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I Built A Farm Without Planning Permission | Clive Edwards · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throuw. I'm a former
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Speaker 1: Ruleries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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Speaker 1: eighty countries on all seven confidents.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Port the t Shirt Podcast.
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Speaker 3: Clive, How are you doing, Bud?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good, Thanks Chris. Nice to be with you.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Well, like I said, you're the most sought after
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Speaker 3: guests that I've been asked to get on the show
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Speaker 3: in recent times. And to be honest, not as many
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Speaker 3: other guests that I've ever had have been requested as
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Speaker 3: much as you.
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Speaker 2: So as much as a surprise to me, it is
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Speaker 2: to you as it is to you, Chris.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you clearly have got something to say that
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Speaker 3: people want to hear. So how did it all start?
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Speaker 2: Ma? Well, yeah, that is possibly what resonates my message
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Speaker 2: may well resonate with a lot of your audience because
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Speaker 2: I've taken on the crown and have succeeded. Now, I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying that in a boastful way at all. I've
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Speaker 2: been through the complete meal, taken on the crane and
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Speaker 2: by crime. Most when I say that, I mean that
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Speaker 2: the government. Most people would understand that as but it's
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Speaker 2: not the government you actually take on it is the
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Speaker 2: crane and so yeah, I've been been in a few battles.
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Speaker 2: I've been a gardener in a war, Chris, and now
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Speaker 2: I would like regarded myself as a warrior in a garden.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm looking forward to hearing it all. Clive. Let
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Speaker 3: me just read off your website, which is Capillarywave dot com.
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Speaker 3: There'll be a link below, folks, don't worry. Some areas
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Speaker 3: that will be explored. Is there two tier? Is two
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Speaker 3: tier policing real? Is this such a thing as a
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Speaker 3: second class citizen? How do we hold the government accountable?
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Speaker 3: Can the magna carta help? What is common law? Do
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Speaker 3: I have to comply with a government mandate? I think
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Speaker 3: we can all relate to that one? Or should I say,
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Speaker 3: hopefully ignoring that one? Do the government serve the people?
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Speaker 3: Why is ignorance of the law not an excuse our
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Speaker 3: ulez fines enforceable? So yeah, I had a chat with
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Speaker 3: a wonderful Matt Hardy Houston the other day who's done
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Speaker 3: a lot of work around work. That's probably a good euphemism, folks,
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Speaker 3: isn't it a lot of work around ulez? Very popular
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Speaker 3: guest tell us more, Clive, how did you even want
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Speaker 3: to get involved in this?
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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't really, Chris. I was involved, as you
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Speaker 2: call it, in the illusion I had. You know, I
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Speaker 2: was busy in my life playing football on the hamster Will.
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Speaker 2: I have my own construction business, so I was busy
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Speaker 2: operating that hamster will of the government that the government
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Speaker 2: put there for us to jump on, and I was
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Speaker 2: on it, pedaling pretty fast. And then two thousand and
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Speaker 2: seven my world come crushing down around my ears. It
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Speaker 2: was the Great Recession. And at the same time HMRC
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Speaker 2: decided that I owed him sixty K and the local
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Speaker 2: council decided that I couldn't use my builder yard as
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Speaker 2: a builder yard anymore. I've got a bit of fielding
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Speaker 2: down in Somerset where I park a few trailers, a
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Speaker 2: few builders fans, and one day me and a friend
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Speaker 2: were putting up some ordinary wooden fencing that you get
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Speaker 2: at B and Q, you know, just running the mill
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Speaker 2: standard wooden fencing. I was trying to put up a
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Speaker 2: barrier so people couldn't see through in my tools. I
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Speaker 2: had some tools stolen, and then that afternoon we only
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Speaker 2: started in the morning. By the afternoon we had the
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Speaker 2: head enforcement guy come out with his clipboard telling me
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Speaker 2: that I got to stop what I'm doing camp, I'm
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Speaker 2: not allowed to do it, And I was like, what
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Speaker 2: do you mean? I was in complete shock. So that
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Speaker 2: sounds all pretty boring. But it ended with me building
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Speaker 2: a farm on that field without planning permission. So that's
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Speaker 2: the start and the end of it. But obviously there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of things to get
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Speaker 2: through in the middle portion.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of learning involved in this, clearly. Yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I know a wee bit about it because I had
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Speaker 3: to defend myself at a tribunal and not having you know,
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Speaker 3: a penny to scratch me, you know what with back
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Speaker 3: then I had to learn it. It took me a year
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Speaker 3: to prepare, that's how complex I found the law. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and then I still made a critical area critical error,
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Speaker 3: as in I admitted in inadvertently admitted guilt. But that's
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Speaker 3: by saying I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry, you're honor
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Speaker 3: for all of this, as any you know, decent Englishman
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Speaker 3: would would say, So what was the Can you just
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Speaker 3: tell us the chain of events? And I more than happy,
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Speaker 3: Clive that you you do all the talking.
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Speaker 2: Right you are, and Chris, yeah, so I had the
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Speaker 2: counsel enforcement after me. Okay, I'll just I'll just hit
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Speaker 2: across the tops of it, and for your audience, I've
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Speaker 2: prepared a web page specifically for our chat. So the
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Speaker 2: web page it can be found us, but Christ will
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Speaker 2: share it in the comments or something, but it will
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Speaker 2: pick up the slack that that because, like Chris, so
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Speaker 2: can be really complicated to discuss law and governance and
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Speaker 2: I don't want to get bogged down in the detail.
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Speaker 2: The webpage will do that, but I'll just skim across
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Speaker 2: the top of what actually happened. So I got the
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Speaker 2: enforcement guys after me from the local council, and I
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Speaker 2: was just scratching my head, thinking, like they're going to
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Speaker 2: ruin my business. Is going to end my business if
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Speaker 2: I have to go and find a new yard. We're
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Speaker 2: already in recession. Times are really hard. I thought, this
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Speaker 2: is I was staring at the end, and I know
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Speaker 2: you do a lot of work with mental health, and
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Speaker 2: like I was in a very very dark place. So
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Speaker 2: it was the end of my life as I saw it.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't earn any money. I was you know, things
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Speaker 2: were things were bleak, but from there it was a
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Speaker 2: case of sink or swim, and I I decided to
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Speaker 2: start swimming. So I started to think, like where does
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Speaker 2: this Where does the council get their authority from? And
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Speaker 2: this will be relevant to your audience, like where does
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Speaker 2: that authority come from to pay council tax? Where does
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Speaker 2: that authority come from for them to take you to
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Speaker 2: court over a parking somewhere you shouldn't have parked, and
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Speaker 2: that this discussion will touch on all of that, and
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Speaker 2: a lot of citizens out there they're listening to this.
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Speaker 2: They they make the fundamental mistake of they are taking
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Speaker 2: on these councils and local authorities from the wrong status
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Speaker 2: and capacity. And I was in that wrong status and capacity,
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Speaker 2: and I'll touch on that now. So I was, as
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Speaker 2: I said, average ordinary Joe had no clue how the
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Speaker 2: law worked. And I've got now the law facing me
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Speaker 2: and they were threatening issuing me with enforcement notices. And
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Speaker 2: for a planning case, an enforcement notice comes with unlimited fines,
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Speaker 2: so they can find you what up to there's no
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Speaker 2: limit to what they can find you. And if you
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Speaker 2: don't pay those fines, you can be put in prison
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Speaker 2: because it's an indictable offence which can be heard at
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Speaker 2: a crand court. So I didn't realize how serious it was.
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Speaker 2: I had no I didn't even understand how serious it was.
