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Is the White Cross Project a Psyop? | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Thank you. My name is Jerm.
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Speaker 2: This is Jerm Warfare, the battle of ideas. Dez Bernardo,
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Speaker 2: thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Jeremy, for inviting me. You know, we're
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Speaker 1: all part of a global citizenry at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day, fighting things out with borders that were drawn
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Speaker 1: around our countries a long time ago by people a
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Speaker 1: lot more powerful than us.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think where to start. So the talking
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Speaker 2: point here is the White Cross project. So basically, it's
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Speaker 2: on the surface, we're dealing with an issue in South
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Speaker 2: Africa here that I think now the world is starting
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Speaker 2: to know about. We have a very, very high rate
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Speaker 2: of crime in South Africa and Farm attacks are obviously
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Speaker 2: a problem. I think they average one per week, which
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Speaker 2: is very, very high.
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Speaker 1: It's a problem.
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Speaker 2: The ANC is definitely in some sort of denial about it.
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Speaker 2: A number of groups have been lobbying, not just the
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Speaker 2: South African government, but the international community to quote, unquote,
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Speaker 2: raise awareness. I'm not entirely certain what raising awareness is
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Speaker 2: meant to achieve, and perhaps you can also look into
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Speaker 2: that for me. But recently, as in like a week ago,
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Speaker 2: The White Cross Project was a campaign in Washington where
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Speaker 2: they physically planted 3,000 white crosses on one of the
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Speaker 2: national lawns and then got a private screening of a
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Speaker 2: documentary about farm attacks in the White House, which is
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Speaker 2: incredible if you think about how they got that right.
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Speaker 1: Having global organizations, large corporations, governments, with funders and larger
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Speaker 1: global organizations that pick people in government where they have
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Speaker 1: real control over how we perceive the world just as
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Speaker 1: global citizens. And if we are caught up in the
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Speaker 1: mainstream narratives of the world, then things like what we'll
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Speaker 1: be discussing now will look like a darker history or
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Speaker 1: something that is hidden when it's actually open and in
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Speaker 1: plain sight. And that is encouraging because we can actually
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Speaker 1: find truth. And truth brings us closer to reality. What
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Speaker 1: actually took place? And there's a process one can follow
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Speaker 1: to get there. And you can do the same with
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Speaker 1: a White Cross project. And because I worked in the
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Speaker 1: nuclear industry, I ran nuclear reactors, I was highly skilled
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Speaker 1: and trained in doing that, I have learned how to
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Speaker 1: meticulously compartmentalize things, see things in ways that other people
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Speaker 1: might not, ask questions that many people might not normally
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Speaker 1: ask because of my training and my background. And when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the White Cross project, I see the
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Speaker 1: CIA in Moussak. That is what I see. I mean,
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Speaker 1: those are the first organizations I see involved. Now, the
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Speaker 1: CIA is extremely active within South Africa for many reasons,
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Speaker 1: and so is Moussak. And you cannot speak about farm
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Speaker 1: murders and what I call the South African pogroms, which
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Speaker 1: is what took place in Russia back in the day
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Speaker 1: in the old USSR, under the Tsars to destabilize the
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Speaker 1: country so that there could be a revolution to overthrow
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Speaker 1: the Tsars at the time which was done by Bolsheviks
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Speaker 1: and if you actually look at the history of that
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Speaker 1: it's no different to South Africa so I believe that
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Speaker 1: many of these groups that want to raise awareness for
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Speaker 1: whether these farm attacks or whatever the case may be
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Speaker 1: they might miss the fact that the very countries that
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Speaker 1: they support might be behind those actions and You know, famously,
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Speaker 1: we actually found out through evidence that cell phone blockers
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Speaker 1: have been used in some of these farm attacks that
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Speaker 1: Mossad uses. And then you have to ask yourself, who
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Speaker 1: is actually behind the farm attack? Did these people get
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Speaker 1: these instruments by accident or did they get them exactly
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Speaker 1: where they come from? And When I see these attacks
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Speaker 1: in informal settlements, for instance, these mass shootings, it makes
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Speaker 1: no sense. Where people indiscriminately walk into a tavern or
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Speaker 1: public gathering area and indiscriminately just shoot at people. That
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Speaker 1: is what happened during the destabilization phase within... the Russia
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Speaker 1: that was run by the Tsars, where places were just
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Speaker 1: set alight, people were just massacred. And there was no reason.
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Speaker 1: People couldn't understand what was happening. And it's very destabilizing.
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Speaker 1: It's extremely dangerous. And it divides. And dividing people is
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Speaker 1: a very powerful tool. And this is the problem with
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Speaker 1: the White Cross project, that the people might have the
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Speaker 1: best intentions. There should be no one killed on a farm.
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Speaker 1: There should be no one killed in the country. The
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Speaker 1: fact that the access you speak of to the White
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Speaker 1: House is there is not because these people lobbied the US.
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Speaker 1: It's because the US is benefiting from the situation.
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Speaker 2: So let me premise this by saying I received a
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Speaker 2: huge amount of pushback on X.
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Speaker 1: I made the following comment.
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Speaker 2: More or less in these words, I said I support
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Speaker 2: in principle the idea of raising awareness around pharma tax
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Speaker 2: because that can lead to pressure and.
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Speaker 1: The correct pressure towards our government.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I feel somewhat uneasy about
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Speaker 2: the campaign.
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Speaker 1: I would agree with you on that. You're very brave
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Speaker 1: to put that out on the slaughter sphere because that
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Speaker 1: is where you get ripped to shreds by people with
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Speaker 1: access to the internet. they probably have very low IQs
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Speaker 1: and actually don't look at the bigger picture. So they
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Speaker 1: are hell-bent through the mainstream narratives on a specific trajectory
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Speaker 1: of thought. They don't look wider to look at evidence.
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Speaker 1: And this is one of the greatest problems in the
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Speaker 1: world right now is that most of the information people
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Speaker 1: process in their minds is not evidence-based. I, for instance,
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Speaker 1: saw someone earlier post a picture on Facebook, just as
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Speaker 1: an example, and this is not against or for any
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Speaker 1: religious idea, but that Noah's Ark has been found in Turkey. Now,
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Speaker 1: this happened a long time ago as well through Ron
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Speaker 1: Wyatt that went through the same process. The site has
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Speaker 1: been scanned so many times. And people are now saying
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Speaker 1: it's now unequivocal that Noah's Ark has been discovered, which
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Speaker 1: is not the case. Not even the people working there
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Speaker 1: now has claimed that they have definitively found it. But
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Speaker 1: people are sharing this everywhere. I'm just trying to prove
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Speaker 1: a point here that people don't look at the facts.
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Speaker 1: They didn't go to the scientists that's involved in the
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Speaker 1: scans or whatever's happening there. and listen to what they
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Speaker 1: had to say. When they say we found some organic material,
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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden it's wood, when it hasn't
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Speaker 1: been definitively described as wood. All of a sudden, cavities
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Speaker 1: that are seen now becomes passages and rooms, when that's
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Speaker 1: not what any of the people said at all. So
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Speaker 1: things get added on based on the bias that a
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Speaker 1: person has. Now the same thing with a white cross project.
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Speaker 1: The problem, I believe, the ANC government, and the ANC government,
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Speaker 1: I believe, was put there by the state of Israel,
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Speaker 1: was created by the state of Israel, the same as
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Speaker 1: the apartheid government, to destroy the country. Let's just put
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Speaker 1: that out there to begin with, okay? So the African
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Speaker 1: National Congress died in the 1930s. The original conservative group
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Speaker 1: of people that wanted to advocate for the concerns of
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Speaker 1: African people. That organization ceased to exist, and a new
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Speaker 1: organization was formed in the 1940s. And you can enter
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Speaker 1: the apartheid government at the same time. This is relevant
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Speaker 1: to what we will be talking about now. So you
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Speaker 1: are looking at the same people orchestrating the creation of
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Speaker 1: a new African National Congress with new ideals, new goals,
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Speaker 1: The first ANC did not believe in an armed struggle
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Speaker 1: at all. All of a sudden now, you have terrorism.
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Speaker 1: You have people being organized. You have weapons being supplied.
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Speaker 1: And you have the Roy Gefahr and all sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: In the South African apartheid government, you now have a
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Speaker 1: government established in 1948 that was orchestrated. If you look
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Speaker 1: at that history, all the telltale signs are there. to 1994,
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Speaker 1: you will see the same involvement of the Anglo-American bloc
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Speaker 1: and the state of Israel. You know, I did my
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Speaker 1: national service at the Test, Flight and Development Center, and
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Speaker 1: I'll get back to why this is relevant to the
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Speaker 1: White Cross project just now. And Israel and the U.S.
