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  Are you aware of any other reconnaissance platforms that attract or record of the TIC
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  TACs fevers, maybe the nor AD system or any of the others. I
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  am not okay, mister g Thank you for being here, brother, Thank
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  you all very much. Have you faced any retaliation or reprivals for any of
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  your testimony or anything on these lines. I have to be careful what I
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  say in detail because there is an open whistleblower reprisal investigation on my behalf,
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  and I don't want to compromise that investigation by providing anything that may help provide
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  somebody information. But it was very brutal and very unfortunate some of the tactics
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  they used to hurt me, both professionally and personally. To be quite frank,
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  it's very unfortunate. As they say, when you're open the target,
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  that's when they do the most fire and action. Do you have any personal
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  knowledge that people have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal
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  these extra trust technology. Yes, personally, anyone can murder that you would
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  think that you know of. I have to cans that question. Directed opportunities,
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  maybe an honest enough confidential areas gift when we talk about that, but
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  unfortunately we were then access Yeah, and that's very unfortunately listeners last under the
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  water relations to account. Are you say we did not see a marginal honor
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  the try out as something there not saying it was it was not the same
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  object though that you enjoy looking at correctly, you know, we actually choked.
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  I guess that that was communicating with somebody that it was what we were
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  in. And another instance were told about okay, bilders of the jamming gurante
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  you or some of the numerous and people chasing some of those objects that you
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  were spending church into that jamming or interrupt your radar the wedding system. I'm
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  like cr that launched after experience signify jamming the gamy because someone's right exactly,
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  haven't we can't be stamp system? Yes, I did pretty much everybody Philocity
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  that's that's good. Sorry, folks. So, if you've been following
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  the podcast, you are probably anticipating my complete breakdown of the Congressional Oversight hearings
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  on UAPs, and you'd be correct. I'm gonna get into it, but
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  they weren't just about UFOs or UAPs. It's not just about sightings by pilots
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  anymore. There was testimony under oath to retrieved aircraft in fact recovery programs and
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  other nations with exotic aircraft retrieval programs as well, vehicles obstensibly not from the
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  earth, and bodies biologics. That's a new term that they're trying to introduce,
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  along with non human intelligences apparently piloting these craft. But listen very carefully
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  to the language as they roll out these narratives, because I suspect there's gonna
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  be a big switcheroo here pretty soon. And I am going to get into
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  the actual hearings before the House Subcommittee on National Security and what was discussed and
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  more importantly, what was not discussed? You know, did they ever follow
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  up with some of these more sensitive questions in the skiff? Was a skiff
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  ever provided? Because according to the congress person, I forget the guy's name
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  at the moment, they were denied a skiff. Well, who denied the
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  skiff? Okay, skiff. It's an acronym SCIF sensitive Compartmentalized Information facility,
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  and it's a specialized room or building that is completely soundproof, bug proof,
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  EMF shielded like a Faraday cage. No cell phones, no cameras are permitted.
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  You can go in there one on one and discuss these above top secret
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  questions. Then you know if the information is leaked exactly who leaked the information.
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  Right now, the DOJ is fighting Trump over allowing a skiff at mar
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  A Lago so he and his legal team can discuss some of these classified documents
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  thirty two documents, apparently not thirty three thirty two documents that he's accused of
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  mishandling. Well. At several points during these hearings, the witnesses agree to
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  answer certain sensitive questions in a skiff, but there's been no follow up that
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  I'm aware of. So did that happen? Did those conversations happen, you
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  know, the ones about murder? I mean the amount of obfuscation is alarming.
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  Did they have hearings like this during the nine to eleven investigations? What
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  about weapons of mass destruction Benghazi? No, but we have hearings on UFOs
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  and it's get to the skiff. So let's assume then that whatever they're hiding,
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  it has to be big and directly threatens our now national security, and
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  we can make that our starting point. So the official position of NASA and
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  the Pentagon and the Department of Defense is that there is no evidence that any
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  of this is extra terrestrial in nature. They have been willing to admit that
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  there is some sort of phenomenon occurring, but that's where they're at, and
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  they're conspicuously missing from the congressional UFO hearings. We've got the whistleblower testimonies,
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  We've got few members of Congress that are on this oversight committee. And the
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  starting issue is transparency. How transparent or opaque has the government been on this
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  issue? And no question it's been opaque. So who's the head who heads
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  up the Department of Defense right now? Can we look into that, Who
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  is the Secretary of State right now? Who's the head of the at the
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  Pentagon? Why aren't these people subpoena to testify at these hearings if indeed Congress
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  is being left out of the loop. Such a complex issue. So we'll
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  start with and I'm going to go through the hearings. I'm not going to
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  play the entire hearing. I'm going to cut out a lot of the procedural
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  stuff, you know, and get down to the juicy bits, because whether
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  or not you've actually watched it, you can watch the entire hearing from beginning
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  to end if you like, or you can just listen to a breakdown of
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  it. So mister Burchette from Tennessee, I think, basically kicks things off
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  here after the chairman's introduction, and he's seated there with another representative, Miss
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  Luna. And it's interesting to note the people that he thinks here, in
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  other words, his position, and he also mentions the Accidental Truth documentary that
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  I interviewed Ron James about. It's important to note where these individuals line up
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  as far as their level of belief in this extraterrestrial government cover up. And
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  he thanks another representative. A couple more Matt Gates is mentioned, and he
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  also takes note of a few individuals that are there observing, one of which
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  is George Knapp. We know George Napp, he's been in the UFO space,
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  the coast to coast space here for decades now. And Jeremy Corbel,
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  the documentary filmmaker. Now we know these people's position on extraterrestrials. I'm also
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  out there in the crowd, well not the crowd, but the peanut gallery
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  is Louis Elizondo. Christopher Mellon, who was founding member of the To the
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  Stars Academy, okay, and he's been in and out of the government in
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  the intelligence sector under Clinton and George w. So we're familiar with these people's
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  positions on UFOs and then and extraterrestrials. And then the other faction within the
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  UFO disclosure arena would be doctor Stephen Greer and the CE five Protocols and all
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  the documentaries basically saying the government is lying when they say this is a threat
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  to national security, that the UFO Enigma, these these aliens, these extraterrestrials
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  are hostile, They're a threat, and his position is no, we've never
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  had any negative experiences with these beings and you know, actively seeking to contact
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  them and that we could probably learn from them. And so you have these
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  two factions, and the latter not really being represented here at all in these
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  hearings either. So it's important to notice who's missing from the hearings. You
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  know, what's the what's the position that's not being offered as part of this
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  larger discussion that seems to be of such great secrets. See certainly not the
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  Christian the biblical worldview on this that's nowhere to be seen. A big part
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  of this behind the scenes is there is a schism in the government. There
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  are factions within NASA and the DoD and the Air Force, the Navy,
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  okay as far as what they believe, and some of these people do have
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  a Christian viewpoint on this and have given some pushback to the individuals that want
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  to explore this further. You know, they're ready, if they haven't already,
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  you know, to open these portals and see what's on the other side,
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  ready to go. But apparently there are some old school guys in there,
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  high ranking people that have offered some pushback, saying, you know,
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  this is the stuff they were studying from, you know, the Nazis scientists
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  that were brought over after World War Two. Maybe this is kind of,
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  you know, bare minimum unethical. But apparently there are Christians who have a
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  spiritual worldview, a biblical worldview working in the ranks of these departments in the
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  government and in the military, who were saying, you know, this is
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  kind of demonic. Maybe we shouldn't be pursuing this. And why does UFO
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  activity UFO flaps increase in times of conflict going back, you know, eighty
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  years or more. Now at this point, okay, now we have a
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  conflict in Russia and Ukraine. There's other conflicts around the world, of course,
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  but this is more than likely to go nuclear, or the situation in
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  Taiwan. UFOs are in the news almost as much as news out of Ukraine
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  about the status of the war, and equally as shady, depending on who
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  you're listening to. So let's pick up the tail end of mister Burchette here
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  and then go into missus Luna's statement. These folks, they've got nothing to
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  gain from this, and I think you're going to find out that they've endured
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  quite a few slings and arrows, and he's talking about the whistleblowers. The
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  three whistle blowers on the panel here. We need to remember them in our
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  prayers and their families, and I'm thankful them for their honest testimonies. They
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  have done interviews and appeared in documentaries like Accidental Truth to get their stories out
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  there, and now they are all here to testify under oath for Congress.
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  It's been so difficult to get here today. I said, you know,
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  in the Baptist Church, we'd say that the devil's in our way, and
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  the devil has been in our way through this thing. We've run into roadblocks
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  from members from the intelligence community of the Pentagon. I proposed legislation to go
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  in the FAA reauthorization that just said if an airline pilot has a sighting,
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  that when he makes that report to the FAA, that it would come to
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  Congress. But I was told that the intelligence community did not like that,
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  and the bill was the amendment was not even hurt in committee. So this
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  is mister Burchette. He is a Christian. And this is confirmed by Ron
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  James, who I interviewed from Muffon, who did the documentary Accidental Truth.
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  He produced that, and mister Burchette is in the documentary and later on basically
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  confirms that there is sort of a Christian pushback that still exists in the government
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  and in the military and in the intelligence community. So when we say the
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  government is hiding this, and that the government is not just one big,
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  monolithic entity, and I guess we should be thankful that there's a little bit
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  of diversity in thought, that there's competing agendas inside these three letter agencies and
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  government agencies. And I really want to reach out to Nick Redfern and see
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  how he's tracking with the Collins elite and this idea that there's the schism of
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  Christians in the government that are warning against contacting these alien intelligences. And the
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  accidental truth of that interview that I did was Ron James basically confirmed that Louis
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  Elizondo encountered this pushback not necessarily Christian fundamentalist viewpoint, but a biblical viewpoint or
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  a let's just say Christian viewpoint, because you can argue whether it's biblical or
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  not, and most of these Christians default to like these are demons. Aliens
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  are demons, So we shouldn't be doing this. It's probably the default position.
