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Burrow's fatal flaw. Tom Brady's bizarre behavior, Michael Vick to Virginia Tech? | 0917 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 1: have a guest joining us. Check him out at Yahoo Sports.
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  Speaker 1: Charles McDonald, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing much. Good to be here, especially coming off a big,
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  Speaker 2: national TV Falcons win this weekend, you know, beating down
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  Speaker 2: on that Minnesota Vikings. So I think this is the
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  Speaker 2: first time that I've had something positive to say about
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  Speaker 2: the Falcons around you. So that was a nice way
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  Speaker 2: to cap the weekend off.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get to that. The first point I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to make is I'm going to do everything I can.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't have to come up too much anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to call you Charles McDonald and not Charles
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  Speaker 1: Robinson because I'm totally the guy at this point in
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  Speaker 1: my life where I'm playing the neighborhood play on all
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  Speaker 1: these names. Poor Justin Jefferson. I call him his brother's
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  Speaker 1: name like I'm his mama. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Those of you who don't understand me calling Justin Jefferson
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Jefferson, clearly if you are a man, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have a brother because this is just how it works
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  Speaker 1: from time to time. If it's two of y'all, Y'all
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  Speaker 1: going to get called by the other night. I will
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  Speaker 1: say right fast about the Falcons. I was watching the
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  Speaker 1: game against the Vikings, and I had to text you,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, Falcons is out here looking
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  Speaker 1: like Bama, dog. They was out here jumping routes. They
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  Speaker 1: was getting heat.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm looking like, Vikings, y'all okay? Because, look, I
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  Speaker 2: know they spent a lot on this defense, right? Three
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  Speaker 2: first-round picks on two rookie edge rushers because they traded
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  Speaker 2: up for James Pierce. Then they added Xavier Watson and
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  Speaker 2: Billy Bowman on day two of the draft to play
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  Speaker 2: safety and then nickel for them. So you took one
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  Speaker 2: of the worst defenses in football last year, and you
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  Speaker 2: added four rookies and Devine Diablo, who's like a dirty
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  Speaker 2: man linebacker kind of guy from the Raiders. Shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: whipping you all that bad. I'm a little excited about
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  Speaker 2: where they are after that game, but if I was
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  Speaker 2: a Vikings fan, I'd be freaking out because– Their backup
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  Speaker 2: offensive linemen in there who are for Derrissaw and Ryan Kelly,
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  Speaker 2: the center, they can't get it done. J.J. McCarthy clearly
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  Speaker 2: is not ready to get it done when the circumstances
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  Speaker 2: are not perfect around him. So that's a red alert
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  Speaker 2: for the Vikings to me more than it really is
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  Speaker 2: like a big cheering on for the Falcons.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, I think it could get really weird for them.
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy is now hurt. Maybe you know off the top
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  Speaker 1: of your head who that means is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. I did see Prince Harry on the sideline.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 1: He started. I don't think I fully realized how much
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  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz looked like Prince Harry until I saw him
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  Speaker 1: on the sideline of that game. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what's Prince Harry doing there? And I was like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute. Is that Carson Wentz?
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  Speaker 2: I saw something. He's about to break a record for
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  Speaker 2: most consecutive seasons starting a game for a different team.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's about to hit six teams in six seasons.
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  Speaker 2: since that Eagles template. Honestly, you could have told me
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  Speaker 2: that he hasn't played since Jalen Hurts took his job,
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  Speaker 2: and I would also believe that too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so he has played for the Eagles. He has
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  Speaker 1: played for the Chiefs. He has played for the Colts.
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  Speaker 1: He is now playing for the Vikings. Who are the
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  Speaker 1: other two?
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  Speaker 2: The Commanders is one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: That did happen. Was he in the Rams like the
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  Speaker 2: zombie year when they had Baker and stuff like that? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was. Yes, he was. Yo, so what's wild about
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  Speaker 1: this is I never thought he was terrible. Like, he
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  Speaker 1: is a clear example of what happens when people don't
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  Speaker 1: like you that much. Because you can figure this out
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  Speaker 1: in some other way. Like, I mean... He lost his
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  Speaker 1: job to Jalen Hurts. By the way, he should have
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  Speaker 1: lost his job to Jalen Hurts. But Jalen Hurts is
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  Speaker 1: get the job and keep it guy. Not I ran
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  Speaker 1: you off your corner guy. Right. He ran him off.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, wasn't that part of what we were thinking?
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  Speaker 1: Is that part of what got Doug Peterson fired? Was
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  Speaker 1: that he was like, no, no, no. We're going with
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  Speaker 1: this dude. And they was like, what are you, crazy?
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  Speaker 1: And then look what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it really is fascinating, though, because, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I remember– Well, shoot, I mean, I was about to say,
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  Speaker 2: it feels like the other day, but this is what,
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  Speaker 2: eight years ago now when people are doing the Wentz
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  Speaker 2: versus Dak wars. And, uh, uh, like Carson got a
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  Speaker 2: big contract extension. Like that was market rate at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, he wasn't bad, but the thing is
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  Speaker 2: like his body just died on him. Cause he was
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  Speaker 2: such a, he was a powerhouse, like athlete, uh, big
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  Speaker 2: arm fast, but you know, not the most like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I guess detailed guy sometimes between the numbers because he
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  Speaker 2: Like that last season he had, that was huge. They
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  Speaker 2: were really only good on third down, but shoot, that's
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  Speaker 2: enough to lead an offense that can get you somewhere
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  Speaker 2: close to the Super Bowl. And then all the injuries happen.
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  Speaker 2: And then people was like, eh, only tolerated you because
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  Speaker 2: you had the big arm and you're running four or five.
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  Speaker 2: Now that you're not doing that no more, you might
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  Speaker 2: got to get out of here.
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  Speaker 1: All-time weird quarterback draft 2016. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz are
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  Speaker 1: the top two picks. A gentleman that some of you
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  Speaker 1: may remember, but probably don't. Paxton Lynch, the first round
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  Speaker 1: pick to Stephen Jones, had to save Jerry from taking,
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  Speaker 1: who was out of the league in like 30, 45 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even remember exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think he had 150 passing attempts in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, hold on. I forgot who else was in this draft.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Hackenberg.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Connor Cook. I forgot. But the guy, the
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  Speaker 1: guy who turned out to be the guy. Dak Prescott
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  Speaker 1: fourth round pick hold on Jacoby Brissett was a third
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  Speaker 1: round pick in that draft Cody Kessler was a third
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  Speaker 1: round pick in that draft then we get to Connor
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  Speaker 1: Cook and yeah Dak Prescott who I I have tried
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  Speaker 1: to figure out for a long time how it is
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  Speaker 1: that he slipped that far in the draft like two-time
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  Speaker 1: first team all SEC quarterback had the size has the
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  Speaker 1: physical tools and I think it just really came down
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  Speaker 1: to one thing. And some of you are going to
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  Speaker 1: say he caught a DUI and that's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Which is funny because he's got the temperament that they like,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But that that that. Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on. For those of you who don't
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  Speaker 1: know the thing that I'm talking about. These white boys
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  Speaker 1: whooped his ass at Panama City Beach during spring break
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  Speaker 1: one time, but it was caught on video. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they whooped his ass. And I feel like it was
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  Speaker 1: the fair one, though. I don't want to say they
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  Speaker 1: whooped his ass like he got jumped. He squared up
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  Speaker 1: and just got his ass kicked, and you just had
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  Speaker 1: to decide whether that was a man that you could
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  Speaker 1: follow into battle.
