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September 7, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:30
  SPEAKER_32: You know, I had the opportunity to take the to take the day off.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_32: You know, I did.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_32: Provided that chance, and I said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_32: There are things that need to be discussed.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_32: There is broadcasting that needs to be to be done.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_32: There are people that need to be heard from.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_32: No, I will be here on a Monday morning, and I'm glad that you are with us at this early hour on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_32: Uh man who had a uh had a great weekend, apparently.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_32: Producer Devin is uh with us this morning.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_32: Good morning, Devin.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_32: Good morning.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_32: Hey, what is our first um do you know when our first uh official Viking game is?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_13: It is Sunday.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, is this Sunday?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_32: Yes.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_32: Goodness gracious.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_32: My birthday.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_32: I'm glad well, happy birthday to you.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_32: Hopefully the Vikings deliver a win.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_32: Who are we at home and who are we playing?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_13: Yes, we are at home, and it is against the Green Bay Packers.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, goodness gracious, me.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_32: All right.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_32: Well, I got something to look forward to now.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_32: I like watching me some some Vikings.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_32: I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_32: I'm glad I asked.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_32: I kind of I had a sense.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_32: I think that's what it was.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_32: I had uh I had a I had a sense that it had to be coming up soon, although I've been paying attention to preseason as as well.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_32: So uh it is Monday here on the show.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_32: Typically, uh we will be talking with Andrew Langer coming up at 6 30.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_32: He will be joining us this morning, but he will be coming on at 8 30 today.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_32: I'll let him sleep in a bit.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_32: I gave him the option of skipping out completely on the uh on the show.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_32: And he's like, no, no, no, can I just come on later?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_32: And I said, sure, you can come on later.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_32: I do not know what we're talking about yet.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_32: So we have not uh, he must still be sleeping.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_32: We have not made those exchanges yet.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_32: We will uh spend some time talking about the mistrial um in the Lindsey Clancy uh case that took place on Friday.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_32: The continued freakout.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_32: Well, I shouldn't say freak out, let me back up here.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_32: The continued response to the trial, and yes, I guess there is a freak out among the the psycho fans of Lindsey Clancy.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_32: So we'll get into that uh a little bit uh a little bit later on this hour.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_32: We'll get an update on uh on the weekend's news from uh Alpha News and Liz Collin here in just a moment uh on the show.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_32: Got a uh comment that's already rolled into the blaster line this morning.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_32: Remember, you can voice or text message to 651-964-0294, and they just said, Yay! Thanks for being on live today.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_32: Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_32: You're very welcome.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_32: I'm happy to be here.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_32: Because you need to know that President Donald Trump posted a map of New Mexico and then went and labeled it New America on Truth Social.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_32: Um, just to jump to the end of this, uh the White House clarified that it was not a formal proposal to rename the state.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_32: Although we know how this has gone recently.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, I had thought that he was trolling over Lake Ontario, Lake America, and we all know how that turned out.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_32: Uh so Trump posted this.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_32: It was a map depicting New Mexico as New America.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_32: It was the latest in the series of moves, according to the story from Newsmax, to put an America-themed stamp on geographic names.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_32: The image posted on Trump's true social media account showed a map of the southwestern state with Mexico crossed out and replaced with America.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, it was a bad, I mean, it was kind of a bad image.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, it wasn't um a very appealing image in terms of the graphic.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_32: It was pretty rudimentary.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_32: I wasn't very impressed for what it's worth.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, the White House later reposted the image on its official ex account, and neither Trump nor the White House indicated whether the post represented a formal proposal to change the state's name or not.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_32: The post was one of 34 Trump made in less than an hour on Sunday.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_32: And this had prompted other commentary from the Trump derangement syndrome sufferers online that were like, oh my gosh, Trump's Trump's posting a bunch online.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_32: What's happening?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_32: He was probably just hanging out and had a few minutes and was bored.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_31: I'll go and troll everybody.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, let's see here.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_32: Other uh images included altered images depicting Trump as wrestler Hulk uh Hulk Hogan and showing Iran's borders reshaped into an outline resembling the president's head, according to a New York Post article.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_32: People do not give Trump enough credit for his sense of humor.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_32: And you can argue whether or not it's behavior becoming of a president.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_32: Okay, that's worthy.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_32: That being said, I think Trump just Trump's funny.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_32: I just don't think a lot of people understand that he's got a he's got a sense of humor.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_32: Of course, he previously ordered the federal government to use Gulf of America in place of Gulf of Mexico, and last month directed the government to use Lake America for Lake Ontario.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_32: Now, unlike those geographic features, however, the president cannot unilaterally change a state's name.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_32: And the White House has announced no formal effort to remain, to rename New Mexico.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_32: Now, for those that are curious, I went and did the work for you.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_32: So New Mexico is named after the Aztec Valley of Mexico by 16th century Spanish explorers, meaning the name predates the modern country of Mexico by more than 200 years.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_32: That's right.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_32: Explorers had hoped to find uh wealthy, you didn't think you're going to be getting a history lesson on Labor Day, did you?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_32: Uh explorers uh hope to find wealthy native cultures and gold similar to the Aztec Empire that they had conquered further south in central uh Mexico.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_32: Good luck with that.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_32: Uh hindsight's 2020, I guess, huh?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_32: Uh the region was named Nuevo Mexico in the 16th century.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_32: The modern nation of Mexico did not uh choose its name until 1821 after it won independence from Spain.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_32: The area kept its historic Spanish name after it became a U.S.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_32: territory in 1848 and the 47th state in 1912.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_32: I I've decided that um I've made a firm decision on this regarding these particular issues and uh Trump's renaming of things uh potentially, and as much as I don't care.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_32: I don't care because uh the left has renamed stuff all the time.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_32: Lake Calhoun comes to comes to mind.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_32: We've the left has torn down statues of individuals even remotely aligned with slavery in the in the past, despite the good things they may have uh done and it being culturally significant to look back at the context of what was taking place during those times.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, the list goes on and on of how the left has tried to go and reframe modern history.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_32: So when Trump wants to go and put a uh positive patriotic spin on lakes or potentially states here, but of course, as it mentioned in the story, you can't rename a state, rename a state.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_32: But even if he could, I don't care.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_32: More pro-America, the better, in my opinion.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_32: It's a firm stance I'm taking until I decide that I want to go and change it.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_32: 651-964-0294 is the blaster line.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_32: You can email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, another story from over the weekend happened yesterday.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_32: An Amazon cargo plane crash caught fire after overrunning uh a runway while landing at Miami International Airport yesterday afternoon.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_32: That prompted authorities to shut down the airport as emergency crews responded to the scene.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, there's a couple of different clips of this.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_32: Have you seen any of these?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_32: Uh yeah, yeah.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_32: Is there um yeah, there's a couple of different clips of this.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_32: Uh it looks like it was operator error.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_32: The Boeing 767 300 cargo aircraft operating as 21 Air Flight 7598 had arrived in San Juan, Puerto Rico when it overran the runway about 2 p.m.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_32: Tragically, five people were killed.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_32: It ended up basically skidding to a stop in a parking lot, and uh apparently there were individuals in that parking lot that were killed in the wake of this.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, just to yeah, the footage is pretty crazy.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_32: According to local officials on Sunday afternoon, as I mentioned, the uh five who were killed were not identified.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_32: The aircraft was reportedly operating for Amazon Prime Air.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_32: Videos posted, as I mentioned on social media on social media, showed a thick of dark smoke rising from the airport and an aircraft with Amazon's distinct aero logo on its tail.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_32: You could see as it was coming in for a landing, they over he overshot the runway by thousands of feet.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_32: And even when it came down and was landing, the left rear landing gear like never made contact.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_32: Like the way that it was coming in.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_32: It was coming in too fast, way overshot the runway, and by the time they got it down and got it under control, they were out of space and ended up going right off the end of the runway.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_32: 60 units responded to the fire from the Miami Dade Fire Rescue.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_32: They arrived to the aircraft engulfed in flames with heavy smoke pouring from the wreckage.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_32: Crews were working to extinguish the fire and then assess the patients.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_32: Officials had not at the time confirmed the number of people on board the aircraft or whether anyone on the aircraft uh aircraft was report uh was killed or injured in this.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_32: The plane overran a diagonal runway and came to rest, disabled uh near the northeast, uh the northwest end of the airport.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_32: The crash did uh uh force the airport to close.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_32: Amazon and 21 Air did not provide additional details um regarding the the flight or the condition of its crew.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_32: The airport serves as a major passenger and cargo hub for South Florida and as one of the country uh country's primary uh gateways to Latin America and the uh Caribbean.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_32: So again, it looks to be a pilot error, and I'll be you know curious to see exactly what the final report is on this as to what went wrong and why the pilots ended up flying the uh the plane the way that they did.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_32: On top of that, um I've unlocked a brand new fear.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_32: I'm usually like I hate flying.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_32: I've talked about this a bunch on the show.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_32: Um I will, I mean, I will fly.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_32: Um I just not my I don't like heights, not my cup of tea.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_32: Uh however, uh the part of the flight that doesn't bother me is when we're actually coming in for a landing.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_32: When we get down close to the ground and we're making final approach, I that's usually when I'm the most common relaxed, especially when we set down.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_32: Now I have a new fear unlocked as to the fact that this kind of thing can happen.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_32: I'm not flying Amazon Air anytime soon.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_32: I'll just say that much.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_32: Let's go, uh, let's go here.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_32: Before we get you updated on the weekend's news uh here locally, I want to go back to my old uh stomping grounds of uh Tucson, Arizona, and it just uh an unbelievably tragic story across the board from every angle that you probably have not heard about.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_32: A Gambian, a Gambian from Gambia, Gambian immigrant, a Gambian immigrant fatally shot two men in the parking lot of a Tucson gay bar last week before then killing himself in what police have now confirmed was a premeditated hate crime targeting the homosexual community.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_32: There is a tragic piece of irony in the story.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_32: So Tucson police say Usman Sisei, 44 years old, opened fire on Vincent de Anthony Sequarios, 42 years old, and Cameron Davis Kapara, 33.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_32: And this was around 12:30 a.m.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_32: outside the venture end.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_32: Not familiar with this place.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_32: It's a longtime gay bar near the University of Arizona campus.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_32: NBC News reported both victims died at the scene.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_32: CSA then turned the 9mm handgun on himself and later died at the hospital.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_32: Now, investigators say they had no known connection to either victim and had only recently relocated to Tucson from Oklahoma City.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_32: He was carrying a written list of other LGBT associated businesses in the area.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_32: Though surveillance footage reviewed by the detectives showed he never attempted to enter the venture and itself during the attack.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_32: So before I get to the ironic part of the story, because I believe it's part of the reason why you haven't heard about it, you might be wondering, well, why haven't I heard about the story?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, you have an individual who specifically targeted the LGBTQ community, murdered an individual in the altercation, was carrying a written list of LGBT associated businesses in the area.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_32: So this, there's no doubt what this Gambian immigrant was doing.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_32: Well, it's not getting any national attention.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_32: I got this off Daily Wire.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_32: It's the only place I've seen the story for a couple of different reasons.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_32: But mostly the biggest reason is that it doesn't fit the liberal narratives.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_32: First off, you have an immigrant.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_32: And while they targeted the LGBTQ community, murdering an individual, which is typically something that you would see in our overly politicized world, the media grab onto and be pushed out there.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_32: It's not because it's not fitting the narratives considering the fact that this person was an immigrant.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_32: On top of this, the individual who died, Cameron Davis Kapara, he's a photographer who had spent years documenting the gay scene campus life.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, and also was a part of pro-Palestinian demonstrations and anti-ICE rallies around Tucson.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_32: This is where the tragedy in this whole thing really hits home.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_32: You have a murder, you have um this taking place at the hands of an immigrant, so it probably could have been avoided.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_32: Definitely would fall under the category of a hate crime, considering that he was specifically targeting the LGBTQ community.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_32: And then the individual who tragically was murdered in all this ridiculously supported the very ideology that ended up costing him his life.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_32: Hence why I opened up saying this was an incredibly tragic story.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_32: The search of Cisei's home turned up a separate note the police say confirmed that he did act alone and that the shooting was deliberately aimed at the gay community, the outlet reported.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_32: Tucson police chief Monica Prieto called the killings especially heinous and said the bias motivated violence has no place in the city.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_32: Of course not.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_32: Officers uh have since made contact with every business on CISA's list and increased patrols nearby, although authorities say there's no known ongoing threat.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_32: CISAI had no criminal record in Pima County.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_32: He was legally permitted to own fire arms.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_32: Community organizations, including the Tucson Queer Story and the Southern Arizona AIDS Foundation, ended up holding a candlelight vigil at a local park with memorial uh flowers and candles.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_32: Photographs have grown outside of the club in the days since the attack, as the investigation is ongoing.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_32: Although, as we mentioned, though, it doesn't really need to be ongoing, considering the fact that they have all the uh all the details here.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_32: It just and and as I've said often when I've made um when I've covered stories like this that don't fit the mainstream narrative and don't get coverage, I'm I'm I'm actually okay with this.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_32: I I I wish that this coverage would stay local.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, what else do you say about a tragic situation like this?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_32: You have an individual who was targeting a specific community for some reason, more than likely, having to do with their own ideological background of the individual being Muslim, which is another reason why the Muslim immigrant, which is another reason why this hasn't been picked up by the by the mainstream media.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_32: But so often these stories should just be local.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_32: Now, there's an argument to be made here that this could be a good national news story to discuss, considering all the different backgrounds on it.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_32: But you and I both know that you're not going to get any sort of comprehensive uh breakdown or conversation regarding the ideologies of the different individuals involved here and how they do not align.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_32: That being said, typically when it comes to stories like this, having them take place locally and not become and erupt into national stories is an okay thing.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_32: Even if the whole reason why it's not gaining national attention isn't.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_32: And it's because not only does this story not fit the mainstream narratives, it pushes back on a lot of those narratives that the media uh tends to go and grab uh onto.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_32: 651-964-0294.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_32: Again, uh, 651-964-0294.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_32: That's the blaster line if you want to leave us a voiced or text message uh on this uh Labor Day.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_32: We're gonna get you up to speed with an update from Alpha News and Liz Cullen regarding some of the stories uh that you might have uh missed from the end of the weekend over the weekend.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_32: So we'll get into that in just a moment, including transgender 101 training in Keith Elvison's office calling for action against intolerant employees before we turn our attention uh to the reaction to the mistrial in the Lindsey Clancy uh case.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_32: And I have much to say regarding uh what ended up transpiring in that mistrial on Friday.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_32: I also have uh audio.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_32: Wait until you hear Chris uh Cuomo take the Lindsey Clancy story and just straight up politicize it.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_32: We'll get to that coming up in just a moment here on the John Justice show presented by American uh Experiment.
• 18:24
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• 18:28
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• 21:17
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• 21:20
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• 21:26
  SPEAKER_23: To learn more, go to AmericanExperiment.org.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_21: One man, a 32-year-old named Jacob Rosenbacher from Illinois, had his name and his personal ident information stolen and was used to enroll at Normandale and obtain a federal student loan of about$9,000.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_21: Jacob lives in Chicago and had never heard of Normandale, had never heard of Bloomington and Minnesota.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_21: His credit score dropped almost 170 points overnight as a result of this theft, according to KSTP.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_21: So again, many of these applications are.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_21: Thankfully, caught before the money goes out the door, but very no very frequently at least, they're not caught.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_21: And so you have people like Jacob whose identity is stolen, and then you've got mil literally millions of dollars going out the door.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_21: U.S.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_21: Secretary of Education Linda McMahon has claimed that 1800 Ghost students in Minnesota received 12.5 million dollars in taxpayer-funded aid.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_21: And again, we go back to that question: are we ever gonna claw that money back?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_21: Probably not.
• 22:28
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• 22:31
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• 22:36
  SPEAKER_21: According to KSTP, the threat of fraudulent ghost students, criminal actors who use stolen or fake identities to enroll in online courses at colleges and universities to steal federal financial aid has become so prevalent at Minnesota's largest community college that administrators now say nearly a third of all applications to the school are potentially fraudulent.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_21: This is Normandale Community College over in Bloomington, and they have processed about 29,000 fraudulent or potentially fraudulent applications over the last few years.