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  I don't think there's any maybe there is any fringe Christians in the military
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  or in the intelligence community. Let's continue with the video. I think it's
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  time for this country to take back our country. We need to tell the
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  folks at the Pentagon they work for us, dad gumut, we don't work
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  for them. And that's exactly the point. This is an issue of government
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  transparency. We can't trust a government that does not trust its people. We're
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  not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing. Sorry to disappoint
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  about half y'all. We're just going to get to the facts, are going
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  to uncover the cover up. And I hope this is just the beginning of
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  many more hearings and more people coming forward about this. And I yield back
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  to remainder of my time. I think is to represent Luna, mister Chairmanders,
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  Yeah, well we'll call them as Luna for hers statement. The circumstances
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  surrounding ups has captivated the intention of the American people for decades, ingranting even
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  the minds of our nation's leaders, from Jimmy Carter to Barack Obama, Hillary
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  Clinton to Donald Trump, Marco Rubio to Chuck Schumer, John Radcliffe to National
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  Security Council officials. Yet from Roswell, New Mexico, to the coast of
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  Jacksonville, Florida, the sidings of UAPs have rarely been explained by the people
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  who have first hit accounts of these situations. This is largely due to the
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  lack of transparency by our own government and the failure of our elected leaders to
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  make good on their promises to release explanations and footage and mountains of overclassified documents
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  that continue to be hidden from the American people. This isn't just how I
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  feel. In fact, the American people largely believe that the government has actively
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  covered up the truth about UAPs. So she says overclassified information, So I'm
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  assuming this to mean she believes some of this information should not be classified.
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  One poll in particular, found that sixty eight percent of Americans believe that the
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  government is hiding information about UAPs and not being honest about what we know about
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  them, And from my personal experience, I believe the same thing. Another
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  poll found that nearly half Americans believe that the federal government is doing a very
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  bad or somewhat bad job of dealing with reports of UFO sidings. As Representative
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  Burchett just reference on the FA bill that just went through. You can tell
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  that that's exactly happening. Considering the thousands of testimonies and videos taken on people's
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  phones and eyewitnesses accounts made by credible witnesses such as doctors, pilots, scientists,
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  and active duty service members, is unacceptable to continue to gaslight Americans into
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  thinking that this is not happening or that the potential of intelligent intelligent life forms
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  exists other than humans. Even more alarming is the fact that these eyewitnesses are
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  many of Time's service members and have no assurance that their lives will not be
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  negatively impacted or even harmed by their experiences. In being an active duty service
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  member working on an airfield. I've had conversations with many pilots where they were
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  in fear of coming forward for retribution and or being taken off flight status.
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  Okay, so we've heard all these arguments before. I like the appeal to
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  the American people. This is Congress, They're supposed to represent the people,
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  and I think they're right about this, and they're getting their information from these
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  polls that have come out recently that indicate most Americans, you know, more
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  than half of the people polled believe the US government is hiding information about UAPs,
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  and even greater percentage of people believe in extraterrestrial life and believe it is
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  visiting Earth and believe that the government is hiding information about it. More people
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  believe in aliens than they do in God these days. If we put some
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  of these polls up against each other, I'm going to skip ahead a little
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  bit to mister Moskowitz, who has some interesting questions, interesting statements to make
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  here before we get to the witness testimony. Unlike other hearings many times in
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  Congress, you're not here to help a political party, but you're here to
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  share information with the American people. And it's not something that is just going
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  on in this administration. It's something that's spanned many administrations. For decades.
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  Many Americans have been fascinated by objects mysterious and unexplained, and it's long past
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  time that they got some answers. The American public has a right to learn
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  about technologies of unknown origins, non human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena. Those
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  are not the words of a UFO Twitter account, though that is a direct
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  quote from Majority leader Chuck Schumer that the American public has a right to learn
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  about technologies of unknown origins, non human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena. In
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  an interview with Fox News, recent former Director of National Intelligence John Radcliffe confirmed
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  the US government is aware a lot more sightings of UAPs and that they have
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  not made that information public. I quote, there are a lot more sightings
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  that have not been made public, Radcliffe said to Fox News. For me,
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  this hearing is about transparency. We unfortunately live in a time in which
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  many people distrust government and our institutions, and over classification of information away from
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  the American public or even Congress contributes to today's politics. The American people have
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  regular questions, what are UAPs? How come the media doesn't report more on
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  them? Are they foreign adversaries? Are the US technology? Are they something
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  else? They ask themselves. How come when a Russian jet shoots flares at
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  one of our drones, we have perfect pictures and videos to show the American
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  people and the world, but when it comes to UAPs nothing. Of course,
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  we must always protect our national security, to maintain our superiority, like
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  when stealth helicopters were only rumored to exist but were used in the Osama Bin
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  Laden raid in twenty and eleven. But we can't allow that to be used
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  as a shield to keep the American people completely in the dark from basic truths.
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  The American people deserve to hear more about special access programs. Congress has
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  a right to know if there's any unsanctioned weapons development satellite imagery that has not
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  been provided to Congress. Congress created the All Domain Resolution Office in the NBAA
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  of twenty twenty two. In its initial analysis, there are one hundred and
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  seventy one uncharacterized UAP reports and this is the words from the report that appear
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  to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities. I believe more information is
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  known about the one hundred and seventy one instances. It's time for Congress to
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  reinsert ourselves. I call on our military leaders and intelligence officials to release more
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  information to the American people about UAPs and to our military leaders. If there's
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  nothing to conceal, let Congress go to write Patterson Air Force Base, the
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  Dugway Proven Ground, or even Groom Lake in Nevada. We should have disclosure
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  today, we should have disclosure tomorrow. The time has come, so these
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  guys. Congress is not in the loop. But he does mention some of
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  these ten testing sites where the military is developing advanced aircraft technologies Wright Patterson air
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  Force Base, Groom Lake, etc. And I don't disagree with his position.
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  I think the American people do need more information about what's going on.
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  I'm an advocate for transparency, but he's sort of answering his own questions when
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  he talks about overclassified information. There's another term overclassified. Well, the reason
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  why information is classified is because somewhere along the line, in the interest of
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  national security, we gave the intelligence community, military intelligence the authority too not
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  only withhold information, research and development of technology from the American people, but
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  also spread disinformation, which I suspect includes stories about aliens and UFOs and have
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  put stuff out there like alien Autopsy to just fuel more questions and speculation.
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  Have you seen Mirage Men, the documentary from like twenty thirteen. Okay,
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  it's about the military having special agents spread this UFO mythology. And I think
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  about all the UFO reports and alien contact reports where you know, some shady
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  government agent or the military is sent out to sort of whitewash the story and
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  gaslight the witnesses and even threatened witnesses. And there's another awesome book that's really
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  hard to find now called Millabs that documents cases where they were engaged in staging
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  alien abductions, you know, all to fortify this belief that alien extraterrestrials are
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  visiting US kidnapping human beings. Okay, And the best lies always have an
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  element of truth to them. It's the specific details that are manipulated to in
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  this case, I think, deflect from the actual technology that's being developed and
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  the actual partnership communication, knowledge transfer that's occurring through the occult operators that are
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  employed in the ranks of the military and government and intelligence and defense contractors big
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  tech. It's not just the government. It's like a fascist conspiracy at the
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  top. Oh, just like Nazi Germany. In other words, why do
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  we think that what started with Project paper Clip and Projects Sign and the Cold
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  War and the space race and the nuclear arms race in the fifties, the
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  sixties, the seventies hasn't changed and continued and advanced in the shadows. It's
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  still going on, but now the psychological warfare aspect of it has elevated,
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  and the nuts and bolts technological side of it has elevated as well, and
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  you have this merging of these occult principles. More and more of these tech
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  wizards and these masterminds are engaging with occult magic, and that's influencing the development
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  of their technology and their contract with the government. You don't think our military,
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  our government is still looking for an advantage against our adversaries, against the
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  Chinese, against the Russians, against whoever. Maybe they've even gone as far
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  as, you know, cloning little bioengineered humanoid biologics to pilot their advanced drones.
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  Maybe. Notice we never really get answers, and I have no reason
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  to believe that we're going to get answers now. They're just giving us some
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  sterilized information here. And notice nobody really cares. It's just a foregone conclusion.
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  Now that aliens are here pretty much, but they don't seem to be
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  causing too much of a stir. It's always in the interest of national security
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  that these things are classified, and it's going to remain classified. Just like
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  he said in his statement, And that's why I land where I land on
• 39:24
  this issue when I say that the government, the military, and these defense
• 39:30
  contractors and big tech are concealing advanced technology. But that's only part of disclosure,
• 39:42
  like true disclosure, that's only half of it. What's the other half?
• 39:49
  Well, that's what we explore on this podcast as a central investigative focus.
• 39:58
  And maybe I'm biased too for how a Christian biblical viewpoint, but much
• 40:02
  of what I do here is unpack and disassemble the deception that's going on here.
• 40:13
  But most people fail to pull back a little bit and see the big
• 40:20
  picture. We're very hyper focused on the whistleblowers themselves, the opposing factions in
• 40:28
  this drama, this little stage show that's being put on for us, the
• 40:34
  Congress, the whistleblowers, and then you've got you know, the Pentagon,
• 40:39
  these microdosing tech wizards and creating this narrative that just has us all on the
• 40:53
  edge of our seats. Okay, if we want real disclosure and this whole
• 40:59
  thing isn't a big charade, then why is no one suggesting that we make
• 41:05
  legislative changes to the National Security Act that goes all the way back to nineteen
• 41:13
  forty seven that was signed into law by Harry Truman. Okay, this created
• 41:20
  the CIA and the Department of Defense. Okay, and this is significant because
• 41:30
  this is leading right into the Cold War, and it concerned aerospace technologies,
• 41:40
  advanced weapons. Okay, the cult of the super weapon within our own government,
• 41:51
  which incidentally ties us back to Operation paper Clip. All right, let's
• 42:00
  continue now I've skipped past the witness's introductory statements. Basically, if I were
• 42:07
  to summarize what came out of that, the main complaint is that there's no
• 42:15
  uniform system for reporting UAPs, and also they all expressed the safety and security
• 42:25
  risk that these unidentified aerial phenomena represent. You, based off of each of
• 42:37
  your experiences and observations, do you believe UAPs pose a potential threat to our
• 42:42
  national security? Yes? And here's why. The technology that we faced was
• 42:52
  far superior than anything that we had, and you could put that anywhere if
• 42:57
  you had one, you captured one, first engineered that, you got it
• 43:00
  to work. You're talking something that can go into space, go someplace,
• 43:05
  drop down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants, and leave,
• 43:08
  and there's nothing we can do about it. Nothing so this is Commander
• 43:15
  David Fraverer, retired US Navy pilot, and they each chime in on this
• 43:23
  question. Okay, the other YouTube. I would also like to add from
• 43:29
  commercial aviation and military aviation perspective, we deal with uncertainty in our operating space
• 43:34
  as a matter of our professional actions. Identifying friend from foe is very important
• 43:39
  to us, and so when we have unidentified targets and we continue to ignore
• 43:45
  those due to a stigmare or fear of what it could be, that's an
• 43:47
  opening that our adversaries can take advantage of. What steps should be taken to
• 43:52
  better understand and respond to you ap and coners. In the interest of national
• 43:54
  security, there needs to be a location where this information is centralized for processing,
• 44:00
  and there needs to be a two way communication loop so the operators on
• 44:02
  the front end have a feedback and can get best practices on how to process
• 44:07
  information, what to do, and to ensure that they they're reporting is being
• 44:13
  listened to. Right now, there's not a lot of back and forth.
