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Normally Podcast: Epstein Fallout, Hunter Biden’s Media Push & The New Debate Over Modern Motherhood · Normally

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Speaker 1: We are back on normally, So what normally cakes for
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Speaker 1: when the news gets here.
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Speaker 2: HI ain't marry Katherineham. I'm Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I forgot to announce who I am. All
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Speaker 3: y'all know they know I had had a big workout
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Speaker 3: this morning. I might have might have lost part of
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Speaker 3: my brain. Also, we had a haircutting incident at the
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Speaker 3: house this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Well incident that doesn't sound good.
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Speaker 3: The four year old got a hold of scissors and
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Speaker 3: I was informed of it while on a trip to
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Speaker 3: New York on the train.
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Speaker 1: On the way back, like, how God is it? How
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Speaker 1: bad is it?
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Speaker 3: I got one of those calls where my husband was like,
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Speaker 3: everyone's fine, everything's okay. I'll let you know, and he
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Speaker 3: told me it was not bad, And I thought, not
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Speaker 3: bad on a dad's scale, oddler scale, like And I
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Speaker 3: returned home and indeed was not bad. She had gone
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Speaker 3: after the ends, okay, and she took off about four
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Speaker 3: inches of one of her pools. But she had very
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Speaker 3: long hair, so it was like, it's not a big deal.
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Speaker 3: It needed a trim anyway, So I just gave her
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Speaker 3: a chop yesterday and now she has a stylish new look.
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Speaker 2: I love it. I know sometimes you have to take
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Speaker 2: matters into your own hands when you think you need haircut.
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Speaker 3: I think she was sending me a message. She was like,
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Speaker 3: I'm done with this, mom, so take me fair.
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Speaker 2: We get that, mom. Yeah, well that sounds like an
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Speaker 2: exciting weekend. I am glad to be back into it
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Speaker 2: with you. Unfortunately, we are back to talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.
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Speaker 2: I hate talking about Jeffrey Epstein. You know, Okay, Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump is under political pressure, so he said that the
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Speaker 2: House should release all evidence on Jeffrey Epstein. He's been
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Speaker 2: kind of cornered into doing this. I, however, am not
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Speaker 2: on journey political pressure, so I can say I hate this.
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Speaker 2: I hate this, I hate this. I hate that every
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Speaker 2: second we spend talking about this is a second we
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Speaker 2: don't spend talking about other things. And the midterms will
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Speaker 2: be here real fast. We are right now the party
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Speaker 2: that is dragged down by this Epstein thing and non
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Speaker 2: stop talking about the crazies in our media world. And
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Speaker 2: you know, the vice president gets asked about Tucker Carlson
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Speaker 2: and that has to be a whole issue. The President
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Speaker 2: gets asked about Tucker Carlson as well, it's just it's
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Speaker 2: constant insanity over here while we should be focused on
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Speaker 2: doing other things. And so this Epstein thing is just
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Speaker 2: another thing to me where I understand why Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: has to do it. I understand the political pressure he
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Speaker 2: is under, but for those of us not under political pressure,
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Speaker 2: I just want to say, this is all stupid.
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Speaker 3: So I'm like where I've always been on the Epstein thing,
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Speaker 3: which is medium concerned and medium cynical about it. Right,
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Speaker 3: We're just like, there are real victims here who I
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Speaker 3: don't think got justice for sure, because he got this
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Speaker 3: sweetheart deal the first time around, and we don't really
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Speaker 3: know why that happened, and there are a lot of
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Speaker 3: powerful people involved.
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Speaker 1: So I am concerned for that reason. I do not believe.
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Speaker 3: I feel like the Trump involvement here feels like the
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Speaker 3: Russia Gate story, where everyone's just like, yes, everything's a scoop.
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Speaker 1: Everything we see is a little piece.
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Speaker 3: Of the puzzle, and it's like, I don't think it
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Speaker 3: is really I think that they were they were in
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Speaker 3: the same circles, and that it's clear from at least
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Speaker 3: some of these emails that Trump was.
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Speaker 1: Like knock it off, Giles Lane, Yes, yes.
