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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep.337 - A Clean Getaway · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to.
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  Speaker 4: I just got to know the Kennedy assassination.
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  Speaker 3: Did Oswald act alone?
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  Speaker 6: Want's up? Everybody? Everything's working tonight? A loser Its episode
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  Speaker 6: three thirty seven. Uh clean getaway. That's a clever play
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  Speaker 6: on words for what we're gonna be talking about here tonight.
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  Speaker 6: And U like we told the Wednesday show for members,
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  Speaker 6: this whole thing kind of gives me that acme building
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  Speaker 6: maintenance vibe. You know, it's one of those innocuous things
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  Speaker 6: that nobody really thinks about, but then somebody does a
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  Speaker 6: deep dive on it and you're like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 6: hold on a second, what in the hell. So tonight
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  Speaker 6: it's gonna be a fun episode. We are pleased to
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  Speaker 6: have a returning guest and author, James Day back on
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  Speaker 6: the show. But he didn't come alone. He brought one
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  Speaker 6: of our own. That's right. Paul Cummings is on the show.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome in Fellas. It's gonna be a crowded house tonight,
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  Speaker 6: but that's okay. Maybe like it. What's up, guys, how
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  Speaker 6: you doing going great?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pleasure to have you guys on. James back and
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  Speaker 2: then Paul making your Lone Gunman podcast debut. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: was telling the Wednesday show that we met at Campez's
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  Speaker 2: on the Thursday night for the twenty second this year
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  Speaker 2: and had a good time there. I believe Scott Edwards
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  Speaker 2: was at the table, a bunch of other people, I mean, Gail,
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  Speaker 2: David Boylan, Doug Campbell and it was a really fun time.
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  Speaker 2: And then a bunch of other people showed up and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: definitely pumped for this. Do you want to welcome a
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  Speaker 2: couple of people in first?
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  Speaker 6: Rob Sure Trey is in the house. I know, Jack
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  Speaker 6: messaged merelyer he won't be able to make it tonight.
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  Speaker 6: A Rocke at Queen Colleen is in the house, mister Ashley,
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  Speaker 6: what is up? Sir Scott is in the house? What's up? Scott?
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  Speaker 6: Bungle is in the house? We else, we got here.
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  Speaker 6: James Smith, Tiny Dancer, of course, Lovely, the lovely Sally
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  Speaker 6: McNamara from across the Pond. Sally, she's no analemo but
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  Speaker 6: uh no, I'm joking, Sally here, you're gorgeous. Two blocks North,
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  Speaker 6: Alpha sixty six. Big MIC's in the house. We're good.
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  Speaker 6: We gotta we gotta packed a bunch here. Looks like
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  Speaker 6: Brandon Baldrick is in the house. He's stuck in, so welcome, Welcome,
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  Speaker 6: one in all, this is gonna be a fun show,
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  Speaker 6: trust me. And when James messaged me with this, I'm like,
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  Speaker 6: what are you talking about? So let me throw up
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  Speaker 6: a picture first, just so everybody has a little context
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  Speaker 6: about what we're gonna be talking about here. And uh,
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  Speaker 6: thank you for sending me this photo because it's one
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  Speaker 6: of the clearest ones I've seen. So James, if you
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  Speaker 6: could explain to everybody what what we're looking at here.
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  Speaker 3: We are looking at seconds before President Kennedy is shot,
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  Speaker 3: and then he's about to turn onto elm and there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot going on in this picture. We don't normally
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  Speaker 3: focus a lot on the faces, because there's some interesting
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  Speaker 3: faces in this particular photo, but in this case, we
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  Speaker 3: are looking at that laundry truck in the foreground, a random,
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  Speaker 3: unoccupied laundry truck at one of the most devastating intersections
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  Speaker 3: in American history, and to my knowledge, it has never
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  Speaker 3: been explored in sixty plus years until now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been insinuated to be something sinister, like a
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  Speaker 6: communications center for the hit team or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: I think people thought it might have been a news
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  Speaker 6: truck at one time. But this really gets you nice
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  Speaker 6: and tight on there you can actually read what's on
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  Speaker 6: the side of the truck and sentence to me. I
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  Speaker 6: was very intrigued. So if wherever you guys want to
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  Speaker 6: start with this story is following me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna turn this over to Paul because
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  Speaker 3: he thanks to being on your show a while ago
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  Speaker 3: talking about the radical right, I was connected to Paul
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  Speaker 3: thanks to this podcast. This is really Paul's baby. He
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  Speaker 3: brought me in on it to kind of help put
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  Speaker 3: things together. But I'm going to turn it over to you, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: because you have man, you have just just dissected this
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  Speaker 3: thing for years now. So once you tell us a
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  Speaker 3: little bit about your how you got into it.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, Actually this probably goes back to when I was
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  Speaker 4: about eight or ninth grade when I first started out
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  Speaker 4: in the Kennedy assassination. It was due to my parents.
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  Speaker 6: My mom.
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  Speaker 4: And my dad were big JFK fans RFK fans, and
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  Speaker 4: so I always had to Kennedy background with me, and
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  Speaker 4: I started getting interested in probably about eight or ninth grade.
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  Speaker 4: And what really brought to the fore Fork like others,
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  Speaker 4: is best evidence. And quite frankly, I couldn't have got
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  Speaker 4: through that book it wasn't from mom. My mom was
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  Speaker 4: a nurse, so getting through that book was tedious, and
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  Speaker 4: with her being that really helped.
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  Speaker 6: I haven't read it since a lot of big words
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  Speaker 6: in that book.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So that kind of got me started.
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  Speaker 4: And when I first started looking at this picture, I
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  Speaker 4: often thought, well, why is that thing there?
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  Speaker 6: Did it get out a dumb truck or something.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't understand why that thing was there, And so
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  Speaker 4: as years ago on and it became I was like, well, why.
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  Speaker 7: Is it there?
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  Speaker 4: And then you didn't hear anything about this, like like
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  Speaker 4: a news story saying like ten years ago Bob Smith
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  Speaker 4: was the corner of Alm and Houston and the guy
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  Speaker 4: that had that truck character.
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  Speaker 7: You just heard nothing about it. So that kind of
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  Speaker 7: always got my interest.
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  Speaker 4: In about three years ago, I just decided to do
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  Speaker 4: a deep dive on it because they often say take
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  Speaker 4: one aspect of the JFK assassination research death, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what I did. I researched to death and I started
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  Speaker 4: about three years ago. And quite frankly, this this honesty
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  Speaker 4: that I've gone through here is blowing my mind. It's
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  Speaker 4: just things that I couldn't even comprehend that I'm coming
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  Speaker 4: up with so hopefully then it will be disclosed in
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  Speaker 4: future articles. But for now we're just gonna stick with
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  Speaker 4: the introduction. Maybe some of the players and you know
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  Speaker 4: who the owners were and workers and such.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Paul, can you see Sally's question there on the screen.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the bags from the laundry.
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  Speaker 6: That's the dirty laundry, right, So that's that's.
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  Speaker 4: The bags of the laundry. Yeah, on top of the truck,
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  Speaker 4: on the roof, on top of the truck.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, there's a source. We won't get into
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  Speaker 3: who he is yet. We don't want to say who
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  Speaker 3: this source is, but there is a guy very well
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  Speaker 3: connected with this laundry facility, still alive, who says, that's
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  Speaker 3: quite an awful lot of bad for just about noon. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: that should be the end of the end of a day, right, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: That should be what it looks like at the end
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  Speaker 3: of a day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I did some research and back in nineteen sixty six,
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  Speaker 4: Clean Towel, the company on the truck, had a massive fire.
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  Speaker 4: In today's terms, it's almost like five million dollars. And
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  Speaker 4: so I came across When I first started this project,
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  Speaker 4: I was looking for names associated with this company, and
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  Speaker 4: quite frankly, it was very hard to find, but there
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  Speaker 4: it was in a newspaper article and I got two
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  Speaker 4: names out of it. One I already knew who the
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  Speaker 4: general manager was, but the second one was the plant superintendent.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my gosh, I got a name.
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  Speaker 4: So went straight to ancestry, typed in the name and
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  Speaker 4: I found out that who he was. And good thing
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  Speaker 4: was that the relative was also an ancestry, so I
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  Speaker 4: was able to talk to him.