• 44:15
  Mister Gush and your complaint to the intelligence community, inspector you, inspector general,
• 44:21
  you claim that you believe information is being hidden. What kind of information
• 44:23
  do you think was hidden and do you think it should remain hidden? Yes,
• 44:28
  I could speak to that very briefly, non classified manner. As you
• 44:30
  know, the preponderance of my complaint was classified to the intelligence communities, both
• 44:36
  material acquisition and exploitation activity, also baselining the UAPs, but not sharing it
• 44:43
  with you know, intelligence professionals that are actually doing step briefs to pilots that
• 44:47
  kind of information. Yeah, okay, So first you heard Ryan Graves there,
• 44:52
  one of the witnesses. He's an F eighteen Navy pilot. And then
• 44:59
  you heard David Grush, who served as an intelligence officer both with the US
• 45:06
  Air Force and then later with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. So skipping ahead
• 45:15
  a little bit here again, this is mister Garcia. He's a ranking member
• 45:21
  of the committee. Let's hear what he has to say briefly. I also
• 45:25
  just want to note, for particularly for the two palaces and of a question
• 45:30
  from a sh Rush, one of the things that I found fascinating in our
• 45:31
  discussion mister Graves last night as well, is that you've both described UAPs and
• 45:37
  formations and the way they they are observed in space or or in our air
• 45:43
  and the way that they move is essentially ways in which current technology aircraft that
• 45:47
  we know of are unable to actually function or move. And so will you
• 45:52
  just for the public record again once once again, just briefly, just either
• 45:58
  describe or know that aircraft that will being witnessed, particularly by the thirty folks
• 46:01
  that you're working with, are essentially outside the scope of anything that we know
• 46:06
  of today and the technology we have today, mister Graves, mister Favor,
• 46:09
  Yes, the objects that are being seen by commercial pilots are performing maneuvers that
• 46:15
  are unexplainable due to our understanding of our technology and our capabilities as a country.
• 46:19
  And that applies for the military as well, mister Fair Yeah, I
• 46:22
  concur with that we have nothing that can stop admit air and go the other
• 46:25
  direction, nor do we have anything that can, like in our situation,
• 46:30
  come down from space, hang out for three hours and go back up.
• 46:31
  Thank you my last question, and sometimes I know that you have also said
• 46:36
  some of these answers in the past. We're trying to get them on the
• 46:37
  public record as well, which is really important. Mister Gresh. Finally,
• 46:40
  do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? Absolutely? Based
• 46:45
  on interviewing over forty witnesses over four years, and where I know the exact
• 46:51
  locations, and those locations were provided to the Inspector General and some of which
• 46:55
  to the intelligence committees. I actually had the people with the first hand knowledge
• 47:00
  provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General. Now I'm not a Navy pilot,
• 47:06
  I'm not an Air Force pilot. I don't know anything about aeronautics,
• 47:13
  but I've seen commercially available drones do some pretty wild maneuvers, you know,
• 47:21
  even these quad copter drones that you can buy a Walmart. They can hover,
• 47:29
  they can go straight up and down, they can stop on a dime,
• 47:32
  they can stop and do ninety degree maneuvers. Now, I'm not saying
• 47:38
  the things that are being observed here are drones necessarily, but I don't think
• 47:46
  the technology that they're describing necessarily has to be extraterrestrial or otherworldly. It's just
• 47:55
  very advanced. It's not possible that we have have very advanced drones that can
• 48:01
  drop down from eighty thousand feet is basically in space, and then hover and
• 48:09
  then go straight back up. I think it's definitely within the realm of possibilities
• 48:15
  that we have experimental advanced aircraft that can do some of these kind of maneuvers,
• 48:25
  and of course if we do, it's going to be kept secret.
• 48:31
  And the other thing here, mister Graves asks David Grush if we are in
• 48:42
  possession of UAPs, to which he confers, yes, we are, and
• 48:50
  I know exactly where they are, and that information was classified and given to
• 48:58
  the Inspector General of the entire diligence community. How can you be in possession
• 49:05
  of an unidentified aerial phenomena? In other words, he didn't ask if we
• 49:13
  had if we were in possession of advanced exotic aerospace vehicles. He said,
• 49:20
  are we in possession of UAPs? You can't be in possession of a phenomena.
• 49:28
  A phenomena is something that's observed. If we're in possession of it,
• 49:31
  it's not unidentified. Are we to believe that we're in possession of these vehicles
• 49:37
  and we don't know what they are, where they come from? Nonsense?
• 49:44
  You know. Doing all this research on UFOs and disclosure, I've really been
• 49:52
  thinking like I need to write a book, and I'm thinking about calling it
• 49:59
  identified because for the entire history of this phenomenon. It's always been unidentified,
• 50:07
  unidentified, unidentified flying objects, unidentified, aerial phenomenon, unidentified what is it.
• 50:15
  It's not aerial phenomenon anymore. It's unidentified anomalous phenomenon. So now it
• 50:22
  no longer needs to even be in the air. You know, these can
• 50:25
  be unidentified phenomena in the water. And in fact, some of the tic
• 50:34
  TACs were disrupting the water. We're causing white water in the ocean, and
• 50:42
  some of them have been observed entering the ocean and re emerging and then flying
• 50:46
  up into space. Yeah, pretty advanced, but I think we're to the
• 50:51
  point where we can start to identify some of these things. I call it
• 50:57
  identified, just to piss off a lot of UFO people. Thank you for
• 51:02
  those great questions. Mister Graves. Again, I'd like to know, how
• 51:10
  do you know that these were not our aircraft? Some of the behaviors that
• 51:15
  we saw in a working area, we would see these objects being at zero
• 51:21
  point zero mock. That's zero air speed over certain pieces of the ground.
• 51:25
  So what that means, Just like a river, if you throw a bobber
• 51:28
  in, it's going to float downstream. These objects were saying completely stationary and
• 51:31
  category four hurricane wins. These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds one
• 51:37
  point one, one point two mack, and they would do so in very
• 51:40
  erratic and quick behaviors that we don't I don't have an explanation for. Okay,
• 51:45
  have you spoken to commercial and military pilots that have seen these off of
• 51:50
  our East coast a half? Okay, mister Friver, I noticed that.
• 52:00
  And the tic TAC video it's tic tac like the candy, not TikTok like
• 52:06
  the Chinese communist app. That's correct, Yes, sir. I just want
• 52:09
  to make that boo because my daughter corrected me on that and called me a
• 52:16
  boomer and say boomer and I said, no, baby, it's tic tac
• 52:20
  like the candy. You're gonna have to just look it up. Burchette's just
• 52:23
  full of jokes, this guy, it's a favor. What astonished you the
• 52:30
  most about the flat capabilities of these tic tac very briefly, the performance,
• 52:37
  absolute performance. It was And you're not aware of any other objects that anybody
• 52:43
  in the world has in this world that has those capabilities. No, I
• 52:46
  think it's far beyond actually our material science that we currently possess. Are you
• 52:52
  aware of any other reconnaissance platforms that attractor recorded the tic TAC's maneuvers, maybe
• 52:57
  the nora AD system or any of the others. I am not now.
• 53:00
  I don't want to diminish these witnesses testimonies as far as what they've observed or
• 53:09
  the encounters that they've collected from other pilots, both commercial and military. As
• 53:17
  far as the capabilities of these craft, I think it's extraordinary what they've described,
• 53:27
  that these things are able to do, and that's the precise reason why
• 53:32
  they've not been shown it. It's not been revealed to them. But I
• 53:37
  do think it's a technology that we have achieved, and I don't automatically jump
• 53:46
  to the extraterrestrial alien explanation for this. Human beings have accomplished great technological feats
• 53:57
  even in the very distant past that archaeologists can't explain today. And if we
• 54:06
  can see drones, do you know amazing maneuvers? Then you know the billions
• 54:15
  trillions of dollars that they've pumped into these black projects and also receiving knowledge science,
• 54:28
  physics, mathematics from alien intelligences. You know, there's no telling what
• 54:34
  we've been able to manufacture. It's like the other argument with the materials that
• 54:42
  Avi Lobe had these metals with these strange ionic configurations. Well, their conclusion
• 54:52
  was, well, this isn't naturally found on the Earth, therefore it's from
• 55:00
  outer space. Well, I'm sure we've figured out a process to change the
• 55:07
  ionic structure of certain metals. I mean that technology seems within our grasp potentially.
• 55:19
  Again, advances like this, though, are going to be kept secret
• 55:24
  to keep our enemies guessing. Like with Iran, no one's really sure if
• 55:34
  they have nuclear capability, the capability to produce nuclear weapons and deliver them.
• 55:40
  It's a mystery because they won't let the inspectors in to take a look.
• 55:45
  The technology is hidden because it gives them a tactical advantage. Now, this
• 55:52
  is mister Raskin, mister Doragman here asking the questions. Now listen to mister
• 56:00
  graves response. This is Ryan Graves responding to this question. Very interesting,
• 56:07
  All right, can you describe your experience after you decided to come forward and
• 56:12
  go public with your experience? Certainly, like many others in twenty seventeen,
• 56:19
  I saw the New York Times article come out as well, and for me,
• 56:22
  it was so he's talking about the initial tic tac UFO article that was
• 56:31
  put out by the New York Times, Leslie Keene Ralph Blumenthal, who have
• 56:37
  been in this UFO space for a long time. It was special because I
• 56:43
  recognized the voices on the video. I recognized the video itself. I had
• 56:46
  seen it when it was taken, I seen it when it was debriefed,
• 56:50
  and so that was kind of shook me because I realized that this problem was
• 56:53
  still ongoing, and so I reached out with the colleagues back on the East
• 56:57
  Coast and realized that this was still a safety risk that they were dealing with,
• 57:00
  that they had essentially hit a wall with how they could move forward on
• 57:02
  this conversation. It was at that point when I decided to try to move
• 57:06
  the conversation forward myself. So he hit a wall basically, and was that
• 57:12
  wall like the walls of the Pentagon of the Department of Defense. Apparently that's
• 57:21
  who we really need to have a representative sitting down and testifying during these hearings.
• 57:30
  And I suspect it's this same contingency that's denying the access to the skiff
• 57:39
  for them to discuss this above top secret information. Now listen to this.
