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They Lied To You About The Oklahoma City Bombing · The conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Life is nothing but a collection of moments and when
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Speaker 1: it changes, and often changes in just a moment for
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Speaker 1: hundreds of people and their families. That moment occurred at
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Speaker 1: nine o two am in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, when an
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Speaker 1: explosion nearly destroyed a federal building, killing over one hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty people and injuring hundreds. But the trauma and
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Speaker 1: grief that would follow the bombing is impossible to tally,
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Speaker 1: and the attack lives on is the worst instance of
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Speaker 1: domestic terrorism in United States history. After an extensive investigation
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Speaker 1: in a few big breaks, officials eventually arrested and charged
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Speaker 1: the men responsible. One would be and the other would
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Speaker 1: receive life in prison. There wasn't any question of their culpability,
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Speaker 1: and though the nation reeled from the attack, they felt
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Speaker 1: assured that justice had fully been served. And for most people,
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Speaker 1: that's where the story of the Oklahoma City bombing ends.
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Speaker 1: But should that really be the end of the tale? Well,
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Speaker 1: if you decide to take a closer look at the
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Speaker 1: case of the Oklahoma City bombing, you may find that
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Speaker 1: the story isn't quite as cut and dry as you
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Speaker 1: may have thought. In fact, there's some incredibly compelling evidence
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Speaker 1: that the official account of the bombing doesn't hold water,
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Speaker 1: and that some people who were involved in this heinous
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Speaker 1: crime were never held accountable and still walk amongst you today.
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Speaker 1: So what do the Philippines, the mysterious death of a
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Speaker 1: police officer, and the Branch Davidians cult all have to
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Speaker 1: do with the tragedy in Oklahoma City? And what implications
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Speaker 1: do they have for the authenticity of what the public
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Speaker 1: has believed for nearly thirty years. Join us today as
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Speaker 1: we dive deep into the dark story of the Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: our show. So before we go any further, I want
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Speaker 1: to do my normal announcements. All parties are presumed innocent
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Speaker 1: until proven guilty in a court of law. Everything that
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Speaker 1: I'm stating in the show is simply my opinion. Colin Brown.
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Speaker 1: I'm the only one who has these opinions, and I
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Speaker 1: don't want to go anywhere. I don't want to do
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Speaker 1: anything to myself, so I'm safe and I don't plan
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Speaker 1: on having anything happen to me in the near future
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Speaker 1: in case something I've were to So the Oklahoma City bombing,
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Speaker 1: I have family in Oklahoma City. I've always felt connected
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Speaker 1: to this story in some sort of way. I mean,
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Speaker 1: first of all, the entire story is just absolutely heartbreaking
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Speaker 1: and tragic and infuriating. But you know, after researching the
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Speaker 1: story a little bit further, I realized that not only
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Speaker 1: were there some inconsistencies here, but there's some pretty compelling
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Speaker 1: evidence to show that there were more individuals involved in
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Speaker 1: this plot that literally got away. Now everybody is going
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Speaker 1: to have their own opinions about this sort of a thing. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: I think that the tragedy is simply put a tragedy,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not questioning anything about victims or what they're saying.
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Speaker 1: And my heart goes out to all families that were
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Speaker 1: affected by this horrific, horrific event. But I don't know,
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Speaker 1: the stuff that we're going to talk about today is
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Speaker 1: pretty disturbing and it might just change the way that
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Speaker 1: you view this whole thing, kind of like the research
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Speaker 1: process for this episode has for me. But let's just
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Speaker 1: get into it first. We're going to cover the official story.
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Speaker 1: At the start of the workday on April nineteenth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety five, hundreds of people were going about their daily
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Speaker 1: business in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: The building was nine stories tall and hosted offices for
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Speaker 1: a myriad of federal agencies, including the DEA, Social Security Administration,
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Speaker 1: and the Army and Marine Corps. That also housed a
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Speaker 1: daycare where employees could leave their children as they headed
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Speaker 1: to their jobs. Just before nine am on that day,
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Speaker 1: security cameras at the nearby Regency Towers apartments captured footage
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Speaker 1: of a rider rental truck driving in the direction of
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Speaker 1: the Federal Building, where it then parked on the complex's
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Speaker 1: north side. At nine o two am, that rider truck,
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Speaker 1: which had been loaded with four eight hundred pounds of
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Speaker 1: ammonium nitrate, fertilizer, nitromethane and diesel fuel mixture, exploded. At
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Speaker 1: nine to three am, emergency services received the first of
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Speaker 1: what would be over one thousand, eight hundred, nine to
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Speaker 1: one one calls related to the explosion. The truck's detonation
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Speaker 1: was catastrophic. The northern portion of the building where the
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Speaker 1: truck had been parked, collapsed in just seven seconds. The
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Speaker 1: blast registered as a three point two on the Richter scale,
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Speaker 1: and it shattered most of the windows downtown in Oklahoma City,
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Speaker 1: leaving the streets covered in glass, debris and fluttering papers
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Speaker 1: from the destroyed building. The impact of that explosion was
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Speaker 1: felt up to fifty five miles away, and the ensuing
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Speaker 1: damage to the downtown area would be estimated at over
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Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty two million dollars, but the human
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Speaker 1: cost would be far worse. The bomb planted inside the
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Speaker 1: truck would lead to the deaths of one hundred and
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Speaker 1: sixty eight people and a further six hundred and eighty injuries.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen of those were babies and children who had been
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Speaker 1: in the building's daycare center, and just a minute after
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Speaker 1: the bombing, as the first to the nine one one
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Speaker 1: calls began to come in, first responders were already rushing
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Speaker 1: to the scene. As the injured were taken away for treatment,
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Speaker 1: those on site began urgent attempts to locate more victims
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Speaker 1: trapped beneath the rubble. A photographer captured the devastating image
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Speaker 1: of firefighter Chris Fields carrying infant Bailey Allman away from
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Speaker 1: the site. The photograph captured in an instant the horror
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Speaker 1: and unspeakable tragedy of the bombing and indoors as one
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Speaker 1: of the most famous images captured that day. Heartbreakingly, little
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Speaker 1: Bailey would later pass away at the hospital. As rescue
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Speaker 1: efforts continued and officials ensured that there were no more
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Speaker 1: explosives in the area, investigators were already beginning their intense
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Speaker 1: work tracking down the perpetrator responsible for the most deadly
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Speaker 1: instance of domestic terrorism in United States history. The FBI's
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Speaker 1: extensive investigation would go on to include twenty eight thousand interviews,
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Speaker 1: three thousand, two hundred kilograms of evidence, and nearly one
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Speaker 1: billion pieces of information. But even before all the work
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Speaker 1: that would be done in the weeks and months following
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Speaker 1: the bombing, investigators got break in the case almost immediately.
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Speaker 1: Less than ninety minutes after the explosion, Oklahoma Highway patrolman
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Speaker 1: Charlie Hanger spotted a car speeding down the highway without
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Speaker 1: a license plate. Hanger pulled the vehicle over and ordered
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Speaker 1: the driver out of the car. The man that stepped
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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle was slim and quiet with a
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Speaker 1: military style haircut. Hanger could see that he was armed.
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Speaker 1: The two had a tense exchange, and Hanger ordered him
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Speaker 1: to turn around and put his hands on the car.
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Speaker 1: The driver obeyed, but the tension didn't cease. Hanger can
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Speaker 1: recall the moments in my new detail. And he makes
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Speaker 1: a statement to me that I think he's trying to
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Speaker 1: intimidate me. He said, well, my weapon is loaded, and
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Speaker 1: I've still got a death grip on the outside of
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Speaker 1: the jacket where his weapons at. And I nudged him
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Speaker 1: to the back of the head with the barrel of
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Speaker 1: my pistol, and I said, while so is mine. On
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Speaker 1: the ride from the point of arrest to the jail,
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Speaker 1: we could still hear Oklahoma City headquarters in my unit
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Speaker 1: dispatching units downtown. He made no comments. That's a quote.