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Speaker 2: So they, you know, they issued me with Initially they
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Speaker 2: issued me with one enforcement notice. Now then they changed
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Speaker 2: it to nine. And they did that because if you
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Speaker 2: managed to bat away one enforcement notice, that means their
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Speaker 2: whole case against you is forall them. So they they
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Speaker 2: resubmitted nine enforcement note so that if they lost grind
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Speaker 2: on one one of the notices, they still were eight
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Speaker 2: to come after me with. So they were serious, like
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Speaker 2: they weren't messing about. And yeah, So then that that
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Speaker 2: started my I was like, well, how on earth, how
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Speaker 2: on earth do they have all this power over me?
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Speaker 2: So I started looking at their policies and I found
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Speaker 2: the document that every council in the country's got is
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Speaker 2: called a constitution. Now this will go back to that
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Speaker 2: status and capacity I was talking about a second ago.
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Speaker 2: Most of your audience will be listening this from the
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Speaker 2: from the status has been a citizen of the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: Now that places you as being a commoner, and a
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Speaker 2: commoner is a member of the thirdest state of the realm.
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Speaker 2: So you're not a second class citizen. You're a third
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Speaker 2: class citizen. And I'm sure a lot of your audience
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Speaker 2: can resonate with a lot of your audience and how
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Speaker 2: they're being treated at the moment, like our grandparents who
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Speaker 2: are freezing the deaf at winter, and you go to
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Speaker 2: these protests and get beaten the death by your own
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Speaker 2: police force. That is because you are there in the
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Speaker 2: status and capacity as a citizen, which is a commoner,
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Speaker 2: which is a third class, a member of the third
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Speaker 2: state of the realm. So when I started to understand
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Speaker 2: some of these things, I was like, I need to
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Speaker 2: I need to rectify this. So I found out and
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Speaker 2: I've got clips from the black Belt barrister himself, famous
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Speaker 2: YouTuber talks about the law. He explains that by being
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Speaker 2: on the electoral register, that is where the consent of
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Speaker 2: the government comes from. So one of the things I did, Chris,
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Speaker 2: was I wrote to the Attorney General and got my
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Speaker 2: name off the electoral register that way. That way, it
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Speaker 2: was a case of then when I said, when I
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Speaker 2: said to these government authorities and government departments that were
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Speaker 2: coming after me, I am not a citizen, I wasn't lying.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't go on some record somewhere and find find
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Speaker 2: that I am actually, in fact one of their third
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Speaker 2: class citizens, one of their commoners. So that would be
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Speaker 2: the biggest thing I could say to your audience if
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Speaker 2: they got any issues with a local council or local authority,
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Speaker 2: then then that would be one of the first resolutions
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Speaker 2: that I that's that's what I did, And I can
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Speaker 2: only speak from experience and what I did now I
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Speaker 2: ended up. I've been through the system. I went from
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Speaker 2: knowing nothing from a standing start sink or swim to
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Speaker 2: ending up going around the country at courts helping farmers
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Speaker 2: and small holders against councils. Because I became somewhat good
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Speaker 2: at it, and it actually culminated in you may remember,
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Speaker 2: your audience might remember there's a guy down in Reigate,
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Speaker 2: in Surrey who built a castle and he hid it
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Speaker 2: behind haybells, and he hid it there for a few years,
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Speaker 2: finished building the castle, then took the haybells away and
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Speaker 2: like voila, here's my castle. And it was a very
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Speaker 2: famous case, probably the biggest planning case in the country
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Speaker 2: at the time. And he heard about the work I
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Speaker 2: was doing around the country because his council ultimately after
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Speaker 2: a twelve year of battle where he beat them at
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Speaker 2: nearly every step of the way. But when you're playing
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Speaker 2: in their game, it's one of their citizens. They can
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Speaker 2: just change the rules of monopoly, as in when they choose,
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Speaker 2: so you will never ever win. As being a citizen
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Speaker 2: trust as if the crane don't want you to win,
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Speaker 2: you will not win. They might throw you a little
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Speaker 2: bone here or there. But obviously this guy built a
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Speaker 2: castle and that's a big two fingers up to the establishment,
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Speaker 2: and he was one of their citizens. So but he
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Speaker 2: still managed to fight's corner pretty well. But anyway, it
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Speaker 2: resulted in his barristers abandoned him after I get counsel,
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Speaker 2: brought a brought a case to the High Court. It
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Speaker 2: was a committal hearing, so he heard about the work
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Speaker 2: we were doing around the country and me and a
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Speaker 2: friend and we we got drafted in the keep them
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Speaker 2: out of prison and we were successful in doing so.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been a it's been a bit of
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Speaker 2: a battle, Chris, and one that I've enjoyed actually, And
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Speaker 2: I'm part of what I try to do now through
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Speaker 2: my website is I try to help ordinary citizens understand
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Speaker 2: what they're involved with because most don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, Clove, I should explain. I'm showing all the
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Speaker 3: stuff you're talking about. I'm trying to get it up
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Speaker 3: on the other screen. I'm not being rude.
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Speaker 2: No, no, not a problem.
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Speaker 3: And sometimes it triggers my trauma, so I can't remember
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Speaker 3: what it was I was talking about. Yeah, no, but no,
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Speaker 3: I'm listening to you and just a little one, right.
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Speaker 3: You remember we had to do that what's it called that?
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Speaker 3: The we all had to give our details, where we work,
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Speaker 3: where we lived.
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Speaker 2: And all that well for lockdown and stuff.
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Speaker 3: No, no, it was about ten years ago now, maybe
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Speaker 3: even fifteen.
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Speaker 2: And okay, oh god, sorry, that is just a state
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Speaker 2: trying to get jurisdiction over you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all had to fill in this form. It
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Speaker 3: was where we lived, date of birth obviously, any you
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Speaker 3: know census, that's the word. Yeah, the same thing that
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Speaker 3: they got, was it, Mary and Joseph for.
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Speaker 2: The exactly Yeah you got it. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And what happened was it's weird I filled it in
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Speaker 3: because I wasn't aware back there, not like I am now.
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Speaker 3: I think I was probably just starting to get me
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Speaker 3: hed around nine to eleven and Loan be Older was
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Speaker 3: at work one day and the phone rang and it
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Speaker 3: was the police and he's, oh, hello, mister Thrill, do
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Speaker 3: you know so? And so I said, just one moment,
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Speaker 3: I'll ever look at my records see if he's my client.
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Speaker 3: I just assumed he'd phoned up looking. I was a
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Speaker 3: substance misuse specialist. I've basically worked with people who had
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Speaker 3: problem with drugs, most of it you know, heroin and
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Speaker 3: to do with a methodone program, so it wasn't unusual
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Speaker 3: that we had interactions with the police for obvious reasons. Now,
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Speaker 3: I said, I'll just have a look and he went, no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: he's a friend of yours. And I in my head
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Speaker 3: then it clicked who this chat was. It was someone
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Speaker 3: I knew on the fringe. I knew him for a
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Speaker 3: friend of a friend and we'd see each other in
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Speaker 3: a pub and go all right, but yeah, yeah, good.
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Speaker 3: And anyway, I said, what what's this about. He said, oh,
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Speaker 3: he's been arrested for cocaine dealing and put possession of
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Speaker 3: firearm and we found your business card at his premises.
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Speaker 3: And I said, well that's not surprising because I put
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Speaker 3: my business card in every book that I sell, and
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Speaker 3: as I've just released a book. I've been giving him
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Speaker 3: out willy nilly, you know, done book present, present pats,
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Speaker 3: signings in shops. And then I remembered who Because I
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Speaker 3: knew who the guy was, I remembered we we'd met
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Speaker 3: in a pub called the Union Rooms in Plymouth. He'd
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Speaker 3: come up said, Chris, congrats on your latest book. Mate.