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  Speaker 2: Which is fair, because I swear, someone brings up that
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  Speaker 2: video to me at least twice a year, and that
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  Speaker 2: happened 10 years ago, dog. It was a legendary ass whooping,
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  Speaker 2: but The Dak Prescott pick is fascinating to me because
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of like they just said, eh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I guess we'll do it. Because for those who don't
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  Speaker 2: remember with the draft that year, that was the last
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  Speaker 2: year that teams weren't allowed to trade their compensatory picks.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a free agent who signs somewhere to
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  Speaker 2: another team, the following year you get a pick. So
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  Speaker 2: the Cowboys, they had this fourth round compensatory pick that
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't trade. So they tried to get Paxton Lynch,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't do it. They tried to trade for Connor Cook.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't do it. So they're sitting here with this fourth
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  Speaker 2: round pick that they can't trade. They need a backup
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  Speaker 2: for Tony Romo. They're like, all right, let's just take
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  Speaker 2: Dak Prescott. He's the last one.
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  Speaker 1: And he took his job. Also, they had, everybody says
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  Speaker 1: the greatest thing to have is a young quarterback that's
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  Speaker 1: good on a cost control contract. And they had that.
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  Speaker 1: And Dak Prescott was like, enough of that. I'm the
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  Speaker 1: new Kirk Cousins. I'm getting every dime of surplus. And
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  Speaker 1: shout out to Ryan. for letting us know it was
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  Speaker 1: at a Waka Flocka Flame concert that Dak Prescott got
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  Speaker 1: tuned up by those Caucasians.
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  Speaker 2: Not at the Waka concert. You can fight at the
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  Speaker 2: Waka concert, but you can't get beat up by white
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  Speaker 2: people at.
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  Speaker 1: The Waka concert. I guess that means that Dak ain't
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  Speaker 1: got no hands.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You get it?
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  Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard that song before. Yeah. I'm 31. That's
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  Speaker 2: very much my era. You know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fair.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild to think how old that song is now. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just had to throw it out there.
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  Speaker 1: No hands. But we got to there because we talked
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  Speaker 1: about J.J. McCarthy being hurt. And it's already week three.
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  Speaker 1: And we got a lot to talk about with quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: being hurt. It looks like Jaden Daniels might not play
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  Speaker 1: in week three. Joe Burrow looks like he won't play
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  Speaker 1: in 2025. We got Brock Purdy. He looks like he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be out for a minute. I've seen a
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  Speaker 1: few people try to hypothesize exactly why it is that
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  Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks are getting hurt. I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: answer for that right there. I do think the Joe
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  Speaker 1: Burrow one is interesting because Joe Burrow, and I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: what you think about this. You are somebody that knows
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  Speaker 1: more actual football than I do. What I remember the
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  Speaker 1: first time I saw like the 2019 LSU Joe Burrow,
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  Speaker 1: I watched him play one series early in the season
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay. If they beat Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to win the national championship and he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be um the number one pick in the draft
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  Speaker 1: he's going to win the Heisman and what I saw
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  Speaker 1: was a dude that moved really well in the pocket
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  Speaker 1: like not running fast but he dropped back he move
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  Speaker 1: up he go to the side he keep his eyes
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  Speaker 1: down the field he do all of those things and
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  Speaker 1: he get it done but that is also a more
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  Speaker 1: positive end of one of the more damning characteristics of
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and have which is takes too long to throw
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  Speaker 1: right He holds the ball for a long time. He
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  Speaker 1: gets great results in holding the ball for a long time, right?
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  Speaker 1: He can overcome it. And normally you need to be
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  Speaker 1: like a Cam Newton, huge physical specimen to be the
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  Speaker 1: guy that overcomes holding the ball for that long. No,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow does it by getting it done just in
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  Speaker 1: time and being willing to get the dog shit knocked
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  Speaker 1: out of him in the process. And this is going
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  Speaker 1: to shock you. but he misses a lot of games. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen people who blame the Bengals for not investing
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  Speaker 1: in the offensive line, which is a fair point somewhat, right?
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  Speaker 1: It does take us back to one of the great dilemmas.
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  Speaker 1: The Lions and the Bengals in the same season in
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  Speaker 1: the first round took probable Hall of Famers in Jamar
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  Speaker 1: Chase and Panay Sewell. And no matter how good Jamar
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  Speaker 1: Chase is, It's always been fair to ask if they
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  Speaker 1: took the wrong guy, just because Joe Burrow keeps getting
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  Speaker 1: knocked around. But the point I want to make, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a point that if you listen to this show,
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  Speaker 1: you know I make all the time, sacks are a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback's stat. He takes a lot of sacks, and he'll
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  Speaker 1: do that if he is playing behind an eight-man offensive line,
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  Speaker 1: because he's always going to be back there waiting. But
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  Speaker 1: I also don't know how much they put around him. Like,
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  Speaker 1: is this just going to be what it is, you think,
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  Speaker 1: with him?
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  Speaker 2: I think this is probably just what it is with
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  Speaker 2: him for the future.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: The thing with Joe is, like, he's tried the I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to drop back there and get beat up
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  Speaker 2: when it was early last season and then I think
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  Speaker 2: part of the season before when he was coming off
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  Speaker 2: the wrist injury. It doesn't work for him. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he turns into, like, this ultra conservative throwing for three
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  Speaker 2: yards a pass. It just doesn't fit with his play style,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting because it's not like he has, like,
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  Speaker 2: the big arm. He's just got, like, good arm talent,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, where you can just kind of put it
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  Speaker 2: in spots where he needs to, but, uh, like that
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  Speaker 2: lack of like high end physical talent. Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: reason why like Lamar and Josh Allen can play like that.
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  Speaker 2: They don't, they don't really miss games, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: they've got the talent to get away from those hits
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  Speaker 2: and not take the big hits. But Joe, when it
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  Speaker 2: gets to sit in duck mode and he's waiting that
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  Speaker 2: one last second for Jamar chase to hit, like the,
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  Speaker 2: to pass that second defender window. So we can go
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  Speaker 2: off for a seven yard touchdown. That's when he's getting crushed.
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  Speaker 2: And especially when they got the backup offensive lineman in, uh, who's, uh,
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  Speaker 2: They got torched by Jacksonville in the first half. I
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  Speaker 2: just think this is probably always what it's going to be,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like you can get rid of that.
