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Ep. 1161: Leaving Road to Go Gravel with Pro Cyclist Pete Stetina Revisited · Adventure Sports Podcast

• 0:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talk with adventurers from around the globe to bring you the inspiration and motivation you need to get started in the outdoors or to keep you moving if you're already there.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello everyone and happy new year.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is Caleb.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And today's revisited episode,
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  [SPEAKER_04]: we joined Pete Stepna and Mason as they talk about going from road bike racing to gravel bike racing.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Pete was a big-time road cyclist participating in some of the largest road cycling races in the world before he tragically got a life-altering injury, which left Pete's cycling career in shambles.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because of his injury, Pete felt like he needed more stability in his
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  [SPEAKER_04]: and that brought him back to his childhood love of the outdoors and through that he found himself leaving the world of road cycling and discovering the up-and-coming world of gravel cycling.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I hope you enjoy it, here's Mason.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Today we're talking to Pete Stetna.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a former pro-road cyclist, you know, raced in events like the Tour de France, the world tour all those events that are much more popular in Europe, but he was on an American team.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Did really well, you know, you might recognize his name.
• 1:26
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• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a very famous cyclist, but he made this really unprecedented move last year, which was to leave road racing and go into gravel racing, which is pretty crazy in the world of cycling, because gravel is kind of unproven.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot more, as you'll hear from his story, a lot more fun, a lot less, you know,
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it's a lot less serious on the outside, but as people tell you, that's not true when you're racing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But there is, you know, just more fun people are having more fun than if it was what Pete's saying.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So really cool idea.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: definitely stepping out on the limb but unfortunately his first year gravel racing was 2020 and we all know it happened to events so he has still yet to really get out there and do stuff but he's he's he's making an aim for himself in the gravel world and it's been pretty cool to watch and we at athletic brewing have been really really excited to be a part of what he's doing and just be involved.
• 2:35
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• 2:56
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• 3:03
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• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll check in the morning.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But all this to say, it is, it's good to be back.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We're back on Thursdays.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're back on Mondays 2 episodes a week.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like from Mondays episode, they were just crazy amounts of downloads.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a really big day.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think there's a hunger this year to do something.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: To do more adventures to do more micro adventures, which were big proponents of and so I think a lot of Are going to be listening to shows like this to get to get essentially inspiration and ideas and so we're going to try to be feeding that hunger that very positive Positive hunger in your life, so without further ado here is Pete Stetna
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stetna.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it Stetna or Stetina?
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I heard it pronounce both ways actually.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is Stetna.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's my ancestors come from Czechoslovakia and then all the Italians racing in Europe would think it's Stetina.
• 4:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stetina.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, everyone says it that way, but it's Stetna with a silent eye.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Man, you know what I think it was?
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was actually Italian saying it's Stetina.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: One of my research, but anyway, Pete, welcome to the show.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you really talked a little bit before, but you're coming from the Tahoe area.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that home for you or where do you consider home?
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, that's an ongoing conversation.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Technically, the primary resident is Stanorosa, wine country, California, Sonoma County, just north of San Francisco.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great all season riding, vineyards, foodie, wine, oh, craft beer paradise.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I also have a little cabin in Tahoe where I spend most of my warm or most of the summer fall months preparing for the biggest races and that's that's my happy spot so a lot of people think I am full time in Tahoe, but I'm not really a full time resident and either it's yeah looking forward to the constant change a little bit I think so and I just growing up racing.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: every weekend all over the world.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, I definitely have some wanderlust built into my lifestyle and soul.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I get a little antsy if I'm somewhere too long.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got to change it up with fresh scenery and different rides.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So so you mentioned childhood.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: What where did you grow up and you know, it sounds like you got into cycling pretty young.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was kind of, you know, what kind of family did you grow up in super active or or or did you find it kind of on your own?
