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The Copley Woods Encounter · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: July 1983, a woman walks to her kitchen window just after sunset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something immediately feels wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The poolhouse light is on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The door is standing open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She knows she's shut both before coming inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Minutes later, she drives down to investigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the light is off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the door is closed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the garage door is open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She searches the property with a rifle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't find anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No intruders, no footprints, just an uneasy feeling she can't explain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, an 8 foot circle of dead grass is appeared in the yard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing will ever grow there again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wild animals refuse to cross it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the family dog won't
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[SPEAKER_00]: That strange circle would eventually lead one of the world's most famous UFO investigators to uncover a case involving missing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Generations of bizarre experiences, mysterious phone calls, and a family that may have been experiencing something for decades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Copley Woods encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a, it's a wild one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of found a process for myself that is actually working out so far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm listening to more audiobooks on the bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I found this one just to random by it's called intruders by Bud Hopkins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let me tell you, it's fucking crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this thing is filled with some of the most bizarre UFO accounts I think have heard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something so interesting in regards to UFO accounts because of how they change each account varies in these just bizarre ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is why I think Steve and I tend to cover UFO stories so much because they're just so they're vastly different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in most cases, they're extremely unique.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're just easy to kind of get trapped in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this story in particular follows a woman named Kathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's centered around her and her story, but throughout the book, if you guys decide to get the book, which I highly recommend, he uses other cases as references to Kathy's story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes it really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but she got a hold of Bud Hopkins and I believe the I can't remember if it was a TV show or I know she read his first book, which is called missing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, she seen some pictures in it and it prompted her to write Bud and tell him about her story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now bud, didn't get a hold of her letter until a month later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it gets sent to his publisher who was kind of lazy about sending the letter forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless, she kept reading his book and realized that she was checking off all of the boxes that kind of fall into this subduction scenario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had the same mailing system that we do apparently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if Bud Hopkins is a name that you have heard before familiar with, he is the one that broke the missing time phenomena into ufology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he was the one that put the pieces together and started noticing that trend which is awesome in abductees which is very awesome and significant yes uh but Kathy would have partial memories UFO production dreams alongside disturbing mental flashbacks
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now when Bud got her letter and opened it, instantly 15 pictures fall out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to catch your eye rather quickly, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He noticed one image in particular that looked just like where a UFO and landed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a circular area of ground where the grass inside it was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy wanted to tell Bud about two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The situation surrounding the photographs
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the landing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: July 1983, around 8 to 9 pm, she was planning on heading over to a neighbors to do some sewing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was standing at the kitchen window and noticed that the pool house door was open and the light was on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which struck her as weird considering she remembers shutting off the light and closing the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy decided to drive down there and check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she did that, the light was now off, and the door was shut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, the garage door was open, which she notes they always kept that door shut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oddly enough, Kathy seems to ignore it and go to her friend's house, which was just a street over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But still thinking about what she had seen, she calls her mother,
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[SPEAKER_00]: who she was currently living with, calls her and tells her everything and asks if she wants her to come home and check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy said her mom sounded kind of nervous, which wasn't like her mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said she had seen a bright light by the pool house and then it moved up to the bird feeder, then grew to about two feet in diameter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: these extraterrestrials are leaving things different for the purpose of attracting people to it because you would think they would be smart enough to put things back the way that they left them but also you hear an abduction case is them not being able to figure out how to put people's clothes back on exactly or are they just completely oblivious to it does it just not matter to them there's like whatever
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's both, I think there are situations where they will try to draw people out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think they're like with the clothes and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They either don't care, they just don't process it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it goes both ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in this case, her mom said that the light just looked like a spotlight on the bird feeder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy comes home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she does the light is now obviously gone, Kathy does the sensible thing and grabs her dad's 22.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And decides, you know what, I'm going to go out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to find whatever's going on out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to put a stop to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for Kathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was she was brave AF.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she doesn't find anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't have finding her dog hiding under a car out back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a good sign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No Which is out of the normal for the dog because the dog was usually one of them dogs that like if a stranger came into the yard it would lose its shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a good sign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this time though, it was different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their dog Penny was terrified and hiding, like she had to coax the dog to come out from underneath the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as most of us would do in that situation, you know, Kathy shrugs it off, goes back to her friend's house, continues to sew about until about midnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then her and her friends decide you know what it's hot he and the night and these these people must have been just some crazy night owls They're like you know what let's just let's go for a night swim Which all goes well until the next day They notice the burn spot on their property