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  Speaker 2: As long as you can just mitigate some of the
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  Speaker 2: damage up front and just keep spamming picks to the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line and hope those guys stay healthy, it's about
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  Speaker 2: all you can do because I don't really know where
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  Speaker 2: else you would go from here.
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  Speaker 1: This is, to me, the interesting Joe Burrow question, and
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  Speaker 1: I say this as a guy who enjoys Joe Burrow.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is all good with me. I like his get-downs.
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  Speaker 1: I like the way he plays. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: point out that I have never seen Joe Burrow be
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  Speaker 1: successful without excellent talent to get the ball to, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's not his fault that he has excellent talent, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that everybody could do as well as
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  Speaker 1: he can with the excellent talent that we're discussing, but Look, man,
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  Speaker 1: it is entirely possible that we'll look back at 2019
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  Speaker 1: LSU as having three Hall of Famers on offense, a quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: and two wide receivers. It almost looks like a foregone conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if somebody in the NFL was throwing to Jamar
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  Speaker 1: Chase and Justin Jefferson, who, if I'm not mistaken, might
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  Speaker 1: have even been the number three receiver on that team, right?
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  Speaker 2: He was definitely number two, yeah. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what he had, and what we saw was
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  Speaker 1: maybe the greatest college offense that there has ever been.
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  Speaker 1: That first year with the Bengals, before he got hurt,
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  Speaker 1: it was cool, but it sure looked a lot different
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  Speaker 1: once Jamar Chase showed up again, right? And then it's
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  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and it's Tee Higgins and Joe Mixon was
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  Speaker 1: still giving you something in the backfield.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd was the wide receiver three for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: He still had something in the tank, you know? Right.
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  Speaker 1: So the question to be asked is, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: fair to say, or to question whether or not the
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  Speaker 1: Bengals have over-invested in receivers, you know, in a salary
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  Speaker 1: cap sport, right? We were like, you got to give
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  Speaker 1: the money to Trey Hendrickson, but we're like, hey, they
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  Speaker 1: decided to give the money to T. Higgins, so how
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  Speaker 1: do we figure this out? But, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: be very clear about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not out here saying that the Bengals know what
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  Speaker 1: they're doing. I don't want.
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  Speaker 2: You to think that I'm automatically giving them the benefit
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  Speaker 2: of the doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of those blink two times
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  Speaker 1: if you're okay, Beaumont. Y'all been listening to this show.
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  Speaker 1: You know how I feel about this. But what if
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals decided that actually Joe Burrow is in the
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  Speaker 1: category of the Kirk Cousins in that you need to
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  Speaker 1: get it cracking around them. to really make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: Which, which is ultimately fine. Cause like you have proof
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  Speaker 2: that this can, like you have proof that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if I got Joe Burrow and a dude or two
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  Speaker 2: on the outside, we can have the best passing game.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like pretty comfortably. I mean, you do even, what's kind of,
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  Speaker 2: messed up and fun about the bangles as someone who's
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  Speaker 2: not a bangles fan is their defense being so bad
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  Speaker 2: has just produced like some incredible like fever hero ball
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  Speaker 2: from burrow chase and higgins where they're just like bro
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  Speaker 2: we gotta have it on this drive every drive uh
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  Speaker 2: like the charge the chargers game last year uh where
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  Speaker 2: justin herbert had a big game against their defense and
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: then eventually jamar chase and t higgins said no no
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: no no we're the we're the superstars here we gotta
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: drag it across the finish line but that's not really
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: a sustainable way to like win games. It's fun to watch,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: but when you get down to it, their defense just
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: isn't good enough. Before the Jaguars Jaguared out and couldn't
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: do that, couldn't finish the game as they wanted to,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: they were moving the ball pretty well. And then Joe
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Flacco and the Browns were moving the ball pretty well too.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of hard to parse where you go
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: with your resources here because obviously he needs offensive line
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: help if he's going to be the guy that's going
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to play like he is. And that's the best way
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: for him to utilize his talent. So you got to
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: honestly continue to enforce that by getting off into the linemen,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: but man, this defense, like, dude, you're not serving Lamar
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Jackson or Derrick Henry, so I guess you gotta keep
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: trying to score 40 points a game. It's a tough
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: life to live.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta, at the very least, you gotta
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: go get that, get a tackle, left or right, right?
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I talked about this on the show, I could be wrong, man,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: but I feel like the hit rate on them tackles
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: is high, man.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: They drafted one last year, but he was hurt this week.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Amarius Mills from Georgia. Yeah. I mean, that was the
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: thing at Georgia. He was hurt a lot. When he's
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: on the field, he's incredible. But you got to be
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: on the field, bro.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so one thing that's always interesting about the Bengals,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and you know, historically, they were known for drafting Big
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Ten players because they did not invest in scouts. So
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: they just got a lot of guys that were very close.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: But you would think that for a school that was
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: as decidedly cheap or not a school, but a team
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: that's as decidedly cheap as they are, you would think
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: their college game would.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Be so on point, right? Because they got to get
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the most out of these cats when they don't cost
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: no money. No, it doesn't really seem to go that way,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: but it feels like everybody else sees a left tackle,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: gets a left tackle. Problem solved, right? The whatchamacallem, the Chargers,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: they drafted two left tackles in four years.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it did. And look, I should... rephrase some
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: of what I said about the Bengals because it's not
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: like they haven't tried to put defenders into, tried to
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: put resources into this defense where, you know, you've seen
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the talent walk out over the years. Guys like Jesse
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Bates in Atlanta, DJ Reader, Jermaine Pratt, who has some
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: good years for them. So they've tried, you know, they've
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: got two first round picks on the defensive line in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Jamar Stewart and Miles Murphy since then. They've got another
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: second round pick in Chris Jenkins Jr. They've got a
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: second round pick at linebacker Demetrius Knight They've got a
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: multitude of first, second, and third-round picks in the defensive backfield.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: This is all in the past three or four years.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: So they have really, really tried to put talent. They
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: just missed every single pick that they've tried on defense
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: they've missed so far in the past three or four years.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So they've got to keep playing Big 12 ball. That's
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: all they've got.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to throw a couple things out here
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: for people. If you did not know this about Amarius Mims,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: here are his dimensions from the combine. six foot seven
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and three quarters, 340 pounds. and had the nerve to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: run a 5.07 in the 40s. That is terrifying. Did
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you see, what was his name, Josh Simmons, when he
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: went and got that dude on the interception in the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Chiefs-Eagles game? And Josh Simmons is the Chiefs' rookie left tackle.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: He went to Ohio State. And one of my favorite
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: things in the NFL is anything that allows one of
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: these linemen to have to stretch it out or run
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: for like, get the... where the height matters, right? And
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: so they're stretching those legs out and they have time
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to get up some speed. Hey, man, I can't imagine
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: how much it hurt that dude to catch that shoulder
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and them thighs from that big old dude.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Bro, he tore his patella tendon less than a year ago.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: That is the crazy thing to me. Out of Ohio
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: State last year, he tore his patella tendon in October
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: or November in the middle of their season. And You know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: because Nate Tice, who I do the show with, Football 301,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: we were kind of looking at him this summer like, man,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: he's a freak athlete. Like, what if he's one of
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: those guys like an Adrian Peterson type where, oh, you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I'm Wolverine. I'm back in a second. And then he
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: was back, full participant for the first day of full
