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PEN KEN - Player Potatoes to Penning Legends · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coney Witt, and today we have very
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  Speaker 1: special guest, Kenneth Monroe, also known as penn Ken in
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  Speaker 1: the building. Very excited to have you. Oh, I forgot
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  Speaker 1: to introduce guys. He is an author of children's books
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  Speaker 1: and many more a long time over twenty years as
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  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. But what caught my eye is your books
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  Speaker 1: Legends of Hip Hop dedicated to children. We got Tupac,
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  Speaker 1: Queen Latifa, Kid and Play, and we have Biggie And
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  Speaker 1: before they started taping day, I was grilling you because
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  Speaker 1: he does not have jay Z. And if everyone who
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  Speaker 1: knows me knows that I am a huge jay Z
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  Speaker 1: fan and I would have loved to see a jay Z.
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  Speaker 1: There's next one.
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  Speaker 2: It's more they're doing well, so it's more to come.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they're all and that's even better to hair. So
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  Speaker 1: before we get started into your story, what are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna have me eating today?
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  Speaker 3: So what I'm gonna have you eat is a meal
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  Speaker 3: that one of my mentors taught me years ago in Oakland, California,
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  Speaker 3: five to one over the town. And these are called
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  Speaker 3: player potatoes. Player potatoes is something that gets you by.
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  Speaker 3: It don't cost a lot, but it's enough ingredients in
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  Speaker 3: there to get it's fulfilling. You have your potatoes, you
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  Speaker 3: have your cut up garlic, you have your cut up carrots, bell, pepper,
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  Speaker 3: and it's something that you can make that you can
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  Speaker 3: eat it two three times with one server.
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  Speaker 1: So and it's very affordable, extremely affordable because this is
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  Speaker 1: like under five dollars in this economy, and you can
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  Speaker 1: eat you get survived. Yeah, yeah, you can survive. It
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  Speaker 1: will keep you.
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  Speaker 3: Bulky absolutely when you loan funds and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: When you grinding, you can make a part of this
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  Speaker 3: and you can eat it twice in one day and
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  Speaker 3: still have a little bit left over for the next day.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. So how long on average does it take to
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  Speaker 1: make this dish?
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  Speaker 2: About twenty twenty twenty five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, start cooking it.
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  Speaker 2: Do it.
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  Speaker 1: This will be my I eat cereal in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm like a little kid. I eat fruity pebbles
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  Speaker 1: or Captain crunch. No healthy cereals here. When you have
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  Speaker 1: a little kid, you know that you become a little
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  Speaker 1: kid again. I did not know that's the thing. When
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  Speaker 1: you become an adult and you have kids, you get
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  Speaker 1: to become a kid again.
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  Speaker 2: That's the fall part, yes, and.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things not trying to sidetrack at all,
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  Speaker 1: but as becoming a new mom, I did do by
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  Speaker 1: a lot of kid books, and I started to realize,
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  Speaker 1: like some of the publishers I liked when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid, I was like, why Doctor Zeus was one
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  Speaker 1: of them. Ah, I can't do it with these classes
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  Speaker 1: talking to me thank you while we're taping. They're like
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  Speaker 1: sending me messages and I'm like, oh no, I can't
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  Speaker 1: do it. I am terrible. I'm multitasking. But I will
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  Speaker 1: say I do read these children's books, and some of
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  Speaker 1: them they're either long winded or for Doctor Zeus in
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  Speaker 1: the case Doctor Zeus was like too arithmatic. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: you're not even making sense. And nowadays so you see
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  Speaker 1: these cartoons and they don't really have an underlining. In
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, they don't make sense. Like a lion falling
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  Speaker 1: in love with.
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  Speaker 3: A dear we can't relate to that, we can't resonate with.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things where I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: do the books because we didn't have nothing for the
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  Speaker 3: culture for us. Hip hop is a big part of
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  Speaker 3: us in the culture. And when I was doing my
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  Speaker 3: research before I started the books, I'm like, when I
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  Speaker 3: first sign with my agent, the first thing I told her,
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  Speaker 3: I said, I don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To do them, no cute bedtime stories.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, if I want to if I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 3: into this industry, you have to be books that's going
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  Speaker 3: to touch the culture, the kids to parents, something that
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  Speaker 3: we all can resonate with that we grew up on.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, it's nothing touching on music. Music is
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  Speaker 3: such a big part of our world and our culture.
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  Speaker 3: Why aren't kids learning about our hip hop he ros?
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  Speaker 3: When we in school, we learn about presidents all these
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  Speaker 3: type of holidays, but we don't learn about hip hop
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  Speaker 3: and where it started in the origins of it. So
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  Speaker 3: I told my agent, said, I want to do a
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  Speaker 3: hip hop series and this is before hip hop fifty.
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  Speaker 1: And I love this too because kids are seeing kids
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  Speaker 1: that are reflections of themselves, which you know, you have
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  Speaker 1: people of color in the book. Obviously it's hip hop,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't really have a lot of that going
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  Speaker 1: on either.
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  Speaker 3: And everything comes back for a circle. Imagine when Wese
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  Speaker 3: kids think about it. What was we listening to around
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  Speaker 3: the house, the old school, the seventies music. So these
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  Speaker 3: kids in this generation, they need to know about the
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  Speaker 3: legends that we grew up on exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into Take me back to what was going
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  Speaker 1: on during the time of potatoes, and this you said
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  Speaker 1: came from your mentors.
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  Speaker 2: And they called play a potatoes potatoes.
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  Speaker 1: Take me back to what was going on when you
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  Speaker 1: got advice to make play of potatoes to survive.
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  Speaker 3: So this was a time we experienced different things in
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  Speaker 3: our life, different hardships that we have to persevere through,
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  Speaker 3: but we always remember our first time experiencing hardship for real.
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  Speaker 3: Even if we have different hardships throughout our life, you
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  Speaker 3: will never forget the first time you really experience like
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  Speaker 3: what it means to be.
