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Reckoning From Author And CEO Jim Minarik Tragedy Triumph And Trancendence Oh And Murder · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: It's Jim.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Jim. It's Arrow Collins. How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Good, Errol. How are you today?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely excited to share a conversation with you because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: your book is a page out of a chapter in
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  Speaker 1: your life. And I want listeners and readers to understand that,
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  Speaker 1: that it's not a legacy book or anything like that,
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  Speaker 1: but it really is something that you experienced. And, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, and to put it in writing, to relive
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  Speaker 1: it again, what was that like for you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Arrow, it was quite a journey. It was a
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  Speaker 3: three and a half year adventure. And originally it did
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  Speaker 3: start out as something that I thought for children and
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  Speaker 3: grandchildren and descendants, but it really turned into an exploration
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  Speaker 3: of what success is all about.
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  Speaker 2: What achieving your dreams means.
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  Speaker 3: And then what do you do once you've done that
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  Speaker 3: and you have achieved success? And the questions that I
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  Speaker 3: started to ask is what's beyond success?
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, and what did you find? Because I've written
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  Speaker 1: so much about it, and I've talked about it on
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  Speaker 1: iHeartRadio a lot. When you become the used-to-be, and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: am I? Because the Marines will tell you, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: used to be a Marine. I'm forever a Marine. Why
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  Speaker 1: don't we all have that case in attitude?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for much of my life, I believed
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  Speaker 3: if I worked hard enough and achieved enough, I could
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  Speaker 3: outrun the painful things in my past.
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  Speaker 2: And by most outward measures, I succeeded.
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  Speaker 3: I was a CEO for 25 years.
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  Speaker 2: I rang the bell on the NASDAQ.
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  Speaker 3: But I eventually had to face a tougher question. And
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  Speaker 3: that was, who am I when the achievements and.
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  Speaker 2: The titles come? Can't answer the questions anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And Reckoning is the story of what happened when I
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  Speaker 3: finally stopped running.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it will.
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  Speaker 3: Ring true with anyone who's ever looked at a life
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  Speaker 3: that seems good on paper but wondered, why doesn't it
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  Speaker 3: feel like it's enough?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Jim, don't you think that people are going to relate
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  Speaker 1: with this book because they're going to ask their own selves,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to go, wow, my own family or somebody
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  Speaker 1: that I know in my family, this could have happened
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  Speaker 1: to us at any given moment. Jim went through it.
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  Speaker 1: How in God's name didn't we go through it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Arrow, that's just a great question. And
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  Speaker 3: for anyone that's dealt with tragedy or depression or anxiety
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  Speaker 3: and either got through it or knows somebody that's going
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  Speaker 3: through it, There's a lot of things that I learned,
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  Speaker 3: whether it was through therapy, ultimately using some plant medicine,
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  Speaker 3: some tremendous counseling that I think could really be helpful.
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  Speaker 3: And that's my goal here, to be helpful to others
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  Speaker 3: who are dealing with both dealing with both life's challenges
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  Speaker 3: and the tremendous opportunities that we all have.
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  Speaker 1: And you put it in a way that isn't offensive.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, it's not a Debbie Downer. You put
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  Speaker 1: it in a way to where we can relate with
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  Speaker 1: it and we keep going to the next page, to
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  Speaker 1: the next page. And I love that about your writing
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  Speaker 1: is that it's like you were sitting physically with us going,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, there's something I want to add to that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's on the next page. And we do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you really do guide us through the story.
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  Speaker 2: No, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: As a first time author, I had a very good coach,
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  Speaker 3: but I really appreciate that comment. And I worked hard
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  Speaker 3: to be authentic throughout the writing process. And that was
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  Speaker 3: always my question when I would finish a chapter. It
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  Speaker 3: would be, is this true? Is this authentic? And is
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  Speaker 3: this helpful?
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  Speaker 1: You were 17 years old when this went down. And
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  Speaker 1: that is a pivotal time. I mean, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that they always teach us in radio is, is
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  Speaker 1: that when you're 17 to 19 years old, that is
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  Speaker 1: the most important time of anybody's life. And that, you
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  Speaker 1: were like right there at the core of it all,
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  Speaker 1: and you're still holding on to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was a very normal life growing up
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  Speaker 3: in western Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh. And my dad worked for U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Steel for 40 years. I had an older brother and
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  Speaker 3: a younger brother. And my older brother had a breakup
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  Speaker 3: with his fiancée. And something went terribly bad. My father
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  Speaker 3: found him holding a. 44 caliber pistol to his head
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  Speaker 3: and stopped him from killing himself. And unfortunately and very sadly,
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  Speaker 3: a few days later, he took the life of his fiance.