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  Speaker 7: So after a few discussions we.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of got long, so I said, can we take
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  Speaker 4: this over to email, because I don't want to clog
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  Speaker 4: up ancestry with the messages. So we took it over there,
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  Speaker 4: and during the course of the conversations, he proceeds to
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  Speaker 4: tell me that in sixty seven and sixty eight he
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  Speaker 4: used to work for Clean tal and he had the
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  Speaker 4: route that went through Dallas that that truck is at,
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  Speaker 4: and so he's the one that gave me the information
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  Speaker 4: in terms of and today it still bothers him. He
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  Speaker 4: said that truck is way too loaded for that time
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  Speaker 4: of day. He says, it's that person either got a
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  Speaker 4: real early start or and I don't think this happened
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  Speaker 4: or that truck was left there overnight, but that wasn't
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  Speaker 4: the case.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, one of the theories that has been out
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  Speaker 2: there it wasn't really fully researched, is that there was
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  Speaker 2: someone kind of laying down in the probe position, kind
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  Speaker 2: of using the bags as cover. I mean, not just
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  Speaker 2: one of the theories I ran out there. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's of course very interesting. I just want to give
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  Speaker 2: a quick PSA. I am dealing with a huge setness
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  Speaker 2: right now. So stomach firers of two days have been
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  Speaker 2: able to keep anything down. So if I go off
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  Speaker 2: the screen for a second, that is why. Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to bring something up because I was on
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  Speaker 2: the sixth floor website actually, and let's see, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to show this.
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  Speaker 3: Wrong one.
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  Speaker 1: And this is.
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  Speaker 2: It's a description, right, it's another angle. I think this
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  Speaker 2: is the right and it's pretty clear, I mean not
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  Speaker 2: as clear as the previous one. Is a little blurred
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  Speaker 2: in the truck obviously, if you were just looking at this,
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a
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  Speaker 2: news truck or a LNG or you might be able
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  Speaker 2: to do the launcher on top. But it wasn't obvious,
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  Speaker 2: and I just want to read a little of the
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  Speaker 2: note from the curator, Gary MCA time. One conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 2: suggests that the white truck visible in the background directly
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  Speaker 2: behind Governor Connolly had an assassin on its roof, hidden
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  Speaker 2: among the cargo. The truck with Clean Towel and Linden
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  Speaker 2: Service Company on the side, as seen as in a
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  Speaker 2: picture by Associated Press photographer James Alkins, was a vehicle
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  Speaker 2: for a dry cleaning operation based nearby in Fort Worth
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  Speaker 2: doing business in the Dallas Fort Worth area. Dallas police
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  Speaker 2: stopped all moving traffic through Dealey Plaza only moments before
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  Speaker 2: the Kennedy motorcade arrived, and the truck was stuck at
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  Speaker 2: the crosswalk in the northernmost lane of westbound Elm Street.
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  Speaker 2: The truck's location at the time of the assassination would
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  Speaker 2: therefore appear to be merely circumstantial. And again that's the
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  Speaker 2: sixth form museum saying that. But so you know, allegedly
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  Speaker 2: they stopped, you know, police blocked off this street probably
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  Speaker 2: what five to ten minutes before, maybe that was longer
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  Speaker 2: than that, longer than that, maybe twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at the testimony of Lee Bauers. He
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  Speaker 4: talks about police cordon off the area at ten am,
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  Speaker 4: and there was three officers assigned to the corner of
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  Speaker 4: Elm in Houston, and I believe the earliest police person
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  Speaker 4: that got there was like nine to forty five, and
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  Speaker 4: I think the latest was about ten to fifteen. And
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  Speaker 4: if y'all know about about the traffic around there during
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  Speaker 4: that time, I mean the school boy at Depository parking
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  Speaker 4: lot was built. They started parking along you know, Commerce
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  Speaker 4: and Maine along you know the other side of Elm there.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that van was sitting there a lot
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  Speaker 4: longer than just ten to fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Also, Paul, is the driver? Do we think the drivers
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  Speaker 3: in the vehicle at this time?
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  Speaker 4: No, No, he's he's he's noe. Well, I should say
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  Speaker 4: the person is nowhere to be found, right, Do.
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  Speaker 2: We know who the driver was based on any I
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  Speaker 2: mean records from the company.
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  Speaker 7: I have a good candidate that will come later on.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I think it's I think it's important to
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  Speaker 3: note and Paul, I mean that we're we're very we're
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  Speaker 3: really trying to im Paul's I'm really following Paul's lead
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  Speaker 3: on this. He's really trying to avoid any kind of
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  Speaker 3: speculation and just trying to get all like as much
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  Speaker 3: as fact based as possible. So I would say the
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  Speaker 3: idea of being put out there that there that this
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  Speaker 3: is a sniper nest is we're very skeptical about that.
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  Speaker 3: Is that fair to say, Paul?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you look at the I think
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  Speaker 4: it's not very that did the analytic analysis of where
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  Speaker 4: the shot projections came from. They didn't come up with
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  Speaker 4: that area being in the truck. Typically that the dal
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  Speaker 4: tex was one of the areas that they came from
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  Speaker 4: from that area. So, as far as I can tell,
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  Speaker 4: unless we get science that proves otherwise, I don't believe
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  Speaker 4: shots were fired from that area.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would probably be a lot, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: who knows, if anybody who's using for that, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it'd be perfect, you know.
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  Speaker 3: M Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, so, we saw in the
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  Speaker 2: photo a ton of people, dozens, right in front of
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  Speaker 2: the truck, right lined up across the street. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like you would have heard because you know, Dealey Plata,
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  Speaker 2: the testimony, there's a bunch of different things and people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, giving crazy different testimony, contradictory testimony, all throughout
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  Speaker 2: the plaza. I don't know of anyone that was standing
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  Speaker 2: near Elm in Houston that said they said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it must say a silencer on the truck. It would
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  Speaker 2: be pretty obvious that you see people turning around, the
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  Speaker 2: people right in front of the truck, which goes to
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  Speaker 2: the point that there probably wasn't a sniper in there.
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  Speaker 6: But maybe they threw a firecracker from the truck. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: but but there.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's something going on. But just to your
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  Speaker 2: point with not just going off with speculation, and one
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  Speaker 2: of the questions I had down here is have you
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  Speaker 2: explored any witness statements of people that were standing on
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  Speaker 2: that intersection that may have mentioned it in some type
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  Speaker 2: of random testimony?
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  Speaker 4: None?
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  Speaker 6: None, And do you know if it was caught on
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  Speaker 6: film or any other pictures as it was leaving Daly Plaza?
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  Speaker 4: Nope, disappears, Yeah, it just disappears. There's a photo of
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  Speaker 4: the truck behind it, like James just said about twelve
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  Speaker 4: thirty nine, but there's nowhere to be seen about where
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  Speaker 4: the truck went the clean Town our truck, Yeah, truck.
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  Speaker 6: We either had to go straight on to Elm or
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  Speaker 6: make a left on to Houston one or the other, the.
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  Speaker 4: Only place that could have gone. And this is not
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  Speaker 4: earth shattering about to say, is it took a rite.
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  Speaker 7: And I got proof on that.
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  Speaker 6: Is that done when the dead ending back then?
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  Speaker 7: No, it was not really.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, huh, I thought it get ended there.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you tell a little bit more about that, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: you're based on what you you're the testimony there that
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  Speaker 3: you put together.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if you look at it's kind of a backstory here.
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  Speaker 4: But if you there was a newsman by the name
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  Speaker 4: of Samuel Pate who was working for K Box, and
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  Speaker 4: K Box was a radio station and they were covering
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  Speaker 4: the motorcade and what they did was they passed off
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  Speaker 4: as the motor kid went along and Samuel Pate was
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  Speaker 4: supposedly waiting over the Triple Underpass waiting for the Motorkaide
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  Speaker 4: to arrive so they could follow it to the Trademark.
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  Speaker 4: And so what happened was obviously we know what happened,
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  Speaker 4: and they spun around Samuel Pate and he took the
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  Speaker 4: back entrance and went through Houston up through to the
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  Speaker 4: back of the school. But the positive he said he
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  Speaker 4: was there in about four to five minutes. Now during
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  Speaker 4: that time, Pate was also with another person and they
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  Speaker 4: were sitting there for a good amount of time, for
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  Speaker 4: about four or five minutes, is what he said. And
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  Speaker 4: again I don't want to get in too much details
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  Speaker 4: because it kind of plays into what we're talking about
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  Speaker 4: here for future articles. But the idea here is that
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  Speaker 4: it definitely did take a right turn there, and what
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  Speaker 4: I'm basing upon that is the testimony of James Romack.
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  Speaker 4: James Romack was behind the school book depository and he
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  Speaker 4: indicated that when he was back there. Of course, he's
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  Speaker 4: the one that said he didn't see anybody, you know,
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  Speaker 4: leave the school book depository if you look at his testimony.
