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ITB: Eagles Offseason To-Do List--Offense · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: is Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan. We are in the
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: early stages of the Eagles off season. There have been moves,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them made, and we wanted to go
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: back through some of the coaching staff moves that have
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  Speaker 1: been made offensively, give a little more intel on that.
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  Speaker 1: And then this was Adam's idea. I liked it. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do a little start a little two part series
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  Speaker 1: on a to do list for the Eagles this offseason,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll go through what they need to do on
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  Speaker 1: offense in this pod, and the next podcast will go
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  Speaker 1: through more news as it develops, and then do the
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  Speaker 1: defensive side. So the winds of change keep swee sweeping through. Adam.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you mean, well.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, we do a podcast and stuff happens,
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  Speaker 1: and we do another podcast. It's not the slow time
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's not. Well, this is the obviously
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  Speaker 2: this is unique because then an offensive coordinator and to
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles credit, whether it's Sirianni and Howie together, but
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  Speaker 2: we wondered, this is actually a very positive sign that
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  Speaker 2: they let Mannion bring in a bunch of new coaches,
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately it cost some coaches their job that we're
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  Speaker 2: on the previous staff. That's just the way it is. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And now now little little inside football here, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to help some people out. Well I could tell you,
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  Speaker 2: because we don't know for a fact which which ones
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  Speaker 2: could have been affected by this, but it happens almost
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  Speaker 2: always where they tell a coach, hey, you're you could stay,
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  Speaker 2: but it's depending on what our new OC wants. And
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know that was definitely. I know some
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  Speaker 2: coaches who are connected to some of the guys who
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  Speaker 2: are who were interviewing or whatever, said like that's what
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  Speaker 2: they heard that some guys are told that you might
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  Speaker 2: be staty, you might you know, we like to have you,
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  Speaker 2: but we want to be good to the new OLLC
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  Speaker 2: because that's the way you should do it. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 2: I understand. Listen, when chip Kelly came, When chip Kelly
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  Speaker 2: was canned, they kept stout Fipp and others, well you
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  Speaker 2: should the great coaches like that. Some are obvious, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but some are not so obvious something like you know,
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  Speaker 2: you really you know, you hope that the club knows
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  Speaker 2: how the quality of the coach, you know, but unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: the avenue ofc who's new, you got to get them call.
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  Speaker 2: They have to be able to run not only the scheme,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to have coaches who know it. Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Mahafey knows it. He was with mannyon in Green Bay, Right, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Cooper who's a new online coach, he played in it.
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  Speaker 2: He coached in the West Coast offense.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And Cooper because he knows Manion, have a pretty good
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  Speaker 2: idea of what schematically that they'll be looking at. That's important,
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  Speaker 2: you know with Stout, that was not Stout's backnet. Yes, Doug,
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  Speaker 2: Peter Sharmanda, West Coast off it's nothing like this, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, from what I'm told from Yeah, it's one
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  Speaker 2: that you a lot of teams do duo were schematically sets.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of differentferences without getting too technical. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's some guys here who we're going to
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  Speaker 2: probably would have stayed if they didn't give Mannion sort
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of leeway. But that all sounds great.
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  Speaker 2: As we talked about, we'll see what the offensive, We'll
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  Speaker 2: see what the offense looks like when the season starts,
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  Speaker 2: and how much is he really running opposed to how
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  Speaker 2: much he wanted to run right.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get let's get more into Chris Cooper, the new
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  Speaker 1: offensive line coach. We addressed it in the last podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We have more intel before we do that. I do
• 3:29
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  Speaker 2: Quick, right every just about every Wednesday when I was
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco last week we did, but all year
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  Speaker 2: fifty two weeks just about it's where I don't know
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  Speaker 2: last time I took off from doing it.
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  Speaker 1: And then sometimes you've done more than one.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, level three, Yeah, we've done some special ones.
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  Speaker 2: Folks who heard level threes know this. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: to tell them. Yeah, it's super cool. Yeah, it's uh.
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  Speaker 2: And then you never know who's going to pop in.
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  Speaker 2: We might have a couple of surprises coming.
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  Speaker 1: So any ways, yeah, anyway, all right, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about Cooper. Chris Cooper's background
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  Speaker 1: as the Vikings offensive line coach for the last four
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  Speaker 1: years under Kevin O'Connell, kind of a shaky resume in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the offensive line for the Vikings has been shaky.