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I grew up in Boulder, Colorado, so outdoor sports, Mecca, and a kid growing up in this idyllic outdoor community, health-focused, hippie, up-easy society.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And my dad was actually a famous American bike racer back in the 70s and early 80s.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of in my blood, I guess,
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I became that classic talent pipeline development, you know, just picked up and already had kind of a name attached to me even before I started writing.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I found it on my own.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my parents never pushed me into the sport.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually found it through, you know, a soccer buddy.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We were soccer teammates and he was in the mountain bike racing and I joined the local YMCA team and our first big race was this 24 hours of Moab relay race where you, you know,
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: or pros or whoever, you know, throughout the night, 24 hour racing used to be a lot bigger.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of my first four-way, and then once I found the sport and was like, oh my gosh, I like this, and I'm pretty good at this, then my family, you know, had that background to really support me.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How soon was your talent, like a parent?
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was it right away or did you grow into that as well?
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was always pretty evident I was going to be an athlete, you know, I talked to my mom and stuff and she was like, you know, as a kid, like, I had so much energy.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, she would just bring me outside and say, like, I'm going to time you to run around the house, you know, as fast as you can.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would bruise a lap and she'd like, no, that wasn't good enough.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just keep doing it until I was tired.
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the, I was a runner first before I found cycling.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I tried every sport pretty bad with the hand-eye coordination, ball handling skills, but, um, so no basketball.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I tried.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember growing up watching like the Jordan Pippin Rodman Rain at the Bulls and stuff and yeah, but once I found cycling I was invested very fast.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not a lot of basketball, protegease coming out of Boulder, but cycling, now in the other hand.
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, definitely, definitely.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So from there, where you know, what was the kind of climbing through the ranks like for you?
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was it, you know, Boulder is by no means a small pond?
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure not even back then.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you were doing well there, you probably pretty clear you could take that talent somewhere bigger.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, in folder was unique, I have a very different version of folder in my head than many because a lot of people move there to be an elite athlete, right, and they just get in grain with that community immediately, whereas, you know, I grew up with my high school friends and, and, you know, just kind of was that the the sport side of folder was kind of just on the side, but.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was pretty plug and play pretty fast.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was so many pros living in Boulder that, you know, I was immediately picked up by Jonathan Bauder's junior team, right?
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so for anyone who follows pro tours, road cycling, the current EF pro cycling team in the Tour de France and all that.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: started as this little junior amateur team in front range of Colorado in I want to say it was like 2003 you know and every year it kind of grew and so I was like one of the original Colorado members and basically every year they kind of made a step up got bigger sponsors sign bigger names I was just good enough to kind of make the cut so I was very much a grassroots development project of the slipstream organization.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: which is the founding company of the EFT.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was just kind of I stayed with them and then I started getting invited by Team USA to do events in Europe on the side.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just slowly reach to higher level, you graduate out of juniors, you go into the under 23 ranks, and then after you age out of under 23, I was good enough to sign.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the pro tour contract for, again, those who don't follow cycling, the pro tour is kind of like the major leagues of cycling, right?
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the pro tour is the biggest races in the world like the Tour de France and that stuff.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's 18 teams in that, that tier.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I kind of graduated into there in 2010 when I was at my under 23 season.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess, 24.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was the experience of writing on those proteins like that had to feel just crazy like being at the top of kind of the talent pool that early on and I I felt like it was big that I was watching the tour to try or like the tour to France around 2010 when I first started getting interested and it just seemed like he was growing so quickly in popularity
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah and you know it was I was definitely part of that generation with the juniors that came out of watching Lance Armstrong you know because cycling just boom so hard during the Lancer you know as along with Tyler Hamilton lead by life.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a whole host of
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's this, you know, take out, take away the whole dark side of the cycling and doping issue, right?
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's like this decade era of just like Americans at the top of the sport, right?
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and you know, so as a junior growing up in that, like you have all these idols to look up to.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So cycling really exploded that time.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, with Lance retiring, it kind of became the American EDU is like, oh my god, who's our next, you know, who's our next land?
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I never had that quite that amount of pressure.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was another writer by the name of TJ who had a lot more pressure than I did to actually be the next American Lance.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's kind of this whole, we kind of had like this graduating class of guys who were born in the late 80s, you know, from 86 to 89 who were,
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: all quite competitive on the world stage from a very young age, and USA cycling had like this in flux from the lands there to invest in our development too.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was just kind of all the whole-
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: right-time, right-place type of thing, and then, as personally, you made it, when you signed that pro-contract and you're on one of those big teams, that's validation, right?