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  Speaker 4: But what he also says in the testimony was he
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  Speaker 4: let a truck go by. He had to let a
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  Speaker 4: truck go through by. Well, if you look at the
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  Speaker 4: K Box radio station, it was a red station wagon.
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  Speaker 4: So you can't confuse a truck letting a truck go
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  Speaker 4: through from the K Box radio station. That was a
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  Speaker 4: red station wagon. So there's there's testimony there about where
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  Speaker 4: this truck went and it did.
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  Speaker 7: And just look at his testimony.
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  Speaker 4: He says to it, he says, I let a truck
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  Speaker 4: go through. Well, he didn't say the K Box truck
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  Speaker 4: because that was a station wagon.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because I figured if it would have came down Elm,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: somebody would have called it on a film, or it'd
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: be in a picture or something of the aftermath, you
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: know what I mean?
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Right, and Rob, you are somewhat right. Romanc talks about
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: that there was boards actually over the tracks. So that's
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: how the K Box station way red station wagon came up,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: was going over those.
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: Boards that are over the tracks to.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Get to the school buck depository.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Interesting boards over the railway tracks.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, well, yeah, I wonder if that was something
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: they did all the time, or if just in case
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: somebody needed to cross him. Who knows, I don't know. Huh. Interesting,
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: But now let's get into uh, let's get back to
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: the company. Yeah, if you can start with his origins,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: I think they're in California right way back.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: So yeah, So.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Clean Towels established in nineteen fifty eight. It was between
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: three people on the original document, with one other person
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: being the recording agent.
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: The three people were W. J.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Newle. He's kind of a legend in the Fort Worth area.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: He's kind of an outspoken Oh, how can I describe him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: James would probably do a better job of describing him.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: He was just an.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, the political guy, writes columns,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: writes opinions on the newspaper. He had a lot of
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: opinions to say about what's happening politically, locally and nationally.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: And the other person was a person by the name
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: of Benjamin Lewis or bj Lewis. He worked at Bay
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: the name excuse me now, sorry, I'm drawing a blank
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Bell helicopter. He was a photo inspector for Bell Helicopter.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: Not in Sinister there, not in Sinister there. He I
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: talked to my brother about this.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: My brother's an aviation and what they would do is
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: a photo inspector would look and find try to find
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: cracks in the wings to make sure the plane was okay.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: And that makes sense based upon what this guy did.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: And the third person was an attorney by the name
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: of Alan Connor. And Alan Connor was at one time
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: well was the campaign director Coke Stephenson who ran against
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: LBJ in nineteen forty eight unsuccessfully. That was the old
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: landslide Linden win when they found the box and uh.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: And then the fourth person end up being the general
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: manager's name was Mark Sutton, and Mark Sutton has ties
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: to a history with the real owner, uh, who is
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: based out.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Of l A. So, so I just think it's important
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to mention that the that the this in court, this art,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: this article in corporation that Paul is talking about, it
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: indicates three four or what four Texas natives?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Paul right, three three and the recording agent was with Suttman.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Who But these guys are all buddies.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, well not J Lewis as far as I can tell.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: These three people that got together, Uh, they were Masons. Okay,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: they were Masons and din w J.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Newell have write something about JFK and his cat click.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: What does he call it?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: The papacy and the Catholic hierarchy?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Was that him?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Yes? And that's wow. I was thankful for James that
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: he came on board. James, you can talk about that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So Paul, Paul did this amazing research and then
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: called me after appearing on your show and kind of
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: so you want to see what I what I've been
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: doing here. I was frankly honored. And we kind of
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: started with Nowell who wrote in nineteen sixty basically let's
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: just call it op ed warning that you know rhetoric
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: you have noticed before if you've studied like the Minute
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Men or you know, the John Bircher's they've come out
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and said things like voting for Kennedy is basically a
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: vote for the pope and that, you know, being Catholic,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: you know he's going to be you know, loyal to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: not to the American people, but you know, to the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: to the head of state of the Vatican essentially. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it's a long piece that just got going. I mean,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: it's a letter from this guy Newell, who who really
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: showed his colors there, so we at least have a
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: have something there already that kind of puts these folks again,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: we don't want to speculate or just be so broad
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that says every one of these guys is along with
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: the same lines as nowle He was very outspoken throughout
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: his whole life in politics, and you know, looking through
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: with the newspapers. But that's an indication that there's something
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: going on there, at least in terms of the nineteen
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: sixty campaign.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, same mindset. Yeah wow.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And did you say Alan Connor, the other guy on
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the I guess the board of directors ran against LBJ
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: in a local election in the late forties.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: Or what did I know?
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: He was a campaign manager in Tarrett County for the
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: apparent counties.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, got it, thank you? Yeah, fascinating.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So Paul has established that we have this nineteen
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: this is in fifty eight with that article, these articles,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the article of incorporation lisz Connor newall right, yeah and Lewis.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: But it's actually owned, as you guys know, and this
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: is kind of amazing. It's kind of owned by someone
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: out of California, Paul you want.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: To Yeah, his name, his name was Manuel Turrets, based
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: out of LA And that's one of the things I
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: didn't really understand. Here you are looking at the artles
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: In Corporation. And it wasn't really till later. Where I
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: found a lot of these documents is on the Tarrant
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: County website. My first goal was to find out, okay,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: who owned this place? I mean, who was this person
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: owned this? So I went through the Tarrant County Titles
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: and Deeds area and that's how I came up with
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the artles In Corporation. But later on I found a
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: document where there was a fire at Clean Towel in
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty and this manual. Turrets was hiring a person
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: by the name of Sidney Levine to be his attorney
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: to represent Clean Towel because they had a fire in
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty and I'm like, well, wait a minute, here,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: who's this guy? I mean, you know, didn't make any
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: sense to me about seeing the articles in corporation. He's
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: not even present. But then I see this this document
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: indicating that he's getting fire. Well, it turned out later
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: on that he was the true owner of the company
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: and he's based out of LA.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: What did the company exist in California?
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: First, No, No, We found out there was a later
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: on there was a lawsuit between.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: Turrets and Mark Sutton which actually identified.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Their contract that they had, and they had a contract
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: that was done in May of nineteen fifty eight, even
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: before the company officially got incorporated in June of fifty eight.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: So they had a contract agreement back in May of
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty eight. And that's what Turrets brought into the
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: lawsuit was this contract. Because after the fire in nineteen
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: sixty six, which devastated the place, something ended up leaving
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: in January of nineteen sixty seven, and that's how it
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: got brought out about his contract.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: So was there was it kind of like a merger
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: or was it one the other one or no?
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, So Turet's Manuel Turret's is like his. He
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: is a laundry guy. Like he basically goes around and
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: starts laundry facilities throughout California. I mean, he was born
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, but he really made his market in southern California. Right,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: So he's launching facilities and he as one of his
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: guys that he kind of sends out to manage a place.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Is this guy Mark Suffon, who though a Texas native,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: is spending a lot of time in southern California working
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: for Turets. So when the clean Towel facility that we're
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: talking about it opens in Fort Worth, it's Sutton who
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: is sent back.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: To run like a franchise.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: There's a previous relationship even before this. In nineteen forty,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Sutton was out in Los Angeles and he was working
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: for what was then under Turret's company called Crescental, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: he was working for them, So there was a previous
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: relationship that they had before him coming over to Fort Worth.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: They had been together in LA in nineteen forty. How
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: long he worked for them, It's hard to It's hard
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: to say that was discovered on his World War Two
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: draft card that he had worked there, and obviously with
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Tretsby and the owner kind of made sense that they
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: would be working together. But it was like eighteen years later.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: All right, I think I got you now, yeah, you are?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: We are we kind of being clear and sort of
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: at least.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: The yeah yeah. I just wanted to try to clear
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: things up that occurred to me that might not be
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: clear to the audience as well. But oh, the Mark
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: Stuffing guy. I remember following one of the links from
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: your article, which by the way, is attached. You can
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: find it in the show notes here below the video
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: if you want to read their article overall medium, which
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: I highly suggest you do. But one of the hot
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: links takes you to the Suffing contract. I think it
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: was that dude was making some pretty good money for
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: the late fifty He had a pretty sweet deal, right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The other thing about Mark Suttan is that he
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: obviously he has experience in this. Just to let you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: he has gone back and forth between Fort Worth and
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: l a number of times. He's raised in the Fort
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Worth area. He went to school with a lot of
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: the people you're gonna read in future articles with him.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: That's That's another thing I want to point out to people.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: You're gonna if you continue to read our articles, you're
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: gonna find these are not names you're gonna be familiar
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: with the jfk assassination.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: They're just not there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: So if you're looking for the David Phillips or Joean
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: eighties or David Morriles, that that's not gonna be here
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: for you. These are gonna be all new names until
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: later on that you're gonna you're not gonna be able
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: to recognize.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: Got you?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just I just pulled up that contract.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Rob Mark Sutton was making one hundred and seventy dollars
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a week, plus I had one hundred dollars expense account.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: So I just did the quick.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Math in my car.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: Oh really, yeah, you got a car on it too.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's making about eight hundred dollars a month,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you know, easy math or just for inflation, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a little over eight thousand.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: That's that's not a year from you know, in today's money.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: I guess, yeah, so I think.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: It's important to point out that this clean towel and
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: linen service is not like your local dry cleaner or
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: laundry math that you would walk in and get that
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: hoodie pressed. Paul, you know it is, and Paul will
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: tell you about this. It is a business to business
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: and this is important because and it's also out of
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Fort Worth, so it's in Dallas. That's a it's an issue.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I mean there was a Dallas, Dallas account, but it's
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: a Fort Work based company in Dallas, US. But and
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Paul will will eat this up. When they went and
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: tried to find where the Eisenhower type jacket was cleaned,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: that was because the laundry tag. Yeah, Paul, what what
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: did they find when they went to look for when
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: they went to look at clean.