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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, look, there's a there's my business
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Speaker 3: card if you want to grab a copy. Sorry, Clive,
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Speaker 3: long winded. Way of what I'm trying to say is
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Speaker 3: the fucking Rosas had the audacity to phone me in
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Speaker 3: my workplace right about Obviously, I refused to go to
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Speaker 3: the police station. I said, what, I'm going to be
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Speaker 3: arrested for every crime that anyone who's ever read one
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Speaker 3: of my books is that. It's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: They was for a voluntary interview, did they? Oh?
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Speaker 3: They wanted me to go to the cop shot. I
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Speaker 3: told them to get lost. You know, I do that
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Speaker 3: in every scenario like that. I'd done it on the
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Speaker 3: train the other I was apprehended on the train because
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Speaker 3: I'd forgot my veteran's rail ticket card. And she said,
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Speaker 3: you know, can I call? Can I interview? And I
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Speaker 3: was like, you can hinter. You know, I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: it unless you're going to throw me off the train.
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Speaker 3: I've got to get to London. It was for a
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Speaker 3: tea the gb News interview. I said, I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: anything to you anyway. What I'm saying, Clive is they
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Speaker 3: clearly use the information off that census to implement.
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Speaker 2: You know, You're right, we do it to ourselves, don't we.
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Speaker 2: Like you filled out those forums, you gave it to them.
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Speaker 2: It's like what we do as citizens is we they
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Speaker 2: give us a gun, we load the ammunition, give them
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Speaker 2: the gun back and get them to point at us.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what we do, and that's what we do
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Speaker 2: in general speaking. So one of the tricks they the police,
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Speaker 2: and obviously they don't really understand this the average constable
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Speaker 2: on the street. But by calling you mister Thrall, now
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Speaker 2: he's put you as a citizen of the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: Now you may well be, but if you're not, like
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Speaker 2: I'm not a citizen of the United Kingdom. So if
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Speaker 2: they start calling as soon as someone starts calling you
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Speaker 2: mister Edwards and mister Thrill, what they're doing is attempting
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Speaker 2: to stick liability on you for something that they've got
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Speaker 2: to coming down the pipe. None of your friends call
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Speaker 2: you mister thrall, do they? There's now the.
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Speaker 3: Problem is the problem, so on the baby. Yeah, off
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Speaker 3: the back of this, like, I've never filled an electoral thing,
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Speaker 3: even though it says there's a five pousand pound fine
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Speaker 3: if you don't give us your details. That goes straight
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Speaker 3: in the bin.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never voted. I will never vote for my
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Speaker 3: own slavery. I think it's fucking stupid. However, very lovely
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Speaker 3: man that I know called Graham Moore known as Daddy
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Speaker 3: Dragon online. I have a huge amount of respect for him.
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Speaker 3: He said the other day in our podcast. No you
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Speaker 3: have to register to vote because then you can spoil
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Speaker 3: your ballot. Now I'm going to say, with all respect
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Speaker 3: to Graham, my jury's out on that one, mate. You know,
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm I not not just because I think if
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Speaker 3: you did that in Plymouth, they'd look at that ballot,
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Speaker 3: laugh and throw it in the bin. They wouldn't give
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Speaker 3: a shit, you know. I don't think they'd even understand
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Speaker 3: like what it what it meant. So what would you
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Speaker 3: have to say about that? Just just I'm just curious.
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Speaker 2: I also spoke with Graham. I know Graham, He's a
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Speaker 2: cracking chap so yeah, but all I can talk about
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Speaker 2: is my journey through the law and what I've understood.
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to explain why why you're right, in
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Speaker 2: my opinion, to be hesitant about that, because in the
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Speaker 2: the the apparatus of state, there's two positions you can
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Speaker 2: be in at law. Chris Thrall can be a citizen
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Speaker 2: of the United Kingdom or one of the people. You
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Speaker 2: cannot be both, all right, So I'll explain now what
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Speaker 2: those jurisdictions are, and then I'll get back to, like
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Speaker 2: my situation, how I use this information to defeat the
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Speaker 2: council and build a build a farm in Somerset without
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Speaker 2: planning permission. I told him I was going to do
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Speaker 2: it as well. I wrote him a letter and said, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to build a house on this field. If
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Speaker 2: you've got any problem with it, let me know. And
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Speaker 2: they never ever let me know. They never objected to it.
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Speaker 2: So and it's part of the information that I'm going
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Speaker 2: to explain about what you've touched upon there about this
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Speaker 2: electoral register, because you've made an also another important point,
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Speaker 2: just because you have never voted, doesn't mean you might
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Speaker 2: not have had. People can sometimes apply to beyond the
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Speaker 2: electoral register and never vote, but you're still on the register.
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Speaker 2: That's still the consent. So if you have done that
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Speaker 2: at some point in the past, maybe when you're eighteen,
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Speaker 2: when you're eligible, you're still on there as a UK citizen.
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Speaker 2: So that's just something to put out there for your audience.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, the King of England, King Charles, at his coronation,
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Speaker 2: he physically wears two crowns of office. One crown is
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Speaker 2: the Crown of God. It's a Saint Edward Crime and
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Speaker 2: that's done in a little private ceremony in the coronation.
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Speaker 2: That is the crowd of God. That is the hat
17:36
Speaker 2: he wears when he's for his jurisdiction of over God's people,
17:40
Speaker 2: to serve God's people. The other crown he wears is
17:42
Speaker 2: the Imperial Crime, and that Imperial means Roman, so that's
17:46
Speaker 2: the Roman crown of state. Because civil law state is
17:49
Speaker 2: run under civil law and civil law is Roman law,
17:52
Speaker 2: so that was still under the Roman under the Roman law.
17:57
Speaker 2: So he literally wears two crowds of office, one for
17:59
Speaker 2: p pulled, one for persons citizens of the United Kingdom
18:02
Speaker 2: and known as persons. Okay, So then that goes down
18:05
Speaker 2: the next level down that we're likely to bump into,
18:07
Speaker 2: like you with the police and the court's experience, and
18:11
Speaker 2: myself with not complying with a planning notice. The judges
18:15
Speaker 2: also swear two oaths. One is an oath swearing allegiance
18:19
Speaker 2: to the King. That's to do with his role under
18:22
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom with the citizens. The other oath is
18:25
Speaker 2: towards God and there's a maximum of law that says
18:28
Speaker 2: judges judge for God. Okay, so judge just like the king.
18:31
Speaker 2: The King's the king astrides two jurisdictions for people and persons,
18:35
Speaker 2: and for a judge it's the same. That's why he
18:37
Speaker 2: swears two oaths, and that then goes down to you.
18:41
Speaker 2: A police constable is also a police officer. I don't
18:43
Speaker 2: know how many people understand that, but a police officer
18:46
Speaker 2: his role is no more. His role is to enforce
18:50
Speaker 2: the policies of the United Kingdom. So if you've got
18:54
Speaker 2: to tell light out on your car, or you know,
18:56
Speaker 2: you jump the red light, whatever, a police officer his
18:59
Speaker 2: role is to make sure sure that you're following the
19:01
Speaker 2: acts and statutes the policies of the United Kingdom. Whereas
19:04
Speaker 2: a constable that's a separate office. It's one guy or girl,
19:09
Speaker 2: but with two officers of state, just like the king
19:11
Speaker 2: has two crowns, two crowns of state, two offices. So
19:14
Speaker 2: a police constable that's where the officer gets his powers
19:18
Speaker 2: of a restaurant. Without the office of constable, a police
19:20
Speaker 2: officer has no more power than me or you. In fact,
19:24
Speaker 2: a constable has no more power than me. You could
19:26
Speaker 2: do a citizen's arrest just as well as I can.
19:29
Speaker 2: These people have no more powers than you or I do.
