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Like, Seriously? The Lindsay Clancy Trial (Part 1) · Dead Serious

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Dead Serious, a true crime podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Ames Murray.
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  SPEAKER_00: This podcast contains mature themes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your discretion is advised.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, and welcome back to Dead Serious.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is going to be a mini sode where I talk about the wildest things happening in true crime.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the documentaries, the trials, the books, the ones that leave you with that nagging question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, seriously?
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we're going to talk about a trial that's been three years in the making.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a difficult one, very tragic one, and I'd be surprised, honestly, if you had not heard of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is going to be Massachusetts versus Lindsay Clancy.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you are following, you know that Lindsay is being charged with three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of strangulation in the January 24th, 2023 deaths of her three children.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has pled not guilty to all charges.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her attorney is 75-year-old Kevin Reddington, whom, I may add, has an impressive background.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is a member of the American College of Trial Lawyers, which is reserved for 1% of trial lawyers in the United States, Canada, and Great Britain.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has represented many notable clients over the years, including a Boston Red Sox first faceman, a Catholic priest, and the longtime girlfriend of a mobster.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically the same his first rodeo.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's going to argue that Lindsay is not criminally responsible due to being over medicated and suffering from mental illness, specifically postpartum psychosis.
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  SPEAKER_00: The prosecution says Clancy was selfish and calculating when she killed her children.
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  SPEAKER_00: They believe she acted deliberately and reject that she was suffering any mental illness at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, this case has already had people divided.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you've got everyone failed her, she's not guilty, and you've got she's calculated and she planned this whole thing, guilty AF.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's not a lot of middle ground on this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not the familiar with the Andrea Yates story, check that out because that has a lot of similar vibes going on with it as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, let's start with the timeline of the events of the day of the murder, and then we'll get into what's happened the past week of trial.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the morning of January 24th, 2023, this is the day of the murders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay takes her five-year-old daughter, Cora, to a scheduled pediatrician appointment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Staff report no unusual behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: She returns home and goes outside with Cora and three-year-old Dawson to play in the snow.
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  SPEAKER_00: They build a snowman.
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  SPEAKER_00: She checks photos to her mother and the husband.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, no signs of distress.
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  SPEAKER_00: At 4.02 p.m., Lindsay does her first search on her phone for kids' mirrors.
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  SPEAKER_00: At 4.13 p.m., she then searches Takeout 3V, a restaurant in Plymouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Immediately after, she uses Apple Maps to calculate drive time from their Ducksbury home to 3v.
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  SPEAKER_00: Prosecutors say this was to determine how long someone would be gone if sent on an errand.
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  SPEAKER_00: At 4.47 p.m., Lindsay visits the CVS website and calls the Kingston CVS asking about children's Marillax.
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  SPEAKER_00: The manager reports her voice sounded normal, not slurred or impaired.
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  SPEAKER_00: At 4:53 p.m., Lindsay texts Patrick, who he's working in the basement, asking if he wants takeout from 3D.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her text says, I didn't cook anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been a long day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Prosecutors note this was unusual as they typically ordered takeout closer to home.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nonetheless, Patrick agrees.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, from around 5 to 5:15 p.m., kind of getting the errand ready, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like Lindsay asks Patrick to pick up the takeout.
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  SPEAKER_00: She asks him to stop at CBS to pick up the children's medication.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patrick leaves the house.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay is seen standing in the doorway holding baby Callan.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Dawson is on the couch eating chicken nuggets.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now the window of time, this is between 5:15, 6.05.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is where the prosecutors allege that Lindsay did everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So basically, she brings the children to the basement.
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  SPEAKER_00: She strangles each child using exercise bands, goes upstairs, retrieves a knife, cuts her wrists and neck, moves her bedroom furniture away from the window and jumps from the second story window, standing outside on the cement.
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  SPEAKER_00: During this period, Patrick did call Lindsay one time.
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  SPEAKER_00: She did not answer, but she did call him right back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they were on the phone for approximately 14 seconds.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patrick commented that Lindsay sounded normal, but maybe like she was in the middle of something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now we know what she was in the middle of doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: No witnesses report hearing anything unusual, you know, like people next door outside, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Around 6-11 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: is when Patrick arrives home, and he said the house was eerily quiet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you have had young kids, been around young kids, you know that three kids, there's a lot of noise.
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  SPEAKER_00: The house is never quiet.
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  SPEAKER_00: He finds the bedroom door locked, and then after forcing it open, he sees blood and then sees Lindsay on the ground outside, and he calls 911.