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  Speaker 2: Low and down.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in EA, Chicago, Indiana, a two parent household,
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  Speaker 3: my parents two two jobs, great jobs, my whole like
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  Speaker 3: me and my little brother, I didn't struggle growing up.
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  Speaker 3: I could not have asked for a better childhood. My
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  Speaker 3: mother and father, they just from what they taught us
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  Speaker 3: and how they raised us. They just raised us the
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  Speaker 3: right way, and we was grateful that they could be
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  Speaker 3: able to afford things and do things with us to
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  Speaker 3: provide a great childhood for us. I went to school.
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  Speaker 3: I went to school in Arizona's where I went to
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  Speaker 3: college at and after my second major of communications, and
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  Speaker 3: after my second year, I was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to go to school no more. I knew I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to get into the entertainment. I knew the corporate life
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going to be for me. I never worked a
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  Speaker 3: corporate job in my life. It was like I fifty, say,
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  Speaker 3: get rich of Doe, Tryne. For me, it was entertainment
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  Speaker 3: of that trine. So after my second year, I told
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  Speaker 3: my parents, I said, I know who I am. I
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  Speaker 3: know what I want to be. Some kids just know
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  Speaker 3: who they want to be early. I knew in high
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  Speaker 3: school what I wanted to be. It was just about
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  Speaker 3: waiting for the opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you want to do in high school?
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  Speaker 3: In high school? In high school, I was like, one day,
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  Speaker 3: I want to go to LA. In high school, go
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  Speaker 3: to LA and see what the entertainment industry is about.
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  Speaker 3: I was always in high school. I was popular. I
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  Speaker 3: was known a lot of my personality of the classes
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  Speaker 3: and stuff that I was.
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  Speaker 2: In was like communication classes and TV classes.
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  Speaker 3: I played sports, so I knew that sitting behind the
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  Speaker 3: desk wasn't just gonna be my journey. So after my
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  Speaker 3: second year in college, I told my parents. I said,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to waste no more time to do
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  Speaker 3: another two years, knowing this is not what I want
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  Speaker 3: to do. They teach us to go get your degree,
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  Speaker 3: go work for something for thirty years, get your pension.
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  Speaker 1: How did your parents take the news.
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  Speaker 2: I have some very supportive parents, and that's one thing
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  Speaker 2: I've learned through other feings.
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  Speaker 1: Parents sound amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have very supportive parents. You got parents that
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  Speaker 3: try to hold their kids back from what they want
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  Speaker 3: to do. My parents was like, we don't know nothing
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  Speaker 3: about Hollywood. My mother was scared to death. She said,
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  Speaker 3: but if this is what you want to do, we
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  Speaker 3: can hold you back. And so they said, this is
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  Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. We're gonna go out here to
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  Speaker 3: La We're gonna get your apartment. We ain't gonna get
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  Speaker 3: your apartment in the hood and nothing. We're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: you apartment, a nice apartment where it's happened in that.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna pay your first year rent. No, absolutely, we
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  Speaker 3: don't pay your We don't want you to be in
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  Speaker 3: the hood and the sketchy areas, gangs out there, we
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  Speaker 3: don't want you to be. We want to put you
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  Speaker 3: in the white area where everything happened. And so they
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  Speaker 3: put me in the Valley studio city absolutely, so it
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  Speaker 3: was like I found the roommate. It said, for this
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  Speaker 3: first year, we want you to hustle, we want you
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  Speaker 3: to network, we want you to find your way, meet people, this,
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  Speaker 3: and that. After the first year, you should be good
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  Speaker 3: enough to start hustling and making a couple of dollars
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  Speaker 3: to start funding your apartment, whatever you need to do.
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  Speaker 3: So that whole first year I did nothing. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: a people person. I call myself I'm a master in networking.
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  Speaker 3: That's just who I was my whole life growing up.
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  Speaker 3: So that first year I was just getting into different
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  Speaker 3: things and just I started working for MTV and doing
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  Speaker 3: re member of dismissing all them shows. That was back
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  Speaker 3: in the day. It was a lot of shows on TV.
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  Speaker 3: I started working doing shows for.
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  Speaker 1: MTV and you were doing intern level or what No.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing TV shows like talent you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like.
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  Speaker 1: Bucking the talent or I was the talent. Okay, oh
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  Speaker 1: you were getting paid and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was getting paid back in them days, like
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  Speaker 3: the reality shows, they pay you I think five hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars or a few hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 2: They want nothing.
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  Speaker 3: But I was doing like different shows. And then I
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  Speaker 3: started working for a playboy and doing different things. And
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  Speaker 3: that whole year, I was just meeting a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people and I was just building my network. And long
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  Speaker 3: story short, after that first year was over, or around
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  Speaker 3: towards the first year, that's when I met my mentor.
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  Speaker 3: He had came to my apartment complex. He was he
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  Speaker 3: did real estate, He did a lot of the music industry.
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  Speaker 3: He is a guy that taught me a lot just
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  Speaker 3: about life. And when he met me, he took a
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  Speaker 3: liking to me and said, you're really talented.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in you. He said, if you ever get
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  Speaker 2: in the buying or something like that, just let me know.
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  Speaker 3: This guy had I called him pimping because he had
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  Speaker 3: so many women he like. When I met him, he
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  Speaker 3: was in a drop top baby blue Rolls Royce when
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  Speaker 3: he came to the like, he had limos. He was
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  Speaker 3: just like but he was a good guy. But he
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  Speaker 3: took care of the hood.
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  Speaker 2: He was that guy.
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  Speaker 3: But he was around a lot of dope heads and
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  Speaker 3: drug dealers and alcoholics and just from trying to help
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  Speaker 3: people and put people on.
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  Speaker 1: So what did he do for work?
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  Speaker 2: Real estate?
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  Speaker 1: He did real estate, and he did while you go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: start cooking.
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  Speaker 3: While he did he did real estate, and he did
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  Speaker 3: a lot in the music industry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: He did real estate and a lot in the music industry.