19:31
Speaker 2: In fact, not only do they have no more powers,
19:34
Speaker 2: they've also got a liability. They've got a duty to us.
19:37
Speaker 2: Because of police constable's oath, he is sworn to protect
19:40
Speaker 2: people and property. So again we're going to those two jurisdictions.
19:44
Speaker 2: He's sworn to protect the people. That's me. I'm one
19:47
Speaker 2: of the people. I'm not one of the citizens. And
19:48
Speaker 2: that rolls down to your local council. Your local council
19:51
Speaker 2: in Plymouth it's got a constitution just like mine in
19:54
Speaker 2: Somerset has. Every council around the country has a document
19:57
Speaker 2: called a constitution. It's about two or three hundred pages long.
20:00
Speaker 2: Now in this constitution, I've evidenced it here on this
20:02
Speaker 2: webpage that we'll share with you know, with part of
20:05
Speaker 2: this discussion. If you scroll down, you'll see the Council's Constitution,
20:09
Speaker 2: Section three. Members of the Council. All right, there's two
20:12
Speaker 2: pages down. I've got arrows and I've got red boxes
20:15
Speaker 2: highlighting this. It talks about in this constitution the electorate
20:20
Speaker 2: and the people. Now that's an important distinction. So it
20:22
Speaker 2: goes back to the electoral register. That's why they're known
20:25
Speaker 2: as the electorate in this constitution. If the electorate elect people,
20:29
Speaker 2: it's has to do with the political side of the
20:32
Speaker 2: United Kingdom, and it also mentions the people. Okay, so
20:36
Speaker 2: I pointed out to my local council, Hey, stop what
20:39
Speaker 2: you're doing. I'm one of the people. They're accountable to
20:44
Speaker 2: the people. They're not accountable to the commoners to the electorate. Now,
20:48
Speaker 2: these are really seriously important distinctions, Chris, that a lot
20:51
Speaker 2: of your audience will do well to remember, Like next
20:54
Speaker 2: time they go to a protest and things like this.
20:57
Speaker 2: If you're protesting, as you know, a citizen United Kingdom
21:00
Speaker 2: like that is you're in the worst possible position like
21:03
Speaker 2: I was when I had started had my initial running
21:06
Speaker 2: with the local council, I was in the worst possible position.
21:09
Speaker 2: I was in the illusion as you as you rightly
21:11
Speaker 2: call it, and I was just an ordinary citizen. Then
21:14
Speaker 2: the state came came up and got right up front
21:17
Speaker 2: in personal to me, and the end result could have
21:19
Speaker 2: been me going to prison if I didn't get this right.
21:21
Speaker 2: So understanding these things are crucial. Now, these are just
21:24
Speaker 2: a subtle difference, just subtly mentioned in this constitution. It
21:28
Speaker 2: says to to represent the needs of the electurer and
21:33
Speaker 2: the people. Now that is such a small passage in that,
21:37
Speaker 2: but it's huge. If you're one of the electurer, you
21:40
Speaker 2: have no you've got very little standing at law. But
21:43
Speaker 2: as one of the people, that is the highest place
21:45
Speaker 2: you can be in at law. So I started pointing
21:47
Speaker 2: this out to the local council, saying, hey, hang on
21:49
Speaker 2: a minute, guys. Your own constitution says that I'm one
21:53
Speaker 2: of says that you're accountable to the people. I'm one
21:57
Speaker 2: of the people under God. And although it took because
22:01
Speaker 2: and I started writing a few letters in so each
22:03
Speaker 2: council has got what is called a section one five
22:05
Speaker 2: to one officer, okay, And they've got independent persons. These
22:09
Speaker 2: are persons whose duty is to scrutinize the Council on
22:13
Speaker 2: their lawful that the lawful running of the council. So
22:16
Speaker 2: if they're acting outside of their constitution, then they're what's
22:19
Speaker 2: known as acting ultra vires. They're acting outside of the law.
22:23
Speaker 2: That a constitution binds the government and binds council, doesn't
22:26
Speaker 2: bind the citizens. So I use this document, this constitution,
22:30
Speaker 2: to bind the council and to free myself. So it's
22:33
Speaker 2: a really powerful document.
22:34
Speaker 3: Chris, what if you if I may ask this money
22:38
Speaker 3: that you owed? Did you get around that?
22:41
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I didn't actually get to that stage because
22:44
Speaker 2: they never ever wanted to. They got an expert in
22:46
Speaker 2: planning law to come in for my case to try
22:49
Speaker 2: and like nail me if you like. But because i'd
22:51
Speaker 2: understood a lot of this by now and understood some
22:53
Speaker 2: of the tricks the legal the legal society use against us,
22:56
Speaker 2: like calling us mister and and getting us to be
23:00
Speaker 2: citizens and fallen under their jurisdiction, I took myself out
23:03
Speaker 2: of their jurisdiction. I got back to being one of
23:05
Speaker 2: the people held them accountable. To their own laws and
23:09
Speaker 2: therefore they couldn't do anything about about it. So I
23:11
Speaker 2: asked this. I asked this expert a few simple questions,
23:15
Speaker 2: such as, have I got a right to a private life?
23:17
Speaker 2: And he nodded and said, yes, a people have got
23:20
Speaker 2: a right to a private life, But mister Thrall, as
23:22
Speaker 2: a citizen of the United Kingdom, that you don't have
23:25
Speaker 2: a right to a private life as a UK citizen.
23:28
Speaker 2: So I asked him some of these basic questions and
23:30
Speaker 2: in the end, basically their expert in planning agreed with
23:33
Speaker 2: my case. So and he said to said to me
23:35
Speaker 2: at the end of the meeting in front of witnesses,
23:37
Speaker 2: and it was recorded, he said, look like we're not
23:39
Speaker 2: going to take you to court. It's not going to happen.
23:41
Speaker 2: And because I asked them, I sent letters in writing saying, look,
23:45
Speaker 2: you've got your opinion on the law, I've got mine.
23:47
Speaker 2: Take me to court. Let's have this discussion in front
23:49
Speaker 2: of a judge. I was a bit ballsy about it,
23:51
Speaker 2: you know, but I was fairly confident in my position.
23:53
Speaker 2: And that's why I've got no problem coming out, I
23:56
Speaker 2: mean coming out onto the internet. Now I've recently done
23:58
Speaker 2: that in the last few months, because I feel the country,
24:01
Speaker 2: if you're like, it's going down the pan. And it's
24:03
Speaker 2: really important that the citizens of the United Kingdom understands
24:06
Speaker 2: some of these core aspects as to how they're being governed. Otherwise.
24:10
Speaker 2: See what's really important, Chris, it will resonate with you
24:14
Speaker 2: is if you're on the electoral roll and you're eligible
24:17
Speaker 2: for jury service, you're also eligible for war conscription. So
24:21
Speaker 2: a lot of these people out there, I see it
24:22
Speaker 2: on the internet on social media. Keer Starmer is not
24:25
Speaker 2: going to get me to go to war. Trust me.
24:27
Speaker 2: If you get war conscription and the state are coming
24:30
Speaker 2: after you, you'll be going the war. But I'm not
24:33
Speaker 2: on the electoral register and and I have no intention
24:36
Speaker 2: of fighting. And I'll go, I'll tell you, I'll go
24:39
Speaker 2: up out of the trenches. As soon as Kear Starmer
24:41
Speaker 2: goes over first shows me how it's done, I'll think
24:44
Speaker 2: about it. Then.
24:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, is a reminder. Sorry, I'm chuckling a bit. Reminded
24:49
Speaker 3: me of a Dug Stanhope line. He says, I've got
24:53
Speaker 3: nothing against the military, Like, I'm quite glad that they
24:58
Speaker 3: all get sent off to war. Excuse me, Yeah, no,
25:04
Speaker 3: it does you know, the more gullible you are for
25:07
Speaker 3: all this nonsense, all this medical nonsense and all this voting.
