Latest / BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show / Drive Thru News #43 - Real Talk! The Cost of EV Ownership in 2024

Transcript

Drive Thru News #43 - Real Talk! The Cost of EV Ownership in 2024 · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

• 0:00
  The Drive Thru is GTM's monthly news episode and is sponsored in part
• 0:03
  by organizations like HPTEjunkie.
• 0:06
  com, Hooked on Driving, AmericanMuscle.
• 0:09
  com, CollectorCarGuide.
• 0:10
  net, Project Motoring, Garage Style Magazine, and many others.
• 0:15
  If you are interested in becoming a sponsor of the Drive
• 0:17
  Thru, look no further than www.
• 0:20
  gtmotorsports.
• 0:21
  org.
• 0:22
  Click about, and then advertising.
• 0:24
  Thank you again to everyone that supports Grand Touring Motorsports,
• 0:27
  our podcast, Brake Fix, and all the other services we provide.
• 0:33
  Wait, where's the button?
• 0:35
  Welcome to drive through episode number 43.
• 0:39
  This is our monthly recap where we've put together a menu of automotive,
• 0:43
  motorsport and random car adjacent news.
• 0:46
  Now let's pull up to window number one for some automotive news.
• 0:51
  This is our season five kickoff heading into a long run of a hundred
• 0:58
  different episodes coming your way.
• 1:00
  If tuning in for the first time.
• 1:01
  And that's just next week.
• 1:03
  Yeah, right?
• 1:04
  We have a very aggressive schedule here.
• 1:06
  No, season five is action packed.
• 1:08
  But first, before we jump into our automotive news, Brad,
• 1:10
  we need a cyber truck update.
• 1:12
  The update is there's no update.
• 1:14
  Oh, come on.
• 1:15
  Have you been able to ditch that?
• 1:17
  Allotment yet.
• 1:18
  Nope.
• 1:18
  But I will say I saw on cars and bids that somebody is selling a cyber truck.
• 1:24
  And the current bid is up to 150, 000 just for the allotment.
• 1:28
  Well, no, that's for the actual truck.
• 1:30
  I believe they took ownership and then they're selling it.
• 1:32
  Is Tesla suing them yet?
• 1:33
  I don't know.
• 1:34
  It didn't say in the ad whether they were being sued or not.
• 1:36
  But if you think about it, that's actually not that.
• 1:38
  I mean, I guess it is a lot.
• 1:40
  It's 33 percent markup profit.
• 1:42
  The Cybertruck is definitely not out of the news.
• 1:44
  I actually avoided putting it into this drive thru episode because we talked
• 1:48
  about it so much and it's just unending.
• 1:50
  I mean, the internet is obviously full of trolls, but it's also relentless.
• 1:54
  In terms of the things that are going on with the Cybertruck.
• 1:57
  There's literally like a plea out there to say stop abusing Cybertrucks.
• 2:01
  Like people are doing the craziest things to them and say like, see,
• 2:04
  they're just big pieces of junk.
• 2:06
  And it's like, all right, guys, give it a rest.
• 2:08
  The same shit happened when the Ford F 150 Raptor first came out.
• 2:12
  There's a lot of hate because people were taking them out to
• 2:15
  sand dunes and stuff and literally.
• 2:17
  Jumping them five, six feet in the air off these jumps.
• 2:21
  Then the trucks were landing and the frames were cracking.
• 2:24
  Like the bed was separating from the body of the truck.
• 2:27
  I mean, the cab was breaking.
• 2:28
  I mean, there are all kinds of problems.
• 2:30
  And this is the original Raptor with the V8, not the EcoBoost Raptor.
• 2:34
  At that time, that is how Ford had advertised the truck, but Ford was
• 2:37
  getting a lot of hate for the Raptor.
• 2:40
  Haters going to hate, I think is the key term here.
• 2:42
  And players going to play.
• 2:43
  Haters always going to hate.
• 2:44
  Yeah, play is going to play hate is going to hate.
• 2:47
  Jokes aside, we kick this off talking about the cyber truck
• 2:50
  again, because the showcase for this month is a little bit different.
• 2:54
  It's a little bit more personal.
• 2:55
  And I wanted to touch on some homework that I've done about what is the real cost
• 3:00
  of ownership of an EV in the year 2024?
• 3:04
  What I've done Come to realize is there's a lot of hearsay and
• 3:09
  speculation and tinfoil hats about what's going on in the EV world.
• 3:15
  And there's just some real concrete information that I've come across.
• 3:20
  And I'm going to get into this as we go along.
• 3:22
  I got to first start off by saying, if you're listening to this for the first
• 3:24
  time, we do own quote unquote an EV.
• 3:27
  So does Brad now you have a hybrid, we have a plug in hybrid.
• 3:30
  Both of us have vans.
• 3:32
  My wife's had hers since 2019.
• 3:34
  The plug in hybrid tries to be all electric all the time.
• 3:37
  And then it switches the gas 16 kilowatt battery, get 33 to 36 to
• 3:41
  almost 40 miles out of the battery, depending on the temperature.
• 3:44
  You know, if it's summer versus winter, stuff like that.
• 3:46
  You know, she loves it record setting miles per gallon, you know,
• 3:50
  almost 50 miles of the gallon.
• 3:51
  She's gone almost 1100 miles between Phillips, like all this astronomical
• 3:55
  stuff, like blowing our previous diesels completely out of the water, right?
• 3:59
  Like, wow, this thing's incredible, but here we are.
• 4:02
  Five years later, and what's it really like to own a plug in
• 4:05
  hybrid or an EV or whatever it is?
• 4:07
  Oh, we're going to qualify this, but what's it like to own a plug in hybrid EV?
• 4:11
  And then what's it like to own a Chrysler plug in hybrid EV?
• 4:15
  Cost of ownership and convenience expense and things like that.
• 4:19
  We're going to get into that.
• 4:21
  But what kicked off this entire investigation?
• 4:24
  Actually goes back to many drive through episodes we've had in the past, talking
• 4:29
  about the electricity availability, the infrastructure in our homes, the
• 4:34
  infrastructure commercially available, the power grid states that can't
• 4:39
  even maintain their air conditioning in the summer because the grid is
• 4:42
  overstressed, all this kind of stuff.
• 4:43
  And people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:45
  You know, we'll put up some more windmills or, you know, we'll
• 4:47
  make up the difference somehow.
• 4:48
  But the reality of the situation is.
• 4:50
  We live in a house that was built in the late seventies, early eighties.
• 4:54
  A lot of stuff that was to code back then doesn't meet the code of a house
• 4:58
  that was built, let's say in 2019 when my wife's Pacifica was built.
• 5:01
  And so we got a letter in the mail.
• 5:03
  Yeah, we still get those, you know, like paper mail.
• 5:05
  So I got this letter in the mail from our utility company and it was talking
• 5:09
  about upgrading, adding a level two charger to your garage and this and that.
• 5:15
  And I'm reading this letter and it sounds really good.
• 5:17
  It was very technical and not a lot of marketing.
• 5:19
  Fluff.
• 5:20
  So I was like, you know what?
• 5:21
  You've got my attention.
• 5:22
  I'm going to reach out, contact this number, fill out this
• 5:25
  form, all this kind of stuff.
• 5:26
  And in this solicitation, it says 1, 100 and I'm like, that's the magic number.
• 5:31
  As we know, working on race cars, everything's 1, 100
• 5:34
  every time you turn around.
• 5:35
  So I'm like, you've got my attention.
• 5:37
  Let me see how bad this is going to be.
• 5:39
  What started as an 1, 100 offer has turned into an 11, 000 nightmare.
• 5:44
  And let me explain.
• 5:45
  So real talk, there is a lot of moving parts when it comes to upgrading the
• 5:52
  house to make it acceptable to have an EV.
• 5:55
  Not just a plug in hybrid that has a small battery, but imagine a Tesla.
• 5:59
  Or a Rivian or a Volkswagen ID where it's got a much larger
• 6:03
  battery with that extended range three, four, five, 600 miles.
• 6:07
  You don't want to wait a week like that guy in Canada with a
• 6:10
  Hyundai to be able to charge it.
• 6:11
  Level two charger is sort of the minimum.
• 6:13
  Now we're still in a level one hundred and ten bolt charger and we can get
• 6:17
  the van charged roughly overnight.
• 6:19
  So how did we get to 11, 000?
• 6:21
  Well, let me explain like a lot of people, especially on the East Coast where
• 6:25
  houses are a lot older, but there are new developments popping up all the time.
• 6:30
  But if you have a house from the 1950s through the early 2000s, a lot of the code
• 6:35
  and all that kind of stuff was the same.
• 6:36
  The service to the house ours is on the one 50 side because we
• 6:39
  were built in the late seventies.
• 6:40
  So the first hurdle became, well, your service is too small.
• 6:44
  We need to upgrade the entire fuse panel in the house.
• 6:47
  Okay, well, what do we got to upgrade to?
• 6:49
  Well, technically.
• 6:50
  200 in the house to be code just for the house to future proof the house.
• 6:54
  You got to upgrade to 200 amp, but realistically you need a separate 200
• 6:57
  amp service in the garage because of the way the house is built and this and that
• 7:01
  and yada, yada, and then we got to make sure that the power lines underground are
• 7:06
  enough to deliver 400 amp to the house.
• 7:08
  You know, maybe we have to run new service underground.
• 7:10
  That's on us to do that, but maybe there's a hidden cost there too.
• 7:14
  We're not a hundred percent sure yet.
• 7:15
  It started to compound and then you need this, and then you've got to buy this
• 7:19
  And then because you have two separate services, one on the garage side and
• 7:23
  one on the house side, then you need a kill switch because the code says that
• 7:26
  you have to be able to terminate all the electricity in one spot and more and more
• 7:30
  and more and more and all this stuff.
• 7:31
  The next thing you know, the guy comes back and he goes, well, here's your quote.
• 7:34
  It's 11 grand.
• 7:35
  Obviously your mileage may vary.
• 7:37
  It could cost you five grand.
• 7:38
  It could cost you 12 grand.
• 7:40
  What I heard from the utility company was the average was about 8, 800 bucks to
• 7:45
  do the upgrade if you don't have 200 amp service and all this other stuff, right?
• 7:49
  You don't have a much more modern house.
• 7:50
  So that's still, let's say 10 grand.
• 7:53
  And I'm like, what?
• 7:54
  I don't think I'm special.
• 7:56
  We live in a modest home.
• 7:58
  And I think a lot of other people, not just in my neighborhood where the
• 8:01
  houses were built at the same time, but across middle America would be faced
• 8:06
  with the same problem if they're trying to go to EV and just solely EV, not
• 8:11
  just a small battery plug in hybrid.
• 8:13
  And I'm like, this is an astronomical amount of money for people.
• 8:17
  Not everybody has.
• 8:18
  11, 15, 20 grand sitting aside to make this massive utility
• 8:24
  upgrade to their houses.
• 8:26
  So I'm scratching my head going, how is this tenable long term?
• 8:31
  Well, two things.
• 8:31
  One, I must be the luckiest guy in the world because my garage
• 8:34
  already has a separate power account with a 200 amp board.
• 8:39
  So I've already got 200 in the garage separate from the house,
• 8:42
  completely separate, separate account, separate everything to that's what
• 8:45
  home equity loans are for bud.
• 8:48
  You overextended up to detonate to their eyeballs.
• 8:51
  Remember that old commercial?
• 8:52
  The guy's like, I've got a mansion and I live on a golf course
• 8:55
  and I'm riding my lawnmower and I'm up to my eyeballs in debt.
• 8:58
  And that's true.
• 8:59
  And that's where, again, it becomes this total cost of ownership thing.
• 9:02
  And we talked about low budget.
• 9:04
  EVs before Hyundai's got some all the way up to 40, 000.
• 9:08
  That's like the low budget now, right?
• 9:10
  We're like the Mach E all these other kinds of cars that sort of fit in
• 9:13
  that window between 25 and 40, 000.
• 9:15
  I'm sitting here going, you go and buy this EV and you have this
• 9:18
  fantasy that I'm going to get free electrons at the library.
• 9:21
  Well, guess what?
• 9:22
  You got to swipe a credit card there.
• 9:23
  I'm going to get free electrons when I park at Ikea.
• 9:25
  Guess what?
• 9:25
  You got to swipe a credit card there because it's all.
• 9:27
  AmeriCharge and CradlePoint and all these different services,
• 9:30
  it doesn't cost nothing.
• 9:31
  It's very rare to find free electrons anymore.
• 9:35
  And so I'm like, okay, well, do you want to sit in the parking lot at
• 9:38
  the library for 45 minutes to charge?
• 9:41
  I mean, it's a long time.
• 9:42
  Granted, you could be doing other stuff.
• 9:43
  Maybe you could go for a walk, take the dog, you know, whatever
• 9:45
  it is fine, but you've got to go out of your way to get power.
• 9:48
  If you don't have like you have the 200 amp extra service to set
• 9:52
  up that level two charger at home.
• 9:54
  You just bought a 30, 000 Model 3.
• 9:56
  That's what they're supposed to cost.
• 9:58
  And now you're faced with an 11, 000 bill, maybe a 20, 000 upcharge on that.
• 10:03
  So now you're 50 grand in the hole on this EV.
• 10:07
  And Tonya and I talked about this, how much gas.
• 10:09
  And diesel for that matter, can you buy for 10, 000?
• 10:14
  So these are things you got to think about.
• 10:15
  Yeah, I get that.
• 10:16
  We're saving the planet and all these kinds of things.
• 10:18
  That's debatable too.
• 10:19
  Exactly.
• 10:20
  I'm still interested because I want to future proof my garage.
• 10:24
  I've got some other things I want to do.
• 10:26
  Some heavier equipment that we've had issues with, you know, mountain
• 10:29
  man, Dan brings over a welder and it's like a minor brownout.
• 10:32
  You literally cannot run a vacuum cleaner in the garage while the van is charging,
• 10:36
  because it'll knock all the circuits out.
• 10:38
  Like it's just, it's a mess.
• 10:39
  So I'm sort of like, well, if I make the investment, maybe we'll get it back out
• 10:43
  of the house later if we sell it, because you can come in and say, look, we're
• 10:46
  already set up for EV and we have his and her chargers on both sides of the garage
• 10:51
  and you know, all this wonderful stuff.
• 10:53
  Still, it's hard to get away from a five figure price tag.
• 10:56
  It's like, ah, that hurts.
• 10:58
  If we take that off the table and say, everybody's just got a tax return.
• 11:03
  They got an extra 15 grand to spend on upgrading their house.
• 11:06
  So they can, everybody can get an EV in the future.
• 11:08
  What about the grid tax returns?
• 11:11
  Are these getting 15 grand back?
• 11:13
  We're living in fantasy land now, right?
• 11:15
  Yeah, we are.
• 11:16
  Pull our pennies, but let's just say you could find the
• 11:19
  money to upgrade your house.
• 11:21
  Do you do it?
• 11:21
  Do you not?
• 11:22
  But then also the stress on the grid.
• 11:25
  Are there parts of the country that are better prepared?
• 11:27
  Like Tennessee, especially like Chattanooga near TVA, stuff like that.
• 11:30
  They have the self healing power grid, very modern, very progressive,
• 11:34
  but that doesn't exist everywhere.
• 11:36
  We know California struggles.
• 11:38
  We know Texas can struggle.
• 11:39
  The East Coast, maybe not so much.
• 11:41
  But I think if everybody here from Massachusetts to Florida converted
• 11:46
  their houses to be EV ready, we'd have a really big problem.
• 11:50
  We're also just talking about houses.
• 11:51
  There's also people that live in apartment complexes and things like that.
• 11:55
  Are they excluded from being able to have an EV because
• 11:58
  they live in such a facility?
• 12:01
  Or are we going to require these landlords to upgrade their service?
• 12:04
  Not only For one family, but the entirety of their property and their unit.
• 12:08
  And that actually is a really great segue back into the episode we did with
• 12:12
  Henry Grabar, because a lot of those complexes, the apartment buildings
• 12:16
  and condominiums and all that is predicated on parking availability.
• 12:19
  And so I won't get into all that, go back to that episode from the end of last year.
• 12:23
  It's fascinating.
• 12:24
  He wrote a whole book about it, about how parking changes the world.
• 12:27
  And it really explains how parking dictates.
• 12:30
  How houses are built.
• 12:31
  But we did talk about it on his episode about the EV grid, how this
• 12:35
  is going to work, parking lots are going to have to be changed over.
• 12:38
  So that's another whole layer of complexity, but you're right.
• 12:42
  Apartment buildings, not everybody lives in a single family home.