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Speaker 3: And didn't have her around. There are many ways in
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Speaker 3: which I think Trump falls short of, like my moral
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Speaker 3: conduct standard, but I don't think this is what people
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Speaker 3: think it is right. I do think probably transparency at
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Speaker 3: this point is the better part of valor. But I
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Speaker 3: think like it's good to have the information out. I
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Speaker 3: don't think that the information being out is going to
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Speaker 3: solve anything for anyone.
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Speaker 1: Because all of that we like conspiracy theorists are.
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Speaker 3: Going to continue to go down whatever road they want
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Speaker 3: to go down. People who are sent using it against
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Speaker 3: Trump will continue to do that.
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Speaker 1: And I think.
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Speaker 3: Whatever was there, if it could have destroyed Trump, would
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Speaker 3: have been released long ago.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just playing the odds here, yep And.
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Speaker 2: The emails, as we talked about in an episode last week,
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Speaker 2: mostly read to me like Jeffrey Epstein getting advice on
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Speaker 2: how to hurt Donald Trumps. Yeah, wells reporters and in
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Speaker 2: scare quotes there Michael wolf is he's a political operative.
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Speaker 3: And there were also New York Times reporters like hey,
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Speaker 3: heads up. A lot of people had and I think
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Speaker 3: that's probably the story of the Epstein files, is that
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Speaker 3: people who a lot of powerful people were friends with
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Speaker 3: either were involved were or were adjacent enough that the
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Speaker 3: release of these would be embarrassing even if they didn't
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Speaker 3: do things. And that's the attempt to keep them under
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Speaker 3: wraps much actually a analogous to the rush of thing too.
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Speaker 3: I feel like Trump's behavior sometimes signals that he's more
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Speaker 3: involved than he.
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Speaker 2: Is, right because he never says definitive no to something.
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Speaker 2: He's always like, maybe I don't know, we'll see, you know,
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Speaker 2: is this on the table? Like is nuking Canada on
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Speaker 2: the table? Like everything's on the table. Everything's always on
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Speaker 2: the table, So it could be anything with him.
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Speaker 1: It's just.
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Speaker 2: I think Jeffrey Epstein's a good guy. Maybe he's a
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Speaker 2: good guy. He could be a good guy. He's a
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Speaker 2: bad guy. Probably a bad guy. He'll he will cover
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Speaker 2: all the ground.
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Speaker 3: But I do think the backing the release of this
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Speaker 3: probably he should have done that earlier, and it's the
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Speaker 3: quickest way to get past the news story part of it,
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Speaker 3: even if the conspiracy part of it still exists. But
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Speaker 3: there is a part of me too where I don't
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Speaker 3: think this is a top issue for very many people,
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Speaker 3: but I do think it's more of a normy issue
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Speaker 3: because once you have a Netflix documentary.
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Speaker 1: It's a normy person issue.
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Speaker 2: That's right, yep. I think it's interesting and not great
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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump isn't pointing out what you and I
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Speaker 2: are pointing out, that reporters and the Michael Wolves and
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Speaker 2: whatever we're giving advice to Jeffrey Epstein about how to
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Speaker 2: destroy Donald Trump. I feel like somebody should put that
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Speaker 2: in Donald Trump's ear so the next time he's asked
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Speaker 2: about it, he can point to that and say, here's
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Speaker 2: evidence of them trying to destroy me using Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: So this continues to be something that the Democrats and
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Speaker 2: their media buddies, I repeat myself, want to do to me.
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Speaker 2: And he doesn't say that, and he should.
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Speaker 3: There's also the added information that Stacey Plaskett, a delegate
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Speaker 3: to the United States House of Representatives from the Virgin
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Speaker 3: Islands who is a Democrat, was getting live help via
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Speaker 3: text from Epstein while she was asking Michael Cohen from
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Speaker 3: his lawyer questions in Congress.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Working together going on here that a lot of people
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Speaker 3: are probably going to be embarrassed about.
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Speaker 2: Right. So he has the overarching thing, which is that
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Speaker 2: Democrats are using Epstein to hurt him. He just needs
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Speaker 2: the examples I think when he is talking to the media,
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Speaker 2: and or he could truth it out, but either way,
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Speaker 2: he needs to be pointing out that this has going
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Speaker 2: on in the emails and that it is what is
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Speaker 2: continuing to happen to him. That they don't have COVID
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Speaker 2: this time, they you know, they don't have Russia Gate.