25:11
Speaker 3: I just think it's it's you know, I just think
25:14
Speaker 3: it's unhelpful. So Clive, sorry, I just want to like
25:18
Speaker 3: change tracks here a bit and get to the heart
25:21
Speaker 3: of something that I think is quite obvious. And that
25:25
Speaker 3: is especially during all the medical stuff, all the protests,
25:29
Speaker 3: we started to hear a lot about common law and
25:31
Speaker 3: magna carta and English constitution, and like I sort of
25:36
Speaker 3: get all of it. But the issue that I see,
25:42
Speaker 3: and we had this a lot, like I formed the
25:45
Speaker 3: Global Veterans Alliance or I certainly took over it just
25:49
Speaker 3: because I could see everybody was at odds to each
25:52
Speaker 3: other and the way they were behaving just meant they
25:55
Speaker 3: was going straight into a police cell. Really, they weren't
25:58
Speaker 3: going to help the worn't going to help the cause.
26:02
Speaker 3: So my question is, like, you've got all these legal
26:07
Speaker 3: professional people professing to understand the.
26:10
Speaker 2: Law lass online you mean, yeah, yeah, I mean.
26:14
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not that Yeah, you know common law,
26:17
Speaker 3: and they did, and they're all saying different stuff. I agree,
26:23
Speaker 3: and it's just unhelpful at what stages is can someone
26:28
Speaker 3: stand up, form an organized body and say, look, we
26:33
Speaker 3: will have differences, but we need to work through them
26:36
Speaker 3: to get to something which is actually going to help
26:39
Speaker 3: the people rather than just get us. You know X
26:43
Speaker 3: amount of thousand people's on a subscribers on a YouTube channel.
26:48
Speaker 3: But still, mate, he's out there, still so scared he's
26:52
Speaker 3: going to pay his council tax and so scared he's
26:55
Speaker 3: going to pay these pissy parking fine criminal charges.
27:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't agree more of what you just said, Chris,
27:03
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people anyone with a microphone
27:06
Speaker 2: in the camera iPhone can get on YouTube and start
27:09
Speaker 2: telling they're telling us their opinions on the on the
27:11
Speaker 2: law and as you said, the law. Get that gets
27:14
Speaker 2: pretty serious pretty quickly. There's a lot of people out
27:17
Speaker 2: there advising people about council tax and one thing another. Well,
27:20
Speaker 2: I don't know. You can get in big trouble quite
27:22
Speaker 2: quickly with counsel tax because you can be made bankrupt.
27:25
Speaker 2: I believe it's for over seven hundred and fifty quid
27:28
Speaker 2: well a couple of years with holding your counsel tax.
27:30
Speaker 2: They counsel then will make you bankrupt and put a
27:33
Speaker 2: charge on your house. Now I'm not saying with holding
27:36
Speaker 2: payment accounsel tax cannot be done, but I'm saying tread carefully.
27:40
Speaker 2: And so one thing I agree wholeheartedly with Graham Moore
27:43
Speaker 2: on is a lot of these common law advocates and
27:45
Speaker 2: magna carta people they are pushing in my opinion, they're
27:50
Speaker 2: not just in my opinion, in fact and in law.
27:52
Speaker 2: There's the wrong way of going about it. What Graham
27:55
Speaker 2: talks about is the English Constitution. That's a real thing,
27:58
Speaker 2: a real tangible thing. And I've written an article called
28:01
Speaker 2: the common common Law Trap for Commoners and a lot
28:04
Speaker 2: of commoners citizens fall into this common law traps pseudo
28:08
Speaker 2: it's pseudos. I'll use the phrase pseudo science is pseudo law.
28:12
Speaker 2: And I've been through that. I understand it very very well.
28:16
Speaker 2: It'll get you in some trouble. Okay, So you're right
28:19
Speaker 2: on that. And so what I talk about on via
28:22
Speaker 2: what my website is all evidence space. I defeated the
28:26
Speaker 2: Council by using the law. I use their constitution. So
28:29
Speaker 2: this isn't You don't need Clive Edwards to explain to
28:34
Speaker 2: to have an understanding of the law. You can just
28:37
Speaker 2: go straight to source and read the documents and understand it.
28:40
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It doesn't require me
28:42
Speaker 2: to be in the middle of it. That's how you
28:44
Speaker 2: know something's real and you can examine it and scrutinize it.
28:47
Speaker 2: If you can only understand this common law through your
28:50
Speaker 2: favorite common law guru, then you're not listening to something real.
28:54
Speaker 2: You're listening to guru. If it can only be interpretated
28:57
Speaker 2: by a bloke, then it's not real.
28:59
Speaker 3: Law.
29:00
Speaker 2: Law means you can go there, researcher, evidence it and
29:03
Speaker 2: scrutinize it. And that is what I evidenced write my website.
29:05
Speaker 2: So I defeated the Council using the law. The Bible
29:09
Speaker 2: is the highest authority on law in this land. There
29:11
Speaker 2: is an Act of Parliament called the Confession of Faith
29:14
Speaker 2: Ratification Act fifteen sixty it's still active today, that says
29:19
Speaker 2: the Bible is the infallible truth. An infallible means exempt
29:23
Speaker 2: from error, knowledge or opinion. So they've got an act
29:26
Speaker 2: of Parliament that says it's infallible the Bible, and you
29:30
Speaker 2: can use a Bible at court to defend yourself.
29:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's chubble is clive. It gets problematic because it
29:35
Speaker 3: is the truth, but you have to understand the code first,
29:39
Speaker 3: and no fucker does believe me because I know how
29:41
Speaker 3: much effort I've put into to learn in it. I say,
29:45
Speaker 3: no one, you know, you need to get up to
29:48
Speaker 3: speed with Kelly Marie Kerr, folks, if you're interested in
29:52
Speaker 3: Johns and Julian. They put a lot of work into
29:55
Speaker 3: this area, and as a result, we've got certain nations
29:59
Speaker 3: that shouldn't even exist, not only existing, but then herald
30:03
Speaker 3: in themselves as the Chosen Ones, you know, which is yeah, yeah,
30:08
Speaker 3: so sorry, I just want to chuck that in there,
30:10
Speaker 3: because it's I do believe God's law is of course,
30:14
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's the law of the universe. It's
30:17
Speaker 3: the the glue as it were, that holds everything to
30:22
Speaker 3: get together. True, do unto others what you would have
30:26
Speaker 3: done unto yourself, exactly.
30:29
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, no, And you're right. I agree with all that, Chris,
30:32
Speaker 2: especially like the so called chosen Ones that aren't. I mean,
30:36
Speaker 2: that's the biggest deception, and that's still Christian Zionism is
30:39
Speaker 2: a is an oxymoron. But I won't go down that
30:41
Speaker 2: rabbit hole just yet. Going back to the law, the
30:44
Speaker 2: Bible can be used at court to defend yourself. Now,
30:48
Speaker 2: I believe the Bible works on many levels. You can
30:50
Speaker 2: understand health, you can understand who and what you are,
30:53
Speaker 2: you can understand many things how society works, all from
30:56
Speaker 2: this one book. So it's an amazing document. But you
30:58
Speaker 2: can also use it to defend yourself in a court
31:01
Speaker 2: of law. But the Bible says you can have don't
31:04
Speaker 2: have any other masters. But yeah, sorry, no man can
31:07
Speaker 2: serve two masters. So that means you can't be under
31:10
Speaker 2: the King, Charles and God. So that goes back to
31:13
Speaker 2: this citizen and the people thing. Now I remove myself,
31:17
Speaker 2: I don't serve two masters. I remove myself from being
31:20
Speaker 2: under King Charles, and then I placed myself firmly back
31:23
Speaker 2: under the jurisdiction of the Bible, under the Lord God.
