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Claude Stauffer: Trump Is Neither Antichrist Or Savior, But A Blessing To America · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey, friends. Welcome to another podcast. We appreciate you guys so very much. We've got my
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  brother from New York, Claude Stoffer in the house. And we're going to talk about weather
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  or not. You've heard this. Donald Trump is the anti-Christ or savior. What exactly is
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  he, and we've heard Elon Musk, we're just going to debunk some of this with my pastor brother
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  in just a minute on World View Matters. Stay tuned.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity. No topic, off limits. And now, here's your host, David Firazo.
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  Hey, friends. Welcome. I want to bring in my brother, Claude Stoffer. And you want to go to his
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  website and check out his great blogs at shepherdofhope.org. That's shepherdofhope.org. And he
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  pastors in New York. Brother, so thankful for your time again today. Good to see you. It's always
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  good to join you. I love your show, too. I love your show. It's really been great lately. It's been
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  awesome. Thank you. Well, that's the guests. I just try to ask the right questions and let the
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  guests just go. And they're the experts, right? But I have had some wonderful people on. And that
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  blesses and encourages me. But before we get rolling with this idea to just to talk about what
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  the idiocy we're hearing sometimes, Trump's the anti-Christ. And you even hear this in churches
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  from progressive Christians and others. But you've got a brand new book out. We're going to get
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  to this the next time we have you on. But since I have no chance to read it, I want to put this
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  up there. Jeff, go ahead and throw up the cover because it is right now, friends, available on Amazon,
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  your greatest patriotic duty. And what does it mean to make America truly great? We know what
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  is said about making America great or making America great again. What does great mean to find great?
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  But truly great. I'm sure you take a spiritual perspective, a biblical perspective on how to make
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  this country truly great. And so you poured your heart into this as you shared with me before we
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  got on. So I just want to make sure people know it's available on Amazon. It is also available at
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  Shepard of Hope.org, correct? Not the book. Okay. You can get a link. It's just under my name on
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  Amazon under the title. It's available in paperback, hardback, Kindle, and also audiobook. Wow,
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  really. That's interesting. That would be nice if you want to, if you like his New York accent,
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  you can get the audio version. Hey, by the way, I was watching you last night. You didn't even
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  realize that I was I was spying on you. You do a Wednesday night service. And brother, I appreciate
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  you. I think believe you were teaching the Old Testament. If I remember correctly, Wednesday night
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  service at Calvary Chapel of Hope in Amityville, correct? Tell us about that and how people can tune in.
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  Well, if you go to Calvary Chapel of Hope.org, you can you can find our website on our website.
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  They also have a link to our radio station, WGSS 89.3 FM. And if you just go on YouTube and
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  search for Calvary Chapel of Hope, you'll find our site. And we have there's a number of teachings
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  there on Wednesday nights. I teach in the Old Testament on Sunday mornings. We teach on the
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  New Testament. And presently on Sundays, we're we're in Romans chapter 12. We're going to be talking
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  about spiritual gifts. And on Wednesday, we just started a study on the minor prophet prophetic
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  book of Amos. And that's a fantastic, those minor prophets are fantastic portions of scripture.
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  Not everybody is familiar with them. But they're really a portion of scripture that shouldn't
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  be neglected. And I thank you for doing that. A lot of pastors kind of avoid the Old Testament.
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  And even prophecy. And that's for a whole nother podcast. I'm sure we've talked a little bit
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  about that in the past. How some churches just don't want to dig into Bible prophecy. And what is
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  it between one third and a quarter, a quarter or a third of the Bible is prophecy. And and
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  and 27% of the Bible is prophetic. And Jesus built upwards of 300 prophecies in his first coming.
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  And he's still, you know, he's promised to return. So he fulfilled those prophecies in his
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  incarnation. We can be just as confident that he's going to return just as he said he would.
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  Amen. It's a head scratcher brother. I mean, I know a lot. We can analyze, overanalyze it.