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: pads of Chiefs training camp. I was like, what? I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: used to know that Patel intended to tear his career under.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And you're back in like 10 months? Full speed, full pads? Like, no,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that boy's built different. But that's one guy. Get pad about,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you know, a few more of those. And maybe we
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: can start talking about the Chiefs getting back to where
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: they used to be. Because I hate watching that now.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I hate it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: It's so boring. Yeah, we talked about this. It feels
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like work. Like I say, it's like watching your favorite
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: artist perform. a little bit past their prime. But I
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: want to ask this right fast about the Bengals, though.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Perhaps the solution is, I feel like they don't have
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: nearly as many arrestable players as they used to. Is
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: that what it feels like? I don't feel like we
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: talk about them like maybe they need to started getting
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: some cats living on the edge a little bit more, right?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Like Vontaze Perfect, who, by the way, is coaching people now.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: He did not count as arrestable, but he played football
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: as though he was arrestable. If I am not mistaken,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I saw that Vontaze Perfect was coaching somewhere now. Let
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: me look this up to make sure that I have
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: not completely lost my mind. But I saw him doing
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: something that I was like, there's no way that Vontaze
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Perfect is doing this.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: At UNLV?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, he is. He's a defensive analyst. That's right. My bad.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I did not get this wrong. Of course, maybe the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: argument is the only place that you could get Vontaze
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Perfect as a coach is in Las Vegas. But Paul Gunther,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: former defensive coordinator at the Bengals, brought Perfect. That tells
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you that Vontaze Perfect is one of these guys that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: if you know him, you just love him.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Once he's your guy, he's your guy.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing that anyone can say. Look, I know
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: what you saw is bad, but trust me. Once you
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: get around him a little bit, it'll be okay. It'll
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: be okay. And Burfik was fascinating because I remember watching–
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: he was one of the first YouTube athletes that we
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: kind of got captured with as far as people in
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: my generation just trying to figure out what's out there.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And I thought that– I remember so specifically there was
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: this video the highlight video was like Fonte's birthday. Cause he,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: could he be the next Ray Lewis? And you watch
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: those clips. You're like, shoot, I don't know. Maybe, maybe
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: he could. And then he came out at the combine
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: around five second 40 dog.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He is the best player. He's the best college player
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen that the entire league said, no thanks
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to him. As I recall, he made it all the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: way down. the end.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was undrafted.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: He was undrafted. He was a first team All-American as
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a junior. He got invited to the combine.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: He was amazing. He was a really good college player.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. No, I cannot imagine what, first of all, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: can't imagine what it was like to try to coach him.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And he had this pension, but he's illegal hits that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of course, the most memorable thing that he did in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: his time in Cincinnati was on that. It was that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: last drive against the Steelers that may or may not
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: have changed Antonio Brown's life forever. It was the end
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of that game. They had AJ McCarron at quarterback. I remember,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and they were set up to win it. And I'm
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: talking about how the bangles used to have arrestable players
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and they I mean, they really used to have arrestable players,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: but their thing was they like shopping for bargains and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: they get a lot of open box specials and they
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: get dudes that was on the edge in ways that,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: depending on who you were talking about, were okay. And
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: some of them were absolutely indefensible. But anyway, the end
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of that game was Jeremy Hill making a fumble. Pac-Man
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Jones losing it completely at the end, and Vontaze Burfeet
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: catching that 15-yard penalty. The three most bangle bangles on
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the whole team. The most bangle bangles that they had,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and they all fell apart at the worst time.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: That reminds me, a couple weeks ago, I've been reading
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: about Chris Henry Jr., you know, late Chris Henry. His
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: son is a monster football player. But I was reading
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: something that Pac-Man Jones had been raising.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That's right. He's like his play date. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And I was like, huh, that's interesting, isn't it? And
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: then I also read over the past few years, T.J.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Houshman has been getting a little bit more involved. and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: helping him train and get ready for football stuff. So
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, I would love to know what some
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of the conversations were there between TJ and Pac-Man about
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: steering this young man.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Well, look, man, that's because Chris Henry appears to be another.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: You just got to be around him. And if you are,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you'll come to love this guy, right? That's how it goes.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: By the way, check this text I just sent you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I think it may be an explanation for the change
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in direction for Vontaze Burfeet.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Ha, ha, ha.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Just like, just, hold on, I'm going to send you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: another one. I believe that sometimes when you get changes
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like these, it leave us with... With one explanation.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: We all got a couple homies like that, man.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: say this out loud, right? It's not fair to say
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: out loud, but that is exactly it. We all got
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a couple homies that, I'll give you another example of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this on text. People was like, yo, man, y'all was wrong.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, something changed. And I think I
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: know what it was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you guys, some of those friends of you
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: guys say, hey, why don't you put down some of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: this drinking and some of this other stuff so we
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: get this stuff right, you know?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, hey man, let me run something by
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you here, you know what I'm saying? But no, that's,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I think the Bengals need to... get back to their roots.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Little edge. They lost their edge.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That is... They lost their essence. They forgot what they
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was in it for. That thing about Mike Brown. Mike Brown,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: he got like a Father Flanagan sort of vibe. You
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? He wants to save the day,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: though in real life, everything about him indicates that He
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about saving these people at all.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: At all. They had like a scouting department with like
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: four people.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. But also, yeah, but also, Mike
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Brown's politics do not imply that he is here in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the name of the betterment of these hardscrabble youths.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I will say, I will say, if you want to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: get a good laugh, the website Open Secrets, if you
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: ever look up Mike Brown and his donations, Boy, he's stingy,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: even the people he likes. It's hilarious. Even the people
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: he likes, it's a drop in the bucket, dog. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: got a good laugh. Go look up Mike Brown's Open Secrets,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Political Nation. It's very funny. He's a penny pitcher, man.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: He doesn't give it to anybody.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway, this is a billionaire, dog. A billionaire.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, though, he's a billionaire, but
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the money is all in the bank.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing I do say is he is
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: only a billionaire- because he owns the Bengals, right? Like
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that's the, that's it. Oh, oh, hold on. He gave, okay,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he gave $ 1, 700 to Lindsey Graham. Hold on, hold on,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He gave him, and I don't
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: know how this works, He gave him $ 5, 000 and that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: same day took back $ 1, 700 of it.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. He's just like this. He's just
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: like this. It's not just about you. Yeah, Bengals fans,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: don't even take it personally. He's out here, people, he
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: wants to win elections. He's pulling back donations, you know?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Now, hold on, there's a Mike Brown in Cincinnati who
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is listed as not employed, who gave $ 250 to Kamala Harris.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that is the same Mike Brown. Nope,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: this other one is listed as Cincinnati Bengals. This, by
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the way, is why, first of all, I got a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: number of reasons I don't give nobody money, but I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: know why this has to be public, but I feel
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: like it shouldn't. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It probably shouldn't be, but it's funny.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: No, no, the problem is, like, the people, the type
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of people.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: It should be, it should be public.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My thing is this. The type of people I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: would give money to, man, I'd never get a job again.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: For somebody to have politics to make me actually give