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  Speaker 1: It's also, in fairness, been beat up a lot of injuries,
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  Speaker 1: so that that's a part of it. But well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one thing I didn't realize at him, so I went
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  Speaker 1: into it more. I knew he was. It's funny I
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  Speaker 1: was talking. I was trying to get more intel on him.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to someone who is a personnel guy
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  Speaker 1: for an AFC team, and this person said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know much. We don't face him. I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember much about him as a coach, but he
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  Speaker 1: said he was a pretty good player. He said he
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  Speaker 1: was a stud coming out of North Dakota. And then
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  Speaker 1: I had to go back and look and I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this guy played a long This is no Sean Man.
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  Speaker 1: He played a long time and.
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  Speaker 2: Started started started yea, yeah, started mostly.
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  Speaker 1: For the Broncos, and then he played and this is
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  Speaker 1: where it comes out. He played under when he first
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  Speaker 1: got into the league. For several years. His head coach
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  Speaker 1: for the Broncos was Mike Shanahan, who we continue to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. Shanahan, Koobiyak, you know, McVeigh Lafloor, all these
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  Speaker 1: influences of the wide zone and the West Coast offense,
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  Speaker 1: the modern nighted version of it. Now, so there's that
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  Speaker 1: symmetry there again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's important, it's important. Uh see one thing. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to defend the guy here, but we always
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  Speaker 2: try to be fair. During this time, they drafted five
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  Speaker 2: offensive linemen. One of them they traded for Darian Lowe.
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  Speaker 2: Low is interesting. They traded him very early in his career.
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  Speaker 2: Belichick liked him because what I was told then he
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  Speaker 2: could They thought he could play left and right tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Uh he but so so then after that, the one
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  Speaker 2: that's unfortunate is that Ingram never really developed for them.
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  Speaker 2: And that was Cooper's first year. He was now I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you he was overdrafted. That was the word in
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  Speaker 2: scouting circles. But then Ingram was traded to the Texans.
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  Speaker 2: Had an okay year, as I understand it, But you
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  Speaker 2: just don't see a lot of players developing that that
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  Speaker 2: early on. But it's not like they drafted a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Now the positives are obvious. Christian Darressol I did
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  Speaker 2: understand he was drafted before he got there a year
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  Speaker 2: before and Darsaul has been hurt a lot, but really
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  Speaker 2: really good when he's been healthy. They just drafted Jonathan
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  Speaker 2: Jackson last year to play guard. Ryan Kelly had major
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  Speaker 2: concussion problems. Well for Ice on that huge free agent
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  Speaker 2: deal right coming over from the Colts. Brian O'Neill was
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  Speaker 2: drafted by Rix S Bielman, who was already a good
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  Speaker 2: player when Cooper got there though he was a left
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  Speaker 2: tackle Pitt. But it's we have to understand there are
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  Speaker 2: only so many Jeff Stout Lens if you go through
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  Speaker 2: the history, you mentioned Dante Scarnecki, Jim Mouse McNally, if
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  Speaker 2: you really know the NFL long time Giants had Bill's
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  Speaker 2: offensive line coach, the Lake Great Alex Gives the father
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  Speaker 2: of the West Coast offense and cut blocking. In terms
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  Speaker 2: of offensive line coaches, the Great Lake Great, Howard Mudd. Like,
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  Speaker 2: there's so many greats, so it's not it's just not fair,
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  Speaker 2: but it is true though, moving this back to Stout, well,
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  Speaker 2: of the all time coaches in terms of player development,
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  Speaker 2: it's remarkable and incredible. All Eagles fans know this. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not telling you anything you don't know. But now with Cooper,
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  Speaker 2: because of the injury, all so many guys coming back
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  Speaker 2: from injury, and they underachieved significantly on the offensive line
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  Speaker 2: last season. Now, even if they're healthy, you're having a
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  Speaker 2: full off season, hopefully of no more surgeries. We'll see
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  Speaker 2: about that. The fact of the matter is that he's
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  Speaker 2: got to redevelop them. Kennel's got to develop, Miles Hitton's
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  Speaker 2: got to develop. Cam Williams has got to develop, and
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  Speaker 2: that's that's gonna be in question.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly see it as a give and take. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're giving up the talent development, which is huge, huge
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  Speaker 1: part of who Jeff Stealtlin is. I think even more
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  Speaker 1: so than the schematic part, because as we talked about,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles run game for under Stalin has not been
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  Speaker 1: a diverse one. It's been a pretty you know, common
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  Speaker 1: like inside zone. Again last year they did more outside zone,
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  Speaker 1: but where they weren't like pin pulling and sweeping and
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  Speaker 1: doing all that. Every once in a while they would
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  Speaker 1: but tackle trapping. Like this wasn't a very diverse run game,
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  Speaker 1: it was an effective one because Staltlin developed these guys
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  Speaker 1: and had the vision to see someone like McKai Beckton
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  Speaker 1: be a guard right had the ability to take not
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  Speaker 1: only Jason Kelsey, but Jurgons and draw up designs that
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  Speaker 1: would use them the right way. Even Brett Toath, who
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  Speaker 1: is not a great NFL player you saw in that
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  Speaker 1: second start, when you use him in a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: he can be effective.