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  Speaker 3: And the story's in the book, but of course, the.
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  Speaker 2: First part is I realized I loved Rosemary.
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  Speaker 3: And the pain that was inflicted on her, her family,
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  Speaker 3: our families. And back at that time, there wasn't counseling.
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  Speaker 3: We just had to live through it and work through it.
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  Speaker 3: And as you mentioned, that was a pivotal time. And
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  Speaker 3: I kind of really thought my life was over. And
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, going from a happy kid at
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  Speaker 3: age 17 to should my life go on was a
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  Speaker 3: very real question.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a case of that your mind was trying
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  Speaker 1: to rewrite its own story, its own conclusion, and to
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  Speaker 1: figure out, you know, to basically be the armchair quarterback
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  Speaker 1: person doing the investigation?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was part of it. And part of it was,
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  Speaker 3: why didn't I do something? Why didn't I see something?
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  Speaker 3: Why didn't I say something? So there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of both conscious and unconscious second guessing. And then living
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  Speaker 3: through the reality of this story being in the newspaper
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  Speaker 3: and on television and going from this very middle class
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  Speaker 3: family to the front page of the papers was just
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  Speaker 3: very difficult to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: And I had to find my way through it, and
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: And as the book explains, I ended up going to
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  Speaker 3: Penn State and began to learn about business and really
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  Speaker 3: learned that by doing, doing a lot of doing, I
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  Speaker 3: could stay ahead of the pain. And the book talks
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  Speaker 3: a lot about the process of going from being a
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  Speaker 3: human doing, which I became incredibly good at, building my
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  Speaker 3: company to nearly a billion dollars, I was not as
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  Speaker 3: good as being a human being. And that is a
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  Speaker 3: big part of the story.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those things where I've got
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  Speaker 1: to really do a one-on-one question with you here in
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  Speaker 1: the way that, I mean, did that serve as fuel
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  Speaker 1: for you to go to Penn State and to grow
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  Speaker 1: from there? Because, I mean, and if that is what happened,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I wonder with all the people that I'm blessed
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  Speaker 1: to share a conversation with that maybe I should ask them,
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  Speaker 1: What are you hiding? Why do you think you have
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  Speaker 1: this success? What are you running away from to find
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  Speaker 1: what you think is the answer?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we all have our stories and I
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  Speaker 3: can only answer it for me.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: So much conscious as unconscious that I if I kept going,
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  Speaker 3: then I could stay ahead of the pain and not
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  Speaker 3: really address the core issue of what happened, why it happened.
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  Speaker 3: what my relationship was going to be like with my
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  Speaker 3: brother going forward. And as you know, from the book,
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  Speaker 3: my brother was incarcerated for 55 years and he served
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  Speaker 3: a sentence of life without parole, only passing away this
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  Speaker 3: past June.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's, it's one of the, and once again,
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  Speaker 1: we go back to that part where people are going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to relate with the story, because even
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  Speaker 1: with my own brother who was put in prison because
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  Speaker 1: he was addicted to meth and And have I forgiven him?
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  Speaker 1: I'm using your book to find that answer because I've
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  Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get back into this
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  Speaker 1: guy's life because mom gave us birth. She didn't give
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  Speaker 1: us separation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I encourage you to do that, Arrow, because
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  Speaker 3: in my case, it was very difficult and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: really forgive John.
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  Speaker 2: I continued to love him.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, in the end, even though he
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  Speaker 3: was convicted of this crime and he did the crime,
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  Speaker 3: He said to his dying day he had no recollection
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  Speaker 3: of actually doing it, and there was alcohol and drugs involved,
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  Speaker 3: but that never made it to court. But during his life,
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  Speaker 3: John then went on to help over 1,000 men get
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  Speaker 3: their GEDs, high school equivalents, their college degrees. He achieved
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  Speaker 3: a master's degree in psychology from the University of Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 2: He created, along with Mr. Rogers, Fred Rogers of Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 2: the first prison.
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  Speaker 3: children's visiting rooms that eventually rolled throughout the state.
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  Speaker 2: So he could.