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: them money? Man.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: That'd be a canceled.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Dick time right now. I ain't giving no money anyway
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: just because whatever money I give them, it ain't going
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to change nothing. I'm not going to give you enough
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to get me no sway and therefore I'm not going
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to give you enough to change anything that you do.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So you go ahead and you make that happen. I
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: feel like when you go to the Met now, they
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: don't charge you. They just let you make a donation.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And the first time I was there, I gave them
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the full donation because I feel like I got, you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I got it. I'm doing this. Then I stopped and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: thought about how much they stole. That's what I'm saying.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: What am I doing?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: This is the last thing I'll say about the Met
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: before we go to break. I always say about the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Met because if you've never been in the Met, the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Metropolitan Museum, 81st and Fifth Avenue, New York City. The
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Met has an incredible Egyptian exhibit. Like it is mind
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: blowing how dope the Egyptian exhibit is. And it leaves
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: me at a bit of a dilemma where I'm always like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it is so terrible that they took this stuff from
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the people it belonged to. They could easily give it back,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. It is ridiculous. It is just terribly
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: unfair that it is in this museum. But what is
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: not terrible is that that museum is a 15 minute
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: bus ride away from my house. That part is actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: pretty nifty. So I can i can go in there
• 29:37
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  Speaker 1: we are back with Charles McDonald of Yahoo Sports. Monday
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Night Football, showing Tom Brady in the box with the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: headset on, with the coaches for the Raiders. And for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Tom Brady owns, I believe, 5%
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: of the Las Vegas Raiders. And that's actually a little
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: tricky with his $ 30- something million a year day job, which
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: is working for Fox, doing football for Fox.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And the reason is.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: An advancement of sports broadcasting that John Madden brought in
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: is that prior to John Madden, the broadcasters would just
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: show up the day of the game and then go
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: call them. And then John Madden said, there's no way
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that I could properly discuss a team on television without
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: having seen them practice and without having met with the coaches.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And so the broadcast teams now get time to meet
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: with the coaches and they like talk about stuff.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it's like when the broadcasters are like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: look out for this guy. He was practicing this week.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: The coaches like they get information that other people don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: get because it's with the understanding that you're not going
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to say anything about it until you get on television. Right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a safe space is the way
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that we'll put it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of stuff, too, you know.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Right. And so Tom Brady last year couldn't go to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: those meetings. They couldn't do that stuff because he's the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: he is a part owner. And so they changed those
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: rules a little bit. I don't know exactly how it goes,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: but it raised questions when you see Tom Brady with
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the headset on that he, through this time and through
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: doing these games, he will be talking to people who
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: work for teams that are then going to play for
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the Raiders. right? He's going to have access to a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: certain intel that it's fair to ask whether or not
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: he should have it. And so you got a lot
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: of questions from people who saw him in the box
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: with the headset during the game about that fact. Charles,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you. My question about it was,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: how annoyed are you if you were Chip Kelly? Because
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that just feels meddlesome.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: It does feel meddlesome. But I just don't understand what's
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: going on here with Tom in general. Like, It just
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: seems like he's got his hand in so much stuff
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: right now. And it's funny because you said it seems
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: complicated when he's got these conflicts of interest, but he
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: seems to be able to make it very uncomplicated by
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: just walking into a room and going, I'm Tom Brady.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And that works. And that's about it. Because last year,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: he's talking to Ben Johnson when the Raiders are about
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: to have a head coaching vacancy, and he's broadcasting the game.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't do that. That's not fair. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: if you read the reporting on The Athletic about their
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: acquisition of Geno Smith, the Raiders acquisition of Geno Smith,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Todd was very, very involved in that, in helping them
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: decide that Geno was the quarterback that they should go
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: after to maximize whatever this Pete Carroll window is going
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: to be. So You know, this is someone who is
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: already reported to be very, like, involved in, like, the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: big decision-making processes now with the Raiders. And now he's, like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: wearing a headset during a game, and he's going to
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: go call another game this weekend. But, you know, he
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: smiles and he shows us seven Super Bowl rings, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: it seems like that seems to win a lot of
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: decision-makers over as far as allowing him to break the rules.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know, like, if Greg Olsen decides to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: start doing this, I don't know if it will go
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: all that well for him. But, you know, for Tom Brady,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: it's a charmed life, I'll tell you what.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, cool. First of all, Greg Olson ain't got no
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: give me get a piece of team money. Let's just
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: go ahead and throw that out there. If Greg Olson
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: get that money, it's because he hit the goddamn Powerball,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: in which case he ain't going to be announcing no games, right?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Let's start there, okay? Number two, I am amazed at
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the way that everybody is bending over backwards to create
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a circumstance where Tom Brady can be a mediocre color commentator.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Because at least as of now, he's not especially good
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: at it. I do think he's good when he goes
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: on with Colin, right? And he kind of gives his
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: read on the state of the league or whatever because
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: he's so passionate about it. I think my criticism of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: him as a color commentator is, it's just too important
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to him, right? Like it's a game to us. He's
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: not having any fun at all when he's up there
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: watching that game and talking about it. Like when Baker
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Mayfield made that point, which I thought was a fair one,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that it was a little looser after Tom left Tampa.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Tom was like, I thought the point was to win championships.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, damn. Yeah. I hear you, brother. I do.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you have to like, you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: got to understand this. So, so he, he's there for Fox.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: They're paying him a zillion dollars. It's not particularly enjoyable
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: for anybody, especially not Greg Olson. Um, and so they've
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: been like all these, it's just the idea, I guess,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of being able to say that Tom Brady is on
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the broadcast, but, I.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Don't care about that, man.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I don't care about that. No, I don't care about that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And I want to say this to be fair to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Brady about not being that good at the job that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: he has right now. And it's something that I thought
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: about when I was doing Game Theory for HBO, which
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is we did two seasons of Game Theory. We did
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: 16 episodes. And that meant that I got to do
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a television show like that a grand total of 17 times.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Like the only chance that you actually have to practice
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: is with the whole world watching. And so back in
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the day, like take a guy like Phil Sims, for example,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Phil Sims had gotten himself up to the point of
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: being in the number one broadcast team, but that is
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: not where he started. He started doing like the one
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: o'clock kickoffs, just like everybody else. And then gradually, you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: moved himself up. That's where these cats used to go.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: That's not it anymore. Like the dudes that they want,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: they walk in and boom, Tony Romo, you starting off
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on the number one team. You remember when Jason Witten
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: was out there? He was so bad, he went and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: played football again.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that. I totally forgot about that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And they said he tested really well, but you have
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: no other opportunity to practice doing that job except in
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: front of the whole world. And Tom Brady ain't got
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: no time to be practicing. He's too busy owning a team.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And I would like to say one last thing. I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: can only take this to mean he really needs the money.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because why else are you doing all this, man?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Why not just be the owner and just hang out?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I don't know what decisions he's made with