• 23:10
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• 23:20
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• 23:22
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• 23:22
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• 23:24
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• 23:26
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• 23:35
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• 23:40
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• 23:47
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• 23:50
  SPEAKER_27: Here's a look at some of the top stories this week at Alpha News.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_27: CrimeWatch was the first to report the active shooter in downtown Minneapolis Wednesday at Loring Towers.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_27: Two men were shot and killed.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_27: Two Minneapolis police officers also sustained gunshots, but are expected to be okay.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_27: The shooter was Carlton Neil Johnson, who had a long criminal history.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_27: He died in a shootout with police.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_27: Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty acknowledged her office handled a previous case involving Johnson that did not result in criminal charges.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_27: Attorney Chris Maddle says Minnesota prosecutors have been ignoring the law in charging police officers.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_27: On the podcast, Mattle talked about the prosecution of Minnesota State Trooper Ryan Laundrigan and how a grand jury indictment was ignored in his case and other prosecutions of police officers.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_27: The latest petition in the case of Derek Chauvin, one of the four officers convicted in the arrest of George Floyd, states that Chauvin's constitutional rights to due process were violated when a grand jury for the case was not convened.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_27: Maddal pointed out how prosecutors are using prosecutions of police officers as a political platform.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_27: And he explained how it's exactly what the grand jury is designed to prevent.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_27: And in this Alpha News exclusive, transgender 101 training in Keith Ellison's office called for action against intolerant employees.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_27: In the webinar at the Minnesota Attorney General's office, staff members were told to quote, be alert to colleagues who are intolerant and deal with them immediately.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_27: The training materials also state that lawyers may need to seek supervised parenting time for a parent who does not affirm a child's gender identity.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_27: And from Drag Queen Shows for Kids and Crop Art that calls for violence, has the Minnesota State Fair gone too far?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_27: We checked in with Republican National Committee Man A.K.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_27: Kamara on the podcast for the state of affairs at the state fair.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_27: Be sure to check out that conversation on our YouTube channel.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_27: For independent Minnesota journalism, you won't see anywhere else.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_27: Visit alphanews.org.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_32: So we're going to be covering several of those stories that Liz Cullen had in the uh Alpha News uh update.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_32: Including next hour, I have a uh portion of the interview that Liz did with uh A.K.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_32: Kamara that we will share and we'll ask the question of whether or not politics has ruined the state fair.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_32: Uh Matt Little, who I'm uh now gonna call Lunatic Matt Little or Matt Lunatic Little.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_32: He's the uh the DFL candidate running against Eric Pratt to uh replace uh Angie Craig.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_32: The fair had to shut down a uh stunted that he was trying to pull off uh last week.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_32: So we'll give us some details on that coming up after seven o'clock this morning.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_32: And like I said, we'll ask uh the question of whether or not politics has gone and ruined the uh the state fair.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_32: Now, before I get to a few of the items that you just heard Liz Collin uh mention, those stories in her report, I was uh perusing X a moment ago, uh responding to some uh friends of the show this morning.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_32: The White House yesterday.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_32: So they posted, we talked about we touched upon this briefly on Friday, but uh the White House has made some like low-bit uh video games, like kind of like the old arcade games, but they're themed off of you know recent, you know, recent story, recent news.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_32: Like I said, I think there's one where you can actually go and build a wall in there anyway.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_32: Anyway, um so there's a new Green Lantern series on HBO Max called Lanterns.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_32: I have not watched it yet.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_32: It's I honestly I don't know if it's good or not.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_32: So we're gonna watch it at some point in time, but it's a more grittier uh version of the Green Lantern story.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_32: I believe they cursed and stuff, and I don't I in any way.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_32: We're planning on watching this at some point in time.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_32: I do believe that people have been enjoying it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_32: I'm looking at this post though from the White House right now, and it has it has President Donald Trump, and he is he's holding the the Green the Green Lantern core ring, but then he ends up he ends up creating, let's see, in brightest day and blackest night, no evil shall escape my sight.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_32: Let those who worship uh evils am I to be where my power Green Lantern's light.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_32: Let me turn the volume down on this so I don't uh blow you uh blow you out.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_32: So, okay, so he's basically in the video, I had to expand it so I can get a vision of what it is.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_32: He's basically creating a border wall with the um with the ring.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_32: Because you know, with the with the Green Lantern's ring, you can create whatever you want.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_32: So like I said before, the man has a sense of humor.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_32: All right, let's get to a couple of items of what Liz Collin was uh mentioning in that uh update.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_32: We'll start here.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_32: Uh last week, as she as uh you heard Liz talk about Chris Maddle, attorney, says the prosecutors have been ignoring the law when charging police.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_32: Maddle spoke uh speaking with Liz Collin on her podcast about how the Minnesota officers have been prosecuted with prosecuted without a grand jury indictment in the uh trial relating to the death of George Floyd, which is required by Minnesota law.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_32: Here is uh just a snippet of that interview that Liz did with attorney Chris uh Maddle.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_27: And unfortunately, other officers have been prosecuted without due process.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_27: And what seems to be a pattern of practice here in Minnesota, another example, Kim Potter, she was charged without a grand jury indictment and served two years in prison.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_27: Then there's former Minneapolis police officer Brian Cummings.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_27: He was charged without a grand jury indictment and convicted of vehicular homicide.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_27: All of this going on uh despite Minnesota law, which states, quote, the grand jury shall inquire into the willful and corrupt misconduct in office of all public officers in the county.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_27: And just to be clear here, Minnesota law defines the word shall as mandatory and says that a public officer means a law enforcement officer.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_27: I guess so as an attorney, uh, you fought against this, Chris.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_27: What do you really think is going on here in this state?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_07: I I think with respect to Minnesota Statute 628-61, I think they're just ignoring it.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_07: There is no real other explanation for it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_32: And it would make sense that they're ignoring it because this is a typical tactic of what the leftists do.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_32: Look at so many of the issues that we're faced with here in Minnesota, particularly and on point to specifically the fraud and the fact that it was really because people ignored the red flags, didn't care if they saw the increase in funding requests year over year, they just allowed the fraud to happen until somebody went and called them on it.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_32: Until the story became too big that Governor Jim Walls couldn't ignore it, which subsequently ended up leading to him bailing on running for another term as governor here in Minnesota.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_32: But you see this on so many different occasions in so many different stories that we cover.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_32: Individuals go out of their way to do things that are against the law, are ignoring the law, are unconstitutional, and they do it just to see how long they can get away with it.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_32: Even at times where it would be incredibly egregious, like this, wherein the state did not convene a grand jury heading in to the trial of Derek Chauvin and the other officers there on that faithful day when George Floyd lost his life.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_32: It's the same individuals making the decision to ignore the law here who have the same mentality and believe in the same ideology as the individuals who ignore the law and the constitution and basic, you know, morality, right and wrong, constantly for political expediency.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_32: Which is partly also about the story I'm gonna share with you that you also heard Liz Collin mention in her update.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_32: Employees in Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison's office who registered for the May 2025 Transgender 101 webinar, doing that thing with my fingers, were told to be to uh to be alert to colleagues who are intolerant and deal with them immediately.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_32: This was just a course in activism.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_32: That's all that it was.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_32: It's a straight-up activism course, I believe being paid for by your tax dollars.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, presented by transgender lawyer Ellen Krug, the Transgender 101 for Legal Professionals training materials, seems to go beyond basic workplace non-discrimination guidance, addressing how attorneys and workplace leaders should respond to employees and family members who disagree with gender transitions.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_32: Krug, also a member of the Eastern Carver County School Board, writes that the training is designed to help legal professionals understand how to make a, with my fingers, transgender person feel welcome and accepted, and address the challenges that exist with trans people and their families who interact with the legal system.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_32: Krug's website states that Transgender 101 Talk has been given hundreds of times in various entities.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_32: Um, there is absolutely no need for this whatsoever.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_32: And the fact that it ends up basically morphing into an activism training course is the example about how this isn't necessary.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_32: From the very beginning, this idea that a transgender person needs to feel welcome and accepted, addressing challenges that exist with trans people and their families who interact with the legal system.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_32: Listen, everybody should feel welcomed and accepted in a workplace, legal or otherwise.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_32: You just treat everybody with the same level of respect.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_32: We already have laws in place to protect individuals from being discriminated against and means of recourse if an individual believes they have been discriminated against.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_32: There is no need for this whatsoever.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_32: No, what they're doing with the training is basically providing extra protections.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_32: You need to go out of your way to cater to, to affirm these individuals' choices.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_32: But we already have plenty in the law to make sure that everybody is treated appropriately and fairly.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_32: Among the instructions, though, the materials state that lawyers may need to seek supervised parenting time for a parent who does not affirm their child's gender identity.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_32: We're going to get into this coming up with the mistrial of Lindsay Clancy, but my gosh.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_32: Bad couple of weeks for women and uh bad, bad long time.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_32: Long time bad when it comes to children in this country.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_32: The fact that they have continue to be used as pawns for the political, politically motivated uh left and um the online influencers is a sad, sad commentary on the uh current state of the United States as it relates to those that are underage, our most vulnerable.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_32: In cases where a spouse is transitioning, the training materials note that religious slash spiritual affiliation may complicate things.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_32: The documents also address what to do if you do get a religious objection while repeatedly directing readers to be on the lookout for intolerant colleagues.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_32: You know, when they say intolerant colleagues, they just mean individuals that share a different opinion.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_32: All of this sounds like a means to go and bring about discrimination if you're actually going to be dealing with individuals who might have a difference of opinion with you in the workplace as being intolerant.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_32: I suppose I'm being intolerant with this commentary.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_32: 651-964-0294 is the blaster line.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_32: If you want to leave us a voice or text message this morning, the materials also warn participants about experts with an anti-trans agenda and advise attorneys that they need to push back against this stuff.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_32: Among other things, the uh documents state that child transitions are not a phaser of fad in most cases.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_32: They encourage the placement of LGBTQ symbols in represent reception areas and recommend publishing easy-to-access web pages on the firm's commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_32: Mark Trammell, the CEO of the Center for American Liberty, said the materials raise concerns about the First Amendment religious liberty and parental rights.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_32: He says, My first reaction to these materials is really just how radicalized the Minnesota's Attorney General's office has become under Keith Ellison.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_32: There are pieces of this training that are really contrary to our most basic constitutional freedoms.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_32: Trammel said the materials contradict protections for religious beliefs and parental decision-making under the 1st and 14th amendments.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_32: He also said the presumption that conservative Christian parents could be considered unfit because of their religious beliefs is very un American, a very un-American proposition for the Attorney General's office to be endorsing its staff.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_32: The suggestions surrounding employees with religious objections to transgender issues were equally concerning for Trammel.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_32: Whether someone can actually have a diverse space in the AG's office and feel welcome in that office and feel like they can perform their job in that office without being discriminated against by their senior members of the team is really a big concern.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_32: And this is such a great example of the lie that the left perpetuates, wherein they talk about being tolerant, they talk about being diverse, they talk about being inclusive, they preach all of these things, and yet all of those things that they are teaching and that they are preaching and that they are pushing are actually discriminatory against anybody who might have a different opinion.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_32: It's a direct affront to the laws that I mentioned at the beginning of my commentary.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_32: When it comes to equal, you know, EOE within the workplace, the laws that we have regarding discrimination in this country.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_32: And this, going back to what I mentioned a moment ago, is a great example.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_32: When you're talking about attorney Chris Maddle, laws being ignored and not convening a grand jury, they're just seeing if they can get away with it.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_32: And hopefully they can't.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_32: We'll see whether or not in that case, when it comes to the lack of a grand jury and Derek Chauvin's trial, I believe we're in that 45-day window.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_32: We'll see whether or not that's enough to go and change the course of, you know, Derek Chauvin and those law enforcement officers involved that day's fate.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_32: But what we're seeing here with this transgender 101 training going back a year ago, it's the same thing.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_32: They do this until they get challenged.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_32: And that's a benefit to them as well.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_32: The individuals that pedal this divisive discriminatory garbage because they treat it like a religion, they've got a pretty decent racket going because not only do they have the activism training taking place within the AG's office, which serves to indoctrinate and brainwash the individuals, serves to go and push back against anything that's pointed towards conservatism in the opposition that they go and they label intolerant.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_32: But if the legal challenges mount, they'll go and exploit that as well.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, look at how hateful the right is and pushing back on us when we're just trying to be inclusive and diverse.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_32: According to Trammell, the records do not establish that the materials distributed to the AG's office employees constitute official policy for the entire office.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_32: However, he believes that distributing the materials could still cause employees to perceive the guidance as a form of policy.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_32: Now the Center for American Liberty, not to be confused with the Center of the American Experiment, just want to point that out.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_32: Now the Center for American Liberty plans to continue its investigation on what Tramell called an extraordinarily abhorrent training.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_32: His plan is to file additional public records requests to the AG's office in hopes of getting more questions answered.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_32: In a statement to Alpha News, the Attorney General's office said the materials were part of one of the many voluntary internal training opportunities the office regularly offers.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, it's all voluntary, guys.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_32: It was totally fine.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_32: People are voluntary, are uh volunteering to be indoctrinated.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_32: It's totally cool.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_32: They reflect the perspectives of the community member that led the informational seminar, the statement went on to say, before providing a list of what it described as the steps Ellison has taken in just the last couple of weeks to protect Minnesotans.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_32: The AG's office said it was providing that list that it believes Minnesotans will be interested in news with greater impact in their lives than an entirely voluntary internal training opportunity.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_32: Again, this was nothing more than opposition, uh opposition training.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_32: It's a it were lessons in activism that may not even hold up to scrutiny of the law in terms of just how discriminatory they uh they are.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_32: 651-964-0294, 651-964-0294.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_32: My uh my dad called me uh yesterday.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_32: He was uh true story.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_32: Well, actually, let me back up.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_32: He texted me.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_32: He says, Hey, can we talk?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_32: I'm like, sure, we can talk.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_32: Always want to talk to my dad.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_32: Um he got a really bad night's sleep.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_32: He was dealing with insomnia, said he got like an hour's worth of sleep.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_32: And then he asked me what I have a lot of people ask me.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_32: Do those mini leaf night gummies really work?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_32: I'm like, yes, yes, they really work.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_32: Do you really use the mini leaf night gummies?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_32: Yes, yes, I do.
• 42:29
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• 42:35
  SPEAKER_32: Needless to say, my dad's gonna try out the night gummies.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_32: No, I guess I should probably conclude that story.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_32: There's a couple of different um, couple of different types that are available at M-I-N-N-E-L-E-A-F.com.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_32: I've used both of the different blends.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_32: Um, right now I'm using the the night to sleep blend.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, but there's also a uh pineapple one as well.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_32: This works fantastic.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_32: They both work.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_32: But take a look at the labeling, take a look at the descriptions, because it may fit whatever particular need that you're going for when it comes to getting a good night's sleep.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_32: But I take one of the night gummies before I go to bed, and as I've mentioned many times, I get a great night's sleep.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_32: I wake up feeling refreshed, ready to come in and do the show Monday through Friday, 6 until 9 a.m.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_32: And even last night, uh I got to bed a little bit late because the the Darlington uh race was on and it ran a little later than I expected.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_32: So I uh ended up going to sleep a little later.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_32: Typically, that would be a danger.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_32: I missed my sleep flight.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_32: Didn't happen with the night gummies.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_32: I took one, I was out like a light.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_32: It's not just the night gummies, though.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_32: It's the spooky mini leaf tonics.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_32: They're spooky because there's no uh booze.
• 43:43
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• 43:46
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• 43:51
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• 43:55
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• 43:57
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• 44:00
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• 44:08
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• 44:13
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• 44:21
  SPEAKER_32: All right, coming up in just a moment.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_32: Clancy Family, GoFundMe.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_32: Tops$1.1 million.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_32: Now, this is a GoFundMe for the family of Lindsey Clancy.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_32: They claim that this is not, they're not taking a stance either way regarding Lindsey Clancy murdering her three children, although a lot of people are, including Chris Cuomo, who had one of the most ridiculous comments on all of this.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_32: But I want to dive into this issue in the wake of the uh mistrial.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_32: This is going to go to trial again, so we are not done with this national nightmare.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_32: So we'll get into some audio.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_32: We'll hear from you and the blaster line as well here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_26: And now here is commentary from the guests, hosts, and policy fellows of Center of the American Experiment.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_26: To learn more, go to AmericanExperiment.org.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: There are rooms and apartments and shelter space available for all of these people.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, uh speaking with a Native American leader uh last summer or a little bit longer ago, and he said he currently had five apartments rented for five different individuals living in a particular homeless encampment, but they wouldn't stay there.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so we're talking, you know, thousands, tens of thousands of dollars a month being uh shelled out for apartments that people aren't even using because uh they like the permissive atmosphere in the encampments and the ability to continue to use fentanyl and other drugs.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_25: Think about it.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_25: Minnesota has always been a low crime state.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_25: But according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data, we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes, a category that includes crimes like murder, assault, rape, and carjackings.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_25: Think about it.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_25: Minnesota is now a high crime state.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_25: Visit highcrime.com to learn more.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_25: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_22: So Tom Hauser of KSTP TV ran a story questioning the origin and accuracy of the claim that fraud in Minnesota amounts to nine billion dollars.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_22: Obviously, we've all heard this claim.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_22: We use it here at American Experiment um to help explain why so many Minnesotans, 58% of Minnesotans, in fact, believe the state is on the wrong track.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_22: That$9 billion figure gets used all of the time, and it's used by people in positions of authority candidates all across the board.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_22: Hauser correctly traces the origin of that figure to Joe Thompson of the U.S.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_22: Attorney's Office in Minneapolis.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_22: Thompson said that half or more of the 18 billion in spending on 14 high-risk Medicaid programs in Minnesota was fraudulent.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_22: Asked and answered, KSTP could have concluded their piece right there, as far as I'm concerned.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_22: It's also worth noting that, like, this was on 14 high-risk Medicaid programs.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_22: He wasn't even referencing all of Minnesota government, right?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_22: Looking at all programs.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_22: This was 14 Medicaid programs.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_22: But Hauser goes on to compare the$9 billion assessment against a ledger of money connected to fraud convictions, including the feeding our future case, which came in a little under$300 million.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_22: His conclusion is that the money uncovered through investigations, arrests, and convictions will likely never reach$9 billion.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, aren't these two different numbers?
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, the amount of money that we're actually able to go after and prove in a court of law was fraudulently taken, and likely the amount of fraud that was committed.
• 47:59
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• 48:09
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• 48:12
  SPEAKER_32: Bob from Shoreview left us a text blast.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_32: The AG's office interfering with parental rights because a parent objects to transgender indoctrination.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_32: History tells us the uh Communist Soviet Union did exactly the same thing going so far as to forcefully remove children from their parents' home and put them in a state institution.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_32: Yep.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_32: The gaslighting is real.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_32: I don't like what is taking place within um our our culture.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_32: The fact that you see so much hate being fomented, um videos that are posted, comments that are that that are made.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_32: It's awful.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_32: It's it is perpetuating the division in this country.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_32: I I say that knowing that it's not changing anytime soon.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_32: That's the bad news.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_32: Uh this is why I want to talk more about Lindsay Clancy uh this morning, uh, because there's a the there's the byproduct of this whole thing that has become politicized, that we as a culture and as a society are going to have to get used to in how we we deal with it.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_32: Let me give you another example before we dive into to Lindsay Clancy.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_32: Um a couple of anecdotal stories, but I'll and personal stories, but I'll focus on what I've seen online rather than bring up the the personal stuff.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_32: But you know, we're coming up on the the anniversary of of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_32: I don't know when the exact date was on the on that.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_32: I need to look it up.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_32: But there's this trend going around of what those that hated Charlie Kirk are now calling a Kirkaversary.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_32: They're celebrating one year since he was assassinated.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_32: It's not cute, it's not funny, it's evil, but it's also not going anywhere.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_32: Neither are the views of the twisted, the misguided, and yes, also evil that we've seen of individuals supporting the fact that Lindsay Clancy went and murdered her three children.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_32: This is not new to society, by the way.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_32: This is something that's always been a part of our society.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_32: Like human nature hasn't changed.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_32: You know, we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, right?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_32: Sin has been here since the very beginning, everybody.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_32: And there's varying degrees, right?
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_32: But in terms of human nature, sinful nature, you may increase or decrease the number of individuals who are aligning with evil throughout history.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_32: But for the most part, I I tend to think that that that ebb and flow isn't as extreme as what it would appear based off of certainly now what we're seeing within the commentary that you simply can't escape if you spend any time online.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_32: My point to all of this is that we need to be able to handle what we're seeing now.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_32: You see, before, and we'll get into this, there's a fantastic piece in the Daily Wire I'm gonna spend some uh some time with.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_32: Um columnist uh Caitlin Flanagan.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, and I wanted to I I wanna I specifically went and chose a view from um a uh from a woman on this just to have sort of a woman's perspective, at least in writing, as we talk about this mistrial of Lindsay Clancy in this.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_32: But you've always and she points to this, and I mentioned as much last week when we were talking about the story.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_32: There have always been the sycophants that have um looked at a serial killer and put them up on a pedestal, uh you know, given them hero status or said they were sex symbols.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_32: This hasn't changed at all.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_32: You had individuals aligned with Charles Manson, you had fans of O.J.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_32: Simpson.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_32: The difference is that now it's on full display.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_32: Now everybody now those individuals have platforms in which they can go and perpetuate their ridiculous nonsense.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_32: And with that, you end up having more than likely more individuals that hop on to that same narrative, even though those individuals probably already felt that way.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_32: We just never saw it as a society because we didn't have the internet, because we didn't have social media, because there wasn't money to be made when an algorithm bestows a blessing upon an influencer and kicks their story out, which ends up spreading the social contagion.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_32: So whether it's the sycophants who want to attempt to justify a mother murdering her three children, or whether it's the psychopaths that are out there celebrating the assassination of a man who was going onto college campuses just to try to reach young people, simply sharing a different view than what they were being spoon-fed in the grade school and university level, and ultimately was murdered for it.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_32: We bet those individuals, those psychos that are out there celebrating the Kirkiversary, they're not going anywhere.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_32: None of this is changing.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_32: This is our new reality, and we better get used to dealing with it.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_32: Because I believe there needs to be uh an equal, if not more powerful, reaction to the nonsense.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_32: Because you simply can't ignore it any more than you would before the internet and before social media when a friend of yours would come up and talk about how they believed that O.J.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_32: Simpson didn't do it or that he was justified in killing Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, to which you would tell your friend, stop being an idiot.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_32: We as a society have to continue to collectively push back and tell these individuals, stop being idiots.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_32: Counter that evil with good.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_32: All right, let's get into this.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_32: First off, I just want to establish a baseline here before we move forward.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_32: This was uh Lindsey Clancy's own lawyer, Kevin uh Reddington, literally saying in court that Lindsey Clancy murdered her children.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_04: Are you referring to the proposed diagnosis that we referred to earlier?