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  Speaker 3: After the first year, I had met a woman and
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  Speaker 3: she had a small daughter. She had a small daughter,
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  Speaker 3: she was like two three years old, and she had
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  Speaker 3: just got out of a divorce with a big TV producer,
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  Speaker 3: and the TV world, it was a lot of long
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  Speaker 3: hours and stuff like that. So when I met her,
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  Speaker 3: she was fifteen years older than me, and that was
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  Speaker 3: my first time dating a older woman. And she had
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  Speaker 3: a small kid, and we got really close, and I
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  Speaker 3: became really close with the kid. So we started dating
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  Speaker 3: and got in a serious relationship. And after that first
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  Speaker 3: she was older than fifteen years older than me, had
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  Speaker 3: her own money all the time, said I'm a young kid.
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  Speaker 3: And and after that first year, I stopped telling my
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  Speaker 3: mother and father things because I wanted to show them
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  Speaker 3: that I was growing up, and I just didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to use them for a crutch every time I needed
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  Speaker 3: something or to bail me out.
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  Speaker 2: So I went and got a little job at office depot,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't want to do it, but I wanted to show
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  Speaker 3: my woman that I got my all money.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a few dollars.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not about to be taking you out to dinner,
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  Speaker 3: panding on my parents' allowance. Like fifteen years old than me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I got to grow up at some point.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want that job, but I went and so
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  Speaker 3: I was stocking the shelves. I think it was twelve
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  Speaker 3: dollars hour.
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  Speaker 2: It want nothing. I got a job.
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  Speaker 3: After five months, I said, I'm not doing it. I said,
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  Speaker 3: this ain't me. I'm not about to force myself to
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  Speaker 3: do this. Things start getting hard. I wasn't telling my
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  Speaker 3: parents what I was going through. They had called me
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  Speaker 3: a check on me and how I'm doing this, and
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  Speaker 3: that I was lying the whole time. I'm doing this,
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing that. I'm getting some money, but I'm struggling
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  Speaker 3: the whole time. I'm behind. I'm behind on my rent.
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  Speaker 3: I had a roommate I'm behind on my rent. Things
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  Speaker 3: was going on. I got so deep that I got evicted.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, and you still ain't.
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  Speaker 3: I had to at that point because they had to
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  Speaker 3: help me bail me out.
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  Speaker 1: And was their name on the apartment too?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow? So you was did they handle that? Did
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  Speaker 1: you get in trouble?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't get I didn't get like in real trouble.
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  Speaker 3: But they gave me a long talk. They gave me
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  Speaker 3: a long talk.
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  Speaker 2: And I got it. I got evicted.
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  Speaker 3: I had just recently, me and my girls together about
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  Speaker 3: a year and a half. We had just recently broke
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  Speaker 3: up because we was going into two different directions and
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  Speaker 3: she wanted to get married again. I'm like twenty one
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  Speaker 3: years old. Yeah I'm vib and that's not what I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to do. And the thing that hurt me the
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  Speaker 3: most is that me and her daughter was very close,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like walking out of a kid's life when
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  Speaker 3: they three four years old, walking out of kids like
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  Speaker 3: when they're three four years old.
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  Speaker 2: And that kind of messed me up mentally. That hurt me.
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  Speaker 3: My mentor in Oakland, he was like, you either gonna
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  Speaker 3: go home or you can come out here until you
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  Speaker 3: get on your feet.
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  Speaker 1: So he said, come out where to Oakland.
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  Speaker 2: He had this big house.
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  Speaker 3: He was the only he he was the only black
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  Speaker 3: person in the hills of Oakland, waterfalls, all his backyard.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, like the only black all white people around,
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  Speaker 3: the only black person in the hills of Oakland.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So when I went out there, that was the first
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  Speaker 3: time when I learned real life. He was like, I
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  Speaker 3: ain't gonna I ain't gonna treat you like your mama.
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  Speaker 3: You're about to grow up. He was like, you've been
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  Speaker 3: spoiled too much. He was like, you like you're facing
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  Speaker 3: hardships and this is what real life is about. And
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  Speaker 3: he used to like he used to have me around
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of like drug addicts and alcoholics and
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  Speaker 3: people that he dealt with, just to show me like
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  Speaker 3: this could be you if you don't clean up this Hollywood,
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  Speaker 3: this this California.
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  Speaker 2: This ain't like backing your hometown.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to survive and make it out, hear,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta grow up and you gotta start understanding the game.
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  Speaker 3: So he when he did that, he used to take
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  Speaker 3: me around a lot of meetings and stuff. He was like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take you around all these meetings with me
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  Speaker 3: unless you see how you conduct business, how you do things. Now,
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  Speaker 3: one thing, one valuable thing that he taught me, and
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate him to this day. He said, the people
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  Speaker 3: that's gonna end up helping you in your life is
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  Speaker 3: going to be women.
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  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, shut out to the women.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety percent of the people that was in his life
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  Speaker 3: that he was doing business was women. He was like, look,
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  Speaker 3: you got charisma, you good looking, you got a good
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  Speaker 3: head on your shoulders. He said, a lot of guys
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  Speaker 3: is gonna hate that. A lot of guys that can't
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  Speaker 3: give you opportunity not going on to get an opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of guy's not even going with you around
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  Speaker 3: a woman, you know what I mean. And at the time,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what do all this mean? And so he
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  Speaker 3: started taking me around all these means and started letting
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  Speaker 3: me see, like how he was conducting business with women.
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  Speaker 3: Shark women I'm talking about. He had sharp women, entrepreneur women,
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  Speaker 3: this and that. So he was like, use your gifts.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, you have to use your gifts to
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  Speaker 3: get ahead in life. He was like, women is more responsible.