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Speaker 1: The man Hanger had arrested was Timothy McVeigh, a former
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Speaker 1: soldier with radical anti government views. The officer arrested McVeigh
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Speaker 1: for driving with a license plate and carrying a concealed weapon,
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Speaker 1: and as McVeigh was processed by the local police, news
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Speaker 1: reports of the bombing played over the television. Hollier Marsha
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Speaker 1: Moritt remembers watching McVeigh as he took in the news coverage,
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Speaker 1: and Timothy McVeigh is standing there with us, and he
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Speaker 1: had no comment to make and he just looked at
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Speaker 1: the TV. Calm didn't say a word about what was
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Speaker 1: going on. The fingerprinting stood out to me because his
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Speaker 1: hands didn't sweat, and he was he was cool. He
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Speaker 1: was just not He was not upset, and he was
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Speaker 1: seeing what we were seeing on the TV. Though the
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Speaker 1: police with McVeigh didn't yet know he was connected to
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Speaker 1: the bombing, and they immediately took note of his strange demeanor.
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Speaker 1: He seemed unnervingly unaffected by the devastation being recorded. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: the FBI was already hot on the trail for Leeds
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Speaker 1: on the bombing, and they had another crucial break. While
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Speaker 1: McVeigh was being arrested and booked, officials found a truck
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Speaker 1: axle in front of the Regency Tower Apartments, the same
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Speaker 1: building whose cameras had captured the vehicle minutes before the explosion.
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Speaker 1: It belonged to the rider truck that carried the bomb
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Speaker 1: and had somehow survived the destruction, with the vital piece
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Speaker 1: of information still intact. When the rear axle assembly came
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Speaker 1: flying through the air at that distance and that weight.
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Speaker 1: It crashed into the top of the red Ford Festiva
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Speaker 1: on the hood and it knocked the car plumb up
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Speaker 1: onto the curb, recalls John Hurstley, one of the lead
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Speaker 1: FBI investigators on the case. We were able to trace
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Speaker 1: that there is a partial vehicle identification number that was
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Speaker 1: on the rear axle assembly. It's PVA two six zero
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Speaker 1: seven seven. I'll never forget that number, I don't think
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Speaker 1: as long as I'm alive. The serial number led investigators
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Speaker 1: to where the rider truck had been rented, and from
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Speaker 1: there they determined that it was indeed a twenty foot
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Speaker 1: rider truck nineteen ninety three Ford box truck, and then
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Speaker 1: it had been leased out of Elliott's Body Shop in
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Speaker 1: Junction City, Kansas, on April of seventeenth, nineteen ninety five,
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Speaker 1: two days prior to the bombing, said Larry Tongate, another
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Speaker 1: lead FBI case agent. Sketch artists spoke with employees from
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Speaker 1: Elliott's body shop and drew up composites of the two
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Speaker 1: men who had rented the truck. They were labeled John
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Speaker 1: Done number one and John Done number two. The FBI
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Speaker 1: quickly learned that Timothy McVeigh was John Doe number one,
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Speaker 1: and that he was already in jail for charges of
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Speaker 1: driving without a license and carrying a concealed weapon. He'd
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Speaker 1: been arrested already that very day. Investigators dug into Timothy
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Speaker 1: mcvey's character and passed with zeal and. What they found
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Speaker 1: was a man, though once a skilled soldier, who had
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Speaker 1: become radically anti government in the years leading up to
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Speaker 1: the bombing, Already deeply disillusioned with the government. Mcveigh's views
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Speaker 1: seemed to have been cemented by the events at Ruby
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Speaker 1: Ridge in nineteen ninety two and at Waco in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety three, instances that both included violent government action. Ruby
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Speaker 1: Ridge was an eleven day standoff between the FBI, the
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Speaker 1: United States Marshals, and white separatist Randy Weaver at his isolated,
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Speaker 1: Idaho cabin. Also on the property at the time was
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Speaker 1: Weaver's family, including his teenage son Sammy, his wife Vicki,
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Speaker 1: and her infant child. Weaver, who had connections to the
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Speaker 1: Aryan Nation and other white supremacist groups, was being pursued
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Speaker 1: for warrants related to weapons charges and failing to appear
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Speaker 1: for trial. Knowing Weaver would likely become violent when cornered,
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Speaker 1: the FBI and Marshalls attempted a stealth operation, but their
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Speaker 1: efforts went sideways, and in the ensuing violence, Weaver's dog,
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Speaker 1: as well as his teenage son, who had exchanged fire
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Speaker 1: with officials, would be shot. Events turned even Fowler when
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Speaker 1: a shot not intended for Vicky struck her in the
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Speaker 1: face while she stood holding her infant child. Though the
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Speaker 1: baby lived, Vicki died and her body remained in the
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Speaker 1: cabin for eleven days. The case would garner national attention,
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Speaker 1: and both the FBI and Marshalls would face heavy criticism
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Speaker 1: for their missteps which led to potentially unnecessary violence. The
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Speaker 1: shot that killed Vicki would later be ruled unconstitutional. The
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Speaker 1: other event that had greatly disturbed Timothy McVeigh was the
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Speaker 1: Siege of Waco, a violent confrontation between federal agents and
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Speaker 1: the branch Davidian's cult on their compound in Waco, Texas.
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Speaker 1: That was another raid that didn't go according to plan,
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Speaker 1: and that ensuing standoff would last to staggering fifty one
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Speaker 1: days and involved multiple instances of prolonged gunfire and the
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Speaker 1: use of tear gas. The first volley of gunfire lasted
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Speaker 1: for over two hours, and four agents, as well as
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Speaker 1: six Branch Davidians nearly nine one hundred law enforcement officials
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Speaker 1: then descended upon the area. On April nineteenth, the FBI
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Speaker 1: deposited over four hundred tear gas canisters inside the compound,
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Speaker 1: which earned return fire from the cult members. The Davidians
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Speaker 1: then began setting fires, and due to safety concerns, firefighters
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Speaker 1: were not permitted to assist for fifteen minutes, but by
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Speaker 1: then it was too late. When the fires were finally extinguished,
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Speaker 1: officials found the bodies of seventy five people inside, twenty
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Speaker 1: five of whom were among the dead were the cult's
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Speaker 1: infamous leader, David Koresh. In total, the siege of Waco
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Speaker 1: four government agents and eighty two Branch Davidian members, and
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Speaker 1: just like Ruby Ridge, Waco drew intense public criticism for
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Speaker 1: its violence and potential mishandling. It's been contended that the
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Speaker 1: tear gas could have played a role in the start
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Speaker 1: of the fire that caused most of the deaths. Timothy
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Speaker 1: McVeigh wasn't the only American who was displeased with how
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Speaker 1: officials handled Ruby Ridge. And Waco, but he took his
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Speaker 1: descent a step further. Believing that the government had become tyrannical,
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Speaker 1: he began to plan the bombing of a federal building, and,
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Speaker 1: in timid Nathan mcveigh's view, if the federal agents who
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Speaker 1: had been present at Waco and Ruby Ridge wanted to
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Speaker 1: act like soldiers, he would too. McVeigh hoped that such
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Speaker 1: an attack would spur a rebellion that would usurp the
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Speaker 1: corrupt government. Instead, it led to the deaths of nearly
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Speaker 1: two hundred people and traumatized the nation. McVeigh viewed the
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Speaker 1: casualties as a necessary part of his mission. I didn't
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Speaker 1: define the rules of engagement in this conflict, he said.
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Speaker 1: The rules, if not written down, are defined by the aggressor.
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Speaker 1: It was brutal, no holds barred, women and kids were
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Speaker 1: let Waco and Ruby Ridge. You put back in the
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Speaker 1: government's faces exactly what they're giving out. He also stated,
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Speaker 1: I wanted the government to hurt like the people of
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Speaker 1: Waco and Ruby Ridgehead McVeigh wasn't the only man involved
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Speaker 1: in the Oklahoma City bombing, though forensic evidence quickly connected
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Speaker 1: another survivalist, a man named Terry Nichols to the bombing.