• 57:49
  Are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been cited by different pilots and
• 57:53
  can you describe what the convergence of descriptions is. Certainly we were primary seeing
• 58:00
  dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere. I'm sorry, dark
• 58:04
  gray or black cubes, yes, inside of a clear sphere where the apex
• 58:08
  or tips of the cube were touching the inside of that sphere. And that
• 58:12
  was primarily what was being reported when we were able to gain a visual tallity
• 58:15
  of the these objects. That occurred over almost eight years, and as far
• 58:21
  as I know, it's still occurred. So I take it that you're arguing
• 58:28
  what we need is real transparency in a reporting system. Yeah. He didn't
• 58:32
  really know how to respond to that, and I don't really know how to
• 58:36
  respond to that either. It's not a common UFO configuration that we hear a
• 58:43
  lot about a cube inside a sphere. Not only that, but dark gray
• 58:47
  or black cube inside a sphere, and these have apparently multiple reports of these.
• 58:55
  There have been reports of black cubes also, orbs and spherical objects have
• 59:01
  been reported, but this is very specific and apparently widespread. If we're to
• 59:07
  believe the reporting. Now, we've talked about black cubes on this show before,
• 59:14
  and you know the saturn symbolism that's associated with that. I just felt
• 59:22
  that was interesting. Let's skip ahead a little bit further here, and what
• 59:28
  is your general interpretation of these phenomena or what is your current thinking of trying
• 59:37
  to make sense of them. Well, I'll say, you know, I'm
• 59:40
  not like a UFO fanatic, It's not me, but i will tell you
• 59:45
  that what we saw with four sets of eyes over a five minute period,
• 59:51
  still there's nothing we have, nothing close to it. It was it was
• 59:53
  amazing to see. I told my buddy I wanted to fly it. But
• 59:57
  it's just an incredible technology. So one of the arguments that we hear as
• 1:00:05
  far as the maneuvering capabilities of these unidentified craft is that human beings wouldn't be
• 1:00:14
  able to fly them because of the g force effects on the human body.
• 1:00:22
  But I've rarely heard anyone interject the possibility that these things are not piloted by
• 1:00:30
  human beings, They're not piloted by any kind of biologic, any kind of
• 1:00:37
  organic creature. They could be completely remote controlled like a drone. Then you
• 1:00:45
  don't have to worry about the gravitational you know, g force effects on the
• 1:00:50
  human body when you make a ninety degree shift in direction, you know,
• 1:00:55
  going at mock Ie or whatever. So that was frav again answering that set
• 1:01:02
  of questions. Now we're going to go again to missus Luna for the next
• 1:01:07
  set of questioning. Now she asked a very pointed question here, and this
• 1:01:14
  kind of gets passed over because grush doesn't really have an answer. But I
• 1:01:19
  think personally this is key. Mister grush In speaking to you yesterday, I
• 1:01:28
  just wanted to follow up on Representative Raskin's questions. In the last couple of
• 1:01:35
  years, have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for
• 1:01:38
  your life for addressing these issues? Yes. Personally, I just want everyone
• 1:01:45
  to note that he's coming forward in fear of his life, to put in
• 1:01:49
  perspective if they were really not scared about this information coming out, why would
• 1:01:52
  someone be intimidated like that? To your knowledge, our NHI is working with
• 1:01:58
  adversarial foreign governments in either technology exchange programs or back engineering programs. I don't
• 1:02:04
  have data on that. I'm not sure. Have you heard or you had
• 1:02:07
  people come forward to present that evidence, not that particular evidence that you just
• 1:02:13
  expoused, So NHI again non human intelligence. She asks if any foreign or
• 1:02:22
  adversarial governments are working with NHIS to back engineer this technology, to which he
• 1:02:29
  responds, I don't have any data on that. What she doesn't ask is
• 1:02:35
  if our own government has been working with NHIS to back engineer this technology.
• 1:02:43
  I think that should have been asked too, and would actually be for mister
• 1:02:49
  Graves. Can you please explain to me in detail the event that occurred at
• 1:02:54
  Vanderberg Air Force Base. Certainly in the two thousand and three time frame,
• 1:03:01
  A large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at
• 1:03:06
  Vannerberg Air Force Base when they observed a very large, one hundred yard sided
• 1:03:12
  red square approached the base from the ocean and hover at low altitude over one
• 1:03:17
  of the launch facilities. This object remained for about forty five seconds or so
• 1:03:22
  before darting off over the mountains. There was a similar event within twenty four
• 1:03:28
  hours later in the evening. This was a morning event, I believe eight
• 1:03:31
  forty five in the morning. Later in the evening, post sunset, there
• 1:03:36
  were reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors. These objects
• 1:03:40
  were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off. And
• 1:03:45
  this is information that was received through one of the witnesses that have approached me
• 1:03:50
  at Americans for say Faraoh Space. So now here's what we might call an
• 1:03:54
  actual UAP one hundred yard long red square. He says, not a cube,
• 1:04:04
  but a square. So we're we talking about a two dimensional object hovering
• 1:04:11
  over the Air Force base here and then also later the next morning, these
• 1:04:17
  objects flying aggressively at security personnel. And so this is a witness report.
• 1:04:26
  Mister Graves didn't witness this personally, and this is a pattern, with the
• 1:04:31
  exception of Fraver who did witness the tic TAC. These guys didn't witness this.
• 1:04:38
  They're just collecting reports from other people. But some very interesting descriptions of
• 1:04:46
  what I would refer to as an actual UAP, an unidentified aerial phenomena,
• 1:04:53
  because nobody really has a conception for an aerospace vehicle, a ship, an
• 1:05:00
  aircraft of any kind that massive and just red. Okay, now let's go
• 1:05:09
  back to Moscowitz, who asks another round of questions. Gentlemen, let's talk
• 1:05:15
  about the laws of physics for a second. Mister Graves and Commander Favor,
• 1:05:20
  I heard you talk about speed. When those objects broke the sound barrier,
• 1:05:28
  did they make a sonic boom? That was in a jet? You can't
• 1:05:31
  hear anything, it's kind of allowed in there. Yeah, you're not able
• 1:05:35
  to actually personally tell within the vehicle. I will say the objects that we
• 1:05:39
  were seeing there were sphericle and they were observed up the mock two, which
• 1:05:43
  is a very non aerodynamic shape. What about G forces, Let's talk about
• 1:05:46
  G forces of those vehicles. Could a human survive those G forces with known
• 1:05:50
  technology today? No? No, not for the acceleration race that we observed.
• 1:05:55
  Okay, what about what they look like? How close did you get?
• 1:05:59
  Did you see a seam or a rivet or a section? And what
• 1:06:02
  I mean is obviously the jets you're flying have all those things. Did these
• 1:06:06
  objects have those? Do you want to go around? I didn't. I
• 1:06:11
  didn't have the detail to be able to tell that. So we got within
• 1:06:14
  a half mile. It's ticktack, which people say that's pretty far, but
• 1:06:16
  in airplanes that's actually relatively close. No, it was perfectly white, smooth,
• 1:06:20
  no windows, although and we did take the original Fleer video that is
• 1:06:25
  out there. When you put it on a big screen, it actually had
• 1:06:28
  two little objects that came out of the bottom of it. But other than
• 1:06:30
  that, no, no windows, no seams, no nothing, mister Grush,
• 1:06:33
  As a result of your previous government work, have you met with people
• 1:06:36
  with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of non human origin craft? Yes,
• 1:06:43
  I personally interviewed those individuals, mister Grush. As a result of your
• 1:06:46
  previous government work, have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct
• 1:06:49
  knowledge yourself about AT's advanced technologies that the US government has based on conventional advanced
• 1:06:59
  tech? I was brief to the preponderance of the dependence departments both Space and
• 1:07:03
  aerospace, Compartment of programs. Do you have knowledge or do you have reason
• 1:07:09
  to believe that there are programs in the advanced tech space that are unsanctioned?
• 1:07:15
  Yes, I do. Okay, yeah, And when you say that they're
• 1:07:17
  above congressional oversight, what do you mean? A complicated question? So there's
• 1:07:25
  you know, some I would call it abuse here, so congressional oversight of
• 1:07:29
  conventional special access programs. So I'll use title ten so dood as an example.
• 1:07:33
  Right. So ten US Code Section one nineteen discusses congressional oversight of SAPs,
• 1:07:39
  discusses the depth sect DEFs ability to wave congressional reporting. However, the
• 1:07:45
  Gang of Eight is at least supposed to be notified. If you know,
• 1:07:47
  a waved or wave bigoted an acknowledged SAP is created and that's public law.
• 1:07:51
  Well, so that how does I mean I don't want to cut you off,
• 1:07:54
  but how does a program like that get funded? I will give you
• 1:07:59
  generalities like get very specific in a closed session, but a misappropriation of funds?
• 1:08:03
  And does that mean? Does that mean that there is money in the
• 1:08:08
  budget that is set to go to a program but it doesn't and it goes
• 1:08:11
  to something else? Yes, have specific knowledge of that. Yep. Do
• 1:08:13
  you think US corporations are overcharging for certain tech they're selling to the US government
• 1:08:18
  and that additional money is going to programs? Correct? For something called I
• 1:08:23
  read? Okay? So another very important in my opinion, round of questions
• 1:08:30
  here from Moskowitz about the nature of these programs. And he's talking about SAPs
• 1:08:39
  or special access programs, certain ones which are considered conventional at advanced technology programs
• 1:08:49
  that Congress is in the loop, about thet He talks about the Gang of
• 1:08:53
  Eight, which are individuals that are required by law to be notified of these
• 1:08:58
  programs, these top secret programs, and then suggesting that there's a level above
• 1:09:04
  congressional oversight where the really advanced stuff is happening, and I believe that's where
• 1:09:12
  the quote unquote extraterrestrial alien contact is occurring and technology is being developed. And
• 1:09:25
  he also asked some important questions about physics again, like you know, could
• 1:09:30
  a human being survive these sort of maneuvers And the consensus of the witnesses is
• 1:09:38
  no, But that doesn't mean that these things have to be piloted by human
• 1:09:44
  beings. As far as these types of high speed maneuvers, it's beyond the
• 1:09:51
  scope of anything that these pilots, these witnesses are aware of, as far
• 1:10:00
  as technology that we possess or that our adversaries possess. So anyways, let's
• 1:10:09
  get down to the So let me just try to explain this because there's a
• 1:10:15
  fork in the road here, and we're halfway through the proceedings here, and
• 1:10:25
  they're asking a lot of important questions, but there's still an unknown here,
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  and I can see that I'm speculating here. And I've talked about this many
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  times, many many times. We're being led to believe that because these aerospace
• 1:10:48
  vehicles, these UAPs, demonstrate these sort of flight characteristics that are beyond what
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  we believe leave our technology to be capable of either ourselves or our adversaries,
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  that this must mean that this is technology from aliens from another world. The
• 1:11:15
  reason this is tricky is because that's partially correct. But they're not flying here
• 1:11:24
  from other planets and crashing their spaceships on planet Earth, and then we're sending
• 1:11:30
  out a reconnaissance team to collect the materials, studying it and figuring out how
• 1:11:38
  to make these things. That's what we're being led to believe, and that
• 1:11:42
  you know, the government's covering this up. But I think they're covering up
• 1:11:46
  something else. And when they go to such great lengths to cover up this
• 1:11:54
  sort of information for decades and decades we've been going through this office, it's
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  probably because they're engaged in behavior that's considered immoral. That's why things are covered
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  up. I mean, wouldn't they just love to show off their experimental aircraft
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  to the Russians and the Chinese. We don't have a national security risk.
