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Do old faces equal new beginnings? · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: to old faces equal new beginnings.
• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you hear about teams and fans talking about playoff wins.
• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But have you ever thought about what a playoff loss could tell you about the future?
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's rock.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tony Darn, end up to it, but to do it, brother.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's row.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're Caroline O'Panthers fans Having so school-hurst O'Panthers news and opinions Only one podcast Roars for roses for you If this is the end of this podcast Wow, wow
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: you want to talk about consistency and you think about consistency, you should think about the C3 Panthers podcast because see her every Tuesday night at 9 p.m.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you should also think about somehow my intro getting bumbled and fumbled as a fantasy notification of LeBron James who I have no care about in this world at this moment.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot to change the volume on my phone.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But guess what?
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is this
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is what we are built for at least I'm built for.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: My name's Tony Donas, the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not football experts, but we are expert football fans.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're here every Tuesday night, chopping up the latest Panthers news and opinions from the fan perspective.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do it each and every week with my wheel man.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody Lack, how you doing my friend?
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Turn it down, code doesn't happen, there's nowhere to be on the Tuesday night didn't sit in here with my boys talking panther football man, listen, we have a fun show in store for you guys tonight, the return of some potential old faces, the potential return of some old faces that might be able to bolster our offensive line depth.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where is J.C. Horn ranking amongst NFL corners in the eyes of NFL executives?
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: One type of momentum is brought down, giving the team going into 2021 and we're going to do something fun to know.
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to break down some of the Panthers best playoff wins and losses in the team's history.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And boys, we're going to do it.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: with the best damn panther fans in all of the YouTube.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got Joe with the blind panther.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Barry's Fort Highlights.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jake, don't snake in the building.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Wiedrick.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nova Black was a brother, Panther pickle, and VR, the hope, Dylan, Tony Dunn.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a Tuesday night, and then to it, but to do it, let's roll.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love to hear Nova Black is in the chat.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of my favorite people in this world.
• 3:11
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• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Better is good as we try to continue to find some momentum in the doldrums, doldrums of discussion when it comes to football.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So much that I actually watched
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: where I think most a lot of a a lot of people around the world I heard the projected of viewing ratings for USA Belgium was pretty freaking high like as in this is was a big deal and I hate to say it they blew it they weren't any good they weren't any good and they were out match the whole game.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't even like food to ball, but I love football, but I will support my country, and I guess watch sports that are available CK.
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: What it surprised you, I was we're going to try to develop a discussion tonight about anything right where like a Cody message me and I felt like he was in depression.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, oh, God.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Got any ideas?
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm right here, scraping the barrel right now, trying to come out with something.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, here, I got one for you, not for him as, but I'm going to tell you.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what is the rate of a team coming off a first round loss in the playoffs?
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Success the subsequent year.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I went researched teams that have lost in the first round.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: and how they performed the following year could it tell us some pathway.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought, hey, this is actually kind of a cool question right for no questions at all.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: The answer was about 40 to 50%.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you know what it basically said?
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wait this is that it's a coin flip.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you make the play, guess what?
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a coin flip for every freaking team.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It almost feels like this is the rate of teams who did make the playoffs, making the playoffs.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: coin flip anyway.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, we are digging deep into the barrel.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: C. K. Glad to hang out with you.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good to see you and always better to talk to you as we just catching up.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's always great.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hope the family's well.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do my friend of family's doing fantastic.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um,
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're just finding a way to add more things to keep us busy, which just continues to happen.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not bad.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a single week.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But man, it's always a good time to pause and just spend some time talking with you guys about the Panthers and having some people for whatever reason to decide they want to listen to us.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: join us here and be a part of the family.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're always thankful for all of you guys being a part of the chat, being a part of the conversation, and continue to tune in, hitting that like button, hitting that share button, letting people know who's got some of the the greatest and most controversial views of the Carolina Panthers.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: But also one of the only podcasts
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: That will not just force feed you the same opinion across the panel, we all have different opinions.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: We argue with each other.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you guys can hear what it feels like to be a Panthers fan in Charlotte or anywhere else when you have other Panthers fans around you.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're happy to have all you guys and being able to to enjoy the company of these fellows because we've been doing it for a while now together.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, we're about to try to retire Tony.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think at this point, right?
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I always say, you know, I've said since the beginning we did this show is when I think of it is what I wanted to be is again, not a football expert,
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we're right, I always have talked about this is the goal of the podcast is a group of people I would say the boys my boys, but what's been great about this podcast
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: in our viewership and our people have gotten a no now I could say I say people because some of the most avid panther fans that are in this this community are women so it's like a group of people riding to the game talking shit riding back from the game talking shit you don't agree everything it's fun and I do want to talk I don't really want to talk football football
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: soccer as we call it in the United States uh Jake 97 the snake said it was a snooze fest Tony we start defense actually showed up you know what's interesting is I have had a long history with just being a hater on soccer on purpose I didn't play it as a kid
• 8:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like a stick now, right?
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, now I'm just lean into, I leaned into hating on soccer for so long.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: A couple of things I always had this running joke is that I could fix soccer because it was boring.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He called it a snoozefest.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have any of these world cups that I've watched have been the most exciting, not the most exciting, but like scoring is happening finally in soccer.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was always historically the problem with soccer as you watch this longass game is one nothing, two, one, one, two nothing.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That may even he called this a snoozefest and there were still five goals in the damn thing.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now four of them were against the US.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was the most exciting, not most exciting, but back in the day I had this stick CK is let me fix soccer and I used to make an analogy to Now you guys are too young for this and I'm a hockey fan.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cains Stanley Cup champions well done.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot more hockey fans out here.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: By having the greatest goalie, when the greatest goalies in the history of the world, I think it was Bird Door, and that was his name, more Tam Bird Door, and they ran this thing called a trap defense, they played like a Ron Rivera football game.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like where it was meant to, not score goals, they'd just slug you down, get up one, one go in.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the NHL made this big push that like, because the popularity was going down and within NHL, other sports were starting out past them MBA.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so they said this is what they did two things is they opened up some of the rules of hockey to make it a faster.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: paced game like I think they took away the two line pass rule.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But one of the things is they shrunk the golly pads were too big.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They made like the pads on the golly actually smaller because these dudes would stand in the goal and they would be awesome, but they would also take up the entire goal.
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like, inch, like, not enough thing.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I always said, like, look, his hockey made these things to enhance scoring, right?
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like they took these efforts.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, that's what.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: soccer needs to do.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So my three points on the doing that now, too.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a new rules and spinning it up and out there have like an entire challenge.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I used to, which that one slows it down, but yeah, they are.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it is.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing is it's about making even the NFL has done this, right?
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's trying to make the game more offensive oriented because it makes people excited.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, to have different areas of the soccer fields, if you made a goal from that, that maybe there were worth two points.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can have a three point shot.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know that would, right?
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or every five minutes, you know how when they do the three point challenge or the three point contest in the NBA.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: The last ball counts is like two.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: or whatever it is, three is like, what if every four minutes, the ball flash for a minute, and it was worth more points.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got this.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the true thing that how my real answer, one of my jokes that I've made forever, and it's cheesy.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's my favorite.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: The problem, the analogy to hockey was, is that the damn pads were too big, right?
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can't, and what would be the logical solution and soccer would be make the gold beggar?
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Making easier score, but the gold is already a size of fucking school bus.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can't make it a bigger.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pitch is huge.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe shrink the pitch.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That might help a little.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So my answer is this, is they always put the biggest strongest athlete in goalie.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the most, he's the cam Newton of the team.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's who the goalie is.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you take the sign from a cornerful that says you must be this high to play go to to ride this ride and you change it you'd be like you can't be taller than this.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: to play Goli.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jockey Goli's was my solution to speeding it up.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So here he called it a snooze fest, but I'm looking at these, this has got to be more scoring than I, and C. K. Are you, do you follow this, you know?
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've followed until the, you know, the game last night, and then I'm like, all right, I'm all out on the World Cup now.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like most Americans only follow to the extent that USA is still viable and like in the competition and in the minute that we're out we're like We're about to call on this kickball.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just feel like there's been more gold scored.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But in this whole world cup, then I'm used to hearing in past world cups.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: do I think that if I'm being honest with you, what they should do is while I agree that they should find a way to speed up the game, they need to penalize Flops.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, they're that way.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do I have it?
• 14:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Am I?