31:26
Speaker 2: And that is how I've been able. So as you say,
31:28
Speaker 2: some of these common law lot they can sound a
31:30
Speaker 2: little bit wacky, and that's you know, and they can't
31:34
Speaker 2: point to any anything to evidence what they're talking about.
31:39
Speaker 2: But I can always point to the Bible and all
31:41
Speaker 2: of the crown, all of the government, oppression, everything that
31:44
Speaker 2: all these citizens are feeling at the moment. The entire
31:47
Speaker 2: apparatus of the crown stands under the Bible. All of
31:50
Speaker 2: their top guys say, yeah, the Bible's true. They've even
31:52
Speaker 2: got an Act of Parliament that says it's true. So
31:55
Speaker 2: I just don't bother with the government side, and I
31:57
Speaker 2: just go straight to the Bible and say, you lot
31:59
Speaker 2: say this which is true, and I'm going to take
32:01
Speaker 2: it as the truth. And I'm going to live my
32:03
Speaker 2: life by what this book says. And that is how
32:05
Speaker 2: I've been enabled to build a farm without government interference.
32:10
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the history of the money money system?
32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, used.
32:17
Speaker 3: To be a simple system of exchange, that's all it was,
32:20
Speaker 3: with nothing about profit and usury and money lending, you know,
32:24
Speaker 3: until the Babylonian psychopaths took over it, infiltrated the system.
32:30
Speaker 3: And then you mentioned the Roman Empire. It's my belief
32:35
Speaker 3: that the merchants moved with.
32:37
Speaker 2: The empire went away.
32:39
Speaker 3: They underpinned it right, and they left there almost like
32:45
Speaker 3: esoteric systems of control. So when people say, oh, South
32:48
Speaker 3: Africa is free, they've got a black British like, don't
32:52
Speaker 3: work like that. It doesn't work like that. There's still
32:55
Speaker 3: controlled they've still got their you know, a cult, secret societies, organizations.
33:02
Speaker 3: They still manipulating people on blackmail. They're still manipulating the
33:07
Speaker 3: masses based on shame, guilt, you know, material gain and
33:13
Speaker 3: this kind of thing. So and the merchant's best trick
33:18
Speaker 3: is gaslighting.
33:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's happening now all around us, isn't it.
33:21
Speaker 3: And it's so easy to do now because let's be honest,
33:24
Speaker 3: how many people own their own mind?
33:27
Speaker 2: Not that's such a big thing.
33:28
Speaker 3: How many people have done what you've done. And I'm
33:31
Speaker 3: not bigging myself up here because I'm just universe, folks,
33:34
Speaker 3: I don't exist as a person. If you want to
33:36
Speaker 3: say I'm great or I'm ship, you're just wasting your breath.
33:40
Speaker 3: But during all that medical stuff, I couldn't go along
33:44
Speaker 3: with it because it's immoral and morality is following universal law,
33:49
Speaker 3: and it called that God just another word for good.
33:52
Speaker 2: You know.
33:53
Speaker 3: I couldn't set that example to my child, to see
33:56
Speaker 3: his dad going along with this evil. I know, not
34:01
Speaker 3: everyone gets it, and they think that they're heroes to
34:05
Speaker 3: a lot of blokes putting that silly thing on their
34:08
Speaker 3: face that was their Batman cake. That's the first time
34:12
Speaker 3: in their life that they ever got like recognized as
34:15
Speaker 3: a person. Was like, hey, look at me, folks, what
34:19
Speaker 3: a hero I am?
34:21
Speaker 2: And it's like that was mental warfare, right there, wouldn't it?
34:25
Speaker 2: You said about the captured mind? There was a lot
34:27
Speaker 2: of captured minds weren't there during that SiO?
34:30
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. And it's okay, I'm not having to
34:32
Speaker 3: go at people like I get it. I get how
34:35
Speaker 3: we've all been damaged so much and unrecognized because we've
34:39
Speaker 3: gone down the road of material game and sex shoved
34:45
Speaker 3: in our faces twenty four seven, all the you know,
34:51
Speaker 3: and thrust upon our kids. And what is essentially done
34:55
Speaker 3: is it stopped people connecting with their true worth, which
34:59
Speaker 3: is the divine. With divine beings, you don't need all
35:02
Speaker 3: that frivolity and titillation and fucking nonsense and fast cars
35:07
Speaker 3: and Instagram accounts and you know, it's all it's it's
35:13
Speaker 3: all gaslighting and control. So yes, I get it. Still
35:19
Speaker 3: not quite Sureclive. How other than the fact I think
35:23
Speaker 3: these conversations are great, how can we take this forward?
35:27
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a really good point, and not everyone will, Chris,
35:30
Speaker 2: because you talk a lot about legends and being warriors.
35:35
Speaker 2: And I've heard you say, which I think is really
35:37
Speaker 2: touching and really true, that being a warrior can mean
35:40
Speaker 2: just being a good dad, and that's powerful.
35:43
Speaker 3: Can I just jump in there, mate, being a warrior
35:47
Speaker 3: if the only thing you do in life is be
35:50
Speaker 3: a good dad, spend time with the kids, listen to them,
35:54
Speaker 3: don't tell them what to do all the time, you
35:57
Speaker 3: are preventing so much child childhood trauma, the trauma that
36:02
Speaker 3: still affects old geezers like me till this day. Still
36:06
Speaker 3: means that, you know, we've got to work on this
36:09
Speaker 3: various coping mechanisms. So yeah, very good point, mate.
36:13
Speaker 2: And I've heard you say you don't have to like
36:15
Speaker 2: and I was just so refreshing to here someone from
36:17
Speaker 2: the military say, like, you don't have to join up
36:20
Speaker 2: go killing some kids your own age in another country.
36:23
Speaker 2: You can do this. You can be a warrior by
36:25
Speaker 2: being a good dad and standing up to the government
36:27
Speaker 2: they're acting and morally everything you just spoke about. And
36:31
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent behind that. You can be a
36:33
Speaker 2: warrior today if you decide that, you know, like I did,
36:37
Speaker 2: I had to make a choice. Am I gonna be
36:39
Speaker 2: crushed by the council here and lose everything that I
36:42
Speaker 2: thought I had, or am I gonna make a stand
36:45
Speaker 2: and educate myself. It doesn't mean you have to run
36:47
Speaker 2: out and be violent. It means if you the government
36:50
Speaker 2: loves violence, they can deal with that or day in,
36:53
Speaker 2: day out, they've got they got all the state operators
36:56
Speaker 2: to deal with that. What they can't deal with is
36:58
Speaker 2: people thinking outside the box. That is a problem to them.
37:01
Speaker 2: And that's why all these YouTube accounts and we were
37:04
Speaker 2: all aware of all these accounts getting shut down because
37:06
Speaker 2: you're not a going to say certain things that gets
37:08
Speaker 2: people thinking outside the box. Well, doing what I've done,
37:11
Speaker 2: people are so shocked at what I've done, but anyone
37:14
Speaker 2: can do it. You can be a warrior and do
37:16
Speaker 2: that tomorrow. So I'm all behind that. Yeah, that ethos,
37:20
Speaker 2: that thought process.
37:22
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Let's just talk about something that's affected me quite
37:25
Speaker 3: a lot of these bloody parking fines. I cannot honestly
37:30
Speaker 3: say every time I've ever had one, it's been an
37:33
Speaker 3: innocent accident. I don't go out to break I know
37:37
Speaker 3: it's not law, but do you know what I mean?