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  Speaker 3: Never undo the worst thing that he did in his life,
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  Speaker 3: but he tried to demonstrate that he was more than
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  Speaker 3: the worst thing he ever did.
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  Speaker 1: How do you deal with that in the way that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, with you just sharing that story with me,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I'm back with my pastor, Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Furtick from Elevation, that goes that the most greatest things
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  Speaker 1: that happen in life come from the paths of darkness
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  Speaker 1: and doubt. And I sit here and I listen to
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  Speaker 1: and I read the story like this about your brother
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going, my God, this is a biblical story
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  Speaker 1: right here in front of our face. If we do
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  Speaker 1: not sit here and learn from this and that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just because there's a major crime doesn't mean we have
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  Speaker 1: to turn things off. Let's figure it out. Let's continue
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  Speaker 1: to love.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Iroh, so beautifully stated.
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  Speaker 3: And as a result of this with my brother, I've
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  Speaker 3: learned about something that about our justice system, which has
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  Speaker 3: very little forgiveness or redemption or mercy in it. And
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  Speaker 3: as the book explains, at the end of his life,
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  Speaker 3: my brother had sepsis and pneumonia and was unconscious for
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  Speaker 3: four weeks.
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  Speaker 2: He was in a hospital, in.
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  Speaker 3: An intensive care unit outside the prison, and they still
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  Speaker 3: had his hand shackled to the bed as well as
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  Speaker 3: his leg. The man couldn't breathe on his own, certainly
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  Speaker 3: couldn't stand, couldn't talk, was unconscious. And I began to
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  Speaker 3: ask myself the question, is this what the people of
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  Speaker 3: this state, this country really want.
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  Speaker 2: Being done in our name? And yes, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, he did a terrible crime, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: think most human beings would want that to be the
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  Speaker 3: way that their wills are being carried out.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. Jim Minerick is coming right back.
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  Speaker 1: The name of the book, Reckoning. We are back with
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  Speaker 1: author Jim Minerick. One of the things that gets me
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  Speaker 1: right in the heart, because I am a broadcaster of
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  Speaker 1: 47 years, there have been many times that we have
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  Speaker 1: covered stories and I have stood up and said, don't
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  Speaker 1: do this one. Don't do this one. And they would
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  Speaker 1: sit there and they would tell me over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: it's the news, you got to. And I would say,
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  Speaker 1: protect the family. Please protect the family. And this is
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  Speaker 1: one of those stories that was in the media over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over again. And I just felt like
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes the media overdoes it because they're shooting for
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  Speaker 1: the ratings and people to buy the magazines and the papers. Whereas,
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  Speaker 1: what about the family? And that's where my heart has
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  Speaker 1: always been. What about the family? Protect the family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly agree with that. And as I think
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  Speaker 3: back as a young man, I was terrified. It terrified me.
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  Speaker 3: I thought somebody was going to come in our house
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  Speaker 3: and kill me and kill my family. And nobody at
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  Speaker 3: the time said, you guys should get some counseling. And
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  Speaker 3: as I do explain in the book, I did go
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  Speaker 3: to our church and I asked the pastor if he
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  Speaker 3: could come and spend some time with my mom, who
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  Speaker 3: was a devout Catholic pastor. And he said to me, Jim,
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  Speaker 3: I can't do that, but I'll pray with you here.
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  Speaker 3: And I felt as though that was the final evidence
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  Speaker 3: that we were now unsalvageable.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a devastating blow.
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  Speaker 3: And when I look back on it, it's still almost
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  Speaker 3: unimaginable how my parents managed to get through. And the reason,
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  Speaker 3: the only reason they got through is they had two
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  Speaker 3: younger boys that they really loved and wanted to see
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  Speaker 3: have some kind of lives.
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  Speaker 2: But of course, as a parent, one never really recovers
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  Speaker 2: from that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things that's happened with your book, Jim,
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  Speaker 1: and I would love to see other readers and listeners
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  Speaker 1: and see how they're going to react, is that you
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  Speaker 1: inspired a heavy-duty research and story that I did on iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: And that is, it's the way that I took this.
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  Speaker 1: It's tragedy plus triumph plus transcendence. And I go, in
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  Speaker 1: the writing, I go, one crime, a lifetime of wait.