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Speaker 1: was fully aware of the secret site at the Test,
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Speaker 1: Flight and Development Center near Barad-Azhar. They were working with
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Speaker 1: our military. This is no secret. Israel was working with
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Speaker 1: our um, creating intercontinental ballistic missiles. And the U S
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Speaker 1: pretended not to know about when they were intricately involved. Well,
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Speaker 1: hang on. The state of Israel runs the U S. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Let me just jump in. I want to just add
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Speaker 2: to what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Uh, Quote, we created the South African arms industry, unquote.
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Speaker 2: That's the former Israeli ambassador to South Africa, Alon Leal.
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Speaker 1: He is 100% correct. So these things aren't hidden, Jeremy.
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Speaker 1: They are in the open for those that are willing
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Speaker 1: to see. I always say those that have ears to
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Speaker 1: hear and eyes to see will see it. It's in
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Speaker 1: the open. Our nuclear weapons project was created with the
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Speaker 1: help of Israel. And I mean, we had spies gaining
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Speaker 1: access to information, et cetera, with the old SAS back
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Speaker 1: in the day to get all the information that we
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Speaker 1: needed to build nuclear weapons. We built the cheapest nuclear
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Speaker 1: weapons ever constructed, even although it was a normal gun
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Speaker 1: type or trigger type device. We did it cheaply. The
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Speaker 1: rest of the world spent a fortune to build the
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Speaker 1: same thing. South Africa was absolutely used as a place
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Speaker 1: to produce weapons that Israel could then base their manufacturing
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Speaker 1: of nuclear weapons on. And you know, they won't admit
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Speaker 1: that they are a nuclear state, but we all know
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Speaker 1: that they are. So let's just get that out of
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Speaker 1: the way. When it comes to the White Cross project,
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Speaker 1: The African National Congress will not acknowledge that there's a
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Speaker 1: white genocide taking place. And they fear that if they
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Speaker 1: acknowledge that farm murders are a targeted thing, that it
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Speaker 1: is equated to white genocide, which is exactly what Trump
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Speaker 1: has called it. So can you see the narrative starting
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Speaker 1: to play out here? Now, I don't have a position
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Speaker 1: on whether people want to call it a white genocide
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Speaker 1: or not, because People are being slaughtered on a daily
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Speaker 1: basis in this country, in their droves.
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Speaker 2: I don't think there is a white genocide in South Africa, Des.
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Speaker 2: I don't see it at all.
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Speaker 1: And this is why the narrative is problematic, Jeremy, because
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Speaker 1: Trump is looking for a way to gain more control here,
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Speaker 1: and he needs the buy-in from his public. He supports
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Speaker 1: his base to have more intervention in South Africa. after,
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Speaker 1: especially after the ICJ case. 100%. So now these South
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Speaker 1: African entities, and I'm not even going to name them.
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Speaker 1: I hope you forgive me for that. I don't even
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Speaker 1: want to say their names, that are involved in the
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Speaker 1: White Cross project that want to do this in the
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Speaker 1: United States. The first thing they do not realize is
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Speaker 1: that is not our country. I did a poll on
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Speaker 1: my YouTube channel, Jeremy, where 80% of the respondents said
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Speaker 1: that they would welcome U.S. troops on the ground for
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Speaker 1: a full takeover of South Africa. Yeah, I did the same.
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Speaker 1: I was shocked. Me too, I got the same response.
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Speaker 1: So these people are living in South Africa, but they don't,
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Speaker 1: because of the African National Congress, created by the very
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Speaker 1: same people that run Donald Trump's government, they want the U.S.
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Speaker 1: to come and take over here. That's a deep CIA
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Speaker 1: Mossad operation and it has worked like clockwork. So you're
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Speaker 1: sitting with most of your typical Democratic Alliance supporters and
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Speaker 1: even Freedom Front Plus supporters. And this is not an
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Speaker 1: attack on the party. I'm talking about the supporter base
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Speaker 1: that would want the U.S. to intervene in what is
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Speaker 1: supposed to be a sovereign country, South Africa. And that
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Speaker 1: is treason. It's high treason, in fact. So do we
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Speaker 1: actually have a government that is sovereign? I don't believe that.
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Speaker 1: Do we have a real democracy in South Africa? I
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Speaker 1: don't believe that because the Anglo-American bloc and these same
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Speaker 1: influences created the 1994 transition, helped write our current constitution
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Speaker 1: that gives power to who and what. International institutions, large corporations,
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Speaker 1: the Anglo-American bloc, to extract minerals for as long as
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Speaker 1: is necessary. And, you know, I have evidence for this.
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Speaker 1: I saw something with my own eyes, Jeremy, and I
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Speaker 1: hope you allow me to tell this quick story of
14:42
Speaker 1: when I was in the military, at the Test, Flight
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Speaker 1: and Development Centre, I was asked to go to an
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Speaker 1: event at Parliament. I had no idea what it was for.
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Speaker 1: It was myself and another airman that actually got the
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Speaker 1: military bucky and we could drive down to Cape Town
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Speaker 1: and arrive at this event. And our job was to
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Speaker 1: be dressed up in our fancy tunics, which is the
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Speaker 1: best military garb, and stand at the tables of people
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Speaker 1: present at a dinner after Margaret Thatcher was handed the
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Speaker 1: Order of the Cape of Guru. So she was handed
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Speaker 1: that award by F.W. de Klerk. This was just after
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Speaker 1: basically Puk Boerta was incapacitated. And F.W. de Klerk shocked me.
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Speaker 1: Because when I saw him the first time at that dinner,
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Speaker 1: which was afterwards, so they had this huge room full
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Speaker 1: with massive round tables with people sitting at the tables,
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Speaker 1: and I was assigned to the head table. So I
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Speaker 1: was at the table where F.W. de Klerk sat and
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Speaker 1: where Margaret Thatcher sat. And there I saw the power
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Speaker 1: dynamics in the country. So no one must come and
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Speaker 1: tell me that when I was a 19-year-old boy that
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Speaker 1: my eyes deceived me because in that very specific dinner,
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Speaker 1: I saw Margaret Thatcher's husband, Sir Dennis, crawl on the ground,
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Speaker 1: drunk as a skunk. I'm going to say it openly now.
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Speaker 1: Sorry to the people in Britain, but he asked to
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Speaker 1: order an extra case of beers to his room after
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Speaker 1: we had to carry him out of there. But Margaret Thatcher,
16:25
Speaker 1: He's the person that surprised me. She was extremely upright.
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Speaker 1: She had this large hairdo. She was very tall, something
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Speaker 1: that really surprised me. And opposite the table where she sat,
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Speaker 1: on the opposite side, sat F.W. Leclerc. Now, these tables
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Speaker 1: were so large that they couldn't communicate with each other.
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Speaker 1: So even although they sat opposite each other, there was
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Speaker 1: no communication taking place between them. And I'll never forget
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Speaker 1: him slouching in his seat, smoking a cigar. at the
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Speaker 1: dinner table, with all these dignitaries. But what was most
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Speaker 1: important is who sat next to Margaret Thatcher, on either
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Speaker 1: side of her. On the one side of her sat
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Speaker 1: Harry Oppenheimer, and on the other side sat Anton Rupert. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's the first time I saw these people in real life.
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Speaker 1: I'd seen them in newspapers, etc. And because of my
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Speaker 1: father being very outspoken politically, I knew who they were.
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Speaker 1: And that entire evening, their discussion, because I stood closest
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Speaker 1: to them, was about the transition in 1994 and how
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Speaker 1: are we going to ensure that the mines can keep
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Speaker 1: on extracting the minerals and how are we going to
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Speaker 1: keep the economy the way that it should be so
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Speaker 1: that the large corporations, the Anglo-American bloc, can keep on
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Speaker 1: extracting what they have been. That was their only concern.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in other words, end apartheid, but don't change
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Speaker 2: who controls the mining sector at all.
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Speaker 1: So de Klerk was clearly just a pawn, a political
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Speaker 1: pawn that had a job to do. He had not
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Speaker 1: a single word to say that evening with anyone else.
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Speaker 1: He was the most pathetic person I'd ever seen at
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Speaker 1: a seated table like that. Margaret Thatcher was larger than life.
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Speaker 1: She controlled the narrative. Whether people agree with her or
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Speaker 1: not is not the point here. It's about her demeanor.