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_09: I'm referring to the fact that this young lady was suffering from postplatum psychosis when she killed her kids.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_09: Do you can't do you know what postplatin psychosis means?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_32: Okay, so I just wanted to point this out so we can avoid anybody who wants to go this route that the uh that the husband did it.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_32: I just wanted to make sure I put that.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_32: Her own lawyer, along with Lindsay Clancy.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_32: He admitted in court and she confessed to murdering her children.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_32: So I just wanted to establish a baseline there so we can avoid that ridiculousness.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_32: The GoFundMe for the parents of Lindsey Clancy has already topped$1.1 million.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_32: That was one day after the Massachusetts judge declared the mistrial in her murder case.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_32: The campaign says the money will help Mike and Paula Musgrove recover from years of travel, hotel stays, living costs as they relocated from Connecticut to Massachusetts to attend court and stay near their daughter.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_32: Plymouth Superior Court judge William Sullivan declared the mistrial on Friday after jurors said they could not agree on whether Clan C 36 was criminally responsible for strangling her three children, Cora 5, Dawson III, and eight-month-old Callan, at the family's Duxbury home on January 24th, 2023.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_32: And again, because the Massachusetts law is screwy is screwy, the burden of proof proof fell on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was sane enough to do this, which is not the way that these cases are typically tried.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_32: The Plymouth Superior Court judge William Sullivan declared the mistrial Friday after the jurors said they could not agree on whether Clancy was criminally responsible.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_32: The jury notes showed an 11-to-1 split after nearly 40 hours of deliberation over seven days, according to CNN's live coverage from Plymouth.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_32: Clancy, a former labor and delivery nurse, had pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_32: The defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, argued she was suffering from postpartum psychosis, a rare and severe post-birth mental illness, and had been over-medicated by her providers.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, that's bogus, too, by the way.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_32: I was looking at a story from over the weekend as I was prepping, and they had a list.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_32: She did have a litany of different prescriptions over a certain time period.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_32: But from what I saw, she wasn't even taking them.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_32: Like there were one or two bottles missing from every one as she was prescribed different things.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_32: Prosecutors led by the assistant district attorney Jennifer Sprague countered that Clancy's planned, uh planned and carried out the killings with intent.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_32: She will remain in custody at the uh Twikesbury Hospital where she's been held since the killings.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_32: She, of course, was paralyzed from the waist down after jumping from the second story window in a suicide attempt the same night.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_32: The GoFundMe page, verified by the platform, states that the uh parents are named as beneficiaries of who will receive the funds directly.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_32: The fund is not asking for donors to agree with Lindsay, her case, or the outcomes of her trial.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_32: The parents are Paula Musgrove, who were retired, and Mike Musgrove, a photographer.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_32: A separate GoFundMe has been organized for uh Clancy's ex-husband Patrick.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_32: It also has raised more than one million dollars for medical bills, funeral costs, and legal help after the children's death.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_32: President uh Donald Trump was actually asked about this on uh Friday during a White House uh press briefing.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_32: And uh, here is a little of what the president had to say with regard to the mistrial.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_28: Following that trial, have you watched that?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_08: Well, it's hard not to.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's on television so much.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_08: It's hard not to follow it.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_08: Followed it pretty much, but it's a shame.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_08: It's a horrible tragedy.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_08: It's a horrible tragedy.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_08: I see what's happened, and it's uh looks like it's a home jury, and I think the judges say it's gonna be a mistrial.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_08: I assume there's gonna be another trial.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_08: Uh it's uh it's a terrible situation.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_08: Look, she did a horrible, horrible thing.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_08: Can't be worse.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_08: But you'll find out what the price to pay is.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_08: There'll be a price.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_08: It's gonna be mental institution or jail or something.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_08: But I guess they're gonna go through another trial.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_08: It's too bad.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_32: All right, it's officially hour two here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment on this uh Labor Day.
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• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_32: Right now we're talking about the continued fallout and the mistrial of uh Lindsay Clancy, accused of murdering because she admitted to it, her uh three children and the mistrial that took place on uh Friday after one lone juror held out in what we believe was a uh 11, it was an it was 11 to let her off for reasons of insanity and one lone holdout because not all heroes wear capes who kept this from happening.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_32: So a um a retrial will have to take place.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_32: And hopefully the prosecution will do a better job this time of uh convincing the jury that this individual was, in my opinion, completely within her um her sanity when she went and committed this horrible and heinous, uh heinous act.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_32: And not to, you know, be graphic or cruel on this, but apparently they didn't show any of the photographs taken from the home after it had taken place of the children.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, you want to convince a jury of this because right now there's a distance in too many individuals' minds between the real victims in all of this.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_32: And this is a continuing problem.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, we are, and I have a I have an example of this when we get into some more of the local stories um coming up, including that uh shooting that took place, that mass shooting that took place in downtown, the husband of the Loring uh Towers property manager shot six times, ends up describing her fight for survival.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_32: We're increasingly looking at a world where in the most vocal and visible online commentary and coming from the leftist news outlets, desperate for the same views and clicks, they completely ignore the victims in the aftermath of avoidable tragedies.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_32: And unfortunately, that's the case with Lindsey Clancy and the case with this apartment manager.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_32: We had a uh blast that rolled in.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, the other part that's been missed is how much hate is being directed at the juror that held out.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_32: We're gonna talk about that.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_32: Convinced that she knew exactly what she was doing when she murdered her children.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, as I mentioned, not all heroes wear wear capes.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_32: I understand, just I understand why the jury reached the conclusion that they did because of the burden of proof.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_32: All the defense had to do was sow enough doubt that Lindsay Clancy was not in her right mind.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_32: And any little doubt that any of those jurors had would amount to reasonable doubt that she was sane and therefore they went the way that they went.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_32: But when you see the actual reaction, of which we'll have some audio to share in just a moment, when you hear about the actual reaction of those that were on the jury who wanted to let her off, it's clear that there was an alignment with the same mentality of the whack jobs that are out there defending Lindsay uh Clancy.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_32: After the mistrial was announced, interviews were conducted with the press outside of the uh courtroom.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_32: We'll start with this one.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_32: This was Lindsay Clancy's attorney, and this speaks to what I was talking about a moment ago about how the victims have been completely shoved aside.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_32: They want to make Lindsay Clancy the victim, but there are three innocent lives that were snuffed out by their mother of all people.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_32: But here is what the attorney had to say.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_32: They know that they were robbed by one man for whatever He's talking about the jury being robbed by one man who held out and sent this to a mistrake.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_09: Whatever his agenda was, who stole seven weeks of the life of these other jurors that were so attentive, so beautiful, so uh wonderful, and listened to this evidence.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_09: And you could see how defeated they were sitting there.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_09: And I got a funny feeling that they would have gone on for another week if they had to.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_09: So I hope that guy can sleep well at night.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, I hope he can too.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_32: And boo frickin' who to everybody else.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_32: This is what happens.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_32: This is our legal system, this is our justice system.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_32: This is how it's supposed to work.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_32: They need to come to a unanimous decision for a very specific reason.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_32: The Massachusetts uh district attorney ended up erupting at the uh media outlets after they were uh after he was asked if it was insensitive to prosecute Lindsay Clancy for murdering uh her children.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_32: Listen to this exchange.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_31: Was what?
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_31: Insensitive.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_31: Insensitive.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_29: Insensitive is killing three children.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_29: Insensitive is ignoring those facts.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_29: We have an obligation to stand up for those people and seek justice and make sure the defendant.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_29: Gets justice and make sure they get justice.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_29: So if people don't can't understand that, I don't know how I can answer that question.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_25: DA Cruz, there's one in my eye.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_32: I just is it insensitive to try her again?
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_32: And as I mentioned before, we as a society just need to get used to seeing this type of ridiculous uh questioning coming from the media, the over-the-top comments made by misguided individuals online.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_32: I'll share with uh with you some examples and the fact that all of these stories just immediately get politicized, even if there is no politics involved.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_32: And uh, we'll go to Chris Cuomo uh for doing his part to politicize the issue.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna let all this noise clear the zone on the Lindsey Clancy situation, and a lone holdout juror who admitted he had reasonable doubts about the prosecution's case, but refused to let her go.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna let that noise clear.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but here's a signal.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_06: Why are so many people who are in favor of punishing Lindsey Clancy also MAGA supporters when you favor no legal accountability for the president and his administration, despite obvious illegality and corruption?
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_06: Hmm.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_06: Hypocrisy much?
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_32: Just because you believe that somebody went and did something illegal doesn't mean that they did.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_32: And maybe to Chris Cuomo's point, the reason why this seems to be a MAGA situation in looking at this from the angle that she murdered her children and should not get off of her judgment by reasons of insanity is because those on the right are using and exercising common sense.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_32: That argument that he laid out regarding how, you know, how can MAGA go and talk about these issues when they don't care about the rule of law relating to their own president, right?
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_32: How many different lawsuits have been put forward against President Donald Trump and how many versus how many of them that have stuck?
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_32: Attorney General Keith Ellis has what?
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_32: Has sued the White House and President Donald Trump some 32 times and none of them have gone anywhere.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_32: The point being that the opposition to President Donald Trump has been relentless in pursuing every available means to go and tear the guy down.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_32: And uh, here's a spoiler alert for you: he is the sitting president of the United States of America.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_32: And is still the sitting president of the United States of America and has not been found guilty of all of these assumed unconstitutional and illegal acts that idiots like Chris Cuomo claim that Trump has gone and perpetuated.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_32: Maybe it's just because those on the right are, like I said, actually looking at right and wrong and making good determinations on what that actually means and not looking at it as some sort of gray uh area.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_32: So let's go here.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_32: How some female Lindsey Clancy jurors reacted to the mistrial declaration.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_32: Legal experts predicted the deadlock jury, given the gravity of the case.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_32: Some jurors wore pink, a color symbolizing support for Clancy.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_32: Hordes of women virtually all white turned out to support Clancy, once again showing his co this cohort is Western civilization's greatest internal threat.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_32: Clancy's defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, tried to boot the one juror holdout, claiming that he lied under oath and then criticized the judge for being too soft on his instructions.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_32: The um defense attorney for Lindsey Clancy actually tried to go and make the claim that he was discriminating against using the American Civil Um Disabilities Act, that this juror was discriminating against uh Lindsey Clancy because she was in a wheelchair.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_32: That was his Hail Mary move before the judge went and declared a uh mistrial.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_32: CNN uh went out of their way to describe what they saw of the jurors in the wake of the mistrial being announced.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_00: I can tell you from our producer in the courtroom that when the judge said, I want to tell you all how proud I am of you, there was one female Jewer that was nodding her head no, as he was saying all that.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Another female Jew clenching her hands into fists as she was sitting on that chair.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_00: All of the Jewers were extremely tense.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_00: One female Jewer would not even open her eyes.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Her eyes were gazed down in her lap, her eyes were closed as the judge continued to talk to them about what this final decision was.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Another Jewer just nodded her head the entire time he was talking, and another female Jewer was pursing her lips.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: We can now tell you that.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_32: They were angry.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_33: Part of what we have to understand a criminal trial is about.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_33: It's not just about holding Clancy accountable, it's about what incentives, what rules are we creating for our society going forward?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_33: Are we going to say, as you suggest, postpartum depression is just going to be automatic immunity from a conviction of murder?
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_33: I don't think that should be.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_33: Or just any kind of depression.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_33: Put aside the postpartum.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_33: After a trial like this, if there's a mistrial, or even the prosecution chooses to drop it, or there's even someday non-guilty, does that just mean anyone with depression can commit murder and suddenly plead insanity?
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_33: Look at what we see on our city streets where we have people out there who are mentally ill in a revolving door system where they go in and out of the hospital and then are committing awful types of violence like the kind we saw in Times Square just the other day.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_33: You open up the insanity defense, you're going to make that problem worse.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_32: We also learned that the four person uh was a woman.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, she was the one who tipped off a Reddington that the juror was causing um a problem.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_32: As a mistrial was declared, the female members of the jury again reacted as expected, visibly shaken and upset.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_32: And just, you know, I just I pray that the loan holdout is able to uh remain anonymous because if he's not, that individual's life is going to be up-ended by the psychos that are out there defending Lindsey Clancy.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_32: We already have potentially a copycat to this and what had happened.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_32: Mom obsessed with Lindsey Clancy trial kills a son, calling him the Antichrist.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_32: Corey Walsh told police that her toddler was the devil and the antichrist, according to court documents, and friends and family say that she was obsessed with following the Lindsey Clancy uh trial before she went and murdered her son.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_32: I'll bring you details on this before I do, though, speaking of the uh the whack jobs.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_32: This is an OBGYN doctor posting to social media.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, a woman who is responsible for helping mothers bring life into this world is actually praising a mom who murdered her kids.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_12: It's just Hi Lindsay.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_12: I'm Dr.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_12: Sterling.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_12: I don't even know if you're allowed to watch videos like this, if someone can show it to you.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_12: I don't know.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_12: But I want you to know that I believe you.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_12: From my perspective as an OBGYN, I believe that you were overfunctioning throughout your entire postpartum period.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_12: I am blown away by how hard you were working to get better.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_12: Well, also working as a mom.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_12: I've got three kids.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_12: Know how much work it is, even when you are mentally well.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_12: It's so hard to take care of three kids.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_12: Obviously, hindsight 2020, but I don't know what else you could have done.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_12: You were far beyond what should be expected of a single individual.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_12: You have galvanized us women in a really powerful way.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm not quite ready to tell my story yet, but when I eventually do, it's going to be because you came first.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_12: And you showed all of us that we can we can be honest and we can be real about what we experience as mothers.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_12: So thank you.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_12: And you know, I I hope that you're seeing our support because we believe you and we are proud of how hard you advocated and how hard you tried for yourself, and we know you miss those babies every day.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_32: As I mentioned at the start of my commentary about the story here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment, we need to get used to this and we need to make sure that we're prepared to push back on it because it's not changing.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_32: The view, the twisted views and thoughts of individuals that, as I mentioned, used to just stay within the minds of individuals, weren't said out loud because everybody's got them.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_32: We all think inappropriate things.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_32: We all have embedded bias.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_32: It's just a nature of sin.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_32: The difference is whether you act on it.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_32: The difference is whether you acknowledge personally those thoughts and then dismiss them, or you go and try to take advantage of it, whether it's to gain attention, notoriety, or to go and make money.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_32: But we better get used to this happening because it's not gonna stop.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_32: This is the world that we live in right now.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_32: It is not going to be kept between friends and family members.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_32: These thoughts are not going to be challenged by the individuals who end up thinking these things.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_32: They're gonna be supported by those that want to go and take advantage of it for numerous reasons.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_32: They're gonna be put online for those that want to make a book.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_32: Authentic and genuine or not.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, Matt Walsh was talking about this.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_32: He posted this video over the weekend about another case that had taken place as an example of what I'm talking about this morning.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_34: It was just a year ago, you may remember, that a majority female jury in Massachusetts determined that a financial analyst named Karen Reed had somehow been framed for murder by about four or five dozen people, including first responders, forensic investigators, police officers, the medical examiner's office, prosecutors, uh even friends of her boyfriend who was the victim.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_34: The jury was apparently swayed by deranged TikTok theories that appealed overwhelmingly to women looking for some excitement in their lives.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_34: It was a very unseemly and disturbing display that played out all over the internet.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_34: But if you're the optimistic type, it was easy to write off as a fluke.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_34: A rare case where an American jury was led astray by online brain rot on its way to reaching an extremely dubious, not guilty verdict.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_32: It's not changing anytime soon.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_32: So I guess from that standpoint, I I I'm glad all this is happening.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_32: And I know that sounds twisted and weird.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_32: I wish that it wouldn't, but it is.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_32: It's human nature, and it's only going to get worse.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_32: So we better be prepared to handle it.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_32: I have a text that came in to the uh blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_32: Thousands of women who have postpartum depression do not kill their children.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_32: This would lead one to believe that the verdict should be uh mentally ill and guilty, both.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_32: It does not have to be an either slash or situation, but both.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_32: If you want to leave us a voice or text message, you can do that at 651-964-0294.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_32: And I want to mention too, I've had some individuals that um who watch the uh live video feed on YouTube, and uh they were hoping that I could acknowledge the comments that are made there.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_32: I don't have that up in front of me.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_32: I have limited space in terms of which programs that I have access to to use for the show.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_32: So the YouTube one is not one that I have available access to, although we are looking at some possibilities of having the producers go and take it, take a look at it, and end up sharing some comments with me.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_32: So I just want to acknowledge that, hey, I know you guys are leaving comments in there and I appreciate it.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_32: There are individuals leaving comments in the chat on the MixLR app as well.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_32: I think that's fantastic.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_32: I know friendships are being formed through this show, through the online platforms.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_32: Um, but I, like I said, I have limited access to the commentary on the various platforms here in the middle of the show.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_32: So before I get into this column from Caitlin Flanagan, who really hits the nail on the head of what I'm talking about right now, why America now worships its cold-blooded killers.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_32: The other thing that we need to get used to, tragically, and prepare ourselves for are copycats.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_32: And we already have one in this case.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_32: An Illinois mother who became obsessed with Lindsey Clancy's high-profile murder trial told police that she killed her two-year-old son because she believed he was the devil and the Antichrist.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_32: Police say Corey A.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_32: Walsh has been charged with three counts of first-degree murder in the death of her ch uh toddler, Barrett Walsh.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_32: The three charges are based on different legal theories of first-degree murder, according to Fox 32.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_32: Prosecutors use this method to increase the odds of a conviction at trial.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_32: She remains in custody, but is being held for medical treatment after police said that she attempted to harm herself following the killing that shocked a relatively safe and quiet suburb of South Chicago.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_32: And by the way, this story is going to end up probably getting national attention.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_32: And this mother is probably going to end up having the same level of sycophants that we've already seen.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_32: New court documents reveal dark new details about the reported killing that carries loud echoes to the Clancy case.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_32: Walsh told law enforcement she hung her son in the basement because she believed the toddler was the devil and the Antichrist.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_32: Walsha told police that Bear, the family nickname for the boy, was in the basement, according to the court documents.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_32: Preliminary results from the autopsy suggest the boy died from asphyxia caused by uh ligature compression of the neck.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_32: The accused killer was home alone at the time of the homicide while her husband was out of town.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_32: He flew back later that evening.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_32: The three other children inside the home were unharmed.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_32: Thank the good Lord Almighty.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_32: A police, uh, the police are hunting for the motive, despite the mom's comments on this.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_32: Witnesses say the neighborhood reportedly told authorities that Walsh had recently become very invested in the Lindsey Clancy murder trial.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_32: Her fascination with the case went beyond simply watching it on television and had been actively discussing the case via a text message with her friends just hours before her toddler was killed.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_32: Inside the upscale two-story home, officers were directed to the upstairs bathroom located in the master bedroom, where they found Walsh fully dressed, surrounded by bloody water.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_32: Police found Walsh with non-life-threatening and self-inflicted cuts to her thighs and wr.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_32: With details still rolling in, the reported murder is striking similarities with Clancy's triple strangulation death of her three children.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_32: This is absolutely devastating that this could be another Lindsey Clancy situation in our neighborhood, in our community.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_32: You never think it's going to hit so close to home, one neighbor told uh NBC News.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_32: Just more people, I think, are struggling than we realize.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_32: And so we just need to be there for another.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_32: You know how we got here is not hard to see either, on a number of different levels.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_32: Mostly having to do with the commentary that I shared with you a while ago regarding the internet and the proliferation of the social contagion surrounding these various stories.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_32: But you go back to you go back to 9-11 as we approach another anniversary of that later this week on uh Friday.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_32: We'll certainly be spending some time talking about that on the show this week.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_32: And you had the not to be insensitive, but you had the the jet fuel uh poured on the fire of conspiracy theories uh theorists with 9-11.