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Am I out of my mind?
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are they just the cryost?
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I tweeted last night that this
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They look like LeBron playing basketball.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, I mean, you got to keep in mind, it is a part of the game.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're coached to do the things that they're doing because it's going to be like, it's going to stop the momentum of the game if they're behind.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to give them a rest.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You get to keep in mind.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: These guys are running nonstop for an hour.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like there is no break for them for that time period.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: They might get subs down, but they only have what five subs per game.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that time.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have a have a but it's an hour and then another hour.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they don't have like line changes.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: She cares like Man, this poor guys limp in and there's like running around still
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, it's it's it's it is taught that way, which I guess is making it's not so problematic that the players are doing it.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is problematic that it's something that they encourage and that there isn't something to fix because I'll tell you there's a lot of people who watched that who said this is why I'm never watching soccer.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's like the NBA dude.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was the big controversy of the week when, uh, and the previous game for the USA, their best player, uh, ran into one of a god.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He ran into this dude.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: The dude just flopped all over the place.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like a fish.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He ends up getting a rank card.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he was supposed to be out versus who did we just play Belgium?
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Belgium.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then fucking Trump said, hey,
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: They change it from a red card to a trump card.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's been a big joke going around the Uno card reverse anyway.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right, CK, I watched, and this is another thing in look is let's get into the show, but I watched, I was watching the NBA finals and my 13 year old daughter who plays middle school basketball.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: She had just played her second first or second year, but she started to get better and get
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit more.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: She said, that's a double dribble.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's up, but that's trout.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, I mean, they're just walking everywhere in the NBA.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're flopping everywhere where even a 13 year old kid is calling it.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, um, the soccer, they are.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: They some be crying crying crying crying, but you said, it's not good for the, like, if you're, if you're FIFA, right, or any organization that is, you know, sees this.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is your single greatest opportunity now that the World Cup is in the United States in the current world that we live in where it's clips and internet and everything is so prevalent, right?
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have far more eyes on this than we any American, you know, outlet has ever had on the World Cup.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you absolutely need to change the narrative because there are too many people who watched this soccer for the first time with this world cup and their first reaction in every level of social media that you know, you can look at is.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: what's up with the flops like every time everything that I would I would see come across my Facebook page was what's up with the flops what's up with the flops what's up and I'm not on social media enough to be able to say that it's a lot it's like every it was when I would log in that's all I would see so you would think that there needs to be an address man they need to address that because I think it really hurts the optics of the of the game when they have a haven't set up that way
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also think it's a cultural thing too, like if you grew up outside of America, you grew up watching soccer, and it was just a part of something that you did, whereas there's been this real push to make soccer more popular in America over the past few years, and
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: as someone who lives in Charlotte, man, listen, I know for a fact that these Charlotte FC fans, especially when they're in the playoffs, do they get turned up?
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're excited.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's being more proud.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's getting to be more more of a thing.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's only the world's most, that was the joke that when I used to make fun of soccer, it were in my friend, he said, you're trying to fix the world's most popular sport.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he used to say hashtag fix world cup, but you know, it's going to take a while for it to infiltrate, but you know, I guess from the momentum is starting to go there, I heard somebody talking today on the radio because Raleigh has a big youth high school, like soccer, like his team too, they're saying it will be, but they're saying in this right, it's a rich kid sport.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: because you got to pay to be on these teams.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to travel like is you got to get this funny because you know why soccer is or football is the most popular sport throughout the world is because this cheapest fucking sport play.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: You just need a ball.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You tell me what nowadays.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, you it's cheap in that instance, but tell me what sport in the United States is cheap anymore.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's insane, dude.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you have played, these kids have played Greenville, North Carolina, big for a little league, baseball, little league champions, a lot and stuff like this and these travel teams.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: These parents are spending $1500 a week in a go travel round, get the hotels.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now they're buying like $800 bats, but the bats do have a life on them.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're like, oh, it can only take 500 dings.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I know.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: and that, but then they have these, what is stupid?
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and actually here, let's segue to this is why.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why the athletes and we'll talk about Cody where we up at first because the athletes today in the NFL or every sport are the greatest athletes of all time right of the history of the world because now kids are getting you can be a middle school right now in train with former NFL players and Greenville North Carolina when these Carolina right and like that's what you do you do you already start to train think about Bryce young being coach since he was
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: six years old to be where he's at.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking top where part of it is top Panthers play of losses, but did old faces equal new begins.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where we start tonight, let's get this from football before we just run this show into the ground talking about anything but what we thought we were talking about.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so jumping into the show tonight, a familiar name has been in the news recently, and that is one, Brady Christianson.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is from the Charlotte Observer, but we're looking at this via Anthony Resouti from Panthers Wire.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: says Panthers Free Asia receives big news ahead of training camp.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The comeback continues for Carolina Panthers Free Asia according to Mike Kames, the Charlotte Observer, all fits of London.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brady Christensen has been cleared for contact in his recovery from a criminal killer stare.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: The 29-year-old who spent each of his five NFL seasons with the Panthers remains on the open market ahead of a training camp.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Christensen sustained the devastating setback in the 2008 of the 2025 campaign.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: He spoke with Katie about the zeroing in when it's returned to the field.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm always looking for the best opportunity, not only for me, but for my family as well.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And being a fellow especially on the Olaid, you don't have a long career.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The next opportunity to get back on the field, have good games, have good films, so that you can keep on going from there.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: The former third round pick also confirmed that he's remained in touch with the Panthers throughout the recovery process.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now boys, I kind of feel like there's an unwritten agreement between Brady Christensen and the Carolina Panthers like, hey boy, get back in shape.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: get healthy, get back to play in shape, and the minute that we need you, we're going to call you.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we're not going to play you.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know, every year there's been on the team.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has played meaningful snaps.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So knowing how often this offensive line has been injured, to me, it's kind of a no-brander that you would want Christians in to still be a part of this team.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has played so the final line here over his five years in Carolina, Christians in lined up at every position along the offensive line, all 285 of his offensive snaps from this past season came at right guard.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: So am I wrong here and saying that a team or an offensive
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: is a more stable offensive line because no matter where you're sustained an injury, you could fill him in and he'd be able to sub in in an instant and more than likely play very well in the process.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Brady Christians and will be a panther this year.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: For sure, I mean, it's going to be in a affordable addition.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the thing is, he's going to be on a prove it, deal again and it's going to be cheap.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to be cheap and he's got a familiarity with the team.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, you'd like that type of versatility from a dude.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, this is the, um, look, is if he was healthy and play, you know, playing and did all of that and he might have tested the market a little, you know, and, and it would come down to five, that 500,000, you know, whatever that made his decision, but he's coming off an injury, he hasn't had really started capacity, nobody else is.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: the fit is here right the fit is here for him the fit is here for the Panthers some fortunate and it's fortunate too at the same time right so I think the idea is is that you want depth right Cody and honestly him having an injury makes him cheaper for the Panthers
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and do he looks good, man.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, for someone who is recovering from any killies, he looks really athletic, he looks in good shape.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think people sometimes forget that when he was coming out of college, PFF had him ranked as like the most athletic.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: offensive tackle that they'd ever graduated.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the dude, you see why the dude has been ever to play every position.
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: His versatile is big.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like six foot seven, athletic.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the dude is a really good athlete and it's definitely hardening that he isn't getting back to health.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very soon.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I mean, I remember being the dude that was paladin, the table, for him to start at left tackle, something like an opportunity of last year.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: An opportunity that Matt rule never gave him in his first year, even when we could have him probably should have.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know, to me, this guy has played too much for both of the
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Laterally, in the position on the offensive line, there's no reason to not.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's unfortunate that he's not going to get money money because he's had an injury, but you know what, if you are trying to get your way back into the NFL, in a sense of like you are a fringe player or a rotational player, not saying fringe.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to be insultive, but rotational player that people that, you know, maybe better than game credit for, but now you have this injury, if you want to make
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: this is the place that it could help him.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like while he's going to have to take a discount obviously his familiarity with the organization that like is this would be an opportunity for him to find a way to take this season and maybe turn it into more football in the future.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, what's next, Cody?
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Brady Christian sin is no longer your starting left tackle clearly.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, but old faces, new beginnings.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have we gotten a top 100 update on JC horn?
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not a top 100.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Still everywhere around in that.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where are they at on that?