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy said no matter how much he tried to manage it, you know, nothing grows there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dad tried to reseed it countless times over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing didn't ever really get it to come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also noted that the wild animals wouldn't go there either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Penny said the dog just straight up avoids it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And another interesting observation is that birds even stopped flying to the bird feeder because of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just, the birds wouldn't even fly through the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of weird to imagine, like a cylinder of no go for everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that is strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In here, you hear that more often than not that like animals are more in tune to it than people are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like, and how they react to it as it's like an apex predator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is gross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the photos that butt acquired from Kathy showed a roughly eight foot diameter circle of dead grass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is pretty typical of what I want to assume is a UFO landing spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, the Stranger aspect is that a 49-foot-long swath that ran perfectly straight and was roughly about three feet wide, also had dead grass in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, had this circular landing spot and then you have this just completely straight block of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: dead grass as well, coming off of the circle spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a walking path?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good way to imagine it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really bizarre, haven't heard that before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bud said at the end of this line, it ended in a perfect arc, which looked artificial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said that two smaller jogs came off the main circle and that one of them had contained a deep crack like something that's super heated to the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So by itself, this is a pretty interesting story, and will be in absolutely insane fine, but the latter continues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now Kathy tells Bud about her sister Laura.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the summer of 1965, Laura left one night around 430 to go take their mom to Bingo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on the way home from dropping her off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was passing the church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laura had this bizarre compulsion to pull into the church parking lot around back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As she does this, she noticed how there were no cars around back, which was strange for a Sunday afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As she parks, she looks up and sees this silver object.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's up in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She notices there was red, green, white, and these lights were red, green, and white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were somewhat flashing, kind of strobing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing was, it was hovering soundlessly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was above the lot and at roughly telephone height, telephone pole height.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is pretty fucking low to the ground considering, you know, an aerial object.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're in town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're also in town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a daytime sighting, which is even weirder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Laura turned the radio down to see if this thing was making any noise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next thing she remembers is that it's dark out and she looks up into the sky and whatever was there is now gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went and got her mom and I soon told her about it because after that, they went driving around looking for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, crazy story by itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we could all agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was abducted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that her and her mama were nuts for trying to go find this thing again, but almost like they're saying, hey, we're not done yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go ahead and take me again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you, do you think, if, okay, this is gonna go a lot of ways, do you think these people are chosen before the UFO ever shows up or do you think they are abductions of opportunity?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, it seems like per this story and per a lot of research, somehow these people are chosen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I thought, which also makes me wonder if during abduction scenarios, if only the abductee can see the craft had that particular time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's a yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's a yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the intended person is probably allowed and everybody else gets kind of fucking
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mushed out somehow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 years later, 1975, Laura goes to get hypnotized so she can lose weight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Laura is not Kathy, so Laura is the one that just had the missing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: her sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes ahead and tries to lose weight because one of her friends did it and her friend actually had pretty decent success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, I need to get hit my thighs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm saying not if they're going to tell me I was a nocturne, but, well, it's crazy because it doesn't technically play out that way, but it kind of does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, her friend had some success with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Laura goes and does it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she starts to have these bizarre experiences alongside the hypnosis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first night she came home after being hypnotized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes to bed and wakes up not being able to talk or hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laura also noted that her vision was messed up for a little, you know, a little while after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell it was, it was kind of old school during this because, of course, you know, so Steve imagine your wife waking up and she's like, hey, I can't fucking see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can barely hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, all right, cool, I'm going to take you to the ER.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know what's going on, but we're going to the ER.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something's up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we take sure to the ER and basically, this is what it says in the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I've never actually heard this before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they, she takes her and they're just, they can't figure it out so they're like, listen, here's some tranquilizers, go ahead and go back home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sleep it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sleep it off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just said, like, that's, they use tranquilizers several times in the book here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, I've never actually heard anything referenced as tranquilizers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing I thought of was like some something to calm you down But I think it's more or less like a sleeping pill Yeah, she already can't see and can't hear good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like Yeah, they just yeah like you said go sleep at all leave it off So this goes on for a while But it gets it's gradually getting in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gradually getting better her vision all that stuff She's also going in the opposite direction of what she said out to do though
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[SPEAKER_00]: The hypnotist told her things and this seems like a very old school way of
