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Greg Stanley of The Collector Car Podcast · That Car Show

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  It was meant for a toilet. That's what I'm.
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  Not to put too fine a point on it, right?
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  Today on that car show, it's our pal Greg Stanley.
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  You may know Greg from the Collector Car Podcast, but now
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  he's got a book along those same lines too.
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  The Enthusiast Guide to Collector Cars is out now and is
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  a journey through automotive history, culture and passion and
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  includes over 50 contributors including Jay Leno, Sandra
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  Button, and Wayne Carini. Trust us, you'll want to pick
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  one up for yourself. And you want to stay tuned
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  because this is a fun conversation, a little toilet
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  humor even. It's author and podcaster Greg
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  Stanley. And it's that car show.
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  Hey, it's that car show. It's me, Ryan Barky, along with
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  Lindsay, Jess, and tonight we're joined by our pal Greg Stanley,
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  who's got a podcast of his own called the Collector Car
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  Podcast, but who's also the author of a pretty wonderful new
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  book for people like us called The Enthusiast Guide to
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  Collector Cars. So little background on Greg.
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  He specializes in Enzo era Ferraris, first Gen.
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  Mustangs and Shelby cars of various types.
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  And he's been a judge at events like the Cavallino Classic,
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  Concourse Italiano and Ferraris Annual Experience.
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  A career highlight for Greg was consigning a 1962 Ferrari that
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  sold for $52 million in 2023. That's real money, as they say.
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  And at the time, it was the most valuable Ferrari ever sold at
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  auction. So I think Greg knows his shit,
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  and we're here to pry it all out of him tonight.
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  Greg, welcome to that car show. Thanks.
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  Now, how long can I have that bullet point as a fun fact?
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  Right. When is it inappropriate?
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  Like if I'm if I'm 90 and I'm in a retirement home, am I still
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  introduced that way or is it pretty much over in like 2
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  weeks? I feel like maybe there's like a
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  valley where like it's going to be good for the next like 1015
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  years, then maybe it kind of drops off because I feel like
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  that's a pretty fantastic sound bite if you're in the nursing.
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  Home. It's hard to repeat, right.
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  And it's technically the the still the most expensive Ferrari
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  ever publicly sold. Yeah.
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  And so I'm like, well, I'd like to have a new one, but right,
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  that's a big ask. I think that's a great, like you
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  just summed it up where it can be even when it kind of drops
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  off, it can be your secret motivator.
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  And let's say it doesn't get repeated.
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  That's great. Then you have a Ron Burgundy
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  moment in the nursing home and you're like, I don't know if you
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  know, I'm kind of a big deal. You may have heard of me.
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  Yeah. I mean, you can't, it can't be
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  like, you know, the world's third most expensive 240Z, you
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  know, like you gotta have the right.
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  So anyways. Because I really know that's
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  also it's, it's a good like unintentional friendly litmus
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  test where you kind of throw it out there and like the people
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  that know are going to bite on it and you're like, all right, I
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  found my people. Or if they're like true, great.
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  So what's for lunch? You're like, that's fine.
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  Like not a car guy or not a car person.
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  Really, all this just goes in to prove, you know, that there are
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  car people and then there are car people like you who are
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  fully embedded right in the hobby, in the profession.
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  So where did all this start for you And and how do we plant that
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  same seed in our own kids, Greg? That's a great question.
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  Mine got planted. So I, I call it the my forbidden
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  fruit moment. And so my dad was always
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  flipping cars, nothing special, you know, kind of junk cars,
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  just trying. He's a teacher educator and he's
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  just trying to make an extra buck, you know, So this is the
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  early 80s. And so I never knew what was
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  sitting outside, you know, And then one day his friend showed
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  up and I was probably 15 years old and he showed up in this red
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  66 Mustang convertible white top, you know, just gorgeous.
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  The, the wire spinner wheels. And I fell in love with the
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  thing, so much so that I took pictures of it.
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  I still have pictures of it. I offered to wash it so I could
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  touch it. And I think the key point is, is
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  I like, went inside, did something, came back outside and
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  it was gone. Like, I never sat in it.
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  I never opened the door, I never touched it, I never watched it
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  and so like that got fixated in my brain at that moment in time
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  and I don't currently have a Mustang.
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  You can see the one I used to have behind me there that I
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  found at Amelia Island during auction week underneath a tarp
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  and it's a real K code That was amazing find that's.
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  Incredible. Yeah.
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  And so that was that was the moment and I, I ended up joining
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  the Mustang Club of America. I became a Mustang judge of
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  first generation Mustangs, and that's where it all started,
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  yeah. I love that you imprinted on the
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  red convertible, which, you know, as Mustangs go, that's a
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  pretty classic choice. Yeah, like it's understandable.
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  Yeah, looking back at the picture, I'm like, ah, it's got
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  the wrong, you know, stripes on the rocker, You know, it's
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  probably AC code 2 barrel. But at the time I was absolutely
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  blown away. Absolutely.
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  It was an absolute. You started on this journey.
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  Right. Yeah, that's really one of the
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  tenants of your book is that, you know, collecting cars should
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  begin with genuine interest, right?
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  And not just investment potential or breaking rights
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  that go along with having, you know, a classic Ferrari or
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  something. So why do so many of us screw
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  that up? Well, you know, it's funny
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  because the first car I think I mentioned in the book is the
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  Miata, you know, as one of the best enthusiasts, collector cars
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  of all time. Not necessarily valuable, you
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  know, but it's, you know, truly engaging, fun, exciting to
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  drive. It's a driver's car.
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  I loved your description of it because it it was, you know, and
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  I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but it was like, it reinvigorated
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  the car enthusiast, sort of like get out and drive, like the, the
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  enjoyment of it, right? It was like a hey, guys, It's
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  still fun. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. And what I found really
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  interesting is I had asked a bunch of people to contribute to
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  the book. And one of the folks is previous
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  podcast guest Dave Kinney, Who does, you know, he created like
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  the valuation tools for Hacker, right?
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  He's the valuation guy. You're right.
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  And his quote was had nothing to do with value.
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  His quote was all about, you know, if it's important to you,
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  it's a collectible car, you know, right.
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  There's that connection of some sort.
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  And I didn't know that he was going to write that.
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  And so when I saw it, I'm like, oh, that's really cool.
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  I like, I love, I love that perspective from the valuation
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  guy. Well, it's even more meaningful.
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  And then that like either by chance or, you know,
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  intentionally ends up being a thread throughout the book where
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  you talk about the passion and the authenticity of the, you
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  know, interest in cars. And it ties in with what you
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  talk about, you know, do how how you define the value of a car.
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  And I think Jay Leno said this in his blurb that he contributed
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  to the book of if there's a car that your grandfather took you
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  for ice cream in every Sunday, that's priceless, right?
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  No matter, you know, what it is. Is it original numbers matching?
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  None of that is relevant because it has, you know, sentimental
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  value and you can't replicate that.
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  So did you just read the book or did you remember that?
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  I read the book. Like recently.
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  Yes, OK, After you sent it to us.
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  Oh, OK. I'm just impressed you remember.
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  That from the very. Beginning.
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  I mean it's. 400 pages, right? So can I tell you a quick
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  question about that quote from Leno?
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  Yes. Please.
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  So I had my Pontiac, this GTO behind me at the time on Leno's
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  garage like 2 years ago and that took me 4 years to get the car
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  on the garage on the on his show and it was fantastic.
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  It was awesome. So Long story short, when I
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  asked for a quote for the book, I go through his producer, super
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  nice guy David. And years ago when I was trying
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  to get Jay on the podcast, another person who I talked to,
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  she's like, all right, Jay might call ya.
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  So if you get a call from a no caller ID, answer it.
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  Make sure you say for like 2 months I'm answering every no
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  caller ID hoping it's Jay. Leno, you are the phone scammers
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  favorite Mark what we're hearing.
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  And it never was. It never was, Jay.
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  And so Fast forward to this book request after I've been on the
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  show and it's just one afternoon and I get I get a ton of spam
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  calls, you know, and it usually it says spam.
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  And then I got this, no caller ID.
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  I'm like, all right, I wasn't thinking Jay Leno.
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  I was thinking maybe I should answer this call.
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  So I answer it and he says, hey, Greg, it's Jay.
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  I'm like, Oh my God, this is awesome.
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  You know, he's like, what are you looking for?
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  And I said, well, here's what I'm looking for for a quote.
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  He's like, OK, I'll, I'll, I'll get back to you.
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  Well, then he calls me back like in, I don't know, two hours, 3
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  hours. And he's like, well, here's what
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  I wrote. And it wasn't like he had
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  somebody write it for him. Like he's like, here's what I
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  wrote. What do you think?
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  So he's reading that to me verbatim.
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  And I'm like tearing up because I'm like, this is awesome.
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  This is amazing. And then he's like, is that
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  good? I'm like, yeah, that's great.
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  And he's like, what's your e-mail address?
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  And so I tell him my e-mail address.
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  And I'm thinking in my brain, I'm like, is Jay Leno about to
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  send me an e-mail from his personal e-mail account?
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  And he did. And I asked them wisely before
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  we hung up. I'm like, hey, can I put you on
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  my newsletter? Because I do a newsletter, like,
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  every Monday. And.
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  And he's like, yeah. And so, like, I don't know, six
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  months later, I've like, I told someone, like, man, I wish I
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  knew if Jay ever read my e-mail, you know?
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  And he's like, you know, you could look that up.
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  Just look at your newsletter provider.
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  And so I did and he opens every single e-mail and I was like
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  blown away on like on multiple levels, you know, And now when I
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  see Jay, I always have to remind who I am.
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  I'm like, I wrote that book. He's like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And or I have the gold GTO because he meets so many people.
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  There's no way he. Sure.
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  Yeah. Anyway, so it was just a really
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  cool experience. That's incredible.