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  Speaker 3: They don't procrastinate like men. He was like, they don't
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  Speaker 3: have no reason to hate on you. A guy hate
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  Speaker 3: on you before a woman will in a second. He
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  Speaker 3: was like, get some sharp woman on your team. He
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  Speaker 3: was like, I'm not talking about just like on dating.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, I'm talking about handling business. Learn how
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  Speaker 3: to do business with smart business like women, and you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna see how your life donna change. So I was
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: in Oakland like a year, and after that lesson, when
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: I went back to LA, I kept my network the
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: whole time. When I went back to LA.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Where you were out there for a whole year, year,
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: I was out there.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: For a year. I was out there for the year.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: And it was times I was out there I was
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: at my breaking point, but I just said, I'm not
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: going to give up.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not going home. It's not no option.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: And when I went back to LA, I started gathering
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: my network and I started throwing the biggest parties in Hollywood.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about not clubs.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about like Manches, hotels, yachts, like from bel Air,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Beverly Hills. I was doing it in like Miami, South
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: Beach Vegas. The women I was dealing with used to
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: give me their homes to throw parties in, and they
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: didn't want no money.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: They was like, we're gonna give you our house throw
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: a party in.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: And that's how like my network started when I started
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: throwing all these big parties. But I wasn't making no
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: money at first, because you gotta fake it until you
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: make it.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Of course, the type of.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Parties, yeah, the type of parties I was throwing was
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: they was celebrity parties and high level parties.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: So you can't really asking people.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: For no money when they're giving you they homes and
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: different things to throw parties in. And even the people
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: that's coming, you can't really ask them for money. You
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: gotta do the parties and build your network. So I'm
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: still struggling, but I'm faking until I make it. I
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: got all these rich people, Hollywood people in all these rooms,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: but and we party. I'm building my network. But I'm like,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I'm betting on myself. If they liked me, they're gonna
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: want to help me down the line. So when my
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: mother used to call me and say how you get money?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: What is you doing? I used to tell my mom
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: I had a job.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I used to always tell her my work for the
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: move of companies that help people move out their homes,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: like the moving trucks. I'm lying the whole time, but
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: you know how I really was getting money until I
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: was able to make some money. I hate to say it,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna be real. I was getting money because
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: the drug dealers. I used to have people, but they
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: used to come in and serve rich people like to
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: get high. They liked when they party that they liked
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: to get high. So I had the drug dealers coming
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: in serving ecstssy, cocaine, weed, all that just for the party.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I never touched it. I wasn't driving around the car
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: with it because I wasn't taking them type of chances.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: So they used to come in and supply whatever they
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: needed at my parties. And by the end of the night,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I get a bankroll. I get a bank roll, just
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: hand it to me, put in your pocket.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I leave. It's three four five thousand dollars.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: That's how I'm paying rent off drug money, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: because I wasn't getting paid from the parties at first
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: until I started building my name. Yeah, so how I
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: was surviving was getting a commission on that's the drugs
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: that they was hustling at my party. Yeah, So that's
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: how I was. That's how I was getting money at first.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: And then once I started building my network and stuff
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: like that, then I was able to start getting sponsors
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: and different things start happening as far as where I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: was able to make money. But that's how I started
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: throwing a party, and that's how I was making money
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: until I was able to start making the real money.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Drug money was paying my rent and my survival.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: You survival instincts, and your mentor sounds like he did
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a very good It sounds like he left a lot
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: of golden seeds in your head because even if you
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: think of it about it from a business perspective, if
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: you're catering to a certain audience and this is what
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: they're into, and you cater to them in total capacity,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: they're going to keep coming back. So you did exactly
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: what brilliant. I thought you were gonna say sponsors from
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the jump, But you're right, it does take time. So
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: after you're throwing these parties, what I'm trying to inch
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: all the way to the end to where you're at
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: today when it comes to being an author in twenty years,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur. So I see you started in your
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: twenties as an entrepreneur.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I moved to LA when I was like nineteen.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: After my second year, cops real young and start throwing
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the parties. My run and the parties from was from
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: like twenty one to about thirty one. I had about
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a decade run while I was woll I was really.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Your dad, amazing. I want to go, but you're done.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: You're not doing it anymore.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I had my daughter and she got me out the game.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: When I have my daughter, I got off social media.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I stopped throwing parties. When I became a father, A
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: lot of changed for me. But before I had it,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: from like twenty one to thirty one, I had a
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: decade run where I was throwing the biggest parties in Hollywood, Miami,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: South Beach, Vegas, New York. Like my network became to
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a certain point where I was throwing parties all around
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: the country where.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Like it was, but I got caught up.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: It was a lifestyle that I would never go back
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: to because I definitely got caught up. And you spending
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: as fast as you're getting it, and you're seeing a
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: lot is happening at there's parties, and you can't keep
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: a relationship like that as well. So it was cause
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: of issues with my relationships.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And you mean like your personal relationship.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, because my parties was like eighty percent women my parties.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: You walk one of my parties. I was doing parties,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Playboy Mansion I was doing. It was like eighty percent women,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: all the parties I was doing. Because that's when my
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: mentor taught me, get the women on your team. That's
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: how you're gonna get money.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: That's why he's nicknamed.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I name him that because that's how i'm him.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Is he still around.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't talked to him, and I haven't talked
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: to him in a while. We lost touch a little
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: bit throughout the years when I had my daughter, when
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I became a dad. But he's about he about eighty
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Now, wow, he's still doing the lifestyle that he was
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: when you met him.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: No, you can't be doing that at that age.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: It's not an eighty I'm just saying, I don't know
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: if he's just a retired pick.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: No, he's still gonna beat him. He's still gonna get
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: money with women. But he didn't slowed down from that
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: lifestyle because he eighty Now.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, did he ever settle down and have kids or
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: not trying to do.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: He do have a kid, He do have a kid
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: that I was really close with.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: But his lifestyle was just always he wasn't selling down
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Mary type.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: God.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: He always had women around him like all the time
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: ever since I known him, So that that won his personality.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Now, all right, so what happens at thirty one where
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you start to take another pivot?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Thirty one? That changed my life because.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: You did that. You did the party scene for thirty
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: or for ten years, right, Yeah, so then what happens
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: for Yeah, tell me what happens at thirty one?