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Speaker 2: This is the new that how do we stop Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's presidency from existing? Jeffrey Epstein's the answer for them.
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Speaker 1: Trump says, I don't care all caps.
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Speaker 3: All I do care about is that Republicans get back
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Speaker 3: on point when you're talking about discussing economic aagings, which yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's that's why.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. And you know, in that same truth
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Speaker 2: he says affordability, he puts it in quotes. But I
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Speaker 2: think Republicans need to just steal affordability from the Democrats
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Speaker 2: because for so long Democrats like we care about affordability,
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Speaker 2: that they don't do anything to solve affordability, of course,
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Speaker 2: and in fact they often make things worse. So why
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Speaker 2: don't Republicans talk about affordability more? I think to drop
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Speaker 2: the quotes, make affordability part of his platform, neutralize it
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Speaker 2: for the Democrats do his best to solve it, but
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's actually a solvable thing from the government.
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Speaker 2: We won't get into that on this episode. And that's it.
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Speaker 2: That's the political message going into the midterms.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean some of the shifting on
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Speaker 3: tariffs this week is an admission that we're going to
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Speaker 3: do some work on this, even if the work is
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Speaker 3: taking away the things that I did with coffee and
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Speaker 3: bananas my bad.
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Speaker 1: Well it will.
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Speaker 3: It may change the actual prices, so maybe that don't
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Speaker 3: matter to people.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on Normally and Hunter
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Speaker 2: Biden back again. We are back on Normally to talk
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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: What's up with that?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Like, this is the thing about Hunter Biden, and I
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Speaker 3: realized it when he gave those crazy podcast interviews, is
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Speaker 3: that he's like, his personality is perfectly crazy for this moment,
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Speaker 3: an attention economy with a bunch of podcasts, and he's
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Speaker 3: making use of that crazy personality and sort of unhinged vibue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will say he's really not saying all
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Speaker 2: that much. And I'm going to read the quote the
9:12
Speaker 2: smartest man Joe Biden has ever met, said quote, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to get myself in trouble for saying this. No,
9:18
Speaker 2: we need to turn the temperature up. We need to
9:20
Speaker 2: turn the temperature up, and we need people to see
9:22
Speaker 2: it for what it is. And what I mean by
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Speaker 2: that is, I do not believe that we're going to
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Speaker 2: get to the bottom until we get to the bottom,
9:28
Speaker 2: and I want to get to the bottom faster then
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Speaker 2: through this slow kind of process of what just being
9:33
Speaker 2: picked apart a death by a thousand cuts here? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Man, what and then he.
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Speaker 2: Adds, I one hundred percent do not mean violence. What
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Speaker 2: I mean by turning the temperature up is we need
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Speaker 2: to speak truth to power.
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Speaker 1: Sure, it's to power the powers.
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Speaker 3: What you got, well, I got to say. So much
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Speaker 3: of the past several months feels like a replay of
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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, where it's like.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, huge story.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, let's turn up the temperature when they go no,
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Speaker 3: we go to the gutter.
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Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, you've done all this and the gutter
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Speaker 2: don't worry.
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Speaker 1: You, Like we've been here before.
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Speaker 3: And it's that's not to say that the president should
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Speaker 3: not be criticized for plenty there's plenty to criticize him on.
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Speaker 1: It's just all the tactics feel exactly the same.
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Speaker 3: And if they indeed win the House back, I'm sure
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Speaker 3: they will just like impeach him.
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Speaker 1: Again, right, question mark?
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Speaker 2: And then what would that be the fourth time?
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Speaker 1: Third time? Third time?
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Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, it was an actual third impeachment. I
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Speaker 2: thought that there was yeah, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, third time, and you know, he'll make history again
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Speaker 3: and they won't unpresident him.
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Speaker 2: We will never forget that Donald Trump president.
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Speaker 3: And then like there will be a ballroom and then
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Speaker 3: he'll go on his way at some point.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, they're going to have to eventually just
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Speaker 2: internalize that Donald Trump is president and will be president,
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Speaker 2: and their great great grandkids will study him in history class.
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Speaker 3: Well. One nice thing about Hunter Biden, I guess is
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Speaker 3: that like eventually he's just going to admit to more
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Speaker 3: crimes and more crazy stuff that the Biden administration did.