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Speaker 1: Nichols and McVeigh had met in nineteen eighty eight at
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Speaker 1: Fort Benning during basic training for the US Army, and
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Speaker 1: following their service both became radically anti government. Together and
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Speaker 1: with further accomplished Michael Fortier, mcveigh's former army roommate, The
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Speaker 1: men purchased the materials necessary to build the bomb, but
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Speaker 1: neither Terry Nichols nor Michael Fortier were the men who
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Speaker 1: had gone with Timothy McVeigh to Elliott's body shop to
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Speaker 1: rent the rider truck that would house their detonator, and
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Speaker 1: in fact, to this very day, John Done number two,
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Speaker 1: who was seen renting the truck that the bombing would
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Speaker 1: be carried out with, has never been conclusively identified, but
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Speaker 1: we do know that it wasn't Terry Nichols or Michael Fortier.
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Speaker 1: What is known for sure, though, is that on the
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Speaker 1: morning of April nineteenth, Timothy McVeigh drove to downtown Oklahoma City,
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Speaker 1: where he then parked the truck and fled before its explosion.
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Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh had chosen that day in particular for the attack.
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Speaker 1: It was the anniversary of the violent end of the
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Speaker 1: Waco Siege, During the bombing, McVeigh wore a T shirt
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Speaker 1: that read six semper tyrannus, which translates to thus always
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Speaker 1: to tyrants. This was the same phrase allegedly shouted by
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Speaker 1: Brutus as he assassinated Julius Caesar and John Wilkes Booth
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Speaker 1: as he shot Abraham Lincoln in the head. That shirt
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Speaker 1: would later test positive for bomb residue. But none of
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Speaker 1: the men involved in the bombing were exactly master criminals,
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Speaker 1: So before twenty four hours had passed, the FBI already
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Speaker 1: had Timothy McVeigh in custody and were in the process
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Speaker 1: of connecting Terry Nichols to the attack too. They had
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Speaker 1: pretty high IQs, but they weren't everyday criminals. They weren't dealers,
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Speaker 1: they weren't bank robbers, they weren't kidnappers, they weren't car thieves,
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Speaker 1: so they didn't have a background in conducting crimes. Agent
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Speaker 1: Hurstley said. But despite Timothy McVeigh being the man who
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Speaker 1: planted the truck, the FBI still believes that Terry Nichols
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Speaker 1: was the primary instigator of the attack. Let there be
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Speaker 1: no mistake that Terry Nichols was the brains behind this.
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Speaker 1: He was the person that plotted it. He was the
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Speaker 1: person that egged McVeigh on to do it. He just
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be caught Percy alleges. But despite Terry
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Speaker 1: Nichols potentially being the leader of that small group of
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Speaker 1: domestic terrorists, it was Timothy McVeigh himself who would get
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Speaker 1: the needle. Following his conviction in nineteen ninety seven, he
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Speaker 1: was acted in June of two thousand and one, and
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Speaker 1: Terry Nichols was sentenced to life in prison in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and four. So essentially that's the official story. Terry Nichols,
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Speaker 1: Michael Fortier, and Timothy mcveig had all met up, they
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Speaker 1: had all come together in their own ways, and they
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Speaker 1: eventually decided that Hey, I want to bomb a building.
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Speaker 1: I want to strike back at the government. They worked
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Speaker 1: for months to plan this whole thing. They collected all
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Speaker 1: the materials, they went through some trials and testings, and
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Speaker 1: eventually built the bomb. And then they executed the plan,
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Speaker 1: and Timothy McVay was the one who drove down to
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Speaker 1: the city that day and escaped alone. No one else
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Speaker 1: has ever been connected to this whole thing. That's just
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Speaker 1: the story. And now we have to get to the conspiracy. So,
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Speaker 1: as far as the public goes, the Oklahoma City bombing
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Speaker 1: was a vicious and tragic attack that was quickly solved
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Speaker 1: by the swift work of federal agents. Today, most people
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Speaker 1: believe that all involved were arrested and that the man
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Speaker 1: who planted the truck, Timothy McVeigh, was appropriately punished for
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Speaker 1: his acts of terrorism. But for those who have taken
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Speaker 1: a keen interest in the bombing and its explicit details,
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Speaker 1: the story that the public knows may not be all
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Speaker 1: there is to it. And well, it's true that any
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Speaker 1: event like the Oklahoma City bombing is sure to attract
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists no matter how airtight the official story is,
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Speaker 1: there actually is some pretty compelling evidence that all the
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Speaker 1: facts about that awful day in nineteen ninety five either
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Speaker 1: aren't known or aren't fully accurate. As a result, there
18:09
Speaker 1: are some lingering questions about the bombing of the Murrah
18:12
Speaker 1: Federal Building that have yet to sufficiently be answered. Namely,
18:15
Speaker 1: some of the questions are were Timothy McVeigh and Terry
18:18
Speaker 1: Nichols really the only major players in the planning and attack,
18:21
Speaker 1: or are there other perpetrators who have escaped justice and
18:24
Speaker 1: potentially still pose a threat to the United States, And
18:27
Speaker 1: is it possible that those unnamed participants were members of
18:30
Speaker 1: a foreign nation, making the bombing of Oklahoma City more
18:33
Speaker 1: than a cut and dry instance of a few radical
18:36
Speaker 1: domestic terrorists. These are questions that haven't just been asked
18:39
Speaker 1: by fringe theorists. They've even been posed by congressional committees
18:43
Speaker 1: and the defense lawyers who represented Timothy McVeigh long after
18:46
Speaker 1: his conviction and their duty to argue his innocence evaporated.
18:50
Speaker 1: People who have concerns about the veracity of the official
18:52
Speaker 1: story of the Oklahoma City bombing aren't just grasping at straws.
18:56
Speaker 1: There's some real meat here. They're taking hard looks at
18:58
Speaker 1: crucial pieces of evidence and the holes in officials explanations
19:02
Speaker 1: that are sure to raise the eyebrows of anyone who's
19:04
Speaker 1: open to the potential of their being more to the story.
19:07
Speaker 1: One of the first questionable pieces of evidence is something
19:10
Speaker 1: that's already been briefly introduced, the mysterious John Doe number two,
19:14
Speaker 1: one of the men who rented the truck from the
19:16
Speaker 1: body shop that would be used in the bombing. Days later,
19:19
Speaker 1: while officials were able to positively conclude that Timothy McVeigh
19:23
Speaker 1: was John Doe number one. The man who was with
19:25
Speaker 1: him has never been found, and it's clear that it
19:28
Speaker 1: was neither Nichols nor fellow conspirator Michael Fortier. So who
19:31
Speaker 1: is John Doe number two? And if he's never been identified,
19:34
Speaker 1: isn't that a huge red flag indicating that those who
19:37
Speaker 1: were tried weren't the only ones involved. Well, the FBI's
19:40
Speaker 1: explanation for John Doe number two isn't entirely convincing. They
19:44
Speaker 1: alleged that the employees from the body shop who gave
19:47
Speaker 1: their descriptions of the men who rented the truck to
19:49
Speaker 1: FBI sketch artist Roy Roske, confused their days. Well, they
19:53
Speaker 1: gave accurate descriptions. It wasn't McVeigh and a second man
19:56
Speaker 1: they were remembering. It was, according to the FBI, Michael
20:00
Speaker 1: and Todd Bunting, two US Army soldiers who rented a
20:03
Speaker 1: rider truck the day after Timothy McVeagh did. According to
20:06
Speaker 1: the FBI, the soldiers matched Timothy McVeigh well enough to
20:09
Speaker 1: explain why thousands claimed he was one of the men
20:12
Speaker 1: after the sketches were released to the public. The mix
20:15
Speaker 1: up could mean that Timothy McVeigh really did rent the
20:18
Speaker 1: truck alone and that there actually is no John Done
20:20
Speaker 1: number two on the loose. For his part, the body
20:22
Speaker 1: shop owner insists that Timothy mcveig himself was accompanied by
20:27
Speaker 1: another man, and according to a report following an investigation
20:30
Speaker 1: by an investigation subcommittee, the truck shop owner also alleges
20:34
Speaker 1: that the FBI has pressured him to change his story
20:37
Speaker 1: multiple times over the years. Interestingly, the Oversight and Investigation
20:41
Speaker 1: subcommittee that looked into the bombing reported coming up against
20:45
Speaker 1: an uncooperative FBI. It reported, quote, Federal law enforcement has
20:49
Speaker 1: been accused of an institutional mindset that congressional oversight is
20:53
Speaker 1: a nuisance to be avoided or blocked. That mindset was
20:57
Speaker 1: painfully obvious during this subcommittee's inquiry to the Oklahoma City bombing. Instead,
21:02
Speaker 1: Justice Department officials and perhaps the CIA were less than
21:06
Speaker 1: responsive in crucial stages of this investigation, exemplifying needless defensiveness.