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: his money. You know, his old queen, she had all
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the dough or whatever. But like, this is, they gave
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you 5% of the NFL team, but you can't cash
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: that check.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: But it's a different 5% because Mark Davis is so
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: tired of making mistakes on his own that Tom gets
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: to make real decisions. He's playing Madden. He gets to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: have a stake in the team without the real financial
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: risk that someone like Mark Davis would be taking. It's crazy.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But now I feel like I'm getting slapped over the
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: head with this stuff because why do I need to
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: know that he's playing flag football saudi arabia like.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: What yo what's going on there again this is making
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: me raise questions all.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Right either he's really that's a good one that's a
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: good one.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Either he's really greedy or he's got bills, right? And
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: if you have not seen this, there's going to be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: some all-time great flag football league. And by the way,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: now that nothing matters in the world anymore and we
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: don't care about these things, these guys can go over there.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Justin Jefferson, a lot of big-time current players.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski, who is not a current player, obviously. But
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: they're going to go over there and play flag football
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. And it wasn't that long ago that
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: we would be up in the grill about doing such
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a thing. And we had all these questions about live golf.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Nothing matters anymore. They're going to go play flag football
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. And I bet everybody's getting eight figures
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: for it at least.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And people are going to watch, too. Not me. I'm
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: staying away from that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Well, help me with this. If it's flag football, why
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we need Miles Garrett? Because he's going over there to play.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You got to ask them. Is Miles Garrett just taking
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: a check? I don't know.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: That just doesn't... Now, that's something I might be interested
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: in watching. Watching Miles Garrett catch a pass against someone,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: but only like two plays. You can't be locked in
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: on that. If it gets on Twitter, I'll watch that then.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: That is, I think, as far as I will go
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: on it. But I was just thinking... there's no way
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: that Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly want this. Like they're
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: doing their best job of selling like, yeah, okay, whatever.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But why do you need to be on the headset?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: That is the same way I feel about Carly Irsay, Gordon,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: who is the new owner of the Colts. He's Jim
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Irsay's daughter. Irsay left the team to his three daughters.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: She's the one that like calls shots. And, I thought
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: it was interesting that she said that she wanted to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: be on the headset early because she needed to know
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: what kind of coaches she had, right?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was actually a really interesting interview that she
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: had about it.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I thought it made sense for a week, though.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: It can't be like this all the time.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: That feels meddlesome. If Jerry Jones was on the headset,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: on the sideline, talking about, I need to hear what
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: kind of man my coach is, We would not act
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: like that was nifty. We would not act like that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was cool.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Because even if you're not saying anything, it's your presence
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: that is a little bit too much. What's her name again? Carly?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Carly. Yes.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: She actually said some cool stuff about how she was
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: learning a lot about play calls and how they go
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: in and some of the adjustments that are made on
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: the fly as play calls come in. But you could
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: go to a meet and and learn some of that stuff.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to, you don't have to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: sit here on Sunday on the sideline with the headset on,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of walk up to the sidelines, listening to
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: all the coaches talk. And I'm sure that it's been
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: enlightening for her and maybe it will help them make,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: you know, help her make more decisions in a more
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: productive manner for, for the organization as things go along here.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: But you, you, you could save that for another day.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just, I don't, I don't know what,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: like if you're, if you're Pete Carroll, right. And you
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: have coached, So many different winning organizations across your time
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: as a coach. Different teams taking different forms. Why do
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I need to listen to Tom Brady? Chip Kelly, he's
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: gotten to the NFL head coaching ranks, got to UCLA,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: had the cachet to say, nope, I'm done with this
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: head coaching stuff. I'm about to go be the OC
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: at Ohio State. Why do I need Tom Brady on
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the head? What value is he really adding that couldn't
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: be added on Monday? or two cents.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: That's the, that's, I think the point, not that Tom
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Brady doesn't have anything to contribute.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: But we up here, we up here doing our jobs
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: right now, bro. Like I take that to mean that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I feel like he bored. Right. I'll never forget.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: When I was in college, I participated on the Honda
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: campus all-star challenge quiz bowl team. Right. You know, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: was a beast. Anyway, we had won a national championship
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: of some sorts. And so they honored us at halftime
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: of a football game, which I will be honest, made
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: me feel a little bit embarrassed. Right. But people were
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: very proud of us, apparently like, OK, cool. So I'm
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: sitting there with a dude that was on the team
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: with me and he was a dude that was in
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the band. But for that semester, for some reason, he
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: was not participating with the band. And I'll just this
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: stuck with me forever. Like I actually found this to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: be very profound is that I'm next to him. And
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: he looks at me and he says, this is the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: first time that I have ever been at a football
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: game without an instrument. He had no idea. what to
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: do with himself if he was at a football game
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and he was not playing the xylophone or, you know,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the instrument that he played. Like he had no idea
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: what to do. And I feel like that must be
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, right? Like he's at these games and at
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: least the microphone gives him something to do. Like I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: now imagine that when he's calling these games, like his insides,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: it's like the fighting temptations in there. He has no
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: clue what in the world he's supposed to do at
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a football game if he's not actually part of the action.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: So now here he is getting in on the headset.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of like what I don't, I guess
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: not what I kind of don't like, what I don't
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like about Tom as a broadcaster and even like some
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: other broadcasters where it feels like every play needs to
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: be like a breakdown of something. Like, hey man, just
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: keep it moving. Like, I don't mean, you know, you
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: don't need to draw it up like when it's a
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: three-yard gain or explain like every little detail of what
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: happened because sometimes it starts bleeding to the next play
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and it just kind of, it's boring to watch. Like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I remember when When I stopped playing college football and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I started doing media work, I have some of my
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: friends be like, yo, you watch film for fun? That
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: used to be the most boring part of all of this.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I know, I know. It's really not
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that interesting, and it's not good on a broadcast either.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Gary Danielson is my favorite broadcaster, has been forever, because
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: he does such a good job blending. Here's a quick
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: two-second X and O thing every four plays, but most
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: of the time I'm here to make a burn chunk.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: And that was a great broadcast for me, but some
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: of it feels too serious now.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Well, so this is what I think. I'm curious what
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you think about the distinction I'm going to try to make.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: There is a difference between teaching and explaining, right?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And so what you're talking about, and I do think
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I see this from a lot of guys, they use
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit too much jargon, right? Oh, man, we
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: got a three-man shell here. It's a two-eye save.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Look, I— I like Dan and Lou, Lou Riddick and Olasky.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I like their work, but last night.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, boy, you're bringing out the jargon. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: they were doing a little too much, but I mean...