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: Towel, well, they didn't.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Clean coal is not mentioned anywhere in the Warren report.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: And take it to another level when they found the
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: cleaning tag in Oswald's jacket. They scoured over four hundred
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: cleaning establishments in Fort Worth in Dallas. Guess which one
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: they didn't cover?
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: You got the kill?
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: No, not in the gambling port.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Nothing can be seen in regards to clean town on
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the gambling report.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because don't they list each one in the in
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: that report, like, yeah, it's a lot, you know, Yeah,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: that's a lot, page after page after page.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, so that's an anomaly and just trivia that
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I think we should get out of the way. But
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: it's it's kind of juicy. Is that the locate Paul?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Where is clean towel based? Address wise in Fort Worth?
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Boy, now you're gonna get me to a real direction here.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: But I think it's important. It's it's juicy. Not sure
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: what you mean, Jeers the locate who who was a
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: half mile away in sixty two?
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: Oh well, it's kind of cool.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: You want me to do it?
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, you do it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: So the location for the facility is two four three
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: one Wisenberger Street. I think it's a half mile away.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: A half mile away easy one street over?
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah? Maybe right? Is what maybe a black or two
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: something like that?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you could walk past it is
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Oswald's is Oswald's Fort Worth apartment that he rented in
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: summer of sixty.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Two on Mercedes Avenue, Right, that's right now.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: The landlord is in if you remember Chester, Alan Riggs.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: He actually gives an affidavit in the War Report, a
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: little bit of minutia. He actually sues something chester Alan Riggs.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I thought that was kind of weird.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: So Oswalla's landlord ends up suing something for what dirty towels.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, no, but I think I think what probably
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: happened in that case when the lawsuit because it was settled.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: And the other thing I want to point out is.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Everything that I've researched always, I always say to myself,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: I got to pull it back to November twenty second,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three. I said that to James. I'm like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: everything's got I mean, if we answer, we go into
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: something that's got to answer what what's relevant to November
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: twenty second, nineteen sixty three. And so I believe what
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: happened there was that when Clean Tile had their fire,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I think they probably were looking for a place to
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: hold their offices and stuff like that. So I think
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: that's how they came across the Rigs guy. But again,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: it just kind of goes the aspect of there's, like
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: James said, there's a lot of anomalies in terms of
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: what's going on with this company.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Now. When Turets and Sutton had their suit and we
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: talked about that earlier after the fire. The same attorney
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: in this suit was it for who is I can't
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: remember who the representative, if it's for Turets or for something,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: Remembering it was for Threttes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: The attorney for Turets is the same attorney as Marguerite
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: os Waltz in the suit against King Candy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, remember that? Remember the jar coming down in Marguerite?
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: I believe the attorney for Marguerite was Kelly Jacobs, and
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Kelly Jacobs actually end up leaving the firm later on,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: but the same attorneys, most of the same attorneys stayed.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: But the attorney that represented Marguerite Oswall's name was Kelly Jacobs.
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: He ended up leaving later on.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I think he rejoined the Air Force, and if I'm
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: not mistaken, he might have in betted in the Vietnam War.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: WHOA, Yeah, that's crazy. I know there was somebody was
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: asking me about I can't remember if it was that
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: attorney specifically or one of the other ones for that
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: same company or whatever firm that that lawyer was a
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: part of.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: That.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: There's some rabbit hole there as well. I can't for
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: remember what it was, but that they ended up representing
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: somebody else that we've all heard of. But yeah, it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: either that lawyer specifically or the firm that he worked
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: for was a little suspect as well.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of comments here. I started, I want
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on from a little before. Tiny
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Dancer said, the silver trailer behind the laundry truck is
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: supposed to have been the Army Intel communications unit. And
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I've heard of this allegation, this rumor that the Army
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Intel had a truck somewhere near Dailly Plaza to kind
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: of gather all there's films or radio or whatever they
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: were doing, and that might have been the truck behind
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It was kind of like a.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: Tractor trailer, like a roadway truck.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and some people also I thought that that might
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: have been the laundry truck, but again that's kind of
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: a guess. Scott Edwards, the truck drives with all those
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: laundry bags left on top.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: Well, here's a funny story.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: So in talking to the gentleman who drove that truck,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: he told a story about why it was an awful
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: job because he relayed that those bags on top a
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: lot of those times that would be like restaurants grease,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: and he said it just stunk.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: And what made it even worse, he said, was that
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: he would drive that truck. It could only go forty.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Five miles prior no air conditioning, and he says it
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: was just just hell driving that thing during the summer
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: because there's no air conditioning if you think about it
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: in the Texas seat. So he said it was just
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: a miserable job in terms of the time it took
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: to get to his route and just the Texas summers.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: H that is. See that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: That's great that you get those little anecdotes from that, right, Yeah, funny.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: And and this is a closer picture. I believe this
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: is the the Bell screenshot or picture, and you could
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: see that there's a little there's a little fence like
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: probably like a chicken wire or something that that keeps
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the laundry bags from obviously.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: Until you had a big ass pothole and boom, although
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: they don't look.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: That high and the laundry bags are definitely piled higher
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: than that. So I guarantee you that happened at some point.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: I guarantee the driver said screw it too. And never
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: went back.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: If you even saw it, right, Yeah, I mean, how
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: would you know unless you're looking in your you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: your side of mirrors.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Hey, Larry, you're a couple of bags short day.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Like James brought it up. I think one of the
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: things that makes clean Town a little bit unique was
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: they were more business to business. They didn't have a
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: retail location. You just couldn't go there and drop off,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: so they dealt with hotels, restaurants. That was their ball
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to their business. Well, we also find out that that
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: necessarily wasn't the case because in the lawsuit we found
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: out that they actually serviced some retail locations. So although
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: they didn't have a walk up area, they did service
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: some laundry locations in the Fort Worth area.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And that's perfect that you said that. It's a great
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: segue answer this next question. They would have access to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the buildings too, sads bungled and I think what he
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: means here is access to the buildings, not during.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Their regular time.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I asked the driver that specific question and the answer
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: is no, they did not have keys. They did not
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: have keys. I asked them specifically that question. I'm like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: did you have the bility because when I saw the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: laundry on top of the truck. I'm thinking, Okay, the
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: guy gets started early. He goes into the places and
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: he's like, no, no, he said that was the case,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: and I'd have to come back and make the route again.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Brandon's out here blessing people five memberships. Thank you Brandon.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, Brandon is the goat.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And uh.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: You too? What's up?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: John?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave a five dollars super chapter four two
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and you guys were speaking, but we gave a thumbs up,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: So thank you for that as well. And last thing
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I have started here. It's crazy that a Fort Worth
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: laundry would have a regular business in downtown Dallas. The
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: cities are not that close and traffic would have been
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: an issue even then. Well, what you said with the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: gumbling thing, was it four hundred other places that they
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: looked at?
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, how could there be?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm not doubting that. How can there be
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: four hundred laundry places in Dallas?