• 12:45
  Here's the other thing.
• 12:46
  It's not an overnight process.
• 12:48
  They make it seem like it's going to take a day.
• 12:50
  They can come in and do it.
• 12:51
  Sure.
• 12:52
  If you're already set up for it, they're going to add another breaker.
• 12:55
  They're going to install the level two charger, which by the way,
• 12:57
  you have to purchase separately.
• 12:59
  So you're looking at a juice box, you're looking at a whatever,
• 13:02
  and that's another six to eight hundred bucks that you gotta spend.
• 13:04
  But they'll sell it to you, you know, they get them in volume, you
• 13:07
  get a slight discount, it's like fifty bucks less than what you'd
• 13:09
  buy for on Amazon if you ordered it.
• 13:11
  Okay, fine, sure.
• 13:12
  You're gonna be without power for multiple days.
• 13:14
  Because they got to do this whole upgrade.
• 13:17
  Not only are they changing my main service panel, they got to
• 13:19
  change my meter box on the outside.
• 13:21
  They're like ripping everything out down to the bare wires to
• 13:24
  be able to do this project.
• 13:25
  If the underground wiring is insufficient, which they still have to figure out at
• 13:30
  this point because they have to do a service call and this utility has to get
• 13:33
  involved and all these kinds of things.
• 13:34
  If they have to add more power underground, they got to go all
• 13:38
  the way back to the transformer.
• 13:39
  They might have to upgrade the transformer.
• 13:40
  Now there's all these other moving parts.
• 13:42
  It takes almost two months to get that part done.
• 13:46
  So we're still waiting for their initial survey to be completed to see
• 13:50
  is there enough service underground?
• 13:52
  Because we don't have power lines in this neighborhood.
• 13:54
  It was one of those like early, we're going to do everything
• 13:56
  underground sort of deals.
• 13:57
  So they got to go investigate all that.
• 13:59
  And then once they get that done, it could be another month before they
• 14:02
  can get us in the loop to schedule the process, to even begin to take the house
• 14:06
  offline for a couple of days, change out the service and add all this stuff.
• 14:10
  Then they're punching holes in the walls, you know, all this kind of thing.
• 14:13
  This is going to be like a 90 to 120 day effort.
• 14:17
  And I would have zero expectation that anything happens in two months.
• 14:23
  Because you as a residential query are very low on the order in the
• 14:28
  utility company's work list, the priority who is going to go to
• 14:32
  hospitals or other things like that, they'll get the priority of the work.
• 14:36
  They might have said two months, but I wouldn't be surprised if you're dragged
• 14:40
  on for months and months and months.
• 14:41
  We'll catch back up with Eric in season six.
• 14:44
  A hundred percent.
• 14:45
  Yeah, we'll still be talking about my level two charger that I don't have.
• 14:48
  Again, just bought my EV.
• 14:49
  I don't have my charger.
• 14:51
  I want to upgrade the house.
• 14:52
  I still got to go to the library, you know, to go find free electrons
• 14:56
  because I still can't charge at home.
• 14:57
  That's the other thing.
• 14:58
  Time is valuable.
• 15:00
  How much is it costing me to sit there to get my electrons at the library?
• 15:04
  And then how much is it going to cost me later when my bill spikes?
• 15:09
  Because they got to do some other metering and all this kind of thing when you plug
• 15:13
  the EV in to say, we're not going to charge you at the maximum rate because
• 15:16
  the price of electricity has also gone up.
• 15:19
  This is all getting really, really complicated very quickly.
• 15:22
  And I already noticed that our electric bill had gone up when we got the
• 15:26
  Pacifica, but five years ago, our electricity, you know, negotiated
• 15:30
  rate and all this kind of stuff.
• 15:31
  It was low.
• 15:32
  It was like, Oh man, what's an extra 40 bucks a month.
• 15:34
  I would pay more than that in fuel.
• 15:36
  But now Five years later, our electricity bill has doubled.
• 15:40
  Is that a result of the van?
• 15:41
  Is that a result of the price of electricity?
• 15:44
  It all plays a factor and we're not getting any special sub metering or
• 15:49
  off hours when we plug in the band.
• 15:51
  We've asked, we have a level one.
• 15:52
  Can we get the exemption?
• 15:54
  You know, when it runs between these hours and the power company's like,
• 15:57
  nah, it's just like, you've got a stove running for 13 hours at a time.
• 16:00
  And that's exactly what it is.
• 16:02
  It's like a stove running with the broiler on.
• 16:04
  All night.
• 16:05
  So it's costing a ton.
• 16:07
  I'm starting to wonder, is it worth it?
• 16:09
  What really brings into the question, is it worth it?
• 16:12
  You made jokes about the cost of ownership of an EV versus the cost
• 16:15
  of ownership of a Chrysler EV.
• 16:17
  So this is where it gets ironic.
• 16:20
  President's day, everybody's off from school.
• 16:22
  We're home, got the day off, you know, that kind of thing.
• 16:24
  We're like, what are we gonna do?
• 16:25
  President's day.
• 16:26
  And my wife goes, Hey, you know, there was a recall letter from the dealership.
• 16:29
  This is a great day to take the van in to get it done because I could drop you guys
• 16:34
  off and you know, the whole thing, right?
• 16:36
  We took it in for this recall and it's had something to do with power control
• 16:39
  module and all this kind of stuff.
• 16:41
  And we're like, oh, okay, cool.
• 16:42
  She mentioned to me the week before.
• 16:45
  That the van was doing something weird.
• 16:46
  It would flash the check engine light and then would go away.
• 16:49
  It wouldn't stay on.
• 16:50
  It's like an intermittent code.
• 16:51
  My wife's got an Autel scanner.
• 16:53
  She hooks up her phone, Bluetooth to it, pulls down.
• 16:56
  She showed it to me later.
• 16:57
  She goes, it kind of aligns itself with the recall.
• 17:00
  This is perfect timing.
• 17:01
  We're going to take the van in, get the recall done.
• 17:03
  Then check engine light goes away.
• 17:04
  We'll report the whole thing and blah, blah, blah.
• 17:06
  And the service writer's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:07
  Great.
• 17:08
  This is awesome.
• 17:09
  Nobody shows us the scan codes and whatever.
• 17:11
  And they did their own scan and their own stuff.
• 17:13
  A week goes by.
• 17:14
  You don't hear anything.
• 17:15
  It's like, what the hell is going on?
• 17:17
  Chrysler service is neither here nor there.
• 17:19
  I'm not gonna badmouth the dealership or anything like that.
• 17:21
  They've been good to us.
• 17:22
  But we were smart to buy the super extended max care 12
• 17:27
  year warranty on this thing.
• 17:28
  Because I knew going into this, it's not Chrysler's hybrid.
• 17:31
  It supposedly, allegedly is Ford's.
• 17:34
  It's not their transmission, you know, all this kind of stuff.
• 17:36
  So yaddy yaddy.
• 17:37
  I don't want to have to work on this, nor do I want to have to
• 17:40
  pay when something goes belly up.
• 17:41
  We finally get a phone call and the guy's like, Hey, been meaning to call
• 17:45
  you, put in a ticket to Chrysler.
• 17:47
  Star, which is the organization that does all the parts distribution,
• 17:50
  is sending a new transmission.
• 17:51
  And I'm like, what?
• 17:52
  So it's sort of like went in for a health check, had to amputate your arm.
• 17:56
  What the hell is happening here?
• 17:58
  So the guy's like, it's all just intertwined and we got
• 18:02
  to put a new tranny in it.
• 18:03
  Because the hybrid is in the transmission.
• 18:05
  A lot of people don't know that.
• 18:06
  So if your hybrid's going, your forward motion is going to go because
• 18:10
  it's all built into the trans.
• 18:11
  For those of you following at home, I believe this is Eric's
• 18:14
  15th transmission in this Pacifica.
• 18:16
  You're not far off.
• 18:18
  I think you get transmission bingo!
• 18:20
  To bring everybody up to speed, it is not the original trans.
• 18:23
  The first trans, the stock one, I don't know what happened to that because it
• 18:28
  went bonkers to the point where you would put it in drive and it would either
• 18:32
  decide to like lurch forward like the parking brake was stuck on or it would
• 18:37
  just go backwards at maximum speed.
• 18:38
  You had a hard time stopping because the brakes are electrically connected.
• 18:42
  It was a nightmare and we literally beached it on the side of the road and
• 18:46
  told AAA, or actually we called Chrysler, take this directly to the dealership.
• 18:50
  Not our problem.
• 18:50
  So they put a new trans in it then, but they put an updated transmission in it.
• 18:54
  So we're like, Oh, cool.
• 18:55
  This is going to be awesome.
• 18:57
  This thing is going to last forever between trans two and this one.
• 19:00
  It's only been a year and a half.
• 19:02
  She's only put maybe like 15, 000 miles on it, maybe a little bit more, 20 or so.
• 19:07
  So it hasn't been that long, right?
• 19:08
  We're like, Oh, this is nuts that they're telling us we need another transmission.
• 19:12
  Then two more weeks goes by.
• 19:14
  So the van is gone for three weeks.
• 19:17
  We were talking about time is money.
• 19:19
  Luckily she's driving my car and I'm driving my hoopty that, you
• 19:23
  know, sits for long periods of time.
• 19:24
  So we got an extra car.
• 19:25
  We're very fortunate in that respect.
• 19:27
  Not a lot of people are fortunate with that, but it's something to think about.
• 19:30
  You hear these.
• 19:30
  Horror stories about Teslas and accidents.
• 19:33
  And they're out for months and months at a time because the parts just aren't
• 19:36
  there and because chips, and in our case, the van was down for three weeks.
• 19:40
  The first time the trans went, it was down for a month.
• 19:43
  Again, no communication.
• 19:45
  Suddenly we get a call one day and it's like, van's ready to be picked up.
• 19:48
  Uh, okay.
• 19:49
  So we go through all that and we come home.
• 19:51
  And, but I'm reading the sheets.
• 19:53
  Not one sheet that says transmission replaced, did service check at
• 19:57
  80, 000 miles or whatever, right?
• 19:59
  No, it's pages of stuff.
• 20:01
  What I sort of discern from all this is, I think they pulled the trans.
• 20:06
  Because inside of this whole combuberation that they've created, there's some
• 20:11
  auxiliary water pumps and it was leaking.
• 20:14
  And I don't know if that interferes with the electronics.
• 20:16
  I'm sort of like trying to read between the lines.
• 20:17
  I'm trying to do some homework.
• 20:19
  And it's one of these deals that like a proper German car would be.
• 20:22
  You can only reach it.
• 20:23
  When the service position is engine out, they got to get the hybrid out.
• 20:27
  And I'm looking at the parts list and all this stuff.
• 20:28
  They changed.
• 20:29
  Luckily, we didn't have to pay a cent for it, but I asked the guy,
• 20:32
  I was like, how much would it have cost if I had to replace this thing?
• 20:35
  And here we are.
• 20:36
  We're back to that magic number, 11, 000.
• 20:40
  That's parts and labor, right?
• 20:41
  And I'm like, this is insane.
• 20:43
  So thank goodness we had the foresight to buy the extended warranty and they've been
• 20:49
  super awesome about covering everything and any problem we've ever had with it.
• 20:52
  To your joke from earlier, the Chrysler has been amazing.
• 20:55
  So I haven't been paid for anything.
• 20:56
  And it's actually been, except for this.
• 20:59
  Which I don't blame Chrysler for, because it's really not their hybrid.
• 21:03
  It's been trouble free, but the trouble it's had has been debilitating, right?
• 21:08
  So it's Sketch 22.
• 21:10
  Didn't it also brick itself in your garage at some point?
• 21:13
  That happened within the first month we got it.
• 21:16
  And what that was really all about was, we bought it as a 2019.
• 21:20
  It was an S model, de chromed, like all this kind of stuff, and
• 21:24
  a special paint color, whatever.
• 21:25
  Apparently it had been sitting on the lot.
• 21:28
  Where we got it from for like an extended period of time and they
• 21:32
  weren't running it or whatever.
• 21:33
  And I guess there was a drain on the main battery.
• 21:35
  Basically the main battery, the main 12 volt battery,
• 21:38
  like any car has shit the bed.
• 21:41
  It bricked itself because it wants to be an EV first.
• 21:44
  It wouldn't even try to kick over to gas, run the alternator or anything like that.
• 21:48
  We were stuck.
• 21:49
  So they came and hauled it.
• 21:50
  They replaced the battery for free and it's never been an issue.
• 21:53
  So I'm like, you know what?
• 21:54
  That happens on a regular car.
• 21:55
  Batteries go bad.
• 21:56
  They have bad cells, you know, summer to winter.
• 21:59
  I don't fault them for that either.
• 22:00
  It's like, man, you're going to replace the battery.
• 22:02
  Big deal.
• 22:03
  What was happening in those three weeks though, was a really big
• 22:07
  discussion between me and my wife.
• 22:08
  And it became a three week long.
• 22:10
  What should I buy?
• 22:11
  Because we said, and we asked Chrysler.
• 22:14
  How many more times is this going to happen?
• 22:16
  When does this become a lemon law problem?
• 22:18
  When do we get a new one?
• 22:19
  Or when do you buy it back from us and we get something else?
• 22:22
  And so we're sort of running those permutations going, if we got to
• 22:26
  get something else, what do we get?
• 22:27
  What is there to buy right now?
• 22:29
  What are our options?
• 22:30
  Are we screwed?
• 22:31
  I brought my wife into van life sort of kicking and screaming
• 22:34
  because she was a wagon girl.
• 22:35
  Before that, she had a hatchback and kind of this progression of
• 22:38
  the vehicles are getting larger, but basically the same thing.
• 22:41
  So now we're at van life.
• 22:42
  She loves the van.
• 22:43
  The sliding doors sell it, which is why I make jokes about kids and SUVs.
• 22:47
  It's like, dude, you don't understand how glorious sliding
• 22:50
  doors are until you have them.
• 22:51
  And the cargo space of a van is amazing.
• 22:53
  You just went through this, Brad.
• 22:55
  There's three options, right?
• 22:56
  At least for me, there was only one option.
• 22:59
  Yes, technically there are three options.
• 23:01
  There's the Honda Odyssey, which runs a traditional naturally aspirated V6.
• 23:06
  There's the Kia Carnival, which I don't know the powertrain, but I'm assuming
• 23:11
  it's a standard naturally aspirated V6.
• 23:13
  Then there's the Toyota, which in 2021 switched over to a hybrid.
• 23:19
  For me, we went with the Toyota, one, because of the hybrid, and
• 23:22
  two, because the backseat design in the Honda didn't leave enough room
• 23:27
  for us to put the car seats in.
• 23:29
  And have the seats go all the way back.
• 23:31
  My wife and I are very tall and we could not put the seats back to our comfortable
• 23:34
  position and have the car seats in.
• 23:36
  So we would have been in the same issue that we were in, in the Honda pilot.
• 23:39
  The backseat is just, it does not have enough room.
• 23:41
  The Toyota was, we didn't even consider the carnival for you.
• 23:45
  I think the Toyota is it.
• 23:46
  You're not going to get 50, but you're going to get over 30, 30, 35 or so.
• 23:51
  My brother in law with his Honda Odyssey does not get 30.
• 23:53
  Again, if we had the level two charger, do we wait for the ID buzz?
• 23:57
  The Volkswagen all electric van, which is bigger than I realized
• 24:01
  until I saw it at person.
• 24:02
  So I know my wife likes that.
• 24:04
  She thinks it's cute.
• 24:05
  Tanya's seen it in person as well.
• 24:06
  The inside is very well appointed.
• 24:08
  And then we're back in the Volkswagen family.
• 24:10
  I'm scared of that thing because I never want to be the first.
• 24:14
  One to buy the first new thing.
• 24:17
  It's sort of like software or a computer.
• 24:19
  It's like, we'll wait a generation or two until they figure it all out.
• 24:22
  You always wait for Windows service pack two.
• 24:25
  The other option that I threw on the table for her, because she's driving my
• 24:29
  Jeep every day, was what about the 4XE?
• 24:32
  The hybrid Jeep.
• 24:34
  I don't know whose hybrid that is.
• 24:36
  It's because that's a totally different layout.
• 24:38
  It's longitudinal.
• 24:40
  It's all wheel drive.
• 24:41
  It's not that borrowed Ford technology or whatever.
• 24:45
  Maybe it's Chrysler's own or they developed it alongside of Toyota
• 24:48
  because Toyota, a lot of people don't realize owns the patents for
• 24:52
  a lot of this hybrid technology.
• 24:53
  What they do is then they license it out to other manufacturers.