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's your stamp of approval, which was huge.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the dream that you sacrificed everything for and sacrificed and education and all that.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did that, that game for a decade wouldn't trade it for anything, it's hard, it's cut throat, it's lonely, you know, living out of a suitcase in Europe by yourself all the time, missing family graduations and all that and vacations and, you know, at the same time it's worth it.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did a bunch of world championships, a bunch of grand tours, a tour to Francis, all that, and it was awesome, but then I moved on to make you guys.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, tell us, man, what was you mentioned, you know, something you wouldn't trade, but also very lonely, very challenging.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, how competitive did you have to be?
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, pro cycling is a 24-7 job for 11 months of the year.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have your one-off season after the last race where basically you Check out for a month.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You do home projects.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You drink as much beer as you can fit in the system And then it's step on the tail 31 days later and you say, oh crap, like here, you know, nose to the grindstone, but then the rest of the year.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is It's when your body's your job.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't really
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: do the whole, you know, nine to five thing, like you really just have to, I mean, everything you eat the night before counts towards the next day's training, you know, and stretching after the ride, you know, so you always just have to be fully invested in your body,
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, which is it's hard, you know, it's hard to not, you know, take, you want to take your foot off the gas, but then someone else is pushing just as hard and the sport is cycling being so international, right, like it's all you need is a bike and to prove yourself in a race and you can start to be noticed, especially in Europe, you know, so it's being a global sport like that, I mean,
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's not many other sports where some kid from the farm in Lithuania can compete from some kid in the Boulder Mecca of Colorado, and everyone can kind of prove themselves.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you get noticed, you get a chance.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of people with a lot of hunger out there.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's very true in cycling that you're kind of only as good as your last race.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a pretty cutthroat lifestyle, you know, and if you do sacrifice, you know, I mean, I didn't go to my sister's college graduation in Bellingham, you know, because, you know, I had to, even though I wasn't at a race, you know, I had to be in Europe to not be dealing with jet lag to be ready for the race a week later.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that's hard to miss a lot of those things,
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They realize like, you know, you're pursuing this dream and, you know, when you finally make the tour to France roster or something, you know, it's It's exciting for everybody, but it's it's a very For me, it's it's a very selfish lifestyle.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It encompasses so many aspects of your life, even to
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: the time of season that, you know, we have to plan our wedding, for example, you know, it has to be in the off season when you can't let loose and have a good time.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like all the cyclists are married between like mid-September and mid-November or something, you know, like the same anniversary.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we all hear.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just like, so it's, it's, you have to sacrifice everything.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that's hard.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like I said, it was so worth it,
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: have a life and still be in a lead athlete and still get paid to be a a bike racer.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of what led to the transition a little bit too.
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• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could imagine, you know, and it's interesting, you mentioned it is a selfish lifestyle.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I meet so many athletes that they're not selfish people, but in order to compete at that level, you have to spend so much time thinking about yourself and talking about yourself.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And at a certain point, I can imagine it's like, I'm just tired of thinking about myself.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's true, and you start to feel guilty about certain things, eventually.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some guys don't.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some guys are just happy to do that, and it's a, I think, very traditional, especially in the euro sense.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of guys, they move out of mom's house, and they're racing, and then they immediately meet their girlfriend, future wife, and the girlfriend, basically moves in and starts cooking them dinner and doing everything to prepare for their training and their training camps and their race schedule.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is fine, but it takes that dedication because at the same time you're already sacrificing so much, it's like, you can't succeed in an end or really at that top end if you are only 99% invested, you know, that's why I didn't pursue, you know, higher education to I, you know, in my early under 23 years, I was in college as a freshman and racing full time in Europe and it just you kind of realize like,
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can only do both it 80% 90% and if you're really already like suffering that much like you just have to go all in and see where you can go and at least if it doesn't work out you know you gave it everything but you know when something so hard and such a dream like any press for I think you have to you have to write it out so even if it doesn't work out there's no regrets and if it does work then you know that's that's a dream so.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have that ability.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go for it.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just, yeah, and you have this incredible experience and did so many incredible things and then you transition to gravel and I know an injury was kind of a conduit for that for you.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to do all too much on that because I know you've told that story a thousand times, but yeah.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've made an incredible recovery after what looked like some pretty dark times.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was it like to get back on the bike and tell us about that decision to transition into the gravel world?