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: Remember we're talking about retail laundry mats.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Because they were looking for the os Welds ticket to
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: see where that would come from, all them on pop
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: places to see if you went there.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I see I see so yeah, so I mean and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Devil's Advocate. Maybe that's why they didn't include this place
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: is because they knew it was maybe business to business. Uh,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: just something that came to our mind just now. But
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: thank you for the comments guys.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: And some of these some of these laundry businesses that
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: could have sub jobbed out some of their dry cleaning
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: business or something to this company to do for them.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know, just throwing that out.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: There, right, So some facilities I actually worked at a
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: dry cleaner during undergrad are off offshoot store didn't have
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: any cleaning facilities. It would get sent to our place.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: So I think that's like what you're saying, right, I mean,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you would just do it like a drop
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: off at the corner deli next to You're right, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: they would run it to the to the shop to
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: actually do the.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Cleaning dry cleaning, but they offered the service. You drop
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: your sh it off and then they send it out
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: and it comes back and then you know that type
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: of thing, you.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Know, proxy clean, especially if you're like you said, like
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of the restaurants and like hotel towels or
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: maybe harder to clean than you needed heavier duty your equipment.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't know exactly how big their warehouse was
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: or what type of equipment they had, but I'm guessing
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: it was significant, probably top of the line at that time.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of interesting. In my hometown here last year,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: we have a laundry facility that's family owned. It's been
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: around over sixty years. And I actually talked to the
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: owner and I was asking them about the business because
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Clean Towel had a lot of fires and it is
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: always like perplexed. I mean, if you go through some
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: of the four Worth Star Telegram. I mean even the
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: year that it burned down, later on, they were still
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: having fires there. And so I was talking about that
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: and he said, that's pretty much a regular occurrence. So
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: any kind of idea that they were trying to do
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: it for insurance purpose and stuff like that, he doubted it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: But the other thing I shared with him is because
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: I knew the original square footage of Clean Towel, and
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: I asked him, I said, okay, it's twelve thousand square feet.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: How many employees do you think they had and how
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: many laundry trucks do you think they had? And he
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: said twelve thousand square feet, you're probably talking about anywhere
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: from thirty to thirty five employees. And he said, truck wise,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: you're talking about five to seven. Not got verified by
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: the driver that I talked to. He said, Yeah, we
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: had anywhere from five to seven trucks, and we always
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: had one or two.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: I think it's at.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Least one truck was there that wasn't being used in
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: case one broke down.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, Paul, I love the just
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the thought process of asking your local guy about it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You're trying to get some insight about it. It's just great.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: I love it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's awesome.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: It's been fun.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: It's one of the things that I've really gotten a
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: joy out of this is is talking to people I've
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I've talked to, actually, I've talked to a family relative
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: of Turrets, Sutvin lesh Lesh, the daughters of Robert Lesh.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: I'm not making a joker their heroes to me.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: We're gonna explain a little bit more in future articles
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: about about them. But the information they shared about me
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: with Robert Lesh, he's gonna really make people's eyes really
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: stand out when they hear about Robert Lesh.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Wow. Wow.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: And Rob has this question in his head. I'm gonna
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: ask it for him. Any relation to phil Lesh with
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the Grateful Dead.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Nah, that doesn't worry.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: I know, I actually know a guy in real life
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: named Mark Sutton. That's crazy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: How's he spell it?
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: He spells an I N not Okay?
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's Mark Sutvin when he first uh when
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: you know, he's first spelled his name phi n, but
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: later on became phn.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: Okay, could be a just relative. I mean, it's kind
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: of a weird legend. You know, who knows ancestry can
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: answer that question.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: So Paul cut me loose on, let me run wild
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: on the La connections. And it's mentioned in the article.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I thought this was kind of a little strange. We
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: mentioned earlier that in La Torretz's business wasn't called Clean
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Towels Crescent Towel, And I think it's because in the
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: area that he lived, it's Crescent Heights, which is sort
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of Hollywood, sort of Beverly Hills at that time, a
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: lot more mod pop than it is now. So you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: but he was living quite well. I mean, you look
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: at these addresses of his former residence and you look
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: up on maps these days, it's like Wow, these are
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: worth a lot of money. But so I was going
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: deep into trying to find clients. Is there anything about
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: this Crescent towel when he was running the LA Yeah,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. Well it came across an ad an
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: ad the Turrets through Crescent Towel serviced the Angelust Temple. Now,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: if you remember we were talking about the Angelist Temple,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that was where Wesley Swift was a student and became
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: who eventually became Wesley Swift of KKK infamy, And we
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: spoke about him, a rifle instructor for the KKK, major
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: figure in the far right, pushed the serpentcy theology that
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: anyone who isn't white, that the white people are really
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: the lost tribes of Israel. And you know that Jesus
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: was white, and the radical right sort of militia mind
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Turet's service that particular church. Moreover, at this time, this
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: was in the thirties, according to this ad that Tourett's
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: was working the that the that he had the account
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: of Angela's Temple. Not only was Swift out of Angela's Temple,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: but so was a fellow called Reverend Theodore Jackman. Now,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: if you have remember my previous show with you guys.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Per Willie Summer said, Theodore Jackman was named as one
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: of the shooters in Dealey Plaza. Sounds unbelievable, but that's
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: what Somerset said. Per Milteer, that Jackman was one of
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: the shooters. I think it's really odd that the owner
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: of Clean Toddle wants service the same place where Ted
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Jackman was a kind of a professor. Yeah, so that
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I put that in the art of going with the
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: ad showing.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: That all you know, extreme far right wingers KKK.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: See, I see where you're going with d Yeah.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's where James has really helped out.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: I actually joked with my wife before talking with James
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: that I said, one day, I'm like, I'm I'm gonna
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: have to find a cheap airfare to LA because there's
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: too much of what I'm seeing between Fort Worth and
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Los Angeles. I can do things in Fort Worth, I've
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: been there a few times, but LA is out of
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: my territory. So when James told me he was from
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: that area, it's like, oh my gosh, what a blessing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say something just to kind of dangle
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: further neck for future things, But I think it's just
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I gotta get it out there. Paul. I just got
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: to sure Terrette was Jewish. And Jackman, this Theodore Jackman
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: was a Christian Zionist, so he was although he was
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: a minister, a Christian minister, he was out there promoting
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: the Zionist cause leading up to the creation of the
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: State of Israel in forty eight. And we know that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: We can just look at old newspapers and see him
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: going around showing he was supposedly a Palestinian expert of
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: antiquities and stuff like that. So that's another connection. I mean,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: not only not only there is there is a heavy
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Zionist influence in Clean Towels behind the scenes.
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: Would just take us where the evidence goes.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Including a gun runner for the Haganah, which is the
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Israeli defense before it was the State of Israel, there
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: was gun running coming from the US to Israel illegally.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: This is not anctioned by anybody. You're you're running arms
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: to another country. This gentleman, we've mentioned him already in
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: the show, but he was very close to Clean Towel.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Uh So, one way or the other, there's a Zionist connection.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: And I have to say, I don't. I don't mean
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking. I think Zionism as a political movement
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: is a lot different than talking about Judaism. So I
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: want to mention that that I'm that's that's I'm you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about in that time in history too.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: You know, you got they got a much different perspective
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: on any thing we do here now, you know.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna answer a question here for Trey.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: He's not asking it, but he said Fort Worthians were
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: like their leader.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: I'm on Carter.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: The land that uh clean tiles at twenty four to
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: thirty one Weisenberger was land donated to the city of
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Fort Worth. My I'm on Carter.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: I just think that I actually just looked that address
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: up on Google Maps and it appears to be gone
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: now and there's a parking lot, but you kind of
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: see around that there's these big shed like warehouses no windows.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Uh, the facility is still there, It's just not a
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: laundry place anymore.
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: M Oh well, Google Maps sucks.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: Then No, I got a picture of it, but.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: Want to look at it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I went years ago.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: I tried to get in the guy wasn't too happy
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: with me trying to wanting to go into the building.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: He said, you guys gotta start. You guys got to
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: leave me alone. I said, okay, I walked away. I
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: wasn't there to be, you know, adversary or anything like that,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: So I just walked away and took pictures. That is it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: This is it.
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you see a bunch of laundry fokes backing up
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: to this thing and getting uloaded. Yep. See when when
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: I first sit me here, I was facing this way.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: Ah yeah, and I said twenty four thirty seven Wisenberger Street,
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: like the address that I put into isn't there anymore.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: But all I had to do was turn around.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The fire was really devastating. Back in sixty six.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I actually talked to the suffan's daughter about it, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: it was it was very devastating and very hard for
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: their family.