37:39
Speaker 3: Go out people off? It's that I drove to me
37:42
Speaker 3: doctor's surgery. For example, I pulled up part of the
37:45
Speaker 3: car c Live. I'm looking out the window. There the
37:48
Speaker 3: sign they put up to say that they've now got
37:51
Speaker 3: this clamping system and that I had to register my
37:55
Speaker 3: car with the sign was up there. So I physically
37:58
Speaker 3: literally did not see the sign.
38:01
Speaker 2: Right.
38:01
Speaker 3: That's not my fault. And unless you say, Chris, you're
38:05
Speaker 3: a twat. But but you'd imagine that a lot of
38:08
Speaker 3: people did the same. I then walked into the surgery.
38:12
Speaker 3: And everyone has different abilities, don't they. One of my abilities, Clive,
38:17
Speaker 3: is not reading every single sign that's in the you know,
38:20
Speaker 3: not when you're not expecting it. If it was if
38:23
Speaker 3: it was a new car park, I would look, wouldn't
38:27
Speaker 3: I Because I'd be like, oh, I wonder what the
38:28
Speaker 3: parking restrictions are. I wonder what I've got to do.
38:31
Speaker 3: But when it's your doctor surgery, you've been to for
38:34
Speaker 3: the last six years and you've always just parked and
38:37
Speaker 3: gone inside. So I got so that one there's still
38:41
Speaker 3: there's still after me for it, and that's been I
38:44
Speaker 3: can help you with that, Chris. That's been about four
38:47
Speaker 3: years now. The other one they got me for and
38:50
Speaker 3: in the end I got a County Court judgment because
38:53
Speaker 3: I just refused to pay it. It went up and
38:56
Speaker 3: up and up. And then what happened was it when
39:00
Speaker 3: to this court there weren't even a court. It was
39:02
Speaker 3: like a business center in Birmingham, Okay. And I just
39:06
Speaker 3: said I have never had any I use that expression
39:10
Speaker 3: that the common law people say will work. Basically, I said,
39:15
Speaker 3: I have never entered into a contract with these people.
39:18
Speaker 3: Right now, here's a think live. They didn't know who
39:22
Speaker 3: was driving that car. They didn't know what the circumstances were.
39:26
Speaker 3: They couldn't prove it, They had no information. They just
39:29
Speaker 3: knew that there was a car parked over the line.
39:31
Speaker 2: Right.
39:32
Speaker 3: These lines, incidentally were block paving. You can't see the
39:36
Speaker 3: line from the thing because there it's like it's thirty
39:40
Speaker 3: years old now or something.
39:41
Speaker 2: Right, I'll pay you a few points on that if
39:44
Speaker 2: you like so. I often say to my daughter, put
39:46
Speaker 2: the kettle on, monkey, and she only fell for it once. Mind, Jae,
39:49
Speaker 2: she's not dass. So she put the kettle on. I said, oh,
39:51
Speaker 2: you admit to being a monkey. Then now you responding
39:55
Speaker 2: as you did to that business center is the same
39:57
Speaker 2: as put the kettle on, monkey. Matter what you put
40:01
Speaker 2: down in writing. The fact you responded means you accept
40:04
Speaker 2: everything else all right. So the only discussion to be
40:08
Speaker 2: had when you get a letter from the business center
40:10
Speaker 2: is this is I'm not mister Frale. You've written it
40:12
Speaker 2: to the wrong name. So some of the big mistakes
40:15
Speaker 2: that motorists out there, and this will help a few motorists,
40:17
Speaker 2: but we do it all to ourselves. Just like the
40:19
Speaker 2: census we spoke about, you got on your The only
40:22
Speaker 2: reason you're getting so much liability in grief coming to
40:24
Speaker 2: your doorstep is because you invited them there. On the
40:27
Speaker 2: V five. You've put on the V five name Chris Thrall,
40:30
Speaker 2: and then then the address. That is your first mistake
40:34
Speaker 2: I don't put. Well, listen if the crime, if the
40:37
Speaker 2: crime can make up a name, mister Thrall, Because if
40:40
Speaker 2: I put a gun to your head now and said
40:42
Speaker 2: prove to me your name's mister Thrall, there is not
40:44
Speaker 2: one piece of documentation you can find anywhere that you've
40:47
Speaker 2: ever had that will be able to prove to me
40:50
Speaker 2: your name is mister Thrill. Okay, So if the crime
40:53
Speaker 2: can make up a name, mister Thrall's are made up name,
40:56
Speaker 2: and they can make up a postal address. Why can't you? Now,
40:59
Speaker 2: I won't go too much in let me. I'll divert
41:03
Speaker 2: a second there. But that gives your audience something to
41:05
Speaker 2: think about. A lot of capillary AAD members on our
41:07
Speaker 2: Facebook group will know the answers to that. But but
41:10
Speaker 2: I'll give you another solution. I'll prove how the Bible.
41:13
Speaker 2: I've helped people with parking tickets using the Bible. Okay,
41:16
Speaker 2: so here we go. Says in the Bible that the
41:18
Speaker 2: land is mine forever, it shall not be bought or sold.
41:21
Speaker 2: And that's the Lord God speaking says the land is
41:23
Speaker 2: mine forever, it shall not be bought or sold. So
41:25
Speaker 2: what I've helped friends of mine with is knowing this
41:29
Speaker 2: quote from the Bible. You just take in law that
41:32
Speaker 2: you can take. A court is only required when someone
41:35
Speaker 2: says no or doesn't offer remedy. So it's like they'll
41:38
Speaker 2: have to drag you before a court. So then a
41:40
Speaker 2: judge will get off a remedy. So take away the
41:43
Speaker 2: no and take away and offer remedy. So by that,
41:46
Speaker 2: I mean if you get a parking ticket, you can
41:48
Speaker 2: say yes, I'll pay, So you're not saying no, you'll
41:52
Speaker 2: say yes, i'll pay. But and here's the butt says
41:55
Speaker 2: in the Bible and the bearing in mind their own
41:57
Speaker 2: Acts of Parliament, says that the Bible is the infallible truths.
42:00
Speaker 2: There's no question about it. That book is true even
42:03
Speaker 2: by the legal standards. If the Bible's true and God
42:06
Speaker 2: owns the land, then right back to these parking people
42:09
Speaker 2: and say, I'll be happy to pay the fine as
42:12
Speaker 2: long as you provide proof that you're acting for the owner.
42:15
Speaker 2: Provide proof of ownership that you own the land. They
42:17
Speaker 2: can't do it because they don't own the land. A
42:19
Speaker 2: title is not proof of ownership. Says that on your
42:21
Speaker 2: V five says that on every V five document, the
42:24
Speaker 2: title is not proof of ownership. This title does not
42:27
Speaker 2: prove that you own the car. So just use their
42:29
Speaker 2: use it back against them. And I've done that with
42:31
Speaker 2: friends of mine. Some of them are actually hit ex
42:33
Speaker 2: forces themselves. And I just said, yeah, tell them, you'll
42:37
Speaker 2: pay the fine on the condition that you provide proof
42:39
Speaker 2: of ownership. Prove to me, because they the letter will come,
42:42
Speaker 2: so it'll say we're acting on behalf of the landowners.
42:45
Speaker 2: You overstage. You welcome, now pay us sixty quid. So
42:49
Speaker 2: the response to that is, I don't accept your allegation. However,
42:53
Speaker 2: I will pay the fine as long as you can
42:56
Speaker 2: prove to me that this isn't a scam and that
42:58
Speaker 2: your client does in the land. It's impossible. Clive.