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I was with my girlfriend that held me down. She
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: she was like seven years older than me, and all
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: throughout the Yeah, no, she held me down. She was
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: somebody that my journey wouldn't be my journey without the
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: role that she played in my life.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Ride or Die.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And we were together for years throughout the whole party scene.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: We had separated and broke up, and when we had separated,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I mess someone else and she got pregnant fast and
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I had a daughter and.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I had a kid.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So when that happened, we were still maybe talking about
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: getting back together and whatnot. But once I knew I
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: had a kid on the way, that was over. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: had to leave La move to Chicago because she was
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: from Chicago, and she was like, I don't want to
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: get a birth in La.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Oh the girl that you hooked up with.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: My daughter's mom.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Great girl, great family. I appreciate like her family, like
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: we're still close today. Great person, great family. And I
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: come from a father that was in my life. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I wanted about to do no raising, no child long distance.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I moved to Chicago. I was depressed for a while
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: because I got a baby on the way. I don't
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: know what that's I'm leaving in La, I'm leaving my network,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm leaving my lifestyle, and I'm coming out to Chicago
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: for the unknown. But thank god for family, thank god
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: for family support, because I never knew how hard it
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: was to have a child as far as just like
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: babysitting and just raising a child.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I just never knew.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So it's like a culture shock.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a culture shock. So it's a.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's like jumping into a cold water plunge. You like, wait,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: what differ, don't you?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. It was a culture shock to me. So
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: when I when she was pregnant. I was at every
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: doctor visitor, I was involved the whole thing. And I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: said to myself, I said, bro, you got to change
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: your ways. I said, you're about to become a dead
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: just the lifestyle that you've had the past ten years.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: You can't do that no more. Your father now I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: had to become responsible from a mindset perspective. That was
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: when she told me she was pregnant. A couple months later,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: that's when I got on social media. I ain't been
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: on social media in a decade. And I know what
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: you're gonna say. People always asking how do you do
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: what you're doing not being on social media when the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: whole world is about social media?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You know what You're right, because I think I did
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: try to look you up on social I know I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: found you on LinkedIn.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I don't call that social media like a business profile,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: but TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I got off that about close about ten years ago.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: And people ask me all the time, how do you
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: do everything you're doing and know the people are doing
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: what you're doing and you're not on social media?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And that's the way the world works.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: And I tell people all the time, if you knew
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: how to hustle and get money and do your thing
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: before social media, you can do it now. Life is
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: about relationship.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Really, ten years is a long time of relationships that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: are solid.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: My relationships is strong, and that's why I tell people
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I don't need to be on social media because my
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: relationships I'm talking about twenty years in the game.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: People.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of people that's on social media, they force
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: themselves to be on social media.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: If you really think about.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Me, we do. You're watching this.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Clip absolutely, but you don't need social media because if
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: your relationship. That's why I tell people I don't cross people.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I don't cross people for no money. I don't cross
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I do everything with good intention, of good character in
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: my karma good because everything every business, when I do
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: business is all good intention. I do things the right way.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: So I got relationships that I've had fifteen twenty years ago.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: We still getting money, We're still doing things. So social
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: media is not needed for me because people hitting my
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: line out the time.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's all referral.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: So I'm the type of person that I know that
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: if I don't have no money, my phone gonna ring.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Like you gotta have that mindset it's the work that
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you've put in throughout the years.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It's then people still gonna ring your phone.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So you and just you and this
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: young lady, do you guys settle down officially as like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a family.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: We did, and unfortunately we broke up when she was
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: like four years old. But we do a great job
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: of co parenting, and it took me a long time
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: to She has a new boyfriend that she's been with
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: for a few years, and as a father, you don't
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: want no man around your child, around your daughter. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: he's a great guy. He treats my daughter with nothing
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: but love. So it's something that I had to get
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: over and accept. But we do a great job of
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: co parenting. And but my daughter's the one that changed
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: my mindset while I got off social media the way
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I need to start moving and doing things differently. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: she the one that inspired me to get into children's books.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And now the backtrack, the getting off social media, why
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was it so crucial for your growth?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I had to.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I had no choice. I was in the party scene
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: so tough. I had so many girls that if you're
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: trying to settle down and have a kid and be
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: a father, you got to get out the spotlight. I'm
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: not gonna I'm like, I'm not gonna say names are
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: going to I don't do that. But it was getting
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: It was to a point where I was having relationships
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: with a lot of celebrity women, high level executive whatever
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: was coming to my parties. I'm talking about full on relationships.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And my lifestyle was real wild around the time, full.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: On relationships as in like on the personal side, Oh
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: so you was.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: He was really a lot of sexual relationships with a
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: lot of celebrity women and influencer women and socialites.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I mean they was coming to my parties. And it
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: got to a point where like I was and demand
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and you know how it go.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So I had to get off social media because that
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: won the lifestyle that I needed coming to Yeah tonight.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I would imagine you go into your phone and three,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: four or five ten messages from hey you want to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and you're like trying to turn your life around.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why my relationships didn't work out when I
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: was in a party scene, because like it got to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: a point where it just the lifestyle I was living.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You can't have a relationship and have a family doing that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: It's never gonna work. So that's why I got off
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: social media because I want to focus on being a father.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So you become this dad and you're reading children's story,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I would pay me the scene of how you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: becoming a dad morphs into a children's author per se
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: without skipping a beat. So if I'm moving too fast,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: slow me account.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: So I give the whole story to run down. So
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: what was the biggest thing to have happened in our
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: life these last few years?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the whole world? What changed the whole
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: world a few years ago?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Pandemic.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: When that came, nobody a lot of people stopped making money.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Productions were shut down. You couldn't go nowhere. So the
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: pandemic came. And the person that's now my agent and
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: my business partner for the books, we was talking about
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: some business, some toy business, a toy deal for one
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: of my clients at the time.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: And well clients at the time, what were you doing
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I was doing a lot of different music stuff, sports stuff.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And one of my clients at the time, she was
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: like fifteen years old. Once she's one of the biggest
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: shout out Brooklyn Queen. She's one of the biggest influences
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: on TikTok and stuff like that. But she had a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: massive following and we was talking about doing different business
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: with her. So that transpired into have you ever thought
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: about she's an author, she's an agent, she's a very
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: successful person in the publishing industry. She said, with your
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: resume and your background, have you ever thought about doing books?