• 1:23:28
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, and those 9-11 truther conspiracies really ended up bringing about a an uptick in this societal conspiracy theory that we've that we've seen.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_32: And that being said, there's a lot of you know conspiracy theories that have actually come you know come true.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_32: But make no mistake, when it comes to 9-11 and the 9-11 truther movement, that really did help to perpetuate this conspiracy-laden society as the internet rose to prominence and subsequently social media added other layers to that.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_32: And then you bring COVID into the mix, everybody gets stuck at home on those various platforms, and then we come out of COVID, and this is the world that we're living in right now, and it's not changing anytime soon.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_32: So, as I keep saying, you take anything away from today's show, just get used to it and be ready to battle it.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_32: Unlike OJ Simpson's trial a generation ago, today's trial watchers have the internet to seek out information.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_32: Again, dovetailing off of my commentary, I want to get into columnists Caitlin Flanagan's comments on this.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_32: Today's trial watchers have the internet to seek out information and express their opinions.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_32: What's perplexing to many is the growing number of women who express support.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_32: Not for the three precious souls whose lives Clancy ended, but for Clancy herself.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_32: Again, this is according to columnist Caitlin Flanagan writing, what began as an admirable compassion for a woman has turned into something strange, an almost jubilant, fan-like celebration of Lindsay Clancy.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_32: Yet the Clancy Fan Club is not the only recent cohort of crazy.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_32: Luigi Mangioni, the 28-year-old man who admitted in federal court that he shot and killed the United Healthcare executive Brian Thompson, has a growing legion of supporters, and those who felt that murder was justified.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_32: There's a website where fans can learn how to send Luigi letters and read his statements.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_32: This for a self-confessed killer who left a wife without a husband and two young boys without a father, and of course, conspiracy theorists egged on by Candace Owens and her rapid-fire theories.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_32: I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_32: Something that Owens likes to do a lot.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_32: They've tried to make alleged Charlie Kirk's a killer, Tyler Robinson a cold hero.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_32: And as I mentioned, get ready for the Kirk aversary offensive posts.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_32: Those are already arriving on social media.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_32: I saw a handful of them today.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_32: Then on August 31st, you had a woman with two knives randomly attacked two people in Times Square, killing a Bank of America employee, Aaron Piacenti, as she stood at a food cart.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_32: Piacenti 32 was a young mother who had recently returned from maternity leave.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_32: Inexplicably online ghouls celebrated her death for the crime of working for a bank.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_32: One Hollywood director even marked the occasion with a Luigi meme.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_32: High-profile murderers have always attracted the interest of fringe groupies.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_32: The Manson family is linked to at least nine murders.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_32: Charles Manson maintained a small but rabid following.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_32: But today, a few cultural forces have brought us to the point where accused and admitted killers alike are lauded as heroes.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_32: And I'll bring into the mix that story that I mentioned last uh hour on the show.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_32: Jan Peterson, looking up working off the article here from Alpha News.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_32: Jan Peterson, the property manager at Loring Towers.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_32: You probably didn't know that this was the individual that was targeted by the criminal who should not have been on the streets.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_32: He was issuing threats that scary Moriarty, the Hennepin County failed attorney, refused to go and address.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_32: He all intents and purposes should have been locked up, and people still would have been alive today, including Jan Peterson, the property manager at Loring Towers, whose name you probably haven't heard until I shared it with you this morning.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_32: Thankfully, because Alpha News is reporting on it, because you don't have media outlets actually looking into the background on the victims anymore.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_32: She was shot six times in that mass shooting.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_32: I'll bring in details coming up later on in the hour.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_32: And despite her critical condition, multiple surgeries, her husband Bob believes her survival.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_32: Is a miracle.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_32: Thank the good Lord Almighty.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_32: The shooting occurred amid ongoing concerns about Johnson, who is facing eviction for violent behavior and displaying a firearm.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_32: Eviction for not being able to pay$105 a month rent.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_32: All right, I want to get back to uh Caitlin Flanagan's uh piece here, not to be confused with Peggy.
• 1:28:25
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  SPEAKER_26: And now here is commentary from the guests, hosts, and policy fellows of American Experiment.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_21: I don't think any other state has this besides Minnesota.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_21: Okay, number one, you can vouch for up to eight people.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_21: But then we also have same-day election uh registration, and we don't have provisional ballots.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_21: So those those elements all combine together.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_21: You don't other states that have same-day voter registration have a provisional ballot, and so when you register to vote, typically if you're doing it in advance, you know, your your registration is checked so that when you actually go to you know vote on election day, you've been vetted by the state in some way.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_21: Um but when you have same day registration, obviously there's not time for that to happen.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_21: And so your vote gets counted immediately.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_21: It gets put into the pool and it's never coming back out.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_21: Other states, they will have same-day registrants use a what's called a provisional ballot.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_21: And so, you know, they they cast their vote, but it's set off aside, and it's not actually added into the mix until their registration has been verified, which makes sense.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_21: You know, Minnesota doesn't have that.
• 1:31:33
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• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_23: That's 651-964-0294.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_25: Think about it.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_25: Black and Hispanic students in Mississippi perform better in reading and math than black and Hispanic students in Minnesota.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_25: And Mississippi spends thousands of dollars less per student than Minnesota.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_25: Mississippi spends less money, gets better results, and their achievement gaps are closing.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_25: While ours are getting worse, think about it.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_25: It's time for real education reform so Minnesota can catch up to Mississippi.
• 1:32:10
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• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_22: So Scott Pressler, he's a conservative activist, he posted on X that he also did some of these data requests.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_22: And he was told that in St.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_22: Louis County, which is the home of Duluth, 737 people registered to vote through vouching.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_22: 737.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_22: So let's go back to the 2022 election really quick just to see if we can get a clear example of okay, will that number of people vouching ever really matter?
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_22: It seems like a small number.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_22: Well, in 2022, in the Cottage Grove Hastings area, Democrat Judy Seaburger won her state Senate election by 321 votes.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_22: As our listeners may remember, the Democrats held the Senate that year by one seat.
• 1:32:56
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• 1:32:59
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• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_32: Columnist uh Caitlin Flanagan writes in the Daily Wire why America now worships its cold-blooded killers.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_32: The Clancy Fan Club is not the only recent cohort of crazy.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_32: Let's go to the uh blaster line, leave us a voice or text message to 651-964-0294.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_28: My name is Nicole Diane Darby Perlstein.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_28: Hi, Nicole.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_28: I've been through the ringer, hell and back, back again and ten times over.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_28: I would never kill my children.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_28: Nope.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_28: No mercy.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_28: Nope.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_28: No mercy.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_32: As uh the columnist writes, again, high-profile murderers have always attracted the interest of fringe groupies.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_32: First, you have an age of expressive individualism.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, this was a term popularized by sociologist Robert Bella and his co-authors.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_32: It describes the belief that every person has an authentic self within, and that the purpose of life is to discover and express that self.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_32: Identity, then, is not received from family, religion, tradition, or moral order outside of us.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_32: It's found by looking inward.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_32: Authenticity becomes a virtue.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_32: So the real Lindsay Clancy, according to her fans, is not the woman who strangled her children in a barbaric and torturous way, but the loving, caring mother underneath the act.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_32: The blame falls not on Clancy, but on the institutions that were supposed to protect her, her family, the pharmaceutical industry, the society that demanded too much of her.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_32: There's no doubt that Clancy suffered from severe mental anguish, but according to her fans, that anguish means that she's not morally culpable for what she did.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_32: But, you know, and this goes back to what that clip that I played from Chris Cuomo, wherein he talked about why is it that it seems like MAGA are the ones that are disagreeing with all of the women that are defensing defending Lindsay Clancy?
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_32: It's because of this.
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_32: This expressive individualism, which goes far beyond the Lindsey Clancy story.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_32: This is what the leftists have been pushing in terms of propaganda to the broken and brainwashed.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_32: Because of the very reason that identity, right?
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_32: The authentic self, your authentic self, and the purpose of your life is to express what that self is.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_32: Why do you think there's so many individuals that make themselves so ugly on the outside?
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_32: Like clownfish for crying out loud.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_32: Listen, you're an adult, you do you, but at the same time, let's make sure that we understand why people are doing that to themselves, why young people are doing that to themselves.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_32: Melinda and I were out at Target a couple of weeks back, and I was like, I used to seeing the youth out in public with their hair dressing a certain way.
• 1:35:57
  SPEAKER_32: None of that is new.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_32: This is not me.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_32: Oh my gosh, these kids today.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, I colored my hair when I was younger, when I was working in alternative rock.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_32: I get it.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_32: Kids do that.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_32: They want to have they want to identify with different groups and different cliques and all that.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_32: What we're dealing with now is a whole different ballgame.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_32: And the number of kids looking like rejects from the Jim Rose Circus sideshow milling about in Target could not be ignored.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_32: I believe it's because they're making themselves look ugly on the outside, because that's how they feel on the inside, for the very reason of what Caitlin Flanagan laid out in this piece.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_32: Your identity is selfishness.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_32: You are your own God.
• 1:36:45
  SPEAKER_32: And therefore, it's not received from those positive aspects of your life, your family, your religion, your tradition, a moral order outside of your own.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_32: This is what the left has created.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_32: If you want to know why there are so many crazy individuals out there supporting a mother who murdered her three children, again, sin above all things, nothing new in society.
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_32: Are there more individuals?
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_32: Probably.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_32: Why?
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_32: Because this is the tactic of the left or right now that they believe is going to usher in recapturing power at a nationwide level in these midterms.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_32: Now she goes on to write this.
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_32: There's also this sort of Gnostic desire to find the real story behind the story.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_32: No amount of contrary evidence can pierce the personal truths people choose to believe when those truths shape their preferred narratives.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_32: Convinced that Israel or the global cabal was really behind Kirk's death.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_32: The believer turns Robinson into a sympathetic pawn, even a victim, when you go and take this analogy and apply it to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_32: Tribalism, fueled by an oppressor versus oppressed view of justice, helps excuse violence when the killer or alleged killer is assigned to the right class.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_32: Take all the commentary I just did a couple of minutes ago and apply it to the oppressed versus the oppressor or oppressor versus the oppressed.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_32: It's all part of the pedagogy of oppressed.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_32: It's all part of critical race theory that has now infected our public school system across the country.
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_32: For Clancy's fans, she's not morally culpable because the system, the mental health industry, pharmaceutical companies, and her marriage contains the real victims.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_32: If an act is committed by someone in the oppressed class against someone in the oppressor class, it becomes understandable and therefore even justified.
• 1:38:51
  SPEAKER_32: Expressive individualism and moral relativism combined with the daily algorithmic churn that uh catechizes the Americans into narrow tribes, blinds people to the moral questions at the heart of these crimes.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_32: Empathy, the good instinct to see ourselves and others, becomes twisted and warped beyond the golden rule.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_32: The compassionate act of imagining someone's plight turns into justifying that person's decisions, regardless of his or her morality.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_32: The Clancy supporters will say any one of us could have been sitting in her chair.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_32: My God in heaven.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_32: Can you even fathom?
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_32: I am Luigi, his rabid fans declare, as if this killer stands for them on an epic social struggle.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_32: And conspiracies, imagine they too could be Robinson, set up by a dark global cabal as a pawn in a larger war.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_32: Caitlin Flanagan goes on to write, the swirling cross currents amplified in our digital age.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_32: That's great writing right there.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_32: I like that.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_32: The swirling cross currents amplified in our digital age.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_32: They emerge as the loss of moral consensus, rooted in America's Judeo-Christian heritage, and it's left many people without fixed standards of good and evil.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_32: Relying on the inner self and sorted by society into our clans, we make truth relative and justice preferential.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_32: The right response is both recoil and resist.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_32: Amen.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_32: The horror we feel about the death of the innocent and those who cheer it reflects a rightly shaped moral conscience.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_32: You know, it's interesting too because the left doesn't hide this.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_32: Even those that are running for office that are incredibly legitimate candidates for the left, right?
• 1:41:11
  SPEAKER_32: No, hopefully not for those on the right.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_32: But to this point, look at Peggy Flanagan.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_32: Go back to when the trifecta was taking place, and Governor Dim Walls was making it easier for the medical industry and for parents to make life-altering, disastrous decisions for their underage children regarding gender identity, cross-hormone therapy, allowing the opportunity to mutilate their young, their young bodies before their brains are developed enough.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, and isn't it ironic?
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_32: Not to quote Alanis Morissette, but isn't it ironic the fact that here you have individuals that are pushing back on the pharmaceutical company?
• 1:41:57
  SPEAKER_32: Those supporters of Lindsey Clancy are out there talking about the pills that she was popping, blaming her horrible, murderous actions on those pills.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_32: And again, the same individuals that are probably going and defending the ability from what I just mentioned, from monstrous healthcare providers and horrible parents allowing their children to be irreparably harmed for the rest of their lives through all of this, through those very pharmaceuticals and those same companies that are making the pills that were supposed to go and assist Lindsay Clancy in this case, they say are to be blamed for her actions.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_32: And yet those are the same, you know, pharmaceuticals that are being given to children.
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, make it make sense.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_32: But you might point on Peggy Flanagan, she wore the t-shirt, protect trans kids.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_32: The infamous photo that gets posted online all the time.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_32: And what is on that t-shirt is a knife.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_32: What do you think the message is?
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_32: So again, the right response is to both recoil and resist.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_32: We should refuse to accept the upside-down morality that turns victims into villains and the accused into heroes.
• 1:43:06
  SPEAKER_32: Cora, Dawson, Callan, Brian Thompson, Charlie Kirk, Aaron Piacenti were not symbols of oppressive systems or supporting characters in somebody else's grievance.
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_32: They were human beings made in the image of God.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_32: Luigi Mangioni, Lindsey Clancy, Tyler Robinson, and Pamela Cisneros are morally culpable for the acts they allegedly committed, and the state should hold them accountable.
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_32: What's more, we must point ourselves and others away from the online tribal circles that nurture our baser instincts toward the true, the good, and the beautiful.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_32: Instead of belonging built around grievance, spectacle, and death, you know, it's the church, the church that offers community built around a shared faith and the possibility of redemption.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_32: It causes us to see ourselves and our narratives not as central, but as part of a larger and eternal story.
• 1:44:14
  SPEAKER_32: But again, this is what the left has done to their advantage.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_32: When it comes to policy, when it comes to uh electoral victories, and a lot of what I've been laying out here and what uh Caitlin Flanagan writes, along with Daniel Darling, he's the director of the Land Center for Cultural Engagement, the Southwestern Seminary, a columnist for Word, and the author of several books, including his latest in defense of Christian patriotism.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_32: He he's the one that wrote this piece.
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_32: The swirling cross currents, amplified by our digital age, emerge as the loss of moral consensus.
• 1:44:56
  SPEAKER_32: Right.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_32: It's left to many people without those fixed standards of good and evil, and they are relying on their own selfish base of interests.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_32: The left has been very, very effective.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_32: So you have, you know, you have two different reasons why this is taking place.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_32: You just have the sinful nature of individuals, you have well, you have a couple of different reasons.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_32: You have the sinful nature of individuals, you now have individuals who do not keep these views and opinions to themselves because everybody has them.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_32: And then you also have an ideology that does everything to convince as many people as possible that again, their true and authentic self is the only thing that they need to adhere to, which makes it very, very easy for anybody to go and justify basically any activity they want, of which the left then goes and takes advantage of.
• 1:45:52
  SPEAKER_32: You know, the good news is uh in all of this that we do have an administration and uh individuals within that administration that are doing what they can to try to go and support families, to turn things around.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_32: This broke uh on Friday.
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_32: The Trump administration is drafting a rule to allow one married parent to receive a federal child care aid to care for their own child while the other spouse works.
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_32: This would be the first federal program to pay a parent to forego work and to raise a child at home.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_32: Now, critics argue that they could uh this could squeeze existing subsidies for single working parents and raise fraud concerns, but essentially the money would already come.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_32: There's no new spending involved with what uh JD Vance announced here.
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 1:46:45
  SPEAKER_32: There's no new bill, there's no new spending.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_32: The money would come from the Child Care and Development Fund.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_32: This is a$12 billion program created in the 1990s and administered by the Health and Human Services Department.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_32: The fund serves about 1.3 million people, pays roughly$9,000 per child a year.
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_32: The draft would open a new category of care, parent-based child care, which, under which one married parent could receive this assistance to care for their child while the spouse works at least 35 hours per week.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_32: Listen, it increases incentives for marriage, it increases incentives for um families.
• 1:47:33
  SPEAKER_32: And at a time when, and I don't know, I don't think we've talked about this on the show yet, but at a time when you have the majority of new jobs that are being taken up by women, you know, this is a way to support the ability for people to go and raise a family and to bring about that strong family unit for those families that can't afford to have a stay-at-home mom.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_32: And I agree with some other commentary regarding uh regarding this, saying that, you know, this is kind of a redistribution of wealth.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_32: And is this how we really want to be going and spending taxpayer dollars?
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_32: When the reality is this fund exists already, it's not going anywhere.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_32: It's not going to be eliminated.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_32: It's existing dollars, not a new bill, no new spending.
• 1:48:23
  SPEAKER_32: I don't think we should be spending it anyways with this program.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_32: I think it would be better served, just back it into the wallets of hardworking taxpayers across the country.
• 1:48:32
  SPEAKER_32: But the reality is, no, this fund exists, it's not going anywhere, this child care and development fund.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_32: So why don't we go ahead and use some of this money to support those couples that want to have a stay-at-home mom to raise their children?
• 1:48:47
  SPEAKER_32: I think it's a fantastic idea.
• 1:48:49
  SPEAKER_32: Here's a little bit of what uh J.D.
• 1:48:50
  SPEAKER_32: Vance uh had to say when making this announcement at an event on a Friday.
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_03: Which is they're trying to tear down this country, tear down our young people, tear down our military.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_03: And what's left over with the ashes of what they've torn down is socialism.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_03: But we've got a different approach, my friends.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_03: We want to invest in you, we want to fight for you, and we want to fight for your children's future.
• 1:49:13
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna defeat socialism by giving you a stake in the American dream, and that's how we're gonna win the future.
• 1:49:27
  SPEAKER_03: But I gotta say that what we're doing isn't, it's not just a two-year or even a four-year process.
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_03: Think about this.
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_03: This country was plundered over a generation.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_03: Our goal is to reverse a consensus that has screwed over communities like this one for decades.
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_32: J.D.
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_32: Vance uh talking about the potential of the impact of this$9,000 subsidy to be given to families who decide to have uh one of the uh parents stay at home.
• 1:49:59
  SPEAKER_32: A stay at home.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_32: Mom essentially, but I think it works both ways.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_32: You could have a wife that works and the husband stays stays home if you want to go a Michael Keaton uh Mr.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_32: Mom uh route.