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  Speaker 1: But the word I wanted to put in there, though,
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  Speaker 1: was W-A-I-T and not wait, W-E-I-G-H-T. Because I believe that
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  Speaker 1: what goes on in a situation, there is more waiting
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  Speaker 1: than the wait on our hearts. Am I wrong in
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  Speaker 1: thinking like that? And that's what I put the emphasis
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  Speaker 1: on was that four-letter word and not this one here, W-E-I-G-H-T.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. And part of
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  Speaker 3: it is waiting. Part of it is just waiting for
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  Speaker 3: clarity to come through. And then, as I explained during
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  Speaker 3: the transcendence section, some of the tremendous people that helped
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  Speaker 3: me navigate working through how my neural pathways were so
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  Speaker 3: programmed to achieve success and build shareholder value.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And I really wanted to figure out what is beyond success.
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  Speaker 3: And that's something maybe a lot of people don't think about,
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  Speaker 3: but we.
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  Speaker 2: All have varying degrees of success in our lives.
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  Speaker 3: And as we reach retirement and our later years, it's
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  Speaker 3: really important to spend some time in thinking about what's
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  Speaker 3: beyond work. And I try to deal with that in
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  Speaker 3: the book. And it certainly was a cathartic process for me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you hit us up with a serious question here, dude.
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  Speaker 1: When the title goes away. Yeah. When the title goes away,
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  Speaker 1: what's next?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And for me, I made a conscious decision a decade
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  Speaker 3: ago that I wanted to retire as the CEO and
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  Speaker 3: chairman of a near, at the time, half billion dollar company.
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  Speaker 3: And I wanted to get out. I wanted to see
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  Speaker 3: what else I could do in life. And I had
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  Speaker 3: about two weeks of joy. And then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: I was I was in big trouble with a severe
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  Speaker 3: case of anxiety and depression and I could not understand it.
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  Speaker 2: It made no sense. The book really explains.
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  Speaker 3: I came to understand what was going on and how
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  Speaker 3: common it is, because with most male executives, especially if
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  Speaker 3: they work that long and that hard, what happens is
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  Speaker 3: they retire.
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  Speaker 2: And then, you know what they do, Arrow?
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  Speaker 1: They shrivel up.
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  Speaker 2: They shrivel up and die.
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  Speaker 3: They do. And I'm very proud to say I had
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  Speaker 3: a very rough patch.
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  Speaker 2: But 10 years later, we continue.
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  Speaker 3: To travel the world, enjoy, meet new people, get great
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  Speaker 3: opportunities to talk to people like you.
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  Speaker 2: And in this case, share my story through reckoning.
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  Speaker 1: How important was the writing? Not necessarily writing this book.
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  Speaker 1: Did you pick up a journal? Did you document things?
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  Speaker 1: Did you defrag, as I call it? In other words,
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  Speaker 1: breaking it down, asking yourself the questions, and then questioning
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  Speaker 1: those answers.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 3: I began thinking I was going to write something for
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  Speaker 3: the kids, grandkids, descendants.
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  Speaker 2: And I began to make notes.
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  Speaker 3: And then I serendipitously met a writing coach on one
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  Speaker 3: of our travels who said, really helped me realize we
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  Speaker 3: can all remember much more about our.
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  Speaker 2: Younger years than we imagined. And he taught me memory techniques.
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  Speaker 3: And I began to journal and write that stuff and
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  Speaker 3: write it down. And then actually the story emerged. This title, Reckoning,
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  Speaker 3: A Journey Through Tragedy, Triumph, and Transcendence, just emerged from
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  Speaker 3: the writing.
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  Speaker 2: I actually didn't make it up. It just came out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not shocked because I'm a student of Julia Cameron's
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  Speaker 1: The Artist's Way since 1994. And all of the amazing
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  Speaker 1: things that have come through creativity have started through that writing.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not shocked and I'm anxious to find out
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  Speaker 1: what you're going to be doing next because now that
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  Speaker 1: you know what the power of the pen and storytelling
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  Speaker 1: does to a person and other people that read it,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, dude, I just can't imagine what you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be doing next.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you. I'm thinking about that.
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  Speaker 3: And I really encourage your listeners to think about writing
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  Speaker 3: because once you start, it's very hard to start, but
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  Speaker 3: once you start, you get into that flow space.
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  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden my writing coach told me
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  Speaker 2: write an hour a day. And sometimes that was hard.
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  Speaker 3: And other times it'd be five hours later and I
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  Speaker 3: was lost in it.