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: The God MC is John Madden, right? Yes. And for
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the people who were too young to get anything close
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: to prime John Madden, even non-prime John Madden was it,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: but that is the God MC of doing this. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the thing that made Madden so good, you have to remember,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: is that Madden derives from a time where the archetype
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: of a coach was not so much a CEO, but
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: was an actual factual teacher, right? And so John Madden
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: felt like a teacher at your school. And when he
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: did get in to explain, he had the clicker and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: everything else, He wasn't saying what happened. He was showing you, hey,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: cool thing about football. This is a zone dog. This
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: is what you do on a zone dog. Now watch
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the zone dog. And be like, oh, okay. I get
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: where you're coming from, right? Like, I think that's the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: key is you need to be, you need to know
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: how to teach your audience. And in a way, people
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: only care if you know more than them, if you're
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: willing to share.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: If you're not sharing, they resent you. But if you're
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: making it something we can all participate in, it's like, yo,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I got more food than I know what to do with.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes that guy. You know what I'm saying? But
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: they just over there watching you eat? Nobody likes that guy.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Well, see, that's why, like, I used... A lot of
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: people used to tell me I was crazy back in
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the day when I said, like, Gary Danielson, I will
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: watch any game that he broadcasts. And people are like, oh,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: you know, but he's kind of slow. Like, no, if
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: you listen... you will learn so much about like playing
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: quarterback when Gary's on there, because it's not, it's not
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: an overflow of information, but he'll like over the course
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of a game, he'd be like, Oh, you know, so
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: they were running this coverage earlier and bang, now they
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: can run a switch up, switch up route here. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: they got loose for a touchdown. And then he, but
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: he keeps it lighthearted too. And he keeps it moving along.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what we need to get back to.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Cause I do feel like football coverage in general has
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: gotten very serious sometimes. Like, and I like the data
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and the numbers and stuff like that. Like I use
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a lot in my work, but, You know, it's still
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: a game. You know, you should be able to have
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit of fun and laugh at what's going
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: on without every play or every drive or every game.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: It's some referendum on the end of the world. Like
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff I'm seeing two weeks into the season. Like, bro,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: y'all need to take a damn breath. Like, yeah, we
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: got 15 weeks to go.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sports broadcast in general, but football broadcast in particular.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I really just want to watch this game. I don't
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: need that much data. Like I think in a number
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: of ways, we are really overrun with data. It's data
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: all over the screen. You got a ticker at the bottom,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: depending upon what network you're watching. I don't need, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I get why they do it, but the game does
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: then often feel secondary, and then as the game, is
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: going on, I don't, I don't watch football or enjoy
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: it as a puzzle to be solved. Though I am
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: often intrigued by how the puzzle works. I don't like,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that's not why I'm watching it. I'm watching it for
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: a good time. I want to throw something at you
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: right fast as you are an Atlanta Falcons fan. Like
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you still do that. It's wild. And you know, I
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: want to give you proof that some places they'll love
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: you forever. Um, on three sports is reporting that Virginia tech, um.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: They just fired their head coach after losing to Georgia Tech.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: But it says here, sources have told all three sports
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that some Virginia Tech boosters push Vic to get coaching experience.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It would not surprise anybody in the industry if Vic
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: is a serious name at Virginia Tech and future coaching searches.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: First of all, future coaching searches says a lot about
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: what you think. It says a lot about what you
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: think about the future of this program.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: What future?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I guess for Vic, going back to Virginia Tech, that's
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: kind of like Barry Bonds in San Francisco, right? It
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: don't matter what you do, baby. It don't matter what
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: they say about you.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I actually did get into this last week. And the
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: first thing I thought was, Mike, you don't want to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: be the coach that takes this job right now. Take
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it after the next guy gets fired. You know, because
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: this dude, I'm an East Coaster through and through all
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: my life. Like this East Coast football shit, that's what
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I know. Virginia Tech, like, I tell, like, my little
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: brother and his friends, like, yo, like, this used to
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: be a real deal college football program. Like, churning out
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: dudes to the NFL on a year-by-year basis. Like, you
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: go look up some of those guys, play Virginia Tech from, like, 2000,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: or not even 2000. Like, let's call it, like, 1995 to, like, 2012. Like,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: that stretch, they put a lot of dudes in the NFL.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And now it's nothing. Like, they stink. They lost to
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: South Carolina. They're trying to get this transfer stuff going.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: So you fire your coach now. This next year ain't
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: going to be much better. So, yeah, go see if
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: you can build Norfolk State a little bit. Get some
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: wins and then maybe go to there.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I would get my practice up and then maybe look
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: at that job. But I think the expectation is that. OK,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: so I think that this is a college football thing
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that I would love to see studied a little more.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: If somebody could figure out a way to do something
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: with the data and they do some data on this.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: But there are very few fertile recruiting areas that are
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: truly no man's land. And the Tidewater is one of them.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: It's not close to any big school. Like for the longest,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it's no longer the case because like Old Dominion, these
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: schools have jumped up. But for the longest, the closest
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: FBS school to the Tidewater was East Carolina. Neither of
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the like neither of the Virginia schools are actually geographically
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: close to the Tidewater. And so when Virginia Tech was
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: running things is because they were the ones that got
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the players out of the Tidewater. When Mack Brown was
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: winning at North Carolina, he was getting dudes out of Tidewater.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Like whoever gets that all of a sudden has this
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: spike in their fortune. So my guess is that Virginia
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Tech looks at it. Mike will walk out every player
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: that he wants out of there. We get our money up, right?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Mike can go down there and then Mike can get
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the players and then we'll be okay. And I hear you.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to warn Mike about this because I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: see what might happen here. OK, because, you know, Eddie
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: George is working at Tennessee State. Now he went and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: took a job at Bowling Green.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Hey, Eddie might got this, man. He's pretty good.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: He's good. He seems to be good. And the difference
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: between Tennessee State and the other black college jobs is
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: they're playing FCS. But I guess now other schools have
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: made this move, but they're playing FCS. um, at a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: higher level, they were not playing in the swagger me act.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Like they were going against schools with a lot of
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: financial advantages over them and everything else. And he parlayed
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that in the bowling green job. Um, I talked to
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Eddie at the super bowl and he was like, look, man,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: working here is a different kind of job, man. Like
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: this ain't Ohio state. He understood it, but he seemed to,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: he seemed to understand what it was. He's also not
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: there anymore. Right. I don't know why he's not there anymore,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: but he's not there anymore. I'm saying all that to say,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: They're going to drive Mike a little bit crazy over
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: there at Norfolk State. I understand that. Like, if Deion
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: had left Jackson State and not been a jerk about it,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said nothing. I know that they was
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: on some bullshit.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what the bullshit was, but I
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: know it was some.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I understand you. And I'm just saying, Mike, don't let
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the bullshit run you out before you get all the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: game you need. You know what I'm saying?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's a marathon. It's a marathon.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm telling you. Like, I know.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Let's just stack some wins.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I know they're going to be doing stuff down there.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: You're not going to believe it. I understand that.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: You might have to wash the clothes yourself.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I get that, too. But don't go too soon. Get
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: your game up. Then make the move.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, I did not think that I was going
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to hear a Tidewater reference on this podcast today. Someone...