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Because you just had a daughter at the time, My
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: daughter was three years old, have you ever thought about
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: doing children's books? I'm like, not really, I ain't never
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: thought about doing anything for children of books in my life.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Unless you have a kid, you ain't.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Really thinking about children's But she was like, you know what,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: that's a big industry. That's something you need to think about.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: You have the network, you have to create the vision
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: to create your writer.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: She was like, think about it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, she was like, ah, you can make
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: some money during the pandemic when ain't nobody making the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: money right now? Yeah. Shout out Karen Kilpatrick. Thank you
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: for everything you did for me. I wouldn't be in
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: this book industry without her. She taught me the game.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: She taught me everything I need to know. My success
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: in publishing is because of her, and I think her
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: for it all the time, because it changed my life.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It took me, these books took me around the world.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: These books are just so you know, for all the listeners,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: these books are so beautiful, like the animation the Professionals.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It's distributed published by HarperCollins, which is a bit. That
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was another reason why I wanted you on the show
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to like walk me to how do you get this?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: But I see how it's working. Okay, okay, you got
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: this long resume.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So she was like, let's start creating.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: So I told her, I said, you know what, if
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I get into this game, I don't want to do
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the cute bedtime stories. I don't want to do stories
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: that don't mean nothing. I want to do stories that
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I think is cool and I think that kids and
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: their parents think it's cool. So I started doing my research.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I said, you know what, I see all these books
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and stories, but I don't see nothing that's talking about
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: hip hop. Now keep in mind, this is before Hip
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Hop fifty. I signed my deals already when I had
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: even before I even knew Hip Hop fifty fifty was coming.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: It just fell in line and the books released doing
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: hip Hop fifty.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So I said, I'm gonna create a hip hop series
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: that's going to teach kids about the legends and the
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: history of hip hop, but through education. So once I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: started creating it, I said, she said, you got to
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: create it where like the education part is very fluid,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Through it's books, teaching you
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: how to count, teaching your numbers, Biggie as the opposites.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So we're teaching them about these hip hop legends lives.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: But while they're learning how to count and the alphabets
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: and opposites and whatnot. We created the Tupac first, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: shout out to Luana Or she's my publisher. She's my
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: editor at HarperCollins. She did Lebron James book, she did
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Dwyane Wade, Gabrielle you and book, big time editor there.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: We created Park first and she loved it. She loved
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a poc one. She was like, I love this. It's
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: nothing on the market for this. This can be big.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I give you a deal for four, I give you
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a I give you a series.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And now didn't now you you at this point are
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you pitching the actual book or are you pitching the concept?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I'm pitching the concept. I'm pitching the concept. But she
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: was like, this concept is so big. She was like,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: this is not a one off. She's like, this is
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a series. She was like, if the Tupac one is
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: good the manuscript, I give you a deal for four.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: We turned into Tupac one.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: She saw.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: She said, we want to sign the deal for four.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Pick what other three three you want now?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And you didn't pick jay Z. Just want to point
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that out one more time.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: But I had the pie.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Why explain to the listeners why
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you did not go with jay Z because I think
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: your explanation was made a lot of sense, even though
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a hater because you don't have jay Z. But
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: go ahead, explain to everyone why you chose who you
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: chose for the books.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I chose pacbecause Pocket is my favorite hip
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: hop artist of all time. He always won't be number
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: one for me, just from his music, from his movies,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: just his personality, who he was.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It's just who he was. He was just like the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: realist rapper ever.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So I chose Pac them Mama my favorite song of
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: all time. When I chose Pac, I said, I have
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: to choose Biggie because their lives go together. You can't
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: talk about Pac without talking about Biggie as far as
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: what they went through on the street level and the music.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: So that's why I picked Biggie because they go together.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, if you have Pac, you can't tell the
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: story of Tupac and don't tell the story of Biggie
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: the kids because their lives go together.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: So I picked them too.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And then they was like, you gotta pick a woman
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: because we need a woman and enough women in pot
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, of course. So they gave me different
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: options to choose. They gave me Queen Latifa, they gave
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: me Missy Elliott, they gave me em c Light, Laurren Hill,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Salt and Pepper shout out to Sartin Pepper my Homegirl
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Mannered Salt, and they want to do a book too.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: But wait the books, dybody.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I picked Queen Latifah because Miss Queen Latifah
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Unity is my favor a female empowerment.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Record of all time.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And then they was like for the last one, I'm like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: for the last one, I want to pick a group.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, kidd and plays my favorite group of all time,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: House Party so I said, yeah, that comes out later
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: this year, the Kid and Play joint. Now, keep in mind,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I'm the story, the story about to get even. But
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm working with one of the
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: top female music artists in Africa. I'm working with one
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: of the top female music artists in the Caribbean. Her
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: grandfather created the music genre Soaka. Rod Shorty created the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: music genre Soaka Nola black Men. It's his granddaughter and
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: ms V was my music artist in Africa. I said,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: there's never been no mainstream children's book talking about Soaka
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: and Carnival. There's never been no mainstream children's book with
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: a deal from a music arts in Africa.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So I said, I want to bring them in and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: get them deals. So mss V.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: She has a big song called natural Girl. It's about
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: teaching black girls how to embrace theirself in their natural
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: skin and who they are.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: So I created the book title.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Natural Me, Me and My Partner, and it's a spin
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: off of her song.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: And that's what HarperCollins as well.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Nyla Blackman's book is about Carnival and Soca called Love
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: La La, where he's teaching her the sights and sounds
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: of Carnival. Why he's teaching her Soca all this was
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: going on doing my hip hop series. I got all
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: them deals within the same month.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Wow. And then just curious for all listeners out there
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that are wanting to get into becoming an author. When
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you're doing a book on a tupole of Queen Latifa,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: is there some kind of clearing of rights? How does
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that whole part of the deal work?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Thankfully, when you sign to them big companies, the legal
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: department take you all that. I'm not responsible for any
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: of that. They legal team get all those rights and
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: whatever needs to be done legally. That's the pros of
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: working with a big publisher. Wow, they do all of that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: When you got your publishing deal off concept, what did
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that moment feel like for you?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: It was a crazy moment for me, as I never forget.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: It was April twenty twenty one and I had got
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: six book deals within the same week. We had been
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: pitching them since like January, and when the deals all
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: came in, they all came in at the same time.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I got six book deals. My agent called me within
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the same week.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: How did you backtrack? How did you have an agent
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to begin with?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: My partner. I was telling you about Kara Patrick.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: She was your partner agent.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a big agent in the publishing industry, so
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: she's my agent.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: But she was the one that also pitched you to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: write books. So what were you doing to have an
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: agent prior?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean to have her?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: No, she just she asked me if I wanted to
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: get into the children's books and what I thought about it,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and she and I said, she said, we're gonna need
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: an agent. She said, I'll represent you because she's a
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: big agent and represent a lot of authors.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: So she was like a friend slash partners.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: No, she won friend we had at the time. Obviously
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: she's a friend now.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: But at the time we had met and it was
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: like like business from the about the books?