• 1:50:08
  SPEAKER_32: And again, it is a redistribute.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_32: You can argue this is a redistribution of wealth, but it's an existing program that's supposed to help families that's not going away.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_32: So we might as well go and take advantage of it to go and promote and incentivize families to have children.
• 1:50:24
  SPEAKER_32: And again, at a time in the country where we're concerned about that.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_32: We're concerned about the lack of young people getting married, the lack of people having kids and what that means for the future of the of the country and at a time when women are capturing the majority of the new jobs that are being created.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_32: All right, leave us a voice or text message blast.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_32: The blaster line is 651-964-0294.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_32: I had a comment that rolled in from a friend of the show regarding the Lindsay Clancy mistrial.
• 1:50:51
  SPEAKER_15: Hey, John, Rob here, Minatanka.
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_15: Good morning.
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_15: Happy Labor Day.
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_15: You know, I had a curious thought.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_15: What if one of the children Clancy killed was trans?
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_15: Then what would the response will have to be?
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_32: I've seen some hysterical videos out there of uh on the street commentators going and asking uh the question of would you still support abortion if you knew that the child was gay?
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_32: The responses are hysterical, by the way.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_32: Maybe I should grab some of those for later uh for later in the week.
• 1:51:26
  SPEAKER_32: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 1:51:31
  SPEAKER_32: I do want to get to the Minnesota State Fair and whether or not it's become too politicized.
• 1:51:34
  SPEAKER_32: We will uh talk about that.
• 1:51:36
  SPEAKER_32: I'm gonna move some uh shuffle some stuff around in my stack uh this morning.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_32: I want to kind of keep with the uh with the theme, though.
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_32: We were talking um earlier about how we are increasingly looking at a world where the victims just do not get the proper attention anymore.
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_32: The individuals at the core of these controversial stories, and that certainly was the case with this Loring uh Towers mass shooting that took place last week.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_32: The husband of the property manager shot six times during Wednesday's mass shooting at Laurel Towers, says his wife remains critically injured but alive after undergoing multiple surgeries, something he believes is nothing short of a miracle.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_32: Jan Peterson, 56, a longtime property manager at the taxpayer subsidized downtown Minneapolis apartment building, was among those shot when authorities say the 35-year-old Carl uh Carlton Neil Johnson II opened fire inside of Loring Towers, recently renamed Shoreline Plaza.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_32: This happened on a Wednesday uh afternoon.
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_32: Uh the witness reportedly saw Peterson raise her hands as the gunfire began, then she fell.
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_32: What Bob Peterson says happened uh next has been difficult for him to comprehend.
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_32: He walked right up to her, put a barrel right by her belly, and shot again, and then walked away.
• 1:53:01
  SPEAKER_32: Bob said his wife was shot approximately six times.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_32: He said she suffered multiple wounds to her abdomen.
• 1:53:08
  SPEAKER_32: The bullet was found in her pelvic area, and a gunshot shattered her arm.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_32: She's in bad shape, he went on to say.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_32: Doctors have kept uh Peterson sedated as they perform a series of surgeries.
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_32: According to her husband, surgeons operated approximately four hours on Thursday.
• 1:53:25
  SPEAKER_32: Planned to take her back into surgery Friday.
• 1:53:28
  SPEAKER_32: I do not have an update on her condition as I work through this article from my Alpha News.
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_32: Bob described his wife as a caring and loving person who is deeply devoted to her work.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_32: Everybody she meets loves her.
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_32: The couple's been married for 27 years, has three adult children.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_32: Bob said his wife is a workaholic who regularly puts in extra hours, including Saturdays.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_32: That job also meant dealing with some of the most difficult problems inside the subsidized apartment building.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_32: Bob said his wife regularly regularly encountered residents struggling with drugs and alcohol and dealt with behavioral problems, lease violations, and other issues that fall to property management.
• 1:54:06
  SPEAKER_32: Her responsibilities sometimes required her to confront residents about their conduct or send notices when the rules were violated.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_32: Bob said he had worried about the dangers that came with that responsibility.
• 1:54:18
  SPEAKER_32: The shooting came months after documented concerns involving Johnson, who was in the process of being evicted, where he was obligated to pay, as we've mentioned, just$105 a month in rent at the taxpayer-subsidized building, as CrimeWatch and Alpha News previously reported court documents show that Johnson's lease was being terminated over a series of alleged incidents, including assaulting a resident and repeatedly displaying a firearm.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_32: Perhaps most notably, the eviction filing alleged Johnson entered the Loring Towers management office on June 11th while openly carrying a firearm and displayed it to multiple members of management.
• 1:54:59
  SPEAKER_32: The same filing alleged that Johnson told other residents that he had obtained a new gun and would kill someone.
• 1:55:05
  SPEAKER_32: A June 16th letter ordered Johnson to leave the apartment by June 29th.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_32: However, the eviction case remained unsolved the months later, with another court hearing scheduled for September 11th, nine days after the shooting.
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_32: Now, Bob says he does not know whether his wife personally handled Johnson's eviction or whether Johnson specifically sought her out on Wednesday.
• 1:55:29
  SPEAKER_32: The nightmare unfolded during what was already one of the most painful periods in Bob's life.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_32: His mother had just passed away.
• 1:55:36
  SPEAKER_32: So after spending the night at the hospital with his critically wounded wife, he had to leave to attend his mother's funeral, then went straight back to the hospital.
• 1:55:45
  SPEAKER_32: By the way, um had tip to Alpha News for covering this because I haven't seen any stories in any of the other media outlets regarding the actual victims in this case.
• 1:56:00
  SPEAKER_32: His mother was a devout Catholic, he said, and passed away shortly before Jan was shot.
• 1:56:05
  SPEAKER_32: So when Bob learned his wife had been shot, he immediately thought of his late mother.
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_32: Jan survived, and for Bob, after learning that his wife had reportedly been shot, and the gunman allegedly fired at her again at close range after she had fallen, there is little question it was divine intervention.
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_32: I believe it 100%, Bob said.
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_32: So be sure to go and keep uh these individuals uh in your uh in your prayers.
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_32: Again, these are the victims that often just do not get the proper coverage and are forgotten in the wake of, in certain circumstances, individuals justifying abhorrent behavior.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_32: Thankfully, I haven't seen it in this story, except for the fact that there were too many individuals out there, including the local media outlets, that were essentially saying that this guy was brought to his wit's end because of the fact that he was being evicted.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_32: Make no mistake, that was being pushed in the local media to go and help the left, especially during an election cycle, in my opinion.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_32: That eviction is cruel and unusual.
• 1:57:09
  SPEAKER_32: And just wait, just wait.
• 1:57:11
  SPEAKER_32: It will be a relatively short period of time until you hear from a Minneapolis City Council member a reference to this particular story as a justification for you know rent control, the cost of rent being too high, and how we should put a moratorium on evictions.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_32: Just wait.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_16: Morning, John.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_16: Your Steve here in Excelsior.
• 1:57:37
  SPEAKER_16: Say, do we know that the reason for the eviction was that he wasn't paying$105, or was that reason his behavior showing a gun and threatening people?
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_16: Just wondering.
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_32: I believe it was both.
• 1:57:50
  SPEAKER_32: I we don't have a specific he did this because of this.
• 1:57:54
  SPEAKER_32: We do know that he had threatened individuals in the Loring Towers.
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_32: We do know that he had talked about wanting to harm people.
• 1:58:02
  SPEAKER_32: We do know that he was frustrated because he was being evicted, and we do know that he went and targeted management.
• 1:58:08
  SPEAKER_32: So just putting all of the pieces together is where we can have our informed speculation here on the John Justice show presented by American Experience.
• 1:58:47
  SPEAKER_32: Have politics ruined the state fair?
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_32: I'm a little behind on this coverage, but we're gonna get to this.
• 1:58:53
  SPEAKER_32: Let's start here with that.
• 1:58:54
  SPEAKER_32: I've got a couple of different uh angles.
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_32: We've got uh A.K.
• 1:58:59
  SPEAKER_32: Kamara talking with Liz Collin, GOP national committeeman calling out the deranged behavior at Minnesota State Fair.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_32: State Fair had to shut down congressional candidate Matt Little's world handshake record attempt.
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_32: This guy is a lunatic.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_32: In the meantime, Alliance for a Better Minnesota has tried to smear Center of the American experiment.
• 1:59:22
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• 2:00:04
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• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_32: And remember, if you want to uh let your voice be heard, leave a voice or text a message to the new blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 2:00:56
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, Bill Walsh writes this at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 2:00:59
  SPEAKER_32: Every year, the DFL's Dark Money Group, Alliance for a Better Minnesota, fills up their bank account with out-of-state money and uses it to go after Republicans running for office in Minnesota.
• 2:01:13
  SPEAKER_32: You know, head on over to AmericaneExperiment.org.
• 2:01:17
  SPEAKER_32: Bill Glaun has a series of videos titled The Dark Money Minnesota for Sale.
• 2:01:22
  SPEAKER_32: And you can hear all about Alliance for a Better Minnesota and their scheme to funnel money through the layers of nonprofits.
• 2:01:29
  SPEAKER_32: So, Alliance for a Better Minnesota's recent target has been Republican Attorney General candidate Ron Schutz.
• 2:01:35
  SPEAKER_32: Schutz should be honored by this attention, writes Bill Walsh.
• 2:01:39
  SPEAKER_32: A clear sign the DFL Enterprises worried that Minnesota voters are going to fire Keith Ellison for meeting with the feeding our future fraudsters, promising to help them and then receiving campaign donations as a quid pro quo.
• 2:01:53
  SPEAKER_32: AMB's shot at Schutz consists of a guilty by association attack on the center of the American Experiment.
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_32: Schutz has been a longtime board member of American Experiment.
• 2:02:05
  SPEAKER_32: AMB's attack is weak and requires the reader to follow a string of associations that run from Schutz supporting American Experiment to American Experiment supporting other groups to those other groups saying or doing things that Alliance for a Better Minnesota thinks voters should find objectionable.
• 2:02:26
  SPEAKER_32: Get the cork board, the pushpins, and the yarn out so you can make the connections.
• 2:02:38
  SPEAKER_32: AMB claims the Horowitz is a designated hate group.
• 2:02:42
  SPEAKER_32: Designated by whom exactly?
• 2:02:44
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, the discredited Southern Poverty Law Center.
• 2:02:48
  unknown: Yep.
• 2:02:49
  SPEAKER_32: A criminal enterprise in and of itself.
• 2:02:51
  SPEAKER_32: As Catherine Wigfall, Policy Fellow here writes, the SPLC is currently drowning under the weight of 11 federal indictments.
• 2:03:01
  SPEAKER_32: The Horowitz Freedom Center, appearing on a bogus list from a discredited hate group, Southern Poverty Law Center, tells us nothing about what kind of Attorney General Ron Schutz would be for Minnesota.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_32: AMB's second claim criticizes American Experiments' occasional collaboration with Churning Point USA and its founder, Charlie Kirk.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_32: That association also misses the mark.
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_32: We are proud of our support for Charlie Kirk's work, especially how he engaged with those who disagreed with him on college campuses across the country.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_32: That is, until he was gunned down by a leftist for daring to speak out.
• 2:03:39
  SPEAKER_32: Alliance for a Better Minnesota collects dark money from outside of Minnesota, funnels it through a confusing web of nonprofits, and then spends it to keep Democrats in power.
• 2:03:48
  SPEAKER_32: Minnesotans should treat their latest smear attack on American experiment for what it is: a desperate attempt to protect a weak candidate.
• 2:03:58
  SPEAKER_32: It is.
• 2:03:59
  SPEAKER_32: It also tells you how close those polls are between Attorney General Thief Ellison and uh Ron Schutz.
• 2:04:08
  SPEAKER_32: So has the Minnesota State Fair been ruined by politics?
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_32: We were having a conversation about this in the halls after the show on uh on Friday, especially when you look at the crop art, the 8647, you've got Alex Predy, Renee Good, and George Floyd all being eulogized in crop art.
• 2:04:26
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, the fact is the Minnesota State Fair is ignoring their own policies when it comes to how you're supposed to conduct yourself politically at the fair.
• 2:04:39
  SPEAKER_32: I'm gonna go through the list coming up in just a few minutes here of what people are not licensed to do, what they're not permitted to do at the state fair.
• 2:04:50
  SPEAKER_32: And yet, I'll give you example after example of how these very things are happening if you just go to the state fair and look with your own eyes.
• 2:04:58
  SPEAKER_32: 651-964-0294 is the blaster line if you want to leave us a voice or text message.
• 2:05:07
  SPEAKER_32: This was also part of the conversation that took place between RNC committeeman A.K.
• 2:05:12
  SPEAKER_32: Kamara and Liz Collin from Alpha News.
• 2:05:16
  SPEAKER_32: On her recent podcast, A.K.
• 2:05:19
  SPEAKER_32: was asked by Liz of um, you know, the deranged behavior, as A.K.
• 2:05:26
  SPEAKER_32: describes it, taking place at the Minnesota State Fair, which again has led me to this question that I posed to you this morning.
• 2:05:31
  SPEAKER_32: Has politics ruined the state fair?
• 2:05:34
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, here's a portion of that uh interview between RNC committeeman and Freedom Friday guest A.K.
• 2:05:42
  SPEAKER_32: Kamara and Liz Collin from uh Alpha News here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 2:05:47
  SPEAKER_27: We have just been swamped over at Alpha News with tips, pictures from fairgoers who say something seems uh a little off, whether it is the drag queen shows for all ages, including kids, like this young boy here, who's apparently told to give money to a man dressed up as a woman.
• 2:06:04
  SPEAKER_27: That was only one questionable exhibition at the state fair this year, though, aka there is seed art that reached a whole new level, along with anti-ICE themes.
• 2:06:14
  SPEAKER_27: A couple of 86-47 signs for all to see, the red kidney beans, leave little to the imagination on this one here, which is easy to interpret as blood, it seems, in this reference to kill Donald Trump, the 47th president.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_27: We have apparent tributes to Minneapolis martyrs, including George Floyd, Renee Good, and Alex Predy.
• 2:06:35
  SPEAKER_27: Tom Emmer eats worms.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_27: Even the quilt competition had its share of political messages and abolish ice science scalore.
• 2:06:44
  SPEAKER_27: So, what have you been hearing, aka?
• 2:06:45
  SPEAKER_27: We're curious.
• 2:06:46
  SPEAKER_27: What's up at the state fair this year?
• 2:06:48
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, I think it's actually a reflection of just how gone the left has become in the state.
• 2:06:55
  SPEAKER_35: You know, people come up to me and and they'll just come and say, like, this is crazy.
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_35: I've never seen this level of just out in the open calls for violence.
• 2:07:06
  SPEAKER_35: And they'll ask, like, what is the plan?
• 2:07:08
  SPEAKER_35: How do we defeat this type of mentality?
• 2:07:10
  SPEAKER_35: And it feels like there's really kind of two main groups of people.
• 2:07:14
  SPEAKER_35: There's all the Minnesotans that are working hard, and this is no type of derisive commentary on their actions, but they're just not really paying attention to what is happening that is becoming mainstream Democrat policy.
• 2:07:28
  SPEAKER_35: And I think the state fair is a perfect showcase of that.
• 2:07:33
  SPEAKER_35: From quilts to crop art calling for overt acts of violence, this is what the Democrat Party now represents.
• 2:07:43
  SPEAKER_35: So I think that's actually what's happening in Minnesota.
• 2:07:46
  SPEAKER_35: And so the average Minnesotan is like, why does it seem like this is what the current state of Democrats are, where everything is about violence and resistance and oppression being overthrown.
• 2:07:58
  SPEAKER_35: And it's foreign because in America we don't accept those values.
• 2:08:03
  SPEAKER_35: It's not like one day, just a working class Minnesotan decides, you know what I think we need more of?
• 2:08:09
  SPEAKER_35: Drag shows and drag queen story hours for children.
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_35: That's not what working class, average Minnesotans think about.
• 2:08:16
  SPEAKER_35: But it is what communists, Marxists, Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, it is what they think about.
• 2:08:22
  SPEAKER_35: Because at the root of things like a public drag show is the idea of critical gender theory.
• 2:08:28
  SPEAKER_35: And that is baked in now to the DFL.
• 2:08:31
  SPEAKER_35: And so, in order for them to actually push their ideology, they do things like have these public displays.
• 2:08:38
  SPEAKER_35: So children and other people say, Well, this is just normal.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_35: But it's not normal.
• 2:08:43
  SPEAKER_35: But that's the goal.
• 2:08:45
  SPEAKER_35: The goal is to make it seem like that that is abnormal is normal.
• 2:08:49
  SPEAKER_35: And things like having children handing money to gay men to dance sexually, if you disagree with that, oh, you're a bigot.
• 2:08:58
  SPEAKER_35: You are definitely anti-queer, you're not an ally anymore, and they beat you into submission.
• 2:09:04
  SPEAKER_35: But that's why you're seeing more and more of these things happen in public spaces because right now Democrats control basically all the institutions of power in the state of Minnesota.
• 2:09:14
  SPEAKER_35: Say so they will inject what we would call praxis into everyday life, and they say, Well, no, this isn't anything normal.
• 2:09:21
  SPEAKER_35: And if you think that this isn't normal, you must be a bigot.
• 2:09:25
  SPEAKER_35: The the media in the Twin Cities, especially, they have this idea that no, we're being impartial.
• 2:09:31
  SPEAKER_35: And but if you actually just peel back a few layers and you just ask them simple questions, you'll find out that they're not, right?
• 2:09:39
  SPEAKER_35: The idea that you would put out this political message.
• 2:09:42
  SPEAKER_35: Let's just pretend that there's two camps of people.
• 2:09:45
  SPEAKER_35: There are people that are stupid, meaning that they don't recognize that 8647 is a direct call to have the president of the United States be killed and removed from office by being killed, or you're a liar.
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_35: Those are the only two camps.
• 2:10:01
  SPEAKER_35: But what the media does is they come out and they spike a story by saying 8647, 86 is a slang used to get, you know, remove someone from a bar, like you're 86 from a bar, but acting like there haven't been a bunch of people on the left that have used that message that have overtly said, no, we're not talking about just kicking out, we're talking about ending that person, to the point that Alpha News covered a story probably a year ago when there was one of these walls, town halls, but you had the 8647 little challenge token, and it literally said bury fascist, right?
• 2:10:36
  SPEAKER_35: And it said plant flowers, and it had a picture of President Trump, and then on the back it said 2547, which is a reference to uh President McKinley, who was assassinated, who was a 25th president.
• 2:10:47
  SPEAKER_35: So again, what the media does is they pretend like reality doesn't exist, and then they try and spike the story and say, no, no, no, this wasn't a call for violence.
• 2:10:57
  SPEAKER_35: It's just the right believes that it's a call for violence, and they're carrying the water, and that's because unfortunately, most of the corporate mainstream media they actually carry water for the Democrats.
• 2:11:10
  SPEAKER_35: That's what the media does, is they try and make it seem like just recognizing something that the left, the violent parts of the left, the DSA types, have openly called for that it's not happening.
• 2:11:22
  SPEAKER_35: It's like, don't believe your lying eyes.
• 2:11:24
  SPEAKER_35: And it's sad, but the reality is when you see this, you have to call it out.
• 2:11:30
  SPEAKER_35: You have to be able to tell people this is what time it is.
• 2:11:33
  SPEAKER_35: Right now, in this country, there is a movement that wants to completely tear down all of the institutions that have built this country because there is a small but loud group of people that believe that oppression has funded and been the source of everything great in this country, and they have to tear it down.