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  SPEAKER_00: Between 612 and 620, Patrick asks Lindsay where the kids are.
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  SPEAKER_00: She tells him in the basement.
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  SPEAKER_00: He runs downstairs and finds all three children with exercise bands around their necks.
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  SPEAKER_00: He screams to the 911 operator that she killed the kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he is basically on the phone with the 911 operator when he found his children.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then after 6:20 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: is when first responders arrive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cora 5 and Dawson 3 are transported to the hospital and pronounced dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Callan, seven months, is airlifted with severe injuries and dies three days later.
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  SPEAKER_00: The critical window of time in this, in this day is the 402 to the 611.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the prosecutors argue Lindsay planned the murders because she was researching medication, takeout, you know, travel time, sending Patrick on a timed errand, and using the window to kill the children and attempt suicide.
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  SPEAKER_00: The defense argues she was in a state of postpartum psychosis, not capable of criminal intent.
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  SPEAKER_00: So prosecution.
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  SPEAKER_00: They alleged the murders were premeditated.
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  SPEAKER_00: They argue Lindsay intentionally strangled the children using exercise bands.
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  SPEAKER_00: They previewed evidence showing planning behavior and medication inconsistencies.
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  SPEAKER_00: The defense's position was that it, you know, Lindsay admits that she killed the children, but he argues she was not criminally responsible due to postpartum psychosis and severe mental illness.
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  SPEAKER_00: They say she was over medicated by multiple providers.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find this interesting just because everything is, you know, digitalized, everything's in computers.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you get a prescription, you know, all doctors can see what other doctors have prescribed.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is something that kind of stood out to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patrick took the stand and he was basically there the entire day and he became emotional multiple times, which makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: He describes Lindsay's mental health history for us, and he lets us know that Lindsay's anxiety would worsen after each child's birth.
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  SPEAKER_00: He said her symptoms became far more severe in late 2022.
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  SPEAKER_00: She also told him she was suicidal and had intrusive thoughts, including thoughts of harming the children or fear something was wrong with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Between September 2022 and January 2023, Lindsay was prescribed multiple medications by at least three providers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Prosecutors showed him a bag of pill bottles, and he said he didn't know that she had taken so few of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: December of 2022 was the big spiral.
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  SPEAKER_00: She let Patrick know she felt addicted to her medications.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay told him she was suicidal and having intrusive thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she had spent multiple days in psychiatric hospitals in late December and early January.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay's behavior before the murders was different.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, Patrick testified that after discharge from psychiatric care, Lindsay seemed much better and she was no longer suicidal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then on the day of the murders, January 24th, 2023, Patrick says Lindsay was happy, in a good mood, and having one of her best days.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they exchanged photos of the kids throughout the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: One thing that has been said about people who are suicidal is that once they have their plan and they know what they're doing, there is this calmness about them because they now like they know what they're doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's resolution.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that's why she was happy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay cried at the details of the children's death while they were read aloud.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Patrick became emotional describing each child and recounting Lindsay's mental declined.
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  SPEAKER_00: Court ended early that day, around three.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's still on the stand.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a scheduling issue unrelated to the case, so that meant no testimony on Tuesday, and Patrick would resume on Wednesday.
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  SPEAKER_00: So day one is essentially establishing the two competing narratives of the trial.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, prosecution, Lindsay planned the murders, defense, Lindsay was in the grip of postpartum psychosis and over-medication.
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  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's testimony laying the emotional and factual foundation for both sides, detailing Lindsay's mental health struggles, medication history, and the events leading up to January 24th, 2023.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now we're day two, Patrick's on the stand again, final day.
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  SPEAKER_00: He finishes up that second day of testimony.
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  SPEAKER_00: But listen, if we thought day one was rough, day two was like, hold my beer, because the jury heard Patrick's 911 call.
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  SPEAKER_00: And only the jury, the audience, um, nobody there's publicly can't listen to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are the only thing that's released is the first responders' conversations with each other, but not actually Patrick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay cried as the audio played, and honestly, I'm I'm sure everyone else probably did too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So his testimony concludes after two days of direct, cross, and redirect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Emotional doesn't even begin to cover it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The 911 call was played, capturing Patrick's panic, horror, and desperation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay cried as jurors listened.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had two brief witnesses testifying while Patrick stepped off the stand, and then he returned for cross-examination.
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  SPEAKER_00: Court ended for the day after his testimony, which so basically day two, you know, trauma, tears, and the prosecution hammering home there.