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Speaker 3: So I don't mind him having a microphone because yeah,
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Speaker 3: eventually he'll tell me something useful.
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Speaker 2: Sure. He also he's going to definitely at some point
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Speaker 2: admit that the cocaine they found in the White House
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Speaker 2: during the Biden administration was his like it was a
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Speaker 2: slip up, like it's funny. In his latest interview, he
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Speaker 2: went after Jake Tapper for conducting a text interview with Trump,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I have to wonder about these people
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Speaker 2: who probably defended Hunter and made it like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 2: you can't go after the president's son and whatever, and
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Speaker 2: now he's just stabbing them in the back. There's something
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Speaker 2: to that, for sure. The Democrats are They're definitely in
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Speaker 2: disarray where this kind of thing is happening in the
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Speaker 2: run up to the midterms. Again, not that the Republicans
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Speaker 2: are not in disarray. I think we're at our lowest
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Speaker 2: point right now a blast year plus. So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think that somebody's going to check Hunter Biden. I
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Speaker 2: kind of look forward to seeing who that somebody is.
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Speaker 2: He also went after Scott Jennings, which is ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Scott Jennings.
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Speaker 2: Scott Jennings could not enjoy that more. Scott Jennings is
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Speaker 2: of course the sanest voice on CNN, and he basically said,
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Speaker 2: Scott Jennings is lying and pitching the party line on
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Speaker 2: CNN and has to constantly be told that he's lying.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, you're not going to get Scott Jennings.
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Speaker 2: You're just not You're not You're Hunter Biden, You're you
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Speaker 2: just can't come after Scott, And he's gone after.
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Speaker 1: He's going after Tapper for doing a text interview.
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Speaker 3: Look, one of the one of the things you can't
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Speaker 3: go after Trump or the entire administration for is accessibility. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: they are incredibly accessible. He has regular text conversations off
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Speaker 3: the record and on the record with various reporters all
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Speaker 3: over the spectrum. His U Cabinet members sit down for
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Speaker 3: long form interviews regularly. So like, even when you have complaints,
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Speaker 3: accessibility ain't the complaint.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's rich for a Biden to be talking about accessibility,
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Speaker 2: ey thing.
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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I'm mad about this text interview. Like
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Speaker 3: my dude, your dad gave like three interviews in four years.
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Speaker 3: Like this is not this is not.
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Speaker 1: The ground on which to be fighting. So I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It's one of these things where I hate that our
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Speaker 3: current environment incentivizes the Hunter Bidens of the world, and
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Speaker 3: that I wish he would slink away and we would
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Speaker 3: never hear from him again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And also while he's talking, give me something actionable, right,
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Speaker 3: you idiot?
13:36
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to be right back with a
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Speaker 2: nice and light culture segment. See you shortly on Normally.
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Speaker 2: We are back on normally with a segment about culture.
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Speaker 2: Let's start off with our friend Bethany Mandel wrote a
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Speaker 2: piece called I Sit in Parks and it's a very
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Speaker 2: good piece. I really enjoyed it. I actually made my
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Speaker 2: kids read it. That's one of the things that we're doing.
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Speaker 2: But it's about Kelsey Ballerini's new song I Sit in Parks,
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Speaker 2: and the song is about Kelsey wondering if she's missed
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Speaker 2: her window to have kids. And it's a very sad song,
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Speaker 2: and Bethany does a great job of exploring it. She says,
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Speaker 2: Bethany writes in just a few lines, she captures the
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Speaker 2: ache of a generation of women who were told to
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Speaker 2: chase freedom, ambition, and self discovery, but never what to
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Speaker 2: do when they found themselves alone, wondering if there ran
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Speaker 2: too far from the very things that would have grounded them. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's it's the sad story of the feminist kind of
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Speaker 2: conversation that happened with women. I think that a lot
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Speaker 2: of people would admit that women have been told by
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Speaker 2: the feminists, specifically because I hate the line society tells us,
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Speaker 2: it's not society. It's never society. I often think when
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Speaker 2: somebody's like, society tells us, they mean my mom told me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, that might.
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Speaker 2: Be the case, and yeah, so this is not society.