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  I think some pastors didn't get great training in seminary because seminary shifted to church
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  growth and other things. Maybe got away from the inerrancy of scripture and the whole council of God
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  and the Old Testament and prophecy. And it's really sad. But that's the reflection of the church
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  today, the Biblically illiterate church. But we're you're not. We have the people I have on this
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  show. I'm so blessed to hear their teachings and their stance and and their perspective on things.
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  And now let's bring it into what's going on in America right now. There's a battle with Doge.
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  There's some people are actually resisting and fighting against the Trump administration
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  finding waste and fraud and I mean billions of dollars that's been sent wasted. Our taxpayers
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  going overseas. And there are Democrats that are coming against everything Trump does. It really
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  is a time of delusion because you think, okay, if you're an American, wouldn't you want to save
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  money? Wouldn't you want more money to go to the taxpayer? Wouldn't you want the debt to be paid
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  down? Your quick thoughts on that before we jump into this and answer the question is
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  Trump is actually the department of government deficiency is actually discovered even in even
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  they have only been operating for about a month and they've already found upwards of I think four.
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  I saw a figure 4.7 trillion dollars trillion dollars. Wow. It's an incredible and they haven't even
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  really gotten to the meat of government to look at these things. But you know, they're looking at
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  the social security recipients and they're finding people, you know, all these people that are over,
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  you know, some of them are 200 years old and are still receiving social security payments.
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  And you know, I'm a senior. So you know, that kind of riles me up a little bit.
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  But you know, it's really it's really those that oppose the department of government
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  efficiency really expose themselves when they oppose them because who wouldn't want your government
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  to be more to operate more efficiently, right? Who wouldn't want graft and corruption to be exposed?
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  Well, obviously those who are guilty of it, right? And that's really that's really what we see.
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  And boy, I thank the Lord every day for for Elon Musk and what he's doing. I mean,
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  and a man doesn't know the Lord, but he certainly is an instrument to to kind of make our country
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  great again in terms of getting it back to a more efficient running government and exposing all
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  of the corruption and the, you know, it's just it's incredible that anybody would would oppose that.
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  Okay, so and I heard one commentator and I agree with him last night say,
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  the typically the people that are opposing are the ones that are either getting some sort of
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  kickbacks or some sort of money from some of this overseas stuff getting something return.
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  It's just really amazing corruption, but you said something very interesting about Elon Musk not
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  being a believer and yet he's doing something good for the country. Friends, if you're a Christian
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  and have a biblical worldview, wouldn't you want America to be preserved strengthened? We've been
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  weakened. They have tried to dismantle our nation morally, spiritually, economically,
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  militarily, my goodness, dumbing us down the education. The left has done a masterful job and it's
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  evil, but they've done a great job at dumbing down and weakening dismantling. So wouldn't you want
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  whether someone's a Christian or not to be working in the business of America of preserving us,
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  of helping us? Claude, could you speak to that for a moment because a lot of Christians need a
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  healthy perspective biblically on whether to support someone who's not a Christian and President
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  Trump, we don't know exactly where he stands, but I mean, in Old Testament, God used Cyrus,
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  King Cyrus, Isaiah 45. God uses kings and other people to help nations. Go ahead.
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  Well, God uses imperfect instruments. If you didn't use imperfect instruments, you and I wouldn't
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  be here and no one would be used, but I think it's important for us. I think there are some Christians
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  who overspiritualize their worldview and say, well, why should I be patriotic? Why should I care
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  about America? And this is one of the things that I talk about in my book, your greatest patriotic
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  duty. But some people try to apply second Chronicles 714 to America that if my people repent and return,
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  I'll revive them. But that's really not a good application. That verse spoken by Solomon on
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  the day that he dedicated to temple was more aimed at Israel. But there is another portion of
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  spoken by Jeremiah, the prophet in Jeremiah chapter 18 verses 5 through 11, where there's a more
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  broader statement that's made that if a nation that has judgment been pronounced upon, if a nation
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  repents that the Lord will relent and the Lord will hold back his judgment. And I kind of think,
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  you know, this last election was the product of much prayer. People were really praying because they
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  really understood the crisis and the pivotal nature of this recent presidential election.