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me believe that.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe they're in the 70s.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way there's still not into the 50s yet.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're smart.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're milking it because enough.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Always do.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they always do everything.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: They always do like I talk about right now for the 10 weeks leading up.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they usually do 10 every week.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's good.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's plus 70.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It will maybe he's a we hope.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He better.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: If he doesn't make the top 100.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sure.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here we will.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be talking shit about everybody who says J.C. Horn is the best corner ever and what the fuck is this list about?
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He better make this 100.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where is he?
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody because he's making big money as a corner.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where is he as a corner in this NFL?
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so, uh, she is apparently not only is it number eight on our roster in terms of his number on the team, but apparently he comes in at number eight on the list of top corners in the NFL.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what he makes me mad.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think, uh, there's not seven better than him than him?
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to hear.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have the list of people that are ahead of them?
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have the list.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can pull that up.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can try to find it for that.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Makes me mad is I like JC horn.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there are a lot of people among Panther fans that think he CK is the like the bat.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just awesome.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Freaking awesome, which I am okay with them filling that.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But why is he on eight?
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's eight.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like for what that stand fan crew says about him, which I want to believe them, what the Panthers paid him.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would think that man, can we get this, it's not he, I mean, I don't think that's bad.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Top 10, not terrible thing.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think it's a,
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm going to ask you this real quick, CK.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you surprise that on a list of corners, top 10 corners, did you expect them to be higher than eight on the list?
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And not not based on his performance last year.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not that bad.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're very consistent.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't bad last year, but he wasn't like he didn't earn the contract.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he didn't play to the contract that he got.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Cody, tell us.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, 10 this group of.
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's living off of.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's living off of two years ago.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... maybe so uh... saw a gardener who was he just living off his uh... the very well still he was really good but the jets and then he was traded to the colds and then he had a lot twelve straight yeah he kind of fell off a cliff and did so then horn
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: is at number eight, as we've already discussed, then Denzel Ward from Cleveland Browns.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a reason to love him?
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not going to count.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Denzel Ward was abused.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Queen John Mitchell number six for the Eagles.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Trent, my daughter for the rams.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: He got traded through the rams and played for the Kansas City Chiefs.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Devon with her spoon for the Seattle Sea Hawks.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really shot up.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then we have Christian Gonzalez number three for the Patriots.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, Derek Stingley Jr.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: the guy who went one pick ahead of jc on in uh 2000 when did we tractor uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh yeah um yes yeah he was a of a certain number nine and horn went number eight and that would have been the year after Derek Brown I believe.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Justin Fields draft actually you know what the only thing the fucking pisses me off about this list is that pattern 10 number one Not because I don't think pets for teens a good good good player, but I want J.C. Horn and Pastor Tane bat like Pastor Tane is I mean he has played on a very very good defense
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and they've got better over the years.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just pissed that you got that.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's kind of like if we did a top 10 quarterback list and your boy from Houston's up there and we got Bryce at eight.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, come on.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, this is
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also, let's be real.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the reasons why they aren't flipped is because of what that article mentioned.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, JC dealt with a couple of injuries early in his career that kept him off of the field.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's a plus of injury in college, but not in the pros.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
• 32:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that JC, who weren't when they went to the combine and did all the testing, he was clearly the better athlete of the two.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I personally felt his film was better, coming out of South Carolina, but that certain has just been
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: the definition of what you want.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, Sir Tan, how the convincing grip on the process is listening more than 75% of the first place of votes.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not close, the season then the fellow coordinator said, a generational player wants the AFC championship game.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here was the best
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Paul Mancini says, why be pissed about another man's or player success?
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of weird.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: What I'm, you know, what is that might be weird?
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe though I'm pissed that JC Horn isn't number one on this list.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll take you should be number one by any means, but damn, you go back to the storylines.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: that are intertwined and you said it.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Eight.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're intertwined.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're storylines and legacies will be are kind of similar to Bryson and Brown and Bryson.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, just talk about it.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they'll talk about it.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not rooting for Pat Santane to be bad.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm rooting for JC Horn.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: to become number one on the list, and this is a part of the conversation.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't put up a word.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: We see this.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who gets paid more?
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It makes more money.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty sure.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think he got paid more.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, because yeah, they were right around the same time.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: J.C. Horn makes slightly more on average annual basis.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Four year, 100 million extension, 25 million per year, 70 million guaranteed.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Surtane got seven, all right.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So basically, they, they make the same exact money.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Stories intertwined contracts intertwined, Cody Willes, J.C. Horn.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: be higher on the list after 26 seasons.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm thinking so.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the upgraded to be made to this defense, you know, to me, I've said this before.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all predicated on past rush.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: If the Panthers can get back to affecting the quarterback, you saw the Jason Horn was able to do that here with some of those athletic and receptions that he was able to make on his own.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if the Panthers can go back to having is self-vocating front seven, then I think not only the JC horn, but and my Jack are going to start to feast at a level that they haven't even seen before, I think there are great tandem of corners and dude, I'm still very believe in JC horn.
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... at the right now the only player that has his kryptonite is crystal often for the new world in sands who and let's be real against the better of jacing horn damn near every time they play he certainly did last year so this year we're going to really need him to get inside the hip pocket of every corner that he faces and put that seat belt on
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think it's a start to be considered even higher and higher up is less in the coming years.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think with now you're good with JC horn.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you write, I mean, the moment that we can be more impactful in all the other areas of the defense, you do open up for mistakes to happen.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's complimentary, and I think that also is something that can happen.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the things that I think that hurt our sack numbers last year was because we just so frequently played off the off coverage in a lot of zone and that opens up a lot of quick easy passes for an offense, which means that.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not what you would call a coverage sack that really takes place in a lot of those cases, and so I think I think if we can start to have those things compliment one another, yeah, I think you could see that he moved up this list I'm not.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: that he wanted.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think eighth pretty good for what he is.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't think one is, you know, do we want to be at one absolutely, but I just don't think there's been any part of his game that is indicated that he should be considered the best cornerback in the league.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, again, I want to make this abundantly clear.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want it to be the case.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to be able to say we have
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just I don't know that I've like the the problem was when it comes down to him being a game changer in a lot of ways he's really good in the first half of the games because he'll get his interceptions in the first half.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: But then the second half it's he disappears or he's getting a penalty that by and large might cost us the entire game.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Paul Mancini as a something that Lens to which you talking about, he says, Horan's biggest issue, he loses focus on third down at times and gets burned deep.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Place two, four off on third and long too often.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, a lot of this comes down to is these players can be great.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers defense has to be better overall.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: for him to grow into the greatness, right, that you can, you can hope.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying this is I hope that he creeps up this list this year.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and that means that the Panthers defense is better, that means he's playing better.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: To Cody's point though, that the increased pass rush can help.
• 39:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: One thing I think that could be
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a detriment, but the Panthers we, you know, they went and got off into Wyman first round in this draft, which we think is the best pick we've excited about it.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But who's the guy that went to the Eagles?
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he went to the Eagles?
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, he didn't.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: The guy from Oregon, the white kid that could ran the four whatever that was a safety, we were all kind of excited about them.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the Panthers increased past rush helped certainly.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: We still don't got that rangy safety, though.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you got Nick got Nathan Ransom.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I think.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think a rangey safety helps bail some corners out of some of these problems at times.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, or keeps the ball underneath a little bit more.
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully the path there's increased cash risk will help.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, I mean, improvement improvement, improvement, I want to see JC horn creep up this list.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's a disrespect.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that damn I'm just like, gosh.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying anything.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like that those those stories are intertwined when we got next good.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, it wouldn't be a pod if we weren't talking about Bryce Young and his ability to potentially basically give this team a shot in the arm for some optimism
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: heading into 2026.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Young has been named Carolina's biggest reason for optimism, and this will be the question that I'll ask you guys, but Josh Petrie had touched down the water and says, not too long ago, but ton of questions should have rounded by the young at quarterback.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now the conversation is very different.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it time for the training wheels?