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So were you pitching her the books? Because I'm missing something, Okay,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So she was. She was on the phone with you
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and she was like, have you ever thought about publishing?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: What were you guys doing for her or even what
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: kind of business were you doing.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: We had met on LinkedIn.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: We had met on LinkedIn and when we met on LinkedIn,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: it was about the toy business for one of my
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: for one of my clients at the time because she
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: had she was a she used to be a VP
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: at a big toy company, so she was That's when
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: she was like, have you ever thought about doing books?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: But you keep saying your client at the time, what
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: were you doing to have these types of clients?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, just music, sports. I was doing a lot of
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: stuff came for my parties.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. What were you doing for
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: these people for them to be your clients? Were you
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: managing them?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I was producing music, I was managing them.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I was doing pr from them. I was doing a
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: lot of different things. So for the client of the time, Brooklyn,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I was producing music own her. I was doing PR
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: WAE for different networks and companies and stuff like that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: So we were doing a lot same thing. For Nyla
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: and ms V, I was producing music. We was doing
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of different things. So I was like, what
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: you think about children's books?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So this makes a lot more sense going back to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: why you got off social media. No matter what, clients
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: were always hitting your phone or opportunities were always coming
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: All the time. Almost done cooking, I'm almost done.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: We got we're gonna, We're gonna We're gonna end the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: episode with absolutely shout outs to pin Bin for this mail.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So now that So go back to April twenty first,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you said, yeah, you have six published book deals, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: why did you choose a publishing offers? Why did you
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: choose Harper Collins and don't you could obviously it could
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: also be the money, but why did you choose them?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I chose them and then my other one through Penguin
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Random House. I chose HarperCollins because.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, you have two publishing deals at the same time,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: House and HarperCollins. Would you tell them up front?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: So when the offers came in, we decided, like who
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: we want to go with and HarperCollins. So Luana that
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: gave me my deal for that. She comes from producing
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Lebron James children's book Wayne, all these big children's books
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: about the culture. So I'm like, for hip hop series,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: this is the right this is the right one to
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: go and then shout out Sackston More.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: He is the illustrator of Legends of.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Hip Hop Amazing, illustration amazing, three time.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Three time Emmy director from Nickelodeon Cartoon That with.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: The Guys Amazing, his first book.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: He's been doing things.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: His artwork is absolutely stunning. Continue sorry, continue with your story.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So why did you choose Random House? What publishing deals
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: does Random House have with you?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: The love La La not a Blackman's book because the
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: editor that gave me that deal is big in the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Caribbean culture, and I wanted the book to I wanted
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: the book to be authentic. So I remember one day,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: me and my business partner, we was writing it. We
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: was sitting up all night thinking of like their language.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: We was like looking at the dictionary like in Trinidad
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: and Soka's it is different language. So we wanted our
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: books are very authentic and that's why they're doing well,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Like however they talk in their country.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: That's how the children's books are. So we had to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: study all of that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Like I'm a real nerd when it comes to being
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: great and having a vision and doing something like I
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: really study this.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Now. What did your daughter say when she first saw
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: your bucks?
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: She couldn't believe it was me. She she couldn't believe it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: She was like, you wrote these. She was like, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: inspired you to get into this. I said, babe, you
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: inspire you changed my life. You inspired me to and
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: shout out to my daughter's birthday today. Happy ninth birthday
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to my daughter Gianna.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: But she was shocked. She couldn't believe that I had
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: did that. And for her to learn.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: About people that we grew up off of that was
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: pretty pretty different from me.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Now, just this is sidebar. Since you had your internship
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: opportunity with pimping.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And oak play potatoes with these.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Play potatoes, I am genuinely curious here burme. Does it
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: make you look at women differently when you are dating
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: them versus like just dating for looks or cuteness or
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: what have you. I don't know why I have so
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: many on my plate. Hold on, hold up, I'm already.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm already big. You're gonna eat somebody.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, come see.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It, watch it taste great?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Oh huh, you may need some of this. Now.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Let's see why you didn't put seasons on. I did.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I did love it more.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, pull a chair up or pretty much
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, which kind of sucks
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: because I have so much more. So turn off that stove.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: You you don't cook at home, do you?