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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to convince people to lose weight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the, the hypnosis told her things like, hey, potato chips and candy are fat slices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just gonna eat fat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess what he was essentially trying to do is find a way to make her subconsciously be grossed out by things like potato chips and candy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she must have still had a hell of a draw to potato chips because she would still eat them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oddly enough, it made her feel great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, almost like she was withdrawing from a drug and she would eat the chips again and then
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, she calls up the hypnotist and she's like, what the fuck is going on with me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe maybe he messed it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's just not taking to me because it does happen in in certain, because even today you'll hear about somebody who's like, you know, I went and got hypnotized to quit smoking and I did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I quit smoking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, so she's like, all right, let's, let's figure this out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was more less hoping like, hey, maybe he just be able to fix it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go back and he can rehabilitize me and it'll all be gravy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the moment she hears this dude's voice, she goes fucking feral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She becomes incredibly violent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally wanted to
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[SPEAKER_00]: which according to Kathy is the complete opposite of Laura's demeanor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not like this at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost like almost like the phenomenon is trying to protect itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know like they know that if she gets hypnotized correctly she's going to remember i think that is exactly what happened and it's trying to do what it can to not have that happen and you'll i think you're dead on because i also have some collaborating evidence to that that thought process but he's he's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's like, all right, well, you probably have some sort of block, and that's why it's not working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless, you are probably going to have to go see somebody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Goodbye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially, he was that taken back by what she said that he's just like, we're not we're not working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, first of all, you tried to attack me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're not doing this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the effects of this, all this eventually were off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laura was left with this bizarre thought, though, by the end of all of it, and I know it doesn't really come to fruition or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason, by the end of this little stretch, Laura's left with this thought,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that by the year 2000, the world would be totally different than we know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be only for the young and strong, which as all predictions go, was completely fucking wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people today, in 2026, I would argue, are complete cices, more proof that aliens are full of shit, just throwing that out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When did this take place?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 80s?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 70s and 80s because it's they almost gave her the same thing that the gal from my from last week's episode was where they just like hear some anti anxiety medication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you can sleep it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you can sleep your ex or your demonic position off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I like here take these tranquilizers so you ain't got to think about your alien abduction Yeah, yeah, it's just appropriate for the paranormal right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sleep it off guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Cathy is a letter with my mother and I have had a few strange experiences Cathy's is mostly vivid dreams her mother and her both have the same scar on their right legs though
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[SPEAKER_00]: she said a nurse told her one time that it looked like it was a scar from a bone marrow test or from a pin that had been in her leg like if you had a broken leg and they drove pins in Kathy goes on to say that at first she had one scar now she has two on the same leg the same size everything two scars on the same leg there I think she said there were about three inches apart now
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy left her address and phone number, but ends up calling Kathy on September 15, 1983.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They speak back and forth for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With it all ending, believe it or not, with Katie agreeing to meet up with but in New York.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: At Mind You, this sounds more rushed than it actually is.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They conversate for quite a while.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And throughout the book, it does this, it's well written because it does this like jump process where we're here, you know, we go to New York, but then every aggression happens.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we go back to the original story.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So like this main story that I just said to you, you're probably going to hear it a couple more times, but you're going to have, you're going to hear more and more and more detail to this
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[SPEAKER_00]: as she remembers it as she remembers it makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is like for a read it's actually really compelling read and listen because it does like it reads like a story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes it really easy to consume.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But um
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[SPEAKER_00]: Buttons of Connor, September 15th, 1983.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, they speak back and forth for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She greets good New York.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Blood was thinking that maybe Kathy and her family have a lot more going on.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wants to dig further into this.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually gets Katie, or Kathy, sorry, Kathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her name spelled a little different.
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it kind of confusing me.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets Kathy to agree to do hypnotic regressions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is a little bit saucy.
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm open to it.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, but also talk with Kathy's family throughout this period.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of digging around asking questions about her and her truthfulness, you know, how is she as a person?
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of does this with every family member.
27:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He he he masterfully kind of like walks these lions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to figure out the types of people they are and like it's just it's masterfully done because they'll be talking and then they'll be like you know what's what's cat these medical history like you know can we get into that and he'll dig around in the medical history just very casually and
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But all of this is for a reason, you know, he's trying to determine if she's honest if she has middle illness, she's got this, this and this.
27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do you have to do?
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to do as a journalist in the paranormal, you know, you have things you have to cover and things that you have to exclude and and trying to navigate those waters I feel like is is the art form.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:07
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was done respectfully.
28:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good.
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but he, like I said, he gets talking around.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking with her father, you know, asking about our truthfulness and stuff.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And her father's like, listen, man, Kathy's actually the type of person when you talk to her about this stuff, she actually will underplay
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: all the strange that she actually, she'll try to find rational reasons as to why something could have happened, which most of us do in regards to the paranormal, we try to rationalize it away.