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  Speaker 2: So all that.
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  Speaker 1: Talent development that Staltlin brought was enormous and we have
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  Speaker 1: no idea. I mean it would be honestly to say
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  Speaker 1: Cooper could even match this would be ridiculous. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're one of one for a reason. But what you
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  Speaker 1: get part of the give and take. What you're taking
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  Speaker 1: is the symmetry, the understanding of how this offense needs
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  Speaker 1: to look from an offensive line standpoint. Because you coached
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  Speaker 1: under Kevin O'Connell, you were there when Sean Mannum was there,
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  Speaker 1: you played under Mike Shanahan and some other coaches, and
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  Speaker 1: I think Adam, the one thing that might really help
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  Speaker 1: him when you're trying to replace a legend is if
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  Speaker 1: you're an unknown guy or you never played the position,
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  Speaker 1: the players could look at you like, what are you
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  Speaker 1: here to teach me? But he played seven years. I
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  Speaker 1: mean yeah, that definitely to me helped easily, especially with
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  Speaker 1: the young guys.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The hintings that you mentioned the Cam Williams, the Drew Kendalls.
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  Speaker 1: This guy comes in and he's been a coach in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL for years now, four years at least, and
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  Speaker 1: then he's also played several years in the NFL. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a playoff game under his belt. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: like you're totally plucking a guy out of college or
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Who guys can say, well, this guy
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  Speaker 1: can't teach me thing, what does he know?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's like this is a little extreme, but you've
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  Speaker 2: probably seen it. If you if you saw the two
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  Speaker 2: Bills with one Belichick and Parcels, Lawrence Taylor talked about
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  Speaker 2: who is this guy? Because he had not played right?
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  Speaker 2: And Bill had a bill back in the early eighties
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  Speaker 2: when he moved from special teams to coach the defense,
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  Speaker 2: he had to proved himself was here. Cooper on your point,
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  Speaker 2: has buy him because he played now and only then
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  Speaker 2: you know the players go don't know if if they
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  Speaker 2: could be developed, and then you you have to look at, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: who's he really developed? And I know it's sometimes it's
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: it's sort of nebulous. You can't always tell. But with
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  Speaker 2: Stallin you could tell, I'm obvious. Everybody knows. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a big deal where I don't want to say patience,
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  Speaker 2: but you were just gonna have to see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: But these young kids, Hinton's talented son of Chris Hinton
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  Speaker 2: straighted for John Elway. You've got another guy like Pete
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  Speaker 2: Kennell's kid. You just mentioned Drew Kendall and you know
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  Speaker 2: Cam Williams. So he did a nice job in the
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  Speaker 2: little he played. He wasn't really supposed to play, but
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  Speaker 2: they decided that he was healthy. He had been healthy
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  Speaker 2: for a while, and why not do it. It's actually good
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  Speaker 2: that he got caught. He got some tape out there
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  Speaker 2: that they could evaluate feet wet. So let's see. Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know who the first quarterbacks that Chris Cooper
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  Speaker 1: played with were for the Broncos four?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Was the four draft? That? Oh six six six
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  Speaker 2: O six.