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Speaker 1: She carried the room. You could see her presence. And
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Speaker 1: so was Anton Rupert. Harry Oppenheimer is a small guy,
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Speaker 1: so he wasn't that tall in stature. But they were
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Speaker 1: seriously discussing the transition. If you look at the Constitution
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Speaker 1: being written, who decided how it needs to be written,
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Speaker 1: the political system that needed to be created, all of
18:49
Speaker 1: those things, it ties back to what is happening now
18:53
Speaker 1: in Washington, D.C., because Donald Trump is 100% beholden to
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Speaker 1: the state of Israel. He is their president. And, you know,
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Speaker 1: people that support the state of Israel, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: anti the state of Israel at all, I'm not anti-Palestine either.
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Speaker 1: I don't pick sides. I just speak about what I
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Speaker 1: see as evidence. Donald Trump is considered an Israeli president,
19:20
Speaker 1: just like many others before him, just like Joe Biden,
19:24
Speaker 1: just like the Bushes, because they served Israel's interests. Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: probably the most evident issue of the U.S., and he's
19:34
Speaker 1: received many awards because of this. So there was a
19:38
Speaker 1: deal made. struck recently with the current Zulu King for
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Speaker 1: a massive, more than a billion dollar development in China.
19:50
Speaker 1: KwaZulu-Natal for a new, not just data center hub, but
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Speaker 1: a new Silicon Valley for Africa. And you know, I've
20:01
Speaker 1: spoken about that at length, how the Zulu Kingdom will
20:03
Speaker 1: be destroyed, I kid you not, it was two months
20:06
Speaker 1: after I spoke about that on my tours around the
20:09
Speaker 1: country during the COVID-19 campaign that King Goodwill's relatively passed
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Speaker 1: on and then soon after the Queen. So it was
20:17
Speaker 1: quite shocking that this thing that I predicted was going
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Speaker 1: to happen, happened in the worst possible way. And I'm
20:25
Speaker 1: not going to go into all the detail of how
20:27
Speaker 1: all the Zulu princes and princesses are courted by international courts.
20:33
Speaker 1: global families and entities, especially the Rothschilds, making sure that
20:39
Speaker 1: they are educated in ways that serves their interest, which
20:45
Speaker 1: has now led to where we are at the moment.
20:47
Speaker 1: I actually had an appointment to meet with us looking.
20:52
Speaker 1: It was a Monday evening and I canceled my flights
20:54
Speaker 1: at the last minute because I realized that this could
20:58
Speaker 1: really affect me badly in future and that I first
21:02
Speaker 1: needed to see where his allegiance is like before I
21:05
Speaker 1: decide to meet. And I was right. My call was
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Speaker 1: right then. He's basically selling out the Zulu kingdom to
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Speaker 1: these tech elite. And South Africa is a key part
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Speaker 1: of the global enclave plans. And not just the Western Cape,
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Speaker 1: but Cape Town specifically, the Atlantic seaboard is an enclave.
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Speaker 1: And the tech elite discuss this openly. And there's many
21:35
Speaker 1: places and farms that the tech elite have bought in
21:40
Speaker 1: the Karua and the Kalahari and various other places in
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Speaker 1: South Africa where they are building infrastructure for doomsday. Why
21:49
Speaker 1: would they do that? Build underground bunkers, etc. So there's
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Speaker 1: a keen interest in South Africa which concerns me. an
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Speaker 1: announcement that we want to have a Formula One Grand
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Speaker 1: Prix in Cape Town instead of at Kaiolami, when it
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Speaker 1: will cost a lot more money, it tells me that
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Speaker 1: in the future of South Africa, the elite plan a
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Speaker 1: different outcome to what many South African citizens might actually consider.
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Speaker 1: And that this White Cross project and all these entities
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Speaker 1: working with a foreign state to try and influence what
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Speaker 1: is happening in South Africa, is maybe benefiting the foreign
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Speaker 1: state and not the people of South Africa. And I
22:34
Speaker 1: could probably talk about that for hours. I mean, all
22:37
Speaker 1: the different things that the US want. They want access
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Speaker 1: to the southern tip of Africa.
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Speaker 2: But that's That's kind of what I was alluding to
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Speaker 2: in the beginning when I said the White Cross project
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Speaker 2: makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable. I'm not actually
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Speaker 2: talking about the farm attacks. I think that's just the front.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about what's below the surface.
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Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing. I made one video on that
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Speaker 1: in the past where I specified that they are meant
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Speaker 1: to shock and be heinous and divide people.
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Speaker 2: And the problem is it's such an emotional topic that
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Speaker 2: you can't actually have the conversation that you and I
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Speaker 2: are trying to have.
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Speaker 1: But we are having it nonetheless. Very brave to do so, Jeremy,
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Speaker 1: I must say.
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Speaker 2: What concerns me a little bit, though, is the fact
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Speaker 2: that the United States doesn't have, and Israel, and in
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Speaker 2: fact the entire Western bloc, don't have a very good
23:34
Speaker 2: history of regime change, shall we say. We've seen these
23:39
Speaker 2: attempts happen before. throughout history, and it never works out
23:42
Speaker 2: well for those in the regime, quote unquote. It's about
23:47
Speaker 2: who benefits. And I wonder if the U.S. is allowing
23:52
Speaker 2: all of this to occur because it sees South Africa
23:55
Speaker 2: as a strategic point.
23:59
Speaker 1: 100%. South Africa is strategic to the U.S., especially when
24:06
Speaker 1: it comes to rare earth minerals and many other things.
24:10
Speaker 1: So when Donald Trump tells the world we don't need
24:13
Speaker 1: anything from anyone else, and then the next week he's
24:16
Speaker 1: signing deals with many African countries because he's not on
24:18
Speaker 1: a good footing with South Africa, and all of a
24:21
Speaker 1: sudden there's U.S. investment in South African companies that have
24:24
Speaker 1: found ways to actually process rare earth minerals fast, then
24:30
Speaker 1: what he's saying and what is happening on the ground
24:32
Speaker 1: are two different things. The US needs South Africa, has
24:39
Speaker 1: needed South Africa. The Anglo-American bloc has been siphoning money
24:44
Speaker 1: out of our fiscus since forever. Do you really believe
24:47
Speaker 1: that Jacob Zuma is sitting with billions of rams in
24:50
Speaker 1: his bank account? Do you actually believe that? Because this
24:56
Speaker 1: is the idea that most South Africans are sitting with.
25:01
Speaker 1: Billions of rands in a bank doesn't exist to begin with, okay?
25:05
Speaker 1: It's just a ledger. That's all it is. So there
25:08
Speaker 1: is not a single person in the African National Congress
25:12
Speaker 1: or any affiliate to them or in the DA, the EFF,
25:15
Speaker 1: I don't care where it is, that has stolen billions
25:17
Speaker 1: of rands. Only large foreign countries can steal billions of rands. Des,
25:25
Speaker 1: all of the groups, and.
25:26
Speaker 2: As you said earlier, we won't mention names, but all
25:28
Speaker 2: of the groups involved in the White Cross project are A,
25:32
Speaker 2: pro-Israel and B, not related to farming.
25:36
Speaker 1: Correct. That should tell you a lot. And I think
25:42
Speaker 1: the fact that you picked up on that proves that
25:45
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to someone with a higher level of intellect
25:49
Speaker 1: beyond the mainstream narrative. And that is really nice. I
25:54
Speaker 1: battle to find people I can have good conversations with.
25:57
Speaker 1: I actually spoke to a lady yesterday and we had
25:59
Speaker 1: an awesome conversation and I said it's such a relief
26:01
Speaker 1: that I can speak to someone that understands things at
26:05
Speaker 1: a level that just makes sense. It's really, it makes
26:11
Speaker 1: me feel good to speak to someone that comes up
26:14
Speaker 1: with points like this. Because often I feel very alone, Jeremy,
26:17
Speaker 1: to be honest. Besides the supporters that I have, which
26:22
Speaker 1: are thousands, your audience want to listen to things that,
26:29
Speaker 1: isn't in the mainstream media. And that makes you unique.
26:31
Speaker 1: And I absolutely love that. The fact that you picked
26:34
Speaker 1: up on those two things, that's what matters. I often
26:38
Speaker 1: say it's the things people do not ask, the questions
26:41
Speaker 1: people do not ask. And you just asked, why are
26:45
Speaker 1: these people not affiliated to farming? It's because they don't
26:48
Speaker 1: care about farming. When people say, but the farmer's this
26:50
Speaker 1: and the farmer's that, most of these farmers export their produce.