• 2:11:54
  SPEAKER_35: And I think that the media 100% pushes that ideology for the left.
• 2:11:58
  SPEAKER_32: And AK.
• 2:12:00
  SPEAKER_32: Kamara in that interview, and it's uh there's a lot more to it.
• 2:12:04
  SPEAKER_32: So I'd encourage everybody to head on over to alphanews.org and uh listen to the entirety of that exchange between Liz Collin and uh and A.K.
• 2:12:12
  SPEAKER_32: Kamara, but he touches upon something that I was talking about earlier in the in the show, and that is we do have to counter this nonsense.
• 2:12:20
  SPEAKER_32: This is the world that we're living in right now.
• 2:12:23
  SPEAKER_32: The left will continue to try to push the boundaries of decency.
• 2:12:30
  SPEAKER_32: Right.
• 2:12:30
  SPEAKER_32: Offensive behavior, offensive imagery.
• 2:12:33
  SPEAKER_32: There are free speech components to all of this.
• 2:12:36
  SPEAKER_32: Do not misunderstand.
• 2:12:37
  SPEAKER_32: I'm not talking about regulation in order to keep this from happening.
• 2:12:40
  SPEAKER_32: What I'm talking about is public commentary to push back and establish that no, this is not the view of the majority of individuals.
• 2:12:48
  SPEAKER_32: Yes, what you are doing is a threat, for as much as you try to get acute with it.
• 2:12:54
  SPEAKER_32: People are being radicalized over this.
• 2:12:56
  SPEAKER_32: And it's incumbent upon us to push back on this, to provide the common sense commentary because it's not going away anytime in the near future.
• 2:13:09
  SPEAKER_32: And even when you have policies and rules in place to keep this type of thing from happening, it's not adhered to.
• 2:13:18
  SPEAKER_32: So, case in point when we talk about the fair, and has the fair become too politicized?
• 2:13:22
  SPEAKER_32: I would probably argue it hasn't.
• 2:13:24
  SPEAKER_32: We're heading that direction.
• 2:13:26
  SPEAKER_32: This is all completely avoidable.
• 2:13:28
  SPEAKER_32: If the Minnesota State Fair would just go and follow their old their own rules, we wouldn't have these issues.
• 2:13:34
  SPEAKER_32: Whether it's you know, cutting deals with known gang members who are planning on rumbling on a given Saturday at the state fair, whether it is pop-up performances inappropriate for children around the state fair, the crop art that has become overtly political, the protesting and the clever doing that thing with my fingers, ways in which you have groups like the radical, indivisible protesting in front of the GOP booth.
• 2:14:05
  SPEAKER_32: It shouldn't be allowed.
• 2:14:07
  SPEAKER_32: It's against the spirit of what the Minnesota State Fair puts forward in terms of their rules.
• 2:14:12
  SPEAKER_32: So I'm curious your thoughts, though.
• 2:14:14
  SPEAKER_32: Uh leave us a voice or text message on this Labor Day, 651-964-0294.
• 2:14:20
  SPEAKER_32: Has the Minnesota State Fair become too political, in your opinion?
• 2:14:25
  SPEAKER_32: And when they're not cracking down in some cases, they are cracking down in other cases.
• 2:14:29
  SPEAKER_32: Minnesota congressional candidate Matt Lunatic Little.
• 2:14:33
  SPEAKER_32: And his attempted to break the world record for most handshakes in eight hours at the state fair, that was halted by fair officials.
• 2:14:44
  SPEAKER_32: Mostly because it was just stupid.
• 2:14:46
  SPEAKER_32: No, that's not the case.
• 2:14:48
  SPEAKER_32: I made that up.
• 2:14:49
  SPEAKER_32: Little aiming for 15,000 handshakes.
• 2:14:53
  SPEAKER_32: I don't think he was wearing any gloves at the time either.
• 2:14:59
  SPEAKER_32: I remember, just as a side note, when I was uh when I was working in alternative rock, we uh were hosting the rock the station I was working for uh was hosting 30 Seconds to Mars, uh the alternative rock band fronted by actor Jared Leto.
• 2:15:14
  SPEAKER_32: And they did a uh they did autograph signing for the fans after the after the concert was done.
• 2:15:20
  SPEAKER_32: Might have been before.
• 2:15:21
  SPEAKER_32: Anyway, they were all wearing rubber gloves when they did the autograph signing.
• 2:15:26
  SPEAKER_32: Made me laugh.
• 2:15:27
  SPEAKER_32: Listen, it was pre-COVID.
• 2:15:28
  SPEAKER_32: Maybe it was smart, maybe they were the smart ones at the time.
• 2:15:31
  SPEAKER_32: Uh anyway, back to what happened here.
• 2:15:33
  SPEAKER_32: Um, aiming for 15,000 handshakes, uh, Matt Little was stopped for allegedly violating the fair rules regarding behavior and soliciting.
• 2:15:42
  SPEAKER_32: Despite the setback, he remains determined to break the record in the future.
• 2:15:45
  SPEAKER_32: This guy is such a weirdo.
• 2:15:47
  SPEAKER_32: Running for Angie Craig's seat on the DFL side against uh GOP uh nominee uh Eric Pratt.
• 2:15:56
  SPEAKER_32: So um aiming to shake more hands than any politician in history over eight hours at the state fair.
• 2:16:04
  SPEAKER_32: Officials, though, oh, they stopped him before he could get there.
• 2:16:07
  SPEAKER_32: Oh, that's so sad.
• 2:16:09
  SPEAKER_32: Little had his sights on topping the current world handshake record held by Bill held by Bill Richardson.
• 2:16:16
  SPEAKER_32: 13,392 handshakes.
• 2:16:19
  SPEAKER_32: That was Bill's.
• 2:16:21
  SPEAKER_32: Little planned to push it all the way to 15,000 in a single eight-hour stretch at the fair.
• 2:16:27
  SPEAKER_32: Things were moving fast.
• 2:16:28
  SPEAKER_32: About an hour and 15 minutes in, Little had already reached 2,000 handshakes.
• 2:16:37
  SPEAKER_32: We were on track to beat their record and they shut us down.
• 2:16:40
  SPEAKER_32: We're still trying to figure out why.
• 2:16:45
  SPEAKER_32: Now, fair officials told Fox 9 that Little was breaking the rules surrounding behavior, activity, and soliciting.
• 2:16:52
  SPEAKER_32: Little, however, said he didn't see it that way.
• 2:16:56
  SPEAKER_32: They sent us a rule.
• 2:16:57
  SPEAKER_32: They were saying that we were interfering with the state fair.
• 2:17:00
  SPEAKER_32: I thought we were adding to it.
• 2:17:02
  SPEAKER_32: We weren't blocking anybody.
• 2:17:03
  SPEAKER_32: We'll figure out what happened, retool, and try to beat it another time, said Little.
• 2:17:09
  SPEAKER_32: He by the way, it doesn't, I don't buy any of this.
• 2:17:13
  SPEAKER_32: He probably knew he was going to be breaking the fair rules, but probably also knew that he more than likely would end up getting an abundance of attention over breaking the rules for something pretty innocuous, like just trying to break a handshake uh record.
• 2:17:27
  SPEAKER_32: And yet, what do we have here?
• 2:17:28
  SPEAKER_32: Multiple news stories now of Matt Little and the Fair stopping his handshake record.
• 2:17:33
  SPEAKER_32: He gets a bunch of free press over it for something that's relatively harmful.
• 2:17:37
  SPEAKER_32: The dude's a lunatic, but probably not dumb.
• 2:17:41
  SPEAKER_32: Of course, the local media is more than happy to go and give this guy further attention and coverage.
• 2:17:52
  SPEAKER_32: Now, despite being shut down, he said they still worked, um, they still walked away with a record, and that was 57 handshakes in 17 seconds.
• 2:18:01
  SPEAKER_32: Okay, I'm not buying that.
• 2:18:03
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, how quick are that?
• 2:18:04
  SPEAKER_32: You're doing high fives at that point.
• 2:18:06
  SPEAKER_32: You're not shaking.
• 2:18:07
  SPEAKER_32: There should be like a required, it should be like three seconds.
• 2:18:11
  SPEAKER_32: I was like, one, two, three.
• 2:18:12
  SPEAKER_32: You know, that's right, Devin, you think that's I would reach over and but I think that's like a two-second hold, three-second hold.
• 2:18:19
  SPEAKER_32: I think two is better would be my line.
• 2:18:22
  SPEAKER_32: Let's see.
• 2:18:22
  SPEAKER_32: One, one thousand, two, one, yeah, one, one thousand, two, one thousand.
• 2:18:25
  SPEAKER_13: Or at least long enough to like introduce yourself.
• 2:18:28
  SPEAKER_32: Right.
• 2:18:29
  SPEAKER_32: Yes, right.
• 2:18:29
  SPEAKER_32: My name's John.
• 2:18:30
  SPEAKER_32: Nice to meet you.
• 2:18:31
  SPEAKER_32: Boom.
• 2:18:31
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, maybe that's from me.
• 2:18:32
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, that's like half a one second, maybe.
• 2:18:35
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah.
• 2:18:36
  SPEAKER_32: Just saying.
• 2:18:37
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:18:38
  SPEAKER_32: So maybe I was a little off on that.
• 2:18:39
  SPEAKER_32: But 57 and 17 seconds.
• 2:18:41
  SPEAKER_32: No, you're just doing high fives at that point in time.
• 2:18:43
  SPEAKER_32: Little says the whole effort was more than politics.
• 2:18:46
  SPEAKER_32: Give me a break already.
• 2:18:47
  SPEAKER_32: No, it wasn't.
• 2:18:50
  SPEAKER_32: He wanted it to be something that anyone could enjoy, no matter where they stand politically.
• 2:18:56
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:18:58
  SPEAKER_32: You keep telling yourself that, dude.
• 2:18:59
  SPEAKER_32: He does say he plans to try again at a different time to go after the record for the most handshakes in uh eight hours.
• 2:19:05
  SPEAKER_32: So the state fair did respond.
• 2:19:08
  SPEAKER_32: They look at it differently.
• 2:19:11
  SPEAKER_32: Issued a statement to Fox 9 saying the policies and rules of the Minnesota Agricultural Society, which governs the state of Minnesota, excuse me, the Minnesota State Fair.
• 2:19:20
  SPEAKER_32: Um all business conducted on the fairgrounds must be done by those who have an approved, an approved license to operate with a designated footprint on the fairgrounds.
• 2:19:34
  SPEAKER_32: This rule is what prevents any person from wandering through the crowds or setting up a table and soliciting donations or trying to sell goods.
• 2:19:44
  SPEAKER_32: This also prevents third-party organizations from piggybacking on other licensed operators.
• 2:19:50
  SPEAKER_32: Listen, that's all great and fine and dandy, but the state fair doesn't follow their own rules.
• 2:19:57
  SPEAKER_32: So no person may solicit money or sell or distribute any merchandise or material of any kind without a license issued by the society authorizing solicitation, sale, distribution from a fixed location on the fairgrounds.
• 2:20:10
  SPEAKER_32: Now, because he did not have his own license for his stupid handshake stunt, okay, during the state fair, people who are not licensed are not permitted to do these things.
• 2:20:21
  SPEAKER_32: And yet all these things are happening.
• 2:20:23
  SPEAKER_32: So, first off, conduct a business which includes distributing any materials or promotional items, selling or soliciting or actively seeking to engage in conversations.
• 2:20:34
  SPEAKER_32: Along with that is protest or march and carry or post a signs or a banner.
• 2:20:40
  SPEAKER_32: And yet you have these indivisible lunatics outside of the GOP fair booth building wearing their yellow t-shirts every single day from beginning to end.
• 2:20:54
  SPEAKER_32: They rotate in shifts, they're standing there in protest.
• 2:20:57
  SPEAKER_32: Their shirts are signs.
• 2:20:59
  SPEAKER_32: And yet the fair hasn't stopped these lunatics from going and doing that.
• 2:21:05
  SPEAKER_32: I would make an argument that they are seeking to engage in conversations.
• 2:21:08
  SPEAKER_32: They are absolutely protesting.
• 2:21:10
  SPEAKER_32: You can make an argument that they're marching, they're just marching in place.
• 2:21:13
  SPEAKER_32: And carrying protest signs or a banner, they're wearing it.
• 2:21:19
  SPEAKER_32: You're also not allowed to perform.
• 2:21:23
  SPEAKER_32: Power colon drag review.
• 2:21:25
  SPEAKER_32: I guess they got a permit to do what they do.
• 2:21:28
  SPEAKER_32: Be disruptive.
• 2:21:30
  SPEAKER_32: What's the standard on being disruptive, by the way?
• 2:21:33
  SPEAKER_32: Going back to the yellow shirt indivisible leftist brigade.
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_32: Impede or interfere with the ability of licensed vendors to conduct a business.
• 2:21:41
  SPEAKER_32: Just see all the previous points.
• 2:21:44
  SPEAKER_32: Engage in activity that is unsafe for any pair fair patron, exhibitor, or employee.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_32: So if you're licensed, you can do that, apparently.
• 2:21:52
  SPEAKER_32: Is that what the argument is supposed to be?
• 2:21:55
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:21:57
  SPEAKER_32: Other activities may not be performed at the uh discretion of the state fair uh management.
• 2:22:03
  SPEAKER_32: And so then they have the catch-all at the end that we can basically shut you down for any reason, which sounds an awful lot like we refuse, we reserve the right to refuse business from any patron.
• 2:22:15
  SPEAKER_32: That sounds oddly like that.
• 2:22:17
  SPEAKER_32: Rules for thee, but not for me.
• 2:22:18
  SPEAKER_32: Uh Little is a Democrat running for Minnesota's uh second congressional seat, currently held by Angie Craig.
• 2:22:24
  SPEAKER_32: Again, his Republican opponent is Eric Pratt, who served in the Minnesota State Legislature since 2023.
• 2:22:30
  SPEAKER_32: So Lunatic Little got himself some attention at the state fair for his stupid stunt.
• 2:22:39
  SPEAKER_32: And looks like he'll probably receive some more when he actually goes, and if he goes and gets a license to try to get himself in the Guinness Book of World Records.
• 2:22:48
  SPEAKER_32: Does anybody even care about that anymore?
• 2:22:49
  SPEAKER_32: I know they still make it, but there was a pretty funny video, um, uh Paramour, a band that I used to quite a bit in enjoy, um, except for the fact that the lead singer of the band, she's a wack-a-doodle uh lefty, but they had a video for one of uh their songs where they went and actually uh ended up in the Guinness Book of World Records.
• 2:23:10
  SPEAKER_32: During the video, they went and competed a bunch of different world record challenges that they made up and people hadn't done before.
• 2:23:17
  SPEAKER_32: It's actually a very, very entertaining uh video.
• 2:23:20
  SPEAKER_32: Quite a quite a pretty cool song, too.
• 2:23:22
  SPEAKER_32: Apart from the lead singer being a radical leftist.
• 2:23:25
  SPEAKER_32: All right, Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty, should be joining us coming up in a few minutes here on the uh show.
• 2:23:30
  SPEAKER_32: Late on a Labor Day.
• 2:23:32
  SPEAKER_32: I think he wanted to sleep in.
• 2:23:33
  SPEAKER_32: Also, time permitting, we'll get to this.
• 2:23:35
  SPEAKER_32: Amy Klobishar, silent, as Minnesota poised to lose out on significant education funding.
• 2:23:43
  SPEAKER_32: And what is that education funding going towards?
• 2:23:47
  SPEAKER_32: Not this funding in particular, but just using it as a means to tease the next story.
• 2:23:51
  SPEAKER_32: Uh, Metro State Glossary defines the structural racism as a system of white domination.
• 2:23:59
  SPEAKER_32: And you wonder why you have so many lunatics that are out there posting videos defending murderers.
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  SPEAKER_21: And there were posts circulating on social media from members of these gangs saying that basically they were going to continue that line of violence at the state fair this year.
• 2:25:31
  SPEAKER_21: And thank God, you know, law enforcement perked their ears up.
• 2:25:34
  SPEAKER_21: And so now officials in Ramsey County are working with the Minnesota Attorney General's office to look at using a very, very rarely used law or excuse me, state statute called the Minnesota Civil Gang Nuisance Law to try and prevent that violence from happening.
• 2:25:50
  SPEAKER_21: The law would allow officials to sue gang members and prevent them from associating, intimidating, annoying, provoking, or threatening others in and around the state fairgrounds between August 27th and September 8th, 2026.
• 2:26:04
  SPEAKER_21: So they're asking basically a judge to issue an injunction and allow them to use this statute.
• 2:26:09
  SPEAKER_21: Statute.
• 2:26:10
  SPEAKER_21: If the injunction is issued, they would have the legal authority to proactively detain gang members listed in the suit who violate certain conditions, such as associating with one another at the fair.
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_21: And this is brilliant because otherwise law enforcement is only able to do something after a crime has taken place.
• 2:26:27
  SPEAKER_21: This is something they could do on the front end to prevent it from ever happening.
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• 2:31:06
  SPEAKER_17: I'm just curious, what do you suppose the media reaction would be if you created a bunch of 86 DFL posters and started carrying them around at protests at the fair?
• 2:31:21
  SPEAKER_17: Yeah.
• 2:31:21
  SPEAKER_17: Do you suppose we'd get a different reaction than 8647?
• 2:31:25
  SPEAKER_17: Of course we would.
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• 2:31:26
  SPEAKER_32: Of course you would.
• 2:31:27
  SPEAKER_32: It's a double standard.
• 2:31:28
  SPEAKER_32: We all just have to get it's the world that we live in.
• 2:31:30
  SPEAKER_32: We all just have to get uh get used to it.
• 2:31:32
  SPEAKER_32: So Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty.
• 2:31:35
  SPEAKER_32: It feels so odd having you on so late on a labor day, but thanks for joining us.
• 2:31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I appreciate you accommodating me so I could sleep in a little bit.
• 2:31:42
  SPEAKER_02: I I didn't I didn't get to sleep in much over the weekend.
• 2:31:45
  SPEAKER_02: So um just dealing dealing with uh with stuff around around town.
• 2:31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I I I appreciated the the little grace period on this.
• 2:31:54
  SPEAKER_02: So a blaster line, huh?
• 2:31:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's not not not not so clumsy or random as a blaster line, is it?
• 2:31:59
  SPEAKER_32: That's it.
• 2:32:00
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• 2:32:07
  SPEAKER_32: So thank you for giving me the opportunity to plug that uh once again uh into the floor.
• 2:32:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think I'm gonna make sure I leave you some some blaster comments when I'm down in Dallas this week.
• 2:32:16
  SPEAKER_32: Please, dude, let's talk about this.
• 2:32:17
  SPEAKER_32: I know we're gonna be talking with um uh Tom Emmer will be joining us from the uh from the RNC on Friday.
• 2:32:25
  SPEAKER_32: He already, I believe at eight o'clock is when he's going to be uh checking in.
• 2:32:29
  SPEAKER_32: But uh what's your what's your expectation going into this?
• 2:32:32
  SPEAKER_32: So this is uh this is the Republican National Convention prior to the midterms, right?
• 2:32:36
  SPEAKER_02: And this is this is yeah, the this is this historic midterm convention.
• 2:32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Is it yet I feel like it's the first I've heard of it.
• 2:32:44
  SPEAKER_32: Never I know the regular convections for for presidential years, but not for midterms, maybe I think.