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  I know I've, I've gotten to meet him a couple times and I'm
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  always like, yeah, I don't ever expect you to remember the
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  number of people that pass in front of him, you know?
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  Sure. So if I get a a no caller ID
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  call during this interview, I'm going to answer it.
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  OK, that's. Nice.
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  And we're going to put it as part of this.
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  Stuff. Yeah, because he is.
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  Supposed to contribute to the Porsche book?
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  I asked him. That cool, cool, cool, cool.
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  They said yeah, we'll do it. So I just love knowing that Jay
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  remembers people by cars like the rest of us, right that.
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  That's a lot easier, yeah. Yeah, it's like when you meet
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  people at the dog park and you're like, yeah, I remember
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  the dog and I know the dog's name.
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  Couldn't tell you the owner's name, but anyway, yeah.
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  I feel so bad, Sarah, that I can't.
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  Right, I know. And Mark, yeah.
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  Yeah, Jordan, it's lovely that you have joined us tonight.
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  We are so thrilled to have you with us.
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  Yes. And we're just gonna, yeah,
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  we're gonna go by car names from here on out.
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  That's right. Yeah, Jay's the real deal, isn't
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  he? I mean it's.
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  I don't know how he does it because when we we saw him at
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  all drain, he just walked into broad arrow like looking around,
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  you know, and I I had my book with me, my copy, because I want
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  to get any contributor to autograph my copy.
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  And I well, I ran out to my rental car and I grabbed it and
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  I'm like, all right, I need to get Jay to sign this.
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  So he signed it and he did a little illustration of himself.
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  Oh my gosh. So I have an illustration that
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  Jay Leno did and then I have an illustration of what's the car,
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  the car from cars like Jay Ward or Lightning McQueen done by Jay
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  Ward. From Jay.
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  Oh my. Gosh, Jay drew that in the book.
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  And then so I'm like, well, who else can I get to Draw Something
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  in the book? Apparently they have to be named
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  Jay though. Well, that's true.
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  Oh, OK. I'm like, wait a minute.
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  So if your name is Jay, you're allowed to draw in Greg's book.
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  Otherwise, you are only allowed to sign your name.
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  That's right. That's that's the rules, yeah.
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  Yeah, I don't make the rules, you know, that's.
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  Right. So you grew up with your dad
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  flipping these cars and I'm a, you know, I'm a child of
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  educators myself. So absolutely see how that would
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  have gone down, you know, So through high school, college,
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  you know, what were you into? What did you drive?
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  What was your first car? My first car, and I have a
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  picture of it was a 68 Mustang coupe.
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  And because I wanted to make sure if I spent my money, that
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  would be my first car and I didn't have any money and I
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  couldn't afford a 65 or 66. So I got a 68.
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  My cousin helped me find it. I didn't know at the time that
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  it did not have an engine, so I just trusted him.
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  He's like, hey, it's $1000, It's a.
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  Car. Yeah, and it's a six cylinder 3
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  speed, no options. And I'm like, all right, that
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  sounds good. And so I get to a.
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  Cylinder is not in it, but that's right, minor details.
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  I'm like, there's no engine. He's like, oh, don't worry about
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  that. I know there's an engine.
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  So we, we jumped in like a 79 Dodge, you know, step side
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  orange pickup truck and we threw a tire in the bed because that's
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  how you transport an engine block if you put a tire there to
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  hold the engine block. So, so he threw that in and we
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  went to a junkyard where he knew there was a 250 cubic inch
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  little straight 6 engine out of another Mustang, probably a 69
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  or 70 Mustang. And we threw it in the the truck
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  bed and I'm sitting in the truck bed, you know, like holding the
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  engine by the carburetor. And he installed it like, you
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  know, got it running because I live 3 1/2 hours away.
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  And I was like college and I went to pick it up and I had a
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  really loud exhaust leak. Like I was smelling the fumes,
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  you know, as I'm driving 3 1/2 hours home.
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  And I called him when I got back.
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  He's like, man, I'm surprised she made it.
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  I'm like, oh, well, thanks. You know, I'm like a 18 year old
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  kid. I don't know what to do and, and
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  then as I had that car, I only had it for like a year and a
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  half. Then I I actually made money on
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  that car as I would drive it, it would conk out all of a sudden
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  and I realized that the fuel filter was getting full of rust
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  particles from the gas tank. And.
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  So because I didn't have any money, I learned, oh, if I just
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  take off the fuel filter and I shake it out, I can drive for
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  another three or four days. So that's what I would do is I
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  would. Empty out part of your routine.
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  That was part of my routine, yeah.
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  And I, I, I lived in Jacksonville and, you know, I
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  would drive it on hot summers with no ACA 100 and 1° outside.
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  And I, I had it, I don't know, a year and a half or so.
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  Then I sold it to an Air Force guy that wanted to put a big V8
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  engine in it. I'm like, all right, I, I bought
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  it, you know, I had like $1500 in it.
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  It sold for three grand. Wow, wow.
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  Hey, it was all downhill from there, huh?
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  That's right. Yeah, yeah.
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  Where where'd you go to from, from there?
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  I mean, what was what was next? And, and and I guess when did
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  this become a profession for you?
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  Not that long ago, 2000 pandemic, honestly.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  Pretty much. So what was your path from the
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  red Mustang to? So my path.
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  Is staying and then you know to where you are now.
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  My path is really weird. Everything's because of the
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  podcast, because I was in the food industry.
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  I was Nabisco, Kraft Foods, Mondelez, and I just happened to
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  look on LinkedIn. This is like 2019, not that long
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  ago. It's on LinkedIn.
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  And they had a advertisement for a car specialist, you know, open
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  position. So I applied.
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  I did not hear anything back. And they had, I'd never been to
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  an ARM auction. I'd never been a car auction
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  ever. Maybe Mecum.
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  I went to Mecum Indianapolis, you know, numerous years.
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  And so anyways, they had an auction in Dayton, OH, the John
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  Dixon Porsche collection. And so I said, well, I'm going
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  to go up there and, you know, see what's going on.
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  So I go up there and first person I see is Donnie Gold
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  walking by. And I recognized him from, like,
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  TV, like chasing classic cars or something.
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  Yeah, well, I knew who he was. And I said, Donnie, I submitted
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  a resume. I never heard anything back.
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  And so Donnie pointed to Ken and said, go talk to that guy.
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  And now Donnie takes 100% credit for giving me my career because
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  he pointed to Ken. Yeah, I owe him a drink every
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  time I see him. He's awesome.
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  Anyway, so Ken said, you know, HR filters kicked out your
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  resume. Here's my e-mail address, send
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  me your resume. So I send him my resume.
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  I don't know, like 3 months later I hear from him and he
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  said we're not going to hire you, but we like your podcast
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  and the people you have your network, you know, so we'll pick
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  up your podcast as our official podcast.
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  And you can be a part time car specialist however you want.
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  And so I started consigning cars, you know, and that's back
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  when we had Auburn. Auburn was a good one.
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  I got like 1112 cars at Auburn and I was enjoying it.
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  And then I consigned the $52 million car.
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  And you know, after a while, I'm like, you know, maybe I should
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  try to do this full time. And so I did it full time for
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  probably a little bit over a year.
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  And it's a really, really hard job, like a car specialist job
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  because you're bait. It's not just your network,
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  because your network, you might know the best collectors in the
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  world, but if they already have a relationship with that auction
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  house, you can't do business with them, right, Right.
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  You know, and I remember 11 Monterey, I, I rolled up like
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  $2,000,000 worth of cars and I didn't get any of them in
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  because at the point, you know, they're the average value, let's
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  call it 350 four, $100,000. But they only had so many spots
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  left. So they're looking for
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  $1,000,000 cars. So I understand why, but if
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  you're trying to make a living, it's pretty hard.
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  It is a hard road to hoe, as they say.
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  Yeah, so anyways, my podcast transitioned into the enthusiast
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  guidebook, which is a series and Broad Arrow, you know, via kin
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  because he moved from arm to help start Broad Arrow, right.
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  You know, they had been asking me to come over and I said I'll
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  come over as a if you want to sponsor my podcast in my book
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  series, I would love to work with you again and let me do the
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  car specialist stuff as it works for me.
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  I don't want that expectation on me from an everyday perspective.
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  So it's really worked out great. Yeah, it's fantastic.
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  It's, I don't know, two months in and it's been wonderful.
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  And they're great because I've worked with them before, you
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  know? Yeah, yeah.
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  That helps. So how does it really end up?
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  Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say it's a
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  really weird career path that yeah, like, you know, I somehow
• 18:56
  I turned my passion into my day job.
• 18:58
  Not quite sure how. Yeah.
• 18:59
  Well, so a lot of times people will say they'll refer to it as
• 19:03
  like I, you know, if somebody's really into golf, they go work
• 19:06
  as a golf pro or work at a Golf Club and they're like, and then
• 19:09
  my hobby became work and I didn't enjoy my hobby anymore.
• 19:12
  So what has it been like for you turning your passion into a
• 19:15
  career? Like what has that been like?
• 19:19
  That is a wonderful question. You burned out yet, Greg?
• 19:24
  Right here. Oh no, I'm not stalling.
• 19:26
  I swear I have an answer. That's a great question.
• 19:29
  I'm so glad you asked. Thanks so much.
• 19:31
  And yeah. Now, have you had Myron Vernus
• 19:33
  on? Yes, Yeah, we love Myron.
• 19:35
  Yeah. Yeah, so Myron's great.
• 19:37
  So before I joined RMI, called him to get his opinion and he's
• 19:41
  like, why would you ever want to do that?
• 19:45
  He's like, you're going to not like cars anymore, is basically
• 19:48
  what he was saying. Yeah.