26:56
Speaker 1: It's not even being used in South Africa. So the
26:59
Speaker 1: only thing that contribute towards the economy, and especially I'm
27:03
Speaker 1: speaking of the mega farmers, is labor. And a lot
27:07
Speaker 1: of them use foreign labor because they are cheaper. So
27:12
Speaker 1: a local farmer looking after his community or smaller scale
27:19
Speaker 1: farmers is a very different ballgame to the large Rothschild
27:24
Speaker 1: funded land bank, et cetera, operation that started the massive
27:31
Speaker 1: South African farming that supplies the rest of the world,
27:35
Speaker 1: other interest places, not South Africans. We do not get
27:39
Speaker 1: the best produce from this country. That's just not the case.
27:45
Speaker 1: This whole thing of Chinese are enemy, Russia is our enemy,
27:48
Speaker 1: it's all nonsense because Russia and China and the US
27:52
Speaker 1: work together on so many projects behind the scenes all
27:55
Speaker 1: the time. So how are they enemies? It's nonsense. It's nonsense, Jeremy.
28:05
Speaker 1: It's all to put fear into people so that we
28:07
Speaker 1: behave a certain way. Just like in South Africa, we
28:10
Speaker 1: had the Roy Gefahr. We weren't fighting the ANC at
28:14
Speaker 1: the borders. They were inside the country. Who were we
28:19
Speaker 1: fighting in the border war? A lot of people think
28:21
Speaker 1: we were fighting the ANC in Angola. I kid you not.
28:23
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the level of stupidity, unfortunately, that
28:27
Speaker 1: we have amongst our citizens because these are the things
28:30
Speaker 1: that they are told in school, at family barris, et cetera.
28:34
Speaker 1: People do not want to make the effort to look
28:37
Speaker 1: at the facts that are available to us, that we
28:41
Speaker 1: can all see. So when it comes to the U.S., China,
28:46
Speaker 1: and Russia, They are all part of the ITER project,
28:51
Speaker 1: where in France they are trying to build a large
28:55
Speaker 1: tokamak fusion reactor. The entire world is involved in it.
29:00
Speaker 1: So how are they fighting and wanting to kill each other?
29:02
Speaker 1: It's all theater. There is a committee of people that
29:09
Speaker 1: run the planet. And, you know, your audience might think
29:14
Speaker 1: that this is crazy. They don't have a name. But
29:17
Speaker 1: my father attended that committee meeting in 1984 in Geneva, Switzerland.
29:22
Speaker 1: And that meeting is held in the first week of
29:25
Speaker 1: January every year before the World Economic Forum gets their
29:29
Speaker 1: direction in what they are supposed to do. And, you know,
29:34
Speaker 1: he only once told me the meticulous detail of what
29:38
Speaker 1: was discussed there. But the one thing that stood out
29:43
Speaker 1: that proves the viability of the information that he had
29:46
Speaker 1: and the fact that I know that he was there
29:47
Speaker 1: because I have a letter in my possession that he
29:50
Speaker 1: received there in December of 1983 in Geneva, Switzerland. So
29:53
Speaker 1: I know he was there. I've got his passport to
29:55
Speaker 1: prove it. is he could tell me exactly how the
29:59
Speaker 1: COVID-19 pandemic was going to come about in detail in 2004,
30:05
Speaker 1: many years before it actually happened. He told me in
30:08
Speaker 1: detail how it was going to take place, how it
30:10
Speaker 1: was planned, how it was supposed to test the people
30:13
Speaker 1: of the world, how everyone was going to put under
30:16
Speaker 1: house arrest. Those were the words that he used. So
30:23
Speaker 1: it's just, To me, I have to look at the
30:27
Speaker 1: world from a level of a hierarchy where a group
30:31
Speaker 1: of people is calling the shots and the countries of
30:35
Speaker 1: the world, the governments of the world, are just the
30:39
Speaker 1: people that implement. Based on how they are funded, how
30:42
Speaker 1: they are blackmailed, and Donald Trump is doing what he's
30:44
Speaker 1: doing because he's being blackmailed. If Donald Trump does not
30:48
Speaker 1: do what Israel does, the amount of dirt that they
30:50
Speaker 1: will spill on him, there's nothing that can clean him afterwards.
30:55
Speaker 1: So that is why they have control over it.
30:57
Speaker 2: But, I mean, anybody can test what you're saying. Just
30:59
Speaker 2: go back to the COVID era. The whole world followed
31:02
Speaker 2: the same script.
31:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. And my dad told me the detail of
31:10
Speaker 1: where it will start in South Africa, how it would spread.
31:14
Speaker 1: The detail, when I saw the taxis, the videos of
31:17
Speaker 1: the taxis during Easter weekend, driving to the Eastern Cape
31:21
Speaker 1: during level five lockdown, where no one is supposed to
31:24
Speaker 1: move around and they were allowed through, I knew that
31:27
Speaker 1: this is what he was talking about in 2004. And
31:30
Speaker 1: I went cold because I thought he was absolutely crazy.
31:34
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to bring him into this, but
31:36
Speaker 1: it's important that there's He gave credibility to the fact
31:40
Speaker 1: that there is a higher body that control these governments.
31:43
Speaker 1: So when I look at BRICS, I still see the committee,
31:47
Speaker 1: and that's the easiest way to call them, or the
31:50
Speaker 1: Olympians or whatever you want to call them, that they
31:53
Speaker 1: control these governments. The governments don't ever say that the
31:57
Speaker 1: United Nations was formed post-1945. to compartmentalize countries so that
32:04
Speaker 1: you could form governments in those countries through various political
32:07
Speaker 1: systems to control them. And at the end of the day,
32:12
Speaker 1: the central axis of power needed to make sure, and
32:16
Speaker 1: Israel as a country, as a state, is central to this.
32:20
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with Jewish people. This has
32:22
Speaker 1: to do with the state of Israel, okay? And Zionism,
32:26
Speaker 1: which created the state of Israel. and the advocacy for
32:29
Speaker 1: a state of Israel. And at the end of the day,
32:32
Speaker 1: it's fermenting a final world war. That is the end plan.
32:39
Speaker 1: And people from South Africa going to the United States,
32:42
Speaker 1: playing into that narrative, even maybe innocently, I don't think
32:47
Speaker 1: the people that went there are deliberately trying to screw
32:50
Speaker 1: over the country, Jeremy. No, no, no, no.
32:53
Speaker 2: And I made that point also that they're all beaten people.
32:56
Speaker 2: I know a number of them. But decent or not,
33:00
Speaker 2: you can still be played.
33:03
Speaker 1: They are being played. And I would love to sit
33:05
Speaker 1: down with them and tell them what I know. I'm
33:07
Speaker 1: in a lot more detail that I'm willing to divulge
33:11
Speaker 1: here in a public platform. So, People need to know that, firstly,
33:16
Speaker 1: governments are a ruse at the moment. That can change
33:20
Speaker 1: because you can put systems in place that can change
33:23
Speaker 1: how governments operate. How those world powers will respond to
33:27
Speaker 1: that is a very different ballgame. And this comes back
33:30
Speaker 1: to the interest in South Africa. Why, when AI data
33:36
Speaker 1: center proliferation is massive around the world, while these AI
33:40
Speaker 1: companies are just making more and more debt, and there's
33:43
Speaker 1: not enough electricity to supply those data centers, why do
33:48
Speaker 1: these tech billionaires have a huge interest in South Africa,
33:52
Speaker 1: when ESCOM hasn't actually got surplus electricity? They say they
33:57
Speaker 1: do in cold reserve, but start that lot up and
34:00
Speaker 1: see what happens. They have plans for South Africa that
34:04
Speaker 1: does not include the citizens of South Africa. And Donald
34:06
Speaker 1: Trump needs those U.S. companies to get what they want here.
34:10
Speaker 1: And the DA is a big part of their plan.
34:13
Speaker 1: The Western Cape is a big part of their plan.
34:16
Speaker 1: So is KwaZulu-Natal. So you will see that I said
34:20
Speaker 1: three things will happen in South Africa. There will be
34:23
Speaker 1: the destruction of the Zulu Kingdom. Next, there will be
34:26
Speaker 1: the destruction of Eskom. I said this in 2020. And next,
34:30
Speaker 1: there will be a secession battle. That is where we
34:34
Speaker 1: are now. So in the secession battle, you are talking
34:38
Speaker 1: about foreign entities. I'm not talking about Cape Exit or
34:41
Speaker 1: any Mickey Mouse thing like that. I'm talking about serious money,
34:46
Speaker 1: intelligence infrastructure behind a concerted attempt to hijack entire regions
34:53
Speaker 1: of the country. And KwaZulu-Natal and the Western Cape are
34:58
Speaker 1: two of those battlegrounds. And it's a battleground for control.