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve and I talk about that all the time.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy had been having bizarre dreams.
28:51
[SPEAKER_00]: as you know, even as of the meeting, which as we've dug around, we've had and heard many times people encounter extra terrestrials and they will have weird dreams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the world shit, I had super weird dreams in my youth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can remember having vivid nightmares of these bars of light that would enter my room and I knew they were scanning for me because I could remember in my dream, I slept on the bottom bunk, I would be curled up with my legs to my chest sitting in the corner of the bed in the corner of the room, trying to hide from these bars of light, and in my dreams there
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The bar of light would barely miss me and then I would have dreams of light where they would catch my leg or something and I would be found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But beyond that, I never remembered anything.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So terrified.
29:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the dream would just stop there.
29:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, Kathy had a dream about in the middle of the night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was sitting up awake and was facing two strange gray-faced beings who were all the way up against her bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: one of them had a small black box with a red light on top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she refers to these gray beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she only reference one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She references one and she calls it the man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all she says.
30:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how she acknowledges this being.
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: She says the man that held the box as she still put it moved closer and handed it to Kathy in a bizarre fashion
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[SPEAKER_00]: as this man, quote, unquote, moves forward, the other gray being in the room moves forward at the exact same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are mere images of one another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them were moving complete unison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said when they handed her the box, she remembers thanking, oh please don't come any closer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said the beings had large heads and skin that was dingy white, almost gray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their eyes were pitch black in color, almost like liquid, shimmering in the dim light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also remembers not being able to see their hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they handed her the box, she could not see their feet and legs either because they were so close to the bed.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me goosebumps.
31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Just listen.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gross, dude.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gross.
31:42
[SPEAKER_01]: something about great aliens, tell you what, you got them big old punchable faces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're terrifying.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't, she also doesn't remember seeing in a mouth or nose or ears.
31:57
[SPEAKER_00]: She also said they were about 45 feet tall, slide of build.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another weird thing is that they called her by name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also talked to her like she was a child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also is terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Knowing that they know you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: She said the one, the one being said Kathy, then hand her the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She asked if she could have it and they're like, no, just look at it.
32:27
[SPEAKER_00]: After a minute, they took the box from her and at this point, she was really confused.
32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, what?
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it used for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The being looked at her and said,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the being said, look at me.
32:42
[SPEAKER_00]: She was thinking to herself, do I have to?
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, you know, she looks at him.
32:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, or he said, when the time is right, you will see it again.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You will remember, and you'll know how to use it.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
32:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, or whatever, you know, and like in other cases, we've read when she looked away from this being she was fucking terrified, however when she looked at it, she would get the sense of calmness and that's the only time she would be able to communicate is when she's looking at it because outside of that she's freaking out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, you hear it over and over and over again, something they have something about them that they can tap into our brains and make us feel that that that that apathy that I mean or even beyond that to to comfort.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: make us feel like, hey, we're okay right now, but as soon as they break that gaze, you are not okay.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You are somewhere you do not want to be.
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not the first time we've covered stories like that.
33:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That's terrifying.
33:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Terrifying.
33:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next thing she remembers is waking up and I do appreciate Bud's points because the interview Kathy's sister husband and mother who all remember her telling them about this dream after it had happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It also predates his book on missing time and the movie close encounters
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it, you know, it tells him she has no outside influence on this type of situation.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if close encounters of the third kind was the first, typical gray portrayal in film?
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so maybe a good question.
34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy is prompted to tell about another dream,
34:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is fucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy, Kathy and her mom are hiding in a closet because there is a big thing in this guy and mom is real scared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then suddenly she's pulled from the closet and I'm terrified I'll never see her again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy said she didn't understand why, but there she didn't understand why they're supposed to be scared of the thing in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said all she can remember is that they were scared in their closet.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, keep the stream in mind because later maybe it's right here, so hang on a second.
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So bud was on the phone with Kathy's mother one night and asked her about these dreams.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: She said she can recall one dream and it was that her and her oldest, okay, so yeah, this is it.
35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy just relayed this dream to bud about how she's afraid and she's hiding in the closet, right?
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
36:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Blood calls Kathy's mom asked her about if you she you've had any weird dreams.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Her mom's like, yeah, and here it is.
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: She recalls a dream that involved her and her oldest daughter, so the oldest daughter is Laura.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Not Kathy.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: The mom's dream is that her and her oldest daughter, Laura, are hiding in a closet, which was in Laura's room.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: They were hiding because two people were in the house that wanted to take her child.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: In the dream, the closet had an attic space, and she would take her oldest daughter, Laura.