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it was, again, just like I kind of talked about, you know, being that junior in the Lancer.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was just, again, it was just this coincidental, right time, right place and just seeing that opportunity and taking it.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't like, you know, I was disillusioned and not fulfilling, you know, any athletic potential.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I did the World Tour for a decade on all the biggest teams.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, as far as I was really concerned, like I had kind of ticked a lot of the boxes.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course, there's a few regrets, you know, but I had, my dreams and gravel outweighed my unchecked list in the World Tour, which is why I made that decision.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what kind of what happened
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: especially last year was this whole new discipline of cycling that was US based and fostered of just this experience of off-road, hard endurance, sitting out there in the nothing is highlighted by this massive party and
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of that marathon style format where you have pros and age group or all together has really exploded and it is the most popular segment of cycling in the US now at the moment and I kind of dabble in a few of the races last season wall still holding my my pro tour contract and it was just this this moment of of
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Enlightenment where I was like, oh my gosh, like this is so big.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I could actually make like a full-time go with this and still like continue to be Competitive but kind of do it on my own terms and have a lot more fun doing it.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of Jumped off off the circus of the world tour and started my own, you know, private tier project in Being a quote unquote gravel pro even if that is a thing but I'm trying to make it a thing
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: what are some things that are that are immediately you notice different about racing in these these events versus kind of the culture of road racing?
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know it's it's still very much it's a party and a community experience first and foremost before it's a race and it's also it's general
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The result is not the end all in BL.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the story in that shared experience, which is powerful and most people are signing up for these things just because it's daunting to finish it.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That said, whenever you give somebody a number plate, like they're going to try harder, like it's still a freaking bike race.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, so there's guys at the front really racing it, but then there's all there's thousands of people doing it for their PR or their personal best and at the end like.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh my gosh, we all did our own journey, but we all did it together.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't really matter if I did this event in six hours and you did it in seven or eight hours.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We went through the same things and to celebrate that together afterwards is really powerful.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then in terms of being a pro doing it, you can kind of use your influence because people are nervous enough about even finishing these things.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if there's a certain,
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: product like a tire that I can highlight saying, you know, like, this is giving me the best chance for success.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think people, you know, I have a platform to really speak to that, that people will listen to.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's the pro template.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you can't sacrifice being that placing before all else instead of, you know, I, people in gravel want to see a person who races bikes.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they want to see a bike racer.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: who's just a person on the side and kind of like, you know, you got to be a personality and fun and and you know and focus on on the big picture a bit more.
• 23:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you know, we're talking about that on that coast coast right about it being more to grow the sport.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You need people that are racing, that are that are gregarious, that are friendly, that are going to be inviting towards the sport versus, you know, there's a lot of sports out there that can feel extremely intimidating to approach somebody to talk to them.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: or to even visit the race you don't feel like you're doing something right even as a spectator but with gravel it does seem more community oriented and I think that's going to be a benefit in the long run for you.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so I think so you know and I'm just I'm having a lot more fun doing it you know there's going to be
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Certain days when I'm writing it on a flat tire or hours behind the winner, and it's going to be just as important to hang out and enjoy the scene and share the stories.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the good thing about beer, that's at the finish of all these events, it's good for celebrating, and it's good for commiserating.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm gonna crack one anyway, and look forward to the next project and the next event and the next gathering of the tribe.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of feedback did you get?
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: What did you hear from folks making the transition?
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was there anyone that was just dumbfounded by it or what was there a lot of support?
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: How was it for you?