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: And I mean, obviously they got through it now.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: But because one of the questions I had was when
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I went to Fort Worth a couple of years ago,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: because this facility had so many fires, I looked to
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: see if I can get fire reports on it, and
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I got nowhere with that. So when I talked to her,
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: She's like, no, that was a ventilation fire. And I'm like, okay,
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: that makes sense. And when I talked to my contact
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: here locally, he said, yeah, that's pretty common.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Oya, not Arson after Arson after Arson, Right, bad insurance
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: for aud insurance for all correct.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, James Smith might have had the comment of the night,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: was there a lot of spontaneous uncontrolled cursing at Turette's
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: But James, it is spelt t u r etz but
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: still a funny comport.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: So let me tell you, guys a story that I
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: came across and how I got it. So I was
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: having a hard time finding a lot of employees and names.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of my names to the documents
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: through Terreant County, the titles and deeds, and so finally
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I got so fed up I actually went on ancestry
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: and went through the nineteen sixty fort Worth directory, a
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: city directory.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: And the reason why I did nineteen sixty.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, Clayton towns established in nineteen fifty eight,
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: it's a good year two years where they've got established.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Now that I can find some employees. So I looked
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: through the A's nothing there. I go through the bees,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: nothing there. I go through the seas and there's clean talent,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: general manager. Nothing. After the seas, I go through the
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: d's nothing there. And finally I go to the f
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: and I finally found someone by the name of Eldorez Fabla.
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: Finally I go to ancestry. I type in the name.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: It's the only place this guy shows up nowhere else
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: in ancestry. And if you look at his name Eldador's
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Fabla in parentheses, it says tony, meaning that's either his
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: partner or his wife. Nowhere else be found anywhere. So
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I get really and I'm really annoyed by this, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: I said, well, wait a minute. Here they have his
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: address here, listen, is thirty two oh seven Alis Avenue.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: I'll go check the titles and transfers indeed and see
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: if there's anything on there. And that's how I came
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: out with the name of Scott Daily. And if you
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: read our article about who Scott Daily is, I would
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: suggest you go and take.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: A look at it.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: He is listen that he was a laundry owner as well.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: He had a laundry facility himself. He is listed in
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: the gambling report, but he also has another occupation that
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: he likes to do, and that is nineteen sixty three.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: In the summer of nineteen sixty three, he got named
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: to the aviation board at Meetcham Airport. So everyone talks
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: about Redbird. Mine's not Redbird, it's Meetcham Airport.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, could you for me and some of the audience
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: describe where Meetcham Airport is in relation to Redbird and
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: maybe Dallas.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: Redbird's in Dallas, but meeting's in Fort Worth?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha?
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: Gotcha?
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Sorry about that? Yeah, it's in Fort Worth?
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I did not know that.
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: Is there a big ass airport in Fort Worth?
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: Now that's a smaller it's more of a private.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: When I was there, you can see like private planes
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: take in and out of there, but it's more of today.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: It's more of a private kind of like airport. I mean,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: it was private back then, but they did do some commercial,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: but not a lot. But that's interesting because this daily
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: shows up nowhere until nineteen sixty three when he's supposedly
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: there to represent the tenants because the tenants are going
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: to get a fifty percent increase on their rentals, and
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: so he starts acting like well, he's acting like he
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: supposedly tells them he's representing them, but later on that
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: turns out not to be the case, and actually is
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: named by the city manager on the aviation board in
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, and oh coincidentally, by nineteen sixty four
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: he decides not to run. It's no longer with the
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: aviation at Meecham Airport.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: So I think it's just important to put this in
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: the context here. So daily is essentially is he the
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: owner or like the landlord of this Ellis Avenue apartment?
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: He is the owner, Okay, so he owns the apartment
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: that this clean towel employee is renting out. Where is
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: this Ellis Avenue?
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: In this Ellis Avenue is a stone throw away from
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: meeting Airport. Literally you could just almost walk across the
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: street and there's the airport. So in.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Ads advertising like you know, one bedroom apartment, you know, uh,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: for this location that this fabulous guy rented, it specifies
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: in the ad Latin American.
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: One of the ads, not all asked, but just one
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: of the ads did say that, yeah.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Right here, cool man, Yeah yeah, attention to Latin American.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Three seven Elis, two bedrooms, one hundred dollars equity fifty
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: dollars a month. Vacant A says it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: Name maybe maybe yeah, uh.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so that is included in your article.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah so that's kind of interesting in regards to part
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: of the reason why we bring this up is because
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: of obviously the gene so tier if I'm pronouncing his
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: name right, who to this day everyone uses, Well, he
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: flew out of the Dallas Fort Worth area. They've never
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: really narrowed it down to what airport he actually flew
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: out of. Our contention is it might have been this.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: Airport again, Sutra Sutra, Jean Sutra, the French assassin.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: That's where he flew out, of course I can Yeah, no,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: there's been speculation about where he flew out of, but
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: they said Fort Worth.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, very plausible for sure.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Let's go back to daily really quick, uh daily. We
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: find out from his obituary served under Willoughby.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: In the Pacific, General Willoughby.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: That's right, you are correct, he served World War Two
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: and the intelligence for Willoughby.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: Well, now things get a little more interesting, folks, in
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: cause you haven't been paying attention to our far right shows. Yeah,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: Willoughby's a Willoughby is a big one. For those who
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: aren't that familiar, just touch on Willoughby and his connections
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: real quick. Just remind everybody a little bit about who
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: this guy is.
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  Speaker 3: Willoughby was General MacArthur's head of intelligence, our head of
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Connory intelligence.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: Was it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: In the Pacific? Yeah, both during and after World War Two?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: And if anyone has followed the trail of Willoughby, I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: mean Dick Russell even got like a message directly that said,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: look into Willoughby.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: That is a guy that you need to know about.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: He opens up the door into like the Chickeney Knights
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: in the Sovereign Order of Saint John Jerusalem, which had
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: a military component to It's to this you know brotherhood
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: that had right wing generals and other bonner Fellers, and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Walker was a member of this group, you know. So
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: so to me that was just the bells went off
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: when I saw that this daily guy who is in
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: the laundry business is the owner of the apartment renting
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: a clean towel employee in the shadow of menchent Field.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're an assassin bear or may not have
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: flown out of Yeah, that's that was just kind of strange.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: I just man, Paul, do we want to go any
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: more on Sutra?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: No, not not right now.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: You blew the mind of the chat with that. And
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: he goes, whoa, and James goes, wait.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: What you know? There's you know, I thought, once I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: got this the name of the owner, my first goal
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: is get the name of the owner and find out
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: who the driver was. But the more I dug on this,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: it got even more interesting, to say the least.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because Jean renee Sutra was of course an alleged
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: French assassin of Corsican assassin. And what's interesting about him
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: for folks that don't know is him and what was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: it Marie, I forget his full name is Mankel? The
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: guy that was qj Win. They often used each other's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: names as aliases, which is kind of messed up, Michael Murks,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: is what you're thinking, Michael, Yes, yes, so if so,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: just say, for instance qj Win was uh in Dallas
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: and he left and he was used his buddy's name,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: Jean Renee Sutra on the manifest you know, as a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: kind of you know, to throw them off the center
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: of the trail in this other guy's direction, you know,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: like a professional fu Basically I've heard that theory before too,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: so that's something to think about as well.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Rob, there is way more that we have not said,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to defer to Paul on this one
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: because we want to get our ducks in a row,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: and he's he's the more wizened researcher, so I will.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: Well when that happens, y'all got to come back on
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: yeah for sure.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I want to highlight something from Trey here, who is
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: from Shreveport but.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: Knows a lot around. Yes, he just a little bit.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Amon Carter built an airport just south of where Dallas
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Fort Worth Airport sits now Center Port area. I guess
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: it didn't make it as it couldn't draw carriers from
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: love Field or Metam.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: And that is correct.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: Carter related to Cliff Carter at all, I'm on.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: Carter is a legend in Fort Worth. He started the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Fort Worth start Telegram.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: Is he related to the Cliff Quarter though, Lbj's No.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: I don't think so.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Carter Carter's pretty popular name, but you never know, right.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Trey also followed up Amon Carter Field, which became Greater
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Southwest Airport. It opened in fifty three and stayed open
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: until nineteen seventy four.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: You know, Trey made also a point earlier I saw
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: about I think he was referring to Amon as employing Marguerite. Trey.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: If you see that, let us know, I without really
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: going into detail, I mean, I think it's important to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: know Marguerite is not to be dismissed. We already mentioned
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: that kind of weird connection with the attorney in the suit.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: But you know, there's more to her, Paul, than I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: certainly thought of before I got into this clean towel business.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: Wow. Colleen's asking was will it be in on the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: Flying Tiger attack on Cuba? That A doun't know, but
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: what it would be interesting if he was part of
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: the Flying Tigers, because I guess who else is part
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: of the Flying Tigers in World War Two? Jack Martin