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Speaker 2: But there it literally was feminists kind of constantly breaking
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Speaker 2: down how pointless and terrible it is for women to
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Speaker 2: get married and have babies, and you see it all
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Speaker 2: the time. And this is kind of the response to that,
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Speaker 2: did I miss my window to have children? And she
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Speaker 2: says in the song how she desperately wants a baby,
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Speaker 2: and how she is so into this. She says, she sings,
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Speaker 2: they lay on a blanket and goddamn it, he loves her.
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Speaker 2: Sorry for the cursing. I wonder if she wants my freedom,
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Speaker 2: like I want to be a mother. And it's like
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Speaker 2: I can tell Kelsey, nobody is coveting her freedom. It
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Speaker 2: just I've yet to meet a mom who's like, I
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Speaker 2: wish I had freedom instead of these three children over here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a really a gutting song. There's the
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Speaker 3: part where she says, is it my fault for chasing things?
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Speaker 3: A body clock doesn't wait for I did the damn tour.
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Speaker 3: It's what I wanted, what I got. I spun around
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Speaker 3: and then I stopped and wonder if I missed the mark,
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Speaker 3: And I think did I miss it?
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Speaker 1: Is a question that everyone asks.
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Speaker 3: In their life at some point, like what door did
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Speaker 3: I not go through? I ache for her because this
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Speaker 3: is a vulnerable and honest way to deal with this,
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Speaker 3: and she's not attacking mothers at all. A lot of
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Speaker 3: people who deal with this issue go really at the
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Speaker 3: throats of the people who live the different lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: I don't wish to do that to Kelsey Vallerini, and
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Speaker 1: I'm glad she's not doing it to moms.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think she's, by the way, I think, in her
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Speaker 3: low thirties, So we will hope that she can she
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Speaker 3: can figure it out. But I do think it's nice
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Speaker 3: to have this speaking of what society tells you, it's
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Speaker 3: nice to have this as something young women can contemplate.
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Speaker 3: Wile this woman who really seems to have it all
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Speaker 3: is expressing that what she wants is not at all
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Speaker 3: the very famous pop slash country star path that she's on,
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Speaker 3: and she wants to add this other seemingly mundane kind
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Speaker 3: of dismissed thing to what is going on in her life,
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Speaker 3: and she doesn't, I think really beautifully and sensitively in
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Speaker 3: this song.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I would also say if I were friends with Kelsey,
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Speaker 2: I would tell her you probably just did not want
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Speaker 2: kids with your ex husband.
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Speaker 1: And that's she that made me wish.
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Speaker 2: I wish somebody would tell her that because I was
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Speaker 2: positive I didn't want kids. And the truth was I
17:20
Speaker 2: just didn't want kids with the boyfriends that I had,
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Speaker 2: who were, by the way, great guys. I'm always like,
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Speaker 2: they were wonderful people. It's never like I dated a
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Speaker 2: jerk and that's why I didn't want to have kids
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Speaker 2: with him because he was the bad boy or whatever. No,
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Speaker 2: I dated good men who were not right for me.
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Speaker 2: And that could easily be her story too. She just
17:38
Speaker 2: didn't have the guy, the guy that she wanted to
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Speaker 2: have kids with. I used to wake up in a
17:42
Speaker 2: cold sweat in literally having a nightmare that I had
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Speaker 2: accidentally gotten married. That doesn't happen when you're married to
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Speaker 2: the right guy. And I actually have nightmares now that
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Speaker 2: I didn't marry man, didn't get married. Yeah, like I
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Speaker 2: somehow missed out on him and I let him marry
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Speaker 2: somebody else.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really I'm very sympathetic to women like Kelsey
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Speaker 3: and to this feeling because they're but for the grace.
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Speaker 1: Of God, show go. I yep. And you know it
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Speaker 1: is confused.
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Speaker 3: Look, living life is hard and there I think there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of talk these days about having lost the
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Speaker 3: script for how women are supposed to act, for how
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Speaker 3: men are supposed to act, for how relationships form and
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Speaker 3: marriage works. And I do think we sort of abandoned
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Speaker 3: this default and the default was and it was for
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Speaker 3: me because I watched my mom work and have kids.
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Speaker 3: In my head, I was just like, oh, yeah, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to get buried and have kids some day. It
18:30
Speaker 3: didn't even really occur to me until I was like
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Speaker 3: in some of those relationships Carol.