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  Speaker 1: Jake Plumber, Yes, Jake Plumber and Jake Cutler was on.
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  Speaker 2: The Color gu Yeah, yeah, yeah, plum Plumber had the
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  Speaker 2: number of parts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that Plumber had more starts. I guess that was
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  Speaker 1: Color's kie year maybe yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Cutler, boy man, that's that's another stick. Don't ask
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  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels about him, but I digress.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, there you go. By the way, Bobby Slow's dad,
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  Speaker 1: Bob Slowick, was a defensive coordinator for the Broncos and
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  Speaker 1: oh seven. So it's funny how all the names like
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  Speaker 1: tie together and the tree and evolve things like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's really funny how that that works out. Uh So
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  Speaker 1: that that's the thing. And and I'll just add this.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not quite sure why this guy said it
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  Speaker 1: who I spoke to, because he knows the Eagles well
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  Speaker 1: and he has a high opinion of stout Wind. But
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  Speaker 1: he said they'll be fine with Coop, which I think
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  Speaker 1: was his way of saying, like, yeah, he he, I
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  Speaker 1: was shocked. I was really shocked. I think that was
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  Speaker 1: his way of saying. What we talked about already is
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  Speaker 1: that we know the Eagles are not going to stop
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  Speaker 1: investing in offensive linean we know there that one thing
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  Speaker 1: Chris Cooper will probably get that he didn't get in
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota is a better a more solid commitment to drafting
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  Speaker 1: and developing lineman early. Like you mentioned, the Vikings spent
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  Speaker 1: money other than Daris all right, and then they developed
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  Speaker 1: Brian O'Neal. Well, but it's not here the first round pick.
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  Speaker 1: That was like a really good story of development. Other
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  Speaker 1: than that, they were they were like trying to buy
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  Speaker 1: guys and stick him in there and.
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  Speaker 2: And he've just ever done it. It's good of a job,
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  Speaker 2: as Rix Bilman, did you know he's in front of
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  Speaker 2: our show. But we'll be and honest here. That was
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  Speaker 2: the one area Rick could have done a better job,
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  Speaker 2: like Joshin Jefferson obviously he got right and a number
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  Speaker 2: of players over the years, but that was one to me.
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  Speaker 2: The offensive line. We've said this for nearly a decade.
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  Speaker 2: This is our ninth year. We just don't understand why
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  Speaker 2: teams don't address the defensive offense and offensive line. Some
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  Speaker 2: teams back to front instead of front to back. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why. No one knows why. It seems so obvious,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, nobody seems to do it like this. The
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  Speaker 2: Ravens some years they did, some years they don't. Because
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  Speaker 2: they really believe in linebacker. We're like, really believe and overpaying.
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  Speaker 2: But they're just you have to give Joe Banner and
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Floyd credit when they bought the team. That was
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  Speaker 2: part of what they found out through the wallsh system.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: In terms of passing, you should always pass early, if
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to say Quon Barkley. But yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: certain things they brought in and boy that they nail
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  Speaker 2: that all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, good stuff other coaches on this staff.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of I mean, I mean, like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we got so the movement that we know
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  Speaker 1: is Stout and Jason Michael are not with the team anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But who's in so far has been Manion, Josh Grizzard, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Mahaffey you mentioned him, and then this guy, uh Cooper. Right,
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  Speaker 1: so offensive line coach. Sounds as if the running backs
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  Speaker 1: coach and the wide receivers coach are going to stick
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  Speaker 1: around here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the let me just you know again, no, Jamal
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Sickleton's a really good coach. But with I know some
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: fans wanted Aaron Moore head out. You know, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you for a fact that this is true.