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is time for the training wheels to come up.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Rams during the regular season and they lost to them 34 or 31 the wild car round.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Being in the game with it seemed like the Rams gives hope for the future as the panthers continue to build around Bryce Dill.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He shouldn't keep improving and maintaining his newfound momentum as an NFL quarterback.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: If young picks up right left off last season, then Carolina will be far more dangerous than most analysis seem to think.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But consistency will be key as the 24-year-old's production has left a bit to be desired.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: If the Panthers go into this season, let me just ask you straight.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: is Bryson, the primary reason why Pantheophans should be optimistic about this 2020-26 season.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's many reasons, but this is the primary reason.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a hard question to answer, because I think there's a lot that are right up there with Bryson.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the, the, what bright shone is bringing to the table for this team and why there is optimism is, again, we've talked about it at Nazium every year he has improved every year he has gotten better year over year over year and last year again, while in consistent was a significant step up from what we had seen in this previous two years.
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I think that arguing that he has, you have some optimism with regard to Bryce Young.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that makes me most optimistic, the reason that his level of play is I'll say yes, it gives you the most optimism is because you have a lot of really promising weapons on this offense.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that can bind with Bryce Young's trajectory.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: elicit the tremendous amount of optimism.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And his ability to close out games.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to answer, yes.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think he probably does have off of the most optimism to the theme right now.
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tony, I asked you the same thing.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is Bryce doing the biggest reason for optimism amongst Panthers fans?
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if not, what leaves you more optimistic?
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I won't say it's the biggest reason, I think he's given us reason to continue.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: his given fans, the organization reason enough to continue forward with him and to not believe that he I've said this is right now we talked about this is in some of the kind of the back end of last season before the playoff game also when we entered free agency and things like
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: is right now Bryce Young gives this team the best position in comparison to other options that they had.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which is blowing it up and drafting and trading or going and trying to come like I think it's this is Bryce's given enough to like or I think he's played better.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: then yeah, so just like I wanted to see better than the year before, but I don't think that he gives us the most optimism.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the most optimism comes from the front office and continuing to stay the course, build a strong team to not panic and to put Bryce in a position to maybe
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: that player.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need right now.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what I expect from Bryce.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't also have a projection and being like he needs to do this is what I want from him is ultimately what I want from every part of this team and that is to be not significantly, notably, noticeably better this season than they were last year.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go ahead and play the contrarian here as I'm out to do.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that Bryce is the biggest reason for optimism, just because we have seen good performances from Bryce, but we haven't seen a lot of sustained high level success from Bryce.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He averages about 170 yards per game, which is, you know, that's average.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: until I see Bryce do that continuously.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't say it's the biggest source of optimism.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: To me, my biggest source of optimism is how much we've upgraded the defense.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're add two past structures and last year's draft and next squadron and Prince of your family.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that those guys are going to take a leap this year.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But now you then add the hunter in the second round of this year's draft.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: and then in free agency by far the biggest piece is Jalen Phillips and I think all of the best pantheres teams which we're getting ready to look at some of them here in the many as we discussed some of these playoff performances but I think the best pantheres teams
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: all have fast, aggressive, suffocating defenses.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to me, the Panthers in 2026 have the best opportunity that they've had in a long time to replicate that former defense or success.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am optimistic about Bryce, but I'm not as optimistic as what I feel this defense can be going forward into this year to meet its defense.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it look is I'm not being negative.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying I have no, I have equal optimism kind of across the board for everybody.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, like I don't have a driver of optimism like I don't know if it's like I'm not just going to come out and just I don't I don't even need Bryce to have this killer fucking breakout year.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I need them just be a lot better.
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: more in command, more in control, more better than he was.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not to say he's bad and not this.
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're not getting better, you're going backwards in the sense.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is I don't have crazy expectations for the defense.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a lot of expectations other than improvement.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Improvement is my expectation for this team.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be disappointed if they don't improve and I want to put that to every single player on the team every position group everywhere So my source of optimism comes from the front office Continuing to push us what I think is may is
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know one step forward one step forward.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the Panthers are going to leap to what are the top teams But I will give you guys we're going to be hanging out here talking about teams that have had losses and bounced in the first round of the playoffs in year three of their coach
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That maybe, or hitting it up, Cody, you know, before we do that, we got one, I think we only have one cat go.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me go ahead and take that.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no healer.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about optimism.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: We might as well go to the man who instills hope in all of us,
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: The numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety, eight.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Only one call in the hole tonight in the doldrums of football.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you got something to say, here's your moment to say it.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody Lack was in one of these cat calls.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what do you thought it's on cat calling?
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty sh**t. You shouldn't do that, somebody.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And how did that make you feel?
• 49:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, they're incomparable.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, how do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels good, like,
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: We lack the food three legions.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: What up y'all list?
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: I hope y'all are checking in real quick.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: Happy Tuesday.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: A great conversation on Bryce Young's contract last week.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't get a chance to weigh in my thoughts because I was doing some housework with the wife, but I did want to share just a couple of things.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: So what I was thinking y'all, how about taking CKU's idea?
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: a son and Bryce early for like a three year 33 million dollar a year contract but make it incentive late and right to where maybe he can earn up to like 50-51 million a year but it's based on his performance that way it is satisfied both Cody Lack and Tony Dunne a little bit more because I agree he does need to perform
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: keep in mind most three-year contracts are really two-year contracts because a lot of those have an out.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: And the way I look at it this way, you know, if Bryce performs, he can make significantly more money.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: But if he does not perform or if he's mediocre, we still have an out in that contract.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: It is still showed that Dan and Brand are still willing to pay the home
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: but we're not so stuck long-term if Bryce doesn't work out.
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Give me all thoughts on that, man.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Do a decent salary, not the top, but in the incentive of a late and deal for Bryce long, if we sign them early.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Once again, Mr. Hope Dilla, everybody stay focused.
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: He found it.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Hope Dilla.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dealing that hope, that hope you and we be smoking.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that does sound like something Dan Morgan would do.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And incentive laden.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think when you say incentive laid into, like, we need to almost think inventive or forward thinking in what incentives are.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of like, oh, you do this.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get a milk.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is that like, hey, this has substantial progression, right?
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where it's not just like,
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, if you get, it's kind of like if you get a thousand yards as a back, if you make it so it's like, look, if
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that would be, but you almost have to be inventive in a sense, I think, or forward thinking in what incentive is like, and not just performant alone, but in a sense is like, I don't know, but I think you have to think outside the box in what incentives would be.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not just if you throw 4,000 yards, but it's like, um,
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: also don't have to be a lot of incentives, right?
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, like, they have to be significant, like his life.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Panthers make go beyond the first round of playoffs, $5 million bonus.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but it would also have to be like, if, if, okay, you would want to give him a contract that if he did hit those incentives, however grand they might be, they would make up the difference for what a premier quarterback would be making if he took that lecture deal.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So say he's making 35 a year, you're going to need all those incentives should he hit them to equal up to somewhere around.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: 15 million dollars, for him to make the playoffs two years, like, sequentially.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also, like, a certain number of touchdowns, you know, if you went awards, if your name to the pro bowl, if your first team all pro, you know, there's there's a bunch of different ways to skin this cat.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the price can put all these conversations to bed.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to be good this year and then they want to, you know,
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: break the bank up and form.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want him to blow all the expectations out of the water and then, you know, have that contract be justified.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even though I would still be a little bit worried about what all this telling CK last week that he has one incredible season and that becomes too attacking by low with the year after and then what grass is and maybe there's injuries involved.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't want to be stuck with that kind of that contract.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I still think the real answer is to negotiate the contract after this season and if you have a significantly better feeling about Bryce and Bryce plays to the level of this is that you then you just pay you pay you know I'm saying like you're in it you believe in it.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to pay because you believe in the future.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when we talk about the future, I was thinking about this, CK is what, you know, the Panthers had an interesting season last year.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: There were moments early on in the season where we thought it was not going to be good.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of an up and down season.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was every other week season, right?
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: it was the most up and down season you could have ever asked for when a great game lose a bad game when a great game this right and it then you go in you back into the playoffs you don't win that final game I guess what was it against New Orleans or Tampa?
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who was it?