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  And I think the outcome was the product of much prayer. And look, President Trump, he's like any
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  other human. He's imperfect. He's in flawed. You may not like him. You might not think that he's
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  sensitive or empathetic or sympathetic to people. But the Lord is using that man. And you know,
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  I think it's very interesting that he did literally dodge a bullet and did so courageously
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  when you look at President Trump, you know, his whole thing is making America great again. It's
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  actually anti-Antichrist because the Antichrist is someone who's going to want to unite the world
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  under his control. President Trump is not that at all. He is pompous. If you want to
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  call it that, he is proud. He is arrogant and naughty. But the thing that he, his priority is
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  making America great again. And you know, he spoke to all of the globalists at Davos and really
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  just refuted them and shot them down. And you know, if he was Antichrist, he'd go in there and he'd
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  be really trying to smooth them over. So I really have a difficult time with those that
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  contended President Trump is the Antichrist. I think there's a lot of reasons why he's just
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  not the Antichrist. And really, in many ways, to say that President Trump is the Antichrist,
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  sell Antichrist short. I love President Trump. I think he's great. He's not the level. I don't
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  think that the Antichrist will ultimately be. So some of you just heard Claude say, I love President
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  Trump. And I mean, I respect what he's doing. Policies, I respect that, not necessarily his
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  personality. But some of you may have heard that and think, well, this pastor is idolizing President
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  Trump. I'm thinking, okay, do you love a professional athlete? Do you love your favorite NFL
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  teams quarterback? Do you ever say I love so-and-so? Come on, come on now. Let's be real. You know,
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  just because we happened to say I love this guy, I love what he's doing. And he happens to be a
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  politician. You better be careful, friends, with the hypocrisy. And that's just my little
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  two cents. Would you like to clarify anything more about that, Claude?
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  Well, you know, I just, you know, there's a verse in scripture that speaks about the latter days.
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  And it says to be watchful. But then in 1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8, it says, above all else,
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  have a fervent love one another because love covers a multitude of sin. And I think that
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  in the end times there's going to be deception. In the end times, the devil is going to be working
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  overtime to divide us. And I'm not at all insinuating that we should overlook sin. I think you have
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  to deal with sin. I think when someone is acting in a sinful way or even when a nation acts in a
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  sinful way that has a Christian, we're obligated to take a stand and to point that out, right?
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  It tells us in Ephesians 5 11 have nothing to do with the unfuful works of darkness, but rather expose
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  them. And excuse me. But so when I say I love President Trump, it doesn't mean that I ignore his
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  flaws. Amen. That means I embrace him. Look at all he's doing. He's exposing corruption in the
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  government. He's putting things in place to protect Christianity against persecution. I mean,
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  this country has been persecuting Christians ridiculously. He's for freedom of speech.
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  He's holding people accountable who need to be held accountable whether they're foreign
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  people or whether they're domestic. So there's a lot to like. There's a lot that he's doing.
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  He's the first president to actually speak and make his presence known at the life meeting
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  a few years ago. The pro-life march, right? He did that. And JD Vance was there this year.
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  Yeah. And you know, in terms of the Antichrist, one of the things it says that
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  is that in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is that the Antichrist will exalt himself as God, right?
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  Now, when you look at President Trump, you know, he's not shy about taking credit for things,
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  right? Patting himself on the back, right? But he is very distinctively clear on giving credit
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  to God, right? He even said that the Lord was the one that spared him and he feels that he has,
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  he's on a mission to make America great again. And he gives glory to God and look at the inauguration,
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  look at the prayers that were prayed, look at the worship that was held there. You know, the impetus
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  for the book that I wrote on your greatest patriotic duty was a shortly right after he gave
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  his acceptance speech. There was a short video of his supporters breaking out in worship and
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  singing how great that art. And I got to tell you, David, when my wife called me over to watch
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  this and when I did, I was getting a lump in my throat and I was just thinking to myself,
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  oh my goodness, Lord, you're answering our prayers. Look at this. This is not only a political revival.