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  SPEAKER_00: She planned this narrative while the defense tried to highlight Lindsay's mental unraveling.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got uh day three, which was the day of first responders, basically.
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  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, the prosecution ran out of witnesses.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love that for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the witnesses they did have, the first responders, which there were 10 of them, and their testimony was exactly what you'd expect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Chaotic, graphic, and devastating.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ten first responders testified, describing the scene inside the Clancy home as chaotic very quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paramedic Robert Costanzo testified that Lindsay was agitated but unconscious when treated after her jump.
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  SPEAKER_00: He gave her narchan, she didn't wake up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Police officer described Patrick's panic, finding Lindsay outside in the snow, drifting in and out of consciousness before he even realized that children were in the basement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Court ended early because the prosecution had no more witnesses ready.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Judge Sullivan basically said, we're out of schedule, so go home.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he explained that on Friday, the jury was going to be able to visit the Clancy home, the CVS, and the takeout restaurant.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they could uh walk through the prosecution's timeline of Lindsay sending Patrick out to create the window of time for the murders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Moving on to day three.
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  SPEAKER_00: So day two, emotional devastation, day three, logistical devastation.
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  SPEAKER_00: First responders painted the picture of what they walked into, and it was bleak.
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  SPEAKER_00: The prosecution continues pushing intentionality.
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  SPEAKER_00: The defense continues pushing postpartum psychosis.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the jury, they're probably wondering why they didn't pretend to be allergic to civil duty.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a tough one, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: There probably were some that were just like, nah, I'm not doing this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Day four.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically, pack your bags, kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going on a murder trial field trip, which for some of us would probably be pretty interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: The jury left the courthouse, and what the jury got to see, so the Clancy home, where prosecutors say Lindsay strangled her three children.
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  SPEAKER_00: So jurors were allowed inside the basement area, first floor, and second floor.
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  SPEAKER_00: The restaurant 3V, where Patrick picked up the takeout Lindsay ordered, they got to look at that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they also got to go to the Kingston CBS.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's you know, very exciting, where Patrick picked up Cor's medication.
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  SPEAKER_00: The judge told jurors this view was part of the evidence and could be used in deliberations.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay did not attend that tour.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so they went back into court after they did their little field trip.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we got to hear from some medical staff who treated the children in Lindsay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Got Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mark Tenowitz from Beth Israel ER, who treated Dawson, H3.
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  SPEAKER_00: He said that Dawson arrived with CPR already in progress, no pulse, no breathing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Staff worked on him for approximately 40 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: He never regained a pulse.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dawson was declared dead at 7:28 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay was noticeably crying during that.
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  SPEAKER_00: After we've got Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Benjamin Kaufman, also Beth Israel ER.
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  SPEAKER_00: He treated Callan eight months old.
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  SPEAKER_00: CPR was ongoing upon arrival.
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  SPEAKER_00: The team intubated him immediately.
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  SPEAKER_00: They briefly got his heart beating again after about 10 minutes, but he had no brain function at any point.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was flown to Boston Children's Hospital.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay again was sobbing at the defense table.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Melissa Arkitapen, South Shore Hospital Lab Supervisor, she testified about preserving Lindsay's blood and urine samples for state police.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we had police testimony.
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  SPEAKER_00: So multiple officers who monitored Lindsay at the hospital testified about her condition and injuries.
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  SPEAKER_00: Day four gave context and impact.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay's visible emotional reactions were noted repeatedly by reporters.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this was one of the prosecution's most emotionally heavy days so far.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Again, we had early dismissal.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was around one o'clock.
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  SPEAKER_00: Judge said that, hey, trial is ahead of schedule.
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  SPEAKER_00: Peace out.
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  SPEAKER_00: See you Monday.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: A wrap up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we've got a crime scene tour, a CVS tour, a takeout restaurant tour, return to court.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two devastating ER doctors, a lab tech, police officer, Lindsay sobbing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the judge, okay, that's enough trauma for one Friday, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: See you guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is last week's wrap-up of testimony in the Lindsay Clancy trial.
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  SPEAKER_00: Debating on how I want to work this, if I want to do something weekly and just kind of pull out the main details from it, an update, or if I want to do an episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not quite sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So stay tuned for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but for today, that will be it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for your support.
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  SPEAKER_00: Until next time, stay curious, stay skeptical.
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  SPEAKER_00: And remember, if you're asking like seriously, you're probably not the only one.