• 1:12:21
  There, we're demonstrating our tactical superiority unless it's known that our adversaries are also
• 1:12:32
  developing this sort of advanced aircraft. This's advanced technology. Now, if we
• 1:12:45
  were in communication with non human intelligences that aren't necessarily from other planets, but
• 1:12:56
  are from right here on the planet Earth, or the local vicinity of Earth,
• 1:13:01
  or the vicinity of Earth in another dimension, and if they're using occult
• 1:13:10
  means to contact these intelligences, and if these intelligences we're trying to bargain with
• 1:13:21
  us, and if this is some sort of unholy arrangement that we've made with
• 1:13:30
  these intelligences, then I see motivation for a long term, very complex,
• 1:13:40
  very shadowy cover up filled with disinformation because we're trying to obscure the truth.
• 1:13:48
  We're not trying to get to the bottom of the truth here, at least
• 1:13:51
  the Pentagon and the DoD isn't Congress. May be, these whistleblowers, may
• 1:13:58
  be they're like, what's goinging on. This can't be denied anymore. Our
• 1:14:01
  pilots are seeing these things, and that's all that they're willing to admit.
• 1:14:06
  So next up, mister Grush, here fields a lot of these questions by
• 1:14:14
  stating that he can't go into any further detail other than what he's already stated
• 1:14:19
  in his News Nation interview, which we covered, or the information that he's
• 1:14:27
  provided to the Inspector General, specifically concerning whether there has been a disinformation campaign
• 1:14:39
  to detract from the existence of extraterrestrials. He likes to use the term non
• 1:14:45
  human intelligence. This is where everything gets deferred to. Well, I can
• 1:14:50
  discuss some of that if we have a skiff, and of course they're denied
• 1:14:56
  the skiff, even though by law they're allowed to be in the loop of
• 1:15:02
  this information. So they're asking him, is there something here above top secret?
• 1:15:10
  But see, you're poking at something that you're never going to puncture,
• 1:15:15
  and it's set up that way. So we're having some form of disclosure here,
• 1:15:23
  but it's not full disclosure. It's not full disclosure because we don't have
• 1:15:28
  the appropriate members within the Pentagon, the Department of Defense, and these aerospace
• 1:15:38
  contractors sitting down here and giving their testimony. And maybe I'm being kind of
• 1:15:47
  redundant here, but it's the questions that we don't have answers to that really
• 1:15:56
  clue us in onto what's going on here because we keep running into this wall.
• 1:16:03
  What's on the other side of that wall? Well, maybe AOC can
• 1:16:09
  shed some light on this. She's part of this committee also and she has
• 1:16:13
  a question, which, to her credit, I think it's an important question.
• 1:16:18
  Mister Crush, you sat on the Unidentified Anomalist Phenomenon task Force created in
• 1:16:24
  the twenty twenty NDAA. Correct. Yes, there have been some things that
• 1:16:29
  have been mentioned here during this hearing that I wanted to pick up on.
• 1:16:32
  Mister Graves. You mentioned specifically during the answer to one of your questions,
• 1:16:36
  you named Boeing contractors being engaged in an incident regarding this red cube about a
• 1:16:44
  football a football field. WI. I was wondering if you could speak a
• 1:16:47
  little bit about the interaction, or mister Grush, either of you, the
• 1:16:51
  interactions between defense contractor companies and any UAP related programs or activities. So I'll
• 1:16:59
  just say that they about the contractor himself were provided by a witness, and
• 1:17:02
  I have no particular retail in that relationship. Misters, the kind of general
• 1:17:08
  unclass wavetops. Certainly the contractors you know are the metal venders, so to
• 1:17:12
  speak, the ones actually doing specific performance on government contracts. Are they required
• 1:17:18
  to issue any disclosure regarding UAP sightings or do they engage in any reporting around
• 1:17:25
  this in terms of the contractors, not that I'm aware of, they do
• 1:17:28
  not. Okay, Now, when it comes to notification that you had mentioned
• 1:17:33
  about, I wrap I read programs. We have seen defense contractors abuse their
• 1:17:43
  contracts before through this committee. I have seen it personally, and I have
• 1:17:47
  also seen the notification requirements to Congress abused. I am wondering one of the
• 1:17:55
  loopholes that we see in the law is that there is, at least from
• 1:17:58
  my vantage point, is that depending on what we're seeing, is that there
• 1:18:01
  are no actual definitions or requirements for notification. Are there? What methods of
• 1:18:09
  notification did you observe, Like when they say they notified Congress, how did
• 1:18:14
  they do that? Do you have insight into that? For certain I RAD
• 1:18:17
  activities and I can only think of ones conventional in nature. Sometimes they flow
• 1:18:25
  through certain how to say, SAP programs that have cognizant authority over the Air
• 1:18:30
  Force or something, and those are congressionally reported compartments. But I reads literally
• 1:18:35
  internal to the contractors. So as long as it's money, either profits,
• 1:18:40
  private investment, accession or whatever they want to put a finer point on it.
• 1:18:44
  When there is a requirement for any agency or company to notify or any
• 1:18:48
  agency to notify Congress, do they contact the chairman of a committee? Do
• 1:18:54
  they get them on the phone? Specifically? Is this through an email to
• 1:18:57
  hypothetically a dead email. A lot of it comes through what they call the
• 1:19:02
  PPR Periodic Program Review process if it's a SAP or controlled access program equity,
• 1:19:09
  and then those go to the specific committees, whether it be the SaaS CASK.
• 1:19:12
  I see, thank you, I apologize, I just my time is
• 1:19:15
  limited, mister Graves. One of your main concerns that the FAA currently does
• 1:19:20
  not have an official process to receive reports of UAP from pilots or others.
• 1:19:25
  Correct. Correct, And in your experience, what data should the aero program
• 1:19:30
  prioritize for now? I'm not really sure what she's getting at here. I
• 1:19:34
  mean, it would be kind of silly to expect the defense contractors to be
• 1:19:42
  engaged in UAP reporting or all of a sudden they get this contract from the
• 1:19:46
  Department of Defense to develop such and such and then we're like, hey,
• 1:19:51
  wait a minute, this is alien stuff. We better report this to Congress.
• 1:19:58
  No, they're a private corporation. They do whatever they want. I
• 1:20:01
  think that's a foregone conclusion, a sort of unspoken agreement that this is top
• 1:20:08
  secret work. For the record, If you were me, where would you
• 1:20:16
  look titles, programs, departments, regions, if you could just name anything,
• 1:20:27
  And I put that as an open question to the three of you,
• 1:20:30
  I'd be happy to give you that in a closed environment. I can tell
• 1:20:33
  you specifically. Thank you. I'm Commander Fever, I would say, and
• 1:20:40
  I've told people that you have to know where to look. They're not going
• 1:20:42
  to divulge it to you because of the classification levels. But if you know
• 1:20:45
  where to look and who to talk to, which is exactly what mister Greshing
• 1:20:46
  point you, then you then you have them, okay. And in order
• 1:20:51
  to get that information, you have to have a closed session. You have
• 1:20:55
  to have a skiff. And if you even as a congress person inquiring about
• 1:21:03
  these sort of programs and this technology that's being developed at you know, Lockheed
• 1:21:08
  Martin or Boeing or whatever the case may be, raytheon. Okay, They're
• 1:21:14
  not going to be forthcoming about you know, the nature of where they have
• 1:21:19
  got the blueprints for this sort of technology. They're just going to say it's
• 1:21:24
  advanced technology. Quite honestly, they may not even know. Do you think
• 1:21:32
  they told Bob Lazar this is like an alien spacecraft that you're working on here,
• 1:21:36
  figure it out. No, And so I want to get down to
• 1:21:43
  if we can some specifics. Right, So, at one point you had
• 1:21:48
  said that they're there, there has been harmful activity or aggressive activity. Has
• 1:21:55
  any of the activity been aggressive and hostile in your reports? I know of
• 1:22:02
  multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured and the activity and I got to
• 1:22:10
  buy buy UAPs or by by people within the federal government both. Okay,
• 1:22:17
  so there has been activity by by alien or non human technology and or beings
• 1:22:26
  that has caused harm to humans. I can't get into the specifics in an
• 1:22:31
  open environment, but at least the activity that I personally witnessed. And not
• 1:22:38
  to be very careful here because you don't you know, they tell you never
• 1:22:41
  to acknowledge tradecraft, right, So what I personally witnessed myself and my wife
• 1:22:45
  was very disturbing. Okay, he says under his breath, they tell you
• 1:22:54
  to never acknowledge trade craft. I don't know if anybody caught that, but
• 1:23:00
  he seems to be indicating that these are patented vehicles. I'm sure the aliens
• 1:23:09
  aren't interested in patenting their technology, but humans certainly are. This was mister
• 1:23:16
  Burlison from Missouri in this round of questioning to David Grush. Let's hear the
• 1:23:23
  rest of his questions here, because I think it's questions that a lot of
• 1:23:28
  the public has. One of my constituents actually sent this next question, and
• 1:23:33
  I figured I had to ask it since I had the same thought. You've
• 1:23:36
  said that US and has intact spacecraft. You said that the government has alien
• 1:23:44
  bodies or alien species. Have you seen have you seen the spacecraft? I
• 1:23:51
  have to be careful to describe what I've seen firsthand and not in this environment,
• 1:23:57
  but I could answer that question behind behind closed doors. Have you seen
• 1:24:00
  any of the bodies? That's something I've not witnessed myself, Okay. And
• 1:24:06
  so with that being said, you know, and the other statement that has
• 1:24:10
  been made that was intriguing to me because and it's intriguing because my view has
• 1:24:15
  been that we are billions of light years away from any other system, and
• 1:24:24
  the concept that an alien species has technologically advanced enough to travel billions of light
• 1:24:29
  years gets here and somehow is incompetent enough to not survive Earth or crashes is
• 1:24:36
  something that I find a little bit far fetched. And with that being said,
• 1:24:41
  you have mentioned that there's interdimensional potential. Could you expound on that.