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: of New Orleans.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not right, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: And uh James Riships James, Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: He goes, what exactly did you do in World War Two?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Intel?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I think you're talking about Willoughby.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: And if he's in the Pacific theater, he's This is
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: a complete guess on my part. You're not really doing
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of counterintelligence because you're not going to get
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: many uh, you know infiltrators into the Japanese army that
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: have been you know, surviving in caves on these islands.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Of course, you know MacArthur had his island hopping campaign there.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: Uh German Joe, so it may have been something, you know, yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: I'll just it's important to point out that in these
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: the intelligence just didn't end when the war ended.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: It.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: For instance, and something like the Seven Order Saint John's Jerusalem,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: which has dubbed the chick Shiney Knights that that that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Willoughby is part of, and the clan too, for instance,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: these guys had their own intelligence services, their own networks,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: They their own spies on the ground, you know. Just
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: they didn't have maybe the three letter acronym right of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: of out of DC or something. But that doesn't mean
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: that they weren't doing their own intelligence.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: So or they were involved in other intelligence agencies feeding
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: information to their little network. Right and thank you, Trey,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: he sent a supers.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: We know these people, we know all these extreme right
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: wingers were talking whether they were from California, oh yeah, Florida, Georgia,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: Texas and they absolutely all the time.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: And absolutely that Paul, that has like because we always
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: go in thinking, well, such and such should be this
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: kind of type of you know, we have to put
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: all of our assumptions aside. Everything that we knew, say
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: about a certain group or something is not the case
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: because we're dealing with certain individuals who have different allegiances
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: that we don't even know about. So we have to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: really kind of go in there without knowing anything or
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: putting all of us our assumptions aside, right, Paul.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one of the things that people have
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: a tendency to get wrapped up on when it comes
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: to JFK assassination is was it the Mafia? Was it
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: the CIA? And I often tell people men wear many hats.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: As we found out with the attempts on Castro, they
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: brought the mafia in. Well, the Mafia worked with the CIA,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: men wear many hattens.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And the Cubans and the Cuban exiles.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, So just to sit there and say what was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: the Mafia or CIA? I think it tried to. I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: think they try to put it in a box. Yes,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: And as we know in this assassination, you can't do that.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: No, it can't.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: No, it's probably people from each of these elements that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: we're working together in different ways. Some shadowy force is
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: kind of my working theory, you know, But very good
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: point there.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: The one person I would encourage people as we go down,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: we're gonna, hopefully here down the road, we're gonna commit
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: an article to Robert Lesh. I'll tell you the story
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: how I came across Robert Lesh. He was actually in
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: one of the documents to Terran County that I found
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: the name of Robert Lesh, and I'm like, well, who
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: in the heck's is Robert Lesh?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: And so what I ended up.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Doing was in my research, I found out he had
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: family members still alive, and I contacted one of the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: family members. I knew she'd answer because she's in real estate,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: so I left my name and number and I told her,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, my name's Paul Cummings. I'm an independent researcher.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: I come across the person made him Robert Lash. I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: believe this might be your father. Could you give me
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: a call back either way? Get a call back an
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: hour later, and she says, yes, I'm Robert Lesh's daughter.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: And she says I was telling her what I was doing.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: She goes, oh, I thought you were gonna tell me
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: you're another long you're my long lost brother, and I'm
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: like what. And it turns out seven years ago she
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: found out that she had another sister that Bob had
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: with a former playboy Bunny, And that's a whole other
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: aspect of this.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: No, that was kind of fascinating.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: And I've been talking to the Lash family for over
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: three years, well for three years now, and they lost
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: their mother and their father by the time their age
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: of twelve, and they to where they're at today. I can't, uh,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: just how proud I am. Like I said, we'll get
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: more into Robert Lesh in the future article here, but
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: Robert's the centerpiece of what we're going to do forward here.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: Cool deal. So I have you covered just about everything
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: we want to for now until part two.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: To be a series. Yeah, what we're trying to do
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: is we're contacts and detail are important this case, and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: I just don't want to blow it over about how
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: we came up to what we did. So I'm a
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: very analytical detail guy, and so I want to make
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: sure that people when they go through are going to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: be understanding that your questions are going to be answered
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: as we go along.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: Welly for one, love these deep rabbit hole dives on
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: weird anomalies. Uh, you know when as pertains in this case,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: and I know, uh, folks in the chatter digging it too.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, loving night.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: They've been busy all night.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: And just put another spin on it, Bob and Joe.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: Uh. There's an article in nineteen sixty one from the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Forward Telegram in which Robert Lesh's car gets dynamited.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: Oh really, oh yeah.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean he survived a number of shootings.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: He was ultimately murdered, Yes, murdered.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: Okay, like Roger Craig. You know, I think he has
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: his car blown up and then he got murdered.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely smells of a of a mafia type of thing.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: You know that that's the case. Yes, yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: but again, Bob also had a very high IQ. He
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: would what are those places like mensa meetings? Him and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: his daughter, who's one of his daughters, also got Bob's ability.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: He was a genius, you know. And I'm going to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: throw this out for you guys, because his daughter told
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: me this. In the mid sixties, Bob was driving around
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: his car with a car phone.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: Really yeah, wow, mid nineteen sixties a car phone.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not too many of those around.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: I thought. The only other one I've heard about in
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: the sixties is Fred Chrisman. Yes, we have Thomas Beckham
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: alleged that. So it's possible.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's possible.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: The technology was there, you know, it's they're always, you know,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: fifty years ahead of us. And you know there was
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: cool car phones in the eighties.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was an electronics just expert. And that's kind
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: of where will I guess we'll leave it that the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: lesh comes into play with electronics down the road.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: That's awesome cool I found, just to let you know,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: to this day's case is still unsolved. And in nineteen
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: sixty eight, Yes, he was murdered in nineteen sixty eight.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: When they went through his trailer, they found electronic equipment,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: bugging devices, tape recorders and stuff like that.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: H wow, the lod facility that Yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: We got an interesting comment here from James Smith in
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: relation to the Flying Tigers. By the way, William Paully,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: who helped start the Flying Tiger, I believe that's Aviation
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Group AVUG and the airline was in on the raid
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: to Cuba with Rip Robertson, John Martino and a few
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: others the Bio Paul raid. Yes, that's why we love
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: our chat, by the way, because they say that again.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Joe by the way, William Paully, who helped start Flying
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Tiger a VEG which I think means aviation group. You
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: can correct me from wrong. And the airline was in
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: on the raid to Cuba with Rip Robertson, John Martine,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: et cetera. I thought that was a boat raid. But
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: uh h, I guess he's saying Paulie was in on
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: the raid. Or was she saying the airline is in
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: on the raid to Cuba. I don't know. You might
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: have to spens.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: He had his own raid on the Bio Paul raid.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: It didn't go well spoiler earlier I did not know.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And Scott says, we definitely have to have a follow
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: up or more on this, and I think we will
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: definitely based on the chat's reaction.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: And please understand, we're not trying to avoid giving you
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: more details. But if we were just to talk even
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: more in depth, it's not going to be able to
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: put in context the background because the background story this
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: is a story. There's more depth and detail that needs
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: to be explained. Then we can put in any kind
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: of podcast.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love the fact that you
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: kind of brought on James because, as Rob and I
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: can attest to when we started our Martin Deep dive,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: it's great to have someone to work with and you
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: guys didn't really know each other before, and you just
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: bounce things off of each other and you're just completely objective.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, Rob, that's that's why we
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: had a lot of success with that research project. And
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of the you know, ancestry trying
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: to contact relatives, the same really serious process from research
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: process that you guys are going through.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, I just I love it.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I can't respect it enough.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: So yeah, we love to see collaborative research. Of course.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: You know, that's where our friendships rung from. And it
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: takes you to places you never thought you were going
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: to get to and it's like whoa, yeah, and it's
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: a beautiful thing to see. So you guys are doing
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: great work.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you how much James has helped because
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: even in some of my research that I've gone into
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: that I've left because it didn't make any sense. Because
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: of James's background, we can start connecting the dots that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: I could not have done. And that's where it's been
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: very helpful to have a second person look over this.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like I can go and talk
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: to my wife or friends and what I'm finding here.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: It's just you can't do that.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: So when I can talk to someone like James, knowing
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: his background the assassination and the JFK, I don't have to,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: you know, spend twenty minutes in background in detail to
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  Speaker 4: talk to him about what I'm seeing or what I've
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  Speaker 4: been researching. Yeah, and it makes it so much easier.