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  This could lead to a spiritual revival, right? And I think we have a great opportunity
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  before us. If all we do is clear the books and bring the books, balance the books politically
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  and get people in place and things, if all we have is a political victory, then I think we've missed
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  the mark. I think what this is a tremendous opportunity to go beyond that to have a real
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  live, you know, awakening, a great awakening, a revival in our country that hopefully would spread
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  to the world. So friends, how do you respond when people say Trump is the anti-Christ? We're going
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  to get into the nuts and bolts of Pastor Claude's article when we come back on World View Matters.
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  behind the scenes, but it is getting out there regardless. So thank you. Pastor Claude Stoffers
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  with us, the website shepherdofhope.org. So you say that President Trump has repeatedly
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  expressed a favorable attitude towards Christianity. He's a staunch support of Israel.
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  He is the only president to stand at the march of life. He is a protector and
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  proponent of conservative values and appointing Christian nominees, writing the wrongs perpetrated
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  by the previous administration. And he said he wants his legacy to be that of a peacemaker.
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  One more thing and I'll let you respond, Claude. By the way, these are reasons, friends.
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  President Trump could not be the anti-Christ. Anti-Christ is not for sovereign borders or nations,
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  but will rise to rule the world in a globalist system. And Trump famously said in his first
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  term as president, when he was speaking at the UN, America will never be a globalist nation. Go
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  ahead and share more on this, Claude. Well, you know, that's that is one of the main keys,
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  right, that the whole premise, the whole the whole mantras, you know, I hate to use that word,
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  but the whole emblem of the Trump candidacy from the very start has been to make America great
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  again. He's not a globalist at all. I mean, you look at the other previous administrations,
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  the Biden administration, the Obama administration, even going back to a certain extent to Clinton,
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  to the Bushes. I mean, especially now in hindsight, we see, you know, George Bush senior
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  talking about a global, you know, global network. And this is not Trump at all. Trump is not
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  like that at all. He's solely, he's pointing out how the United States has been ripped off
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  internationally. He's calling to account the nations of Europe that they support themselves
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  instead of relying so heavily on America financially and even militarily. He's he wants to be a
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  peacemaker. Jesus said, blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God. So to me,
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  that his whole desire and objective to be known as a peacemaker is evidence that, you know, he,
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  you know, Trump, he everything he says, he doesn't sometimes he speaks. It seems like he's speaking
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  off the cuff, but I think he's very intentional and things that he said says and to say that he
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  wants to be a peacemaker gives me hope that the man is, you know, closer to the Lord than we give
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  him credit for. Mm hmm. I just want to read another quote from a section of your article is Trump
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  the Antichrist and you just wrote this last month. It says, President Trump is not perfect. His
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  mega movement is a political movement that welcomes some groups. I wouldn't, but valing never, never
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  Trump or Trump derangement syndrome sentiments by trying to label him Antichrist or evil is
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  counterproductive to the patriotic good he is trying to accomplish as well as being a pawn of his
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  opposition who actually are globalist establishment players being used by forces of evil or forces
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  of darkness. Please continue along these lines, Claude. Well, you know, we look at, look at his nominees,
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  the nominees that he's chosen, especially someone like a Hegseth, you know, who's, who's, who's,
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  he's not perfect either, but he seems to be a solid Christian. Now Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel,
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  there I believe are, are Hindu, but still they have a strong patriotic fervor and, and, and world
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  view, making that to make America great again. Now the thing I think that we often, you know,
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  miss on or, or get the wrong idea of, you know, we don't elect a pastor. Now the president
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  can serve in pastoral ways when there's a, when there's a crisis like we saw in the Carolinas
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  when the hurricanes hit or when we, or when we see the wildfires and people are losing their homes
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  or when there's some kind of a national catastrophe, there, a president has to have a certain
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  element of, of, of aster in him, of shepherding to take care of the citizens of the country.
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  But he's, for the most part, President Trump is, he's a businessman and he has sought political
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  office, not pastoral office. And so, you know, these are the, these are the things that, that, that,
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  that President Trump is, is, is, is really proving to be an exceptional and extraordinary
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  candidate and president. Unlike we've seen in many of them, just, just to say that he is fulfilling,
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  he's fulfilling his promises. That in and of itself is extraordinary as a president.