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Speaker 1: Where I was like, yeah, is that what I'm gonna do?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't want your baby my whole life like I
18:40
Speaker 3: had wanted that, so I was sort of prepped for it.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think that's.
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Speaker 3: Like internetized and stagny guys. I think that's just like
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Speaker 3: my mom lived a good life and I watched or
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Speaker 3: live that good life. So we kind of lost that.
18:51
Speaker 3: And I think we're struggling with how to rediscover or
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Speaker 3: reimpose the scripts such that they are so.
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Speaker 2: Brad Wilcox, he is a fellow at the Institute for
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Speaker 2: Family Studies. He posted a Pew pole that had high
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Speaker 2: school girls interest in marriage had dropped twenty points in
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Speaker 2: the last thirty years. So in nineteen ninety three, eighty
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Speaker 2: three percent of high school senior girls said that they
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Speaker 2: are likely to choose to get married in the long run.
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Speaker 2: They're not saying like next year, and seventy six percent
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Speaker 2: of boys at the time said that. So it was
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Speaker 2: you know, it's always been a little lower for boys, right,
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Speaker 2: So now sixty one percent of girls say that they
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Speaker 2: are likely to get married, while the number for boys
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Speaker 2: has stayed roughly the same. It went from seventy six
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Speaker 2: to seventy four. So the funny thing is is that
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Speaker 2: I think that now this might be the low for girls.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that we get lower than sixty one percent,
19:48
Speaker 2: which is already quite low, but I think the number
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Speaker 2: for boys is going to start dropping because the boys
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Speaker 2: now are getting the influence that girls used to get.
19:57
Speaker 2: And that brings us to one of the people that
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Speaker 2: I can that are one of the more noxious people
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Speaker 2: in public life. Andrew Tate. He tweeted this weekend about
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Speaker 2: how ridiculous it is to want to be with a woman.
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Speaker 2: He tweeted, once you're rich and famous and can have
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Speaker 2: any girl on the planet, you realize they're all scum
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Speaker 2: and you don't want a single one.
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Speaker 1: Now. Most of the comments, what a king?
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Speaker 2: How Most of the comments are like, you are gay?
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Speaker 2: Why are you gay? You know? And that might be
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Speaker 2: he might be gay, because that is definitely not a
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Speaker 2: straight man thing to say. But also, you can't get
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Speaker 2: every girl on the planet. You can only get the
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Speaker 2: girls that would be attracted to an Andrew Tate, And
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Speaker 2: that's really saying something.
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Speaker 3: And perhaps that the secret to happiness is not getting
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Speaker 3: any girl on the planet and all of them that
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Speaker 3: you want. His secret to happiness is actually much more
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Speaker 3: narrowly tailored than that.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting?
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Speaker 3: He's preaching the opposite, and when he gets to the
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Speaker 3: end of the road of the opposite and it's nothing,
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Speaker 3: he looks interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, funny that, you know. With the Bethany article, I
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Speaker 2: when I read when I had my kids read the
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Speaker 2: article and I was discussing it with my twelve year
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Speaker 2: old son. He said, you know, the article was said,
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Speaker 2: but it didn't concern me. I'm not going to fall
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Speaker 2: for the feminist messaging of the age. And I know
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Speaker 2: there people who are gonna be like, yeah, right, your
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Speaker 2: twelve year old son said that. I swear this is
21:24
Speaker 2: my twelve year old son.
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Speaker 1: We both have a twelve year old who talks like that. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they're weirdos. I don't know where did they get it from.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't how I talked when I was twelve,
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Speaker 2: but okay, but yeah, he you know, so he was like,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to fall for this feminist messaging. Don't worry.
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Speaker 2: And I do worry. I do worry that the andrew
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Speaker 2: Tates of the world are going to reach him and
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Speaker 2: tell him that all girls are scum. And that is
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Speaker 2: something that people need to be concerned with, especially on
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Speaker 2: the right, because he is coming for the boys him.
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Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes another guy who frequently talks about how pointless
21:59
Speaker 2: it is to get my.
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Speaker 1: Oh women are terrible, yeah, awful.
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Speaker 2: Women are the worst, and how he remains a single man.
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Speaker 2: These are all people that you need to worry about
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Speaker 2: them influencing our young boys.