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was New Orleans.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a Tampa.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was Tampa because the Falcons beat New Orleans to send us to the, okay.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, and then you back in, then you have the whole discussion when you rather back in and earn it.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was always of the camp of, I want to earn it.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to get in there.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to get in the playoffs and not be blown out.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, not back in.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not as good as the competition, but the parents are back to end, but then they put up this mega-fucking fight against
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: the Rams.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this game, um, you know, the Panthers were not perfect, but they fucking bald.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they got, they were there right at the end.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: One crazy fucking throw from Matt Staffer to a Titan at the end.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and we've talked about some other plays, the defensive
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, historically a team that makes the playoffs, but loses in ultimately the first round, not the wild quote, you know, we won, it was a division around, right, but I think either way as you only had one playoff appearance in your lost.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my question was, is what does
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: that team statistically in the history of football have they done the following year.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So here's the AI research for this.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the NFL, the built-in parody systems, which we like in many ways, but what they put is in quotes like a harder schedule for winning teams and the draft order.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're kind of we, our draft order was really crushed
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: in that sense.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now we play one of the toughest strength of schedule going forward.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Make it notoriously difficult to sustain success.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Historically, about 40 to 50% of the teams that lose in the first round, the wild call round, make it back to the postseason the following year.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: A closer look at how this turnover plays out across the league reveals a clear pattern.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: The 50% rule of playoff parity on average the NFL sees a massive roster shake up in the postseason every single year.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Since the league expanded to a 14 playoff format in 2020, in the average of six to 17 is that made the playoffs one year failed a return.
• 58:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, why does that goes on to say first round losers, why first round losers are a vulnerable teams eliminated the wild card card round are statistically the most volatile because they usually fall into one or two categories the squeak in wild cards lower seated teams off to nine and eight 10 and seven that grab the final seeds or weak division winners here we come to the Panthers.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Teams that want a week division, but we're quickly exposed in the first round, but they weren't quickly exposed.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: They actually fought, showing maybe they got some teeth and some grit.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: The next year, they are forced to play a first place schedule against other division champions, making their road backs significantly harder.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the historical breakdown for this.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: When looking at what happens to those six wild card losers the year after the defeat, 45% return.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the Rams, they were not a wild card loser.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where the Rams are a wild card team?
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't win their division.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Remember they're in the division with Seattle.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they all right.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: 45% return the playoffs roughly two or three of the six teams will navigate their adjusted schedules and make it back.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: About 40% missed the playoffs entirely and significant portion of suffers from a playoff hangover dealing with roster turnover injuries or tougher strength of schedule.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: about 15% take a massive leap.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's relatively rare, but occasionally team uses a first round exit as a wake-up call, hits their offseason moves and jumps straight to deep, divisional or conference championships.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this applies specifically to the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because they do play a first-place schedule by winning the NFC South with an
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: By only losing three against Los Angeles Rams in the wildcard round, the Panthers triggered the NFL's built-in parody trap.
• 1:00:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because they technically finished first in division, they're 2026 schedule, automatically slates them against first place finishers.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we've talked about their strength of schedule.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does the question of the regression to the mean?
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: roster growth.
• 1:01:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is where the Panthers actually make a difference here.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the regression to the mean.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the mean is ahead because we believe there's an improved roster.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We believe that we had a good free agency.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had a good draft, our coaching,
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: improvement or another year, I think gives us this.
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I want to talk about the Cody.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: What are some historic teams that have been in a situation that the Carolina Panthers similarly have been in?
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, is losing not great bouncing the playoffs, but I was interested in
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's some connections here that might we might find interest in when we look at the three examples of teams that have found in the third year back and into the playoffs or something like that we're losing but then found some success there is a DNA bridge here.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: In 2010, Pete Carroll took over a messy roster.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Somehow, one of historically weak NFC West, 79 record.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They pulled off the B-quake win, but they went 79 and year two, but near three and 2012, year three.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is where we're at kind of with Dave Canales.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: day, their identity got locked in with Russell Wilson.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: They went 11 and 5 and launched a decade long powerhouse.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's interesting here is there's an angle.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a connection.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some DNA with Dave Canalis to this moment.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you have this moment, you can think of this.
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: If we want the Panthers to be one of these anomalies in a sense that is building is ascending out of this, rather than just being a regressing to the main, you have the Pete Carroll, Dave Canalis connection.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: You could talk about a cultural shift in with Alliance where Dan Campbell spent
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: This first year, two years tearing down a broken culture and what you get here is he built a identity driven roster and now the lions for a little stretch were a powerhouse and still not bad but creeping back in and then there's one third last example which is home cooked in Carolina.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2011, 2012, Carolina Panthership Flash is a brilliance with their, my man, Cam Newton, but struggled to close out-tight games finishing seven and nine in year two.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Entering year three, the pressure was boiling over on Ron Weris, not necessarily on Cam Newton.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: But in year three, Ron Rivera catapulted this team to a 12-in-4 when winning team, division heavy title, a defensive heavy team, should I say that won the title.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a young quiet quarterback.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: and skeptics are around, but your defense might be getting better and your three might be it.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to find something for us to say, losing and round one of the playoffs shows we're going forward, but it turns out it's actually a coin flip, but I think we're on the good side of the coin.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you know right now, even though we've won the division, right now, the Panthers have only the fourth best odds in the NFC South to win the division.
• 1:04:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're giving the same the bucks and the Falcons better odds to be NFC South terms.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, but you know, I never complain about that
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I don't know if it was the year three or five, I think it was zero four for Ryan Rivera, but in 2014, the Panthers did something very similar.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The division was not good.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Never made one.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got hot at the very end of the year and we went on a run and we made the playoffs.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that was a moment in time where you could see that the Panthers were building towards something.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the very next year, we went 15 and won.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: We only lost one game.
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I know that's not year 3.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was 4 and 5 for Rivera.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you're three.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: He went 12 and four.
• 1:05:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: The defense was great.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, 100%.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Question are they rising up or they just
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: meandering.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that they're rising up, but again, you have to see that continued advancement at a lot of different positions on the team.
• 1:06:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that we have started to see that, you know, year one from year two under day, we can now this, you know, Bryce has been a little more consistent, not a lot, but, you know, the defense got better in the defensive back
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: they actually continued to be one of the better parts of this football team.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, last year, we had Rico Dowdler, who was just, you know, had games where he would run for almost 200 yards or more, and you're hoping that you can get that same success from your running back position, from turbo Hubbard, and maybe even a Jonathan Brooks, who is now hoping to emerge on this
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that they can happen, but it's going to be dependent on one bus young taking that next step.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And as I mentioned earlier, the free agent pieces on our defense continuing to take that lead into who the people in the front office think that they are, specifically, a jail unfit.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It certainly feels like the Panthers are becoming a better team, better roster, so now it's about growing into that, growing into the coaching, growing into the quarterback, now adding more talent.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel like we're at aging team holding on like some other instances of a team that may have batted in the playoffs.
• 1:07:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, if I'm going to bet on the coin flip, I think the Panthers are on the good side of this when it comes to that coin flip odds, but it is going to be difficult.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the Panthers are becoming a better team over all, I think they have been.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody, we're going to take another call.
• 1:07:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got a, I think maybe a first time caller here.
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what we got.
• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:07
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• 1:08:07
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• 1:08:09
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• 1:08:18
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• 1:08:20
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• 1:08:22
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• 1:08:24
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• 1:08:27
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• 1:08:29
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• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to put
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: to where when he controls the author's suit, he can be able to understand how to push the wall down the field and what's happening, he can be able to make the critical multiple prior throws.
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Then we can start talking about contract.
• 1:08:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: But talking about contract early, here's three literally is now his so-called breakout season.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're only 3,000 yards.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: 3,000 yards, 23 touchdowns, 3 rushing, 11 in a session of 5.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not really worth speaking about a construct at all.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he really showed that he can be of it control.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: The narrative of being able to improve the quarterback.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: A great company.
• 1:09:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I just wait.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then after that, see what happens.
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's final two years.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I believe that Dan Morgan, he wants for advice to be successful.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: But he also will replace rice if he does not.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for your time.
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great call, great call.
• 1:09:25
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• 1:09:25
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• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:31
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• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you could be one of these GM, like move the page, turn the page.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bryson's getting is going to have four years in the NFL with the Carolina Panthers, right?
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you cannot say that that happens a lot of times for
• 1:10:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: high picks problematic circumstances, and I'm not talking about Bryce's play.
• 1:10:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, did Sam Dornal get four years?
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we traded for him and got his picked up his fifth year option, right?
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I agree with that color entirely.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like he's, let's not put the cart before the horse, let's, and you know what, if we get juice out, if he comes in, he turns out to be the best
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: going forward in the, not in the history of the world, but great quarter bad thing.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what, man, we paid 10 million dollars to more.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather pay $10 million to more, because I've never that core has value rather than paying.
• 1:10:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: over asking price just because you're in desperate straight.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody.