• 19:49
  And he's not wrong. So to answer your question, I
• 19:55
  guess it's tough because now as you guys are, you probably when
• 20:00
  you go to a car show, if there's a hundred cars, there might be
• 20:04
  two that excites you because you know so much and you see so much
• 20:09
  and you experience so much. You're like, you know, 350 Bondo
• 20:14
  not interested. You know, like, oh, you know,
• 20:17
  those wheels are from the 1990s. That's, you know, like you can
• 20:20
  go through. The cars so fast that it you
• 20:25
  find it a little harder to find something that really gets you
• 20:27
  excited. Yeah.
• 20:29
  And that's. So the joy is still there.
• 20:32
  It's just I don't know if it's if you're more selective, if
• 20:35
  you're more, I don't know it. It sounds really high
• 20:37
  maintenance I would imagine. You're chasing the dragon,
• 20:40
  right? We all are.
• 20:41
  I mean, I want that, that next hit, right?
• 20:43
  That the thing we haven't tried, we haven't seen, right?
• 20:45
  Well, the two cars behind me, I mean, the hypo, that's a rare
• 20:49
  car and I found it under a tarp in Mailee Island during car
• 20:53
  week. So that was a really cool thing.
• 20:54
  And then the GTO Unrestored original family special ordered.
• 20:58
  Crazy. Those are cars everybody should
• 21:01
  get excited about. Yeah.
• 21:04
  So now it's a really good question.
• 21:06
  So my love for cars has not died.
• 21:08
  I actually, as I write the, as I wrote the first book, I got more
• 21:12
  excited about cars as I researched them because I didn't
• 21:17
  appreciate brass era as much as I should have.
• 21:20
  I definitely didn't appreciate the classic era as I researched
• 21:24
  it. I'm like, Oh my gosh, now I see
• 21:26
  why these cars are all over Pebble Beach.
• 21:28
  Like I get appreciated and like, oh, that's a Duesenberg.
• 21:30
  That's gorgeous. That's the fastest car for two
• 21:32
  decades, you know? But understanding its placement
• 21:36
  in time in the industry and what was happening, my appreciation
• 21:41
  has multiplied because I understand it more, you know.
• 21:46
  Right. Well, that was something
• 21:48
  something that was really interesting to me about your
• 21:50
  book was the veteran era. And I mean, I say this all the
• 21:54
  time, like as much as we know about the car world, there is
• 21:59
  exponentially more that we don't know.
• 22:01
  And so when I started flipping through the book, I went the
• 22:03
  veteran era. How have I never run across
• 22:05
  this? I've never heard of that.
• 22:06
  And I've been in the car world pretty much from the time I was
• 22:09
  born. So that was really cool to learn
• 22:12
  about that. And you know, I feel like I've
• 22:15
  heard brass era a lot and it seems like in a way they go hand
• 22:20
  in hand, but maybe you can talk a little bit about the veteran
• 22:22
  era for those It's. Just the evolution I've heard
• 22:25
  about. Yeah, define that if you would,
• 22:26
  Greg. It's just the evolution
• 22:28
  transitioning from 1. So you, I think it was the
• 22:31
  veterinarian to veterinarian area to, you know, to brass era,
• 22:36
  then to the classic era. So it's just the transition as
• 22:40
  technology improves. And that's what I loved about
• 22:43
  both those arrows. Yeah, you know, I combined them
• 22:45
  into one because I was trying to not have a, it was already like
• 22:48
  a 20 chapter book. But that was so fascinating
• 22:52
  because they're trying to figure it out like, all right.
• 22:55
  You know, originally a lot of the cars had the driver on the
• 22:57
  right hand side, you know, versus the left.
• 23:00
  And then some of them had a steering wheel, some of them had
• 23:02
  a tiller. You know, some of them had the
• 23:04
  brake pedal into the, or the accelerator pedal in the middle.
• 23:09
  There was no standardization yet, you know, some were chain
• 23:13
  drives, some were leather strap driven, you know, I mean, it was
• 23:18
  fascinating. And they can, it's almost like a
• 23:21
  fancy watch now or you know, so mechanical and you know, there's
• 23:26
  no early, early cars, There's no, there's no battery, you
• 23:30
  know, there's no, you know, it's all mechanical, you know, it's
• 23:34
  really, really interesting stuff, so.
• 23:36
  Craig did that standardization come out of World War 2IN large
• 23:40
  part or you know, when I don't know, you turn dials to the
• 23:44
  right to increase things and you you know, I mean, there was this
• 23:47
  I feel like it was about that same time when things.
• 23:48
  You know, it was a gradual, I want to say, and I could be
• 23:52
  wrong on this, but I believe Ford standardized the left hand
• 23:55
  driving and they kind of made it a standard just from sheer
• 23:59
  volume, you know, of, of cars on the road.
• 24:04
  It just so much of it just came over time.
• 24:06
  And you can see that even today, I mean, it's still especially as
• 24:09
  we get to like autonomous cars, but even electric cars, like how
• 24:12
  do we, how do we quantify the fuel economy and a electric car,
• 24:18
  you know, they're all that stuff.
• 24:19
  It's pretty interesting to see it happen.
• 24:20
  So I don't know, I, I sometimes I say the more electrified the
• 24:24
  world becomes, the more people will want the mechanical stuff.
• 24:29
  And so like, I don't think brass era is dead.
• 24:31
  I don't think the classic era is dead.
• 24:33
  You know, I think people will continue to go back and find
• 24:37
  that stuff, especially as it goes down in value, you'll find
• 24:39
  more people like, oh, let's explore this, you know, right,
• 24:41
  let's. Dabble, Yeah.
• 24:43
  Right, don't don't we all want authenticity right now?
• 24:46
  The genuine article, I mean, and you can't get more genuine or
• 24:49
  authentic than than that early stuff, right?
• 24:52
  I mean, it's it's experiential, right.
• 24:55
  It's it's all the, you know, part of the Colorado Grand, you
• 24:57
  know, and I'm so lucky to be a part of that.
• 24:59
  And I think the, the cars that were the group of people are the
• 25:02
  people driving like the blower Bentleys, right, right.
• 25:05
  You know, 100 year old cars and, and some, you know, I mean,
• 25:08
  yeah, the 300 SLS are, are wonderful.
• 25:10
  But you know, it's this, it's those blower Bentley drivers who
• 25:13
  are just having the best time. It's hailing, you know, they
• 25:16
  don't care, you know, the, the car's made out of fabric, right?
• 25:20
  They're just, they're just having a a great old time, you
• 25:22
  know, and that's a car. You know, I think like you when
• 25:24
  writing this book, the brass hair stuff, some of that early
• 25:26
  stuff, it was never on my radar. Never in a million years did I
• 25:29
  lust after something like that. Now there's nothing I want more
• 25:32
  than one of those Bentleys. You know, I just because you
• 25:35
  know what a, what a great experience, right?
• 25:37
  I mean, it's, that's all that thing is an, is an experience,
• 25:41
  right? You, you can't, they don't make
• 25:43
  that anymore, right? So you've got to go back in
• 25:45
  time. You've got to go back to those
• 25:46
  earlier eras. Right, right.
• 25:48
  Yeah, No, it's really crazy because I actually put a video
• 25:50
  up. I I will not get the name right,
• 25:52
  but like the first Ben's patent wagon, whatever it was called
• 25:56
  the three Wheeler. 18 The tiller, yeah. 98 you know, this
• 26:03
  is back. You know when I mentioned
• 26:04
  earlier there weren't batteries, well, people hand cranked, you
• 26:06
  know, that's back when you had the hand crank.
• 26:08
  And I always thought it'd be cool to see one of those
• 26:12
  running. And when I was at Monterey, I
• 26:14
  don't know if you saw it, but I guess Gooding had one and they
• 26:17
  were doing a test drive right out in front where the, what was
• 26:22
  it called? The Concorde Tour.
• 26:24
  Tour de Pebble. Yes, where they were taken off
• 26:27
  and I got a video of this guy driving that thing around as
• 26:29
  like a test drive. I'm like, this is the coolest
• 26:31
  thing ever, right? Yeah.
• 26:33
  Doesn't it spit out oil as it drives, right?
• 26:35
  Like it's just part of the design, Right?
• 26:37
  OK. Yeah, that's inherent.
• 26:40
  It now is not the one that, and I don't know the exact name, but
• 26:45
  that the wife of who ultimately developed Mercedes-Benz, she was
• 26:49
  the one he'd been developing and developing and developing.
• 26:52
  And you know, as the legend has it, she finally went enough and
• 26:56
  she took her mom and one of their sons and they went on, you
• 26:59
  know which what in that day was this epic 12 hour road trip by
• 27:04
  herself in if it wasn't that exact car, it was something like
• 27:08
  that. And no, you're totally right.
• 27:11
  And you go, what in the world? And this is before a Rd.
• 27:15
  Yeah, I mean, it was. Gravel or dirt roads, you know.
• 27:20
  Well, and probably the idea of like a woman driving was insane,
• 27:24
  let alone this car driving, you know, and driving that distance.
• 27:27
  You know, I got to go to the Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in
• 27:32
  Long Beach. And Nate Lander, who was on the
• 27:35
  show, he was telling that story about the car.
• 27:38
  And it's, I mean, it's just mind blowing when you look at it and
• 27:40
  you go, this is just wild. And it's like you said, with the
• 27:44
  veteran era and the brass era, that had to be incredible to see
• 27:48
  because it's almost like you can see the thought process
• 27:51
  physically played out as they're developing and figuring out like
• 27:55
  what works and what doesn't and how we want to standardize and
• 27:57
  that kind of thing. You know, we talked about the
• 27:59
  technology being leaps and bounds in the last couple
• 28:03
  decades for us and it had to be a version of that for them at
• 28:07
  the time, but with the automobile.