21:11
Speaker 1: Most of the official narrative of the Oklahoma City bombing
21:14
Speaker 1: investigation survives close scrutiny. However, this inquiry would have been
21:19
Speaker 1: significantly more complete with greater cooperation from federal law enforcement
21:24
Speaker 1: end quote. The Subcommittee's reporting underscores not only the possible
21:27
Speaker 1: elusiveness within the FBI, but the need for further investigation
21:32
Speaker 1: into the OKCB storyline. And when it comes to the
21:35
Speaker 1: question as to whether Timothy mcveay was accompanied by another man,
21:39
Speaker 1: there are others who report similar sightings, and not just
21:42
Speaker 1: at the body shop where the truck was rented. While
21:44
Speaker 1: he was in Kansas renting the rider truck, Timothy McVeigh
21:47
Speaker 1: stayed at a place called the Dreamland Motel where a
21:50
Speaker 1: Chinese food driver delivered food on April fifteenth, But while
21:54
Speaker 1: the food was delivered to Timothy mcveay's room, the driver
21:58
Speaker 1: is positive that it wasn't Timothy McVeigh who opened the
22:01
Speaker 1: door and accepted his food delivery. He says that it
22:03
Speaker 1: was for sure, without a doubt John Dowe number two
22:07
Speaker 1: based on taking a look at the sketch, but he's
22:09
Speaker 1: not the only one who saw another man with Timothy McVeigh.
22:12
Speaker 1: There was also an employee from a tire shop in
22:15
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City who claims that on the day of the bombing,
22:18
Speaker 1: he saw Timothy McVeigh and a quote dark passenger end
22:21
Speaker 1: quote wearing a ball cap pulling to the driveway of
22:24
Speaker 1: his store. According to this employee, the pair pulled up
22:27
Speaker 1: at eight forty five am, roughly twenty minutes before the attack,
22:31
Speaker 1: and asked for directions. The same witness was able to
22:34
Speaker 1: pick Timothy McVeigh out of a lineup without having seen
22:37
Speaker 1: the FBI's sketches. Now, Timothy McVeigh denied having ever stopped
22:41
Speaker 1: at a tire shop to his lawyers, but the witness's
22:43
Speaker 1: claims are still interesting, particularly when paired with other accounts
22:47
Speaker 1: on the day that may indicate that not only did
22:49
Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh not rent the truck alone, but he also
22:52
Speaker 1: didn't execute the bombing alone either. Such a revelation would
22:55
Speaker 1: go against what has always been the accepted story, which
22:58
Speaker 1: is that the attack was played and with Terry Nichols and,
23:01
Speaker 1: to a lesser extent, Michael Fortier, and that Timothy McVeigh
23:04
Speaker 1: planted and detonated the bomb completely alone. But John Doe
23:08
Speaker 1: number two's existence throws a wrench in that story. And
23:11
Speaker 1: if there was another man with Timothy McVeigh that day,
23:13
Speaker 1: who was he and how deeply were they involved with
23:16
Speaker 1: the plan from its start. In the years since the bombing,
23:19
Speaker 1: there have been several men who have come up on
23:21
Speaker 1: the list of potential participants. Perhaps the most infamous suspected
23:25
Speaker 1: additional culprit is a man named Andreas Strassmeier, a German
23:28
Speaker 1: from a well known far right family. For years, Strassmeyer
23:32
Speaker 1: has appeared in various conspiracy theories, and he gained attention
23:35
Speaker 1: from officials rather quickly, and their interests grew when they
23:39
Speaker 1: learned that Andreas Strassmeyer had a personal and pretty close
23:42
Speaker 1: relationship with Timothy McVey. Strasmeyer met Timothy McVeigh at a
23:47
Speaker 1: gun show in Tulsa in nineteen ninety three. While they
23:49
Speaker 1: were there, they bonded over their shared radical views on
23:52
Speaker 1: the government and their displeasure of its handling of Ruby Ridge.
23:56
Speaker 1: Like Timothy McVey, Andreas Strassmeyer was a soldier himself, served
24:00
Speaker 1: for five years in the German Army before he eventually
24:03
Speaker 1: made his way to America, where he served as head
24:05
Speaker 1: of security forces at Alohim City, a white separatist community
24:09
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Elohim City is a pretty crazy story if
24:13
Speaker 1: you just read about that itself. It's a completely separated community,
24:18
Speaker 1: isolated really from the outside world, strictly of white people,
24:22
Speaker 1: very very radical, very very white separatist, white supremacist and
24:26
Speaker 1: lots of connections to domestic terrorist events. But it's unclear
24:29
Speaker 1: to this day how close Timothy McVeigh and Andreas Strassmeyer were.
24:33
Speaker 1: While the two contend that they weren't good friends, some
24:36
Speaker 1: witnesses have asserted that they definitely were. You see, Timothy
24:40
Speaker 1: McVeigh was known to mention his friend Andy the German
24:43
Speaker 1: to others, and it's been reported that he had even
24:46
Speaker 1: been invited by Andreas Strassmeier to visit Elohim City, though
24:50
Speaker 1: he never seemed to have taken him up on the offer,
24:53
Speaker 1: at least according to official reports. But certainly there's plenty
24:57
Speaker 1: of evidence to show that Strassmeyer and McVeigh knew each
25:00
Speaker 1: other beyond simply chatting for a few minutes at a
25:03
Speaker 1: gun show. And according to the Subcommittee investigating quote, on
25:06
Speaker 1: April fifth, nineteen ninety five, at three forty eight pm,
25:10
Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh called Elohim City, ostensibly searching for a place
25:14
Speaker 1: to hide out after the bombing. Reverend Miller's daughter in
25:18
Speaker 1: law answered the phone and McVeigh asked to speak with Strasmeyer,
25:21
Speaker 1: who was unavailable. End quote. So there you go. You
25:24
Speaker 1: actually have in the government's Subcommittee findings in their investigative report,
25:29
Speaker 1: saying that at three forty eight pm, two weeks or
25:32
Speaker 1: so before the bombing, Timothy McVeigh himself called Elohim City,
25:36
Speaker 1: that white separatist community, and asked to speak with Strasmeyer himself.
25:41
Speaker 1: Why would he do that so shortly before the bombing,
25:43
Speaker 1: and especially if he wasn't close with anybody that lived
25:46
Speaker 1: there or Strasmeyer himself. But here's something else incredibly suspicious.
25:50
Speaker 1: You see, shortly after the bombing, Andreas Strassmeyer fled the
25:54
Speaker 1: United States. He escaped and returned to Germany, though it
25:57
Speaker 1: hasn't been confirmed exactly who helped him get there or
26:00
Speaker 1: who gave him notice. Notes from a nineteen ninety seven
26:03
Speaker 1: FBI investigation, however, show that it was allegedly CIA pilot
26:07
Speaker 1: Dave Holloway that flew Andrea Strassmeier back to Germany, but
26:11
Speaker 1: other documents state that he was aided by members of
26:14
Speaker 1: Germany's elite counter terrorism unit GSG nine. It remains unclear
26:19
Speaker 1: which is true, but they've both been referenced in official documents.