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Speaker 3: I do think we have sort of lost our way. Look,
22:17
Speaker 3: there's always been a war between the sexes. Obviously we're
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Speaker 3: very different mars Venus, et cetera. Yeah, it's it has
22:23
Speaker 3: always been thus. But I do think our at least
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Speaker 3: in the political realms, our conversations about these things are
22:30
Speaker 3: just driving men and women apart. And then you see
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Speaker 3: in other areas. I notice my Instagram feed is much
22:36
Speaker 3: better at bringing men and women together.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of solid like how do you be
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Speaker 1: a better husband? Content? How do you be a better wife? Content?
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Speaker 3: You should objectify your husband more often wives content like
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Speaker 3: Christian nice dad content, secular nice dad content, Like there's
22:52
Speaker 3: a lot of like let's try not to hate each
22:54
Speaker 3: other content, whereas on X you're like, wow, yeah, a
22:59
Speaker 3: lot of you dislike the opposite right fender a.
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Speaker 1: Lot not that there are only two genders, I.
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Speaker 2: Know, or very heteronormative on the show, there are actually
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Speaker 2: only two genders.
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Speaker 3: But Bill Ackman, I feel like it's trying to give
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Speaker 3: us some tips. What was his plan for getting the
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Speaker 3: ladies and the guys together?
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Speaker 2: He says, I hear from many young men that they
23:22
Speaker 2: find it difficult to meet young women in a public setting.
23:25
Speaker 2: In other words. The online culture has destroyed the ability
23:28
Speaker 2: to spontaneously meet strangers. As such, I thought I would
23:31
Speaker 2: share a few words that I used in my youth
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Speaker 2: to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask
23:37
Speaker 2: may I meet you before engaging further in a conversation
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Speaker 2: I almost never got to know, and he goes on
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Speaker 2: and on. But then may I meet you became just
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Speaker 2: an internet meme sensation. Over the weekend, people mocked it relentlessly.
23:52
Speaker 2: It is an old fashioned way of time formulation. You know,
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Speaker 2: may I meet you has very hello dear, which is
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Speaker 2: what scammers say to people on the internet. Any message
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Speaker 2: that starts hello dear online is somebody trying to steal
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Speaker 2: something from you, and may I meet you just has
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Speaker 2: this old fashioned, not current at all way about it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're gonna get the gen z stare for
24:18
Speaker 3: sure after that one. But I do think there's something too.
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Speaker 3: My hope for this phrase is that it becomes like
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Speaker 3: a joke for the terminally online, and the terminally online
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Speaker 3: actually take.
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Speaker 1: It into the real world and they may be between.
24:30
Speaker 3: Each other about may I meet you, and then all
24:33
Speaker 3: of a sudden we have the lest real marriages of
24:36
Speaker 3: people meeting But I do think if there is a
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Speaker 3: thing where people have lost the ability to speak to
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Speaker 3: each other in public.
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Speaker 1: I agree a thing that I like.
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Speaker 3: And who knows how gen Z women would react. But
24:48
Speaker 3: I always thought it was classy when someone would send
24:50
Speaker 3: the drink across the bar and they would just like,
24:53
Speaker 3: not a lot of expectations, just like just send it off.
24:57
Speaker 3: And I always thought that was kind of cool. Gives
24:59
Speaker 3: you a little entry, right, And maybe that would like
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Speaker 3: totally freak out gen Z. I don't know, but they do.
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Speaker 2: We do need afraid of what's gonna happen when this
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Speaker 2: comes out and Mary Katherine Ham suggests sending a drink
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Speaker 2: across the bar, May I meet you? Nice?
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Speaker 1: May what may I meet you? Written about it?
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Speaker 3: Now, there's like again losing the script for how humanity
25:21
Speaker 3: communicates with each other. I appreciate Bill Ackman's attempt to
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Speaker 3: get us shut to some ways of doing fun.
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Speaker 1: Fun was had.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and our weird twelve year olds can tell everybody
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Speaker 3: how to talk to each other.
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Speaker 1: Yep, they're nutshy.
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Speaker 2: They'll they'll they'll definitely be sending drinks and saying, may
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Speaker 2: I meet you?
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Speaker 1: Men and women, we gotta pull it together. Y'all, we
25:43
Speaker 1: really do.
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