• 24:57
  But it's never the most current generation technology.
• 25:01
  It's always like a couple generations old.
• 25:03
  So you're getting the old software.
• 25:05
  You're getting Windows 7 and not Windows 11.
• 25:07
  You know what I mean?
• 25:07
  That was another option because those are getting in the 30s from what I understand.
• 25:12
  And then all wheel drive and all those kinds of things.
• 25:14
  Now the price tag on the Jeep is hefty.
• 25:16
  Don't get me wrong.
• 25:17
  You can get a wagon here.
• 25:18
  At a hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
• 25:20
  Yeah.
• 25:21
  You know, you guys should just get a Hummer.
• 25:23
  Well, just sell them your Cybertruck thing.
• 25:26
  Yeah, you guys can have my Cybertruck allotment.
• 25:28
  Yeah.
• 25:28
  The problem is I don't think the Cybertruck will fit in my garage.
• 25:31
  Although I know a Suburban will fit in my garage, but I don't
• 25:33
  think the Cybertruck will fit.
• 25:34
  You can't charge it yet.
• 25:35
  That's true.
• 25:36
  And I think the Hummer's too wide to fit in my garage.
• 25:40
  Yeah, but once you pull it in and then you crab walk it
• 25:43
  around so you can perpendicular.
• 25:45
  That also brought into question, do we get something older?
• 25:49
  Do I go look for another diesel Grand Cherokee?
• 25:51
  Do we go find an older Chevy Nomad, Chevy Nomad, or Jetta
• 25:56
  station wagon with the TDI?
• 25:57
  And I go back to diesel because you can still get diesel everywhere.
• 26:01
  Granted, it's 4 and something a gallon here on the East Coast, but diesels
• 26:05
  of diesels run for freaking ever.
• 26:07
  So it's like, okay, whatever.
• 26:09
  Like, what's the conclusion for that?
• 26:10
  Did we ever close out the conversation of true cost of ownership or did we just
• 26:15
  kind of leave that twisting in the wind?
• 26:17
  We don't know.
• 26:17
  We really don't.
• 26:19
  I think we do.
• 26:20
  It's called expensive.
• 26:23
  That's what it is.
• 26:25
  You need a side hustle just to pay for your EV.
• 26:29
  You know, it's starting to look that way.
• 26:30
  It really, really is.
• 26:32
  Just like any car purchase, unless you absolutely need a new car, it's not
• 26:38
  financially advantageous to change from what you already have unless it doesn't
• 26:43
  run or it was in an accident and doesn't run or you have disposable income and no
• 26:49
  bigs if you go change to a 60, 000 car.
• 26:52
  But if your car If you already have one and the mileage is reasonable, even if it
• 26:56
  needs whatever service interval major work done to it, it's not going to be 60, 000.
• 27:04
  And I think where people misconstrued the whole mathematics is replacing the engine
• 27:09
  is a quarter of the value of the car, you know, the car's 20 years old or whatever.
• 27:14
  But you don't think about it that way.
• 27:15
  Think about how much the car is costing you over the long term.
• 27:20
  And if the car has been trouble free for a really long time, it owes you nothing.
• 27:25
  It is more than paid for itself.
• 27:26
  It's paid off.
• 27:27
  I mean, unless you bought like that lady did, what was it?
• 27:29
  That.
• 27:29
  Ford Escort ZX2 and there's somebody else who just bought a
• 27:33
  Camry and they have like a 72 month loan at 630 a month or something.
• 27:38
  Poor person.
• 27:38
  Oh my God.
• 27:39
  But the point is, the longer you keep your car, if it is relatively trouble free and
• 27:44
  you keep up with the maintenance that's required and you can do maybe some of it
• 27:48
  yourself, that car will pay you dividends.
• 27:51
  Even if the motor transmission blows up, you're like, man, I get another motor
• 27:54
  for 500 bucks, throw it in there and go another 150, 000 miles, you know,
• 27:58
  like who cares versus that car note.
• 28:00
  Yeah.
• 28:00
  And people also are in a very bad habit.
• 28:03
  Listen, cars of today are not the cars of the seventies and eighties.
• 28:07
  That a hundred thousand mile mark is not a death sentence.
• 28:11
  It's not the nail in the coffin.
• 28:13
  Oh my God, I've got to get rid of this car.
• 28:14
  Tanya, how many miles are on your diesel right now?
• 28:17
  183, 000.
• 28:18
  I had a diesel that had, when I had it, it had turned over 300, 000 miles.
• 28:23
  And to this day, I believe the person I sold it to is still driving it up and down
• 28:27
  the East coast to different track events.
• 28:28
  And granted, those are two examples of diesels.
• 28:31
  My station wagon is a VR six.
• 28:33
  I got 226, 000 miles on it.
• 28:35
  It still runs.
• 28:36
  I've got 130, 000 miles on my R.
• 28:38
  100, 000 miles is not a death sentence.
• 28:40
  100, 000 miles is usually a turning point for inexpensive maintenance, a timing
• 28:46
  belt, a timing chain, things like that.
• 28:49
  But as long as you kept up with the regular maintenance of the
• 28:51
  vehicle, it's probably been trouble free up to that point.
• 28:54
  You do that.
• 28:54
  Do you put.
• 28:55
  A couple hundred dollars to maybe a couple thousand, depending on the car.
• 28:59
  And you should get another a hundred, 150, 200, 000 miles out of it.
• 29:02
  Again, as long as you keep up with the maintenance, just because your vehicle
• 29:05
  has a hundred thousand miles on it does not mean you need to run out.
• 29:08
  And as Tanya said, spend 60, 000 on something new, which is close to like
• 29:14
  the average price of new vehicles, especially these days, shit is expensive.
• 29:18
  It's wild.
• 29:19
  What vehicles cost right now.
• 29:20
  I have never advocated for this in the past, but I can see the value in it
• 29:25
  today because of the expense of the cars.
• 29:27
  If you're the type of person that likes having a new car a lot,
• 29:32
  or you're like, you know what?
• 29:33
  Do that a hundred thousand miles.
• 29:35
  I'm not really interested.
• 29:36
  You know, blah, blah, blah.
• 29:37
  And keeping it all that kind of stuff, lease the car.
• 29:39
  And here's why.
• 29:40
  And again, I would, I don't usually condone this.
• 29:42
  But it makes sense with these EVs or these spaceships where it's like, you know what?
• 29:47
  I had it for three years.
• 29:48
  I had fun.
• 29:48
  I'm going to get another one for three years and another one for three years.
• 29:51
  Because if you sort of amortize that because of how expensive they are, you'll
• 29:56
  pay the 60 grand over 10 years or whatever it is, but you've had three or four cars.
• 30:01
  In that span of 10 years that have always been kind of fresh and kind of new.
• 30:05
  And now there's somebody else's problem.
• 30:07
  Two questions about leasing though.
• 30:08
  One, if you lease a new EV, do you still get the federal tax credit?
• 30:14
  I don't think so.
• 30:14
  Do manufacturers like Tesla even have leasing programs?
• 30:18
  I don't think Tesla does.
• 30:20
  I mean, I know Ford and like all the, all the traditional ones.
• 30:23
  Yeah, but if people are buying Teslas and Rivians, I mean, if they don't have
• 30:26
  a leasing option, then you're screwed.
• 30:28
  Yeah, for sure.
• 30:29
  If you're buying a Tesla or Rivian, you've got money.
• 30:32
  Maybe.
• 30:33
  Or you're just in debt up to your eyeballs, like you said before, Brad.
• 30:36
  So there's a lot of really interesting.
• 30:39
  Permutations to sit and calculate.
• 30:41
  Now it used to be really straightforward.
• 30:43
  You're like, I got 30, 000 to spend.
• 30:45
  What can I buy for 30 grand?
• 30:47
  I'm going to go to the, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 30:48
  But now there's so many different types of cars, power plants, drive trains.
• 30:54
  What can I buy for 30, 000?
• 30:56
  Next to nothing, unless you want like a base model Corolla, it's really hard.
• 31:01
  And that's where, again, I go back to that squishy center of the population,
• 31:05
  the gooey marshmallow between the graham crackers and the schmores
• 31:08
  that makes up the middle class.
• 31:10
  And it's like, this cannot sustain longterm.
• 31:13
  This is not tenable.
• 31:15
  Between what we were talking about, upgrading the infrastructure in your
• 31:18
  house, the power grid, the cost of cars, it's just coming to a head in
• 31:22
  a really, really interesting way.
• 31:24
  So to answer your bigger question about where does this leave us
• 31:28
  with total cost of ownership?
• 31:29
  I don't have an answer yet, and I'm not at the end of this journey,
• 31:32
  and I won't be surprised going back to the earlier conversation.
• 31:36
  If the utility company comes back to me, says, remember what we said, 11.
• 31:39
  Well, we really met 17 and at that point, I'm checked out.
• 31:43
  We really meant 111.
• 31:44
  I'm not calling it a bait and switch or anything like that.
• 31:46
  It's just the realism of the situation and all the different
• 31:50
  moving parts that are involved.
• 31:52
  It's not just, Ooh, I'm going to buy a Tesla today.
• 31:55
  You know, it's not that simple.
• 31:56
  Not anymore, but that actually leads us.
• 31:59
  Into our very first article.
• 32:01
  And so where I'm going with this whole discussion and Tanya brings this to
• 32:05
  the table and answer to my question.
• 32:06
  What do we buy future electric vehicles, EVs that you'll soon be able to buy.
• 32:12
  So within this year, talking about new cars in 2024, what do we think?
• 32:17
  Tanya, do you have any thoughts on what Eric should buy for Jess?
• 32:20
  It's Jess's car.
• 32:21
  You have thoughts.
• 32:22
  I know you do.
• 32:22
  What do you think she should buy?
• 32:23
  I have no idea.
• 32:25
  I know what I would buy off of this list, though.
• 32:27
  The second car on the list?
• 32:28
  Hell yeah!
• 32:30
  The Alfa Romeo?
• 32:30
  The Toyota Sienna?
• 32:31
  No, it's the Alfa Romeo Giulia EV.
• 32:34
  Dude, that is just Oh, you're looking at the, uh, no.
• 32:37
  That's awesome.
• 32:37
  Come on, I thought Alfa was gone.
• 32:39
  Now they're teasing us with this?
• 32:41
  But we're gonna get an Alpha Julia EV, that's gonna be faster than
• 32:45
  the Quadrifoglio, I guarantee it.
• 32:46
  Well, until the battery dies.
• 32:48
  And the upside is, it doesn't look like it came out of the Jetsons.
• 32:52
  It looks like a regular Julia Q4.
• 32:54
  Don't Alphas have electronics problems to begin with?
• 32:57
  And then they're doubling down with the EV.
• 32:59
  Only in Formula One they have those problems.
• 33:01
  Shush, shush you.
• 33:02
  No, no.
• 33:03
  People can't even get in and out of their driveways because the
• 33:06
  car bricks itself trying to get in when it goes to a certain angle.
• 33:09
  People, driveways are a little steep.
• 33:11
  It is a Stellantis product.
• 33:12
  It would be like a Range Rover EV.
• 33:14
  Yeah, well there is a Bentley on this list.
• 33:16
  The rest of this list is interesting cars that we've actually talked
• 33:19
  about throughout the year, the BMW 3 Series EV concept, a bunch of other
• 33:23
  BMWs on here, the Buick Electra, which they teased a while back.
• 33:27
  The Chevy Bolt.
• 33:28
  I thought that went away.
• 33:29
  Or was it the Volt?
• 33:30
  Dude, that is such a hokey pokey.
• 33:32
  It's coming back in 2025.
• 33:34
  Apparently.
• 33:35
  So Eric would get the second car.
• 33:37
  Hell yeah.
• 33:38
  Before I can make an informed decision based on the cars on this list, how
• 33:42
  close were the girls to Being out of car seats, my youngest is almost out of her
• 33:48
  booster and my eldest is completely out.
• 33:50
  And then why not?
• 33:51
  The A6 e tron dude, that thing is sexy.
• 33:53
  Yes.
• 33:54
  The Audi electric cars are whatever.
• 33:58
  Eric's about to spend 25 million to upgrade his panel.
• 34:03
  I mean, what's another.
• 34:04
  Yeah, right.
• 34:04
  100, 000 for an EV.
• 34:06
  I love that there's three Fiskars on this list and they can't even
• 34:10
  fix the ocean, but they're going to introduce three more cars.
• 34:13
  I'm like, nope, hard pass.
• 34:15
  I didn't even know Fisker was still a company.
• 34:16
  But there's a lot of stuff.
• 34:17
  The Honda Prologue is on here, which we've talked about.
• 34:21
  The Honda Saloon actually looks like the Wraith.
• 34:23
  Yeah, it does.
• 34:24
  And there's the new Ioniq 7 and the Ioniq 9, which we'll talk about
• 34:28
  a little bit more as we go along.
• 34:30
  Then there's all the N versions of the 5.
• 34:32
  Yeah.
• 34:33
  What about this Lexus EV supercar?
• 34:35
  That is interesting looking.
• 34:37
  Why do they always have to throw out rappers and shit when
• 34:40
  they talk about the Escalade?
• 34:41
  It's popular with 70 year old white women too.
• 34:44
  Why not talk about them?
• 34:46
  There's a lot of Cadillacs on this list talking about the elderly people.
• 34:49
  Yeah, I do like the Celestique.
• 34:51
  I think we talked about it because it looks very, very French.
• 34:55
  It looks very Citroen.
• 34:56
  I really like the lucid gravity.
• 34:58
  Did you guys see this thing?
• 34:59
  Yeah.
• 35:00
  Looking for it.
• 35:00
  I didn't know that they were going to make an SUV.
• 35:03
  This thing looks cool.
• 35:04
  I like the canoe pickup truck.
• 35:06
  Yes.
• 35:08
  That thing is freaking brutal looking.
• 35:10
  Guess what?
• 35:11
  There's a Mercedes Benz EQG, and it looks like every other G Wagon they've
• 35:16
  been making for a hundred years.
• 35:17
  And I'm okay with that.
• 35:18
  I'm okay with that.
• 35:21
  God, these Mini Coopers are huge.
• 35:23
  By the way, did you guys see the Rivians, the R3 and the R3X?
• 35:27
  The electric Fiat Panda looking things?
• 35:29
  Those things look pretty cool.
• 35:30
  But what's really interesting about this list, then there's like 30 cars on here.
• 35:34
  The Toyota Tacoma.
• 35:36
  EV now it looks like a regular taco, like anything else.
• 35:39
  And they got rid of the grill and all that.
• 35:40
  But again, we talked about Toyota, not really playing in the pool with
• 35:45
  everybody else and here they are.
• 35:47
  Here's another one we didn't know about.
• 35:49
  And if they're really going to come to the table in 2026 with a taco EV, maybe
• 35:53
  they are pulling back hard on what they said before they're testing the waters.
• 35:58
  They're big enough where they can test the waters of vehicles
• 36:00
  and not go completely all in.
• 36:02
  Do you never go full Tesla?
• 36:05
  Look how it worked out for Polestar.
• 36:06
  Well, before we switch into some Volkswagen, Porsche and Audi news, we
• 36:12
  have some sad news to report, right Tanya?
• 36:14
  Earlier this month, we lost a legend in the automotive design
• 36:18
  industry of Italian fame, Marcello Gandini, who died at the age of 85.
• 36:23
  He is known, or he is responsible for a few cars you might've heard of.
• 36:28
  The Lamborghini Diablo, the Lancia Stratos, the Mark I Polo, you
• 36:32
  know, a couple things like that.
• 36:33
  He was part of the Bertone company.
• 36:36
  Yeah, he designed some really ugly cars.
• 36:37
  I mean, this guy.
• 36:38
  Really ugly.
• 36:39
  Yeah.
• 36:41
  No, all kidding aside, a legend in the automotive design world has left us.
• 36:45
  And he lived a good long life.
• 36:48
  He designed some really, really cool cars.
• 36:50
  And the ones that you mentioned are just a few in his portfolio.
• 36:53
  Maybe not as epic as Giugiaro.
• 36:55
  But Gandini will definitely be missed.
• 36:57
  But I'm really curious to see what comes next though, right?
• 37:01
  And what comes next is Volkswagen is making a stripped down, beefed up version
• 37:06
  of the Polo available only for farmers.
• 37:09
  Not farmers only.
• 37:10
  Don't be confused.
• 37:11
  They're just making it for farmers.
• 37:13
  Oh, this isn't farmer needs a wife.
• 37:15
  Sorry.
• 37:15
  No, no, no.
• 37:16
  Farmer needs a BW Polo.