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  Speaker 2: But again, as I mentioned earlier at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the show, sometimes you know, I don't know who many
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  Speaker 2: knows who doesn't know in terms of receivers coaches are
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  Speaker 2: out there. I mean, we're really late here, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing, how late we are
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  Speaker 1: into the.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is you know, I've used the example when
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Mike row hired uh Gunch Brewer. Yeah, he hired him
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  Speaker 2: after the combine. There were a number of coaches that
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  Speaker 2: we knew then that they were looking at whatever year
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  Speaker 2: the hell it was a eighteen nineteen whatever year it was, yep,
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  Speaker 2: and they just could not find him. They just could
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: not find that receivers coach. So they went to the contracts.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: As you knew, Gunter Brewer, and unfortunate didn't work out.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Gunter was really college coach. Was MATC. Collins coach at
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Uan C and Mac by the way, it's still get
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: it done. I just couldnt believe it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: But eating receiver for the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Just runing deep. I mean nine years ago, nine years ago,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you got it he was doing that. But but hey,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Morehead seems to be back. Good for him or but
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Darius for people say like, I don't know, I don't
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: know Aaron Moorehead. I've had my criticisms. Darius Cooper was
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: a really good fun obviously for U. I think his
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: name is cam Bradfield. That that Southwest West area scout.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Cam Bradford, right, isn't that Bradford.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Bradford, Bradfield. You found him. But Matt Moorehead did a
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: great job. In fact, I remember watching Morehead really coach
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: up Johnny Wilson hard, I mean hard. He got in
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: his grill. We're not hustling one time. I know that's
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: just a small thing, but you know what, you can't
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: just rely on being a blocking receiver. You might have been.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I know Andrew saw it. We were at that practice
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: where he got after it a little bit.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the ball so what is.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Johnny Wilson sixty six?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty six yep.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, it might have been mac. It was so in weight,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: like half a size mm hmm, not half a size,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: six inches shorter, something like that. And he made no
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: effort to go get the football. And I was so
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: happy because I was so mad. I'm like, dude, go
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: after the bleeping football. And he and he and he
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: got so look again, the guy played in the league.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I understand some people who really have a problem that
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you know, this guy's been here forever, who's developed well,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean aj Brown was a stud when he got
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: when he was traded for DeVante Smith was really good.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Can't say he's not being coached up, but and they don't.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: They're not eleven personnel team. They've not been so you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: since Sirianni's been here now, is that because coaching hasn't
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: been good enough that they haven't felt that they could.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I don't I can't answer that. I don't know that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: But the guys from everything, we know he's for now.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: He's back, so I guess he's back. And they typically
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the Eagles are one of those teams will not announce
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the staff in toil it's completed. M hm. Because I
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: remember we put some stuff out uh in twenty one
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and I was wondering, are we are we gonna get
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: this wrong? Why aren't they announcing this like we can
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: put out like three or four of the coaches and
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: then then I don't know, like it might have been
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: like eight o'clock a night, they put the whole thing out.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: They put a release out. I'm like, oh, okay, I
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: don't know, I know why they're now, but anyway, Yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I think Singleton's a good coach. I think that for
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the most part, coaches have come to the Eagles and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: done well in parts of the game where they may
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: not have done well before. I mean, Saquon Barkley is
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: still not very good in past protection, but there were
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: there are times where he's been looked better at it
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: here than he did with the Giants. And we don't
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: know the autono me as far as the rotation, of course,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: we would love this. We would have liked to have
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: seen Tank Bigsby get the ball a little more. But
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: no idea if that's uh if if that's absolutely his
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: call or not, or how they plan it out in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the games beforehand. All right, so those that's the coaching staff,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: let's talk about to do list year. Adam. I like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that you came up with this idea, and I definitely
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: agree with you that. Now that they've got this new
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: offensive place, and in light of what A. J. Brown
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: said on MICHAEH. Parsons podcast about change is good and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you know, Philly is his home and all, maybe there's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to mend some fences here. I still don't
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: see it as a likely scenario, but you'd like to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: get these guys to have contact with each other. Now
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: there's explain what.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: The rules limit? Yeah, explain it cannot be you cannot
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: coach them at all in the building in the off season.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: You just can't really talk. You're not allowed to talk football.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it is bad.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: The communication is very limited. But my point is on this,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: when they're allowed to, if they truly want to keep
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Aj Brown, I have my I have my questions about that,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: just because you don't ever want to wait till it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: too late to move a receiver. There's so many examples
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of this around the league. We've talked about the alshon