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely struck a chord in the cycling world.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was very deliberate on kind of holding my card's close to my chest until I had some backers to support my adventure, but pretty quickly the industry saw it and then once the news dropped out of it,
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people were pretty surprised just because, you know, I'm not of like, this isn't like a retirement tour, whereas, you know, other people who have kind of started dabbling and growl were kind of like, you know, winding it down, just kind of being a promotional face and and, you know, had going on a fun tour and I.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm kind of in the prime of my career physically, so it was very much like a jumping ship kind of feeling and I think it struck a lot of core just because, you know, my story which is true is like, I'm, this is something I love more and I'm striking out on my own for something that speaks true to my heart, even, you know, though it's stepping away from the limelight and the TV stuff and all that.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think a lot of people,
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just like any industry, you know, it's, you know, instead of being an employee, you're starting your own business and, you know, trying to follow your dream.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that was just cycling's version of that.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was overwhelmingly supportive.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely think there's, I mean, cycling in Europe on the road is so traditional.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've had team managers that say, you can't have a beer.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't have long hair.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't have an ear piercing like it doesn't look right.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not professional, right?
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So cycling is so traditional that I think there are,
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of my colleagues are very interested and some are like, oh, Pete's just winding it out.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's just playing bikes now.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a true pro, but, I mean, I can look at my fitness levels and my power files and tell you that's not the case.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You talking about that sounds so much like the journey here at Athletic.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, what's more traditional than beer, you know?
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: it's like it's been thousands of years.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when you diverge off the path to do something really out of the box, but essentially parallel, it's it's just you get all kinds of reactions.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like who who's going to who would do that?
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: and then you're shining a light on this path that you can't see where it goes and it's like it's in your court you've got to make these connections you got to manage a lot more you you said like running your own business I know for you it's it's this whole new path and it has to feel scary exciting all the above oh yeah yeah it's uh the hustle is real it's a lot of work um it's a much more
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: whole athlete, a whole person focused, you know, it's, you know, obligations to different sponsors, whether it's athletic or canyon bikes or Shimano components and, you know, or it's, uh, it's, it's doing my own logistics, my own budgeting around that, whereas as, as a, as a pro athlete, you know, you're literally just handed a bike and you just focus on,
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: your fitness and your body and everything else we're taking care of, so you can just focus on that.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is nice, but it's a very singular and simple pursuit.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, the story is eerily similar, which is kind of fun.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you realize that starting your own brand, right, is
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you stand for and what is your angle?
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you really have to think about that for who you align yourself with and who you wanna have at your back and share your story.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then,
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like the athletics where it was really coincidentally interesting, you know, because it was kind of the same time, you know, you guys have really exploded in the last year and it's just, you know, it is the same story of stepping out of the box like screw tradition like this makes sense like there's there's something here and
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: we got to take it with both hands.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was a great story.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and the funny thing enough is, you know, when I made this move, you know, like being a relatively well-known American cyclist in the pro world, like, you know, the industry sponsors were not difficult.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I actually got a lot of calls, but
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, you guys like, I pursued you like I wanted you guys before you knew who I was.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I read about you guys in a magazine article and I was up here in Tahoe training for the the wealth of Spania, which is the the Tour de France version of Spain, right, three weeks long and all that and, you know, you're weight and you're health and all that matters so much, but you know, I'm definitely, I'm a beer geek, you know, for
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not always the best blend with your fitness.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So actually, I ordered a case year stuff last year.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my god, I can finish my training right.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I go down to the lake and I crack a beer on the lake.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like everybody else enjoying their summer vacation.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I can still keep my weight in check, which is so important and all that.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was my introduction to it.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm really glad that we got to align this year.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a lot of fun.
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now I get a lot of athletic beer in my fridge.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so cool, man.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The, you know, even Bill's story, the founder, you know, career in finance, very traditional, very stable.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of like here's what you do, and here's how you make money, and it's like stepping away from all that.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, it's terrifying, but it's a blank canvas for you in a lot of ways, which can be interesting some days, but I'm sure other days, it's your pump to more than you could ever, uh, ever imagine.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you need the courage is step one and I think the sweat equity and is step two, you know, that's, it takes a lot of work to make make it make a splash, you know, but no, it's, yeah, it's been a great journey and it's actually paid off a lot, especially, you know, with a.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: the pandemic year.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I miss events in the gathering of my tribe more than anyone, but at the same time, it was a really nice year to be able to talk with with you guys and my other sponsors and pivot to alternative concepts and events in lieu of where as traditional racing was just a hard governmental strict lockdown.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're a pro-bike racer, there's no pro-bike racer.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And whereas
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm going to meet up with you guys and tell your right in the mountains and we're going to ride and take pictures on some really scenic stuff.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to go try for a fast thing on some course in the Colorado mountains or whatever.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was hard to reinvent myself twice once with gravel and then immediately after with no racing, what am I going to do?