• 37:17
  Apparently.
• 37:18
  Sorry.
• 37:19
  Haha.
• 37:19
  Why is this a farm vehicle?
• 37:21
  I don't get it.
• 37:22
  The same reason the smart car was turned into a, a vineyard runabout.
• 37:26
  Yeah, but that makes sense because it's basically a glorified golf
• 37:29
  cart, but a VW Polo, like really?
• 37:32
  I mean, I guess they're trying to be like, be a panda.
• 37:35
  Okay.
• 37:35
  First of all, it's as big as a Mark 4 GTI was 20 years ago.
• 37:39
  So it's not a small car.
• 37:40
  Let me throw some specs at you.
• 37:42
  One liter.
• 37:43
  One liter.
• 37:44
  Normally aspirated three cylinder making 84 horsepower and 75 pound feet
• 37:51
  of torque with a five speed manual.
• 37:53
  Well, it doesn't need to be fast.
• 37:55
  Here's where the article is misleading.
• 37:58
  Okay.
• 37:59
  They call it the Polo Robust.
• 38:02
  That ain't robust.
• 38:03
  There's nothing robust about this.
• 38:05
  How much does this thing weigh?
• 38:07
  73, 000 tons because it's German.
• 38:10
  Oh my god, I would smoke it.
• 38:12
  On foot.
• 38:12
  Would smoke it in my Audi.
• 38:16
  I'll never forget driving my grandfather's Alto Bianchi YDH, which is the Y10.
• 38:21
  It was a one liter engine, four cylinder, five speed manual.
• 38:26
  The whole car weighed like 900 kilos.
• 38:29
  I mean, it was like a shopping cart with two seats in it, right?
• 38:31
  Even that if you wanted to pass somebody, it took like a half a mile
• 38:36
  of preparation and wringing its neck at 9, 000 RPM to get the stupid thing
• 38:41
  to move to like 60 kilometers an hour.
• 38:43
  It was insanely slow.
• 38:45
  So I can't imagine a 3, 200 pound VW Polo with a normally aspirated
• 38:51
  one liter, not even a diesel petrol.
• 38:54
  There are probably mark one rabbit diesels that are faster than this.
• 38:59
  Seems sad.
• 39:00
  Volkswagen has lost their minds.
• 39:03
  This should just be a street car, but with more power.
• 39:06
  With a big turbo, like a Yaris.
• 39:08
  That's also a three cylinder, but it's got a turbo.
• 39:12
  Big turbo.
• 39:13
  Big snail under the hood is what this thing needs.
• 39:15
  Well, you know what Volkswagen would do though?
• 39:16
  Nah, they're gonna go, Oh, I know the solution.
• 39:20
  We'll put a supercharger on it and call it a G40 like they did 20 years
• 39:25
  ago because they did have that for the Polos and it's going to be pathetic and
• 39:28
  it'll blow up and nobody will want it.
• 39:30
  Bad, bad ideas, bad ideas.
• 39:33
  My reaction to this next article was, well, at least they're not
• 39:36
  stuck on a carrier ship sinking in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
• 39:40
  I mean, this is rich people things.
• 39:41
  Right?
• 39:42
  He's trying to sell the car carrier with the six Porsches.
• 39:45
  Headline reads, there's a truck full of Porsches that
• 39:48
  a dealership just can't sell.
• 39:51
  This is like, what, two million dollar package to buy this?
• 39:54
  Each one of these 911s has got to be 300 grand.
• 39:57
  It's the package.
• 39:58
  It's the six exclusive Porsches and the truck.
• 40:01
  He's trying to sell them like a Hot Wheels collection.
• 40:03
  Yes!
• 40:04
  It's the car hauler with six 911s!
• 40:07
  And they're different 911s, although that top row, they look oddly similar.
• 40:11
  This is some Austrian rich people stuff.
• 40:14
  The collection includes a 2018 911.
• 40:17
  2 GT3 Club Sport, 2016 911 R, A 2018 911.
• 40:23
  2 GT3 Touring, 2019 Wysock, a 2018 911.
• 40:28
  2 GT3 Cup, and a 2018 991 GT3 R Carbon.
• 40:33
  Apparently he was going to take them to Goodwood to celebrate
• 40:37
  Porsche's 70th anniversary.
• 40:38
  So he's been sitting on these cars for six, seven years.
• 40:42
  And the truck, let's not forget, which is a man.
• 40:45
  TGX.
• 40:46
  Good luck, man.
• 40:47
  There's no way he's going to sell all these.
• 40:49
  He's got to break this up.
• 40:50
  He would make more money breaking it up, given the portions
• 40:53
  that are in this collection.
• 40:55
  Who's he going to sell it to?
• 40:56
  He's only going to sell it to some celebrity who's got millions of
• 40:59
  dollars or something like that.
• 41:00
  Or I don't know, some sort of king.
• 41:02
  The Sultan of Oman or something, you know, whatever.
• 41:04
  I mean the picture right underneath the little wooden Porsche.
• 41:08
  It's cute.
• 41:08
  Hauler with the, the cock, you know, even that is probably out of price range.
• 41:13
  To me, the cars don't even make sense together.
• 41:16
  There's no cohesiveness between the colors or theme.
• 41:20
  Like if they were all white, the truck's white or all black.
• 41:23
  It seems kind of cool to me, but it just seems like a weird
• 41:26
  buffet of Porsche goodness.
• 41:29
  It's literally the Hot Wheels grab bin of whatever 911s were available at that time.
• 41:34
  That's all.
• 41:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:35
  And why was he going to take them to Goodwood?
• 41:37
  Does he work directly for Porsche?
• 41:40
  No.
• 41:40
  He's just a dealer.
• 41:41
  It's time we go to Lower Saxony, talk a little bit about Mercedes.
• 41:46
  Oh my god, we have Mercedes news.
• 41:48
  Yes, they still make cars.
• 41:49
  And every once in a while, they make something that
• 41:52
  definitely gets my attention.
• 41:53
  I don't like the back though.
• 41:55
  What?
• 41:57
  This is hot.
• 41:58
  This is the scaled down version of the GT three.
• 42:01
  It's all good until you get to the back.
• 42:03
  And then you're like, what are these mom jeans with the 15 feet of like ass cheek?
• 42:09
  Okay.
• 42:10
  It's in a terrible color.
• 42:11
  A lot of people like yellow.
• 42:12
  That's fine.
• 42:13
  I'm not a big fan of yellow cars.
• 42:15
  Imagine it in dark gray or in black.
• 42:17
  And maybe the color would help, but there's just something about
• 42:20
  the other AMGs with the haunches.
• 42:24
  I don't know.
• 42:24
  It's like this swooping rear and maybe it's the angle and the color.
• 42:30
  This thing's got hips.
• 42:31
  You can't see them in this color, I guess.
• 42:33
  No, you can't, but it's definitely got wide hips.
• 42:36
  Now, what are we talking about?
• 42:38
  We are talking about the new 2025 AMG GT 43.
• 42:43
  And it's real drive.
• 42:45
  It's like the AMG version of the A class, except the A class is front
• 42:49
  wheel drive and a turbo four cylinder, two liters, something like that.
• 42:52
  This is.
• 42:53
  Still a four banger, rear wheel drive, but it makes 416 horsepower.
• 42:58
  Still a lot of a two liter.
• 42:59
  I wonder what it sounds like though.
• 43:01
  Cause AMGs have that guttural earth shaking.
• 43:04
  It better sound amazing.
• 43:06
  It'll sound like half that.
• 43:07
  It'll sound like that, but it'll be two octaves up.
• 43:09
  Just better not sound like a Honda with a fart can.
• 43:11
  I'm not impressed.
• 43:12
  What?
• 43:12
  Ah, I guess maybe I'm a fan of the 928.
• 43:15
  So I like stuff like this.
• 43:16
  The 928?
• 43:19
  What did the 928 have?
• 43:20
  The V8.
• 43:21
  Ding, ding, ding.
• 43:22
  You lost me.
• 43:23
  I'm okay with turbo fours.
• 43:25
  Not for a hundred grand.
• 43:26
  There it is.
• 43:27
  There's the problem with this.
• 43:29
  I would pay 45 to 50 grand for this car.
• 43:31
  There you go.
• 43:32
  Thank you.
• 43:32
  I'm not paying a hundred thousand dollars for this fucking thing.
• 43:34
  Yes, the price is the problem.
• 43:36
  A hundred thousand dollars for a four cylinder AMG when you could
• 43:39
  go buy a turbo civic for 45.
• 43:42
  That's a hard conversation.
• 43:43
  This is, this is in a completely different league than a civic.
• 43:47
  Oh, let's not get it twisted, but still something just irks me about
• 43:52
  paying 100, 000 plus for a two liter instead of the Honda civic, you could
• 43:59
  get a Volkswagen, which I think would be in a closer league luxury wise.
• 44:02
  You get a Golf R with similar to more horsepower and you put.
• 44:06
  500 into it or 1, 000 to a chip.
• 44:09
  1, 100.
• 44:10
  Yeah.
• 44:10
  1, 100.
• 44:11
  And then you're making 600.
• 44:13
  How, how much torque did Bruce get out of his car?
• 44:15
  It was 460 some odd torque.
• 44:18
  Yeah.
• 44:18
  And that, that wasn't even an R.
• 44:19
  So like you said, you love V8s and for a hundred thousand dollars,
• 44:23
  Tanya, what else could Brad get?
• 44:25
  Mustang.
• 44:26
  You could get the Jeep Wrangler V8 final edition.
• 44:32
  For only 101, 890.
• 44:34
  Finally.
• 44:35
  Atlantis money.
• 44:36
  Woo!
• 44:37
  It does come with a 392, 470 horsepower, 6.
• 44:40
  4 liter V8 engine.
• 44:42
  Standard.
• 44:43
  Zero to 60 in a Wrangler in four seconds, brah.
• 44:46
  But it gets 13 miles to the gallon.
• 44:48
  I mean, who cares about gas mileage these days?
• 44:50
  If you had 100, 000, which would you buy?
• 44:54
  Oh, I'd buy the Benz.
• 44:55
  If I had 100, 000, I'd buy a used 911.
• 44:58
  Or an Audi R8 or like a Nissan GTR or something like that.
• 45:01
  I mean, he has a point.
• 45:02
  No, actually, I would buy a CLK AMG Black Series.
• 45:06
  But you'd have the coolest sort of Hellcat Jeep Wrangler to take to the mall.
• 45:11
  Or I would have the coolest blacked out Mercedes to take to the mall.
• 45:16
  100, 000 and you can get you the correct Mercedes.
• 45:19
  100, 000 get you a four cylinder Mercedes.
• 45:24
  How fucked up is that?
• 45:26
  Well, let's Let's continue our domestic news brought to us by AmericanMuscle.
• 45:32
  com, your source for OEM performance and replacement parts for your
• 45:35
  Ford, Chevy, or Stellantis vehicle.
• 45:38
  So going back to our Chevy Bolt B.
• 45:42
  Is that the Colt?
• 45:43
  Oh, they need to bring that back.
• 45:44
  Or Colt.
• 45:47
  Colt?
• 45:47
  Or Colt?
• 45:47
  The Colt is the square body, people, but that's another episode to itself.
• 45:52
  And then the Colt is a Tesla thing.
• 45:54
  We'll So this guy who purchased his new back then 2018 Chevy Bolt Ev
• 46:02
  has now amassed 240,000 miles Wow.
• 46:08
  On that little grocery gutter.
• 46:09
  And the only thing he's done, he says, is the battery was replaced under a safety
• 46:14
  recall at 150,000, but no other problems.
• 46:18
  Besides, like, brake maintenance.
• 46:20
  That's impressive!
• 46:21
  Good job, Chevy!
• 46:23
  I mean, you got a ways to go with your diesel, apparently.
• 46:26
  Well, I gotta say this, and the Green Grand Prix is coming up again this year,
• 46:31
  and plan on being there, live streaming and doing some other stuff, but I was
• 46:35
  really impressed by the Chevy Bolts.
• 46:37
  Regardless of stock or modified like they had at the Green Grand Prix, especially
• 46:42
  during the autocross, if you go back and look at the live stream that we did,
• 46:45
  they were quick and they handled well.
• 46:47
  And everybody kept saying like how fun they were to drive.
• 46:49
  And I'm like, Chevy Volt, are you, are we talking about the same car?
• 46:53
  And these guys, man, they were hooning it up with these Chevy Volts and they
• 46:56
  were loving them and they couldn't say enough good things about them.
• 46:58
  And I'm like, man, like, what am I missing here?
• 47:01
  Absolutely nothing.
• 47:02
  They're trying to convince themselves that they have a good car.
• 47:05
  I mean, it's not a Prius, right?
• 47:06
  I mean that you know what you're getting there, which I have
• 47:09
  seen a Prius at a track event.
• 47:11
  I have two.
• 47:11
  They're not allowed anymore, though, from what I understand.
• 47:14
  Certain tracks, at least.
• 47:15
  According to a track test by Jeremy Clarkson, a BMW E46 M3 is more fuel
• 47:20
  efficient than a Prius to get the same track time at the same speed too.
• 47:24
  Speaking of that tangent, I don't blame them for banning the EVs.
• 47:29
  at track day events.
• 47:30
  Because you have one catch on fire, and then 1900 years later, when they put it
• 47:35
  out, everyone's track day has been ruined.
• 47:38
  And what damage does it do to the asphalt, the surface, you know, wherever
• 47:41
  it's parked, when that thing melts down and just goes full scorched earth?
• 47:45
  Well, This next one, I am still scratching my head.
• 47:49
  This was, I think, a concept a couple years ago, but it's like back,
• 47:53
  they're still doing something with it.
• 47:55
  What is this Buick?
• 47:57
  It looks like something from that show Viper.
• 48:00
  Yes, which I love.
• 48:01
  Was this generated by like Mid Journey or one of the other AI programs?
• 48:06
  Because it's almost Forza quality supercar that we're looking at here.
• 48:10
  And I don't associate Buick.
• 48:12
  With something like this and especially the name that they chose
• 48:16
  the wildcat, which as we know, Tanya, our cousin's dad had a wildcat and
• 48:22
  that thing was 11 million feet long.
• 48:25
  It was like the biggest car to this day that I've ever seen.
• 48:28
  I mean, it was literal land yacht.
• 48:31
  So to call this the wildcat, I'm going to get it because it's like
• 48:33
  a fun name and it's aggressive.
• 48:35
  If I think about the original one, I'm not the red car.
• 48:38
  Yes.
• 48:38
  Oh my god, I didn't know that.
• 48:40
  Okay.
• 48:40
  Yeah, it's a Buick Wildcat 2 door.
• 48:41
  Am I the only person in the world right now that is surprised
• 48:47
  that Buick still exists?
• 48:48
  Not your grandparents car company anymore.
• 48:51
  They say it's because of the Chinese market.
• 48:53
  They really, really like Buicks for some reason.
• 48:56
  I don't get it.
• 48:57
  American weirdos.
• 48:58
  Yeah, right?
• 48:59
  I'm just, I don't understand it.
• 49:00
  But, I saw another Buick the other day and I don't remember the name of it.
• 49:05
  And I thought it was a Polestar.
• 49:07
  It had the same sort of shape and same sort of look to it.
• 49:09
  And Buick has also revamped their logo.
• 49:12
  So it just has those three like downward facing pennants instead
• 49:16
  of the ring and all this stuff.
• 49:17
  And they silently changed that like the Camaro logo now.
• 49:21
  Yeah, exactly.
• 49:22
  And so we actually kind of were buzzing through traffic to see this
• 49:25
  car because I was like, what is this?
• 49:27
  And I'm asking my wife and she's like, I don't know.
• 49:29
  I don't know.
• 49:29
  And we finally got close enough to it and we're like, Oh my god, that's a Buick?
• 49:34
  I feel like Buick is silently changing their cars over.
• 49:38
  Maybe they'll make something that we're more excited about, or because
• 49:41
  we're getting older, they're building stuff that appeals to us as old people.
• 49:47
  So when do we see a new Grand National?
• 49:51
  Right?
• 49:52
  Let's switch to Asian domestic news and talk a little bit about Kia and
• 49:57
  Hyundai and some other manufacturers here that we alluded to earlier.
• 50:00
  What's going on in Korea, Tanya?
• 50:03
  So apparently Kia is winning in the affordable mass market EV category.
• 50:09
  Duh, they're winning in the affordable ICE category too.
• 50:12
  Yeah, I don't know what they're comparing to.
• 50:15
  They only mentioned the Kia EV3, so I don't know what they're saying.