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey one when he got the restructure and extension that
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: didn't work out. Then he completely fell off. But they
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: have intimate knowledge of where AJ's at. They have the tape,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: they know what his knees look like. It's remarkable he's playing.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's very very little time here, but you
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: just don't know when it's going to catch up with him.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And then you got the hit issue that he's got
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: with the timing and not getting the football and use me,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: but really use me, which I know what that was about.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: That was clear because he's knott the ball in time
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: come on to figure out, right. So it's nice that
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: he said all those great things with Michael Parsons, but
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Eagles hold his contractual rights. They'll decide what they want
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to do. And yeah, it's now if he stays, I
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: love to see it because this is a West Coast
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: offense and and and and uh uh. Romeo Dobbs told
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Gil on a show, right, receiver's gonna love this because
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: they're going to get the ball. Why because it's the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: type offense you've got to get rid of it fast.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get all the time.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: No pressure. Jalen hurts there.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I know, I get it. But as long as he's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, he's got to play faster, gotcha, He's got
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to Jordan Love Jordan Love real quick. Yeah, if you
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: saw his tape at at where do you go to?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Where's the Utah Utah state state?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Utah state? I'm sorry you toss state. I Grecos liked him,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: but I I could just tell you to people who
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: work in the league, there was not a lot of
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: love for Jordan Love. That there was like he's so
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: far away from you isolate throws you go, oh this
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: is interesting. But he was so far away, which is
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously ad Aaron rona there, but he sat
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a long time and it also helped him. But now
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: he's a stud, he can do it like Jordan Love
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: did it, and you see so many quarterbacks who who
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: played in the West Coast offense. Steve Young's talked about it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It took him a while, but he said once he
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: trusted the system, Young was way over the place, way
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: over the place. You know. In fact, it looked like
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: he was going to take the job from Montana. Then
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: he didn't, and then he did later on because it
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite there yet. But what Steve said is you
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: once I bought into the system. There's that famous picture,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the video when Young said he could throw up blindfold
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and then he did. He did in a practice with
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Jerry Ricey put the blindfold on him. It's in NFL films.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: You could see him do it because at the time
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and whatever the three or five step drop was or
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: maybe seven, I don't remember. I mean, that's I understand,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that's Walsterer's offense. I get that, and it's different, but
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: it's still West Coast. It's a time based offense, truly
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: a time there's a reason why it's so successful. Right
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: when you think it's dead, it's not. Got kling Kobiak
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a head coaching job. A lot of guys. McVeigh was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a little kid when he was thirty years old. So
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it does work, man, But we'll see what happens.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, you know Love's got a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: big arm. He likes to drive the ball down the field.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And you know that. We know Jalen Hurts likes to
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: drive the ball down the field mostly outside the numbers level,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: will do it between the middle of the field more
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and between the numbers more. But maybe that's something that
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: this offense can unlock from jail on Hurts. But certainly
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: there'll be opportunities to cater to what Hurts likes to do,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: which is throwing the ball down the field. Now, the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: question is will aj Brown be one of those recipients
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: of that. We don't know, But as much communication as
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you're allowed and permitted to have to see if this
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: thing can work, or you can convince him. But I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: like you're the only one that's brought this up, by
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the way, the only one that's brought this up about
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the contract part of it, that he's coming for the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: later years of his contract where the numbers go up,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and that's usually a time when the Eagles will say,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: let's get an extension to lower the cap number. But
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You're not going to give a Brown who's a been
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: unhappy and be not producing fourteen hundred yard receives that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna give him an extension and try to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: lower the cap. So that makes him right now, Like
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you're saying, even though you take a big cap hit,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you can still get value in return for trading him.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, it's trading this post tune one and you
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you try to Yeah, it's it's it's there's a big
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: cap hit with it. I mean it's it's not great,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: but you can make anything work. We've learned that the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: hard way with the Wentz trade, taking the biggest cap
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: hit in NFL history at the time. See, it's so funny.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: And I tell people, always look at the cash first. Always.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I've learned this the hard way. I've been yelled at
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: by contract managers for clubs like, dude, why are you
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: so obsessed with the cap? It's cash first. I'm like, Okay,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I get it. We're looking at cash always, always, always first,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: because I report to the owner. I don't report to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the media because the first thing we want to do
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is the owner onceon't know how much do we owe them? Okay,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: they're not They don't give a bleep what the capit is,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: like you deal with that. We care about how much