• 1:24:46
  I'll yet to answer your first question, and you know I'm here as a
• 1:24:49
  fact witness and expert, but I will give you a theoretical framework at least
• 1:24:54
  to work off to kind of expouse crashes regardless of you know, your le
• 1:25:00
  licentience, right, you know, planes crash, cars crash, and number
• 1:25:02
  of sorties, however high a small percentage, you're going to end in you
• 1:25:06
  know, mission failure if you will, as we say in the Air Force.
• 1:25:11
  And then in terms of multi dimensionality that kind of thing. The framework
• 1:25:16
  that I'm familiar with, for example, is something called the holographic principle.
• 1:25:21
  Both it derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics, and that is,
• 1:25:28
  if you want to imagine three D objects such as yourself casting a shadow onto
• 1:25:31
  a two D surface, that's the holographic principle. So you can be projected
• 1:25:36
  quasi projected from higher dimensional space to lower dimensional It's a scientific trope that you
• 1:25:41
  can actually cross literally as far as I understand. But there's probably guys of
• 1:25:45
  PhDs that we could probably argue about that. But you have not seen any
• 1:25:48
  documentation that that's what's occurring, only a theoretical framework discussion. Yes, okay
• 1:25:55
  okay o comes razor is that this these aircraft, have they been identified that
• 1:26:05
  they are being produced by by domestic you know, military contractors. Is there
• 1:26:14
  any evidence that that's what's being recovered? Not to my knowledge. Plus,
• 1:26:18
  the recoveries predate a lot of our advanced programs that I previously am witting of.
• 1:26:23
  So would it be safe to say that there could be scenario today where
• 1:26:29
  you have an aircraft that crashes and because it's been involved in one program from
• 1:26:35
  one federal agency and the but the but the agency that retrieves it is not
• 1:26:42
  aware of that program, and to them it appears alien in origin. I
• 1:26:47
  mean, that's a hypothetical situation. I'm not aware of any historical situation that
• 1:26:53
  would match that that you've described. So now with this line of questioning,
• 1:26:59
  he's really hitting at the the center of this debate about UFO's UAPs and intelligent
• 1:27:09
  life in the universe. And I've made this argument myself about you know,
• 1:27:15
  so called advanced alien species traveling to Earth from distant star systems. But the
• 1:27:24
  closest star system to us is Alpha Centauri, and it does have confirmed exoplanets.
• 1:27:33
  That's only four light just over four light years away from us, so
• 1:27:38
  it's not billions of light years away. So that was a little bit of
• 1:27:45
  an inaccurate statement. But even you know, four point two four sixty five
• 1:27:50
  light years is is an enormous gulf. That means, traveling at the speed
• 1:27:56
  of light, it's still going to take over four years to reach Alpha Centauri,
• 1:28:01
  the closest star system, And Grush makes you know, a fair statement
• 1:28:11
  in saying that, well, even though they're intelligent, they have technology,
• 1:28:15
  they've managed to transverse you know, this amount of space, which is an
• 1:28:19
  incredible feat from our perspective, doesn't mean they're not crashing. Doesn't necessarily mean
• 1:28:28
  well, he doesn't say this, but doesn't necessarily mean that we're not shooting
• 1:28:31
  him down or engaging them. If we were, we wouldn't know about it.
• 1:28:41
  But I do think that his argument does lend some evidence to the fact
• 1:28:45
  that we may be dealing with life forms that are more local to Earth,
• 1:28:49
  and then he goes into the interdimensional hypothesis, which solves the you know,
• 1:28:59
  space time differential problem that we have when it concerns large distances in space.
• 1:29:11
  And of course it's all blanks as far as the answers to any of these
• 1:29:15
  questions. Now we're going to go to Miss Mace, who has some questions
• 1:29:24
  for mister Grush. You've stated that the government is in possession of potentially non
• 1:29:30
  human spacecraft based on your experience and extensive conversations with experts, do you believe
• 1:29:36
  our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials something I can't discuss in public setting.
• 1:29:46
  Okay, I can't ask when you think this occurred. If you believe
• 1:29:51
  we have crashed craft stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots
• 1:29:56
  who piloted this craft? As I've stated publicly in my News Nation interview,
• 1:30:00
  biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah, were they I guess human
• 1:30:08
  or non human? Biologics non human? And that was the assessment of people.
• 1:30:13
  What's recknowledge on the program I talk to that are currently still on the
• 1:30:15
  program, and was this documentary reverence is video photos eyewitness, like, how
• 1:30:20
  would that be determined the specific documentation I would have to talk to you a
• 1:30:26
  skiff about Okay, so, and you may or may not be able to
• 1:30:30
  answer my last question, and maybe we get into a skiff at the next
• 1:30:33
  hearing that we have. But who in the government, either what agency,
• 1:30:39
  subagency, what contractors? Who should be called into the next hearing about UAPs,
• 1:30:45
  either in a public setting or even in a private setting. And you
• 1:30:47
  probably can't name names, but what agencies or organizations, contractors, et cetera
• 1:30:51
  do we need to call in to get these questions answered, whether it's about
• 1:30:56
  funding, what programs are happening, and what's out there. I can give
• 1:30:59
  you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those
• 1:31:05
  and how soon can we get that list. I'm happy to provide that to
• 1:31:09
  you after the hearing. Super thank you, and I yelled back, Okay,
• 1:31:15
  Yeah, that's the one thing that's missing out of these hearings. There's
• 1:31:19
  no representatives from the Department of Defense, there's no representatives from Boeing, Lockheed
• 1:31:25
  Martin, there's no representatives from Defense Intelligence. Just the whistleblowers, and you
• 1:31:32
  know, these clueless members of Congress. Now we're going to go to mister
• 1:31:40
  Ogels who asks about the Department of Energy is based off of the information that
• 1:31:49
  you've been privy to. Is there any indication that these UAPs are interested in
• 1:31:55
  our nuclear technology and capabilities? Yes, by external observation. Sure that could
• 1:32:01
  be a fair assessment, you know, Yes, Is there any indication that
• 1:32:06
  Department of Energy is involved in UAP data collection and housing? I don't have
• 1:32:12
  an answer. I can't confirm it, deny that in a public setting?
• 1:32:15
  And could you do it in a secure setting? Yes, that's your favorite.
• 1:32:20
  No, I don't know, mister Chairman. You know, I think
• 1:32:26
  I'm the last member to go. But there clearly is a threat to the
• 1:32:30
  national security of the United States of America. As members of Congress, we
• 1:32:35
  have a responsibility to maintain oversight and be aware of these activities so that,
• 1:32:43
  if appropriate, we take action. I would encourage the Chairman to demand that
• 1:32:48
  we have any and all but in particular, mister grush Uh talk to us
• 1:32:54
  in a skiff, and if that access is denied, I will personally volunteer
• 1:33:00
  to initiate the Homan Rule against any personnel or any program or any agency that
• 1:33:06
  denies access to Congress, So this was his final question. But leading up
• 1:33:14
  to this, he basically is assessing whether UAPs represent a national security risk,
• 1:33:21
  and almost unanimously, the witnesses confirm that, based on the technology that they've
• 1:33:30
  observed, if these UAPs became hostile, they wouldn't be able to defend themselves.
• 1:33:40
  It's possible that they are intelligence gathering, probing our capabilities and our weaknesses,
• 1:33:48
  basically engaged in espionage, possibly sabotage. They are interested in our nuclear
• 1:33:56
  capabilities. They've demonstrated the ability to disarm our nuclear weapons. So in his
• 1:34:03
  assessment and mind too, this does represent a national security risk. And that's
• 1:34:10
  where we end up at the end of this hearing, basically saying he's going
• 1:34:21
  to press the issue to have a conversation with mister Grush, in particular in
• 1:34:29
  the skiff, because apparently mister Grush has a lot of information that he's not
• 1:34:33
  able to share in a public setting. So we'll see if they follow through
• 1:34:40
  with that. I looked up the Holman rule that he mentions, and basically
• 1:34:46
  this is a rule in the House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation
• 1:34:56
  that could potentially fire individual employees, reduce the salary of federal employees, or
• 1:35:04
  cut specific programs. So he's basically talking about using that as a threat to
• 1:35:13
  gain access to a skiff, to basically to reinsert Congress into the chain of
• 1:35:21
  command here. Okay, now we're back to miss Lluna here to round things
• 1:35:28
  out, mister Grush, why is it that you refer to the phenomenon as
• 1:35:35
  non human intelligence? Why deviate from the basis of extraterrestrial life? I think
• 1:35:41
  the phenomenon is a very complex, and I like to leave an open mind
• 1:35:46
  analytically to specific origin. When you say specific origin, are you referring Can
• 1:35:53
  you elaborate on that for those of my life if it's a traditional extraterrestrial origin
• 1:35:59
  or something else that we don't quite understand from either biological or astrophysics perspective.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, I just like to keep an open mind on what it could be.