35:03
Speaker 1: And it's a battleground for tech elite control. And they
35:06
Speaker 1: are winning. The DA is giving them what they want.
35:09
Speaker 1: And I believe I still need to see what the
35:12
Speaker 1: NKP says around that in KwaZulu-Natal. Because this is a
35:16
Speaker 1: deal that the Zulu King signed. for Ngonyama Trust land.
35:21
Speaker 1: I mean, that is massive.
35:24
Speaker 2: So just for clarity, for the international audience, the DA
35:27
Speaker 2: is the Democratic Alliance. It's the official opposition to the ANC.
35:32
Speaker 2: And as it happens, the DA... Oh, wait, Jeremy, it's
35:35
Speaker 2: not the official opposition.
35:36
Speaker 1: They are in bed with the ANC in a government,
35:39
Speaker 1: so-called government of national unity. Let's just say that because
35:42
Speaker 1: the ANC is not in power at the moment. But
35:47
Speaker 1: the DA is... They were the official opposition. Yes. Now
35:50
Speaker 1: they're in the same bed. The DA happens to be
35:53
Speaker 1: pro-Israel and pro-America. Correct. And.
35:59
Speaker 2: When we talk about regime change, which I think is
36:02
Speaker 2: linked to the White Cross project.
36:04
Speaker 1: 100%.
36:06
Speaker 2: What is it that people want if they asked the ANC?
36:10
Speaker 2: Do they want to put the DA in?
36:13
Speaker 1: I can actually tell you that the leader of the
36:17
Speaker 1: DA now is always going to become the DA leader,
36:19
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. I'll mention his name. I've met with Jordan.
36:23
Speaker 1: I've had discussions with Jordan one-on-one. An intelligent man. He
36:28
Speaker 1: was earmarked. from a very young age, put through his
36:32
Speaker 1: studies to become a politician for this day, and he
36:35
Speaker 1: knows that. He attended a meeting in Africa for regime
36:40
Speaker 1: change in South Africa. So it's all been planned meticulously.
36:46
Speaker 1: And just understand, it's not the Democratic Alliance, which used
36:49
Speaker 1: to be the official opposition planning this. They are just
36:53
Speaker 1: a vehicle to achieve this objective. And it's working. And
37:00
Speaker 1: many other movements, without knowing it, might be contributing towards this,
37:04
Speaker 1: like the exit referendum and things like that. These people
37:09
Speaker 1: are all contributing. And, you know, when the CIA is
37:13
Speaker 1: involved in operations like that, you just stoke things, you
37:17
Speaker 1: change algorithms on social media platforms, and you can really
37:21
Speaker 1: proliferate something quite easily. And then you just clamp down
37:27
Speaker 1: on dissenters.
37:29
Speaker 2: So a project like the White Cross project, which has
37:33
Speaker 2: good intentions, is also being used.
37:39
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the good intentions part because the
37:42
Speaker 1: intention is to overthrow the South African government, which is
37:45
Speaker 1: the African National Congress. And I think most of the
37:48
Speaker 1: movements involved do back the Freedom Front Plus movement. This
37:55
Speaker 1: is not an attack on the Freedom Front Plus at all,
37:58
Speaker 1: but I think basically they are center-right, which is what
38:02
Speaker 1: the ANC was back in the day. But hold on
38:06
Speaker 1: a second. You're not defending the ANC, surely? No, I'm not.
38:10
Speaker 1: Not at all. The ANC of today is not the
38:13
Speaker 1: ANC that died in 1930 at all. The ANC of
38:17
Speaker 1: today was created by the state of, or the people
38:21
Speaker 1: that created the state of Israel around about the same time.
38:25
Speaker 1: So the ANC, the modern ANC, is a creation for
38:29
Speaker 1: a purpose.
38:32
Speaker 2: Okay, but let me just see if I'm following. The
38:35
Speaker 2: White Cross project on the surface then is about pharma tax,
38:39
Speaker 2: but if you dig a little bit deeper, it's actually
38:41
Speaker 2: a signal for regime change in South Africa.
38:44
Speaker 1: Correct, 100%. And I actually said to my supporters that
38:53
Speaker 1: people mustn't be surprised If certain things aren't done in
38:57
Speaker 1: South Africa now, and if the African National Congress, because
39:01
Speaker 1: there are dissenters within the African National Congress that do
39:03
Speaker 1: not want certain things to happen, and the Jacob Zuma
39:08
Speaker 1: clan or group was part of that. There's a few
39:10
Speaker 1: others as well that are divided on these things. They
39:14
Speaker 1: do not want to follow the globalist Agenda 2030 plan
39:19
Speaker 1: of the United Nations or the National Development Plan 2030 plan.
39:24
Speaker 1: because he actually understands where it's going. Jacob Zuma famously
39:28
Speaker 1: stopped a lot of fifth generation technology or 5G for years.
39:33
Speaker 1: He did this deliberately. Another thing he did was stop
39:37
Speaker 1: the mass production of gold in the country. And his
39:40
Speaker 1: presidency had dropped. It absolutely plummeted. Now, is that a
39:45
Speaker 1: bad thing or is he keeping the gold in the soil?
39:51
Speaker 1: Just a question, you know?
39:52
Speaker 2: I remember during COVID when he was interviewed by the
39:56
Speaker 2: media whether or not he had the vaccine and he
39:59
Speaker 2: laughed and he said no. And I have a suspicion
40:02
Speaker 2: he would have handled the COVID thing a bit better
40:05
Speaker 2: than our current president.
40:07
Speaker 1: Probably. And it's not that I trust Jacob Zuma or
40:10
Speaker 1: that I support Jacob Zuma. I'm just looking at the
40:14
Speaker 1: evidence that I see on the ground, okay? We don't
40:17
Speaker 1: have any good politicians that I'm aware of that is
40:19
Speaker 1: in government right now. most of them that are there
40:23
Speaker 1: are being funded by the very same people, organizations, large
40:27
Speaker 1: corporations that caused the change in South Africa, that had
40:32
Speaker 1: those meetings with Nelson Mandela to broker the deal for
40:37
Speaker 1: him to become the next president because he was chosen
40:40
Speaker 1: long before he was elected. And that happened in a
40:43
Speaker 1: meeting in Bishop's Court in our house. And MI6 was present,
40:48
Speaker 1: the CIA was present, Mossad was present, so were the Oppenheimers.
40:52
Speaker 1: So our country is not democratic. There's nothing democratic about it.
40:57
Speaker 1: The fact that we vote makes people believe that they
40:59
Speaker 1: have options. And maybe there are options now that people
41:03
Speaker 1: can actually vote for to change the status quo. And
41:07
Speaker 1: maybe there'll be more civil organizations fighting for that, like
41:12
Speaker 1: My Vote Counts and many other organizations that are saying, hey,
41:16
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with our political system. It looks like
41:19
Speaker 1: it's almost been set up for failure.
41:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's important to remember that if
41:25
Speaker 2: the U.S. is behind regime change in another country, It
41:31
Speaker 2: doesn't benefit the country. It benefits the U.S.
41:33
Speaker 1: A hundred percent. And it doesn't look good when it happens. Yeah.
41:38
Speaker 2: Sorry, let me carry on that line of thought and
41:40
Speaker 2: ask the following question.
41:41
Speaker 1: Does the U.S.
41:42
Speaker 2: Actually care about South African farmers?
41:46
Speaker 1: Not at all. It's a means to an end. It's
41:49
Speaker 1: all it is. And I've said that for the longest time.
41:53
Speaker 1: And once again, I can say that through evidence. When
41:57
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said that South African citizens can come there
42:01
Speaker 1: as refugees to the US, who is gaining anything? He is.
42:09
Speaker 1: He's gaining people from South Africa that can be helpful
42:12
Speaker 1: to the American economy. How is South Africa gaining from that?
42:16
Speaker 1: How is that him looking after the farmers here? People
42:21
Speaker 1: that don't see that obvious intricacy, I don't know how
42:27
Speaker 1: to convince them because there's an intellectual issue with understanding
42:33
Speaker 1: what is actually happening. When you take people from a
42:36
Speaker 1: country that benefits you, you're not the savior. You've just
42:40
Speaker 1: screwed over the country because you've removed good taxpaying obedient citizens.