• 50:19
  Second one is, which is weird though because I guess they're comparing
• 50:23
  it to EVs that don't even exist yet because the R3 aren't even out yet.
• 50:27
  So cool.
• 50:28
  You're winning in a category that you're only in.
• 50:32
  Like Toyota Lama.
• 50:34
  The important part about this article has nothing to do with Kia.
• 50:39
  It's zooming in laser focused, hypersensitive.
• 50:43
  On what?
• 50:44
  To the Rivian R3X.
• 50:47
  Tell me that's not a Lancia Delta or a Golf GTI Mark II silhouette.
• 50:53
  Some people think it looks like an AMC Gremlin.
• 50:56
  If you're listening, you need your eyes checked.
• 50:58
  It looks like anything designed by Giugiaro from back then.
• 51:02
  The Golf.
• 51:02
  The Panda.
• 51:03
  Just the way the back door is cut, the back glass, the B pillar.
• 51:07
  If you take the Mark II Rally Golf Oh, it's a carbon copy.
• 51:12
  Just put a roof rack on this thing.
• 51:14
  It is so cool.
• 51:15
  Like, this is the coolest new EV I've seen in a while.
• 51:18
  Like, if this is gonna be for real, and I like the little hippo nostrils front
• 51:23
  end that the Rivian has, that's neat.
• 51:25
  The problem is that's never gonna come here.
• 51:27
  That's going to be for the European market because that appeals to all the launch a
• 51:31
  Delta lovers and the Volkswagen people and the Renault Clio folks out in the world.
• 51:35
  But man, that's what I'm excited about.
• 51:38
  Well, they're saying 2027.
• 51:40
  How absurd is it that they're winning the most affordable EV 54
• 51:46
  nine base price for an EV nine.
• 51:49
  The EV9's big though.
• 51:50
  That's a sedan.
• 51:51
  But the EV9 was their big SUV.
• 51:53
  Oh, is it the SUV?
• 51:54
  What's the cheapest electric, like all electric vehicle out right now?
• 51:57
  The Chevy Bolt.
• 51:58
  It's like twenties, I think.
• 52:00
  Twenties?
• 52:01
  Well, I don't know what the new one will be because they
• 52:04
  stopped making it, I thought.
• 52:06
  Nope, it's back.
• 52:06
  You can pick up the used ones.
• 52:08
  You can pick them up with real low mileage for in the twenties.
• 52:11
  Yeah, but that's.
• 52:12
  But I think even new, they weren't anything over.
• 52:15
  I don't think 30.
• 52:16
  The Volt is a plug in hybrid.
• 52:17
  No, no, but the Bolt, the B.
• 52:19
  Oh, Bolt.
• 52:20
  You're saying Bolt.
• 52:21
  Oh, the one that's the size of an Air Force One Nike.
• 52:23
  Yeah, your left shoe.
• 52:25
  Okay.
• 52:26
  Okay.
• 52:26
  So that's more reasonable, but just, I'm just flabbergasted
• 52:30
  by the cost of brand new cars.
• 52:32
  You can get a 2023 Chevy Bolt EV.
• 52:34
  I think they stopped.
• 52:35
  So I don't think there's a 2024.
• 52:37
  No, there isn't.
• 52:38
  26 5.
• 52:39
  Why aren't they on this list for winning?
• 52:42
  Because they have the most affordable.
• 52:43
  It probably has to do with number that are being sold too.
• 52:46
  Which doesn't make sense because I don't know why they're listing
• 52:49
  the EV9 because the R3, the Rivian, allegedly is going to be 35, 000.
• 52:55
  That's a good deal!
• 52:56
  Oh, like the Tesla Model 3.
• 52:58
  Allegedly.
• 52:58
  So we'll see what actually happens.
• 53:00
  This R3X is cool.
• 53:02
  I'm sorry, this is so cool.
• 53:04
  It is.
• 53:05
  We have another article in the show notes that has more pictures of it.
• 53:08
  This thing is cool.
• 53:09
  The interior is cool.
• 53:10
  Everything about this is cool.
• 53:12
  Got a nice silhouette.
• 53:13
  Yeah, it really does.
• 53:14
  Well, continuing to talk about the Koreans.
• 53:17
  We talked about the EB 9 being the biggest one in the fleet.
• 53:19
  As we know, Hyundai is the parent company of Kia and also of
• 53:23
  Genesis and a lot of other brands.
• 53:25
  It's not a stretch of the imagination to say that just like Audis and Volkswagens
• 53:30
  are based on one another, there's Hyundais and Kias that are based on one another.
• 53:33
  So Hyundai is rolling out the IONIQ 9.
• 53:36
  It's big, it's bold, and it's green, but I don't like it.
• 53:40
  Uh, it doesn't have a nice profile.
• 53:42
  Not at all.
• 53:45
  It's very square, unless you're looking at the windshield.
• 53:49
  The windshield is at like a 60 degree angle, and then the rest of
• 53:53
  it looks very square but roundish.
• 53:55
  Square but round.
• 53:57
  Tell me I'm wrong.
• 53:58
  It's very rectangular.
• 53:59
  It's rectangular round.
• 54:01
  And I will submit Exhibit A, the fenders.
• 54:03
  Oh yeah.
• 54:04
  Look at these fenders.
• 54:05
  They're round and then just cut straight.
• 54:08
  know what that is.
• 54:09
  That's, I don't like it.
• 54:10
  The front end too.
• 54:11
  The front end is very perpendicular to the ground and then like slight
• 54:15
  curve and then parallel to the ground.
• 54:17
  You put a level on it, it's going to be level.
• 54:18
  Why do the fenders of the Ioniq 9 and 7 have LEDs in them?
• 54:23
  What is the purpose?
• 54:24
  Federal mandate.
• 54:25
  Look hella cool.
• 54:26
  The same reason the Ferrari 360s have to have those stupid side markers in the U.
• 54:31
  S.
• 54:31
  Yeah, I was gonna say, it's no different than a side marker that
• 54:33
  just moved it 8 inches forward.
• 54:35
  Why is it so fugly though?
• 54:37
  Well Because it's Hyundai.
• 54:38
  You know?
• 54:39
  I don't see this selling well.
• 54:40
  And there's no pictures of the back, which means it must be absolutely heinous.
• 54:46
  If you're not willing to show it from the back It must be really really bad
• 54:50
  and just looking at that d pillar and that weird glass They've got all this.
• 54:55
  Yeah.
• 54:55
  I mean the pencil broke when they got to the back of the car There's
• 54:58
  just no way this thing looks good.
• 55:00
  You know, speaking of kids.
• 55:01
  I saw an ionic 6 I saw it on the road sob.
• 55:05
  Yeah, I saw one and was Kevin Bacon driving it It was coming at me.
• 55:09
  So I really only saw it from the front And then as it passed
• 55:12
  me, I recognized it immediately.
• 55:13
  I was like, Mmm, that's that Saab ish thing.
• 55:18
  Ev, like Ev.
• 55:19
  So dumb.
• 55:20
  Stupid commercials.
• 55:21
  Well, speaking of cars you thought were dead.
• 55:23
  I thought the GTR was gone.
• 55:25
  They still make it?
• 55:26
  Because of the Gran Turismo movie.
• 55:28
  We gotta bring it back.
• 55:28
  I thought it went away.
• 55:30
  But apparently you can get a 2025 one, or at least in Japan you can.
• 55:33
  It says here, this could be the end of the line for the 17 year old Godzilla.
• 55:38
  I thought it already was!
• 55:40
  I've only seen one, maybe two, in the last 17 years in the real world.
• 55:47
  Did anyone buy these?
• 55:49
  I've seen a handful of track days and it's never the same person twice.
• 55:53
  I feel like they take them to the track one time and then that's it.
• 55:56
  They put them away in storage or something.
• 55:57
  And they're big cars.
• 55:58
  I mean, they're huge.
• 55:59
  They're rolling arcades.
• 56:01
  They basically drive themselves.
• 56:02
  But did it come out in 2007?
• 56:04
  That feels like a long time ago.
• 56:06
  I don't know.
• 56:07
  I guess.
• 56:08
  Here's another car that's 100, 000.
• 56:11
  Do you buy a GTR?
• 56:12
  Or do you buy the Mercedes?
• 56:14
  I buy the GTR.
• 56:14
  What?
• 56:15
  I buy the Mercedes.
• 56:16
  I buy a Nissan Z at this point because I say 50 grand beats you all out.
• 56:20
  No, I still buy a used 911 or a Dodge Viper.
• 56:23
  Overrated.
• 56:24
  Okay, now you have my attention.
• 56:25
  Again, I didn't know the GTR was still being made.
• 56:28
  So, okay.
• 56:29
  Good job, Nissan.
• 56:30
  Your marketing department wins again.
• 56:33
  If you've seen three GTRs, that's three more than the Nissan 400s.
• 56:38
  I have seen zero on the road.
• 56:40
  Like, they do not exist.
• 56:42
  Oh yeah, I haven't seen any of those.
• 56:44
  I thought I saw one the other day, I remember, but it wasn't.
• 56:47
  So this next one, as we talk about random EVs and concepts,
• 56:51
  this is an all Mon Dieu moment.
• 56:53
  This is one of those, don't tease me, because I want this so bad.
• 56:58
  You want that baguette holder?
• 56:59
  Well, yeah, they're stale, aren't they?
• 57:01
  But this is so cool.
• 57:03
  What about the Renault R5?
• 57:05
  So I saw the Alpine version of this when I was at Le Mans last
• 57:10
  year, and it is just the hotness.
• 57:13
  It is sick.
• 57:14
  This is cool.
• 57:15
  I can't wait for the R5 to come back.
• 57:17
  Having driven an original R5 Turbo II, this speaks to me.
• 57:21
  Is it as cool as like the Peugeot 208 and 308s and some
• 57:25
  of the new ones that are out?
• 57:26
  I like those better from a modern aesthetic perspective of a hatchback.
• 57:31
  But this being a retro car and being an EV, man, it checks all the boxes.
• 57:36
  And how much is it going to cost?
• 57:38
  I don't care.
• 57:39
  It's never coming to the United States.
• 57:41
  So it all doesn't matter.
• 57:42
  It'll be a dollar nine.
• 57:44
  When I buy the hot wheels version at Walmart, that's
• 57:46
  how much it's going to cost.
• 57:47
  True.
• 57:48
  That's what's going to happen there.
• 57:49
  What else we got going on?
• 57:50
  Brad is looking for that low cost EV and you might find it in a domestic.
• 57:57
  I see Ford is said to be planning on a $25,000 compact EV for 2026.
• 58:05
  BBBB.
• 58:06
  Did you read the fine print European market?
• 58:13
  There you have it.
• 58:14
  Nothing good comes here.
• 58:16
  Nope.
• 58:16
  And it's going to use the new lithium iron phosphate battery, blah,
• 58:19
  blah, blah, all this kind of stuff.
• 58:20
  And that's great.
• 58:21
  But here's the problem I have with it.
• 58:22
  They're going to take it to Europe, and they're going to call it the Explorer.
• 58:25
  That's not an Explorer.
• 58:27
  Oh, no.
• 58:27
  We already have an Explorer here that is.
• 58:29
  EV or will be EV was listed in the upcoming.
• 58:33
  We need to come up with a new name for this.
• 58:35
  This it's not going to be sold as an explored.
• 58:37
  Okay.
• 58:38
  Let's do it.
• 58:38
  Let's, let's come up with a new name.
• 58:40
  I only see the one picture.
• 58:41
  What do we think it should be called?
• 58:42
  If the pickup truck is maverick, I think this should be goose.
• 58:45
  Why not?
• 58:45
  Mustang something.
• 58:49
  The Mustang mock D's
• 58:54
  mark D's.
• 58:55
  Something along the lines of the car.
• 58:57
  No, this is too big.
• 58:58
  A Mustang is a wild horse.
• 59:00
  What is a wild mini horse?
• 59:03
  It's the Pinto.
• 59:04
  Oh, we figured it out.
• 59:07
  It's the Pinto.
• 59:08
  The Mustang Mach E too.
• 59:10
  And just like the Pinto, if you hit this thing hard enough in the back, it's
• 59:14
  going to explode and melt to the ground.
• 59:16
  So it's perfect.
• 59:17
  Done.
• 59:17
  We figured it out.
• 59:18
  Ford, we've solved your marketing problem at this.
• 59:20
  See, that's what we're here to do.
• 59:21
  Solve problems.
• 59:22
  We mentioned Polestar earlier as new EVs coming in this year or next year.
• 59:28
  However, Volvo has lowered its stake in Polestar, relinquishing more of the
• 59:34
  control to the parent company Geely or Geely, however that's pronounced.
• 59:39
  She reminds me of that movie.
• 59:41
  With Ben Affleck and what's her face?
• 59:43
  And Jennifer Lopez.
• 59:45
  Was that called Geely?
• 59:47
  It's called Geely.
• 59:48
  It's called Giggly.
• 59:50
  At any rate, they're relinquishing part of their stakes, or they're
• 59:53
  not completely going to zero.
• 59:55
  They're around 18%.
• 59:57
  So what does this mean for Polestar?
• 59:59
  Who knows?
• 59:59
  Means they're still going to have cars that look like Volvos.
• 1:00:02
  I know.
• 1:00:03
  Anticlimactic.
• 1:00:04
  Time will tell, I guess.
• 1:00:05
  It's not apparently impacting their plans for the upcoming three and four
• 1:00:10
  crossovers, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:00:12
  So we'll see what is in store in the future for Polestar.
• 1:00:16
  Alright Brad, it's time for your favorite section of the drive thru, it's time
• 1:00:20
  for Lost and Found, where you scour the internet looking for the newest
• 1:00:24
  old car available on dealership lots.
• 1:00:26
  Well, I already told you about the Tesla Cybertruck Founders
• 1:00:30
  Edition that was on Cars and Bids.
• 1:00:34
  I think the current bid was 150, uh, let's see here.
• 1:00:38
  God, I feel so sorry for the person who owns this 2005 Ford GT, the yellow and
• 1:00:43
  black one, because it is still for sale.
• 1:00:46
  450, 000 estimated payment, 7, 365 a month.
• 1:00:51
  Wow.
• 1:00:53
  Still cheaper than an EV.
• 1:00:54
  Taxes, tags, title included.
• 1:00:56
  Woo!
• 1:00:57
  Yep.
• 1:00:57
  That's all.
• 1:00:58
  There's nothing really exciting out here.
• 1:00:59
  Nothing fun.
• 1:01:00
  Are you kidding me?
• 1:01:01
  I found the newest old car for sale.
• 1:01:04
  You want to know who the previous owner was?
• 1:01:06
  Eric.
• 1:01:06
  Nah.
• 1:01:06
  The former design boss at Stellantis.
• 1:01:10
  He sold his 1992 Lancia Delta Integrale HF in Tornado Red.
• 1:01:16
  This thing is The sickness.
• 1:01:18
  Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  It was on bring a trailer.
• 1:01:21
  There you go.
• 1:01:21
  It's an Evo one and not an Evo two.
• 1:01:24
  And guess what?
• 1:01:24
  It's sold for 93, 000.
• 1:01:27
  So going back to our question before, if you have a hundred
• 1:01:29
  grand to spend, what do you buy?
• 1:01:30
  You buy this?
• 1:01:30
  No, no, no.
• 1:01:32
  How can you not love an Italian hot hatchback?
• 1:01:35
  That is twin charge, supercharged and turbocharged make it 300
• 1:01:39
  horsepower plus all wheel drive.
• 1:01:41
  I mean, I like it.
• 1:01:42
  I don't a hundred thousand dollars like it.
• 1:01:44
  I hear they steer like a bus.
• 1:01:45
  You're not selling me on it.
• 1:01:48
  Well, I mean, it's 1980s technology wrapped in a 1990s shell.
• 1:01:54
  So, you know, you get what you get and you don't get upset.
• 1:01:57
  I'm not going to kick it out of the garage.
• 1:01:58
  I would take this car hands down.
• 1:02:00
  Not for a hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:02:01
  Tonya, would you spend a hundred thousand dollars on this car?
• 1:02:04
  She's got to think about it, Brad.
• 1:02:05
  Look at that face.
• 1:02:06
  For 93, 000, she's just trying to find the article.
• 1:02:09
  No, a hundred thousand on this or the Mercedes.
• 1:02:13
  Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  What do you buy?
• 1:02:14
  That's a good question.
• 1:02:15
  Mercedes has air conditioning.
• 1:02:17
  This probably has a rat blowing over an ice cube.
• 1:02:21
  Mercedes has AC, but this car has more windows.
• 1:02:23
  What makes this car 93, 000?