• 1:10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, look, we're trying.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're trying, look, there's enough of the Bryce Young and the contractual stuff.
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carolina Panthers coming off a...
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Playoff loss.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So one of the things that brought up to you is, and you said, that sounds depressing is, we kidding me.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we amended it.
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: We said, let's add a little more hope and add the best and worse Carolina Panthers playoff performances.
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is gonna be very off the cuff.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we just wanted to do our own little retro respective of playoff performances for the Carolina Panthers and what we have been able to do and even in some of our losing performances, you know, which ones were up there as amongst the best and
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you sort of alluded, we were texting earlier, telling you that this past playoff performance against the Rams is up there, you know, and they're considering all of them, right?
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that momentum builder or is it fools go up here?
• 1:12:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to read off to you?
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got this list for you.
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now you got it on the screen, too, is here are all the planthers playoff losses.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the subsequent what happened the following year 1996 the Carolina Panthers wildly are in the NFC championship game they lose 30 or 13 against Green Bay Packers.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Following year they were dressed third year as a franchise they finished 79 right
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then Super Bowl, 2000 and three season, they made the Super Bowl, but they lose in the Super Bowl.
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess everything's a regression, but Steve Smith was injured early, maybe even preseason.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember there what that Andrea think was his broken, either armor, leg at that point.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: They started out one in seven the following year.
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: They rallied to a seven and nine finish.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: They lost in 2005 and I see championship game to Seattle Seahawks.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was one of my favorite runs to the playoffs because Steve Smith had this fucking crazy ass run against the bears.
• 1:13:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he just was fucking balling out the following year.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were eight, eight, uh, they placed second and the NFC sound the following year.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2008.
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: This one is, I think, where this is like where the downfall was happened is, division loss, 33, 13 against the corridors following year, eight and eight, missed the playoffs second year, 2013, they lose 20 to 10 against San Francisco, 49ers.
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was your year Cody, right?
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was, man, a great defense.
• 1:13:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: This and that, but despite the end of the night time, I wanted before we get too far ahead.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, for a while, you know, there was always a sentiment that the Black jerseys were on Lucky.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: That whenever we were all Black,
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: that the Panthers would lose and that that that's what our worst luck with over it's come from.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it stems from that game right there because the Panthers and our playoff games against the 49ers were all black and we thought that we were just going to roll the 49ers and do fucking Colin.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Colin.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was a Colin.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and they're dead.
• 1:14:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was doing the Superman in our end zone.
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
• 1:14:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the only reason why you know it's funny is why we hate people.
• 1:14:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It has nothing to do with their politics because it's like how you treat Cam new.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not through my quarterback.
• 1:14:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, follow in the air though.
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers went 7-8-1
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is when they went off on a three year tear when in their division seven and eight and one, but they lost in 2014 divisional round against the Seattle Seahawks 31 to 17, but boy 2015.
• 1:15:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to talk about coming off of getting bounced in that divisional round.
• 1:15:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But coming back 15 at one, the Panthers then lost in the Super Bowl that lost again in the 2017 NFC wildcard round.
• 1:15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is where things found.
• 1:15:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is where things come off the bus, 2017.
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think
• 1:15:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carolina started out 6 and 2 and 2018, but collapsed.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was it is we were really about to we're feeling the momentum.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Ham Newton shoulder injury against the Steelers finish 7 and 9, but the last one is this wild car round loss against the Rams 3431.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is an opportunity for the Panthers to be better next year to find some momentum Cody take this where you want.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, looking at this, when I was looking over this, this initially, I was just trying to determine like, what are some of the more valiant losses that we've had, because obviously we're coming off of the wild card loss, and I was just looking at a few of these, right?
• 1:16:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, the Super Bowl just humiliating one of the worst feelings and performances
• 1:16:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then also in 2014, when we went to Seattle, that was rough also, because I feel like we were also feeling the momentum of whatever we were able to do in the playoffs in 2014.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but going to the wild card, we beat the card knows and we were like, dude, we could be the Cinderella song of 2014 and that quarterback that nobody remembers it was their first ring quarterback.
• 1:17:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then we just ran into a buzz saw and it does kind of make it matter like, I mean, okay, it does, but it doesn't.
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: In 2014, we lost to the eventual Super Bowl winners
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the next year being in the Super Bowl, we also lost to the Super Bowl winners and the Denver Broncos.
• 1:17:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: In 2013, we were facing the Super Bowl participants in the year that the 49ers went to the Super Bowl.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they lost to the Ravens.
• 1:17:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was Harbaugh versus Harbaugh in the Super Bowl.
• 1:18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, so when we do lose, we lose to good teams and down the ramps.
• 1:18:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: We lost a great team and the ramps.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're there.
• 1:18:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: They kind of have one of the greatest football games against the bears get there.
• 1:18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get beat up by the sea hogs.
• 1:18:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, not beat up, but I mean, we, we, through punches, I guess the reason I brought this up Cody is I just wanted to say last year felt like we were punching a head like we were out of our way class a little, but we came out and fought rather than getting beat, you know, it, it's showing a deterioration.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I agree with that for the most part.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, uh, and then I have a question for y'all, man, because again, you know, people who know my history with the Panthers know that 2011 was the first time that I like really, really paid attention to.
• 1:19:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Carolina Panthers, but kind of asking y'all, what are some of your memories of that 2005 playoff team?
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went into one in the wild card, one in the division, and then they lost to the sea hogs in the conference championship.
• 1:19:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who went to the Super Bowl that year in 2005?
• 1:19:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the five it was the first and the Patriots.
• 1:19:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, that was, no, that was a drink.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was Seattle Pittsburgh.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where Ben Rothersberger threw the incredible touchdown pass to what was his name.
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't Antoine Randall.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't, it wasn't Heinz Ward.
• 1:19:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was so easy.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So then also that year also, okay, that year, we lost to a team that would also compete in that Super Bowl.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, we were there.
• 1:20:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We were going there.
• 1:20:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've been in a lot of the games and we, you know, again, I don't think we're going to take flowers and a lot of these.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we're asking the question of what's the most painful
• 1:20:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: history.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how we can't say 2003 in that Super Bowl.
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you're thinking of a court that and the 2015, but it wasn't that one was painful all the way through right painful like I look at.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: what happened against the Rams as an example right this past year like we went on such a high for those final two minutes before the Rams came back and and one that we we scored we were up were like oh my gosh we could do this and then it was just ripped out from underneath us now imagine that is in the actual Super Bowl right that Super Bowl in 2015 was painful don't get me wrong
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: because we had such high expectations, but we had a shot at beating the Patriots.
• 1:21:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the game...
• 1:21:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... the season became more painful because of the loss in twenty-fifteen the game in its essence i guess more painful in the first superbowl you know i mean that was a run that was human talk about a send a rella and not send a rella the team was fucking built for the moment but they were not supposed to be the rams
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were not supposed to beat the rams in the double overtime victory Steve Smith what the X Whatever they call it.
• 1:21:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, and yeah, and yeah, and I mean, it was just you you beat you were You're beating teams that nobody thought you were gonna beat and then you had everything was so epic about that run and that playoff was the best playoff
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say the bad.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yes, it was because those games were just fucking anxiety to Sean Foster with the greatest fucking touchdown run in the history of football where he ran 40 yards, broke five tackles, but he was on the five yard line.
• 1:22:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the Panthers just were, it was meant to be and then it wasn't.
• 1:22:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then in 2015, it was meant to be, and it wasn't.
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, deeply, painful.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is, I think both of those were.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: In both of those though we thought the panthers were going to be around more long time.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they were more after the of 1111.
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, three one.
• 1:23:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:23:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And baby.
• 1:23:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:23:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I thought this and this is where I learned a big lesson as a football fan and a fan of whatever is.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: man, it's not is like these moments are fleeting.
• 1:23:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought after the 2015, I thought, man, we're going to be around.
• 1:23:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be back.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cam, we got like this.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it shows you, man, is it can all change so dramatically.
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had the Michael or concussion.
• 1:23:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the cam concussion, more injury.
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um,
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: What a run, though, that was in oath to read.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's got to be the most exciting because it was.
• 1:23:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the kind of a Cinderella as story, even though they were good strongman, that defense was fucking nasty all season, but then that offense fucking just cooked.
• 1:24:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And while I like to say that, but then I was at the NFC Championship game in 2015, it was the most exciting, it was the biggest blowout, the most awesome event I've ever been to, honestly, I just think that this is different.