26:22
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that Andreas Strassmeier was under surveillance for
26:26
Speaker 1: his potential involvement in the bombing early on, the FBI
26:29
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to interview him until nineteen ninety six, after
26:33
Speaker 1: he had already fled the United States, and that interview
26:35
Speaker 1: was brief and took place over the phone, hardly an
26:38
Speaker 1: effort that was likely to gain any good insight into
26:41
Speaker 1: the germans potential role. Now, there's nothing necessarily concrete that
26:45
Speaker 1: ties Strassmeier to the Oklahoma City bombing other than his
26:49
Speaker 1: position as a far right radical, his friendship with Timothy
26:52
Speaker 1: McVeigh an alignment with his motives, but he remains a
26:55
Speaker 1: name that comes up frequently when theorists discussed potential other participants.
26:59
Speaker 1: It should be noted, though, that at one point an
27:01
Speaker 1: undercover agent actually was assigned to infiltrate Aloham City where
27:06
Speaker 1: Andreas Strassmeyer and all those other white separatists were living.
27:09
Speaker 1: And this undercover agent, this confidential informant working for the ATF,
27:14
Speaker 1: actually told her superior is that Andrea Strassmeyer would frequently
27:17
Speaker 1: talk about quote blowing up federal buildings end quote, and
27:21
Speaker 1: using quote direct action against the US government end quote.
27:25
Speaker 1: So that's that's a pretty bizarre coincidence, right, This guy
27:28
Speaker 1: has good friends with Timothy mcveay he's telling undercover informants
27:32
Speaker 1: about how he'd loved to bomb federal buildings. He gets
27:35
Speaker 1: a direct phone call from Timothy McVeigh before the bombing,
27:39
Speaker 1: and he escapes the United States right afterwards, supposedly with
27:42
Speaker 1: help from a CIA pilot. But he's not connected to
27:45
Speaker 1: this in any way according to the official story. But
27:48
Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh isn't the only bombing conspirator suspected to have
27:52
Speaker 1: had help from outside influences. Terry Nichols, the other man
27:56
Speaker 1: convicted for these crimes, had his own dubious relationships as well.
28:00
Speaker 1: You see, Terry Nichols began his first of several trips
28:03
Speaker 1: to the Philippines in August of nineteen ninety, trips that
28:06
Speaker 1: he alleges were mainly to locate a wife, which he
28:09
Speaker 1: eventually did do. Terry Nichols married a woman named Maurif
28:12
Speaker 1: Torres in November of nineteen ninety. But that wasn't the
28:16
Speaker 1: only thing he got up to while in the Philippines.
28:18
Speaker 1: According to witness Daisy Gilaspie, Terry Nichols asked her quote
28:22
Speaker 1: if she knew anyone in the military or anyone else
28:25
Speaker 1: who could help him make a bomb end quote, and
28:28
Speaker 1: on his final trip to the Philippines, Terry Nichols also
28:31
Speaker 1: brought with him the book The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives.
28:34
Speaker 1: That final trip took place just months before the bombing
28:38
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City will Both of these pieces of evidence
28:41
Speaker 1: make it questionable as to whether Terry Nichols was really
28:44
Speaker 1: there to find a wife or was looking for help
28:46
Speaker 1: making a bomb. There's still more evidence that's concerning. Before
28:50
Speaker 1: he left for the Philippines. On his final trip in
28:52
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Terry Nichols left his wife a sealed
28:56
Speaker 1: note and emphasized that she shouldn't open it unless he
28:59
Speaker 1: didn't return. She obviously ignored his instructions and opened the letter.
29:03
Speaker 1: Inside she found details on where Terry Nichols had stashed
29:07
Speaker 1: away twenty thousand dollars for her and their son. Terry
29:10
Speaker 1: Nichols's explanation for where the money had come from was
29:13
Speaker 1: weak at best. He claimed he had earned that money babysitting.
29:17
Speaker 1: A better explanation might be that it came from a
29:19
Speaker 1: robbery that he ordered on a gun dealer named Roger Moore,
29:23
Speaker 1: but that robbery's never been confirmed to have been connected
29:26
Speaker 1: to Terry Nichols and Terry Nichols himself never gave investigators
29:30
Speaker 1: any clarity, and as a result, some people have proposed
29:33
Speaker 1: that the money was related to the upcoming bombing. Was
29:35
Speaker 1: Terry Nichols being paid to plan the bombing and then
29:38
Speaker 1: push McVeigh to complete it, and if so by who
29:41
Speaker 1: who would have been paying Terry Nichols Well. Some suggest
29:44
Speaker 1: that the Midwest Bank Robbers, a group of white supremacist
29:47
Speaker 1: criminals who robbed at least eighteen banks in the nineteen nineties,
29:51
Speaker 1: may have had something to do with it. So two
29:53
Speaker 1: of the men in that extremely alt right group had
29:56
Speaker 1: at one time been roommates with none other than Timothy
29:59
Speaker 1: mcveigh's German friend Andrea Strassmeier. It's an eye catching coincidence,
30:04
Speaker 1: and the plot continues to think it. The Congressional Subcommittee
30:07
Speaker 1: reports that another gang member named Richard Guthrie claimed to
30:11
Speaker 1: them that he had information on the bombing and was
30:14
Speaker 1: going to talk to them. Richard Guthrie had come to
30:17
Speaker 1: the FBI or whoever whatever agency he had reported to,
30:20
Speaker 1: and he said, I know some secrets about the Oklahoma
30:23
Speaker 1: City bombing. I have some truth that I need to
30:25
Speaker 1: get off my chest. I need to tell you guys
30:27
Speaker 1: because it's it's eating me alive. But Richard Guthrie, the
30:30
Speaker 1: day after he told authorities that he was going to
30:33
Speaker 1: tell them the truth related to the bombing, he was
30:35
Speaker 1: found dead in his jail cell. How bizarre is that
30:38
Speaker 1: one guy's going to tell the authorities he's involved in
30:41
Speaker 1: this gang and he's a member of these groups, and
30:43
Speaker 1: he says, I know some pretty damaging stuff about what
30:46
Speaker 1: really happened here, and then he's found dead the very
30:48
Speaker 1: next day. While the report couldn't officially confirm the Midwest
30:51
Speaker 1: Bank robbers involvement, it lists the possibility of them funding
30:55
Speaker 1: the bombing as one of their major unanswered questions. But
30:59
Speaker 1: aside from getting missed married and sourcing strange amounts of cash,
31:02
Speaker 1: Terry Nichols was up to some other strange things too.
31:05
Speaker 1: You see. Well, Terry Nichols was in the Philippines. It's
31:08
Speaker 1: been reported many times that he improved his bomb making skills.
31:12
Speaker 1: In Michael forty Year's testimony, he claimed that Terry Nichols
31:15
Speaker 1: and Timothy mcveigh's first attempts at making explosives failed terribly.
31:19
Speaker 1: But according to the subcommittee, following his time in the Philippines,
31:22
Speaker 1: Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh quote were fully capable of
31:26
Speaker 1: manufacturing the crude but deadly bomb that was used to
31:29
Speaker 1: bring down the Murrah Federal Building end quote. And if
31:32
Speaker 1: Terry Nichols was indeed learning from someone about bomb making,
31:36
Speaker 1: we may know who it was. You see, Terry Nichols's wife,
31:39
Speaker 1: Mari fay Mareef, had a friend named Vilma, a lumbering
31:42
Speaker 1: who had allegedly dated a man with the last name
31:45
Speaker 1: of Kahn. The three reportedly parted together at a disco
31:48
Speaker 1: just one month before Terry Nichols arrived in the country
31:52
Speaker 1: for the first time. That seems like a trivial detail.