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: we have to pay them.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: So her uh AJ's cash number for twenty six to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: twenty nine million last year is just about the same,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit of more than that, but a week
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: at the point of diminishing returns. His option bonus is
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: full of guaranteed. So basically just about all the cash
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: is full of guaranteed. They would never cut him anyway.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of if they're going to trade him,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: is a team willing to take on that cash like
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you could, you could redo his contract prior to the trade,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you'd have. This happens a lot around the league, not
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a lot like I've seen some deals. When it's happened,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it's not like totally foreign two clubs. But he assigned
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: for twenty twenty nine. The cash actually goes down in
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty one million. His cap number because
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of the option bonus structure, is less than the cash.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: But the real thing is the cash yep, and turns
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: twenty nine in June. Greg co Soel has asked of
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Mike gil Show last week, I mean he did say
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: there were a couple, we thought the effort could have
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: been better. Okay, yeah, Greig says, it's not an opinion,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it's what the tape shows. It's not like that. He
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: said it with Jordan Davis. He he and he's so
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: happy for Jordan Davis, as Greg said repeatedly when people
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: are killing Greg on Twitter. He goes, Okay, you can
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: hate me, but the tape, this is what the tape
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: looks like. You don't see the tape, so you don't know.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Tape tells him that there were times that that Aj
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: could have given a better effort. That's that's real.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And to your point, by the way, on the money,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the cash of his deal, there's a lot. There are
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: a decent number of teams that have quarterbacks on rookie
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: contracts that are still trying to con that can contend
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that obviously could take that on. I mean, plus the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: cap is jumping up in the other god like twenty
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: five million.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. Give me. By the way, do you
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: know what he did? Like I uh, I forget who
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: told me this? Either Joe Banner told me or a
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: contract manager. He goes, if we got like four million
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: extra under the cap, do you know me, we could
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: do two extensions. Well not big ones, but right because
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you make the first year cap number so short. Yep,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know it's hard. You know, I'm a visual I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: can It's hard to show it, but sure anyway, so
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: we'll see what they do. It's It's a fascinating situation,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: no question about it. It's a major story, the aj
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Brown situation. And they got to talk about connection. We
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: know that Neck's great with it and I know how
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: he gets fairly connected with his players. This one is fascinating. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: other there. And really, Jalen's got to have an understanding
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So whenever they're allowed to talk to him. You
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  Speaker 2: can't talk football now, but whenever they're allowed to.
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  Speaker 1: They got the change that man, they really got to change.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget that eleven CBA, which is so contentious.
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  Speaker 2: I could not believe that this is what the players wanted, right, like,
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  Speaker 2: this is of you know, and and of course the
• 31:45
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• 31:58
  Speaker 2: be a happy medium.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to have these guys in the building,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have him working out. But to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: be able to to not have any communication I think
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: is extreme, right, not any communication about football, which we
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: know happened anyway.
• 32:12
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• 32:15
  Speaker 2: you just mentioned this, I totally forgot about it real quick.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: This is the thirty second story. So coach, I know
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: his receiver had a veteran receiver had a down year,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and he flew to see him. He wanted it to
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: sit down with him so much. He cared about him
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and just wanted to connect with him because the guy
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: had a bad year. This is a number of years ago.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And he Yeah, they did it when they're not supposed
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to do it, but it was probably it was more humanistic.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: It was more about connecting and less about football. She
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: wants to see where he was mentally, Like the guy
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: was struggling, had a bad year. Guy beat him up.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: The receiver beat himself up over it. He couldn't get
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: out of his own way, and that you know that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that's that's being a good coach. And I know the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: guy that the guy told me like he really worried
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: about him. Andy, you know you're not probably just not
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: supposed to do that, but he did it anyway, And
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you know what, that's that's been a good coach. Carry yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and you know the the fact that your life,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: what's going on in your life would not intertwine with
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: what your profession is going.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what happened to me.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Ye point, you can't like necessarily separate them. So like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: when you say you can talk but not talk football,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that's hard. That's that's too extreme. It's like, well, what
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: if there's something's going on in your life related to football.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: But you don't know. I don't have the the Yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have the rules in front of me. H,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: but I know that it's so restrictive. And this is
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: coming up from the twenty eleven CBA, which is one
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: of the most ridiculous things. I just could not believe
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: what the player. I understand, they don't want to be
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: badgered for, you know, in the building. If they're going