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Spent most of my life flipping between Maryland and North Carolina.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Got to tickle me a little bit. But, bro, it's
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: hard getting around out there. It's hard getting around out there.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: There ain't shit. Like, I remember we were going to,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: for my mom's birthday a couple years ago, we went
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: out to the Outer Banks for a couple days with
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: some family and friends. And my girlfriend, she was like, oh,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I want to come down. I was thinking
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: about flying from New York. I'm like, just don't. Don't bother.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Because what I'm not about to do is go drive
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: an hour and a half one way to Virginia to
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: go pick your ass up and then drive an hour
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and a half back just for two days. I'll tell you,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I couldn't make it. But it's really like that out there.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: So if you can get them to come to you
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: instead of having to go to them. That'd be ideal.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: The last thing we'll do here, I think you did
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: this on your podcast, so we can offer this up
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: on our podcast. And I don't know why this tickled
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: me so much, but tell the people what you thought
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: was going to happen after Michael Vick got arrested.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. I thought that they were going to draft
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Darren McFadden and hold down the fort until Mike Vick
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: got out of jail. But to be fair, I was
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: like 13 years. It was 2007, man. I was dumb
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: as hell. When that Matt Ryan pick came through, my
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: jaw dropped. I was like, what the hell? You guys
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: replaced Michael Vick that fast? And then Matt Ryan threw
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: a 64-yard touchdown pass on his first play, so things
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: were okay. You thought they were going to run it back.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I thought they were going to hold it down the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: floor for him and keep the spot warm until he
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: got back. I had no idea how anything worked back then.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that was so funny to me.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: The way you said it the first time, he's like, Mike,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: get out of jail.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: We're just going to run it back. We got Darren McFadden.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: He's going to be the next Adrian Peterson. Offensive line's
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: still pretty good. We're going to run for 4,000 yards
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a year and maybe get to the Super Bowl.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: You just treated it like Mike got hurt.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's kind of what it was.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You thought it was like back in the day Mike
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: went to fight in Korea and was just going to
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: come back after putting in his time and just get
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: back out there on the field.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Two years in federal prison might be a little bit
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: harder than Korea.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: It's fair. It's fair. Man, they had that boy wearing
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: actual fascial stripes.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was in.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: He was in jail for real. I will say this
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: about Darren McFadden right fast. You know, I have to
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: remember now that the years are passing. We're not at
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the point where Darren McFadden is a guy that it
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: feels like there aren't that many of them left anymore
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: because the forecasting game has gotten so different. But hey, man.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: There's some of y'all who of a certain age that
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you do not understand that that was a stone cold monster.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: My goodness.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: That backfield. They had Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis too.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: That was crazy, man. Crazy. The hype was crazy.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Tim Tebow should have been a zero-time Heisman Trophy winner
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: because after Arkansas won that game against the eventual national
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: champions who Darren McFadden ran for 200-something yards on a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: rivalry weekend, there's your Heisman Trophy winner right there. Sorry, guys.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: He was the runner-up the year before. He should have
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: got that Heisman that year. Absolutely should have.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I remember from that year
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: was that was– I think that was the same season
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: when Ronnie Brown with the Dolphins, like the Wildcat formation.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: It was the year before Ronnie got on it. McFadden
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: was on it first. Right, right.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Because I couldn't remember if they happened at the same time.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: But that is just such a simple but genius idea.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Why am I handing it up? Why am I handing
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: it to the quarterback? Just give it to Darren right
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: off the bat and let him go run.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing with him was, the thing is,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: he was a high school quarterback. So there was a
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: minimal threat. that he might be able to do something.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: That boy was cold. Boy, I also remember he's the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: last guy that I remember where negative on his draft
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: stock was all these damn kids. That was the concern.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And I also remember my buddy Chris Carter. Chris Carter
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: was doing ESPN one day. He's like, no, you got
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to understand. If you take Darren, he come to your team,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Little Rock.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Is coming with him. Oh, shit. The entire town. Entire city.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: The entire town is coming with him. And they all kid. But, oh, man,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: he was a beast. Like, maybe I need to figure
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: out a way we can come up with that series.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Just college beasts. Like, there's something special about a college beast.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: That was just like, no, no, no, boys. Sometimes the
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: college beast wasn't even like an All-America beast. Like, we
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: talked about Greg Jones the other day at Florida State.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: College beast.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Flat-out college beast.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. DJ Shockley, he's still good with Georgia fans to
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: this day, man. Not the best quarterback they've had since then, but, man,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: just held down.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Somehow, the last black starting quarterback at the University of Georgia. Yeah.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Dan Newton. Deshaun Watson? No, no, no. We don't really
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: have a place for you guys to play quarterback. They
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: had a place for him just behind Jake Fromm.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: They had this kid after Fields left. Right before Fields
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: and right after Fields. He was a backup. His name
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: was DeJuan Mathis and Yes. That's one of those guys
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: you can't even lie to yourself about. You try to
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: clean up some of the language around black quarterbacks, and
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: you watch someone like, man, man.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: He was on tilt. He was on tilt. He was
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: out there like, I don't quite know what to do.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: He was a worse version of this, but when Jalen
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Milrow was so mad because Bill O'Brien said he was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: a running back and not a quarterback, and I was like, yeah,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: that was... messed up. Not that I've ever said that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: exact same thing. But it's because you're so good at running. Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: That's what happened.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: What the hell were we talking about today? I don't
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: even remember how we got here.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: We got here because you thought that Michael Vick was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: going to come back out of jail to play with
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Darren McFadden. And then Darren McFadden got us to... Actually,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: now I don't even know. But I do know that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: your name is Charles McDonald. And you can check him out. Also,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: with our other friend of the program, Nate Tice, on
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Football 301, podcast for Yahoo Sports. My brother, I appreciate
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you joining us here.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. I actually got one more little Raiders thing
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: from that era.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: The most famous football player from my high school is
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Darius Hayward-Bey. And he used to come back during some
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: of the summer workouts, and I got to say, he
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: was not the nicest guy to us. He was very passionate,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: very passionate about our high school football team, but he
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: was not the nicest guy. So when we started dropping passes,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: we did keep track of them one season. Yeah, because...
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: kept track. It was very funny.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I need to ask Dominique. No, Dominique did not play
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: with Darius Hayward-Bey. Oh, that's unfortunate. I would have been
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: curious to know what Dominique had to say about him.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 1:01:42
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• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:46
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