• 1:24:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the I hope I'm hoping that the Panthers lost against the Rams this past year is different.
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then the loss against Arizona and what await or whatever it was again, you know, or you know, is that we're sending not descending.
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, dude, it just makes me realize we were for the 20 teams.
• 1:24:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were something of a staple in the playoffs, you know, 20, 13, 20, 13, 20, 10, you know, we were not dominant, but we were good.
• 1:24:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our defense was good.
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, from 20, from 20 13 to 20 17, we were good, but we were dominant on the 2015 year.
• 1:25:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2013, our defense was dominant.
• 1:25:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Panthers got to be better this year.
• 1:25:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that's all I got.
• 1:25:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So to round out the pod.
• 1:25:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this
• 1:25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're all done.
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is just a little blurb from the rest of our division.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: As I said earlier.
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess questions.
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Panthers, the Panthers are fourth and overall odds to Winged DMC's out even though we won this last season.
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So these are some of the biggest questions facing our division rivalism.
• 1:25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start first with the Atlanta Palkans.
• 1:25:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And before this season, we need to get some of the some pod, pod members from Falcons, Saints and Bucks teams to talk through this stuff, but for the Atlanta Falcons, all of this enough, the Falcons desired the third hit coat in the last five seasons, Kevin Stefansky.
• 1:26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They also have a new general manager in coming in, coming in, coming in.
• 1:26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've created a brand new position in president of football to bring back franchise legend not Ryan to overstate the whole thing, they've invested in invested big and two young past catchers, drinks London and cow pits, and probably will soon pay a third scope player when they back vision on Robinson.
• 1:26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you do that, help with this now, the NFL's second longest streak with out-of-plow for parents.
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Atlanta has missed the position for each straight seasons with this behind only the jets 15 new dry spell on the Arthur Blank at 83 has begun to process a prepping sound Josh to take over the day-to-day work, but he'd like to get back to the playoffs before leaving the big share for good.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, do any of you think the Falcons are all biggest competition in this division?
• 1:27:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, if it weren't for the questions around quarterback, I would say I would be worried about the Falcons.
• 1:27:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that is the question the Falcons, right?
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is a question is they don't know anything about their quarterback position at the moment.
• 1:27:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They got to have to.
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, probably they'll be their starter.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
• 1:27:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:27:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess maybe I hope I take so.
• 1:27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's, I'd be shocked if he wasn't, you know, in, in a honestly, I think the, I think the two, uh, experiences going to be one that is more of a distraction than a asset.
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so the fact that they're going to be going into this offseason and the training camp with the question continuing to linger of who is starting for the Falcons.
• 1:27:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think and become a distraction for a team as opposed to being able to go into it knowing you've got the job short of, so I'll be interested to see how they handle that back and forth.
• 1:28:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what have you, I mean, let's, let's not forget.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not sitting here crowning Michael Pinnix.
• 1:28:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think Michael Pinnick showed a tremendous amount of promise while he was in the NFL, like starting in healthy.
• 1:28:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying that it was five career injury ending injuries going back to college or whatever.
• 1:28:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, right, that was always, let's replace him with the guy who's had five concussions.
• 1:28:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's their question is all that quarterback is if they're going to be able to hunt or not, you know, or if you're a vile.
• 1:28:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think the two of those went out that job, I do think he's charged for them and I don't know, I mean, we beat them sound like two times last year, so I don't necessarily think they are being as competition, but every year so many analysts picked the Falcons to
• 1:29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to do the Panthers when awesome?
• 1:29:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, just take this.
• 1:29:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just say the question.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was from Joe Person is what he thinks is a big question facing Panthers.
• 1:29:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: How will Jonathan Brooks need?
• 1:29:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Need hold up because they have, in some ways, invested in him.
• 1:29:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is, they're rocking with Chuba, they're rocking with Jonathan Brooks, they're rocking with
• 1:29:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Trevor.
• 1:29:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:29:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: At the end.
• 1:29:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Trevor.
• 1:29:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:29:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I mean, that's the question Joe person where they got for the Saints and for the bucks as the big question facing them.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once the deal with that event tomorrow, science pointed to the end of tomorrow's tenure with the sense of when the sense in transit to engineer a change, but the warms in all time were running back shortly for parts about to use and expected to end then attended many camp.
• 1:30:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: The sense of already fit Khamara within this year's salary cap, so they don't necessarily have to unload him.
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if the sense of role in Khamara on the roster, it will be curious to see how Ed Chen and Khamara co-exist Khamara played his best years with the complimentary backmarking room.
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe this could work.
• 1:30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hope Alvin tomorrow fades into the sunset rather than finding a second or third life and for the books is probably all about Baker
• 1:30:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so probably, but before you're before you go to it, I'm going to go out on the limb.
• 1:30:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the saints, and not just because they're business twice, I think the saints are going to be our biggest competition in the NFC South.
• 1:31:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate to say this.
• 1:31:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Tyler shook has a lot of big time potential as a quarterback, and he started a good at the end of the last year.
• 1:31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've invested upon putting pieces around him.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know man.
• 1:31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the team that we really have to give our best against if we're going to win the NFC South again.
• 1:31:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the same.
• 1:31:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
• 1:31:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd rank it.
• 1:31:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Saints, bucks, falcons, isn't like my concern for the bucks.
• 1:31:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Will the bucks sign Baker Mayfield before the start of training camp?
• 1:31:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mayfield is entering the final year of a three year $100 million deal.
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has said he wants to be in Tampa Bay for the long-term in general manager Jason Leic has no intention of letting Baker leave, but as of June, Mayfield said he was not anywhere close to being on the same page with a team.
• 1:31:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: contract.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, he said, in a deadline, the started training camp, complicating matters may be the eight year, five hundred four million rework contracts signed by my homes because the price of elite quarterback has gone up.
• 1:32:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, I guess that's the story line that's going on with the bucks.
• 1:32:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't fear Baker.
• 1:32:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I was a bucks fan, I would want Baker to be the quarterback.
• 1:32:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I would also have some concern about paying him a mint and just having what you have.
• 1:32:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I say this, I'm with Cody.
• 1:32:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Saints to me, the threat.
• 1:32:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: The bucks, someone you have to beat and deal with and the Falcons, the team you just don't underestimate, but you should be better than
• 1:32:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:32:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the same's right now have.
• 1:32:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, at the end of the season last year, I can't even say that the falcons are showed because it was with Kirk Cousins at the helm.
• 1:33:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's be real about it, right?
• 1:33:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that he's the end all be all, but that team looked different with him as the quarterback than it did prior to him taking the reins.
• 1:33:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so everything up to that point, we had argued, we had been talking about that last six games of the season,
• 1:33:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the last five games, the two teams that had looked like they should be winning the NFC South were already eliminated, and that was the Saints in the Falcons, and the Saints had a lot by and large because of the...
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: the crazy, the crazy climb that Shug had coming, taking over that starting role.
• 1:33:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think I hate to say it, but I do agree with Cody, I think the Saints are our biggest worry right now.
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like to think that we're even with these teams rather than we're punching up, you know, I don't think there's enough questions around them all.
• 1:34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that if I don't think if we fast forwarded a year and we were like looking at who won the NFC South, I don't think we would any of us would be shocked to say, okay, well, the Falcons won.
• 1:34:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, the Panthers won.
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the Saints won.
• 1:34:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like nobody's going to be sitting there
• 1:34:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way they won the NFC now.
• 1:34:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I feel that way for the Falcon's the most out of everybody.
• 1:34:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when you have the be John Robinson, who you have a quarterback becomes so much less important, I think you can do a lot when you have a be John Robinson in the backfield.
• 1:34:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, but let's finish it out Cody, I think we're at the end.
• 1:34:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's time to hit the longest running segment on the longest running Panthers Park, guys.
• 1:34:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's time to ice him fools up.
• 1:35:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ice up, so ice up.
• 1:35:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up toughen
• 1:35:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: step inside or outside the bounds of football, it's when we can tell anybody or family or friends, random people on the internet, to ice up, tough enough to get it together.
• 1:35:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got some, I think I have two quick short ones, so I'll just give us one quick one to start it off.
• 1:35:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I saw this, you got to pull this down,
• 1:35:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll see.
• 1:35:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can do it.
• 1:35:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I shared this one.
• 1:35:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you did the dude falling on top of him.