• 2:32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:32:52
  SPEAKER_02: They've never they've never quite done this before, so it's gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out.
• 2:32:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny, I was talking to a colleague who's never been to even the the the presidential conventions and she's uh gotten a little overwhelmed with with everything.
• 2:33:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, you know, you remember that remember that line in the the Mel uh I almost said the Mel Brooks movie, The Patriot, the Mel Gibson movie, The Patriot.
• 2:33:12
  SPEAKER_02: But wouldn't you want to see the Mel Brooks version of the Patriot?
• 2:33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, 100%.
• 2:33:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Mel Gibson Patriot, where where the line is aim small, miss small, which is sort of my mantra for this.
• 2:33:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I wasn't gonna go.
• 2:33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um I originally I was just gonna steer clear uh for a lot of reasons, um, not the least of which because it's 9-11 week, but I I I wound up getting asked to go.
• 2:33:34
  SPEAKER_02: I've got an event that I'm doing with the Daily Wire on Thursday, having to do with this SEC paperwork rule that I think we're gonna talk about in a bit.
• 2:33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it is very easy to get overwhelmed and sucked into the number of events that that are happening and run yourself ragging.
• 2:33:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm only gonna be down for just under 48 hours.
• 2:33:54
  SPEAKER_02: I I am not arriving till Wednesday afternoon.
• 2:33:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've got my Thursday sort of over subscribed.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm out Friday morning.
• 2:34:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it is all about listen, Donald Trump is obviously a showman, right?
• 2:34:08
  SPEAKER_02: He's an entertainer.
• 2:34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'm I'm not meaning that as a way of casting aspersions.
• 2:34:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that just as objectively as possible.
• 2:34:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so this is to pull from the movie Wag the Dog, this is a pageant in in the very real sense of the word.
• 2:34:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is a uh a two-day event to showcase all of the good things that the Trump administration has done and has accomplished going, and Republicans have done and accomplished going into the the midterms.
• 2:34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it it it's there's a there's a there's a zen aspect to this, which is if you hold a convention and no one covers it, does it actually really happen?
• 2:34:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna be really curious as to what the coverage is going to actually be.
• 2:34:53
  SPEAKER_32: So is this the first time so the is this the first time that we've done uh a midterm conversation?
• 2:34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, literally the first time they've done a midterm convention, you know.
• 2:35:00
  SPEAKER_02: The RNC has meetings, they have um uh meetings, I want to say every quarter, uh maybe every six months.
• 2:35:07
  SPEAKER_02: So, so you know, they they do a and and most most state-based Republican parties do a meeting in the winter and a meeting or a meeting in the spring and a meeting in the fall.
• 2:35:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, you you know, that's that's following sort of on that schedule here.
• 2:35:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of the state-based Republican uh parties are using this as an opportunity to raise money uh, you know, for the access to it.
• 2:35:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I know for me it's about networking and it's about talking policy.
• 2:35:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's this Daily Wire event.
• 2:35:38
  SPEAKER_02: The Daily Wire is doing a massive series of panels uh on policy uh going into this thing.
• 2:35:45
  SPEAKER_32: Interesting.
• 2:35:46
  SPEAKER_32: Well, I'm certainly going to be curious your sort of post reaction, you know, Monday the following week.
• 2:35:52
  SPEAKER_32: I know you do, you know, I know you you go to CPAC every every single year.
• 2:35:57
  SPEAKER_32: Um, we certainly know the value of the of the Republican National Convention heading into a presidential year.
• 2:36:02
  SPEAKER_32: So it'll be interesting to see what kind of impact or what your takeaway is and whether or not you you know you felt like this was a um a worthwhile event.
• 2:36:10
  SPEAKER_32: Do you anticipate this is something that they plan on doing now for the foreseeable future moving forward?
• 2:36:15
  SPEAKER_32: Do you think this is kind of a one-off?
• 2:36:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think no no.
• 2:36:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think if it comes off, they will do it.
• 2:36:20
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, if I think if it comes off, the the Democrats will probably do their own version of it down the road.
• 2:36:24
  SPEAKER_02: The Democrats are taking a wait and see.
• 2:36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the interesting thing.
• 2:36:27
  SPEAKER_02: This was the year that it had to happen.
• 2:36:29
  SPEAKER_02: I I think you you do it and you do it as part of the celebration of America, America 250, and and that in and of itself makes it a special event.
• 2:36:38
  SPEAKER_02: So that that that's a good thing.
• 2:36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if it is successful, if it gets them the bounce that they want, uh yeah, I can see it being replicated.
• 2:36:48
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I can see the demo the Democrats doing it.
• 2:36:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, you know, the the thing about the the the four-year presidential convention uh is that there's so much planning that goes into it so far out, um that that it it you know it it comes off.
• 2:37:03
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't, I won't say it comes off seamlessly because there are obviously there are always hiccups.
• 2:37:07
  SPEAKER_02: 2012 uh with the hurricane coming in.
• 2:37:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, this was put together much more quickly than than those other events are.
• 2:37:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, you you you you wonder what's gonna happen.
• 2:37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Also, it's a little bit later, right?
• 2:37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the latest the Republican convention normally has been uh is the the last weekend of August, first weekend in September.
• 2:37:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um so this is this is a little bit this is a little bit later, pushing more into the campaign cycle.
• 2:37:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I think early voting has begun some places.
• 2:37:40
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, those are these are all factors that go into this, John.
• 2:37:44
  SPEAKER_32: So uh talk a little bit about, well, actually, before I get to that, um I'm curious your connection with Daily Wire and what it is you're gonna be meeting with them.
• 2:37:53
  SPEAKER_32: Daily Wire is a is a this is a a go-to um among many.
• 2:37:58
  SPEAKER_32: This is a go-to website for me on a daily basis when I'm prepping uh the show.
• 2:38:02
  SPEAKER_32: I I will say though, uh, and something that I've been meaning to talk about on the air, and this provides me the opportunity.
• 2:38:08
  SPEAKER_32: Um, I get increasingly concerned.
• 2:38:11
  SPEAKER_32: I understand when certain outlets have to go behind paywalls.
• 2:38:16
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:38:16
  SPEAKER_32: And Daily Wire has has had to do that as of late.
• 2:38:19
  SPEAKER_32: You can still access some of their material, but if you want to access to all of it, you got to go behind a paywall.
• 2:38:24
  SPEAKER_32: And um, it's a bit distressing to be honest, that I I understand that these, not that they have to do this, I understand why they have to do this to remain viable, but you know, I I don't like to see so many really good sources for good, right, common sense, you know, conservative commentary about the issues of the day having to be forced behind paywalls.
• 2:38:46
  SPEAKER_32: It's not a good thing.
• 2:38:48
  SPEAKER_02: I went I went through this uh just a couple of weeks ago.
• 2:38:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tout it again because it's you know, we're less than 10 minutes into my interview, and of course I've gotta promote my my recent piece in the Wall Street Journal.
• 2:38:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
• 2:39:00
  SPEAKER_02: First time I did my my piece on JD Vance.
• 2:39:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that was behind a paywall.
• 2:39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and and it was it was uh a little uh a little frustrating, you know, getting it out to people.
• 2:39:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I understand this.
• 2:39:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I the the Daily Wire is putting together a series of policy panels.
• 2:39:13
  SPEAKER_02: I know, for instance, um Steve Moore and the folks at Unleashed Prosperity and American Commitment.
• 2:39:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's just I guess it's just Unleashed Prosperity.
• 2:39:20
  SPEAKER_02: They're doing an energy panel um on Wednesday afternoon.
• 2:39:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, they're doing a series of these things.
• 2:39:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was asked to come in and do a panel on regulatory engagement, you know, how to get involved, why it's important to get involved, and specifically to talk about this upcoming uh SEC, both an SEC and a Department of Labor rule that essentially will make it harder for senior citizens and other folks who may not be tech savvy uh to get access to important prospectus material, investment material, and health insurance material on paper.
• 2:39:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, essentially wanting to make it an affirmative uh uh opt-in if you want paper.
• 2:39:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and a lot of seniors just don't understand that.
• 2:40:02
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know about you, John.
• 2:40:03
  SPEAKER_02: I know with my folks, I know with my in-laws, um, the more you try to make things electronic, uh, the more nervous.
• 2:40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the listen, the more out of touch they can be, uh, the more nervous I get.
• 2:40:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to talk about that.
• 2:40:16
  SPEAKER_02: But I want to talk about the really the unintended consequences of regulation.
• 2:40:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we've got a deliberative process.
• 2:40:23
  SPEAKER_02: You've your your listeners have heard me talk about this before.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_02: And American Experiment, I'm sure, is going to appreciate this very much.
• 2:40:29
  SPEAKER_02: So you've you you know, you've got uh uh agencies that put things out for comment.
• 2:40:34
  SPEAKER_02: And invariably, you know, when you're a bureaucrat, career civil servant, um, you look at things in a certain way and you put out proposals and you don't think about the unintended consequences.
• 2:40:45
  SPEAKER_02: So somebody at the SEC says, you know something, we want to make all of these prospectuses electronic.
• 2:40:50
  SPEAKER_02: And isn't this a good thing?
• 2:40:52
  SPEAKER_02: So we're not, you know, cluttering up people's mailboxes with a lot of paper.
• 2:40:56
  SPEAKER_02: And and yeah, you can understand the sort of the streamlining that's involved, and folks should have the option of getting things electronically.
• 2:41:02
  SPEAKER_02: I have no problems doing that.
• 2:41:03
  SPEAKER_02: But on the other hand, if you are someone who is not tech savvy and yet you have a lot of investments, or with this other rulemaking at the Department of Labor, and you're someone who is uh uh, you know, getting um uh health benefits through the Employee Security Benefits Administration.
• 2:41:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, if you're not tech savvy and all of a sudden you have to go through a bunch of websites to try to figure out how to get information that should be openly and easily available to you in an era in which we are promoting transparency and accountability, you got to think about the unintended consequences of these things.
• 2:41:35
  SPEAKER_02: So that's uh that's what I'm gonna be talking about on Thursday.
• 2:41:38
  SPEAKER_32: Well, it is a bit distressing.
• 2:41:39
  SPEAKER_32: I I agree with you.
• 2:41:40
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, in the first few weeks that we that we started the show, um, the the number of questions fielded from you know older listeners of the show of how do I listen, how do I go about doing this because we're not on traditional radio.
• 2:41:56
  SPEAKER_32: And while I believe on a long enough timeline, all of these things are kind of inevitable, whether it's moving away off of paper or in the case of what I'm doing here, moving off a terrestrial radio, be that as it may, we've still got decades worth of individuals who are used to the old school way of doing things that we cannot go and and just dismiss and get caught up with the times.
• 2:42:19
  SPEAKER_02: John, you remember uh uh there was an old Mike Myers Saturday Night Live sketch called Middle-aged man.
• 2:42:24
  SPEAKER_02: You remember this?
• 2:42:25
  SPEAKER_02: And he shows up for the uninitiated, uh, there's a couple that is uh discussing some kind of an investment strategy.
• 2:42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they're talking about leasing a car, and all of a sudden Mike Myers shows up as middle-aged man to school them uh on the wherewithals of of life, and and he talks about how he inherited this magic power from his father, uh old man.
• 2:42:44
  SPEAKER_02: And they say, Well, what's the difference between you and old man?
• 2:42:47
  SPEAKER_02: And he says, Well, I know how to program a VCR.
• 2:42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's the gap in technology.
• 2:42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and and you know, that's that's exactly it.
• 2:42:58
  SPEAKER_02: But most importantly, you know, when it comes to regulation, and this is a lot of the work that I'm doing professionally these days, is getting the agencies to try to think a little bit more empirically.
• 2:43:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know they'll look before you leap.
• 2:43:10
  SPEAKER_02: What are the unintended consequences?
• 2:43:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I had a conversation yesterday with a public policy student uh that I ran into at the dog park, and she was talking about the regulation of AI.
• 2:43:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I know it's it's very fashionable to bottom regulate AI, but the problem is that the unintended consequences of this and how it stifles innovation uh and what other technologies it can sort of absorb, these are things we have to talk about.
• 2:43:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, at the same time, right, as we talk about the benefits of AI, we have to remember that one of the unindebed consequences is that it makes it easier for the government agencies to enforce regulations uh against us.
• 2:43:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, we've gotta we gotta be cautious about giving government enormous power.
• 2:43:50
  SPEAKER_32: And we're gonna be talking uh artificial intelligence once again uh tomorrow at 6 30 with David Gartenstein Ross, our resident uh expert, fielding uh your your uh questions and uh and uh talking the latest in AI.
• 2:44:03
  SPEAKER_32: It's always a fun conversation.
• 2:44:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, something it's so funny.
• 2:44:05
  SPEAKER_02: My my wife is finally getting used to me having uh full-on conversations with uh Chat GPT.
• 2:44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we we were in the car on Saturday driving somewhere, and and uh um there was a song.
• 2:44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Leonard Skinnard came on the uh the American Top 40 countdown and Casey Kasem talked about this idea of Leonard Skinnard, all the band members living in a cabin.
• 2:44:25
  SPEAKER_02: So we had a full-on conversation with Chat GPT about whether or not they who owned the cabin and who all was living there at the time.
• 2:44:32
  SPEAKER_32: And I you know what?
• 2:44:33
  SPEAKER_32: I still I keep talking about wanting that in in uh I call my car Monty.
• 2:44:37
  SPEAKER_32: I keep talking about wanting that in Monty.
• 2:44:39
  SPEAKER_32: I haven't done it yet.
• 2:44:40
  SPEAKER_32: I have not had a conversation with Chat GPT.
• 2:44:43
  SPEAKER_32: I'm almost afraid to I'm almost afraid to go down that road and develop a relationship with the person.
• 2:44:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm beyond that.
• 2:44:50
  SPEAKER_02: My problem is is that is that I've got of is I've got chat GPT.
• 2:44:54
  SPEAKER_02: My chat GPT has a um has a British accent.
• 2:44:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's a woman with a British accent, and I think that also uh tends to unnerve my wife a little bit.
• 2:45:02
  SPEAKER_32: Do you get now?
• 2:45:03
  SPEAKER_32: Can you give your chat no?
• 2:45:04
  SPEAKER_32: So I know the chat GPT, it's specific.
• 2:45:07
  SPEAKER_32: So when you leave it and come back, like it remembers you.
• 2:45:10
  SPEAKER_32: Can you give it a different thing?
• 2:45:11
  SPEAKER_02: You can remember it, you can do things where it doesn't remember you, you can set it up that way.
• 2:45:14
  SPEAKER_02: But on the other hand, I've got stuff that I'm sort of ongoing that I want my chat GPT to remember things.
• 2:45:20
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, see, that's what I want on.
• 2:45:21
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, I would want to be able to have continuing conversations with it.
• 2:45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it it's it it it is it is enormously enormously helpful uh uh to sort of uh suss things out, you know.
• 2:45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Especially I'll I will tell you something, coming back to the RNC thing and figuring out what I need to do and how I need to focus things, sort of I, or more to the point, I came away from the State Policy Network annual meeting.
• 2:45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and this was this thing in Orlando for the uninitiated.
• 2:45:46
  SPEAKER_02: The state policy network is a network of state-based public policy think tanks, of which American Experiment is one of them.
• 2:45:53
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I had so much that went on that week, uh, or even the just the two, three days that I was down in Orlando, that I I literally just gave Chat GPT a full-on data dump, you know, of everything that I needed to get done between the end of State Policy Network and when I leave tomorrow.
• 2:46:13
  SPEAKER_02: So tomorrow I go to DC.
• 2:46:14
  SPEAKER_02: I've got a health policy conference on Wednesday morning, and then I fly from DC to Dallas and all of the things that need to happen and and have the conversation, and then ChatGPT organized it all for me, and and that was really good.
• 2:46:28
  SPEAKER_32: We had a uh blast that came in uh to 651-964-0294, and they say middle-aged uh man's sidekick was drinking buddy.
• 2:46:37
  SPEAKER_32: Drinking buddy, he'd keep saying, Stop looking at my gut.
• 2:46:41
  SPEAKER_02: So there's Are you looking at my gut?
• 2:46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm working on it.
• 2:46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, drinking buddy, played by Chris Farley.
• 2:46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Shocker.
• 2:46:47
  SPEAKER_32: Uh let's go here.
• 2:46:49
  SPEAKER_02: John, hold on for a second.
• 2:46:50
  SPEAKER_02: Why do I still get jazz?
• 2:46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Why do I still get so jazzed by Saturday Night Live?
• 2:46:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I you know, I don't know.
• 2:46:55
  SPEAKER_02: I I am still a huge fan.
• 2:46:57
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, anyway.
• 2:46:58
  SPEAKER_32: You're still watching on a weekly basis.
• 2:47:00
  SPEAKER_32: Are you still watching on a weekly basis?
• 2:47:01
  SPEAKER_32: Are you still checking it out?
• 2:47:02
  SPEAKER_02: Are you just catching the clips?
• 2:47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:47:04
  SPEAKER_02: Usually the highlights with the clips, I certainly am not watching it live.
• 2:47:06
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I mean, if there's something good and I'll watch the the, you know, I'll watch the weekend update, absolutely.
• 2:47:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think it does, you know, anytime, by the way, Ryan Gosling, when he goes back, when he he is out there promoting Starfighter, um uh he is so funny when he is on Saturday Night Live.
• 2:47:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is well worth watching.
• 2:47:23
  SPEAKER_32: So I uh a couple different angles on this.
• 2:47:26
  SPEAKER_32: I talked about it earlier in the show, but um, this announcement of a desire to take um money from this existing uh childcare fund and give it to families who would have a stay-at-home spouse.
• 2:47:41
  SPEAKER_32: It's interesting.
• 2:47:42
  SPEAKER_32: Um, Megan Basham, uh, who kind of a long story here.
• 2:47:47
  SPEAKER_32: I used to work with her husband in in Tucson.
• 2:47:50
  SPEAKER_32: So uh he was he was a meteorologist there at the re at the radio station I worked with in Tucson.
• 2:47:55
  SPEAKER_32: So I kind of have a loose connection, I I know Megan, I kind of have a loose connection there.
• 2:47:58
  SPEAKER_32: Um she's frustrated because unfortunately, there's a lot of conservatives that are posting false information online regarding this.
• 2:48:06
  SPEAKER_32: So, for example, um there was a post saying prioritizing the family unit is a noble goal.
• 2:48:12
  SPEAKER_32: However, Americans are already footing the bill for$1.2 trillion in welfare per year, which is mostly now fraud.
• 2:48:19
  SPEAKER_32: Why do we want to spend even more?
• 2:48:20
  SPEAKER_32: And Megan keeps pointing out that she doesn't like the redistribution of wealth aspect of this, but is focused on the fact that this is existing funding that's not going anywhere in this$12 billion program.
• 2:48:31
  SPEAKER_32: And she says as much.
• 2:48:32
  SPEAKER_32: She goes, it will cost no more money.
• 2:48:34
  SPEAKER_32: It's just reallocating the funding.
• 2:48:37
  SPEAKER_32: Doesn't anybody read it before they post on here?
• 2:48:39
  SPEAKER_32: Because there's been a ton of people that have been posting false information about this potential redirecting of existing funds to families who want to have a spouse stay at home and care for their children.
• 2:48:50
  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I mean, listen, it it's these are always these always get so complicated at the end of the day.
• 2:48:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I appreciate the sort of separating the myth from the fact.