• 1:02:25
  It's a Lancia Delta Integrale HF Evo one.
• 1:02:29
  That's it.
• 1:02:29
  Should it really be?
• 1:02:30
  Thank you.
• 1:02:31
  Thank you, Tanya.
• 1:02:32
  Thank you.
• 1:02:32
  It's wrong with you people.
• 1:02:34
  This is an icon.
• 1:02:35
  I know this is like a fashion statement.
• 1:02:39
  Is it $93,000 though?
• 1:02:41
  It was like $93,000 when it was new in 1990 $2 when you converted.
• 1:02:46
  So it's a, it's a bargain.
• 1:02:48
  This is hard decision.
• 1:02:49
  No, it's not.
• 1:02:50
  It is a simple decision.
• 1:02:51
  You take the Shield and the Lance and you put your 93, 000 in the bank.
• 1:02:57
  Well, there's that.
• 1:02:58
  So there is a car we haven't talked about yet.
• 1:03:00
  What's that?
• 1:03:01
  Do you spend 100, 000 on the Lancia Delta Integrale or do you spend
• 1:03:05
  100, 000 on a 1985 Porsche 940?
• 1:03:09
  Oh my God.
• 1:03:10
  I can't believe it.
• 1:03:11
  All day, all night.
• 1:03:13
  I'm in agreement with Tanya.
• 1:03:14
  This is where auctions get out of control.
• 1:03:17
  I could not believe this.
• 1:03:18
  Is this even a turbo?
• 1:03:19
  No, it's a regular 944.
• 1:03:22
  F that noise.
• 1:03:23
  Piece of crap.
• 1:03:24
  No, I love 944s.
• 1:03:26
  The base model ones are probably the most boring car I've ever driven, and
• 1:03:30
  I mean that in the most positive way.
• 1:03:32
  They don't do anything you don't expect.
• 1:03:35
  They're not nervous.
• 1:03:36
  They're very calm.
• 1:03:38
  They're subdued low gear ratios.
• 1:03:40
  Like it's just an Autobahn cruiser, but on the same token, just like my
• 1:03:45
  M3 was, it doesn't excite me, right?
• 1:03:48
  944s have never gotten me excited.
• 1:03:49
  Even the turbos.
• 1:03:50
  You're like, Ooh, that was fun.
• 1:03:52
  Great.
• 1:03:52
  This is again, where auctions get out of control.
• 1:03:55
  100, 000 for a base model 85 944?
• 1:04:00
  Okay, it's got Fuchs on it.
• 1:04:01
  Whoop dee doo, so does every other 944 on the planet.
• 1:04:05
  I don't see it.
• 1:04:06
  I think they messed up.
• 1:04:07
  This is a 15, 000 car.
• 1:04:09
  I could see maybe paying 10, 500.
• 1:04:11
  There's a typo here.
• 1:04:12
  There's no way this sold for 100, 000 bucks.
• 1:04:15
  I mean, the car better have, like, 12 miles on it, but at that point,
• 1:04:18
  you're gonna have to rebuild it.
• 1:04:19
  Anyway, it's going to need a head gasket as soon as you look at it.
• 1:04:22
  No, thank you.
• 1:04:23
  You know, talking about Daniel and square bodies and stuff.
• 1:04:25
  I saw a square body with the camper attachment thing.
• 1:04:29
  You've seen those back in the 80s.
• 1:04:30
  They would put that like literal physical box in the bed with like a door.
• 1:04:34
  Like, I don't even know what you call that, right?
• 1:04:36
  It just looks like a bio dome that you carry around with
• 1:04:38
  you in the bed of the truck.
• 1:04:39
  They had 1 of those sell at me come.
• 1:04:41
  For like a hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:04:43
  It was absolutely bonkers.
• 1:04:44
  I'm like, where are people coming up with the money for this stuff?
• 1:04:48
  And that's where I say, if you spend a hundred thousand dollars on an 85,
• 1:04:51
  nine 44, I will go down to the Mercedes dealership tomorrow and go buy that GT
• 1:04:57
  43, because it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:04:59
  944, they literally made hundreds of thousands of these cars.
• 1:05:03
  It's the car that saved Porsche from going bankrupt in the 80s.
• 1:05:07
  It's a mass market car.
• 1:05:09
  And you want to tell me it's a collector item at 100, 000 now?
• 1:05:13
  No freaking way.
• 1:05:15
  If you're gonna spend 100, 000 on a 944, it better be Cup car?
• 1:05:19
  Yes, cup car.
• 1:05:21
  It better be an S2 Cabriolet, like the last year, like a 92 and a half, with
• 1:05:27
  all the options, and the blue leather, and like all that crazy stuff that
• 1:05:31
  you could get, the pearl paint, and you know, they only made like three
• 1:05:35
  of them kind of deal, but a Guards Red, Black Leather, Black Fuchs, 944,
• 1:05:40
  this is like the most basic vanilla latte Starbucks Porsche on the planet.
• 1:05:45
  Come on, 100, 000.
• 1:05:48
  Get the f out of here.
• 1:05:50
  Take your 944 and go home.
• 1:05:52
  Well, we've reached that part of the episode where we would be remiss.
• 1:05:57
  We didn't talk about Teslagate.
• 1:06:03
  Was that the Law and Order music?
• 1:06:04
  What kind of shenanigans is Elon up to this time?
• 1:06:11
  Not much, just a quick check in with Hertz and their, their mis investment.
• 1:06:18
  I love that the most exciting thing we have to talk about
• 1:06:20
  with Tesla's rental cars.
• 1:06:22
  This is amazing.
• 1:06:24
  So we recall a couple years ago, they hedged a big bet.
• 1:06:28
  Went all in buying 100, 000 Teslas into the Hertz rental fleet, high
• 1:06:32
  expectations on this, and now that CEO has resigned from Hertz after he grenaded
• 1:06:38
  the company into a hole and the new CEO has to dig themselves out of this huge
• 1:06:43
  investment to divest all of these Teslas.
• 1:06:47
  Wow.
• 1:06:47
  They took a bath on these things.
• 1:06:49
  So if anybody's looking to buy a used Tesla, no, that guy's looking for a job.
• 1:06:53
  That's what he's looking for.
• 1:06:54
  If you want to hire a CEO that will ruin your company, check the Hertz website.
• 1:06:59
  That's the guy.
• 1:07:00
  And they bought high and they're having to sell not as high.
• 1:07:03
  Cause there's been a number of price reductions on Tesla's over the years.
• 1:07:09
  Claim high repair costs.
• 1:07:12
  Like, well, what does that mean?
• 1:07:15
  The maintenance shouldn't be Depends, though, because people rag on rental cars.
• 1:07:19
  So if they're bashing them into things, and suddenly you have all these EVs
• 1:07:23
  that have been in mild accidents, and then they have to get checked out,
• 1:07:26
  maybe brought back to service dealers to make sure everything's All good.
• 1:07:29
  God forbid you rent it out and lights on fire or something because
• 1:07:33
  there's a problem with the batteries.
• 1:07:34
  Wonder what the rental insurance liability is for the EVs.
• 1:07:38
  I couldn't have been cheap.
• 1:07:40
  Do you have to take out extra fire insurance?
• 1:07:42
  I don't know because I'm sure the rental was really expensive per day on these.
• 1:07:47
  So it's like who are you expecting was going to go Buy these.
• 1:07:50
  Most people are trying to find the cheapest rental car they can.
• 1:07:54
  Eric, you got to add that into your total cost of ownership.
• 1:07:57
  Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:07:58
  Does your homeowner's insurance go up because of the risk of fire if
• 1:08:02
  you're parking an EV in your garage?
• 1:08:03
  That's true.
• 1:08:04
  It has, Matt.
• 1:08:04
  Well, I wonder if they ask those kind of questions now when you're filling
• 1:08:08
  out your home insurance, right?
• 1:08:09
  I mean, Chrysler tells you not to park your EV in the garage to begin with.
• 1:08:12
  Just leave it outside.
• 1:08:13
  What is the point of the house I bought for my car to not put the
• 1:08:17
  car Is that what the garage is for?
• 1:08:19
  Oh, you bought your car a house.
• 1:08:21
  Yes, the garage is the house for the car.
• 1:08:24
  No, the garage is for all your crap that doesn't fit in your house.
• 1:08:29
  No, it's for the car.
• 1:08:30
  All right, well, enough of that.
• 1:08:32
  Now, the more interesting thing.
• 1:08:33
  So, Motor Trends has done a comparison test.
• 1:08:36
  Before you read the answer, between the Cybertruck, the Rivian R1T,
• 1:08:42
  and the F 150 Lightning, which truck do you think came out on top?
• 1:08:46
  And, of course, they looked at the real world mileage.
• 1:08:50
  They looked at off road capability, acceleration.
• 1:08:53
  They did some like figure eight tests.
• 1:08:55
  How many Porsches were they towing in this exercise?
• 1:08:58
  They towed some 3, 200 almost pound camper trailer.
• 1:09:03
  All right.
• 1:09:03
  The real question is who comes in second.
• 1:09:05
  Okay.
• 1:09:06
  Because we already know who comes in first.
• 1:09:07
  No.
• 1:09:08
  Who do you think comes in first?
• 1:09:09
  Go bottom up.
• 1:09:10
  Who's number three?
• 1:09:11
  I think the Lightning is at the bottom.
• 1:09:13
  Ooh, I was going to put the Lightning at the top.
• 1:09:15
  No, we already know the Lightning's second.
• 1:09:17
  It sucks at towing.
• 1:09:18
  Like we've seen those real life tests with the guys with the
• 1:09:21
  tampers and all that stuff.
• 1:09:23
  I think that's at the bottom.
• 1:09:24
  We haven't seen a real life test with the Cybertruck of the Rivian.
• 1:09:27
  No, it's towed a 9 11.
• 1:09:29
  That's all we needed to know.
• 1:09:30
  It beat a 9 11 towing a 9 11.
• 1:09:33
  You can tow a 9 11 down a quarter mile, not 300 miles down the interstate.
• 1:09:37
  How far is your home depot from your house?
• 1:09:39
  About 4.
• 1:09:39
  5 miles.
• 1:09:40
  There you go.
• 1:09:41
  That's as far as you need to go.
• 1:09:42
  That's it.
• 1:09:43
  But then can you shovel mulch over the side?
• 1:09:45
  You laugh.
• 1:09:46
  But in the cargo carrying category, they commented that the Cybertruck, you
• 1:09:50
  can't easily shovel mulch out over the side rails as you can in other trucks.
• 1:09:55
  Boom.
• 1:09:56
  Mulch.
• 1:09:56
  I've never seen anybody shovel mulch out of their truck.
• 1:09:59
  Is that a thing?
• 1:10:00
  Like all these guys with their pristine bed liners.
• 1:10:02
  I'm like, you buy bag mulch.
• 1:10:05
  Come on.
• 1:10:05
  I don't think they actually put mulch in these.
• 1:10:07
  I think it's just a funny way of saying like the way that
• 1:10:10
  the bed sides are angled.
• 1:10:12
  It's not really great for getting stuff out.
• 1:10:14
  Anyway, so you think number three is lightning.
• 1:10:16
  So who do we think is number two?
• 1:10:18
  I don't want it to be the Rivian.
• 1:10:20
  Is this one of those like, it's slanted in favor of the Cybertruck because
• 1:10:23
  everybody's given it so much grief?
• 1:10:26
  Who do you think is number two?
• 1:10:27
  I'm gonna roll hard.
• 1:10:28
  I'm gonna take a chance.
• 1:10:29
  And say the Rivian beat the Tesla.
• 1:10:32
  I have to abstain from voting because I saw the result.
• 1:10:36
  Oh, dang.
• 1:10:37
  All right.
• 1:10:38
  So what, what happened?
• 1:10:39
  The Rivian is number one in this comparison, followed by the Cybertruck
• 1:10:43
  and then followed by the F 150 Lightning.
• 1:10:47
  Logic prevails.
• 1:10:52
  Yes.
• 1:10:52
  So.
• 1:10:53
  So what I learned from this, just from this opening picture, because I
• 1:10:56
  didn't scroll any further than that.
• 1:10:57
  I didn't realize the headlights are in that gap, which I assume is a panel gap
• 1:11:03
  between the front nose and whatever that thing they call a bumper is at the bottom.
• 1:11:07
  Like, so that streak of light across the front of that,
• 1:11:10
  that's a daytime running light.
• 1:11:12
  Exactly.
• 1:11:13
  I thought that was the headlights.
• 1:11:15
  Oh my God.
• 1:11:16
  That makes the truck.
• 1:11:17
  Even stupider so ugly and then now that I'm scrolling down.
• 1:11:21
  This is the first time I've gotten a very clear Picture of the wiper blade.
• 1:11:27
  Oh, so speaking of the wiper blade.
• 1:11:29
  What does that wipe your ass?
• 1:11:32
  I thought it, Brad said it.
• 1:11:34
  How does this work?
• 1:11:35
  Here you go.
• 1:11:36
  So a new driver venturing into a big puddle will learn that with the wheels
• 1:11:40
  and windshield so far, so commenting on Tesla, Tesla presents a curve.
• 1:11:43
  That's so steep.
• 1:11:44
  We worry about Turo renters who may not get much familiarization.
• 1:11:47
  So stepping into a cyber truck versus something more normal, a new
• 1:11:51
  driver venturing into a big puddle will learn that with the wheels
• 1:11:53
  and windshield so far forward, visibility can be completely obscured.
• 1:11:57
  By the splash of potentially muddy water.
• 1:11:59
  A terrible time to learn the two step process for activating the Giga Wiper.
• 1:12:05
  Thumb the tiny button on the steering wheel with the windshield washer icon,
• 1:12:09
  then look down and choose your wiper setting from a pop up menu on the screen.
• 1:12:13
  Wow.
• 1:12:15
  It got really poor marks in terms of like visibility.
• 1:12:18
  Apparently you can't see out of the thing.
• 1:12:20
  They summarize it in two words.
• 1:12:23
  It says further in the article.
• 1:12:24
  Bunker visibility.
• 1:12:30
  I also like the other comment in the con column.
• 1:12:33
  Cosplay quote unquote off road tires.
• 1:12:36
  Apparently they were horrible.
• 1:12:38
  They mudded up immediately and it went like spinning and sliding.
• 1:12:42
  Whereas like the Rivian and the Ford on their like, Whatever normal
• 1:12:45
  street tires were, it was like, fine.
• 1:12:47
  And they're Cooper's that they got, you know, like whatever.
• 1:12:51
  I also like the borderline dangerous secondary trolls.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah.
• 1:12:56
  Like that windshield wiper is great.
• 1:12:59
  It never ends.
• 1:13:00
  Like there's a reason why, and it goes back to the manufacturers now also back
• 1:13:05
  peddling on the whole infotainment.
• 1:13:07
  Let's control everything with this big, huge.
• 1:13:10
  iPad in the middle of your console, the tactile, the levers behind the
• 1:13:15
  steering wheel, knobs that you can intuitively just reach for, feel,
• 1:13:18
  and you don't have to look at them.
• 1:13:20
  I shouldn't have to divert my eyes to use my windshield wipers.
• 1:13:24
  I should just be able to flick if they're on immediately.
• 1:13:27
  I feel like the Cybertruck is this giant social experiment.
• 1:13:30
  We're gonna throw the craziest crap at this and then see how people react to it.
• 1:13:35
  Who's the engineer that said, you know what?
• 1:13:37
  I'm going to make the windshield wiper work like this.
• 1:13:39
  Let's see what they think about it.
• 1:13:41
  It's like, here, hold my beer.
• 1:13:42
  Like the whole truck is here.
• 1:13:44
  Hold my beer, right?
• 1:13:45
  It makes no sense whatsoever.
• 1:13:48
  But again, these are some of the clearest pictures I've gotten of the windshield
• 1:13:51
  wiper, the side mirrors, the headlights, some other things about the truck.
• 1:13:55
  Everything else has sort of been obscured.
• 1:13:56
  And what's also fun about the picture of the cyber truck just
• 1:14:00
  above the pro and con column.
• 1:14:02
  Look how gross.
• 1:14:04
  I don't, I have like, it's just like, yeah, it looks dirty.
• 1:14:10
  It's just awful.
• 1:14:12
  Like, disgusting.
• 1:14:14
  It looks like, you know, you haven't washed your car in a month
• 1:14:16
  and it gets that grime that's like streaking down the sides.
• 1:14:21
  I'm like, just go look at your stainless steel appliances in your kitchen.
• 1:14:25
  Come on.
• 1:14:25
  And that roof line, I mean, it looks like combination Frank Lloyd
• 1:14:29
  Wright meets a kindergartner.