• 1:36:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was mine from last week.
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then only got one.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then, and the first I fell for this, they're not fell for it.
• 1:36:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like nothing else.
• 1:36:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, holy cow, these animals because animals do some crazy stuff.
• 1:36:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, hey, I got me on that one.
• 1:36:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
• 1:36:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
• 1:36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, this is hold on.
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is your boy.
• 1:36:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is Cody.
• 1:36:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is Cody Lack, right here.
• 1:36:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's the, what's his name for Josh Allen.
• 1:36:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Josh Allen says every Bill's fan and pink Josh Allen getting a little golf coaching lessons.
• 1:36:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It said every guy, every Bill's fan wants to be the guy and pick down push back there.
• 1:36:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: You created some space.
• 1:36:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And man, just the bro is helping out bro.
• 1:36:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 1:36:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm going to ice up down push by that.
• 1:37:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is, you believe that that's helping.
• 1:37:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: It might be helping Josh Allen in more ways than you think.
• 1:37:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm icing up, uh, holding man's hips on your knees with your face and his butt while he swings golf club.
• 1:37:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my setup.
• 1:37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I heard this and I'm going to I'm going to go the CK route This this this week.
• 1:37:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a video, but I do have a statement.
• 1:37:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So just recently We had four to July America
• 1:37:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: This American experiment turned 250 years old and when I want to say this is that I'm icing up all the people who feel that you can't love America
• 1:37:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: when you don't love the people who are running America, or you know, whatever America does overseas in terms of foreign policy, your fiscal policy, or whatever it might be, America as an idea is supposed to be the place that you love enough that you're willing to fight for the best of it.
• 1:38:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even when you might not see that being enacted in our country,
• 1:38:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: America is an idea that you can turn this country into whatever you feel like it should be for the betterment of its people.
• 1:38:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there are too many people in this country that are just nationators and negative to the point where it's like if you don't agree with the people in power,
• 1:38:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then, therefore, you must hate this country as if you can go anywhere in the world and have more rights and freedoms than we do in America.
• 1:38:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's bullshit, man, and I think that we have too many spoiled people who don't take account of what we have.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're on a greater floor for what we have.
• 1:38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's never saying that we couldn't be better, that we couldn't do things better.
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: but that in America it is more possible here than anywhere in the world to make this place the vision of what we feel like it should one day be.
• 1:39:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm icing up those people.
• 1:39:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love our country, I love the freedoms that we have, I love the people in it.
• 1:39:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I sub to the people who feel like they're being edgy and, you know, somehow forward thinking by trashing the country that they live in and are able to take advantage of day and day out.
• 1:39:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't seem educated or intelligent when you say those stupid things.
• 1:39:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, um, I talked about those videos of people from people like other countries coming to World Cup and being like, you know, the way they have ran to over here.
• 1:39:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on to that like that.
• 1:39:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have seen some cool ones, though, or ones that I thought were cool, which is, like, a dude, like, embossed in a way.
• 1:40:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I, it's basically expected America to not America, not the country, but even
• 1:40:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: His worldview.
• 1:40:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: What you're is is don't get locked into a worldview.
• 1:40:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get out there and live.
• 1:40:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, get out there and live.
• 1:40:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, don't just get locked into a vision Because he was like man, this is better.
• 1:40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: These people are better.
• 1:40:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were just airing at assholes And he's like man, this guy just paid for my Uber So CK you got something for us
• 1:40:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do.
• 1:40:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do.
• 1:40:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm out of video, just like in normal CK fashion, and I'm going to go right back to the conversation around in the world cup.
• 1:40:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, first and foremost, I think we can all say, I sub the USA team for losing as horribly as they did for the one again.
• 1:41:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That 41.
• 1:41:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:41:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Board of one is a bit misleading because, you know, that fourth goal was with them pressing to try to, they were becoming a lot more aggressive and not playing the game that, you know, allows them to be more defensive.
• 1:41:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it did open that door up to them, but nonetheless, they still didn't score another point after the first score in the first half.
• 1:41:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to go back to that red card.
• 1:41:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: that happened.
• 1:41:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So essentially the way that the red card works for those that don't know is if you, if they consider, in this instance, if they consider what you have done to be intentional in dangering of another player, they can do the red card.
• 1:41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now this is something that an official had pulled the red card on and they didn't pull it until after they reviewed the play.
• 1:41:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: They reviewed the play and made the decision that that red card needed to be pulled.
• 1:42:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if anybody who, I mean, you were listening to the broadcast and you're hearing a lot of people who have a accent that tells you that they don't really necessarily have a horse in the race, every single one of them were saying, yeah, you can't pull a red card in
• 1:42:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: shocked when we at the red card.
• 1:42:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the idea behind the red card is number one incredibly flawed and unbelievably stupid that they're saying that it's not possible to overturn a one-game suspension after a red card that an official threw in the middle of a match with no ability to appeal it.
• 1:42:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: FIFA, the president was able to step in and overturn the ruling, which is not necessarily something that anybody anticipated happening, but the uproar that Belgium grew was unbelievable that they were fighting to keep our best player off of the field.
• 1:42:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And my first thought is in a sport where you're being criticized for the amount of flopping, questioning whether you're a tough group of athletes or not.
• 1:43:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Your what you should not do optically is
• 1:43:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: advocate for the best player against the team that you're getting ready to play to be to uphold a suspension that you all know is absolutely unreasonable.
• 1:43:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was an unreasonable suspension.
• 1:43:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It made them look weak.
• 1:43:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, if they had not won that game last night,
• 1:43:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: they would be in a really weird situation where they are going to look like some of the biggest cowards on the planet.
• 1:43:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm icing up Belgium for making a point to try to fight that somebody should.
• 1:43:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be the same thing as if Alvin Kamara had his suspension overturned
• 1:43:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: for what happened in Vegas that one time and the Panthers were the next opponent and they had went to the NFL and said, no, you can't, you can't let him play, you can't let him play.
• 1:44:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's, it wasn't an agree, it wasn't a foul against Belgium and the only reason they didn't want him to play is because they were somehow concerned or wanted to give themselves the best foot forward.
• 1:44:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, I think you want to be able to be, if you wanted to show the world that you're the best, you've got to be able to beat everyone at their best.
• 1:44:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, that just came across is very, very soccer of them.
• 1:44:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do actually have one more I said real quick because you brought up Belgium that I want to bring up and I have to put this delicately, racism exists.
• 1:44:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Countries are we have a flawed past as a country like people every person has good and bad things about them.
• 1:44:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our country has good and bad things about the history and our country like what's going on.
• 1:44:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you just have something bad, it doesn't only make one thing bad, right?
• 1:45:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I understand the legacies of racism in America, right?
• 1:45:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And how that is a real thing and exists, and it's, and I'm not taking away from any of that.
• 1:45:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I watched the Belgium fan base yesterday, just celebrating Belgium, just singing the anthem,
• 1:45:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: this diverse, multiracial crowd just singing it, singing and singing.
• 1:45:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I just want to remind everybody that other countries too have legacies that are problematic too.
• 1:45:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: and Belgium, by the way, is responsible for creating the state in Africa of Rwanda, and it was their creation and division of the Hutus and Tutsis, which, by the way, one of my best friends goes there and lives there for a month, every summer.
• 1:45:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's very the only reason, like I'm in the kind of more in tune to Rwanda, then I won't say I should be or something, but I just know,
• 1:46:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Genocide that we know, you know, watch the movie Hotel Rwanda, which is not like a greatest depiction of it, but it's a good movie, but if real fucking genocide of real racism and like this, that was created by the Belgians.
• 1:46:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: it was that was their colony.
• 1:46:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what I'm saying is this is look uh I'm with Cody I was just watching it.
• 1:46:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was just I was just thinking about all the people that are like fucking look at bells or what a great country.
• 1:46:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what as I've been to Belgium you can be there for three hours chocolate the mannequin piss it's this big but still everybody's got their flaws
• 1:46:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I set up to people that don't think that everybody's got some warts on them.
• 1:46:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a country in the world that doesn't have a similar history to the United States.
• 1:47:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just want to make warts on their past, right?
• 1:47:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Warts on their past.
• 1:47:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is single country.
• 1:47:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not one single country.
• 1:47:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is the truth.
• 1:47:16
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• 1:47:25
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• 1:47:29
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• 1:47:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody Lack take us on out of here.