42:47
Speaker 1: That's all you've done.
42:48
Speaker 2: Let me play devil's advocate because I've had this thrown
42:53
Speaker 2: at me now a number of times over the last
42:55
Speaker 2: few days. But Jerm, okay, so what's wrong with U.S.
43:00
Speaker 2: intervention in South Africa? It's better than what we have now.
43:07
Speaker 1: That is what a lot of people say, and I
43:09
Speaker 1: actually alluded to that earlier. What is the U.S. interest
43:13
Speaker 1: in South Africa, and how long has it been there?
43:16
Speaker 1: It's not new. It is still there. the African National Congress,
43:22
Speaker 1: the government that we have now within the GNU, there's
43:28
Speaker 1: factions that want to break that tradition in history. And
43:34
Speaker 1: because of people wanting to break that tradition in history,
43:39
Speaker 1: The U.S. now has a problem, so they need to
43:42
Speaker 1: strengthen the Western Cape, especially Cape Town, make sure that
43:46
Speaker 1: it's a DA, a Democratic Alliance stronghold, and that they
43:50
Speaker 1: will hold the fort for U.S. needs. And when John
43:54
Speaker 1: Stenazin went and visited the U.S., and you'll remember how
43:57
Speaker 1: upset Cyril Mapoza was over this, because he went there
44:01
Speaker 1: as the DA leader, what is he doing there? When
44:10
Speaker 1: the Democratic Alliance sends an entourage, this is a party
44:14
Speaker 1: within the country, this is not the South African government,
44:17
Speaker 1: sends a group of people to the United States, there's
44:20
Speaker 1: something fundamentally wrong with it. It means that they are
44:24
Speaker 1: not fighting for South Africa. They are fighting for U.S. interests.
44:29
Speaker 2: So it's important to remember that during apartheid, U.S., British,
44:35
Speaker 2: Israeli interests were very strong in South Africa. They had
44:39
Speaker 2: a lot of control over our resource sector. Whether or
44:43
Speaker 2: not they supported apartheid is irrelevant. They did support it,
44:45
Speaker 2: and then they didn't. But one thing is for certain.
44:48
Speaker 1: Verbally, they made as if they didn't. But if you
44:52
Speaker 1: look at the weapons manufacturing and everything that happened behind
44:54
Speaker 1: the scenes, and I don't want to get into detail there,
44:56
Speaker 1: it's too dangerous. That continued. All along, even although they
45:01
Speaker 1: were rebuking apartheid, they were still supporting apartheid government in
45:05
Speaker 1: weapons manufacturing and development.
45:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I was going to say is, even
45:10
Speaker 2: though the system changed, I read a data point the
45:14
Speaker 2: other day that said that in 1994, when South Africa
45:17
Speaker 2: officially became, quote unquote, a democracy, over 50% of the
45:22
Speaker 2: entire private sector was controlled by Anglo-American.
45:26
Speaker 1: Correct. And today, if you look at the people that
45:32
Speaker 1: control everything you need for the state to survive and
45:36
Speaker 1: the people to survive within the state, the citizens, there's
45:39
Speaker 1: four people that control that. And those four people have
45:44
Speaker 1: given power to proxies to control even more, which includes
45:52
Speaker 1: Patrice Mutsepe, includes Cyril Ramaphosa and other people. But those
45:57
Speaker 1: people are Niki Oppenheimer now. Then you have Becker from NASPAS.
46:05
Speaker 1: You have Christo Wieser, ShopRite Checkers, etc. And you have
46:09
Speaker 1: Johan Rupert. If you look at those four people and
46:14
Speaker 1: everything they own and run, that is the country. The
46:19
Speaker 1: whole country. Christovisa controls the entire food supply chain. So
46:24
Speaker 1: what ShopRite and Checkers did and all the other, and PEP,
46:28
Speaker 1: is make sure that it's cheaper to buy clothing at
46:32
Speaker 1: PEP or at ShopRite or at Checkers for food than
46:36
Speaker 1: for you to produce it in your own garden. So
46:38
Speaker 1: what did that do? It created a reliant citizenry, citizens
46:43
Speaker 1: that rely on those large corporations. It was a brilliant plan. Brilliant.
46:48
Speaker 1: Then you look at the Rupperts. Addiction is extremely important
46:52
Speaker 1: to control a nation. And I can go into a
46:54
Speaker 1: lot more detail. I can go into the history of
46:57
Speaker 1: what Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati, wrote
47:02
Speaker 1: in his initial edicts, what needs to happen to control
47:05
Speaker 1: a state. And South Africa is a textbook example of that.
47:10
Speaker 1: So the Rupperts didn't only have the alcohol industry and
47:14
Speaker 1: the tobacco industry in their grasp. They did weapons manufacturing
47:19
Speaker 1: because my father worked for them on the Exocet missile
47:22
Speaker 1: project that we then ended up selling to Argentina. And
47:27
Speaker 1: they used that with a Mirage aircraft to sink the
47:31
Speaker 1: Sheffield during the Falkland Wars. And now they stalk of
47:34
Speaker 1: war again with Falklands because of Trump's empowerment. So you
47:38
Speaker 1: can see this whole attack of Sovereign territory starting to happen,
47:44
Speaker 1: more control over areas. Trump controlling more people that support
47:48
Speaker 1: Trump than being given the right to control more. Because
47:53
Speaker 1: Britain has changed a lot. They were useful idiots, even
47:57
Speaker 1: when they attacked South Africa in the 1800s. When they
48:01
Speaker 1: came here in 1820, the first settlers and the first
48:04
Speaker 1: British troops walked into South Africa and they tried to
48:07
Speaker 1: get control of all the mining industries here. Who funded
48:10
Speaker 1: that operation? The Rothschilds funded it. When the Beers was
48:15
Speaker 1: formed later, who owned most of the shares in the Beers?
48:20
Speaker 1: The Rothschilds owned 80% of the shares. So the Oppenheimers
48:26
Speaker 1: were empowered.
48:28
Speaker 2: And by the way, the architect of apartheid actually was
48:35
Speaker 2: Cecil Rhodes, a Freemason.
48:37
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, well, it's not just Masonic. He founded his
48:41
Speaker 1: own secret society. I don't think we have to delve
48:44
Speaker 1: into that now. What you need to understand is our
48:49
Speaker 1: history and what is playing out now with the White
48:52
Speaker 1: Cross project was meticulously planned out a long time ago
48:57
Speaker 1: because the Boers or the Afrikaners, who was a creation,
49:02
Speaker 1: a British creation, And the Zulu kingdom, the Zulu nation,
49:08
Speaker 1: was the greatest threat to Anglo-Americans' control in the country.
49:13
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a losing battle. If you
49:16
Speaker 1: look at what's happening in the rest of the world now,
49:18
Speaker 1: the techie league would not invest money here, move a
49:22
Speaker 1: Formula One track from Joburg to Cape Town if they
49:26
Speaker 1: didn't think there was a future here. Insert trouble in
49:33
Speaker 1: the Middle East, trouble in Europe, war, chaos. which makes
49:40
Speaker 1: the southern tip of Africa very, very attractive. Yeah, especially
49:46
Speaker 1: with that shipping route. Correct. If you look at the
49:51
Speaker 1: internet cables that runs through South Africa and where they
49:57
Speaker 1: hook up, you will see why the Western Cape, especially
50:00
Speaker 1: Cape Town, Malpours, Danefontein area, and Waikoso Natal is crucial
50:06
Speaker 1: to the tech elite. Insert the state of Israel, insert Jerusalem,
50:14
Speaker 1: insert the underground facility that they built there, the same
50:18
Speaker 1: as they're building at the White House now under their ballroom.
50:22
Speaker 1: And Trump admitted it, the data center that is nuke-proof,
50:27
Speaker 1: so that they can still monitor, track, and trace every
50:30
Speaker 1: movement on planet Earth. And the reason why this is important,
50:36
Speaker 1: it's not because I say any of those things will happen.
50:39
Speaker 1: It's because it shows you what these people are planning.