31:55
Speaker 1: A friend of Terry Nichols's wife, who knows what that's
31:58
Speaker 1: connected to or why we're bringing that up. Well, it
32:01
Speaker 1: seems like a trivial detail, But it becomes critical if
32:04
Speaker 1: the rumors that Khan was actually Wali Khan, who trained
32:08
Speaker 1: terrorist in the Philippines are correct. So this Wali Khan
32:12
Speaker 1: was rumored to be an expert at making explosives, and
32:15
Speaker 1: he was even convicted of plotting to blow up United
32:18
Speaker 1: States planes. So how strange is that a very good
32:22
Speaker 1: friend of Terry Nichols's wife dated a man named Khan.
32:25
Speaker 1: There was a Khan in the Philippines who was an
32:28
Speaker 1: expert at making explosives and was a terrorist. If the
32:31
Speaker 1: man Marief knew was really Wally Khan, that would mean
32:35
Speaker 1: that Terry Nichols's wife was in contact with a dangerous terrorist.
32:39
Speaker 1: That doesn't prove anything in its kind of conjecture, but
32:42
Speaker 1: it raises critical questions about Khan's potential influence and whether
32:46
Speaker 1: or not he assisted in the of one hundred and
32:48
Speaker 1: sixty eight Americans without ever facing any repercussions. And interestingly,
32:53
Speaker 1: when investigators reached out to Khan in prison to ask
32:56
Speaker 1: him about his involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing, he
32:59
Speaker 1: declined to be interviewed. He said he didn't want to talk.
33:02
Speaker 1: Lingering questions about additional unnamed culprits, though, aren't the only
33:06
Speaker 1: things that stick out to people who question the narrative,
33:08
Speaker 1: And this time the evidence comes from closer to home.
33:11
Speaker 1: Terry Yiki was a police officer in Oklahoma City and
33:14
Speaker 1: he saw the destruction and tragedy of the bombing up close.
33:17
Speaker 1: On the day of the attack, Terry Yiki himself rescued
33:20
Speaker 1: three people from the rubble of the federal building, pulling
33:23
Speaker 1: at least one from under debris where he had been trapped.
33:26
Speaker 1: But less than a year later, just days before he
33:29
Speaker 1: was set to receive an award for his heroic actions,
33:31
Speaker 1: an award that he didn't want, Terry Yiki was dead.
33:35
Speaker 1: The official ruling was that Terry Yiki had unlived himself.
33:39
Speaker 1: On the surface, the story is tragic but incredibly believable.
33:43
Speaker 1: You see, Terry yik had witnessed some of the most
33:45
Speaker 1: traumatic events imaginable, and like many of his fellow first responders,
33:49
Speaker 1: he had been forever changed by what he encountered when
33:52
Speaker 1: he arrived on the scene that awful morning in April.
33:55
Speaker 1: And while heartbreaking, self unliving doesn't really seem out of
33:58
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility for someone who was haunted by
34:01
Speaker 1: his experiences with a domestic terror attack. But taking a
34:05
Speaker 1: look at Terry Yiki's death for even just a little bit,
34:08
Speaker 1: you start to notice that the story goes from tragic
34:11
Speaker 1: to disturbing quite quickly. For starters, Yiki didn't want that
34:15
Speaker 1: medal of valor at all, despite the fact he had
34:17
Speaker 1: clearly earned it through his acts of terrorism, Because in
34:20
Speaker 1: the days and weeks after the bombing, the police officer
34:23
Speaker 1: had become convinced that the public wasn't being told the
34:26
Speaker 1: whole truth about the attack. He was sure that federal
34:29
Speaker 1: officials were working overtime to hide something, to cover up
34:33
Speaker 1: the true story of the bombing. You see, on the
34:35
Speaker 1: day of the bombing, Terry Yiki injured his back while
34:38
Speaker 1: pulling victim Randy Ledger from the destruction. When his wife,
34:41
Speaker 1: Tanya picked him up from the hospital after his treatment,
34:44
Speaker 1: Terry Yiki was in tears. He told his wife, quote Tanya,
34:48
Speaker 1: it's not what they're saying, it is. They're not telling
34:50
Speaker 1: the truth. They're lying about what's going on down there.
34:52
Speaker 1: End quote. It's not clear what yik he saw that
34:55
Speaker 1: made him suspicious, but some contend that it relates to
34:58
Speaker 1: theories that the government had primed knowledge of the attack
35:01
Speaker 1: and did nothing to stop it. In his twenty twenty
35:04
Speaker 1: three article on Officer Yiki and the events surrounding his death,
35:08
Speaker 1: CNN journalist Thomas Lake writes, quote, In the months and
35:11
Speaker 1: years that followed, a stubborn contingent of skeptics pursued other
35:15
Speaker 1: angles to the story. They insisted that government officials were
35:18
Speaker 1: somehow culpable. It was a botched sting operation, they said,
35:21
Speaker 1: or perhaps the government permitted or even orchestrated the bombing
35:25
Speaker 1: for political advantage. The government denied these allegations, of course,
35:28
Speaker 1: and still does. Still there's something about the case that
35:31
Speaker 1: makes people want to keep investigating. There were multiple reports
35:35
Speaker 1: of prior warnings given to some federal employees, of an
35:38
Speaker 1: unidentified second suspect in the rider truck, and of additional
35:41
Speaker 1: explosives that allegedly contributed to the blast. Lake reports that
35:46
Speaker 1: Yiki believed that some government employees were lying about where
35:49
Speaker 1: they were during the bombing. He was also suspicious about
35:52
Speaker 1: the details of the explosion. According to his sister, Lashawn
35:56
Speaker 1: Hargrove Terry, Yeki saw signs that the bomb had come
35:59
Speaker 1: from inside of the building, not outside in the truck. Now, admittedly,
36:04
Speaker 1: Yiki wasn't an explosives expert, and likely he was deeply
36:07
Speaker 1: emotionally affected by his experiences on the day of the attack,
36:11
Speaker 1: But whatever it was that he saw that gave him pause,
36:13
Speaker 1: it troubled him enough that he couldn't let go of it.
36:16
Speaker 1: A few days after the bombing, Yiki decided that he
36:19
Speaker 1: needed to go back down to the site. There was
36:21
Speaker 1: something he wanted to see, so he and his wife,
36:24
Speaker 1: Tonya drove to the federal building. Tonya recalls, quote, we
36:27
Speaker 1: did go down there, probably between nine point thirty ten o'clock,
36:30
Speaker 1: and he said that we were going to go look
36:32
Speaker 1: underneath where the daycare had been. There was something he
36:35
Speaker 1: wanted to see over there and get a picture if
36:37
Speaker 1: possible end quote. But the pair wasn't able to gain
36:40
Speaker 1: re entry, according to Tanya, after trying to use his
36:43
Speaker 1: badge to gain access, Yiki had a quote very antagonistic
36:47
Speaker 1: end quote interaction with an agent who told him that
36:50
Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to be back, seeming to not want
36:53
Speaker 1: to push his luck. With Tanya in the car with him.
36:55
Speaker 1: Yiki then left, but he didn't give up doing his
36:58
Speaker 1: own digging. Eventually he pieced again there a detailed report
37:01
Speaker 1: on the attack, a report he told Tanya had disappeared
37:04
Speaker 1: after he'd submitted it to his supervisors, and according to Yiki,
37:08
Speaker 1: that report that he wrote himself and submitted also earned
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Speaker 1: him the ire of the entire department. And Yiki isn't
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Speaker 1: the only police officer who's claimed that their dissenting accounts
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Speaker 1: on the story of the bombing were scrubbed from existence.