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[SPEAKER_00]: shove her up into the attic, to hide from the beings that were in the, well, the people that were in the house, those same people, and that is where the dream would end every time.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's weird about this, bud was trying to figure out the connection with the dreams and trying to find explanations for it.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He did find something interesting when he was interviewing Laura.
37:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He said she revealed she's always had this bizarre phobia.
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: She's always been ever since the little kid she's been terrified of attic spaces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much so that she has every house that they live in.
37:32
[SPEAKER_00]: She has her husband.
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if there's a hatch to the attic, she has her husband, Nailum, fucking shut.
37:41
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how scared she is.
37:43
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know why.
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just like, I have this unrealistic fear of attic spaces and I make him seal it off where this isn't, we're not doing this.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: that's terrifying yeah and they've been in more than one house and done this it makes like my brain immediately went to this is correlate with a lot of phobias that we have good it's not something happened that we don't remember that makes us terrified god i was taking a uso yeah that's bullshit
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was taking on a regular UFO, no, I'm scared of heights.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm afraid of water.
38:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn it.
38:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy was asked if she had ever actually seen a UFO.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: She told Bud that when her and her friend Dorothy were young, they would go driving around in the boonies.
38:43
[SPEAKER_00]: She remembers seeing a weird light a few times.
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: one night when they were driving she noticed a flashing light up ahead and she pointed it out and there's this at this point there's you know there's car load a kid drive around and one of the kids in the car started laughing at joke around just like that you know that's a UFO well the light gets closer and all of them start to feel uncomfortable can't they remember stopping the car to look at it
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: From there, memories become cloudy.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really remember what happens next.
39:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody was a U.F.
39:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I really ask whole.
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, hey, if you get a chance, why don't you stop by dorthies or call dorthy or whatever and see what she remembers about that night.
39:35
[SPEAKER_00]: The very next day, she calls bud and tells him what she's already found out.
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So that night, she gets old of dorthy and aspirin, you know, in dorthies like,
39:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you mean the light in the sky or the light on the ground?
39:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The one we got out to look at.
39:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
39:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy's like, I didn't remember a light on the ground.
40:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, she remembered, she barely remembered getting out of the car.
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing she remembers is that another friend who was in the back seat her name was Roberta.
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: She was hiding on the floor in the back seat, scared of death, or scared of death in one to go home.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing she remembers.
40:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy said the next thing she remembers is getting into bed at Dorothy's and her parents alarm clock going off.
40:32
[SPEAKER_00]: She knew it was done by when they got in, but she can't remember what they did in all that time in between.
40:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So clearly there's there's another case here at missing time.
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I can't imagine the only thing I remember after seeing a light strange light in the sky and getting out to examine it was coming back to the car and seeing my friend hunkered down in the floor board in the back floor board of the car.
41:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Well imagine going through life thinking that was just like, cool, like if it's just all gravy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: how they make you rationalize.
41:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost like they force you to rationalize those scenarios.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That alien, like alien amnesia and alien apathy are real things.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They make you not even think about it, not even comprehend it, just like, oh, yeah, just another night, Roberta's hyperventilating in the back floor board, but it's okay, man, man, this is what it is.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like I said, the book reads like a story and it does move around a little bit.
42:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna jump forward a little bit in time.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kathy and family began to have a strange series of phone calls.
42:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So in 1980, Kathy was pregnant with her second son, Tommy.
42:29
[SPEAKER_00]: She got a phone call that she just couldn't understand.
42:32
[SPEAKER_00]: There was, there was background noise.
42:35
[SPEAKER_00]: She described it as sound like a factory runnin' it full throttle, like just all this ambient, like almost mechanical, busy noise, right?
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: She also heard a voice and she said it would like, it varies from the noise that it was making, it would moan or mutter and regardless of what came out of its mouth, she could not understand what it was saying.
43:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Instantly she assumes like one of my friends is playing a prank on me.
43:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who is this?
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And the voice like she's asking this into the phone and the voice just continues doing what is doing.
43:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That's terrifying.
43:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it doesn't even acknowledge that she said anything in the phone.
43:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It just keeps doing what it's doing.
43:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy asks a few more times and I just kept doing this thing.
43:29
[SPEAKER_00]: So she just ends up hanging up the phone.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: This phone call happened on the Wednesday afternoon, and then the following Wednesday afternoon, she gets another phone call just like the first.
43:45
[SPEAKER_00]: The next Wednesday, same thing.