• 1:36:09
  Yeah. So are we referring to the phenomena as non human intelligence or
• 1:36:16
  the intelligence behind the phenomenon as non human intelligence? I think we need to
• 1:36:25
  get really specific with some of these questions. But I do like Grussia's response
• 1:36:30
  in that he wants to keep an open mind as to the origin of these
• 1:36:36
  intelligences, whoever they are, wherever they are, that we're dealing with,
• 1:36:42
  and in this case, it's just in relationship to constructing these craft apparently,
• 1:36:50
  So in other words, to leave it open to you know, are we
• 1:36:55
  dealing with extraterrestrials i e. Aliens from other planets? Are we dealing with
• 1:37:01
  something interdimensional? Are we dealing with something from the heavens? If we want
• 1:37:10
  to bring in, you know, a Christian viewpoint on this, He's not
• 1:37:15
  ruling any of it out. So that about wraps it up there. There's
• 1:37:21
  a few closing statements from the committee members, and so I guess the next
• 1:37:29
  step here is get to the skiff with mister Grush. Honestly, he's sitting
• 1:37:35
  with the most information, it looks like, as far as specifics, individuals,
• 1:37:45
  agencies that are involved in this back engineering research and development, and involved
• 1:37:59
  in the you know, cover up or the withholding of this information from Congress
• 1:38:04
  and the American people. So I'm going to stay on top of this,
• 1:38:09
  and next time we have another Congressional hearing on the UAP subject matter, you'll
• 1:38:16
  hear my breakdown here on Ministry X. And we've got some news coming up
• 1:38:24
  here after the break. But I want to just mention because we haven't heard
• 1:38:30
  the Christian viewpoint on this, well, on this episode at least, And
• 1:38:38
  you know, I can see you rolling your eyes, you know, if
• 1:38:40
  you're not a Christian, if you don't have a biblical viewpoint. And we
• 1:38:43
  do have some listeners out there I know that are more agnostic, more scientific
• 1:38:50
  atheists, which is fine, that's great, but it's important to understand the
• 1:38:58
  Christian viewpoint on this too. It's not irrelevant. And even if you just
• 1:39:03
  take Jesus and what he said, what is the Christian perspective on UFOs,
• 1:39:11
  on UAPs, on disclosure. Well, in case you haven't noticed, the
• 1:39:16
  Bible doesn't really talk about aliens from other planets. It doesn't talk about advanced
• 1:39:24
  technology, but it does talk about the time period that we're in right now
• 1:39:32
  and what it's going to look like. Jesus doesn't warn us about alien intruders
• 1:39:39
  from other planets, but he does warn us about false prophets. He does
• 1:39:45
  warn us about the anti christ spirit, and he does warn us about the
• 1:39:55
  end times being like the days of Noah, and arguably they did have advanced
• 1:40:02
  technology of another sort, not parallel with the technology we have today, but
• 1:40:13
  they were able to accomplish amazing things that we can't quite figure out today lost
• 1:40:19
  technology. So there will be deceivers. And we all know that the political
• 1:40:30
  authorities and military authorities are constantly engaged in deception, because that's part of the
• 1:40:41
  art of war. I mean, I have my suspicions as to what's going
• 1:40:47
  on here, and that's why I said I should just write a book and
• 1:40:50
  call it identified, and just put my thoughts down and then put it out
• 1:40:56
  there for everybody to tear apart and criticize, you know. But I don't
• 1:41:02
  want to just give you my opinions. I have reasons for the position that
• 1:41:09
  I take on the alien question. They are extraterrestrial because they're not of the
• 1:41:17
  Earth, but we may in fact be dealing with something that is in a
• 1:41:23
  sense interdimensional, okay, or between different realms. These are just different words
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  to describe things in a different way. Look at things from a scientific perspective,
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  or you look at things from a spiritual perspective, but we could in
• 1:41:40
  fact be talking about the same thing. In my view, heaven is the
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  equivalent of outer space, and there as you go up up in the atmosphere,
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  into open space, you're dealing with different levels, different stratifications of the
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  heavy essentially, and then you have the realm of the underworld, okay,
• 1:42:05
  which corresponds to hollow Earth the cave system, and we're going to have a
• 1:42:14
  story coming up here in the news that relates to that as well. So
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  there's different ways to look at things. And like Grush says in his testimony,
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  he likes to keep an open mind as to the nature of the phenomenon
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  or the intelligences that are creating the phenomenon. And I'm with him there on
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  that. If we get into the Book of Enoch, we're talking about the
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  Watchers who are fallen angels and the partnerships that they formed with human beings and
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  the exchange of technology, advanced knowledge, and incidentally, a lot of it
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  had to do with human reproduction, warfare, a lot of the same themes
• 1:43:14
  that we see with the alien UFO enigma. So could we be looking at
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  just a modern incarnation of something that's been going on since the beginnings of human
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  civilization. The problem is Grush doesn't have all the information. He's not a
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  first hand witness to spacecraft or alien bodies. He's been fed this information,
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  but of course it's select information that he's been fed, so we still don't
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  have a lot of answers. We still have just this plethora of anecdotal evidence
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  and these specific cases where there's radar data, there's satellite data. And I
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  didn't play this part of the hearing, but there's a point where toward the
• 1:44:17
  end where David Fraverer says that he doesn't believe that this technology that he's observed,
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  you know, the TIC, TAC, et cetera, doesn't appear to
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  be technology that we're anywhere near developing. But then he gives a time range
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  ten to twenty years. So on the one hand, the technology is so
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  out of this world that we can't even conceive of the physics. And then
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  on the other hand, well, maybe ten twenty years from now. But
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  we know that we don't become aware of technology until it's been in development for
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  a very long time. So it would not surprise me if we have,
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  in partnership with non human intelligences, developed technology that we built with human hands
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  that has these capabilities. I don't think it's that otherworldly. Okay, well,
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  I'm just talking in circles. Now, you've all heard my viewpoint on
• 1:45:30
  this over and over again. If you've been following this podcast, but I'd
• 1:45:33
  like to know what you think. Did you watch the hearings, What do
• 1:45:38
  you think is going on? What are they hiding? Send me an email
• 1:45:42
  ministry x at ProtonMail dot com. Have you seen a UFO? Have you
• 1:45:47
  had a weird experience? Have you experienced an alien abduction? We haven't even
• 1:45:51
  got into that. That's a whole nother dimension of this conversation. Anyways,
• 1:45:58
  I'd be happy to hear your testimony, your story, and we could potentially
• 1:46:03
  talk about it on the program, or if you'd like to come on the
• 1:46:06
  show and talk about it, send me an email as well. Well.
• 1:46:11
  We've got some news on the other side of the break here. You've been
• 1:46:14
  listening to ministry x on Fringe Radio Network. Don't, don't, don't,
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  don't, don't do don't do don't, don't, don't, don't, don't,
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  don't, don't, don't, don't do do do do, don't,
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  don't, don't. Massive ocean discovered beneath the Earth's crust, containing more water
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  than on the surface. Yes, it's another edition of science Proves the Bible.
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  This is from MSN dot com. Coffee or water, coffee or water,
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  coffee and water. Okay, the article begins. It feels like there
• 1:49:14
  have been staggering science stories emerging every other day recently, all of which have
• 1:49:20
  blown our tiny little minds. Okay, I like the intro. First there
• 1:49:29
  was the discovery of a terrifying black hole pointing right at us. Then there
• 1:49:34
  was a huge hole found in the Sun and a missing continent found after going
• 1:49:45
  missing three hundred and seventy five years. What I didn't hear about that one?
• 1:49:54
  Now people are only just realizing that there's a massive ocean hidden under the
• 1:50:00
  Earth's crust. It turns out there's a huge supply of water four hundred miles
• 1:50:08
  underground, stored in rock known as ringwoodite. Scientists previously discovered that water is
• 1:50:17
  stored inside mantle rock in a sponge like state, which isn't a liquid solid
• 1:50:25
  or a gas, but instead of a fourth state. Huh. The scientific
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  paper titled Dehydration Melting at the Top of the Lower Mantle was published in twenty
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  fourteen and laid out the findings. Quote, the ringwoodite is like a sponge
• 1:50:47
  soaking up water. There is something very special about the crystal structure of ringwoodite
• 1:50:55
  that allows it to attract hydrogen and trap water, he said geophysicist Steve Jacobson
• 1:51:02
  at the time, quote, this mineral can contain a lot of water under
• 1:51:08
  conditions of the deep mantle unquote, added Jacobson, who was just part of
• 1:51:14
  the team behind the discovery. He added, I think we are finally seeing
• 1:51:18
  evidence for a whole earth water cycle, which may explain the vast amount of
• 1:51:25
  liquid water on the surface of our habitable planet. Scientists have been looking for
• 1:51:31
  this missing deep water for decades. Okay, so sounds like what the Bible
• 1:51:43
  refers to as the fountains of the deep. If you remember the story of
• 1:51:49
  Noah in the flood from Sunday School, then you may be inclined to believe
• 1:51:58
  that it just rained for forty days and forty nights. No God also opened
• 1:52:04
  up the fountains of the deep and let all that underground water come surging forth.
• 1:52:12
  Apparently it comes from a sponge, like a crystal formation of water stored
• 1:52:20
  under the mantle of the planet. Scientists made the findings at the time after
• 1:52:30
  studying earthquakes and discovering that seismometers were picking up shock waves under the surface of
• 1:52:39
  the Earth. From that, they were able to establish that the water was
• 1:52:45
  being held in the rock known as ringwoodite. If the rock contained just one
• 1:52:51
  percent water, it would mean that there is three times more water under the
• 1:52:57
  surface of the Earth than there is the oceans on the surface. Wow,
• 1:53:05
  amazing. All I got to say is God is great. Our planet is
• 1:53:14
  very very unique. God opens up the fountains of the deep and obliterates human
• 1:53:24
  civilization, doesn't kill the planet, just wipes human beings out, and the
• 1:53:31
  nephelum and all their genetically modified hybrid creations, their abominations. You have no
• 1:53:49
  idea what's under the earth. We have no idea what's under the Earth or
• 1:53:53
  the oceans for that matter, much less space. All right, let's move
• 1:54:01
  on to our next story. Gen Z activists just won a first of its
• 1:54:09
  kind trial against the state of Montana for violating their right to a clean environment.
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  Yes, we're responsible for these gen zs. This is from Fortune Fortune
• 1:54:29
  dot com. Young environmental activists scored what experts described as a groundbreaking legal victory
• 1:54:38
  Monday, when a Montana judge said state agencies were violating their constitutional right to
• 1:54:45
  a clean and healthful environment by allowing fossil fuel development. The ruling in this
• 1:54:54
  first of its kind trial in the US adds to a small number of legal
• 1:54:59
  decisions around the world that have established a government duty to protect citizens from climate
• 1:55:06
  change. Hm hmm. If it stands, the ruling could set an important
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  legal precedent, though experts said the immediate impacts are limited, and state officials
• 1:55:19
  pledged to seek to overturn the decision. On appeal, District Court judge Kathy
• 1:55:27
  Sealey found the policy the state uses in evaluating requests for fossil fuel permits,
• 1:55:32
  which does not allow agencies to look at greenhouse gas emissions, is unconstitutional.
• 1:55:42
  It marks the first time a US court has ruled against a government for violating
• 1:55:46
  a constitutional right based on climate change, said Harvard Law School professor Richard Lazarus.
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  Quote. To be sure, it is a state court, not a
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  federal court, and the ruling is based on a state constitution and not the
• 1:56:03
  US Constitution. But it is still clearly a major path breaking wind for climate
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  plaintiffs, Lazarus wrote in an email. The judge rejected the state's argument that
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  Montana's emissions are insignificant, saying they were a quote substantial factor in climate change.