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, come closer, come closer. This will be your mic. Okay,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: so let's try. Oh did you answer my question? Do
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you look at women differently since no one pimping?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So like where you date? Do you date for more
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: than just looks?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And absolutely?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: And I like dating just educated women and women that
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: have goals and it's always bigger than looks for me.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm good on the potato right there.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it gotta you gotta have. You gotta have goals,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: you gotta have morals, you gotta have just a mindset
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: that that you want to be great and you're looking
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: for more. He taught me that shark women. I love
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: shark women. Nothing is sexy than a shark woman. Yes,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I don't date women that look for dudes.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: To be tricks.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: And I don't associate with the type of women women
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: that's looking for dudes for come ups and tricks and
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: dudes flying girls around around the country and taking them shopping.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: And some type of girls can't get my attention on whatsoever?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatsoever?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Let's see what pimping? Do you lived on this in Oakland?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing yes, Yes, it's a great dish. It's a
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: great dish. And mm hmm, I love that it's colorful.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Shout outs to pimping for trajectory of your life. I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: love that this mentor played such a pivotal role, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: just to see where you are at today. And I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: love that you came from a two parent household, because
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I think the assumption on the show can be if
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you didn't come from nothing, But no, your pivotal journey
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: started right there in the middle, and your parents did
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a great job. Shout outs to your daughter for leading
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: us to legends of hip hop the series. And when
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you get your jay Z version, Yes, yes, yes, Can
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I at least get the first text or email like Hey,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: what's happening? Or can I get like some input? Can
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I see one of the drafts? But i'd be allowed
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to see like a draft like before you send it
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to your agent.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Like absolutely, so I could be like, oh, let's do it,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: let's get one on whole.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But this right here is spectacular.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I eat this from time to time just just to reflect.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Time to time, I'll still I'm not a cooker. I
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: don't cook, but from time to time I'll still do
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: this just to remember, like where I came from and
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the struggle in the journey and persevering and life lessons
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: that I learned while I was eating this dish.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: This dish is really great, really great seasoning did a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: good job.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for responding to me, and you
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: were right. But when it comes to your network, I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: saw you on LinkedIn. I was very like, Wow, this
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: is amazing, legends of hip hop, unique black author. It's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: nice to see people of color in different industries. But
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I did, of course reach out to some other people.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I try to see who you knew, and everyone came
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: back saying really great stuff about you that I did.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I always have to. I'm like, I literally picked up
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the phone call someone I hadn't talked to like almost
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a year, Oh wow, and asked about you and there's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: great things and they were like, yeah, you'd be great
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: if you could get them on the show. And I
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: was like, that's when I hit you up. So yes,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: and I rarely checked my LinkedIn right it was Haley.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Haley.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has been on the show. She has her
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: hair care products in all Walmarts. And I did ask
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: her about like d I and how all that was
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: affected her.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: They're doing great and her daughter that they're great.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: They're great when it comes to your book sales. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: just have a couple of last questions. Is there any
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: pressure to sell a certain quantity or market a certain quantity.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: No, it's not pressure.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: You know, when you sign deals with the publishers, they
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: give you a real nice advance to do your thing,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and there's no pressure because when they signed you because
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: they love the product, and the books have been performing well,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: so I'm thankful for that they perform a real well.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: A lot of celebrities been doing things with them. One
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: of the things that took me back about this book
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: is when Ludacris shout out to Luda he's my favorite,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: one of my favorites all time.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: And when he did it, when he.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Was talking about him and taking photos and stuff with him,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: that did it for me because he was He's like
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: top three all time for me. So a lot of
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: celebrities been taking pictures with the books, buying the books
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  Speaker 3: for their kids. It's been these books been circulating a
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  Speaker 3: lot in the celebrity world.
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  Speaker 1: So it's humbling and now we know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: what you've shared, a lot of the knowledge that really
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  Speaker 1: helps you grow outside of that knowledge. For people like
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  Speaker 1: I have a girlfriend and I told you that's trying
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  Speaker 1: to get into writing children's books. What kind of advice
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  Speaker 1: would you give that person? You could say, right into that.
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  Speaker 3: Camera, advice for getting to the children's book industry. Create
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  Speaker 3: Always make sure your story has depth to it. Have
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  Speaker 3: a beginning, have a middle, half an end, Have something
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  Speaker 3: that the character has to persevere through, have to learn from,
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  Speaker 3: and that that's what agents look for, that's what publishers
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  Speaker 3: look for. It's not just about writing a cool story,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: but your story has to have depth to it. It
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: has to have something that a challenge that they're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get over, because that's how kids relate because life
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  Speaker 3: is not perfect. So if you write a children's book
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  Speaker 3: that it's just like all cool, but it's no lesson
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  Speaker 3: in it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like these books.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, we're teaching you about hip hop, but what
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  Speaker 3: else are we teaching you how to learn how to
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  Speaker 3: counter opposites? We teaching you things that you're going to
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  Speaker 3: learn in school, you know. So always start with a
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  Speaker 3: great story that has to beginning, a middle or end.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you have to have an agent if you
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  Speaker 3: want to get into the big publishers because theyre the
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  Speaker 3: ones that negotiates you get you the best deals.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do this alone at all.
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  Speaker 3: So it's create a great story, get an agent, and
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  Speaker 3: really just you know, put your foot on the gas.
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  Speaker 3: You got a network, You got to hustle. If you
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  Speaker 3: really want to get into the children's book industry, let
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  Speaker 3: it be known.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let it be known. And then just from one parent,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about when you read
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  Speaker 1: children's stories. After I had my daughter, I didn't. I'm
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: very picky when it comes to children's books now. The
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  Speaker 1: books that have the most words like drive me nuts,
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  Speaker 1: especially at bed time. I love that you balance that
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  Speaker 1: in the book because there are people that will write
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  Speaker 1: like a whole novel and I'm like, lady, we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get through bedtime. I don't want to have to
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  Speaker 1: just start making up the story because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to read these words in the semi dark, trying to
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  Speaker 1: set this mood right.
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  Speaker 2: Keep it simple, keep it simple.
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  Speaker 1: And you did a really good job about that. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the only thing I would say. If you're gonna
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: get into children's books, please not only have a great story,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: but please don't do too much with the work.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you're doing like I did a lot
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  Speaker 3: of tours, like all over the country. So when you're
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  Speaker 3: doing stuff at libraries and schools and things like that,
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  Speaker 3: you want to keep it simple because the classrooms only
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: have so much time before they got to get to
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  Speaker 3: the next one. So you want something that the kids
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: can gather real quick when you're doing like tours especially helps.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. Penn can in the building
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you so much for fitting us in
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