• 28:09
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really amazing time to be, you
• 28:14
  know, to experience and I would love to have an old Model T
• 28:18
  model A or whatever. And if you go to back to Jay
• 28:22
  Leno, if you go this year, he, he wanted to teach his producer
• 28:27
  David how to drive, who's like probably 37 or or so how to
• 28:31
  drive and, or start and drive a Model T.
• 28:35
  And that video got so many views and so much interest.
• 28:40
  And if you think it's, oh, how hard can it be?
• 28:43
  It's pretty confusing when you see all the stuff you have to
• 28:46
  do. Yeah, I'm like, oh man, you got
• 28:48
  to write this thing down. You know, I'm not sure.
• 28:50
  Once you do it, you're, it's easy peasy, you know, once you
• 28:53
  get into it. But it's like a 10 step process
• 28:55
  to get that thing going down the road.
• 28:57
  Yeah. Even though they're simple, you
• 28:58
  know, fix it with a hammer kind of stuff.
• 29:01
  Sure. Yeah.
• 29:01
  So I would love to have a brass or nickel air car for a little
• 29:06
  while, you know, just to experience.
• 29:08
  Just to try it out, right? Yeah, I want to try a car with
• 29:11
  brakes only in the rear. You know, I think that would add
• 29:13
  some spice to my day. Right.
• 29:16
  Yeah, it's not the. Starting Marvin things up.
• 29:19
  Yeah, it's the braking. You got a plan.
• 29:21
  Yeah, exactly, Exactly. Yeah.
• 29:23
  You know, you mentioned that patent wagon.
• 29:24
  I don't know if you follow TfL, Roman Micah's the guy and his
• 29:28
  son Tommy that do the TfL channels on YouTube and they've
• 29:31
  got a podcast as well. They bought one of those patent
• 29:33
  wagons, one of those recreations, the 85 or whatever
• 29:35
  that Mercedes-Benz built. And they've got a video they did
• 29:39
  a few weeks ago where they took one to McDonald's and ran it
• 29:41
  through the drive through. And they were refused service
• 29:44
  because in the eyes of the McDonald's workers, they were on
• 29:46
  a bicycle. Oh my God, That just goes to
• 29:49
  show how far the the idea of a car has come.
• 29:53
  Or you know, this concept of of what is a car has has come.
• 29:56
  Back in high school, we would jump on the little trigger thing
• 29:59
  to say in a car was pulling up and we'd walk up and act like we
• 30:03
  were driving. And they served us, you know, I
• 30:06
  mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 30:11
  Now they probably call the call the cops, but what do you know?
• 30:14
  I do think that there's this renewed interest in these older
• 30:17
  cars, but what do you think is next?
• 30:18
  What do you think is still undiscovered?
• 30:20
  It doesn't have to be something that's going to, you know, pop
• 30:22
  off in value, but just something that you think there's really
• 30:24
  something there that can be appreciated that people haven't
• 30:27
  found yet. I don't know that there's much
• 30:30
  out there from that perspective. What I will say is if you look
• 30:34
  at the history of the so I interviewed Donald Osborne
• 30:37
  recently and he had a really good point.
• 30:39
  Like typically I would tell people, you know, if your dream
• 30:43
  car was a 57 T bird, you're probably selling that or your
• 30:47
  state is selling that 57 T bird right now just because of
• 30:50
  demographics. You know, you're probably in
• 30:52
  your late 70s, early 80s, and that's why the prices are going
• 30:56
  down, which I do believe is a part of it.
• 30:59
  But Donald had a really good point.
• 31:00
  He's like, basically, I'm not going to get this exactly right.
• 31:03
  But instead of having, you know, 40 years of cars that collector
• 31:09
  cars to chase, we have like 90 years of collector cars to
• 31:13
  chase, you know, and every year it gets long wider, you know,
• 31:16
  the the era of offerings gets bigger, right?
• 31:22
  And so I'm like, that is so correct because I sold my
• 31:24
  Mustang, so my GTO and like I'm looking at an 85911 hopefully
• 31:30
  next week. I tried to buy a 97 BMW, which
• 31:33
  were never on my radar until they're 2030 years old.
• 31:37
  And I'm like, well, that's a really, really good point.
• 31:40
  And so, you know, if you look at the entire time frame of cars,
• 31:47
  year to date and look in the future and let's make the
• 31:49
  assumption that in the future they're not going to be
• 31:53
  collectible like the new Ferrari SF90.
• 31:56
  Like where are you going to get that battery service?
• 31:58
  Who's going to do replacement parts?
• 32:00
  You know, electrical, like Jay Leno likes to say is electric.
• 32:04
  Electrical stuff disintegrates or you know, mechanical stuff
• 32:09
  you can fix, you know. And so, you know, you could make
• 32:13
  the argument that there are no more future collectibles right
• 32:16
  now, except for some very rare hyper whatever stuff.
• 32:20
  And so if you, if you go by that mindset, that will continue to
• 32:24
  have more, you know, computer, you know, CPU's, all that kind
• 32:29
  of stuff. Going forward.
• 32:32
  To me, the, the could be the most significant collectible
• 32:36
  time frame is going to be like 2005 to 2015, you know, 'cause
• 32:42
  it's like the last of the cars you can actually kind of work
• 32:45
  on. They're pretty quick.
• 32:47
  They're pretty fast. And so like I would love to have
• 32:51
  and, and everybody, all the Porsche guys are going after
• 32:53
  this, but like the last small naturally aspirated 9/11 manual
• 33:00
  is a 2012 Carrera S. And so I would, I would love to
• 33:03
  have one of those, but everybody else is realizing that as well.
• 33:07
  Is a popular opinion. It is a yeah, I got laughed at
• 33:11
  by a guy. He's like, oh, you're just going
• 33:13
  after that because everybody else is.
• 33:14
  I'm like oh I don't know everybody else wants but like I
• 33:17
  bought my wife an 05 boxer S out of a collection.
• 33:21
  Only had 19,000 miles on it. Wow wow.
• 33:23
  And that's a great little. Car A wonderful car.
• 33:26
  She's got almost 7000 miles on it now.
• 33:28
  It's been a year and a half, you know, and.
• 33:30
  She's enjoying it. That's great.
• 33:32
  Yeah, and I've said this. Before we should all be buying
• 33:35
  those, we should be filling barns with those cars because
• 33:38
  they're just wonderful and they're, they'll never be
• 33:40
  cheaper, right? And they're never going to make
• 33:42
  those cars again. And it's an era of time.
• 33:45
  I say like the last of the analog, but everything was
• 33:47
  analog prior. Well, you know, it's a moment of
• 33:51
  time. It's a sliding scale.
• 33:53
  A sliding scale, but it's like the highest performance, most
• 33:56
  reliable creature comforts, you know, not overrun with CPU's
• 34:02
  and, you know, hybridization and batteries.
• 34:06
  And so it could be like the really sweet spot.
• 34:10
  And so like my daily is a 2000 14 Toya FJ and I've got 125,000
• 34:17
  miles on it and I've been thinking about selling it and
• 34:20
  getting a Grenadier because I'm like why would I not put another
• 34:24
  100,000 miles on this FJ because I'll never have one again you
• 34:28
  know, unless I, you know, find a little mile 1 so.
• 34:31
  Yeah, well, I. Don't know if that answered your
• 34:33
  question or not. Yeah, it did.
• 34:36
  It did I. No, I love it.
• 34:39
  So I have to ask, what 97 BMW were you almost buying?
• 34:44
  This is where a car specialist job sucks because I.
• 34:49
  We're going to get lost behind the curtain.
• 34:50
  That's what we like. Well, like I've lost some
• 34:54
  collections that had nothing to do with me.
• 34:56
  And, you know, you build these relationships up for years and
• 35:00
  then some other auction house swings in with a big check and
• 35:03
  you're, you're done. You know, and this was a little
• 35:08
  different. This was a friend of mine and I
• 35:10
  I was chasing the car before I was with RM and anyways, he
• 35:15
  bought it new. 97, four door, white M3.
• 35:20
  I didn't know this, but they call the nickname that what the
• 35:22
  kids call it. It's the 345, yeah.
• 35:24
  M3 Kramer taught me that. 5 speed.
• 35:27
  Yeah, they and I love it. And it's just a perfect car and
• 35:32
  it only had 9500 miles on it. Wow.
• 35:35
  And so he unfortunately passed away and I was good friends with
• 35:39
  his night. Well, nice friends with his
• 35:42
  wife. And anyways, she never told me
• 35:46
  her grandson was in the car business.
• 35:48
  And so he had a relationship with like a dealer or something
• 35:52
  that swooped in and got all the cars and then did like a Manheim
• 35:57
  auction that I didn't have access to.
• 36:00
  But apparently even the, the, the offer she got from the
• 36:03
  dealer was way more than the car.
• 36:05
  And I think I would have thought 55 to 65.
• 36:08
  And they offered like, I don't know, like 85 or 95,000.
• 36:12
  And I thought that was crazy for a, a dealer offer.
• 36:16
  So I would have loved to have a shot at that because that would
• 36:18
  have been a wonderful car to enjoy a friend's car.
• 36:21
  That would have been cool, right?
• 36:23
  Yeah, so that's I have a 98 silver 4 door M3 that's was
• 36:29
  turned into my track car. So now it's a 4 door 2 seater
• 36:32
  but I still have it and I love it.
• 36:34
  Is it an $85,000 driving experience?
• 36:38
  I'm like, sorry, did you say 85? Yeah, I may need to rethink
• 36:42
  everything. Well, they overpaid for a bunch
• 36:45
  of stuff, which is good for. Her.
• 36:47
  I mean. Yeah, great to be on the
• 36:49
  receiving end of that. But yeah, no, mine is probably
• 36:51
  not because it has most of the interior stripped out and a half
• 36:54
  cage and yadda, yadda, yadda. It's different.
• 36:57
  It's a different proposition. You're right.