• 1:14:31
  Like who wants their car to look like a house?
• 1:14:33
  In profile.
• 1:14:34
  Like, it doesn't make sense.
• 1:14:36
  I could make something less angular out of Legos, and with better precision
• 1:14:41
  as we know, than this Cybertruck.
• 1:14:42
  Like, oh god, it's terrible.
• 1:14:45
  It'll be interesting the day we finally see one on the road.
• 1:14:48
  We're never gonna see one on the road.
• 1:14:49
  There's only like three Crest Cybertrucks running around.
• 1:14:52
  That's what it is.
• 1:14:53
  Nobody actually owns these things.
• 1:14:55
  So bad.
• 1:14:56
  Well, enough of that.
• 1:14:57
  My expectations are once again lowered.
• 1:15:00
  Lowered expectations.
• 1:15:01
  I told you guys I would check in.
• 1:15:05
  Did you watch the Ferrari movie?
• 1:15:07
  Nope.
• 1:15:08
  What Ferrari movie?
• 1:15:10
  This is becoming like Drive to Survive.
• 1:15:12
  So is it going to be one of these deals where if I watch an episode
• 1:15:15
  of Drive to Survive, you guys will watch the Ferrari movie?
• 1:15:17
  Is that where this is going?
• 1:15:18
  Yes.
• 1:15:18
  No, I'm not, not watching it for any particular reason.
• 1:15:21
  I'm just not watching it.
• 1:15:23
  For the same reasons I'm not watching a lot of other movies
• 1:15:25
  that have just come out.
• 1:15:26
  I just haven't made the time.
• 1:15:28
  I thought you were going to say because they suck.
• 1:15:29
  There's always that potential too.
• 1:15:31
  Whatever.
• 1:15:31
  I'll get your guys opinion on it eventually.
• 1:15:33
  If you didn't have enough things to watch or review with Steve and Izzy
• 1:15:37
  from Everything I Learned From Movies, here's another one to add to the list.
• 1:15:40
  This one's called The Lionheart and it's on HBO Max.
• 1:15:44
  Yes, it is about Dan Weldon, who was a British motor racing driver
• 1:15:48
  and he was in the IndyCar series.
• 1:15:50
  But he died in 2011 in a racing incident.
• 1:15:54
  And I have been told by some folks that watched it, they said, quote, if you
• 1:15:58
  haven't watched it, I'm ashamed of you.
• 1:16:00
  You need to watch it now.
• 1:16:01
  Okay.
• 1:16:02
  That was what Sam said.
• 1:16:04
  All right.
• 1:16:05
  So that's on my list to watch and report back on and see what that's all about.
• 1:16:09
  I don't know that story.
• 1:16:10
  I don't follow IndyCar that much.
• 1:16:12
  I've heard that it's good.
• 1:16:13
  So I'm curious.
• 1:16:14
  I did see it pop on my feed the other day and it kind of glazed over
• 1:16:17
  it because I was like, Oh, IndyCar.
• 1:16:19
  Yeah, I'll get to that now that it's been reinforced.
• 1:16:22
  I guess I'm sort of feeling guilt tripped into watching it.
• 1:16:25
  I think I remember when this happened.
• 1:16:26
  Obviously I don't know all the particulars and I didn't follow
• 1:16:30
  the series that closely, but I think I do recall when it happened.
• 1:16:33
  Well, this next one, it was a toss up of where we were going to put it.
• 1:16:37
  Is it Florida man?
• 1:16:38
  Or is it lowered expectations?
• 1:16:40
  It's pretty close.
• 1:16:42
  How?
• 1:16:42
  Nebraska woman used a rewards card loophole for 7, 000 gallons of free gas?
• 1:16:48
  She ain't ever changing to EV.
• 1:16:52
  So now you know, we talked about how much gas can you buy for 10, 000.
• 1:16:56
  Well, for 27, 000 equivalent, that's 7, 000 gallons of gas.
• 1:17:01
  That's a lot.
• 1:17:02
  How does she do this?
• 1:17:03
  This woman is accused of improperly using her rewards card from Pump
• 1:17:07
  and Pantry in Lincoln, Nebraska, at least 500 times over six months.
• 1:17:13
  What does that mean?
• 1:17:14
  I don't understand.
• 1:17:15
  It says here, there's usually nothing wrong with using a rewards
• 1:17:18
  card, but police say the woman took advantage of a software update from
• 1:17:22
  November 2022 that managed orders and rewards cards at the fuel pump.
• 1:17:28
  She hacked the fuel pump, I think is what we're saying here.
• 1:17:31
  Dang.
• 1:17:32
  According to this, She used the rewards card 510 times.
• 1:17:36
  She's accused of being paid to give her card to another woman to get free gas.
• 1:17:42
  So if you had a 14 gallon tank, that's 500 tanks of fuel that you could fill.
• 1:17:48
  That's a lot of driving.
• 1:17:49
  Where was she going to Canada and back?
• 1:17:52
  Fill up say twice a month, then that's 24 times a year.
• 1:17:56
  That's almost 21 years.
• 1:17:59
  Wow.
• 1:18:02
  She was filling semi trucks or something like I don't get it.
• 1:18:05
  That's ridiculous.
• 1:18:06
  So if you two know how to hack the TV based gas pump, like they
• 1:18:11
  have it pump and pantry, you can get some free gas apparently.
• 1:18:14
  But you got to unload that gas pretty fast because Right?
• 1:18:18
  Where did she store 7, 000 gallons?
• 1:18:20
  How do you launder it?
• 1:18:22
  Oh my god, it's like the Sonny and Philadelphia episode.
• 1:18:25
  He shows up with a 90 gallon trash can and then he starts trying to sell
• 1:18:28
  it door to door, you remember that?
• 1:18:30
  Same thing, or those crazy people.
• 1:18:32
  What was it, we were having the gas shortage thing, like temporarily there
• 1:18:35
  for like a minute during COVID and everybody's like buying gas and people
• 1:18:38
  are trying to put it in trash bags.
• 1:18:39
  You remember that?
• 1:18:42
  How do you move 7, 000 gallons in six months?
• 1:18:45
  That's a lot of gas.
• 1:18:46
  How did they not notice this sooner?
• 1:18:49
  This woman's going with like 18 gas cans.
• 1:18:52
  I'm gonna say it again.
• 1:18:54
  Pump and Pantry, Lincoln, Nebraska.
• 1:18:56
  Is that the name of a city?
• 1:18:58
  No, that's the name of the gas station.
• 1:19:00
  Where are you from?
• 1:19:02
  Oh, I'm from Pump and Pantry, Lincoln.
• 1:19:04
  That's in Nebraska.
• 1:19:05
  Oh, it was Lincoln, Nebraska.
• 1:19:07
  Got it.
• 1:19:07
  Okay.
• 1:19:07
  Sorry.
• 1:19:08
  No offense to anybody from Nebraska.
• 1:19:09
  My family's from Nebraska.
• 1:19:11
  The other thing is if she hacked the machine, maybe she found the Easter
• 1:19:14
  egg, touch this corner, dance on your head, pick your nose at the same time.
• 1:19:18
  Noob Saibot.
• 1:19:18
  Yeah, right.
• 1:19:19
  But it doesn't usually work that way.
• 1:19:21
  If you're going to hack the thing.
• 1:19:23
  So she's out there with her laptop, plugging into the card reader and
• 1:19:27
  like hacking into the machine.
• 1:19:28
  Like how did, or is it like, you know, you see in like blacklist and she
• 1:19:32
  puts the thing and it starts beeping and 93 million numbers start going.
• 1:19:36
  How do you hack a gas pump to make this happen?
• 1:19:39
  I don't know.
• 1:19:40
  But this is also why I don't buy gas from no name gas stations.
• 1:19:45
  Why?
• 1:19:46
  It would have been in your bed.
• 1:19:47
  That's when you pay with cash.
• 1:19:49
  You could have gotten 7, 000 gallons of just watered down crap too.
• 1:19:53
  You know what I mean?
• 1:19:54
  Yeah, you could have been in for a rude awakening.
• 1:19:56
  This could have been a Florida Man story.
• 1:19:58
  It's right there.
• 1:19:59
  It's borderline.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, the fact that it didn't make it to Florida Man leads me to believe
• 1:20:03
  that we've got something really spicy in the Florida Man section.
• 1:20:05
  No, I don't know that we do, unfortunately.
• 1:20:09
  Does that mean we gotta go down south for alligators and bear?
• 1:20:28
  Was this one in Flowrider?
• 1:20:30
  No, this was in Arizona.
• 1:20:32
  We're adding states.
• 1:20:33
  We add Nebraska.
• 1:20:34
  Let's say that other one gets an honorable mention.
• 1:20:36
  It counts.
• 1:20:37
  I feel like we need a map of the United States behind one of us with little
• 1:20:42
  pins on where these stories are from.
• 1:20:44
  Tanya and I talked about this.
• 1:20:45
  We're going to put it on the website.
• 1:20:46
  We've hit a lot of states.
• 1:20:48
  We are missing some.
• 1:20:50
  I ran a report.
• 1:20:51
  We figured out where all our stories are coming from.
• 1:20:53
  Did you use the Power BI?
• 1:20:55
  Used Excel, like Williams.
• 1:20:59
  Nobody needs that sophisticated AWS, just use Excel spreadsheets.
• 1:21:02
  Tried and true, baby.
• 1:21:03
  You can do a lot with Excel.
• 1:21:05
  I do try to look in the lesser known states in this segment.
• 1:21:11
  The best stories come out of Florida.
• 1:21:12
  Have yet to find South Dakota man, you know, but I'm looking, I do try to look.
• 1:21:17
  They don't have communication out of South Dakota.
• 1:21:20
  You have to actually go there.
• 1:21:22
  You have to go to Sturgis to.
• 1:21:25
  I might have to be more specific.
• 1:21:27
  I might have to be like city specific.
• 1:21:30
  Like a pump and pump and pantry, South Dakota pump and pantry.
• 1:21:34
  This story is a lot like the carjacking story, though.
• 1:21:38
  This is stupid criminal file.
• 1:21:41
  So guy gets out of jail needs the way home somehow randomly comes across
• 1:21:48
  Like a Volvo car hauler loaded up with over 1, 000, 000 worth of Corvettes.
• 1:21:53
  So that's how many Corvettes were on this thing.
• 1:21:55
  And he steals it to drive home to wherever Pumpin Pantry, Arizona.
• 1:22:01
  There must be like 900 lojacks on this thing.
• 1:22:04
  And like satellite tracking to make sure the million dollars of
• 1:22:07
  merchandise doesn't get stolen.
• 1:22:09
  Let's also be real, this ain't Smokey and the Bandit.
• 1:22:11
  That thing is slow.
• 1:22:13
  Exactly!
• 1:22:14
  I mean, the cop probably could like, run up next to him.
• 1:22:17
  Look at the road that they're on.
• 1:22:19
  I can't imagine that there's a lot of traffic.
• 1:22:21
  So this is probably his only option.
• 1:22:23
  You know what would have been really funny though?
• 1:22:25
  This guy gets in the truck, locks himself in there as the story says, and then
• 1:22:29
  he just drives away, blah blah blah.
• 1:22:30
  But what would have been really funny is, He gets in it and looks down, and
• 1:22:33
  it's a manual, and he goes, Ah, shit.
• 1:22:36
  What'd have been really funny is if he knew how to use the hauler,
• 1:22:38
  and he took one of the vets off and then drove the vet away.
• 1:22:41
  Well, that's what he should have done.
• 1:22:43
  But how gullible was the truck driver, too?
• 1:22:45
  Where was the truck?
• 1:22:46
  Where is this truck in the middle of a freaking desert?
• 1:22:50
  Where was he?
• 1:22:51
  According to the story, allegedly the truck was parked at the Wilcox
• 1:22:55
  Lowe's truck stop in Wilcox, Arizona.
• 1:22:57
  Oh, so this is where they caught him.
• 1:22:59
  This is the picture they've apprehended him at this point.
• 1:23:01
  No, no.
• 1:23:02
  Where's the Lowe's?
• 1:23:03
  No, Love's, the truck stop.
• 1:23:04
  It says here, Oh, Lowe's.
• 1:23:05
  When Walker, not to be confused with Texas Ranger, began to strike up a
• 1:23:09
  conversation with the truck driver at the truck stop, the driver attempted
• 1:23:13
  to climb into the cab of the truck, And Walker grabbed the driver and threw him
• 1:23:17
  to the ground, at which point Walker got into the truck, locked the doors,
• 1:23:20
  and drove out of the parking lot.
• 1:23:22
  So he turned down this random dirt road and then got caught.
• 1:23:25
  That's where he got caught.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  He had missed a seal in the truck, but not the Corvettes.
• 1:23:30
  No, it's like Ron White.
• 1:23:34
  I was not drunk at all.
• 1:23:36
  In public until you put me in public, right?
• 1:23:39
  He didn't steal the Corvettes, he stole the truck.
• 1:23:41
  If you think about it, how many counts of Grand Theft Auto is
• 1:23:45
  he going to be charged with?
• 1:23:46
  I guess 10 vets in a truck.
• 1:23:48
  Oh, it says 11 accounts of theft of means of transportation.
• 1:23:52
  What's the thing in Monopoly?
• 1:23:53
  Do not pass go, go directly to jail, do not collect 200.
• 1:23:55
  Yeah, he got out of jail just to return revolving door right back.
• 1:24:00
  Oh, well.
• 1:24:01
  Do we have a real Florida?
• 1:24:02
  We have a real Florida man.
• 1:24:04
  Yes.
• 1:24:04
  Sweet.
• 1:24:05
  We're diverging a little from the norm.
• 1:24:07
  It's a motorcycle.
• 1:24:09
  What?
• 1:24:10
  Those are the best.
• 1:24:11
  Florida man with mullet.
• 1:24:14
  Wait, say that again.
• 1:24:15
  That's not really shocking.
• 1:24:16
  Florida man with mullet.
• 1:24:17
  Oh, damn.
• 1:24:18
  Oh, okay.
• 1:24:19
  Florida man with mullet.
• 1:24:21
  Fleece from cops with mullet.
• 1:24:23
  Will Run license plate.
• 1:24:25
  Wow, advertising.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah, so there's a video of this, and there's a picture
• 1:24:29
  of him and his glorious hair.
• 1:24:31
  Hold on a second, is that a mullet, or is that like, just got out of bed hair?
• 1:24:35
  Cause like, my hair looks like that some days.
• 1:24:37
  I don't know.
• 1:24:38
  Like, you know, you've been laying on a pillow the wrong way, and
• 1:24:40
  then you get up and your hair's like all feathery and large.
• 1:24:43
  Like, is that really a mullet?
• 1:24:44
  His hair doesn't go to his shoulders.
• 1:24:46
  And there's a video.
• 1:24:47
  He passes the Daytona beach signs.
• 1:24:50
  So you fast forward to minute 10.
• 1:24:52
  Of the video.
• 1:24:52
  And it hit play.
• 1:24:53
  Is he by the track?
• 1:24:54
  Yeah, he's by the track.
• 1:24:56
  Where we walked across that bridge.
• 1:24:57
  Right?
• 1:24:58
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:59
  And then you see the Hooters.
• 1:25:00
  He drives by the Hooters.
• 1:25:01
  Oh, yeah, that's right by Daytona International Raceway.
• 1:25:04
  The best part, this chase goes into the night time, they find, like,
• 1:25:08
  the helicopter's like, Really?
• 1:25:10
  Well, into the night time, I don't know, because it went into, like,
• 1:25:12
  night vision at the end of the video.
• 1:25:14
  I don't know what time of day it was, but the best part was the
• 1:25:17
  last, like, seconds of the video, I think the cop complimented him.
• 1:25:22
  I thought they weren't supposed to pursue.
• 1:25:24
  They pursued him with the helicopter.
• 1:25:26
  Oh, okay.
• 1:25:27
  So they weren't chasing him at speed.
• 1:25:28
  I think the helicopter was pursuing him, but then they kept having
• 1:25:31
  cops in the vicinity and then like, I don't know why he finally like
• 1:25:34
  stopped and then they rushed him.
• 1:25:35
  There you have it.
• 1:25:36
  Yeah, man.
• 1:25:37
  That's a real, real strong on the motorcycle.
• 1:25:39
  He goes, yeah, man, you're real strong with the motorcycle.
• 1:25:44
  Whatever.
• 1:25:45
  It's Florida, okay?
• 1:25:47
  It's like, none of it makes sense.
• 1:25:48
  It never will.
• 1:25:50
  But we need to go behind the pit wall and talk about motorsports news.