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Speaker 1: Keep that in mind too. Yiki himself compiled a report
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Speaker 1: on things he had seen, people he had talked to,
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Speaker 1: things that he noticed didn't make sense about the official story,
37:31
Speaker 1: and he submitted that report, and it vanished. It's never
37:34
Speaker 1: been seen again. And then, obviously, shortly afterwards, he was
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Speaker 1: found dead. Former Oklahoma City police officer Steve Vassar also
37:41
Speaker 1: to this day claims that his own reporting on the
37:44
Speaker 1: events mysteriously went missing too. Steve Vassar had been downtown
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Speaker 1: the day of the bombing and had seen the rider
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Speaker 1: truck with his own eyes. And though the official story
37:53
Speaker 1: has always been that Timothy McVeigh was alone in the truck,
37:56
Speaker 1: Steve Vassar is sure that that isn't the case. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you right now, as God is
38:02
Speaker 1: my witness, there were two people. End quote. That was
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Speaker 1: a direct quote from Steve himself that CNN reporter Lake
38:08
Speaker 1: also wrote. Quote. Vassar says that although he wrote this
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Speaker 1: account in one of his supplemental reports on the bombing,
38:14
Speaker 1: no investigator ever questioned him about what he'd seen. Years later,
38:18
Speaker 1: he searched for his reports in the Oklahoma City Police
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Speaker 1: Department's computer system. He says he saw hundreds of other
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Speaker 1: reports about the bombing and its aftermath, but he couldn't
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Speaker 1: find his own reports. They were gone, he said, they
38:30
Speaker 1: were not in the system, as if I never was there.
38:33
Speaker 1: Despite facing pushback from officials and his work going missing, though,
38:37
Speaker 1: Terry Yeek never backed down from his efforts to uncover
38:40
Speaker 1: the truth about what really happened that day, and as
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Speaker 1: he continued talking to people, checking evidence for himself, visiting locations,
38:47
Speaker 1: and investigating, Yik became more and more convinced that something
38:51
Speaker 1: was very, very wrong with the Oklahoma City bombing storyline.
38:54
Speaker 1: He also told loved ones that he was becoming fearful
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Speaker 1: for his life. Yiki began showing up at Tanya's house
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Speaker 1: at strange hours. He seemed deeply afraid, she recalls. He
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Speaker 1: wanted me to leave in the middle of the night
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Speaker 1: with him. He said, we need to get remarried. Don't
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Speaker 1: ask me questions. This is the only way I can
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Speaker 1: make sure you and the girls are taken care of
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Speaker 1: in the event that something happens to me. End quote.
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Speaker 1: Then in May of nineteen ninety six, a little more
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Speaker 1: than a year after the bombing, Yiky brought a VCR
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Speaker 1: and a videotape to Tanya's house and left it in
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Speaker 1: her car. He also talked to her about some insurance papers.
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Speaker 1: That was the very last time that she ever saw
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Speaker 1: him alive. Yiki also visited his sister Vicki and her
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Speaker 1: husband before he died. Though Vicky and her husband have
39:36
Speaker 1: both since passed away, his other sister, Lashan, has details
39:40
Speaker 1: on the visit. According to Lashan, Yeki was exhausted and crying.
39:44
Speaker 1: He told them that the official story about the bombing
39:47
Speaker 1: was wrong, but he couldn't give them any more details.
39:50
Speaker 1: Seems that he was afraid to even share what he
39:52
Speaker 1: had discovered. It's just not what they say it is,
39:54
Speaker 1: he was quoted as saying at the time. Yiki also
39:57
Speaker 1: met with Ramona McDonald, a businesswoman who had been during
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Speaker 1: the bombing. The two met in the hours after the attack.
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Speaker 1: Ramona McDonald claims to this day that yeky told her
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Speaker 1: he had been asked to meet with men from a
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Speaker 1: task force who wanted to see the evidence he had
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Speaker 1: collected about the bombing, but he wasn't sure whether he
40:14
Speaker 1: should do as they asked or not. Though he thought
40:16
Speaker 1: it could be a dangerous situation, Yiki didn't want to
40:19
Speaker 1: walk away from an opportunity to speak with people who
40:22
Speaker 1: might have taken his evidence seriously. Maybe these men could
40:25
Speaker 1: help him uncover the truth. Maybe they could even help
40:27
Speaker 1: him inform the public. In the end, Ramona McDonald said,
40:30
Speaker 1: Yiki decided to go to that meeting unarmed. He didn't
40:33
Speaker 1: want them to be able to use his own weapon
40:36
Speaker 1: against him. He left Ramona McDonald's house to go meet
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Speaker 1: the men where they had requested, somewhere near a federal
40:41
Speaker 1: prison in El Reno, Texas, And later that very day,
40:45
Speaker 1: Ramona McDonald learned that Terry Yeeky was dead. Huh, that
40:50
Speaker 1: gives me chills. Actually, that's so crazy. Oh my god,
40:56
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yiki was found roughly two miles away from
41:01
Speaker 1: that prison. Lake described the site as quote a lonely,
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Speaker 1: windswept place with tall grass under a big sky end. Quote.
41:08
Speaker 1: It was a place that, according to his sister, Lashawan,
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Speaker 1: Yiki was afraid of. Quote. I remember him at one
41:14
Speaker 1: point in time saying that lots of bad things went
41:17
Speaker 1: on over there. He wouldn't have been caught Oh excuse me.
41:20
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to say that he wouldn't have
41:22
Speaker 1: been caught dead there, But I guess he was end quote.
41:25
Speaker 1: Yiki's death was ruled a self unliving almost immediately, despite
41:30
Speaker 1: extremely strange details existing about the scene and his body
41:34
Speaker 1: never being autop seed. His injuries were incredibly odd. His
41:38
Speaker 1: neck and wrists had been end he had been in
41:42
Speaker 1: the head, and according to Tanya, sources within law enforcement
41:46
Speaker 1: told her that Yiki had bruises and rope burns on
41:49
Speaker 1: his ankles and wrists, evidence that he had been bound
41:52
Speaker 1: before his death. There was also dirt and grass in
41:55
Speaker 1: his wounds, as if he had been forced to the ground.
41:58
Speaker 1: When Lashawn heard about the condition of Yiki's body, she
42:01
Speaker 1: told their mother quote, Mama, theyted him end quote. The
42:06
Speaker 1: scene of Yiki's death didn't seem to make sense either.
42:08
Speaker 1: Though there was a large amount of blood in his car,
42:11
Speaker 1: his body was found half a mile away from his vehicle.
42:13
Speaker 1: Lake sums up the incongruities by saying, quote, if the
42:16
Speaker 1: prevailing narrative is correct, Yiki arms and neck with blades
42:22
Speaker 1: heavily in his car and then walked or ran about
42:25
Speaker 1: half a mile into either a field or a grove
42:28
Speaker 1: of trees, where he to death. Following her ex husband's death,
42:32
Speaker 1: Tanya was absolutely positive that someone had broken into her
42:36
Speaker 1: home and burglarized it. The VCR and tape that Yiki
42:39
Speaker 1: had left her were gone. She hadn't been able to
42:42
Speaker 1: view the tape yet and didn't know what was on it.
42:44
Speaker 1: Taking all together Yiki's comments about the truth being hidden,
42:48
Speaker 1: his paranoia, the strange circumstances of his death, the meeting
42:52
Speaker 1: with individuals from a task force, and the evidence disappearing
42:55
Speaker 1: from Tanya's house, all that's disturbing. I mean, you can't
42:58
Speaker 1: make this shut up. This guy claims he's basically found
43:00
Speaker 1: the truth behind everything he's talked to, all these people
43:03
Speaker 1: he's investigated. He's incredibly paranoid, worried that he's going to
43:06
Speaker 1: be worried that he's going to die sometime soon. He
43:08
Speaker 1: kind of makes some final preparations, He leaves a VHS tape,
43:12
Speaker 1: He goes to a meeting that he's claiming is with
43:15
Speaker 1: people from the government, and then he's found dead that
43:18
Speaker 1: very day after going to the meeting. Then someone breaks
43:21
Speaker 1: into the person's house where he left the evidence and
43:24
Speaker 1: steals all of it and it vanishes, not even to mention,
43:27
Speaker 1: you know, his police reports being gone, and his investigative
43:30
Speaker 1: notes that he turned into the police department also being gone.