• 1:56:27
  Montana is a major producer of coal burned for electricity and has large oil
• 1:56:33
  and gas reserves. Yeah. I used to live in Montana, and if
• 1:56:40
  you've ever drove through Anaconda, it's just like a huge, literally a mountain
• 1:56:45
  of coal. Every additional ton of GHG greenhouse gas emissions exacerbates plaintiffs' injuries and
• 1:56:58
  risks locking in irreversible climate injuries. Seeley wrote, Yeah, we don't care
• 1:57:08
  about like the toxic spill in you know, Ohio or whatever that's you know,
• 1:57:12
  poisoning the water supply. We don't worry about chemtrails. We don't worry
• 1:57:18
  about all the you know, nuclear facilities in the state of Montana that you
• 1:57:30
  know, if there was ever an EMP and the power grid went down,
• 1:57:34
  all these nuclear reactors would start to melt down simultaneously. No, we're just
• 1:57:45
  worried about greenhouse gases. Nathan Millennial tried to tell me that the left doesn't
• 1:57:54
  talk about CO two, that climate activists aren't concerned about CO two carbon monoxide.
• 1:58:00
  They're concerned about I'm like, Nate, this is all your people talk
• 1:58:06
  about, is your carbon footprint, your carbon emissions, your CO two.
• 1:58:13
  I was surprised to learn that carbon dioxide only makes up a very small fraction
• 1:58:18
  of our atmosphere. I thought maybe it was like ten percent or twenty percent
• 1:58:21
  or something, but no, it's like point zero one percent or something.
• 1:58:29
  Anyways, the ruling really provides nothing beyond emotional support for the many cases seeking
• 1:58:38
  to establish a public trust right, human right, or a federal constitutional right
• 1:58:44
  to a healthy environment, said James Huffman, dean emeritus at Lewis and Clark
• 1:58:50
  Law School in Portland. State officials had tried to derail the case and prevent
• 1:58:57
  it from going to trial through numerous motions to dismiss the lawsuit. Claire Vlasses
• 1:59:04
  was seventeen years old when she became a plaintiff in the case, now twenty
• 1:59:09
  and working as a ski instructor. She said climate change hangs over every aspect
• 1:59:15
  of her life. Quote. I think a lot of young people feel really
• 1:59:18
  helpless, especially when it comes to the future, Vlasis said, adding that
• 1:59:26
  she expects Montana lawmakers to respect the state's constitution and abide by the court's decision.
• 1:59:33
  Quote. Hopefully this is one for history, unquote, she said.
• 1:59:40
  Emily Flower, spokesperson for Montana Attorney General Austin Knutsen, described the ruling as
• 1:59:47
  quote absurd, and said the office plan to appeal. She criticized Sealy for
• 1:59:54
  allowing the plaintiffs to put on what Flower called a quote taxpayer funded publiclicity stunt.
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  Montanans can't be blamed for changing the climate, she said. Their same
• 2:00:08
  legal theory has been thrown out of federal court and courts and more than a
• 2:00:12
  dozen states. It should have been here as well. Unquote. Attorneys for
• 2:00:17
  the sixteen plaintiffs, ranging in age from five to twenty two, presented evidence
• 2:00:24
  during the two week trial that increasing carbon dioxide emissions are driving hotter temperatures,
• 2:00:31
  more drought and wildfires, and decreased snowpack, none of which is true,
• 2:00:43
  not even statistically true. The plaintiffs said those changes were harming their mental and
• 2:00:51
  physical health, with wildfire smoke choking the air they breathe, and drought drying
• 2:00:59
  out rivers that sustain agriculture, fish, wildlife, and recreation. Native Americans
• 2:01:05
  testifying for the plaintiffs said climate change affects their ceremonies and traditional food sources.
• 2:01:15
  It affects their ceremonies. The state argued that even if Montana completely stopped producing
• 2:01:25
  CO two, it would have no effect on a global scale. Because states
• 2:01:30
  and countries around the world contribute to the amount of CO two in the atmosphere,
• 2:01:38
  a remedy has to offer relief, the state said, or it's not
• 2:01:42
  a remedy at all. Yeah, you don't even have to get like when
• 2:01:47
  you register your vehicle, you don't have to have a smog check. It's
• 2:01:54
  not required in Montana. It's not required here in Idaho either. It's probably
• 2:02:01
  required in Washington next door to us, but I'm not sure. So look
• 2:02:10
  for more lawsuits of this type. Remember they already concluded that during the COVID
• 2:02:18
  lockdowns, you know, that was a good thing for the environment. People
• 2:02:23
  not going to work, staying indoors, cut back on smog and pollution and
• 2:02:28
  emissions. So believe me, climate lockdowns are coming, especially with all the
• 2:02:35
  wildfires, which aren't necessarily due to drought. There's other factors. In fact,
• 2:02:43
  the more oxygen in the atmosphere, the more fires you have. And
• 2:02:50
  you know, brush is not being removed from the forests, so they're just
• 2:02:55
  tinder boxes. But I'm already over two hours. I said this was going
• 2:03:00
  to be an hour and forty five minute episode, So much for that.
• 2:03:05
  One more story more Space News. This is very interesting, actually, China's
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  rover maps one thousand feet of hidden structures deep below the dark side of the
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  Moon. This is from space dot Com. Since it first landed in twenty
• 2:03:31
  eighteen, China's Chang four Chang E four, the first spacecraft to ever land
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  on the far side of the Moon, has been taking stunning panoramas of impact
• 2:03:45
  craters and sampling minerals from the Moon's mantle. Now, the spacecraft has enabled
• 2:03:51
  scientists to visualize the layer cake of structures that comprise the upper one thousand feet
• 2:04:00
  of the Moon's surface in finer detail than ever before. The results, which
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  were published August seventh in the Journal of Geophysical Research Planets, revealed billions of
• 2:04:15
  years of previously hidden lunar history. A rover that traveled aboard Chang E four,
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  named U two two, is equipped with a technology called Lunar penetrating Radar
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  LPR. This device enables the rover to send radio signals deep into the Moon's
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  surface, said lead study author Jiang Qing Fang. Sorry, I probably butchered
• 2:04:48
  that. An astrogeological researcher at the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Arizona,
• 2:05:00
  quote, then it listens to the echoes dancing back unquote, Fang told Live
• 2:05:05
  Science. Scientists can use those echoes or radio waves that bounce off underground structures
• 2:05:13
  to create a map of the lunar subsurface. In twenty twenty, scientists use
• 2:05:19
  U two two U two two's LPR to map the upper one hundred and thirty
• 2:05:27
  feet of the Moon's surface, but hadn't gone deeper until now. These new
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  data suggests the top one hundred and thirty feet of the lunar surface are made
• 2:05:40
  up of multiple layers of dust, soil, and broken rocks. Feng said
• 2:05:45
  hidden within these materials was a crater formed when a large object slammed into the
• 2:05:50
  Moon. Feng and his colleagues hypothesized that the rubble surrounding this formation was ejecta
• 2:06:00
  debris from the impact. Farther down, the scientists discovered five distinct layers of
• 2:06:06
  lunar lava that seeped across the landscape billions of years ago. Scientists think our
• 2:06:14
  moon formed four point five to one billion years ago, not long after the
• 2:06:18
  Solar System itself, when a Mars size object slammed into Earth and broke off
• 2:06:25
  a chunk of our planet The Moon then continued to be bombarded by objects from
• 2:06:32
  space for roughly two hundred million years. Some impacts cracked the Moon's surface.
• 2:06:41
  Like Earth. The Moon's mantle at that time contained pockets of molten material called
• 2:06:46
  magma, which seeped out through the newly formed cracks in a series of volcanic
• 2:06:53
  eruptions, Fang said. The new data from Chang E four shows that process
• 2:07:00
  as slowing down over time. Fang and his colleagues found that the layers of
• 2:07:04
  volcanic rock grew thinner the closer they were to the Moon's surface. This suggests
• 2:07:11
  that less lava flowed in later eruptions compared with earlier ones. The Moon was
• 2:07:17
  slowly cooling down and running out of steam in its later volcanic stage, Fang
• 2:07:24
  said, quote its energy became weak over time. Volcanic activity on the Moon
• 2:07:31
  is thought to have petered out about one billion years ago, though scientists have
• 2:07:36
  discovered some evidence of younger volcanic activity as recently as one hundred million years ago.
• 2:07:45
  For this reason, the Moon is often considered geologically dead. However,
• 2:07:51
  there could still be magma deep underneath the lunar surface, Fang said. Chang
• 2:07:57
  E four isn't done with its work on the Moon yet. Fang hopes that
• 2:08:01
  in the future the craft will give us insight into different unexpected geological formations.
• 2:08:09
  So the structures are these, you know, lava flows, Yeah, not
• 2:08:18
  like prehistoric moon bases or anything like that. In case you were thinking that's
• 2:08:24
  what it was when you clicked on it, Daniel X and in other space
• 2:08:30
  news, India landed its rover on the moon also right or was it Mars
• 2:08:39
  the moon? It's the moon. And speaking of the dark side of the
• 2:08:45
  moon, scientists were able to like put electrodes directly on people's brains and they
• 2:08:54
  were playing another brick in the wall off the wall, a Pink Floyd's of
• 2:09:00
  the wall, and able to convert it actually to like sound waves, like
• 2:09:09
  it came out garbled apparently, but they could still tell it was pink Floyd
• 2:09:13
  or pink Floydian influenced. I don't know, the world's getting crazy. It's
• 2:09:20
  the end times. I'm gonna wrap it up there. You've been listening to
• 2:09:26
  ministry X on Fringe Radio network. You can find me on me week gab
• 2:09:33
  and the ministry X telestream on Telegram. Also ministryxpodcast Dot com fringeradionetwork dot com.
• 2:09:41
  Send me an email with your thoughts, your questions, your comments.
• 2:09:46
  If you have a testimony you'd like to share, If you have a story
• 2:09:50
  you'd like to share, if you'd like to be a guest on the show,
• 2:09:54
  shoot me an email. Ministry Ex at proton mail dot com. Ministriekis
• 2:10:03
  at protamail dot com. And remember, until next time, beware the alien
• 2:10:09
  savior water. And I'm not going to ask you to do right after time
• 2:10:28
  reasons, but you would be able to sketch what was niscraft and you have
• 2:10:35
  you seen that before on any other equipment and or during your flight time.
• 2:10:43
  I have not seen what they've described. This object was estimated to be almost
• 2:10:52
  size of football field, and I have not seen anything personally, Okay,
• 2:11:01
  And then another question on follow referencing the gimbal video going back incident, can
• 2:11:09
  you just clarify because to our understanding, the footage was actually cut off at
• 2:11:18
  a certain point, But what happens at the end of that video just for
• 2:11:22
  those Americans specifically that I wanted to know about theirs that footage, Certainly there
• 2:11:31
  was some uncertainty