• 2:48:59
  SPEAKER_02: The reality is we've got to make it easier for families to stay at home if they want, uh, one of the parents to stay at home if they want, or work from home.
• 2:49:07
  SPEAKER_02: And there are so many things that go into it.
• 2:49:09
  SPEAKER_02: My concern generally is that there are folks who are trying to institute the idea of this universal basic income.
• 2:49:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I, and I, and I don't want this to be a gateway to that.
• 2:49:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously, you know, we know that there are enormous benefits to having a parent at home uh and the greater involvement in in children's lives is absolutely essential, right?
• 2:49:34
  SPEAKER_02: We know that that is the single greatest determinant of a child's educational success is the involvement of of uh at least one parent in that child's education.
• 2:49:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, all of those things are important.
• 2:49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh on the other hand, there are so many other uh avenues that are forcing parents, right?
• 2:49:53
  SPEAKER_02: The whether it's the cost of living, whether it's the affordability issue, uh, whether it's uh uh regulation, uh, whether it's just the general tax burden, all of those things forcing two incomes that are out there.
• 2:50:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, maybe we should be also focusing or advancing a general public policy strategy from the White House on how we can get parents to have to uh um uh spend more time with their kids, not have to, or be able to spend more time with their kids if they want to.
• 2:50:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I say this as someone who also has been was recently critical of the vice president in terms of his discussion of um uh you know people maybe working too hard.
• 2:50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and and this is me uh re-categorizing uh what what the vice president said.
• 2:50:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um we have created a society in which we have made it essential, uh not essential, but but the norm that both parents have to work.
• 2:50:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um we need to get to the root causes as to why that is and fix those things.
• 2:50:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, yeah, I get a little, but I get a little uncomfortable when we're sort of talking about redistributing wealth uh to to folks who are staying at home, especially as we again, not that there's a difference between, you know, welfare to work and someone sitting on their couch watching, you know, uh uh JG Wentworth ads.
• 2:51:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, but JG Wentworth may be a sponsor, I apologize.
• 2:51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh watching JG Wentworth ads or or you know, uh uh whatever claims on on TV.
• 2:51:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, that's we we need to focus on the root causes.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, I I I don't have a problem with it on its on its face.
• 2:51:30
  SPEAKER_32: Um I'm I'm kind of in the Megan Basham camp on this, and I said this much earlier in the show, wherein I understand the concerns about it, and ultimately this$12 billion program probably shouldn't exist in and of itself, but it does.
• 2:51:44
  SPEAKER_32: And if we're gonna be redistributed, if we're gonna be shuffling money around, you know, hey, let's we could take some of it to support families, I think is here's what I know, generally speaking, a good thing.
• 2:51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Here's here's what I know.
• 2:51:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know I, you know, I I always think about, you know, again, this is a line from the V Heist, because this is what I do.
• 2:52:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I always think about someone smarter and how they might react to this.
• 2:52:04
  SPEAKER_02: And in an instance like this, I think about what Phil Kirpin might say about this from American Commitment, also works with Steve Moore, Unleashed Prosperity.
• 2:52:11
  SPEAKER_02: And Phil would be saying that if you're, you know, if you're doing it in a way, right, if you're if you're side if you're funneling money away from, say, credits for childcare that essentially make child care more expensive for everybody else, that's probably a good thing, right?
• 2:52:30
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things that Phil pinged me on a couple of years ago was um an expansion of the child care tax credit, which essentially, yes, it would have put more money in the pockets of parents to pay for child care, but it also was gonna make childcare more scarce.
• 2:52:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and Phil and I sort of ran the numbers together.
• 2:52:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, if you are, I this is gonna be backwards a little bit, so stick with me, everybody.
• 2:52:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you are engaging in a policy that is going to uh um make the supply of healthcare on the open market more accessible for working parents by encouraging more folks who are staying at home to keep their kids at home, then maybe that is a good thing.
• 2:53:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, but that's that that's I know it's a seems like a backwards way to do it.
• 2:53:14
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I'd have to have to do the full-on analysis.
• 2:53:17
  SPEAKER_32: So are you um I know you're talking about networking, working with Daily Wire is to kind of bring go full circle on our conversation for the RNC, um, for the RNC preview.
• 2:53:28
  SPEAKER_32: Have you gotten um uh have you gotten a vibe in terms of, I know you mentioned this is supposed to be sort of a boost for Republicans heading into the midterms, kind of what we see happen with the presidential um can uh you know, um uh election.
• 2:53:41
  SPEAKER_32: But are you seeing are you seeing sort of a vibe here?
• 2:53:43
  SPEAKER_32: I mean, are you going in cautiously optimistic?
• 2:53:46
  SPEAKER_32: Are you kind of going in with a clean slate in terms of your expectations of the event itself?
• 2:53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I am I am optimistic.
• 2:53:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, I had a conversation with Zach Kraft from the RNC last week when I was in for Tony, and that that sort of made me feel a little bit better uh uh about this thing.
• 2:54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I'm I'm more people I that I know are going in a way that I didn't think were going before.
• 2:54:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and that's a good thing.
• 2:54:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I will tell you, you know something, it's so funny.
• 2:54:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I found out that a buddy of mine in Virginia who was involved in the Virginia Republican Party, you know, 25, 30 years ago and has consistently worked at the presidential convention level, he's down there staffing this thing.
• 2:54:22
  SPEAKER_02: And that makes me feel better about all of this.
• 2:54:24
  SPEAKER_02: When you've got sort of the professionals that are that are down there doing it.
• 2:54:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know which of our friends in in talk media are are going.
• 2:54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I am actually credentialed as media down there, which is good.
• 2:54:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you know, I'll uh I'll tell you what, I'm gonna show up on Thursday.
• 2:54:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll I'll I'll I'll let you know uh on uh on on Thursday after I walk uh radio rail.
• 2:54:46
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see we'll see how it's gonna be.
• 2:54:48
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, I'll I'll uh I'll shoot the blaster line and you can text or leave a voicemail on the show.
• 2:54:52
  SPEAKER_32: Um speaking of which, I this comment uh came into the blaster line as we continue our discussion with Andrew Langer this morning.
• 2:54:58
  SPEAKER_14: John, this is Craig.
• 2:55:00
  SPEAKER_14: Uh we lived in France in in the early 1990s, and France's uh population was declining, and they were offering$800 per woman after having two kids to stay at home and take care of their kids.
• 2:55:14
  SPEAKER_14: Unfortunately, the French continue not to have children, and uh the immigrants uh took advantage of the program and helped to grow their numbers.
• 2:55:24
  SPEAKER_14: So sometimes it's not a good idea.
• 2:55:26
  SPEAKER_14: Interesting.
• 2:55:27
  SPEAKER_02: Unintended consequences, John.
• 2:55:29
  SPEAKER_02: Just like this uh the the SEC rule and the Department of Labor rule, which by the way, comments are due uh for both of these things on Monday, the uh the 21st.
• 2:55:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I've got uh I I'm gonna put out stuff about how you can file comments uh on those things.
• 2:55:44
  SPEAKER_32: So uh before we wrap up, uh Andrew Langer, I'll talk a little pop culture.
• 2:55:48
  SPEAKER_32: So um watched a couple of movies this week.
• 2:55:50
  SPEAKER_32: Um we watched uh we watched uh May Day uh with uh Ryan Reynolds and uh Kenneth Brown.
• 2:55:57
  SPEAKER_32: What was that?
• 2:55:58
  SPEAKER_32: So I was entertained.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:56:01
  SPEAKER_32: Um it was odd.
• 2:56:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how else to describe it.
• 2:56:06
  SPEAKER_02: Who plays the right?
• 2:56:07
  SPEAKER_02: Kenneth Brown plays the Russian.
• 2:56:08
  SPEAKER_32: Yes.
• 2:56:09
  SPEAKER_32: He does a great job.
• 2:56:10
  SPEAKER_32: He has a ridiculous wig on.
• 2:56:12
  SPEAKER_32: His b he's got this luscious brown hair without a hint of gray.
• 2:56:17
  SPEAKER_32: And I'm just like going, there's just no that was probably the biggest, the biggest issue I had.
• 2:56:22
  SPEAKER_32: Interesting.
• 2:56:22
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:56:23
  SPEAKER_32: Distracted.
• 2:56:24
  SPEAKER_32: You know the you know the controversy around it, right?
• 2:56:26
  SPEAKER_32: With what Ryan Reynolds.
• 2:56:28
  SPEAKER_32: Okay, so this is a this is in the 80s.
• 2:56:31
  SPEAKER_32: Um, this is uh an SR 71 Blackbird pilot ends up going down, you know, gets shot down in Russia.
• 2:56:37
  SPEAKER_32: He ends up, it's almost like a reverse misery.
• 2:56:40
  SPEAKER_32: He's taken in by Kenneth Branagh, who's a massive fan of America, his home lined with top gun posters and all this Americana stuff.
• 2:56:49
  SPEAKER_32: And so they go on this wacky adventure.
• 2:56:52
  SPEAKER_32: I say wacky, it's not really wacky, but they go.
• 2:56:55
  SPEAKER_02: Does Kenneth Branagh say he didn't get out of the cocky duty car in a Russian accent?
• 2:56:58
  SPEAKER_02: Because then I'm all in.
• 2:56:59
  SPEAKER_02: No, he does not.
• 2:57:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:57:01
  SPEAKER_32: Um so so uh they end up having to you know try to get out of the country, and he's trying to get him um extradited with him.
• 2:57:09
  SPEAKER_32: Ryan Reynolds is the controversy, is it's a very pro-America film, pro-Reagan-era America.
• 2:57:15
  SPEAKER_32: It's very, you know, it's it's very upfront with it.
• 2:57:18
  SPEAKER_32: But Ryan, Ryan Reynolds had taken to media before it came out in the promotion of it and started going off about how the 80s were really horrible and awful, and people misremember how bad it was.
• 2:57:31
  SPEAKER_32: It was just like for a film that's actually very pro-America, it was an incredibly stupid thing to say.
• 2:57:37
  SPEAKER_32: So I enjoyed watching it.
• 2:57:39
  SPEAKER_32: Good.
• 2:57:39
  SPEAKER_32: I we I wouldn't watch it again.
• 2:57:41
  SPEAKER_32: I was entertained for the two hours that it was.
• 2:57:43
  SPEAKER_32: It's on Apple Plus.
• 2:57:45
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, it's on Apple TV.
• 2:57:47
  SPEAKER_32: Okay.
• 2:57:47
  SPEAKER_32: So if you if you just want a good watch, you know, go for it.
• 2:57:49
  SPEAKER_02: It was like we don't have Apple TV, so we were talking about getting it just to start watching this, so maybe not then.
• 2:57:55
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, nah, it was good, it was okay.
• 2:57:56
  SPEAKER_32: The other one that I watched, which was also weird, was Fuse.
• 2:58:00
  SPEAKER_32: Have you heard of Fuse?
• 2:58:01
  SPEAKER_32: I've heard of Fuse.
• 2:58:03
  SPEAKER_32: So it's on H HBO Max, Aaron Taylor Johnson, Theo James, and then the guy that played uh uh Jake Sully in uh in Avatar.
• 2:58:12
  SPEAKER_32: Um it too was enjoyable, but really it was like it was like an episode of Lioness.
• 2:58:19
  SPEAKER_32: It was like a two-hour episode of Lioness in terms of the reaction and the and the quality of it.
• 2:58:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I've seen that I've seen the trailer for this, sure.
• 2:58:27
  SPEAKER_32: Incredibly predictable.
• 2:58:29
  SPEAKER_32: I think I figured out the plot and told Melinda I think this is what's gonna happen, and I was fairly spot on.
• 2:58:34
  SPEAKER_32: That being said, I was enter I was entertained.
• 2:58:36
  SPEAKER_32: They were all, you know, they're all very much like your straight to videos used to be, you know.
• 2:58:41
  SPEAKER_02: Are you watching the shards on Hulu?
• 2:58:44
  SPEAKER_32: No, I have been intrigued by the trailers, but I have not watched the Shards.
• 2:58:48
  SPEAKER_02: Growing up, because you grew up in Southern California, right?
• 2:58:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:58:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you should watch this because you and I are roughly contemporaries.
• 2:58:55
  SPEAKER_02: Bret East and Ellis is a fictionalized character in his own Bred East and Ellis universe.
• 2:59:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's really interesting.
• 2:59:02
  SPEAKER_02: The music is great, it's it's you know, it some of it is not quite as predictable.
• 2:59:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's so that's kind of that's kind of fun.
• 2:59:09
  SPEAKER_02: We watched Pressure finally, the uh the the story about uh uh Eisenhower and We watched it too.
• 2:59:16
  SPEAKER_02: Meteorologist, and you know something I what did you think?
• 2:59:19
  SPEAKER_02: I I I don't think it didn't live up to the hype for me.
• 2:59:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I thought it was very compelling, but it was also really quick.
• 2:59:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was it was it was like disturbingly fast.
• 2:59:29
  SPEAKER_02: It should have been two episodes in a 10-part miniseries about Eisenhower and the war because I could watch Brendan Fraser playing Eisenhower for hours, but beyond that, it was yeah, I I I I was I was not quite as impressed as and I was someone who because of the trailers, I read I the biography, one of the biographies of Eisenhower.
• 2:59:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'm a huge fan of Eisenhower, and so that was really that was really interesting.
• 2:59:55
  SPEAKER_32: But yeah, yes, this was uh this was the inverse of what typically happens in our household.
• 2:59:59
  SPEAKER_32: So typically it's me hyped up for a movie making Melinda watch and then going, ah, that was just okay, which was the case for Fuse in May Day.
• 3:00:07
  SPEAKER_32: Sure.
• 3:00:08
  SPEAKER_32: Pressure, pressure was one that I was interested in seeing it, but I was like, eh, okay, whatever.
• 3:00:12
  SPEAKER_32: I kind of had my spidey senses tingling on the quality of it based off the trailers.
• 3:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: Melinda really wanted to watch it, and then we watched it, and we're kind of like, yeah, that that that was not that was not nearly as good as we it was like the the conflict, and you understand the conflict over over D Day and and the need for it, but at some point it's like, well, okay, maybe it's because we know what's gonna happen, but I I didn't really I didn't really feel like we were solving solving anything.
• 3:00:37
  SPEAKER_32: No, so for those that don't know, this was about they end they end up bringing in this meteorologist who's a bit of a curmudgeon.
• 3:00:44
  SPEAKER_32: Uh you could probably describe him better than I, but he is.
• 3:00:46
  SPEAKER_32: He's a curmudgeon, he's very sort of hard-nosed.
• 3:00:48
  SPEAKER_32: Uh he's working with the other existing meteorologists.
• 3:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, he's he's angry Sheldon Cooper is basically what he is.
• 3:00:53
  SPEAKER_32: Yes, yes, that's a great.
• 3:00:55
  SPEAKER_32: I knew you'd come up with a better one.
• 3:00:56
  SPEAKER_32: Thank you.
• 3:00:57
  SPEAKER_32: So, you know, he's butting heads with the current meteorologists that the military are employing.
• 3:01:01
  SPEAKER_32: He's convinced that, hey, they can't launch D-Day because the weather is going to be bad and there's this conflict.
• 3:01:07
  SPEAKER_32: The problem is that's that's sort of exemplified in the trailer, but when you watch the movie, you can tell that they were writing this line between what legitimately happened and trying and kind of and and um and making it more of an intense drama, but it doesn't really feel like the story necessitated that.
• 3:01:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's why listen, I will tell you something.
• 3:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: I want to see Martin Scorsese do a biopic of the life of of Crick, the American meteorologist, who apparently had this fascinating, like Howard Hughes kind of life uh in in Southern California, again in Southern California being a meteorologist.
• 3:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: I would, I would, I would, I would like to see, I would like to see that movie.
• 3:01:43
  SPEAKER_32: It's funny you bring that up because I have the aviator on my short list of films that I'm gonna re-watch soon because I know that.
• 3:01:49
  SPEAKER_02: Got to, got to, got to.
• 3:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know you know from start to finish.
• 3:01:52
  SPEAKER_02: Such a such a great movie.
• 3:01:53
  SPEAKER_32: Well, Andrew Langer, anything else before we let you go?
• 3:01:56
  SPEAKER_32: And I actually wrap up the show today.
• 3:01:57
  SPEAKER_32: You took me to the show's conclusion.
• 3:01:59
  SPEAKER_32: So that's it.
• 3:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes, I forgot about this.
• 3:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, so listen, um, my interview with Jeff Singer uh is is up uh or it's going up this morning.
• 3:02:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he is a uh healthcare fellow at the Cato Institute talking about resource economics and healthcare, uh and and science, and and so that's really good.
• 3:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, if you're not following me on uh on X uh at Andrew underscore langer, please do so.
• 3:02:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, RNC this week.
• 3:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I will be um uh I will definitely send you a a blast.
• 3:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: And uh then yeah, then uh we got this rulemaking.
• 3:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you all about it.
• 3:02:32
  SPEAKER_32: So we'll end on this.
• 3:02:33
  SPEAKER_32: You mentioned Cato Institute completely separate, but it jogged my memory.
• 3:02:37
  SPEAKER_32: Kato Kalen was on, he was on the Tim Pool podcast last week.
• 3:02:43
  SPEAKER_32: If you're bored and want something to listen to, give it a listen.
• 3:02:46
  SPEAKER_32: It is I'm all in it.
• 3:02:47
  SPEAKER_32: It is fascinating to see the meeting of the minds between Tim Pool and Kato Kalen and then talking about Lindsey Clancy prior to the mistrial.
• 3:02:57
  SPEAKER_32: Yeah, it's it's it's it's worth a few minutes of a.
• 3:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: I will I will do that.
• 3:03:01
  SPEAKER_02: That that is I will I will absolutely do that.
• 3:03:03
  SPEAKER_32: All right.
• 3:03:03
  SPEAKER_32: Hey, buddy, I look forward to uh hearing from you later in the week and we'll talk extensively uh next uh next Monday.
• 3:03:08
  SPEAKER_32: But thanks for the time this morning.
• 3:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: Takes care, bud.
• 3:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: Take care, bud.
• 3:03:11
  SPEAKER_32: Bye.
• 3:03:12
  SPEAKER_32: And listen, that wraps up uh the show uh for a uh Monday here on a Labor Day tomorrow on the show.
• 3:03:19
  SPEAKER_32: We'll get into uh Aimon Klobuchar being silent um on uh this issue of the state not opting into the federal tax uh credit program that could have generated millions for K through 12 uh students.
• 3:03:32
  SPEAKER_32: Um and also that uh structural racism, a system of white domination in that uh metro state, metro state glossary defines this uh in uh in such a way.
• 3:03:44
  SPEAKER_32: A story from uh Alpha News.
• 3:03:45
  SPEAKER_32: We'll get into that on uh tomorrow's show.
• 3:03:47
  SPEAKER_32: Also, we'll be talking with David uh Gartenstein Ross, a little artificial intelligence.
• 3:03:51
  SPEAKER_32: I already have some really interesting stories uh chosen for my uh, and I should say our discussion of uh artificial intelligence with uh David Gartenstein Ross.
• 3:04:02
  SPEAKER_32: So uh thank you so much for hanging out with us on this uh Labor Day.
• 3:04:05
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• 3:04:17
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• 3:04:28
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• 3:04:31
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• 3:04:46
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• 3:04:52
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• 3:04:58
  SPEAKER_32: Uh God bless and uh make it a great one.
• 3:05:00
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