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
43:48
[SPEAKER_00]: The one after that.
43:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing.
43:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Every day or every Wednesday around the same time, almost three
44:01
[SPEAKER_00]: don't know.
44:02
[SPEAKER_00]: These calls keep happening for months.
44:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets to the point where she gets tired of it.
44:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So she calls the telephone company and the police.
44:13
[SPEAKER_00]: She also changed her phone over to an unpublished listing.
44:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So on a Monday afternoon, the telephone company calls and lets her know, hey, your numbers unlisted now.
44:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a new number.
44:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
44:33
[SPEAKER_00]: A few minutes later, the mysterious phone caller calls again.
44:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But this time, the voice even though you can't understand what it's saying, Kathy could tell it was angry.
44:48
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the only time she got a call like this on a day that wasn't Wednesday.
44:57
[SPEAKER_00]: what makes a situation even stranger is that more than one person takes these calls at Kathy's house.
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just not just Kathy just related to her.
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it gets so
45:16
[SPEAKER_00]: commonplace.
45:18
[SPEAKER_00]: The Kathy you basically get the, you know, it's Wednesday, three o'clock.
45:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Next phone call is probably going to be this.
45:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So what she do, she's like mom, answer the phone, mom answers the phone.
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: She hears it.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: One Dorothy's over.
45:39
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like Dorothy, and to the phone.
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They all hear it.
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all say the same thing.
45:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like this moan, gutterial noise is, and it's so bizarre because sometimes it has a motion, like it's angry or it's sad.
45:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes it's just flat and neutral.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all, so all of them must have probably answered more than one time, heard it, dealt with it.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: The big kicker on the call,
46:10
[SPEAKER_00]: The phone calls do end up stopping.
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: They lasted a total of nine months.
46:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Only stopping when Kathy gave birth to her son Tommy on September 22nd, 1980.
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those wins today.
46:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
46:30
[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
46:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But it gets weird or Steve.
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: On top of that, three years later, when she finally met with Bud, he was questioning her about her mental health and her overall health.
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Just trying to get a feel for her and every aspect.
46:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously trying to rule out being insane or something like that.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But what he found out doesn't make any sense.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: are they healthy?
47:04
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yeah, they're they're both completely happy and then she kind of pauses and she's like, well, Tommy has got a really bad speech problem.
47:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He's three years old and doesn't speak at all.
47:17
[SPEAKER_00]: which worried her enough and prompted her to have him tested.
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a brainstem and brainwave analysis of among other tests to make sure he was okay.
47:28
[SPEAKER_00]: All of it comes back clean.
47:30
[SPEAKER_00]: However, Kathy later on confessed something else.
47:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of floors everybody around them.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Her son just so happens to sound like the mysterious caller.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and beyond that, they have no explanation.
47:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's literally where that, that lead stops.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
47:55
[SPEAKER_00]: The noises, because he can't talk.
47:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So the noises he makes sound like the mones on the phone.
48:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Sound like the mones and shit on the phone.
48:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, they.
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And this would have happened before he was even born because it took place during his pregnancy.
48:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And stopped after he came into the world.
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the first thing I think maybe they were just checking up on
48:16
[SPEAKER_01]: her.
48:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, they knew when she changed her phone line.
48:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:23
[SPEAKER_01]: but do they does he think that it was the kid call?
48:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he has a clue.
48:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was just one of the anomalous things that happened in his investigation.
48:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I have to log this.
48:33
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
48:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, you hear of like, surrogates and then taking the embryos and raising them on the UFOs and then having them birthed hybrids and all this crazy shit.
48:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's weird.
48:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking strange dude.
48:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a curve ball at the end where the voice on the phone was also the voice on her child.
48:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my spazard.
49:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we get to the point where, and once again, this theoretical, well, this storytelling meet-up happens several times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it's just different iterations of these stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to the point where Kathy and Bud finally meet up in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe, from, like, they work with each other for years after, like, throughout this whole process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has to get the talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They figured out some interesting things about Kathy's initially UFO sighting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one with the pullhouse in the strange lights I mentioned earlier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, the light was a weird color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, so it was the light inside the pullhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: she said it was more of a fluorescent light like a white light instead of your typical yellow light like everybody has in their house right yeah so the structure is struck or as bizarre and then something else
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[SPEAKER_00]: started to become clear as they start to rewind that night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They started tracking the time during the conversation and she quickly realizes that after Kathy had showed up to search the property with her dad's 22, roughly about 9 and 30.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She does a quick check, goes back to her friend's house, she theorizes she should have arrived back in her friend's house, anywhere between 9 and 45 and 10 o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, she doesn't end up showing up there until around 11 o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So by all accounts, she loses an hour of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, like I said earlier, when Kathy did show up at her friend's house, she suggested they all go for a swim, which they all did, but as they got there, her as they get there and they get into the pool strange things begin to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One girl on the walk to the pool steps in a warm patch of land with her bare feet and thought how strange it was at the land or the ground here is so warm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went inside the pool shed and started to change into her swimsuit and as she's doing this, she starts to feel very bizarre, just super nauseated and super dizzy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, when everyone got into the pool, mind you as a very warm night, they had been in for just a few minutes when all of a sudden they all start to get very, very cold, so cold, they all decide to get out of the pool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As they started or also, they start to have problem seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kathy said her eyes got all just all types of fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She even went to the doctor and the docs that it looked like she had conjunctivitis and both eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is there is even a little bit of pus in her eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing worse than alien pink eye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what she had?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what that is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fancy name for pink eyes conjunctivitis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Aliens is farting in your face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's gross.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They steal you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know where you're going Get Ali and pink eyes So Then all of them begin to get these ways of nausea Oddly enough Kathy's neighbors down the road Unknowingly witnessed the UFO at her house
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[SPEAKER_00]: one neighbor was cleaning and she noticed a flash of light by their house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also her neighbor's house was shaking so they thought maybe Kathy's house was struck by lightning and even decided to call them to check up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, she told Bud that it was the strangest thing even though I'm sitting there and I think my neighbor's house had just been struck with the by lightning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I should call them and check on them, I can't, I can't bring myself to make that phone call, I just can't do it, so fuck it, I'm just going to go to bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any land apathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how crazy is that even like how almost like what you brought up earlier,
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[SPEAKER_00]: how people outside that initial like zone start to get influenced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's almost like it affects all of the reality that is observing it, you know, like the slip, slip particle theory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I don't really write down, but it gets even stranger later on in the book because they once again revisit this night and they revisit the neighbors and I think a couple of the neighbors experienced rumbling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They thought a plane was going to fucking crash, so they just went to bed well, and then
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[SPEAKER_00]: was a power outage, right, the digital clocks in the house and get this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on one side of her house, which would have been the the side that's closest to Kathy's house, the digital clocks were flashing like the powered went off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the opposite side of the house, things were fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was almost like there was some type of like magnetic field or something that disrupted so far into the house sort of surge or something and then the rest of the house was fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super bizarre.
55:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And since I got to do that so fast I'm gonna read a little bit from what would be by next episode on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also asked Kathy to send him soil samples of the affected area because, you know, beyond this night, they wake up in the morning and find the, this is when they find the, the UFO landing side, all that shit, which is what the girl unknowingly walked through that night when she walked through that super warm patch like it had just taken off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she had walked through that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kathy sends him soul samples of where, you know, the suspected UFO landed, she said the ground was so hard there that she had to like jump up and down on the shovel just to get it to go into the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The soil here was a grayish brown color, and in the non-affected areas, of course, it was your typical brown black color, but it said it was hard and dry almost like gravel rather than dirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, unfortunately it was weeks after this landing when he got samples, so most of the testing capabilities had been lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they did note that in order to get the normal soil,
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[SPEAKER_00]: To look like the UFO landed soil, they had to put the normal soil in like an oven and heat it up to 800 degrees for more than 6 hours to get it to match to closely match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The soil sample.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking extreme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was over six fucking hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say UFO did it in less than an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.
57:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they ever go into whether or not the friends ever remembered anything like where they ever, I don't think so.
57:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because it would be interesting to see how their stories corroborate, corroborated, but I also get not wanting to be regressed on an abduction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it like become super double down on Kathy because there's section there's a section one but finally realizes oh shit This isn't just an investigation.
57:58
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an active investigation
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are things that are actively happening during him spending time with Kathy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that puts all of it to the forefront of his focus.
58:15
[SPEAKER_00]: because it turns into, like, it's just so crazy because what starts as such a mundane, like, oh, hey, Steve, I've had weird experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had some dreams and some weird shit here to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Turns into one of the, the most compelling abduction stories I've heard in a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, of course, this is, this is from a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this should have, not ultra long ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is unfortunately pretty fucking long ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't it isn't you know, and it doesn't feel like it right But yeah, this story should definitely be way fucking bigger.
58:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure people have tried to pick it apart But I don't know it's just crazy how as they go through hypnosis
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[SPEAKER_00]: more and more becomes unburied.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not I'm not kidding you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna hear in the next episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How wild have a turn this story takes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it makes some pretty fucking hard left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is terrifying too, man.