43:33
Speaker 1: So what had Terry Yiki discovered? Had his theory has
43:36
Speaker 1: been correct? Was he murdered to prevent the truth from
43:39
Speaker 1: being known. Many who knew him are sure that he
43:41
Speaker 1: never would have unlived himself, even after the trauma of
43:45
Speaker 1: being at the bomb site. Quote. I think they murdered
43:47
Speaker 1: Terry because he knew too much. Lshan said. Steve Vassar
43:51
Speaker 1: had been a very good friend of Terry Yik. Quote.
43:54
Speaker 1: I still don't believe Terry did it, he said. I
43:56
Speaker 1: have just a hard time believing that Terry would. And
44:00
Speaker 1: Dan Browning, a veteran Oklahoma City police officer of over
44:04
Speaker 1: thirty years, said, quote, I still think he was murdered.
44:07
Speaker 1: End quote. And Ledger, a man that Terry Yiki carried
44:11
Speaker 1: from the rubble, doesn't buy the self unliving story either.
44:14
Speaker 1: Ledger is the man that Terry Yiki actually saved on
44:17
Speaker 1: the day of the bombing. He carried him from the rubble,
44:19
Speaker 1: and when quoted about Yiki's death, he said, quote there's
44:22
Speaker 1: too many unanswered questions end quote. But in the end,
44:25
Speaker 1: dissenting voices, demands for an autopsy, and pleading from family
44:29
Speaker 1: members haven't changed anything. Officials maintain that Yiki self deleted
44:34
Speaker 1: the same day he was buried. Terry Yiki posthumously received
44:38
Speaker 1: the Medal of Valor he'd been due to receive. Terry
44:41
Speaker 1: Yiki's story is either the tragic story of an officer
44:44
Speaker 1: driven to self unliving or the gruesome murder of a
44:47
Speaker 1: man who knew too much. I think it's the latter,
44:50
Speaker 1: and looking at all the details, it's difficult to not
44:53
Speaker 1: see it like that. The only thing that's undisputed here
44:55
Speaker 1: is that Terry Yiki was a hero after saving lives
44:58
Speaker 1: on the day of the bombing, ursue what he thought
45:01
Speaker 1: was the truth, despite thinking he was in grave danger.
45:03
Speaker 1: Whether his suspicions were warranted or not, he did what
45:06
Speaker 1: he thought was right until the very end. In the
45:09
Speaker 1: final article on the officer, Lake sums Yeky up with
45:12
Speaker 1: moving simplicity. He writes, quote, a picture taken that morning
45:15
Speaker 1: shows the officer in action. He has sweat on his brow,
45:18
Speaker 1: blood on his shirt, dust on his shoes. Terry Yeeky
45:21
Speaker 1: is running toward the danger. End quote. If you look
45:24
Speaker 1: at something hard enough, even a small detail can be
45:28
Speaker 1: massaged into the truth you want to believe, and the
45:30
Speaker 1: world is certainly full of strange coincidences that, while looking odd,
45:34
Speaker 1: ultimately don't amount to anything more than strange coincidences. So
45:38
Speaker 1: it's no surprise that when you dig into the story
45:40
Speaker 1: of the Oklahoma City bombing you find some things that
45:43
Speaker 1: stick out. A conspirator running in the same circles as
45:46
Speaker 1: terrorists in the Philippines, carrying with him on his trips,
45:49
Speaker 1: there books on making bombs, multiple witnesses who swear that
45:53
Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh wasn't alone on the day of the bombing,
45:56
Speaker 1: even though the government to this day sticks with their
45:59
Speaker 1: story that he was a mysterious John Doe that was
46:02
Speaker 1: seen with Timothy McVeigh who was never found. A police
46:05
Speaker 1: officer desperate for the truth who claimed he had discovered
46:07
Speaker 1: the disturbing reality who turned up dead under highly suspicious circumstances.
46:13
Speaker 1: And let's not forget the ring of suspected co conspirators.
46:16
Speaker 1: The guy who was talking to people in prison saying
46:19
Speaker 1: I want to tell you the truth about the bombing,
46:21
Speaker 1: who was found dead the very next day. Andrea Strasmeyer,
46:24
Speaker 1: who received a phone call from Timothy mcveig right before
46:27
Speaker 1: the bombing, who had talked to undercover agents about wanting
46:30
Speaker 1: to bomb federal buildings, who escaped the country allegedly with
46:33
Speaker 1: the help of a CIA pilot. I mean it, really,
46:37
Speaker 1: there is definitely something rotten here, something happened here. It's
46:41
Speaker 1: hard to tell exactly what it was, but there is
46:44
Speaker 1: something more than just the official story. But which of
46:47
Speaker 1: those details are real pieces of evidence and which are
46:50
Speaker 1: just circumstances and coincidence which have been blown out of proportion.
46:53
Speaker 1: And even if one is true, what does that mean
46:55
Speaker 1: for the entire story of the Oklahoma City bombing. Well,
46:59
Speaker 1: there are always people who want to find some hidden
47:01
Speaker 1: agenda or uncover a secret plot. So we should definitely
47:04
Speaker 1: expect conspiracy theories about that tragic day in nineteen ninety
47:08
Speaker 1: five to abound. But you, the viewer, after looking at
47:11
Speaker 1: all this evidence, what are you willing to ignore and
47:14
Speaker 1: what are you willing to take at face value? Because
47:17
Speaker 1: when taken altogether, it's difficult not to open your mind
47:20
Speaker 1: to the possibility that maybe, just maybe what we know
47:23
Speaker 1: about the terror attack, that the one hundred and sixty
47:26
Speaker 1: eight people, including nineteen children, isn't all there is. So
47:31
Speaker 1: I could talk for days about the Oklahoma City bombing.
47:34
Speaker 1: These were just some of the things that have really
47:36
Speaker 1: stuck out to me the most when considering the story.
47:40
Speaker 1: And yeah, I definitely think that there were people that
47:43
Speaker 1: got away that were involved. And once again, I really
47:47
Speaker 1: don't know what to make out of all of this.
47:49
Speaker 1: It's pretty bizarre stuff because on one hand, it seems
47:51
Speaker 1: like there were some more far right extremist people that
47:54
Speaker 1: were involved in this that were allowed to escape or
47:57
Speaker 1: were never investigated. But then you wonder why were they
48:00
Speaker 1: not investigated? What was the government's reason for not pursuing
48:04
Speaker 1: real justice here? Was this something that they were made
48:08
Speaker 1: aware was going to happen beforehand, and then they just
48:11
Speaker 1: ignored those red flags and let it happen for some
48:14
Speaker 1: sort of a political reason. Was this something that government
48:17
Speaker 1: officials or even deeply ameshed intelligence agents actually helped facilitate
48:23
Speaker 1: or was this really just all coincidence? And I'm just
48:26
Speaker 1: talking out of my ass. I don't think that that's true.
48:28
Speaker 1: I think you know that that's not true. That's what
48:30
Speaker 1: it boils down to me at the end here is
48:32
Speaker 1: if all of this is really connected to the Oklahoma
48:36
Speaker 1: City bombing, which I think it is, what's the reasoning?
48:39
Speaker 1: Because there's no good reasoning. So many theories. There's a
48:41
Speaker 1: good reason as to why things were covered up, there
48:44
Speaker 1: is some motive, there's some skin in the game, and
48:47
Speaker 1: yet in this case, it's a bit unclear. It's like
48:50
Speaker 1: the darkness is right there and as trying to speak
48:53
Speaker 1: to us through all these clues and pieces of evidence,
48:55
Speaker 1: but I just can't tell what it's saying. Anyways, y'all,
48:58
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Speaker 1: I want to thank Amelia GP for writing this script
49:32
Speaker 1: and for doing some research here. Amelia, wonderful job, and yeah, y'all,
49:36
Speaker 1: you always got to keep an open mind. This is
49:39
Speaker 1: a create I hope that I changed your mind a
49:40
Speaker 1: little bit and opened your mind to these possibilities. Here
49:43
Speaker 1: but for the Conspiracy Files, it's Colin Brown here. As always, guys,
49:48
Speaker 1: keep that tinfoil hat on, always question everything, and stay suspicious.
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