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, it allowed for a lot of creativity, which was, I think it was a silver lining.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is not the first time you've had to look at something that could be devastating as it's overlining.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, your knee was probably the first big lesson in that.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not what it seems necessarily.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: We hear these kind of stories over and over again, of coming back from recovery, but it's almost like you just don't know until you get through it yourself.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, well, so those who don't know, I just shattered my knee and my leg, you know, really bad crash in Europe in 2015.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it was exploded kneecap, cracked tibia, five ribs, LCL, critical condition in the Spanish hospital for a few weeks, a whole another hour-long podcast on the actual story of getting back to America.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was, a lot of people wrote my career off,
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: some, you know, a doctor said if the bone doesn't heal, right, we're going to amputate it.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was kind of like this whole, I had to relearn to walk, but I was on a contract year.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of had my back against the wall to prove that I deserved to
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: be a pro athlete.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was, it was definitely a tough time and a lot of some introspection and some thinking of what's next besides sport.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I saved my career, you know, resigned with, with a trek at that point and spent four more years in the world tour.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the story.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's documentaries on it if anyone actually wants to.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to be like, hey, there's been some incredible, you know, covering that story and I'm going to push that little listen and it's hugely inspiring.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: If that doesn't prove you've got what it takes to make whatever you want to do happen, I don't know what will man.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got what it takes, so that's incredible.
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I personally value that recovery as my biggest victory in my career.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of, I've had, I answer a lot of questions of,
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know what was your biggest result and you know for it wasn't a win like that was the biggest struggle and fight personally you know of physically I would say and sometimes mentally but you know that was that was what I'm most proud of for me in my career and showing that I could come back um
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then looking forward, I would really actually love to just redo my 2020 calendar because most of the big gravel events didn't get a happen, you know, and I'm pretty optimistic in just that, you know, if if the vaccine stuff is legit and it, you know, corrects all and
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully we can just be back to those 4,000 person events that we all love and brought concerts and all that.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I would love to just get to do my initial jump to gravel that I didn't even get to do.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's plan A, but you always need a plan B right now.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So should things lock down again, I have a bunch of other old projects coming out, silver lining this year was finding
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: the public interest and my personal love of FKTs meaning fastest known times on certain course records very solo and almost spiritual efforts in the middle of nowhere on famous routes.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there'll be more of that regardless.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think events are going to happen.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Marathons like events in the summer in the warm months when when you can gather outside there was an event that got the green light late October and they was a 600% event.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was very nervous about attending, but I wanted to support the organizer because they really put their next out there and they
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: had a pretty robust and thoughtful COVID mitigation strategy and there have been zero reported cases from that event in October.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think at the worst case scenario, if things are like they were this summer when we didn't understand a lot about this whole thing, this pandemic, then I think things can happen in the in the warmest months of the year.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that gives me some hope.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to find a way to make events uncancellable.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Man, Pete, man, he's just shared so many cool things.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he talked about your FKTs.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw you did this thing about funness known times.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember how I saw this and we were getting ready for the coast to coast trip.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, we're going to get, I'm going to get along with this guy.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, talking about having fun more than anything and focusing on that and in a year like this, that's a hell of a good attitude right there.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, Pete and I are going to be friends.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was good.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe you guys can help me with a route out east or something, but you know, the fastest known time is not always the funnest.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're funnest bike rides are going hard sometimes and going for a PR on a certain hill, but there's also there's swimming holes and there's amazing bakeries with this crazy flavored muffin and all the other things that make the adventure so worth it, right?
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm kind of working with a few sponsors to set up a routes in near major populated areas with the hashtag of the funnest known time and we kind of establish a route and teach you those tips and tricks to just have a great day out there in that area.
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, this is a killer ride.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the GPS.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the nuances and the things to look for, whether it's
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: a camel in the mountains of Colorado or a swimming hold in deep and marine county or something.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's been a lot of fun.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, do let's jump in the rapid fire.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know we've kind of gone over time, but I would have to ask.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to answer these one word, just kind of a sentence or two.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, on cool.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, rapid fire number one.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a life motto or a motto that you're kind of currently living out?