43:03
Speaker 3: On that note, and let's chat again, because you're you're
43:08
Speaker 3: making a lot of sense. I know people will want
43:10
Speaker 3: to have you back on the show, but I just
43:13
Speaker 3: want to bring it back to that thing about a
43:14
Speaker 3: coordinated United approach. And I say that because the other
43:19
Speaker 3: day I joined the Free Speech Union for twenty nine
43:23
Speaker 3: quid a year. Why would you not, do you know
43:25
Speaker 3: what I mean? And I know that they helped my
43:28
Speaker 3: Royal Marines buddy Jamie Michael when he was put in
43:30
Speaker 3: prison for a Facebook post. Okay, this is a you know,
43:35
Speaker 3: I'm not big enough war, but this is a guy
43:37
Speaker 3: that served on the front line for you know, allegedly
43:41
Speaker 3: served on the front line for his country. Sorry, that's
43:46
Speaker 3: not making sense to people. What I mean is, you know,
43:48
Speaker 3: who are we actually fighting for? And so I thought
43:53
Speaker 3: that was great. I thought it's great that there's a
43:56
Speaker 3: body out there that actually knows their shit and they
44:00
Speaker 3: is doing stuff for the people. So just to bring
44:03
Speaker 3: it back to you.
44:04
Speaker 2: What am I doing for the people?
44:05
Speaker 3: No, I don't, I don't. I'm not pointing at you.
44:08
Speaker 3: You don't have to do.
44:08
Speaker 1: You know.
44:09
Speaker 2: It's a fair question. It's a fair question. That's why
44:11
Speaker 2: I might here now in the public, Chris. That is
44:13
Speaker 2: why I'm so grateful for a platforms such as yourself
44:15
Speaker 2: to let me come on and say a few and
44:17
Speaker 2: explain a few of these things, because that is what
44:19
Speaker 2: I decided to do. I could have stayed on my
44:21
Speaker 2: little farm, my little small holding in Somerset, and taken
44:24
Speaker 2: all this information to the grave, but I decided to
44:27
Speaker 2: make myself a target to put me head above the
44:29
Speaker 2: parapet and explain to some of the citizens of the
44:32
Speaker 2: United Kingdom where they're going wrong. And your your friend
44:35
Speaker 2: who's ex military, he'll be a citizen of the United Kingdom,
44:38
Speaker 2: that he'll be a commoner. And that's as a commoner,
44:41
Speaker 2: he's got no standing at law, like they can do
44:44
Speaker 2: whatever to their commoners. So yeah, I might here doing
44:47
Speaker 2: my bit, Chris, And you're right, But the thing is
44:49
Speaker 2: that how many people do you know that's built of farming?
44:51
Speaker 2: By that, I mean how many people have been there,
44:53
Speaker 2: done it and got the T shirt. It's a very few.
44:56
Speaker 2: You could call it an elite few. I don't know,
44:59
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They're the ones to listen to.
45:01
Speaker 2: I think the people that have been there and done it.
45:02
Speaker 2: Like if I want to know about the services and
45:04
Speaker 2: the boat climbing everest, I'll come and have a chat
45:06
Speaker 2: with you. If you want to know how to build
45:07
Speaker 2: a fireman on your piece of field, come and have
45:09
Speaker 2: a chat with me.
45:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my take on life exactly, Clive. What I
45:14
Speaker 3: will say, and I'm just putting this out there as
45:17
Speaker 3: a learning point for all of us, is if you
45:20
Speaker 3: got together with a load of other people that are
45:23
Speaker 3: in your field, what happens is and don't let me
45:26
Speaker 3: let this put you off. But I'm just saying this
45:29
Speaker 3: was like the Global Veterans Alliance is the people that
45:32
Speaker 3: have interest in these fields are all people that have
45:35
Speaker 3: been quite damaged in there. You know, they've been through
45:37
Speaker 3: a lot of shit in their life. Yeah, and as
45:39
Speaker 3: a result, not everyone's made the step into spirituality, which
45:43
Speaker 3: is getting ego in check. Yes, And it definitely was
45:50
Speaker 3: like you know, it was these things become like one
45:54
Speaker 3: big Irish Parliament and for friends out there that don't
45:57
Speaker 3: know what Irish Parliament is. I think it's a minute expression.
46:00
Speaker 3: It means where every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks that
46:03
Speaker 3: they're right and no one's ego will allow them to go,
46:07
Speaker 3: hang on, let's do what's best for God, for the people,
46:11
Speaker 3: for the divine rather than what you know. And it
46:15
Speaker 3: does mean that people have to say, do you know
46:17
Speaker 3: what all this shit that I've studied for years might
46:20
Speaker 3: be wrong or this particular angle. You know, It's cool
46:24
Speaker 3: being humble, isn't it.
46:25
Speaker 2: And so if it's a starting point for anyone on this,
46:28
Speaker 2: that's the starting point. If you can't admit you were wrong,
46:30
Speaker 2: Like I had to admit everything I thought about society
46:33
Speaker 2: was wrong and then I could grow from that.
46:35
Speaker 3: And communication is the other thing my experience. And I
46:39
Speaker 3: work a lot, in my case a lot with sort
46:42
Speaker 3: of veterans. I do a lot of the charity work
46:45
Speaker 3: and this kind of stuff and fuck me, grown blokes,
46:48
Speaker 3: well they're not grown Clive, you know. And I hold
46:52
Speaker 3: my hand up. There's probably countless times when I'm not
46:55
Speaker 3: a grown up. But I've gone my separate ways with
46:58
Speaker 3: people after sometimes like a five year working relationship where
47:04
Speaker 3: we spoke almost every single day and they let me
47:08
Speaker 3: know they're not coming back in a text. What does
47:10
Speaker 3: that tell you about where people's fucking heads are? You know,
47:15
Speaker 3: it's a lot of damage has been done to people,
47:19
Speaker 3: I think.
47:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you've got to be single minded as well.
47:23
Speaker 2: Like you say, perhaps you're offering a lot of help.
47:26
Speaker 2: You've been there, done it, so you can reach back
47:28
Speaker 2: and offer a lot of help. And I guess the
47:30
Speaker 2: similar could be said for me in a different field.
47:32
Speaker 2: Completely altogether, obviously, but I've been through the legal system.
47:35
Speaker 2: I've been through it all, and now I can reach
47:38
Speaker 2: back and help others and advise others, And yeah, I
47:41
Speaker 2: think that's important.
47:42
Speaker 3: Brilliant, all right, Clive. I would love to chat more,
47:46
Speaker 3: but you're I think you're the person who's coming after you.
47:50
Speaker 3: Either you or him is the first person ever to
47:53
Speaker 3: double book me in a podcast, meaning I've got back
47:56
Speaker 3: to back. I've never never had that before. So let's
48:01
Speaker 3: do a part two. Friends at Home. If you can
48:03
Speaker 3: put your questions below, tell us the things that you're
48:07
Speaker 3: interested in. As always, be polite, because what comes out
48:12
Speaker 3: of your mouth or your keyboard is reflective of where
48:15
Speaker 3: you are in life, not where Clive is or where
48:18
Speaker 3: I am, or you know where the law is or whatever,
48:22
Speaker 3: so keep things respectful and yes, Clive, all your links
48:27
Speaker 3: will be below this wonderful No one's ever done a
48:29
Speaker 3: website for me before, so thank you so much you
48:33
Speaker 3: put I can see you put an awful, awful, awful
48:36
Speaker 3: lot of effort into it as well.
48:38
Speaker 2: You're very welcome, but yeah.
48:40
Speaker 3: On behalf of me and my family mate. Thank you
48:42
Speaker 3: ever so much for what you're for what you're doing.
48:45
Speaker 2: That's great to chat with you, Chris. Lovely to meet you,
48:48
Speaker 2: and yeah, let's do it again.
48:49
Speaker 3: Brilliant stay on the line, brother, Just so I can
48:51
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