50:44
Speaker 1: If you listen to many of the people in the
50:46
Speaker 1: Trump administration, and he hasn't got a religious bone in
50:49
Speaker 1: his body, okay? So Trump is not religious. He's just
50:53
Speaker 1: playing to what they want. And most people believe now
50:58
Speaker 1: the second coming is happening very soon, whether you are
51:00
Speaker 1: religious or not. That is happening now. And that they,
51:06
Speaker 1: through their wars, need to fulfill it. So what's happening in,
51:09
Speaker 1: I want to call it, the old Persian Empire, instead
51:13
Speaker 1: of Iran, I think it's a better term, is the
51:16
Speaker 1: destruction of that empire. And this is why Trump is
51:19
Speaker 1: all bent on saying that the entire civilization, they need
51:22
Speaker 1: to be destroyed. Because it's something that the state of
51:27
Speaker 1: Israel wants. It's like a sacrifice. It's like a token.
51:32
Speaker 1: And If you look at the Greater Israel Project, where
51:35
Speaker 1: they want to expand their borders, they need the United
51:39
Speaker 1: States to support what they are doing. And the thing is,
51:43
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Russia and China is
51:47
Speaker 1: doing nothing about it. It's all just theater. The people
51:51
Speaker 1: of the world needs to think that there's going to
51:53
Speaker 1: be this big bash because of their beliefs. And the
51:57
Speaker 1: three Abrahamic religions were set up beautifully especially since the 1700s,
52:03
Speaker 1: late 1700s, to believe that there's going to be this
52:06
Speaker 1: religious clash in the Middle East. And we are being
52:09
Speaker 1: set up for that eventuality now. And it doesn't have
52:13
Speaker 1: to happen. These people are self-fulfilling prophecy.
52:18
Speaker 2: There's a strange irony. They talk about self-determination, and I
52:21
Speaker 2: have nothing against that. But there's a weird irony in
52:25
Speaker 2: calling for self-determination but getting another country to help you
52:29
Speaker 2: do it.
52:30
Speaker 1: So when you need someone else to do something for you,
52:33
Speaker 1: they can take it away too. You know, I tell
52:37
Speaker 1: people to become self-reliant, to become strong independently where you are.
52:41
Speaker 1: Not to listen to me or follow me or anything
52:43
Speaker 1: like that. I don't believe in followers. We have people
52:47
Speaker 1: that support what we do, but following someone is weak.
52:52
Speaker 1: I want there to be lots of strong people around
52:55
Speaker 1: the world. that are self-reliant and is independent of governments
52:59
Speaker 1: and large corporations. Because if you can achieve that, that
53:02
Speaker 1: is the freest thing that you can be at the moment.
53:04
Speaker 1: Because governments around the world and large corporations are trying
53:08
Speaker 1: to take our freedom away. And you have to ask yourself, why?
53:15
Speaker 1: Why do people want to monitor track and trace us?
53:18
Speaker 1: Why will our, in South Africa, green bar-coded ID book
53:23
Speaker 1: not be valid in two years time and you won't
53:24
Speaker 1: be able to go and vote using it that is
53:27
Speaker 1: how they'll be forcing people to take on firstly the
53:32
Speaker 1: smart id card that's got a chip built into it
53:34
Speaker 1: that can be scanned by scanners and then later a
53:39
Speaker 1: complete digital id on your phone or some device where
53:44
Speaker 1: you can be monitored, tracked and traced in real time.
53:47
Speaker 1: And if any foreign entity wants to eliminate you, you
53:51
Speaker 1: can just send in a drone to your location and
53:53
Speaker 1: wipe you out. It's that simple. And I'm not trying
53:56
Speaker 1: to be cynical. This is happening in Ukraine and in
53:59
Speaker 1: Russia right now. They have actually already sent in autonomous drones.
54:06
Speaker 1: They were sent in to find Russian soldiers and kill
54:09
Speaker 1: them without the operators seeing what's happening. And then they
54:13
Speaker 1: would send in a drone afterwards to go and see
54:15
Speaker 1: what the results were. I mean, that is frightening, Jeremy,
54:21
Speaker 1: to think that that has already taken place.
54:24
Speaker 2: One of the groups involved with this White Cross project
54:28
Speaker 2: in Washington, I looked it up, actually has... links to
54:33
Speaker 2: USAID and the NED, and another one of the groups
54:37
Speaker 2: has direct links to the UN.
54:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. 100%. And I've gone to the UN and advocated
54:43
Speaker 1: for the fact that there's a white genocide in South Africa.
54:49
Speaker 1: And famously claimed that nine of the ten conditions are
54:52
Speaker 1: met to say that there's genocide taking place. Where the
54:58
Speaker 1: tenth condition is the extermination part. So, If you look
55:03
Speaker 1: at the phases of extermination. So these organizations, I mean,
55:09
Speaker 1: I don't want to name them. I'm not sure that
55:15
Speaker 1: they just, there's just about the meaning well. To do
55:19
Speaker 1: something as big and as bold as this, there has
55:23
Speaker 1: to be a lot of money involved. So money, I think,
55:26
Speaker 1: we haven't spoken about yet, has to be a huge
55:29
Speaker 1: factor Where does the money come from? If you look
55:32
Speaker 1: at a lot of social media platforms in this country,
55:35
Speaker 1: to be flown over to Israel to become pro-Israel, like
55:40
Speaker 1: many of the social media commentators from the U.S. did.
55:43
Speaker 1: This happened to many of the social media commentators in
55:46
Speaker 1: South Africa. And their message is pro-Israel now. Do they
55:51
Speaker 1: get funding? What support do they get because of this?
55:54
Speaker 1: And we know that within the U.S. the same thing happened.
55:57
Speaker 1: This is all tied to the state of Israel. The
56:00
Speaker 1: White Cross project is tied to the state of Israel
56:03
Speaker 1: because as you mentioned earlier, all these people support, all
56:07
Speaker 1: these groups support the state of Israel. If you support
56:10
Speaker 1: the state of Israel and it's a religious belief because
56:14
Speaker 1: you believe that the Jewish people are the chosen people.
56:18
Speaker 1: And once again, I hate conflating Jewish people with the
56:20
Speaker 1: state of Israel because it's two completely separate things. Then
56:26
Speaker 1: you cannot be loyal to your country. It's not possible.
56:31
Speaker 1: You are literally in that state beholden to religious beliefs
56:37
Speaker 1: that transcends the borders of your country and you actually
56:40
Speaker 1: believe that you need to do everything in your power
56:44
Speaker 1: to empower the state of Israel because you believe that
56:47
Speaker 1: they are superior in some way.
56:50
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a question I've been asking for years.
56:52
Speaker 2: I've been asking Christian friends of mine. Are you an
56:56
Speaker 2: Israeli citizen?
56:58
Speaker 1: No. Are you Jewish? No. Okay, but you stand with Israel? Yes. Why?
57:05
Speaker 2: And I can't actually get a coherent answer. Well, I
57:10
Speaker 2: don't think most of them know except that they were
57:12
Speaker 2: raised to believe it. I was raised to believe it
57:14
Speaker 2: until I grew up and learned more about the world
57:20
Speaker 2: and became an adult and could make up my own
57:22
Speaker 2: mind and not just follow a narrative. I think with
57:24
Speaker 2: a lot of these people, it's so deep-seated and so entrenched.
57:28
Speaker 2: And the danger is that people like that, and I
57:31
Speaker 2: call it Christian Zionism, because most Christians in South Africa
57:36
Speaker 2: are Zionist Christians. Let's just make that clear.
57:39
Speaker 1: And we have over 80% of people in South Africa
57:43
Speaker 1: are Christian. So it's a large percentage of the South
57:46
Speaker 1: African population that are Christian and Zionist. And it's the
57:50
Speaker 1: same in the U.S. Most Christians in the U.S. are
57:54
Speaker 1: Zionist Christians. That is starting to change because of channels
57:58
Speaker 1: like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and so on starting to
58:02
Speaker 1: question this whole relationship with Israel. And it's very new.
58:06
Speaker 1: It's a very new thing. I don't know how it's
58:09
Speaker 1: going to pan out. And many of those people contradict
58:14
Speaker 1: themselves because many of the things they still believe makes
58:17
Speaker 1: absolutely no sense to me when they are ridiculing Christians
58:22
Speaker 1: believing that the state of Israel is their salvation. When
58:27
Speaker 1: it comes to religious beliefs, and I mean, that's a
58:29
Speaker 1: topic one should stay far away from, it does influence
58:35
Speaker 1: this White Cross project. And, you know, in my time
58:40
Speaker 1: in counterterrorism intelligence, the one theme then was self-fulfilling prophecy.
58:47
Speaker 1: Once again, the same thing. A lot of people believe
58:49
Speaker 1: that this White Cross project, what has happened there is
58:52
Speaker 1: prophecy being fulfilled. What's the moral of the story here?