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  Speaker 3: It's been really cool. It's been really cool. Yeah, man shorthand, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: sand get it right to it. It's amazing. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know him at all until you know, thanks to you guys.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're like me. It's like, no problem, I got you.
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  Speaker 2: We love we love playing Matchmaker here.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Great job.
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  Speaker 6: So if anybody else out there wants to put James
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  Speaker 6: to work, just give me all emails on James. Keep
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  Speaker 6: you busy, James, I know so. And and as we
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  Speaker 6: wrap that up, I would be remiss without asking you, uh,
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  Speaker 6: since it is a timely topic and I've got both
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: of you guys here and we got a little time
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  Speaker 6: to chitty chat for a second. The file releases the
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  Speaker 6: task Force. What are your guys thoughts on on all
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  Speaker 6: of that? Looking at him? Are you are you? Are
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  Speaker 6: you diving in? Are you happy with the way it's
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  Speaker 6: rolling out?
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  Speaker 3: Boy, to mistake Oliver Stone for Roger Stone, that was funny,
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 7: It was painful. That wasn't funny. That was painful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little disappointed that it seems that it's
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  Speaker 3: just Cia that we're kind of hitting and exactly way
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  Speaker 3: more than that, right, and to bring out the gatekeepers
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  Speaker 3: to kind of roll out before the task Force, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know Stone, the Eugenio Morley, you know. I started
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  Speaker 3: to read. I was like, I'm going to read all
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  Speaker 3: of these and I got through about ten files. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I got it, Like I'm sleeping. I can't do it. Paul,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I talked to Larry Hancock about this in Boiling I
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  Speaker 4: I just I feel like everyone thinks that the answers
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  Speaker 4: are going to be in the document. It's not that
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  Speaker 4: Larry and David have said that, but you know, my
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  Speaker 4: my whole contention and the documents is that when e
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Howard Hunt is going and changing documents. You've got to
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  Speaker 4: be very leary of what you're seeing in these documents,
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  Speaker 4: and that's where you need coroboration, you know. Don't get
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  Speaker 4: me wrong, I think it's a great thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's long, I'm overdue, but I just I'm concerned that
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  Speaker 4: people feel like that if the answer isn't in the
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  Speaker 4: documents somehow. And I can tell friends of mine it's
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  Speaker 4: a puzzle, It's all it is. It's a puzzle, and
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: what those documents are doing is helping us fill in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: That's all exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think the answer is sitting in
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: there anywhere. I mean, you got to figure, you know,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: folks at the ar Bee. I have seen all these documents,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: you know, and work with the CIA and reclassifying these things,
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  Speaker 6: and like James said, what I'm interested in is these
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: twenty four hundred FBI documents. I'm more interested in seeing that. Then.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: You know what the price of bananas and Guatemala in
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: nineteen fifty seven, you know, was yeah at it?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'll tell you what I thought.
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  Speaker 4: He handled himself very well because you could tell he
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: was getting steamed when they were trying to make a
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: political statement on that, and I could tell, and he
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: handled it very well, but I his steam, you could
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  Speaker 4: tell was going through his ears, and I commend him
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  Speaker 4: for doing that. That that that was me.
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  Speaker 7: I would have just looked at that congressman and said,
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  Speaker 7: what the are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen this? Guys?
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  Speaker 2: This is the best have you seen this picture? I
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: think this was a Crockett, the one that tried to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: make it about something. This this is a very is
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: everyone in reaction to her question and Morley's keeping a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: good poker face, Stone is like, get me out of here.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Jim D's staring at the space.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought that was really funny. But you know, they had
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  Speaker 2: Morley had Luna on. I think it was two nights ago,
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  Speaker 2: and they last night last night, last night, and they
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: did have a question about the twenty four hundred FBI documents.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: They are at the archive and they are in the
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: process of being digitized. But like Rob and I have
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: talked about many times before, they are shorthanded and they
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: don't have all the manpower or woman power to do
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: this really quickly. And of course having a change of
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: the archivist head archivist probably didn't help that either. But
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: the good news is it's allegedly coming as well as
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: other releases as well.
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  Speaker 4: So in the film too, she brought up the aspect
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: because actually, Jefferson Moore I took it another level, and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: that was getting the original copy of the Wegman is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: it Wegman or Darnell Films from NBC and that they're
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: looking to get the originals, not the copy, the original
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: and so she has sent a letter to NBC requesting
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: them and she even said, we're not looking to have
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: an adversarial relationship with NBC, so we send him a
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: letter and we're hoping they're going to cooperate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the task Force does not have subpoena power,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: but I think it's a comber does one of the
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  Speaker 2: top congress.
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  Speaker 3: Men.
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  Speaker 2: And she said it was either a Morley's thing or
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: the task Force that if necessary, she would go to
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: him to get subpoena power for those If that initial
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: you know, request did.
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  Speaker 6: Not work, we can we have it doesn't work? Yeah, yes, yes, exactly,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: yes at my front door and be like can I yes,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: you can have whatever you like, Lina.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: And the timing couldn't be any perfect because Comcasts announced
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: last year they're looking to spin off some of their businesses,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: and what a greater opportunity, and in the FTC and
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: the FCC coming in saying okay, we might agree with this,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: but here are some conditions. And here's one of the conditions.
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  Speaker 7: Because NBC has been holding that thing forever.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, if it was that
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  Speaker 6: clear where you could see, I mean, that'd be great.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: Like like I was telling Joe Wednesday night, you know,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: there's if you could get the camera original copy, you know,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: run it through like eight K resolution, maybe even a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: little bit of AI just to fill in the blanks
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: here there, you know, you might have something. I know
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: Bart's hoping, like hell if that happens. But yeah, what
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  Speaker 6: does that to It's one of them.
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  Speaker 4: See you know what, I don't think, at least I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't need to know if that was Oswald or
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  Speaker 4: not because he wasn't on the sixth floor. I mean
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Curry said that they could never put him, you know,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: up there with with a gun on the sixth floor.
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  Speaker 7: But I mean I to verify whether.
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  Speaker 6: It is or not.
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  Speaker 3: But like like you're saying, Rob, though it's this isn't
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: the this is about the assassination of the president. It's
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: enough of Oswald already, you know, doesn't always have to
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: be about him, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm trying to narrow suspect pool down, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that's all. And like I said, I'm more interested in
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: the FBI documents because that's oh yeah, you're the ones
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: that investigated power in the United States. The CIA was
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: not supposed to be doing ship inside the United States,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: which is where this happened, is where the plot came from,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 6: the plan, whatever you want to call it. You know, yeah,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: they might have been interested in Oswald defecting, or Oswald
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: going to Mexico or visiting the embassy there, but other
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: than that, everything else should be FBI files, you know.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: And then there's so many allegations of FBI files that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: we don't have, you know, like like Oswald's New Orleans fire,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: you know, uh, things like that. But anyway, well, guys,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: thank you so much for joining us. Thanks and very
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: enlightening and a very fun show. Great work, fellas. Keep
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: up the good work, and you know my number. Call me,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: you know when you're ready to do part two and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: we'll do another deep dive into this thing and see
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: what you found out.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Rob, Well, I'm gonna get off here and
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna show it. I'm gonna send you that we
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: talked about earlier.
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  Speaker 6: Sounds good. My box is always open.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, and thank you folks out there for tuning
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: in tonight. Been a strong, strong audience, strong chat and
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: we always appreciate you stopping by. Thank you so much
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: for the super chats and support. We do have some
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: new channel members, Joe, some new covert operators as a
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: matter of fact, So thank you guys. Uh and it's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: about to bring on Dino dances up out of here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, they looked before the dance.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: H that's James didn't want to dance. That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: I think he has a kid in the background, to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: be fair to Paul is too cool to dance.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Ruby, you can dance there, Ruby, gird.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, Paula, Thank you guys, Thank you, Sup Bungled.
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  Speaker 6: It's grace God, halleen, guys, rock the greatest, live to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: hang it out.
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  Speaker 3: With the greatest. Crimes are committed in the name of justice.
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  Speaker 2: The quotation is Jim Harris. It could be used for
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: him or against him. In this strange case.
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  Speaker 6: Great stuff tonight, Ruby, Yeah, that was great.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Mike h M.
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  Speaker 6: Let's listen m oh and John Lindback if you're still listening,
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  Speaker 6: which you should be, I've got some audio for you, sir,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: of Skip that you've never heard before. So how do
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  Speaker 6: you uh huh