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  Yeah, it's not just a slogan promises made promises kept. He's doing it. And his defense usually is,
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  that's what they elected me to do. So the vast majority of people, I mean, I mean, he won the
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  swing states. He turned some blue counties red and even in blue states, it really is astounding why?
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  Because he's pretty transparent. He's, you know, he'll say something. You don't have to guess
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  where he's coming from. This is what he ran on. The border is a huge issue. The economy and,
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  what he's doing now, looking for a waste fraud corruption. This is what he ran on. But I want to
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  share another quote and let you expound. We've got four minutes left. Claude, you said, I do not
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  endorse everything my country does. But I do believe our country is the best country. And I also think
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  we're living in an atmosphere, and you alluded to this earlier, that is very conducive to forwarding
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  the Great Commission. I do believe the Holy Spirit is working and restraining evil in answer to
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  our prayers. Share a little bit more about that because we see that happening.
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  Well, I think, you know, as a Christian, I don't think that you can scripturally support the idea
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  that Christians should be isolationists. I just don't believe that Jesus said to be salt to be
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  light. And I think that our calling from the Lord is to infiltrate society and influence it for
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  the glory of God through the gospel of Jesus Christ. That's what I believe. So I believe that as
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  Christians, if we are isolating and remaining out of politics and out of the public square,
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  I think we're missing a tremendous opportunity, especially now in this present political climate.
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  I think there's tremendous opportunity for us to get involved on local levels, school boards,
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  just local politics, state politics, federal politics. I think that just not just politics,
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  but everywhere we are as Christians, we should be the ambassadors of the Lord.
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  Like it says in 2 Corinthians chapter 5, where it says, we are an ambassadors of the Lord.
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  It says, though, God is calling the lost to be reconciled to him, you know, begging him.
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  I think that's going to be our heart because I do believe we're living in the end times.
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  I do believe the Jesus return is right. He's right at the door. And so time is short.
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  We need to pull out all the stops and start reaching out to the lost like never before.
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  And I think the political climate is conducive to that right now. I think people are starting
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  to listen. They're starting to wake up. They're seeing all this corruption. They're questioning.
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  This is the perfect climate to present the gospel of Jesus Christ and, you know, with a solid
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  apologetic or even a lemic, you know, go on the offensive.
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  Yeah, I mean, look what's happening on some of college campuses. That's very fascinating,
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  especially Ohio State. Now, I'm a Michigan guy, right? But I admire what's going on out of
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  Ohio State. I pulled for their team to win the national championship. And sure enough, they gave
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  glory to Jesus, not just God, not just thank you. We're blessed. God, glory and honor to Jesus,
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  Christ. But I want to share something that I posted last week and we got to wrap this up.
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  Truth must be told. Battles must be fought. Evil must be resisted. The gospel must be proclaimed.
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  Christ must be first. His church must take a stand. Children must be protected. Parents must wake
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  up. Believers must speak up. Demonic agendas must be confronted and exposed. God must be glorified.
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  And we must understand the times and not give up. That's on my personal Facebook page from
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  last week, Claude. Next time we have you on, I will have this book read. And hopefully some in
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  the audience will have picked this up as well. So if you're watching or listening, your greatest
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  patriotic duty by Claude Stoffer, what does it mean to make America truly great? 45 seconds,
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  your closing thoughts, brother. My closing thoughts are be in prayer for our country.
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  Pray for revival. Pray, you know, someone has said the best way to start a revival is to draw
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  circle around yourself and pray for the person inside that circle. I think we need to be praying.
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  I think we need to be in God's word. I think we need to be seeking, seeking the empowerment of the
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  Holy Spirit to use us. However he sees fit and and be bold as a lion, folks. Look, read the book
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  of Daniel and look at Daniel and Meshak, Shadrach, and Embednego, how the Lord used them in a
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  political setting. And he can use us to wherever we are at work, in school, in the public square,
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  in politics. Don't put any restrictions just be used by the Lord to be his ambassador.
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  Perfect ambassadors for Christ not secret agents, brother, to be continued. Good to see you.
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  Thanks for your time. God bless you friends and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that
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  matter.