• 36:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:01
  So I I just want something German for some reason or or my
• 37:06
  buddy's neighbor has is the original owner of a 77 trans am
• 37:14
  bandit car 455 four speed for like 16,000 miles.
• 37:19
  Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, 85 Porsche,
• 37:23
  you know, Carrera or big Block 4 speed 70, I can go either way.
• 37:29
  Yeah. I mean, those are both great
• 37:30
  choices, right? Yeah, you know, if you love
• 37:33
  everything, you don't have to be picky.
• 37:35
  That's. That's true.
• 37:36
  That's and we've talked about this before.
• 37:37
  We are in this sort of post performance era, right where
• 37:41
  everything is fast right, So you can just go and enjoy the car
• 37:44
  right. You can enjoy everything else
• 37:46
  about the car right. We have a guy who drives one of
• 37:48
  those trans Ams around locally. He just looks like he's having
• 37:50
  the best time. I'm sure there's like a A6 pack
• 37:53
  of like natty light in the passenger seat and he's off to
• 37:55
  the out of the roller rink or something.
• 37:57
  I mean that's that's that's what it seems like right.
• 37:59
  Every time you see, he just looks like he's having the best
• 38:01
  time. And I don't know that I have a
• 38:02
  better time in that Porsche. Yeah, I want the Porsche, right?
• 38:05
  Because it's, you know, but but yeah, I think that that Trans Am
• 38:09
  is the recipe for a a good night.
• 38:12
  Well, it's funny as the Mustang behind me, it's been repainted
• 38:16
  and it is a real K code and all that, but it has paint chips on
• 38:19
  it and stuff. So when I bought it and I I kept
• 38:22
  I, it was in Amelia Island. So I wanted to drive it the next
• 38:26
  year. And so when I was at Amelia
• 38:28
  Island, it was everybody loved it.
• 38:30
  Like it has a rare exhaust on it.
• 38:32
  So it's loud, but I was flying down the gravel roads, the dirt
• 38:36
  roads and people like, is that guy driving up Saint fast?
• 38:40
  But you don't have to worry about it.
• 38:41
  I, I made a little sticker. I called it Patina is Freeing,
• 38:45
  meaning, you know, you have to worry about it.
• 38:47
  Yeah. Now the GTO is different.
• 38:49
  That's original paint. And I'm like, scared to death
• 38:52
  that something will happen to it.
• 38:54
  So I did sell that, but it went to a collector so.
• 38:57
  Went to a good home. Went to a great home, yeah.
• 39:00
  That's good. Well, should we talk about your
• 39:02
  book? Actually, it went to a home very
• 39:05
  close to you, Lindsay. I'll take that.
• 39:07
  Later, yes it did. Yeah, well, let's let's talk
• 39:10
  about that off, off. My I'll have to go check.
• 39:14
  In on it for you. Yeah.
• 39:17
  So you wrote the Enthusiast Guide to Collector Cars, and So
• 39:20
  what prompted you to embark on this journey of authorship and
• 39:25
  write this particular book? So I've realized a long time,
• 39:30
  well, no, I finally realized that I'm a content guy.
• 39:34
  Like I'm going to create content no matter what.
• 39:37
  You know, like you know this with a podcast, you don't, you
• 39:41
  don't watch to see who downloads.
• 39:43
  You don't care about the download numbers.
• 39:45
  You don't care usually there's a passion there, right?
• 39:49
  And so you're doing it because you want to share your passion.
• 39:52
  You like telling stories, you like whatever.
• 39:55
  And so I wrote a business book for kids like 15 years ago and I
• 40:01
  like to do cartoons and stuff. And so I did 206 illustrations
• 40:06
  and I enjoyed it. I really love doing it and as.
• 40:13
  I'm sharing. My nieces and nephews are
• 40:15
  getting older. They're getting into cars, but
• 40:17
  they're always about like the swoopy Ferrari or the Lambeau.
• 40:20
  And because they don't know any better, you know, it's the
• 40:24
  newest, fanciest, flashiest, loudest, fast, whatever.
• 40:28
  And I thought, you know what, there's really not one book that
• 40:32
  I could think of or that I could find that is an easy entry point
• 40:36
  to the entire collector car world.
• 40:39
  And that is easy to read, that is snippets, you know, so it's
• 40:45
  like fun facts. You know, why is this important?
• 40:49
  Why should a new enthusiast care?
• 40:50
  What's the timeline of innovation or however I put it?
• 40:55
  You know, what's, what are a few spotlight cars?
• 40:57
  You know what? And anyway, so that was the
• 41:00
  reason being, and also my wife Jenny, she's really getting in
• 41:03
  the cars, and she wanted me to start quizzing her on the
• 41:07
  different generations of Corvettes.
• 41:09
  Oh, I love it. Yeah.
• 41:11
  So I'm like, all right, well, what Corvette is that?
• 41:12
  And so she'll guess. And, you know, she's got them
• 41:15
  all down C1 to C8. Nice.
• 41:17
  And you're Don Jenny. Amazing.
• 41:19
  Yeah, and I also think about the poor spouses, male or female,
• 41:24
  that put up with the car people. Yeah.
• 41:26
  And it's like not not that you give them a book like, Hey,
• 41:30
  you'll know, you'll get my passion if you read this, you
• 41:33
  know, but it could be an entry point to where maybe, you know,
• 41:37
  that couple can actually enjoy things a little more because
• 41:40
  there might be a little bit new appreciation.
• 41:43
  Right. They can connect on that part as
• 41:45
  opposed to being the long-suffering.
• 41:47
  Yeah, yeah. And then also for like, you
• 41:49
  know, I'm a muscle pony car guy. Well, I ain't Ferrari guy now,
• 41:52
  but, you know, if you're a muscle car guy and you don't
• 41:57
  understand why Porsches are special, you know, maybe maybe
• 42:01
  this will give a little insight or why brass era or why
• 42:05
  classics, you know? Yeah.
• 42:07
  And so it's it's really meant for like everybody.
• 42:09
  I know you can't say that when you're trying to pitch a book,
• 42:12
  but. You can say that's.
• 42:13
  What this is I can? Say, right, you're old enough to
• 42:16
  remember like those pre iPhone halcyon days of like the
• 42:19
  bathroom book, right, like the Guinness Book of Worlds records
• 42:22
  that you know you keep next to the that's this book, right?
• 42:25
  You can go, you can read it from, you know, cover to cover
• 42:27
  or you can spend 10 minutes of quality time, you know, with the
• 42:31
  like you said. It was meant for a toilet.
• 42:32
  That's great. Not to put too fine a point on
• 42:36
  it, right? But it's, it's accessible, Yeah,
• 42:40
  I guess is what I'm getting. Can I call right And yeah.
• 42:43
  Ryan would like to contribute. That's his review for the.
• 42:46
  I know Jay Leno, but yeah. Great for the shitter.
• 42:52
  Right, that's your subhead for the next one.
• 42:56
  Oh please ask me please. So it's it's really funny you
• 42:59
  said that because I had two favorite books as a kid is I had
• 43:03
  the Guinness Book of World Record.
• 43:04
  Yeah. And I had there was like this
• 43:07
  Encyclopedia Brown mysteries, but they're all.
• 43:09
  Short. I was right with you, Greg.
• 43:10
  Yep. They were very.
• 43:11
  I always had the yeah, yeah. You like read like 5 pages and
• 43:15
  you had the solution 2 pages later, you know?
• 43:17
  Yeah. And that's what I want to see.
• 43:20
  My book dog eared and torn up and in a kids backpack.
• 43:24
  Which is why it's not a hard cover.
• 43:25
  I want it to be a soft cover. Yep.
• 43:28
  I vision now. My my issue is it turned out a
• 43:30
  little thicker than I thought and heavier than I thought.
• 43:34
  So maybe it sits on their night stand, maybe it's not travelling
• 43:37
  with them, but. Yeah, and so I, I don't know if
• 43:40
  you've seen this, but I had this thing called see a kid give a
• 43:43
  book. And so I've been giving out
• 43:46
  books as I can, thanks to Broad Arrow sponsoring and and
• 43:51
  Anonymous folks. So I have a a weekly newsletter
• 43:54
  and every once in a while put something in there.
• 43:56
  And I had someone who's at a very high level at a Concord
• 44:01
  that we all know about. He's like, hey, can I buy 2
• 44:04
  cases that you can give out? Like, yeah, you know, and I had
• 44:08
  someone else that just bought 2 cases.
• 44:10
  They're donating one to the Lemay and then the other case
• 44:16
  they'd say, hey, just, you know, let us know where you give them
• 44:19
  out, you know, and fantastic. So at Aldrain, I gave out 36
• 44:25
  books to every youth judge. And that was really cool because
• 44:29
  I got pictures with the parents and the kid holding up the book.
• 44:33
  And that's an initiative that broad arrows recouping at a much
• 44:38
  lower cost because I I'm not in it to make money, right.
• 44:41
  And so I'm hoping every Haggerty, the youth judge for
• 44:45
  the foreseeable future will get a a book with like their when
• 44:49
  they sign up. You know, that's cool.
• 44:51
  That's awesome. Yeah.
• 44:52
  And so that's that's the goal. Yeah, I love that that
• 44:55
  definitely because I get your newsletter and I think you said
• 44:58
  it's weekly and that really caught my attention when you
• 45:01
  mentioned that because I think you did that in Monterey as well
• 45:04
  at Car Week this year, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:07
  So self selfless plug. If you like my newsletter, go to
• 45:11
  collectcarpodcast.com and sign up.
• 45:15
  That's good. Yeah, check that box.
• 45:16
  We don't have to mention that at the end.
• 45:19
  Well, you know, it's funny because I mentioned I do.
• 45:21
  I have like 10 newsletters I want to put out there that I
• 45:24
  just think will be funny and fun and engaging like I've always.