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't love that part because like I think what makes it even crazier is that that's the one thing that's scary about regression now that I think about it because here I am saying I would consider it but the one thing that I think is like is the scariest part about it especially in Kathy's case here it really does seem like she's not just retelling what happened that night
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_00]: she's reliving and she's re-experiencing and I'm gonna say that because there's what makes me think about it is there's a part where she's being regressed and she says she feels pressure in her nose and then it breaks past her sinuses which causes her lot of pain and she says she can feel something
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_00]: going down her throat.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And in real time, she's laying there on the couch, like trying to clear her throat.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_00]: She's squirming and kind of, you know, swallow in real hard.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she's actively refilling it all over again.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That part is really fucking scary.
1:00:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you really, it's almost like you're choosing to go back into time and relive the whole encounter.
1:00:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen to Barney Hills.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a fancy carry.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, that's like, that is a grown man terrified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is say and something.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really dig when you grab these cases that like, I've heard about impassing but never really deep dove into which is essentially a lot of cases we've seen with the Roswell like some of the stuff that you pulled out of Roswell, like I had never even heard it.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And being a UFO guy, you would think that at that point we would know,
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of stuff.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, and I don't have to be fair.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I never really, of course, I've heard Bud Hopkins name countless fucking times, but I've never really looked into his cases.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never really paid that much attention.
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'll just have for this one book.
1:01:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually have a lot of respect for the guy because the way he methodically handles his investigations.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it speaks a lot about who he was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he took it very serious
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_00]: what he put into it because it shows you know he paid he handled everything with like Kathy very professional and Just took like she would call him and this other woman all hours of the night and you know He would they would talk it in you know because she there's one where she's actively experiencing something Like like no joke
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm something is going to happen.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I am experiencing something and she's calling these people talking to them about it.
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Just fucking imagine that.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine, you know, you and me talking with somebody and they call you at two o'clock in the morning and they're like, hey, I'm being abducted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something is getting ready to happen.
1:02:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that gives me goosebumps.
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And that, that kind of journalism is what the phenomenon needs.
1:02:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dude.
1:02:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to be fact-based, but it also needs to be empathy-based.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, I don't know.
1:03:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He just, he doesn't really fucking good job.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, he cooperates things.
1:03:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I also like the fact that kind of like with the phone call.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really like this style.
1:03:16
[SPEAKER_00]: where there's a weird experience and you log it and you log it because you have no fucking clue what it means what it is but you still log it and you still put it out there and most likely in hopes that somewhere down the line either the story reconnects later on or somebody out there is like I know what that is.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a puzzle piece.
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a puzzle piece and I appreciate that style
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_00]: would hear that story and like, well, there's no real connection to this.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to throw it out.
1:03:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to include it.
1:03:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gone.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all the puzzle piece.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And five, ten years down the road, you'll be doing something to be here in another.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Encounter and you'll be like, oh, shit.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard this before.
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.
1:04:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll connect.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how you figure shit out.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like I said, I really enjoyed.
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I've enjoyed this book a lot.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's crazy.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for it.
1:04:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, and there's going to be
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a lot of stories in this book that I leave out.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just focusing on Kathy for the most part, but he includes a lot of cooperating stories that are very graphic, very adult in nature, if you will.
1:04:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know youngsters are listening.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very adult in nature.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And you should, you know, kids should not be here in that stuff.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
1:04:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to include that stuff.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll include what happens to Kathy, which does get a little adultish, but not have as adultish as some of the other cases.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, I don't know, man.
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_01]: obduction just ask me out i don't i don't care what they think i don't care what you think about aliens what you think they're uh intent is why you think they're here whether it's for the good at the universe yada yada yada if you take someone against their will manipulate their bodily autonomy manipulate their emotions you are manipulate their memory yeah manipulate their memory
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_01]: doing things to that person that needs you to manipulate their memories and block them out is fucked and be you can't tell me that that's something good.
1:06:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, I'm not, you're gonna lose that argument with me every single time.
1:06:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, man.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
1:06:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see where this one goes.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it gets fucking weird.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what, that's what we're here for.
1:06:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely a strange case.
1:06:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so make sure you tune in next week, because you ain't going to miss it.
1:06:25
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:06:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, thanks for choosing us this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to hang out with you.
1:06:33
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we appreciate you for tuning in and being part of this journey, being part of this community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you get any phone calls from your future alien hybrid