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  Speaker 2: And it was so enthralling. And it is a wonderful
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  Speaker 2: way to spend time and to share your, what you've
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  Speaker 2: learned in your life with others.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny that you say that. I saw a
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  Speaker 1: picture of Taylor Swift about a month or two ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't see her in the photo. What I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: saw were 13 or 14 different journals that she writes in.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And then I looked at my own life going, holy crap,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I've got just as many. If people could put pride
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: into their writing or their journals... amazing things happen. And,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and this book is definitely, definitely proof of that because
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you took something that was so negative. You wrote about
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: it openly and now look at it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, thank you. It was hard to write about it.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, ultimately, uh, my brother was alive at
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: the time the book was finished and I was really
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: worried about how he would feel about it, but I
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: decided to give it to him and he read it and, uh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: He told me, Jim, it was very hard to read
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: back to what happened and the impact I had.
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  Speaker 2: On all of you. And I'm so sorry.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And he said if he could live it over, there
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: would have been no crime. But again, going back to
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: for all of us who've had either in our own
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: lives something really bad happen or know someone where something
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: really bad happened, it begs the question, can.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: A man or a woman be more than the worst
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to them?
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  Speaker 3: And I believe my brother's life is a demonstration that
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: that answer is a definite yes. It never undoes what happened,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: but it does demonstrate that we can all be more.
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  Speaker 1: I just did a study on that moment before we
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: do something like pull the trigger. And in that study,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: my question, my real honest to God question was, why
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: aren't we thinking clearly in that moment? And it goes
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: on to explain that it's because we're not thinking about
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: where we're going and what's going to happen. It's what
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: has happened and that they're trying to get people to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: understand that you need to think about the other side
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: of things too. When you are having such dark thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: I want to read that. I want to read that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Make sure you share that with me. That's absolutely true.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: And then you got to live with it. And that's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: where people are going, oh, my God. Oh, I guess
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I did. Oh, my God. I can't believe that I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: did that. But yet, where was that decision making before
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it happened? It wasn't because we tend to blank out.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We tend to go in a different direction because we're
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: putting the past ahead of all other things.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: That's very true. And we become so focused on the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: big problem. We think it's a big problem. And all
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: we really need to do is get up, get up
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: to 30, 40,000 feet and look down at us on
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: this small blue dot out in this vast universe and realize,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: oh my God, I've made.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Something so big.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: That's actually not no matter how big we believe it
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: is trying to get out and get perspective, which by
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the way, In Transcendence, I explained that's the benefit of
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of these plant medicines, where you can get perspective.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And that's why you hear about things like Ibogaine curing
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: strong PTSD and addiction in one session.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Those people finally get perspective.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And that's why our government's spending $ 50 million researching it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: The state of Texas is researching it. Joe Rogan is
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: all over it. These are not lifelong drugs. These are
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: things that can deliver healing in a way that's very
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: difficult to even believe.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: So now I've got to ask you a writer question,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: writer to a writer here, is that I've been a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: daily writer since July of 1994. And now I got
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to ask you, because you've openly admitted that you journaled.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: What are you doing with the books? Because are you
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: going to leave them for the family? Or are you
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: going to be like me? You're going to dig a
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: gigantic hole out in a forest and you're going to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: put it right back in the earth.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: TBD.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Right now, I'm in the middle of trying to share
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: the story with as many people, and I'm very grateful
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: for the opportunity to chat with you and your audience.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I've got a book event coming up this weekend at
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Penn State with the College of Business and the Restorative
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Justice Initiative. I'll be in Pittsburgh on Monday the 28th.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I've got events planned in Miami, in Chicago. So I'm
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: trying to get the word out and do the best
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: that I can to, to, to give life to this
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: book and this story. And then after a period of time,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I will let it take its own course. I did
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: record an audio book that will be done very soon.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It's up on Amazon and generally available. And anybody that
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: does want to get more information or read about it
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: can find me at read reckoning.com. And, uh, Again, I
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: really appreciate the opportunity to chat with you today.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the future. Just come back and let's talk about writing,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: about what you're doing and how we can help others
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: as well. Because in reality, you know, as Furtick always
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: tells us, it's not about us. It's about who we
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: are reaching through us.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this has been so enjoyable.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I hope you have a great day and thank you
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: so much.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You be brilliant today, okay?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, you too.