• 45:28
  I did this one a couple weeks ago.
• 45:29
  I called it the car show stare. Because when you're at a car
• 45:33
  show, either you're showing a car and you're staring at
• 45:37
  everybody hoping they make eye contact, right?
• 45:40
  And now they have to talk to you about your car because you're
• 45:42
  dying to tell someone about your car, right?
• 45:45
  Or you're walking the show field and you don't want to make eye
• 45:48
  contact unless it's a car you really want to talk about for 15
• 45:51
  minutes. So anyways, I always thought
• 45:53
  that was funny, but I have one coming up.
• 45:54
  I'm trying to wait. Do you remember the Sarah
• 45:57
  McLaughlin? Pathetic, Pathetic.
• 46:00
  Sad. Animal Rescue.
• 46:02
  Yes, in the eyes of the Angel. Yeah, that way.
• 46:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm doing a newsletter
• 46:08
  of, you know, 50% of children don't know what a carburetor is,
• 46:13
  you know? That's great.
• 46:15
  For the price of an oil change, you can stop through a kid, you
• 46:19
  know, so that's going to come out in a couple weeks.
• 46:22
  And then I saw. Struthers still around?
• 46:24
  I don't. Know, Oh my God.
• 46:26
  These days. Oh, I got to do that and then.
• 46:29
  They're on part Yeah, those two. So that's going to be a really.
• 46:32
  Like, I have a great image of a kid looking confused at all the
• 46:36
  plastic under a hood. And then there's a kid looking
• 46:39
  all excited at the carburetors on AV12 Ferrari, you know?
• 46:45
  Yeah. And then I have another one I'm
• 46:47
  doing one that honors the car, the car enthusiast spouse
• 46:52
  because they put up with a lot. They sure do.
• 46:56
  Well, you, you said your wife is just getting into cars.
• 46:59
  My wife won't ride with me, you know, at least in a sports car.
• 47:03
  So what, what, what did that take?
• 47:05
  What changed? What was?
• 47:06
  You don't want to know what's going to cost you money.
• 47:10
  Now who doesn't pay anything? Back to her having her own
• 47:13
  boxer. Right.
• 47:15
  So I'm of the mindset of as long as it's reasonable, you know, if
• 47:21
  you want to get your spouse engaged, whatever they show
• 47:23
  interest in, get it right. And so and that, and that came
• 47:27
  down to even our daily drivers, like, yeah, my wife always liked
• 47:31
  the Chrysler 300. So I got a Chrysler 300.
• 47:33
  Yeah, she was the one that liked the Toyota FJ and I kind of poo
• 47:37
  poo tanishly. Yeah.
• 47:39
  So that was her car, you know, and then I then I got her a, a
• 47:44
  Macon S and then I inherited wisely the, the FJ And so, and I
• 47:52
  had a 999-6911. That was my first Porsche.
• 47:57
  And I wanted something she would drive, you know, and because she
• 48:02
  wanted to drive the Mustang, I did get her to drive it once.
• 48:04
  She drove the GTO once, but she was just too nervous about it.
• 48:07
  Didn't want to hurt him. You know, I'm like, you could
• 48:09
  buy every part on the Mustang out of MPD or NPR National Parts
• 48:13
  Depot MPD Anyway, so I wanted something she would drive.
• 48:17
  And so the 9/11, she would drive that around and really enjoyed
• 48:20
  it. And at one point when this
• 48:22
  picture behind me was taken, I didn't have any.
• 48:23
  I just had a pony car and a muscle car.
• 48:25
  And she's like, I really miss, we called it Ducky because I had
• 48:28
  a ducktail spoiler. I really missed the 996.
• 48:31
  And I'm like, well, we could resolve that.
• 48:34
  That is a fixable problem, my love.
• 48:37
  Yeah. And So what was funny is I was
• 48:39
  chasing that 997.2 to 2012. My buddy had one and we had kind
• 48:46
  of informally agreed on a price. And so when she kind of gave me,
• 48:50
  hey, you know, we could fit another cool car in the garage
• 48:53
  that she would enjoy and drive, I called him up.
• 48:55
  I'm like, hey, I'm ready to buy the 997.2.
• 48:58
  He's like, I'm not let it, let it go.
• 49:00
  And I'm like, oh man, that stinks.
• 49:02
  And she did not want a convertible.
• 49:04
  And I said, well, what else you got laying around there?
• 49:06
  Because I knew him And one of my old clients had bought a
• 49:10
  collection of low mileage Porsches recently and they had
• 49:14
  been selling them off. And he's like, well, we have a
• 49:18
  2005 Turbo and it has like 1100 miles and yeah, we're asking
• 49:24
  $179,000. I'm like God, I won't do that.
• 49:29
  What else? Do you have what else do you
• 49:30
  have? We got that little O 5 Boxster S
• 49:33
  for like 30 grand like Oh well let me go look at that.
• 49:37
  And I sent her a picture. I said would this do?
• 49:40
  She's like absolutely nice, nice.
• 49:43
  And I didn't even drive it till I owned it cuz I'm like I know
• 49:46
  the owners. I know everything about the car.
• 49:49
  I'm gonna love it. And sure enough, we both love
• 49:51
  it. That's tough.
• 49:54
  So you buy your wife whatever she wants.
• 49:56
  That's right. It's that simple, yeah.
• 49:59
  You have. I'd love to see her in the
• 50:00
  2012997.2, but as you know, you know, talk about what makes a
• 50:04
  car collectible and that is the collectible sweet spot because
• 50:08
  they hardly made any of those dot twos with the economic
• 50:10
  downturn, right? They went to the direct
• 50:11
  injection engine. So they're just that is the era.
• 50:14
  You want a 997.2, but so does everyone else, and that's the
• 50:17
  problem, right? Yeah, it went up probably 30
• 50:19
  grand in the time that has passed since I almost bought it,
• 50:24
  unfortunately. Just bought a 997.2 GT three
• 50:29
  with 40,000 miles. It was at a Porsche dealer for
• 50:32
  $80,000. You know what, they bought it.
• 50:35
  No I almost I ended up buying a new GT4 instead which is done OK
• 50:38
  too. But had I bought that GT3, I
• 50:40
  would have easily tripled or quadrupled my money.
• 50:42
  Well, I really wanted GT 4 was high on my list.
• 50:45
  Yeah, sure. Yeah.
• 50:47
  Well, you're in good company, Greg.
• 50:48
  Yeah. I heard the gearing was a little
• 50:51
  long, do you like driving it? You know, I, I love it and it's
• 50:54
  a car I'll keep forever if I can help it.
• 50:56
  When you are on it that that tall gearing goes away.
• 50:59
  It's only when you're around town that you sort of notice it
• 51:02
  and you think, Hey, I wish I was, you know, rowing gears a
• 51:04
  little bit more. But when you're on it, it just
• 51:06
  it, it, it, it makes sense. It right, It makes sense.
• 51:10
  It's just when you're when once you're in the power band, it all
• 51:12
  feels right and and there's just wonderful cars.
• 51:15
  I'm I'm a convert, having owned, you know, 997.1911.
• 51:19
  I've just owned Cayman, you know Cayman cars since just because I
• 51:22
  think they're they're just a better a better platform and I
• 51:25
  don't think I'll ever go back. But there's something about just
• 51:28
  the look, the size, you know of the 997 dot twos, you know how
• 51:31
  they look from the the the tail end, the GT3 especially they're
• 51:34
  just wonderful cars. But what color said that?
• 51:37
  It was a black one. I have a silver GT4 and Lindsay
• 51:40
  has a as a GT4 as well. Oh.
• 51:42
  You do. And Dan?
• 51:45
  It's white, actually. It's also straight pipe to Greg,
• 51:48
  so Lindsay and her husband were so kind.
• 51:51
  They bought it in Kansas City. They drove home to Seattle and
• 51:54
  stopped to see me in Denver on the way and I heard them coming
• 51:58
  way before I saw them coming. But it's a.
• 52:00
  We didn't have to give that one up.
• 52:02
  It's a. Beautiful song.
• 52:03
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 52:04
  Now, the GT 4 is still kind of on my list, but they've gone up
• 52:08
  well. You can't say enough and you
• 52:10
  can't go wrong with either the, the, you know, the, the 16 or
• 52:13
  the, the 718. They're just wonderful cars.
• 52:16
  It really just comes down to you know what, what shape does it
• 52:19
  for you. But yeah, if you're ever in
• 52:21
  Denver, you can drive mine and then you'll be sold.
• 52:22
  So. I'm going.
• 52:24
  To come to Seattle, well I mean if it tells you anything, we
• 52:30
  picked ours up and did a 2000 mile road trip and like can't
• 52:34
  say a bad thing about it. Yeah.
• 52:36
  Fuck is funny because when I had the yeah, when I had another
• 52:41
  Mustang and the GTO, my wife was like, you could sell any car,
• 52:46
  whatever you want to do, do it. Just don't sell my box your ass.
• 52:50
  And I said, well, what if I upgrade it?
• 52:52
  And she's like, OK, we're good. Honestly, that Boxster is is,
• 52:59
  you know, probably 95% of the fun.
• 53:00
  Honestly, it's just those are such good cars.
• 53:02
  But any case. I know.
• 53:04
  It's so good. They're all so good.
• 53:05
  Well, so you did end up parting with the GTO?
• 53:09
  Yes. How did you arrive at that
• 53:11
  decision? Because I remember that was a
• 53:13
  rather significant moment. So couple couple things.
• 53:20
  First off, I don't know that I'm a preservation car owner for the
• 53:24
  long term because I like to drive them.
• 53:26
  Yeah. And the other thing was, as I
• 53:30
  did so much with with it, I got it on Jay Leno's garage with the
• 53:34
  daughters of the original owner. I took it to the muscle car in
• 53:38
  Corvette Nationals. You know, I won the preservation
• 53:41
  award at our local Concord event.