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, a happy racer is a fast racer, you know, it's, I think you can look back at our whole conversation and see why I've chosen that.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You jumped on that man.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You knew you knew that.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's in the front of your mind.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's in a lot of pivoting this year.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look at it.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got that in your van somewhere.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a ceiling.
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that's the pipe.
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't move knuckles.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, what are you most curious about right now, outside of,
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I craft beer.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know, that was another reason that we joined forces was I am very much a beer geek and a beer snob at this point, which is not for a lot of.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: lot of pro athletes out there.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I love traveling to different towns and visiting the local tap house and getting a flight or something and exploring the world of craft beer.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably my second favorite passion.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I didn't realize it was that high on your list.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's cool what you hear.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we're like a cheat code for you then because you're too passionate, it's kind of work against each other sometimes.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know exactly.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're doing the map now aren't you?
• 38:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm thinking all right, you know, it's literally working against each other, but that's cool, keeps you sharp.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you answered this, proudest achievement is, you know, recovering from that knee surgery.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: What would you say the proudest achievement is maybe outside of your career altogether?
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: a hard one, you know, just outside of my career, I've been so focused on the world tour honestly.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have to live a singular life for so long.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just family, you know, meeting my wife early and, you know, marrying her early and getting stronger through this pandemic and, you know, we've got, you know, I'm relatively young and I got a, you know, a cabin in Tahoe, which is a dream.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm going to be a little bit more excited.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good lifestyle right now.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Love when folks are in a good spot.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think all my other achievements are through cycling related, like I work with a charity that supports injured athletes, but I can do that because of my position within the cycling community.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to differentiate the two because, like I said before, your job is your lifestyle and cycling.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think that's a good answer, you know, it's different for everybody.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, so tell me this then, what's your biggest goal not yet achieved?
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, um, yeah, just just very small little questions here.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And no, we're getting real philosophical right now.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I would love to.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: This year specifically, my biggest professional goal is to, you know, actually stand on the top step and some of the biggest gravel races, but even more importantly, just help continue to make gravel a very legitimate discipline within cycling.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that includes beyond personal race results that's continuing to
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: make a living being my own boss in my own brand and foster diversity and cycling, whether through people of a different racial background or women's parity and sport.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have a couple irons in the fire in that regard.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, last question and kind of wrap it all up.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do you live without compromise?
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I compromise a lot of things, whether it's an interval or it's a beer that I shouldn't have.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's another motto.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a motto.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good way to live though.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be at 90% 90% of the time.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so I think there is always room for a compromise, but as long as you're 90% at your top, you know, you're always there, you're always professional, whatever it is in life, whether it's your relationship, it's your race goals, it's you know, it's your training, it's your job.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're at 90% there's always, you know, there's 10% of the time you can step it up to like that ultimate peak right for that biggest goal and then, you know, 10, you know,
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of percent of the time you can drop it down and have a great night out with friends and regret it the next day too, like there's got to be room for that flux, right?
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you can kind of keep your baseline at 90 percent, I think you do pretty well.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So actually, I live with a lot of compromises.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, there is a healthy side of compromise.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess the one we talk about is, you know, the negative side like we've we've got we've all got to make decisions that we come to an agreement somewhere.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Pete, man, thanks for joining us.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: This was great.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel like it could be a five hour interview with with just your whole story and everything you've gone through and what you're doing now.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so interesting.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks guys.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm yeah, I happy to be on and I'm waiting for that call when you asked me to make a collaboration beer Hey, I'm ready.
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm self-flugging that one.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, we serve service and emails I have no say in that, but I know who that's But we go cool.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Pete man.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you have a great day and we'll talk soon Sounds good.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: See you all right.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: See you
• 42:27
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• 42:33
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• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can also support us financially through patreon.com slash adventure sports podcast, link is in the show notes.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, if you have an idea of who could be a good guest for the show, we're always looking for people to tell their story about the outdoors or adventure.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you know someone, please reach out, email us at infoedadventuresportspodcast.com and until then, get out there and have some fun.