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to there to work out in February, March and April,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: whatever the cutoff is, that then it could start finally
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: start talking football, right, I understand that, but it's just
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: way too ridiculous. It's it's so restrictive, and of course
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the owners were happy to sign up for that because
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: it didn't cost them any money, right right. Uh.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: The last thing we can talk about is along the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: same lines, is connection between the new offensive line coach,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: who we only briefly touched on it. But like you're
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: replacing a legend, it's going to be very, very difficult
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna be under an amazing amount of scrutiny
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: just from the outside, but then also from the inside
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: because these guys loved them, were so loyal to just out.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So again, it's good that Cooper played the game. He
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: might have an ability to connect in a way that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: different and then stet one. But that's got to be
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: an important part of this to do. Let's just get
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: making sure that the connection is there, the understanding is there,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna be doing a lot new running
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: formations and stuff, and that the line knows what they're
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: in for.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah. I I wonder if they're allowed to
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: give them the playbook when I talk. I don't Again,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact rules are about on
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: your point, because everything it's going to change. Are they
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: allowed to like give them like a playbook on structure
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like but not talk to them whatever they help? If
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: they what, we'll ask the NFL. We have to catch
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you check in this. What exactly are the coach is
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: allowed to do? I don't know if they've redone it
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. I haven't checked into it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It's about time we do. We need to kind of
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: refresh our rule what they're allowed to do and not
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: allowed to do. But I know for well over a
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: decade such there were specific limits what you can do.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: You're stupid. But oh well, it doesn't help anyone get
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: better when you're not allowed to talk to him, as
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: as Dick for Meal said, he said, nobody gets better
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: without practicing. Probably it's a truism, but I don't see
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: how anyone gets to learn something if they're not allowed
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to be talked to early. But we'll see.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just did a quick Google search and found
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: some some NFL, h CBA stuff. Apparently you know you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: can We obviously know you can't do the supervised workouts, practices,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: film study, but there is a pre phase one rule
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: where you can have the do you want to tablet
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: hard drive?
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, say what month? Say what month pre phase one?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: So I would assume that means immediately.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, Well I don't know that because I just know
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: is that April? Because you know they start earlier. Now,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I know that new head coaches have a little bit
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: of leeway too, But what I like to know is
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: how restrictive is the off season communication? What could they
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: do in February? Are you allowed to talk any football?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: For years, it was not allowed because the player did
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: not want to be bothered when they go in the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: building working out right, and then whether they or not there.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: They like, what are the exact rules in the building
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and outside of the building. I'd like to know that,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: so we'll look into it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I think this was established after the original
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: agreement because people realized a little bit how ridiculous some
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of this stuff was, and that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I've asked coaches in recent years. It's very still pretty restrictive.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But I don't know the specifics I like to know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, I think twenty twenty is what I'm seeing
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: here is when they they add that pre phase one.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: That is Yeah, I don't know when that is, gotcha.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: If I can see that real quick. Yeah, it doesn't
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: really specify what exactly the month was here and what
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I'm reading. Look, but I'm I'm you know, listen, hey,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: uh go watch packers tape offensive lineman, right, Go watch receivers, quarterbacks,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Go watch route concepts, because there there's gonna be a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: La floor influence in there. That's that's where he was last.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: That's that's where that's where, that's where he's drafted. Yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and again you've got you've got Grizzard, who's got the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: other Actually.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Actually he was he was more drafted. He was drafted McVeigh, right.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he was drafted by mcfait. But I'll talking
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: about Grizzard. Grizzard has more Shaahan background. So I'm dying
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and there's no way to know this, but i'd like
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to see. It's kind of cool though. Let's see how
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: they're gonna mesh yes, you know, and and how do
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: they get Hurts comfortable because he's gotta be on board
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: whatever they're allowed to communicate, if they're allowed now to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: do limited stuff to talk to them Jalen, whether it's zoom,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: whether it's in person, whatever the case may be. They've
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: got to get on the same page. He's got to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: understand what's coming yep. And the sooner that sooner rather
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: than later. They've got they've got to get a feel
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: for him. He's got to get a feel for them
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: because it's going to be a sea change.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Here, absolutely all right, And that's exciting for us. And
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: we'll continue to talk about the Eagles to do list
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: on the next podcast, along with any news that develops
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or that we find out in between. That's gonna do
• 38:32
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• 38:37
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