• 53:44
  And I'm not a guy that shows cars at car shows.
• 53:47
  Like I'm like, I can't, you know, I'll judge cars, I'll go
• 53:51
  to car shows, but I can't just sit in a lawn chair for six or
• 53:55
  seven hours. I just, I'm not built that way.
• 53:57
  So it just came down to, all right, I think I've had I've,
• 54:02
  I've shared the story and that was the promise I made the
• 54:04
  daughters. I said I'll share this.
• 54:06
  And that was before I got on Jay Leno's garage, which I'm like,
• 54:09
  all right, I can't do anything better than that.
• 54:11
  And they were super thrilled. So I kind of checked the box and
• 54:14
  now I want to find the next car to share the story.
• 54:18
  Yeah, and there's a few I'm chasing like I can't.
• 54:21
  She won't talk to me anymore because I think she thinks I'm a
• 54:23
  stalker. But there's an unrestored 65K
• 54:30
  code fastback GT Twilight Turquoise with like original
• 54:36
  owner with like 6500 miles on it.
• 54:39
  And. I'm like, that would be another
• 54:41
  car to tell the story. So.
• 54:43
  That's what I'm trying to, you know, like that the Trans Am I
• 54:47
  mentioned earlier. That would be a fun one.
• 54:50
  Yeah. You know, I'm just trying to
• 54:52
  either either I want a new story to tell that's really
• 54:55
  interesting or a new experience to have, which is why I'm like
• 54:59
  looking at the German cars right now, so.
• 55:02
  Try something new. Yeah, right.
• 55:04
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I probably will regret the
• 55:07
  blue car behind me. Like I know who owns it, it's
• 55:10
  local, it's still there. Cuz that car, it wasn't perfect,
• 55:15
  you know, and it was a pain to drive slowly because it had no
• 55:18
  power steering, right? But I will probably regret that
• 55:22
  one. Did you regret every car you get
• 55:24
  rid of though? Or is there one that you're
• 55:25
  like, yeah, good riddance? Not good riddance, but I'm like
• 55:29
  I'm glad I don't have that one anymore.
• 55:32
  Like I just sold the K code convertible poppy red and I kind
• 55:37
  of found it as a fluke. I should have never bought it
• 55:40
  like it. It looked great, it ran great,
• 55:43
  but there are so many things wrong with it, like you know,
• 55:46
  where the paint looked great, but you know, it wasn't supposed
• 55:50
  to have like the the GT package, which if you know anything,
• 55:54
  there's additional drill holes to put the Mustang script and to
• 55:59
  do different things like to fix it.
• 56:01
  You're talking about a paint job, you know, and there's just
• 56:04
  a lot of little things that the interior had some sort of like
• 56:09
  just enough to drive me freaking nuts, but not enough for me to
• 56:12
  actually go fix. Them.
• 56:13
  Yep, just like that. Fine line of and then anyway, so
• 56:18
  I that was a car. It was just stunning to look at,
• 56:22
  fun to drive, but I'm like, all right, I want to.
• 56:26
  And this is when I thought my, I could have a shot at the BMW and
• 56:29
  some other cars. So I thought, let me free up the
• 56:32
  bank account and then there's those opportunities.
• 56:35
  Did not happen. Yeah.
• 56:37
  So now you're going to freed yourself up for what is supposed
• 56:39
  to what is supposed to come into your life.
• 56:41
  Yeah, right. I like I told my wife, I'm
• 56:43
  waiting for the car to come to me.
• 56:45
  Yeah. And it will.
• 56:47
  And it will the 80. 5 Porsche's kind of coming to me because
• 56:51
  it's not advertised for sale it's just somebody that I said
• 56:54
  hey let me know if you're interested I'm like oh that
• 56:56
  that's that's on the list so we'll.
• 56:58
  Say. Turns out I am interested, yeah.
• 57:00
  Right, right. Greg, I've got to ask and I've
• 57:03
  got to steer this back to your podcast for a second because it
• 57:05
  just hit me that is this correct?
• 57:07
  You've done over 500 episodes. That is wrong.
• 57:10
  No. It's wrong.
• 57:12
  OK, 442 goes up tomorrow. So for being specific news.
• 57:23
  You know, and maybe that doesn't sound like a lot to some of the
• 57:25
  fine folks listening, but as someone who's done this now for
• 57:26
  a hot minute, that's a fucking miracle.
• 57:29
  That is a lot episode and maybe your secret is you do with them
• 57:32
  by yourself, right? But what?
• 57:34
  Make everything up. Who's who've been your favorite
• 57:38
  guests? I mean because you are a guest
• 57:40
  driven show. Yeah.
• 57:41
  So yeah, Johnny Lieberman was great.
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  I really like Johnny a lot. He's a good guest.
• 57:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. To Donald Osborne, who I'm sure
• 57:50
  was. Wonderful.
• 57:51
  Yeah, Donald was great. Actually interviewed him on the
• 57:53
  Porsche, the PCA cruise. So if you watch the video, we're
• 57:57
  actually sitting on lawn chairs on a cruise ship.
• 58:00
  Perfect. Never done that before.
• 58:03
  A podcast first. I've had Bruce Meyer on like 3
• 58:06
  or 4 times, he's always fantastic.
• 58:09
  Yeah, he's wonderful. There's so many that are so good
• 58:11
  and you know, it's interesting the one that really it seems to
• 58:16
  have legs and I understand why is I had three of the car
• 58:19
  specialists from Broad Arrow on to kind of talk about the
• 58:22
  market. Yeah.
• 58:24
  Yeah. And that I think people were
• 58:27
  just fascinated to have three car specialists kind of talking
• 58:30
  about the market, you know. And so I'm going to try to
• 58:33
  repeat that and mix it up. Sometimes it's hard to get car
• 58:37
  specialists on at times. Like they're a lot of them are
• 58:39
  pretty private, believe it or not, or they they want to keep
• 58:42
  to themselves, you know? Which is far busy, yeah.
• 58:45
  Right, yeah. And the other one I'm, I'm going
• 58:48
  to have three of the valuation experts on Dave Kinney and Brian
• 58:53
  Raybould and Greg Ingle Eibold. Anyways, those three on SO
• 59:00
  Haggerty evaluation roundtable, hopefully soon.
• 59:02
  OK, cool. Yeah, that would be interesting.
• 59:04
  Well, Dave is so interesting when you think about it could be
• 59:08
  a potentially dry subject and he has a way of making it super
• 59:11
  engaging and interesting and you always learn something.
• 59:14
  I feel like and he he's so generous with his knowledge that
• 59:18
  it's I'm I look forward to listening.
• 59:21
  Yeah, like, Ken Gross is always great.
• 59:24
  Wayne Creaney is always great. Bill Warner's always great.
• 59:27
  You know, Bill's incredibly funny and oh, you'll like this.
• 59:32
  I don't know when the episode's going to come out, but for the
• 59:34
  Porsche book, Bill Bill contributed a quote to the first
• 59:37
  book, Small World. I grew up in Jacksonville.
• 59:40
  He's in Jacksonville. The the, the street, his hangers
• 59:45
  on where his cars are. Half mile one way is my
• 59:49
  kindergarten, half mile the other way is where we took our
• 59:53
  animals to the vet. And I went to high school with
• 59:56
  his two daughters. And I didn't know him, but I
• 1:00:00
  knew who they were because they were identical twin dog, you
• 1:00:01
  know, identical twins. And I took their best friend to
• 1:00:05
  prom my junior year. And so Bill and I, we've always
• 1:00:10
  hit it off. He's always been great.
• 1:00:11
  And I asked him, I'm like, would you mind contributing one of
• 1:00:14
  your pictures you took in the 60s?
• 1:00:17
  Of a famous Porsche picture and let me use it in the book he's
• 1:00:21
  like, you could have whatever you want I'm like oh all right
• 1:00:24
  well can would you contribute 20 pictures Did you open the door
• 1:00:30
  right. And so I, I said, you know what,
• 1:00:33
  let me just come down to Jacksonville and we'll, we'll go
• 1:00:35
  through some pictures. I wasn't sure.
• 1:00:36
  Are we gonna look at folders or what?
• 1:00:39
  And so I was, I'm not a smart man, but I was smart enough to
• 1:00:42
  realize I should probably get a videographer to do to join us,
• 1:00:46
  you know, And so I'm so glad I did because, you know, some of
• 1:00:52
  the pictures were on the wall. And I just interviewed Hurley
• 1:00:54
  Haywood, who was a great interview.
• 1:00:56
  Oh, wow. And Hurley, I asked him what's
• 1:00:58
  the most significant, you know, like event.
• 1:01:00
  And it was when the bird hit his hit his windshield.
• 1:01:03
  And there's a famous picture of the 59 Brumos Porsche with the
• 1:01:07
  dead bird on the ground in black and white photograph.
• 1:01:10
  And you know, there you can see where he hit the windshield.
• 1:01:13
  Well, that picture was taken by Bill Warner.
• 1:01:15
  Oh, no kidding. And I'm like what I just had
• 1:01:18
  early on, like 3 weeks ago talking about the story and I'm
• 1:01:20
  looking at the picture that you took of that incident.
• 1:01:23
  With the person who took it, that's incredible.
• 1:01:25
  Yeah. And so we're looking at his big
• 1:01:27
  wall in the garage. I'm like, can we just have him
• 1:01:30
  videotape us walking down the wall, You know, and it was
• 1:01:35
  amazing. Like we talked about, yeah, the
• 1:01:36
  Porsche pictures, but then what about this trophy?
• 1:01:39
  Or what about this car part? Or what about and all of them
• 1:01:44
  was related to a famous person or race or whatever.
• 1:01:49
  And there was like this, I think it was AI think it was a Lotus.