• 1:25:53
  So, I have to admit, I finally watched an F1 race.
• 1:25:57
  It must have been a blue moon or something.
• 1:25:59
  Would you like to know my reaction?
• 1:26:00
  Hello.
• 1:26:01
  I think you fell asleep.
• 1:26:01
  Oh, I you slept.
• 1:26:02
  More F1 races this year than I have.
• 1:26:05
  It was boring.
• 1:26:06
  And I thought it was stupid.
• 1:26:07
  I can't watch F1 anymore.
• 1:26:09
  I mean, max for stopping plus 20 seconds ahead of the rest of the pack.
• 1:26:13
  I was like barf Bahrain, not the most interesting layout either.
• 1:26:17
  And I kept saying to myself.
• 1:26:19
  You know, and there was a bunch of us watching it together, kind
• 1:26:21
  of did a little viewing party.
• 1:26:22
  And I'm like, how do you guys watch this manufacturer's championship?
• 1:26:26
  That's what it is.
• 1:26:27
  I don't get it.
• 1:26:28
  It's not the formula one I grew up with.
• 1:26:30
  You pretend that Max isn't there.
• 1:26:33
  And then it's who is coming in second place.
• 1:26:36
  I'll stick to sports car and rally.
• 1:26:38
  Sorry.
• 1:26:39
  So boring.
• 1:26:40
  There's been like what?
• 1:26:41
  Two other races since Bahrain?
• 1:26:43
  Since the last time?
• 1:26:43
  Uh, no, one.
• 1:26:45
  And what happened?
• 1:26:46
  Same thing?
• 1:26:46
  Lathering's repeat?
• 1:26:47
  I think so.
• 1:26:49
  Oh, that's the race that signs got appendicitis.
• 1:26:53
  Right before.
• 1:26:54
  And unfortunately he couldn't race.
• 1:26:56
  And so Academy Ferrari driver, Ollie Beerman, British racing driver.
• 1:27:02
  He stepped in as the reserve driver.
• 1:27:05
  He qualified in the top 10 and then finished in the top 10.
• 1:27:09
  So what a debut for his first time in an F1 car and he only
• 1:27:12
  had one practice session to acclimate to the car, essentially.
• 1:27:16
  So what you're saying is the secondary quarterbacks are better than the guys that
• 1:27:20
  are out playing the game all the time.
• 1:27:21
  I wouldn't say that.
• 1:27:22
  I would, I'm pretty sure Saenz would have done much better than what he did, but I
• 1:27:26
  think it's pretty impressive for what he was able to accomplish versus some of the
• 1:27:32
  other veteran people on the grid, right?
• 1:27:35
  You know what veteran means?
• 1:27:37
  Oh, well, yes, there's Alonzo, but then there's people that have been
• 1:27:41
  there for years now, like Stroll, and Okon, and Ricciardo, who's back,
• 1:27:46
  and it's like, that guy just, I'm sorry, no offense to the people who
• 1:27:49
  love him, but he's a personality.
• 1:27:50
  Otherwise, he's doing crap, and he's gonna lose his seat.
• 1:27:53
  Again, for like the sixth time.
• 1:27:54
  He hasn't done shit since he left Red Bull.
• 1:27:56
  He's been trash, but he's your heartthrob, Brad.
• 1:27:59
  I mean, how are you going to give up on your man?
• 1:28:01
  What have you done for me lately?
• 1:28:02
  Oh, is that how it is in the Ricciardo household?
• 1:28:05
  I see how it is.
• 1:28:06
  I just posted in our show notes, a commercial it's F1 adjacent.
• 1:28:11
  Have you all seen this Uber car share commercial with Valtteri Botis?
• 1:28:15
  No, he needs to really cut that mustache and No, he doesn't.
• 1:28:19
  It is a maze balls.
• 1:28:21
  But sadly, he's not built for the famous Ozzy Watts.
• 1:28:23
  That mustache makes him look like Harry at your bachelor party.
• 1:28:26
  Doesn't it though?
• 1:28:27
  For me, the star of the commercial is the car.
• 1:28:29
  Mullet aeration technology.
• 1:28:32
  And the fan behind him.
• 1:28:33
  The fan.
• 1:28:35
  It's fucking awesome!
• 1:28:37
  Budgie smuggler drying system.
• 1:28:40
  That is, I love this.
• 1:28:43
  This is great.
• 1:28:45
  For the listeners at home that don't know what we're talking about,
• 1:28:47
  Volterra Bodas, recently retired, is now doing commercials for Uber share.
• 1:28:53
  Did I miss that he retired?
• 1:28:55
  Or is he still driving?
• 1:28:56
  He's still driving.
• 1:28:57
  What?
• 1:28:58
  Yes, he's driving steak because it's not alpha anymore.
• 1:29:02
  Oh, okay.
• 1:29:03
  So let me rephrase that.
• 1:29:04
  No, you get to keep that one.
• 1:29:06
  Okay, that's fine.
• 1:29:07
  I thought he was retired.
• 1:29:08
  He should be retired.
• 1:29:09
  I thought he started a new career in entertainment.
• 1:29:11
  I thought he had like the same personality as the ice man, like Kimmy.
• 1:29:15
  Like he was never talked or did anything.
• 1:29:17
  No, Voltaire is hilarious.
• 1:29:19
  There's pictures of him.
• 1:29:20
  He's always naked recently.
• 1:29:22
  Laying naked in a creek.
• 1:29:23
  That's all for two girls, one formula.
• 1:29:24
  That's just for them.
• 1:29:27
  It's not Steak.
• 1:29:28
  It's Kick Sauber now.
• 1:29:30
  They changed the name again?
• 1:29:31
  I noticed, because I was pulling him up and seeing where he placed
• 1:29:34
  in the last race, and it said Kick Sauber under his name.
• 1:29:37
  And now I'm on the team's roster on F1.
• 1:29:40
  com, and he is part of Kick Sauber.
• 1:29:44
  Well, there was also rumor that Audi's gonna put their livery on
• 1:29:47
  the car like a year early too, but I don't know how true that is.
• 1:29:50
  Okay, there's Steak F1 Team Kick Sauber.
• 1:29:54
  Sure.
• 1:29:55
  That's like Visa, Cash App, MoneyGram, Chipotle.
• 1:29:58
  Visa, Cash App, RB Formula One team, yes.
• 1:30:01
  Oh my god, terrible.
• 1:30:03
  Well anyway, in other disciplines of motorsport, can confirm
• 1:30:08
  WEC can be watched on HBO Max.
• 1:30:11
  And the best part is it's the same feed as overseas.
• 1:30:15
  So you get all the awesome stuff that they would have over there
• 1:30:19
  and not some Americanized version.
• 1:30:21
  It's legitimately from overseas.
• 1:30:23
  So if you have HBO Max and you're a fan of Sports Garden Endurance
• 1:30:26
  Racing, especially the World Endurance Championship, check it out on HBO Max.
• 1:30:31
  Highly recommend.
• 1:30:32
  Can you go back and re watch races?
• 1:30:34
  Yeah, it's all there.
• 1:30:35
  Our motorsports news is brought to us in partnership with the
• 1:30:37
  International Motor Racing Research Center out of Watkins Glen.
• 1:30:40
  A quick reminder, this is the last month to get in on the
• 1:30:44
  sweepstakes for the Corvette E Ray.
• 1:30:46
  I have seen pictures of it.
• 1:30:48
  It is real.
• 1:30:49
  It is out of production.
• 1:30:50
  It is ready to go.
• 1:30:51
  It is gorgeous.
• 1:30:52
  It is silver with blue stripes, beautiful interior.
• 1:30:55
  It is a Corvette E Ray.
• 1:30:56
  Ray three LZ convertible.
• 1:30:59
  There is a couple promo codes floating around.
• 1:31:01
  The latest one is on racing archives.org.
• 1:31:04
  In the news and events section, pull up the blog and you'll be able to get
• 1:31:07
  the latest promo code so you can double down on your chances to win that array.
• 1:31:11
  You still have a month to go before they declare a winner.
• 1:31:14
  And I'm hearing some rumors about what the next sweepstakes car is going
• 1:31:18
  to be, but I can't say it just yet.
• 1:31:20
  So stay tuned for further updates in May and throughout the summer on what the
• 1:31:23
  next sweepstakes car is going to be, but you still have an opportunity to jump in
• 1:31:26
  there and get that 2024 Corvette E Ride.
• 1:31:29
  Meanwhile, the couple events that are important to the IMRRC schedule
• 1:31:34
  and regardless of what motor sport you're interested in, opening day
• 1:31:38
  at Watkins Glen is April the 6th.
• 1:31:40
  So there's a couple different meetups there.
• 1:31:42
  I know the Audi club's doing something at opening day at the Glen.
• 1:31:45
  There's a lot of stuff happening that weekend at Watkins Glen.
• 1:31:48
  On May the 11th, they're going to be doing a center conversation called as we go.
• 1:31:53
  Supers a legacy of speed at the steel palace, and they're going
• 1:31:57
  to have the Purdy deuce on display at the center during that time.
• 1:32:00
  So that'll be May 11th on June 22nd.
• 1:32:02
  They have another center conversation scheduled called the
• 1:32:05
  greatest Corvette story ever told.
• 1:32:07
  And it's about the Camerati Corvette, which will also
• 1:32:10
  be on display at the center.
• 1:32:11
  And then later in the year, September 12th, they're going to have the
• 1:32:14
  Cameron R Argettsinger award for outstanding contributions to motorsport.
• 1:32:18
  The nominee is going to be announced later this year, and that will be
• 1:32:22
  followed up in November by the eighth annual Argettsinger symposium on
• 1:32:27
  November the 1st and 2nd, which we will be live streaming yet again, this year,
• 1:32:31
  we're still doing all the planning.
• 1:32:32
  We have not figured out the schedule, who the presenters are going to be.
• 1:32:35
  The keynote is being kept under wraps, but it's going to be pretty exciting.
• 1:32:38
  So we're really looking forward to the IMRC schedule.
• 1:32:41
  This year, we appreciate their continued sponsorship of Brake Fix
• 1:32:45
  and the Motoring Podcast Network.
• 1:32:46
  And now it's time to wrap it up and take us home, right Brad?
• 1:32:49
  Yes, and as a reminder, you can find tons of upcoming local shows and
• 1:32:53
  events at the ultimate reference for car enthusiasts, TheCollectorCarGuide.
• 1:32:58
  net.
• 1:32:59
  And if you're still planning your HPDE schedule, don't
• 1:33:02
  forget to check out HPDEJunkie.
• 1:33:04
  com.
• 1:33:05
  And you can get a list of all.
• 1:33:06
  All up to date events from across America and Canada on their website.
• 1:33:10
  And you can filter by location and find the perfect HPD event for you.
• 1:33:14
  So get up off the couch and get out on track and drive your
• 1:33:17
  car the way is intended to be.
• 1:33:18
  And be sure to keep an eye out on our motor sports calendar on gtmotorsports.
• 1:33:23
  org forward slash events to learn about other special events and happenings
• 1:33:27
  in various other disciplines of motor sport that you shouldn't miss.
• 1:33:31
  This month we celebrated International Women's Month with 11 new episodes
• 1:33:35
  featuring women from all over the autosphere, so be sure to tune
• 1:33:38
  in to Brake Fix to learn about fascinating people with fantastic
• 1:33:41
  jobs helping to continue spreading vehicle and motorsports enthusiasm.
• 1:33:45
  Meanwhile, we just crested 321 episodes of Brake Fix while you've
• 1:33:50
  been listening to this episode, but more importantly, we've expanded our
• 1:33:53
  catalog as part of our new motoring podcast network, where you can enjoy
• 1:33:56
  programs like The Ferrari Marketplace, the Motoring Historian, the History of
• 1:34:00
  Motorsports Series, BrakeFix, and others.
• 1:34:03
  Search for Brake slash Fix, or Gran, no D, Touring, everywhere
• 1:34:08
  you download, stream, or listen.
• 1:34:10
  And be sure to check out www.
• 1:34:12
  motoringpodcast.
• 1:34:14
  net for reviews of the shows, new episodes, bios of our on air
• 1:34:17
  personalities, and descriptions of the services we offer.
• 1:34:20
  And thanks for bringing that up, Tanya, because we're also adding Evening with
• 1:34:24
  a Legend, sponsored by the ACO USA.
• 1:34:27
  That's the ACO, the governing body of the 24 Hours of LeMans
• 1:34:30
  to our motoring podcast network.
• 1:34:32
  And I am, as you guys heard in the past, the new MC for Evening with a Legend.
• 1:34:36
  We did our first one in February with Rick Newp, who's actually the special
• 1:34:40
  guest of the ACO this year, returning to LeMans for the first time in 40
• 1:34:44
  years since his second win there.
• 1:34:46
  Not only that, little spoiler alert, we got some awesome news.
• 1:34:48
  Awesome names and some former guests of break fix coming to talk on evening
• 1:34:52
  with a legend in subsequent months here throughout season five of our show.
• 1:34:56
  So look forward to some really cool evening with a legend episodes
• 1:35:00
  and also some special guests.
• 1:35:02
  So if you're not a member of the ACO today, you can check how to become a
• 1:35:05
  member by going to motoringpodcast.
• 1:35:06
  net.
• 1:35:07
  Hey, did you know you can sign up for our Patreon for free, lots of great extras
• 1:35:12
  and bonuses, even on the free tier.
• 1:35:15
  But if you'd like to become a break, fix VIP, jump over to www.
• 1:35:20
  patreon.
• 1:35:20
  com slash GT motor sports and learn about our different tiers.
• 1:35:23
  Join our discord or become a member of the GTM clubhouse by signing up at club.
• 1:35:27
  gtmotorsports.
• 1:35:29
  org.
• 1:35:29
  Drop us a line on social media or visit our Facebook group and leave us a comment.
• 1:35:33
  Tell us what you like dislike and send us ideas for future shows.
• 1:35:37
  Please.
• 1:35:37
  We need help.
• 1:35:38
  That's right, brad and good point.
• 1:35:40
  Don't forget to follow our new instagram handle and on facebook at motoring
• 1:35:45
  podcast network Where we'll be dropping all the latest updates of break fix
• 1:35:49
  episodes evening with the legend for our marketplace all that kind of stuff Make
• 1:35:52
  sure to follow at motoring podcast network And remember for everything we talked
• 1:35:56
  about on this episode and more, be sure to check out the follow on article and
• 1:36:00
  show notes available at gtmotorsports.
• 1:36:03
  org.
• 1:36:03
  Tonya, thank you for nothing, for being a great co host and executive producer on
• 1:36:08
  the show and to all of our fans, friends, and family who support GTM without
• 1:36:12
  you, none of this would be possible.
• 1:36:15
  Oh, true.
• 1:36:18
  Cue the music.
• 1:36:19
  How did I end up in Volvo?
• 1:36:20
  You're way too far.
• 1:36:22
  You're way too far.
• 1:36:24
  I had to click the show more and then it just took me to the bottom.
• 1:36:28
  Are you a cardboard cutout like Daniella Ricardo?
• 1:36:31
  Daniella Ricardo.
• 1:36:35
  You ran it through that Facebook app that turns him into a woman, right?
• 1:36:38
  No.
• 1:36:40
  Who's Daniel?
• 1:36:41
  Yeah.
• 1:36:41
  Daniel who?
• 1:36:42
  Tell me of this Daniel.
• 1:36:43
  Who have you seen mommy with?
• 1:37:13
  We hope you enjoyed another awesome episode of Break Fix Podcast brought
• 1:37:18
  to you by Grand Touring Motorsports.
• 1:37:20
  If you'd like to be a guest on the show or get involved, be sure
• 1:37:23
  to follow us on all social media platforms at GrandTouringMotorsports.
• 1:37:27
  And if you'd like to learn more about the content of this episode,
• 1:37:30
  be sure to check out the follow on article at GTMotorsports.
• 1:37:34
  org.
• 1:37:35
  We remain a commercial free and no annual fees organization through
• 1:37:39
  our sponsors, but also through the generous support of our fans,
• 1:37:43
  families, and friends through Patreon.
• 1:37:46
  For as little as 2.
• 1:37:48
  50 a month, you can get access to more behind the scenes action, additional
• 1:37:52
  Pit Stop minisodes, and other VIP goodies, as well as keeping our team
• 1:37:56
  of creators Fed on their strict diet of fig Newtons, gummy bears, and monster.
• 1:38:01
  So consider signing up for Patreon today at www.
• 1:38:05
  patreon.
• 1:38:05
  com forward slash GT motorsports, and remember without you, none
• 1:38:10
  of this would be possible.