58:57
Speaker 1: South Africa is not sovereign. It's nowhere near democratic. We
59:01
Speaker 1: can make it a sovereign country. We can make it democratic. However,
59:05
Speaker 1: our greatest enemy is people from within. that don't actually
59:11
Speaker 1: believe in south africa as a country the fact that
59:15
Speaker 1: the united states is not a sovereign country south africa
59:18
Speaker 1: is not a sovereign country i don't think there's any
59:20
Speaker 1: sovereign country in the world that can just make their
59:22
Speaker 1: own decisions Even China, you know, the Rothschilds went in
59:26
Speaker 1: there in the 1980s, started their central bank and started
59:30
Speaker 1: funding the expansion. So China also just used a tool
59:33
Speaker 1: in the world to achieve certain objectives. And it's no
59:38
Speaker 1: different with Putin. You know, Putin explained that when he
59:42
Speaker 1: got into office, he was visited by men that told
59:44
Speaker 1: him how he was going to run things. When he
59:47
Speaker 1: famously said that, I think a lot of people thought
59:49
Speaker 1: it was tongue-in-cheek. I think it was very serious. You know,
59:53
Speaker 1: Putin was trained in intelligence. So he's not stupid when
59:57
Speaker 1: it comes to how the world works. He knows exactly
59:59
Speaker 1: how the world works. South Africa is my main concern.
1:00:06
Speaker 1: The fact that South Africa is a country hasn't got
1:00:12
Speaker 1: that sovereignty. The fact that South African citizens can go
1:00:15
Speaker 1: to another country to give them what they want, what
1:00:19
Speaker 1: they feel they need, and the fact that they would
1:00:22
Speaker 1: depend on that country, the fact that they would see
1:00:24
Speaker 1: Trump as their savior. And, you know, Trump famously put
1:00:28
Speaker 1: himself as this healing savior over this patient in a
1:00:32
Speaker 1: hospital bed on his truth social account and the people
1:00:35
Speaker 1: went ballistic. He thought that that was great, that that
1:00:40
Speaker 1: represents him. And I think a lot of the people
1:00:43
Speaker 1: in South Africa feel that way, that Donald Trump is
1:00:46
Speaker 1: saving them. But from what? It's the US, it's the
1:00:52
Speaker 1: Anglo-American bloc that created the situation in the country we
1:00:55
Speaker 1: have now. They plan to put this new African National
1:01:00
Speaker 1: Congress in power that would be completely useless at running
1:01:05
Speaker 1: a government, knows nothing about governing, and that would destroy
1:01:08
Speaker 1: the country. They knew that they would put a useless
1:01:12
Speaker 1: opposition in place, the Democratic Alliance. There was a fake opposition.
1:01:17
Speaker 1: They never wanted to govern. I was involved in the
1:01:20
Speaker 1: Democratic Alliance, and there was no inkling that they were
1:01:24
Speaker 1: going to or wanted to govern at all. They wanted
1:01:27
Speaker 1: to remain an opposition party, which tells you that the
1:01:31
Speaker 1: status quo was playing out exactly as planned. I was...
1:01:38
Speaker 1: Shell shocked when I was told that no, we don't
1:01:41
Speaker 1: want to govern. We also don't want more members. I mean,
1:01:45
Speaker 1: these were things that were said to me. And South
1:01:49
Speaker 1: Africa as a country is strategically important to global powers
1:01:56
Speaker 1: and certain global elites, whether it's tech billionaires, whether it
1:02:01
Speaker 1: is global governments. Because just remember, Donald Trump isn't just
1:02:05
Speaker 1: a politician. He is an American elite. That's what he
1:02:11
Speaker 1: is first and foremost. Donald Trump created Jeffrey Epstein to
1:02:17
Speaker 1: be that sugar daddy that would get dirt on people. And,
1:02:21
Speaker 1: you know, that was a Mossad operation. Donald Trump himself,
1:02:26
Speaker 1: they have so much dirt on him. He was one
1:02:28
Speaker 1: of the first people they needed control over. And he
1:02:33
Speaker 1: is delivering right now. I don't think he has a choice.
1:02:36
Speaker 1: And when it comes to South Africa and these groups
1:02:41
Speaker 1: wanting to raise awareness for something that the world knows about,
1:02:49
Speaker 1: what do they want the world to do? What do
1:02:51
Speaker 1: they want Donald Trump to do? Sanctions. They want to
1:02:55
Speaker 1: impose things that's going to hurt the pocket of everyday
1:02:59
Speaker 1: South Africans. And the other thing that it does and
1:03:02
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, is that Donald Trump might get
1:03:04
Speaker 1: the impetus from his supporters if he gets re-elected in
1:03:09
Speaker 1: the midterms, or if the Republicans get re-elected in the
1:03:12
Speaker 1: midterms in the House and the Senate, that Donald Trump
1:03:16
Speaker 1: will have the power and feel that he has the
1:03:18
Speaker 1: mandate to do more in South Africa, which can include
1:03:23
Speaker 1: helping in KwaZulu-Natal, helping in the Western Cape, or wherever
1:03:29
Speaker 1: else for the US to have more control than before.
1:03:34
Speaker 1: If you look at the Atlantic seaboard, it's like a
1:03:38
Speaker 1: little control center for elite in power. Very rich people
1:03:46
Speaker 1: are congregated in a very small part of Cape Town there.
1:03:50
Speaker 1: And you will see, you'll never see an informal settlement
1:03:54
Speaker 1: going up there or anything like that. That area is
1:03:57
Speaker 1: vehemently protected. During the COVID-19 pandemic, people were viciously attacked
1:04:04
Speaker 1: by riot police, women and even children. I saw this
1:04:07
Speaker 1: with my own eyes, to protect that territory. That's special protections.
1:04:15
Speaker 1: And dare I say that when Cyril Ramaphosa became president
1:04:20
Speaker 1: in South Africa, the best thing he could do was
1:04:23
Speaker 1: go and jog amongst those tunnies there in Seapoint to
1:04:28
Speaker 1: just show that I am part of your clan. I
1:04:31
Speaker 1: will look after your interest. And I think that's a
1:04:34
Speaker 1: good place to end.
1:04:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just quickly round it off by adding that
1:04:39
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this conversation, I said that I
1:04:41
Speaker 2: had pushback from a post that I made on X
1:04:44
Speaker 2: where I said that I agreed with the general sentiment
1:04:48
Speaker 2: of raising awareness around pharma tax, but the White Cross
1:04:52
Speaker 2: project was making me feel uncomfortable. And I was recently
1:04:56
Speaker 2: in the UK and while I was sitting on the flight,
1:04:58
Speaker 2: there was a Dutch woman sitting next to me and
1:05:00
Speaker 2: we were chatting and she asked me the question, what
1:05:04
Speaker 2: do I think would help African countries to rise up
1:05:10
Speaker 2: out of the sort of third world dump that we're in.
1:05:14
Speaker 2: And my response to her without even blinking an eye was,
1:05:16
Speaker 2: I don't want any foreign interference. Trade I'm happy with,
1:05:21
Speaker 2: but not political foreign interference of which we have plenty.
1:05:27
Speaker 1: I don't only agree with that, Jeremy. I am so
1:05:31
Speaker 1: pleased that there is another person that have come to
1:05:35
Speaker 1: that sort of conclusion with regards to how you see
1:05:38
Speaker 1: politics in South Africa. South Africa can become a superpower.
1:05:44
Speaker 1: We have incredible resources in this country. We have diverse climate.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: We have so much going for us. And the global
1:05:51
Speaker 1: elite see this, make no mistake. We are heavily on
1:05:55
Speaker 1: their radar. And they want a lot more from us
1:05:59
Speaker 1: than the people of South Africa. Maybe the people of
1:06:03
Speaker 1: South Africa are their greatest Achilles heel. And maybe they
1:06:09
Speaker 1: don't have our best interests at heart. I certainly know
1:06:13
Speaker 1: for a fact that Donald Trump does not. All right, Des,
1:06:18
Speaker 1: how can I follow your work? Well, basically, the YouTube
1:06:23
Speaker 1: channel Double O Des, people can just type in Double
1:06:26
Speaker 1: O Des and you will find most of the social
1:06:29
Speaker 1: media links there. where people can basically hear my perspective
1:06:33
Speaker 1: on history as well as the future, especially the future
1:06:36
Speaker 1: of South Africa and the world as I see it.
1:06:39
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me in the trenches, Des Bonato.