• 1:01:51
  There was this car part and underneath it was a black and
• 1:01:54
  white photograph. And it was a photograph of the
• 1:01:59
  car wrecking during the race and this guy hauling ass trying not
• 1:02:04
  to get hit by the car. And Bill Warner, he's like,
• 1:02:08
  well, I'm the guy that's hauling ass.
• 1:02:10
  I was the guy that almost got hit by that car.
• 1:02:12
  Someone else took the picture and he's like, as a
• 1:02:15
  photographer, you learn to identify when a race car driver
• 1:02:21
  is about to lose it, you know, because you can see the way
• 1:02:23
  they're acting and stuff like that.
• 1:02:25
  And he's like, so that car part is from that.
• 1:02:29
  I guess the driver, I forgot who the driver was, but famous
• 1:02:31
  driver, I think he broke his ankles or something.
• 1:02:34
  Anyways, he ended up there was like an event later in the
• 1:02:38
  future and one of them had the car part, so he autographed it
• 1:02:42
  and so he got the picture and they're all there and it's just
• 1:02:44
  like this amazing story. It's cool.
• 1:02:46
  And then there's another one with Paul Newman in a Daytona
• 1:02:51
  race car, and it's a, it's kind of a famous shot as he's coming
• 1:02:54
  around the curve, you know, you can see the car pushing it hard
• 1:02:57
  and you can see Paul's eyes. It's a black and white
• 1:02:59
  photograph again, but you could see and Bill said like, right,
• 1:03:04
  so I wanted this shot. I wanted it on that curve and I
• 1:03:07
  wanted it so I could see Paul's face.
• 1:03:10
  But that only happens when the sun is over here.
• 1:03:12
  At this time, he said I had 18 minutes to get the picture,
• 1:03:18
  which meant it was 3 laps. So I had three shot, three tries
• 1:03:23
  to get this shot and he got the shot, you know, and so that
• 1:03:26
  episode will come out after the book is out because I want to,
• 1:03:30
  you know, have that episode to promote the book.
• 1:03:32
  You know, it kind of stuff. So probably December maybe, but
• 1:03:36
  you know, I haven't gone through the video yet.
• 1:03:37
  So it's like 30 minutes and talking about that.
• 1:03:40
  And then he talks about his, I think it's a 1971911S that he
• 1:03:44
  bought new and it was in the Cannonball Run and it's got like
• 1:03:51
  Brumo's brace wheels on it. And it's got a real ducktail
• 1:03:55
  spoiler. And it's, it was on the cover of
• 1:04:01
  Motor Trend or one of those cars that talks about the back in
• 1:04:04
  1975. Like of all the 9 elevens in the
• 1:04:07
  world, that's the one I want, you know?
• 1:04:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going to. So he'll be in the book with all
• 1:04:13
  that stuff. That's cool, that's cool.
• 1:04:15
  I mean, and, and it all comes back to your podcast.
• 1:04:17
  I mean, it's open to all these doors.
• 1:04:18
  You've had to have these, you've had these amazing conversations,
• 1:04:21
  you know, like just these amazing experiences.
• 1:04:24
  It's, it's pretty cool, isn't it?
• 1:04:26
  Yeah, I think if someone asks, should I start a podcast, I'm
• 1:04:29
  like, yes, you should, but people don't understand the
• 1:04:33
  grind. Oh my God.
• 1:04:37
  They what? So I was walking at the Hilton
• 1:04:42
  Head, Hilton Head Island Concord last year and this kid
• 1:04:47
  recognized me from YouTube and he, he came up with his dad and
• 1:04:52
  he's like, and his dad said, yeah, he just started his own or
• 1:04:55
  he wants to start his own podcast.
• 1:04:57
  And I said he absolutely should do it on cars.
• 1:04:59
  And, and the kids like, but I don't know anything about cars.
• 1:05:03
  I said, even better, you know, you don't need to know anything
• 1:05:06
  about cars. You know, approach.
• 1:05:08
  Like if I interview somebody, I typically don't ask questions
• 1:05:11
  ahead of time because I want to ask questions as a newbie.
• 1:05:15
  I want to ask the questions the average person who maybe doesn't
• 1:05:17
  know anything would ask. And usually it's me.
• 1:05:19
  I don't know, you know, And if I have a question about something,
• 1:05:23
  I'm like, well, someone else probably has that same question.
• 1:05:25
  So let's do an episode about it. And so I told him, I said, you
• 1:05:29
  don't need to know anything. And this could be any passion.
• 1:05:33
  You could be talking about sewing, you could be whatever I
• 1:05:36
  said interview the experts and you'll learn from them and
• 1:05:40
  you'll build your network as you do that.
• 1:05:43
  And I said, it's even better that you're so young.
• 1:05:47
  Like I might not be able to get someone on my podcast as a as a
• 1:05:51
  new 50 something like, why would I be on this guy's podcast?
• 1:05:55
  But if there's a 15 year old who's genuinely interested in
• 1:05:59
  the collection car hobby, people are going to line up.
• 1:06:03
  Yeah, to be. If he's at all, you know,
• 1:06:06
  sentient, yeah, if he is cognizant and can ask some
• 1:06:10
  decent questions, you know, with his dad's help, whatever mom's
• 1:06:13
  help, yeah. Who want it want to be on that
• 1:06:16
  we're. Gonna connect with that.
• 1:06:17
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think that's it because no
• 1:06:20
  one wants to hear a podcast host try to, I don't know, outdo the
• 1:06:24
  guest, right with facts and figures.
• 1:06:26
  And and so sometimes it takes, you know, someone, you know,
• 1:06:29
  from a more naive perspective, I think to to really have those
• 1:06:32
  great conversations. I think you're right, So.
• 1:06:34
  I really that. Was my excuse when we started
• 1:06:36
  running. Yeah, I really want to do a
• 1:06:39
  podcast on all the coach builders from the 30s, but I
• 1:06:42
  don't want to do the research right now.
• 1:06:45
  You must know Maurice Merrick. As much.
• 1:06:50
  That's that's you must know Maurice Merrick, who does the
• 1:06:53
  Horsepower Heritage podcast. No, I don't.
• 1:06:56
  No. Oh, we've got to make that
• 1:06:57
  introduction. He's wonderful.
• 1:06:58
  You get a Yeah, he's great. He's out in Ventura County,
• 1:07:02
  California. And I call him the professor
• 1:07:04
  because that's, that's his realm.
• 1:07:06
  You'll have to meet. Leave it at that.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah. And.
• 1:07:08
  You guys would have a lot of fun.
• 1:07:09
  Show together. Yeah, I want to, I want to, I
• 1:07:11
  want to interview Randy Eamon. Eamon, the Zisenberg expert, you
• 1:07:15
  know, Yeah, I'd love to interview him.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah. Cool.
• 1:07:19
  Well, ho, it's going to give me a quote for the book.
• 1:07:21
  I'd love to have him on. Very cool.
• 1:07:22
  So. There's a whole cool, very cool.
• 1:07:26
  Well, you, you've got a wonderful podcast, you've got
• 1:07:28
  this wonderful book, you've got another book coming out here
• 1:07:31
  soon on Porsche that I know will be wonderful as well.
• 1:07:33
  But in the meantime, definitely do check out Greg's book because
• 1:07:37
  it is great. Put it right in your bathroom,
• 1:07:38
  right next to the next to the shit.
• 1:07:42
  And wherever else you like to read books a little bit at a
• 1:07:45
  time. That's the place of honor and.
• 1:07:48
  Absolutely, Absolutely. I mean, they don't call it a
• 1:07:50
  throne for nothing. That's, that's right.
• 1:07:53
  That's right. It's been a real pleasure, Greg.
• 1:07:55
  I appreciate you coming on and just remind us where we find
• 1:07:59
  your book. You can find it pretty much
• 1:08:02
  everywhere. I mean Amazon, Barnes and Noble
• 1:08:03
  online, Walmart online. The best place though is to
• 1:08:06
  collect your carpodcast.com because.
• 1:08:09
  There you go. It's cheaper and I'll
• 1:08:12
  personalize it for you, and I'll ship it out with an extra touch
• 1:08:17
  of love. Nice.
• 1:08:18
  Awesome. Well, we always like that,
• 1:08:20
  right? I know.
• 1:08:22
  It really is a wonderful book. Highly recommended.
• 1:08:24
  From the heart, so. Yeah, and it's great to be on
• 1:08:26
  the podcast because Lindsay, I've seen you around forever.
• 1:08:28
  Ryan, I know I feel like I've seen you as well around forever.
• 1:08:31
  So it's good to finally connect. I know.
• 1:08:33
  It's good to. Finally, like get some time.
• 1:08:35
  It's always, you know, a lot of the time it's at events and you
• 1:08:38
  can do like 1/2 a sentence, like, OK, let's catch up.
• 1:08:41
  And then, you know, so it's nice to have some time to, like,
• 1:08:44
  actually hang out. You know, that's a really good
• 1:08:47
  point because half the time I'll see people and we're all working
• 1:08:49
  so hard. Yeah, we're like, hey, good to
• 1:08:52
  see you. See you.
• 1:08:53
  Later, let's catch up. Yeah, I'll find you.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah, because it does. I think it changes it when you
• 1:09:00
  are working an event like and this touches on what you were
• 1:09:02
  saying before. It changes your perspective even
• 1:09:04
  of a cars and coffee, your objectives or your the things
• 1:09:08
  you need to accomplish change. And so when you're at the
• 1:09:11
  events, you're like, yes, yes, I'm so happy to see you.
• 1:09:14
  I also have to go do these six things so we'll catch up and
• 1:09:17
  then you don't end up catching up.
• 1:09:19
  So it was wonderful to get this concentrated time with you and
• 1:09:22
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• 1:09:26
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• 1:09:41
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