Big money, That's
46:34
Speaker 1: what I was talking about, big money, and the wide
46:36
Speaker 1: receiver position is crazy. The Deshaun Watson contract, I think
46:42
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. The the contracts for the wide receiver. So
46:46
Speaker 1: how's it ridiculous money of guaranteed? What's the guaranteed amount
46:51
Speaker 1: of money for for a person that has some unresolved issues.
46:57
Speaker 1: I think that that was a poor decision by the Haslems,
47:02
Speaker 1: who admitted that they didn't know what they were doing
47:06
Speaker 1: at the onset of their period of time when they
47:09
Speaker 1: first bought or acquired the Cleveland Browns. But the reality
47:12
Speaker 1: is is that when you do a deal like this,
47:15
Speaker 1: you're saying that we didn't know what we were doing.
47:17
Speaker 1: I think the argument could be made that it's very
47:21
Speaker 1: apparent that you don't still don't know what you're doing,
47:24
Speaker 1: because when other owners say that that's not a good
47:29
Speaker 1: thing for the NFL. When you give a guy that
47:31
Speaker 1: has issues that kind of guaranteed money, like Stephen BOSCOTTI said, uh,
47:35
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, that's a problem. That's a that's
47:39
Speaker 1: I think that's a big problem. Now. A guy like
47:41
Speaker 1: Davante Adams and the money that he got, Okay, Digs, Okay,
47:47
Speaker 1: I mean these guys productive clean, no off the field issues.
47:53
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Okay, he's got he's got some off the
47:56
Speaker 1: field issue. So we can play, but he can play
47:59
Speaker 1: like nobody's business. I mean, that's just so. I mean,
48:03
Speaker 1: I'm glad some of these guys are getting the money
48:05
Speaker 1: and the guaranteed money is coming. I think that's good
48:08
Speaker 1: for NFL players because NFL players have always had that
48:11
Speaker 1: issue that there's very little money that has been guaranteed
48:14
Speaker 1: in their contracts over the years. So I think this
48:16
Speaker 1: is a positive thing. But I also think it needs
48:18
Speaker 1: to be positive from the standpoint of the teams need
48:21
Speaker 1: to be given that the players that don't have any
48:23
Speaker 1: issues Nate Hackett and the Broncos and using their top
48:28
Speaker 1: thirty visits. Interestingly, one of those an Excella Cross star
48:32
Speaker 1: making a visit with the Broncos. Jared Bernhardt was a
48:35
Speaker 1: member of the Maryland lacrosse team last spring and won
48:39
Speaker 1: the award is the nation's best collegiate lacrosse player in
48:42
Speaker 1: one He then transferred grand transfer played quarterback at Ferris
48:46
Speaker 1: State in Michigan last season, led them to a Division
48:49
Speaker 1: to national championship in football, He'll be a receiver and
48:53
Speaker 1: kick returner in the NFL. Why not? What a path? Uh?
48:56
Speaker 1: Why not? Hey? By the way, Patrick Kearney, do you
49:00
Speaker 1: remember Patrick Kearney played defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons.
49:04
Speaker 1: Also went on to play for the Seattle Seahawks. Was
49:06
Speaker 1: one of the what was a college lacrosse player at
49:11
Speaker 1: the University of Virginia and so, look, I don't think
49:15
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with bringing a guy that played in
49:17
Speaker 1: college lacrosse. I think there's some crossover. Jim Brown one
49:20
Speaker 1: of the greatest lacrosse players ever the go uh so
49:26
Speaker 1: uh so. But I think this is a little this
49:28
Speaker 1: is pretty cool and that you know he went somewhere
49:30
Speaker 1: else played little football. I mean, good stuff. I mean,
49:33
Speaker 1: I think that's a good decision there. Athletes are athletes,
49:35
Speaker 1: and they all don't make the conversion from one sport
49:38
Speaker 1: to another. But I think lacrosse and football, I think
49:40
Speaker 1: there's uh there's some similarities there. Live's great stuff. We'll
49:44
Speaker 1: talk to you again next week, looking forward to Joe Fortunado,
49:47
Speaker 1: Brent Reaver for Jeff Flagman and defensive coordinator Might called Well.
49:51
Speaker 1: I'm J P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening. We'll catch
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