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The Truth About AR-15s And When Is Enough Enough? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Alrighty, it is the third hour of the Morning Show with Preston Scott.
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I'm Preston. That's grant. Great to be with you. Show number forty
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nine thirty one. As we approach show five thousand sometime in the next few
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months. Go figure. It is May seventeenth, it's Wednesday, and that
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means it's time. We are joined by Charlie Strickland up the Talent Training Group,
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co host of Talent Outdoors and how are you. I'm doing great this
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morning? Yeah right, and early had to brave the fog all the way
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over from Marianna. Is Rusty the Dry Creek dog with you? No,
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I left Rusty and literally at the house with Code of my daughter's dog and
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she's working from home today, And I said, no, I'm just leaving
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dogs here because they my little girl dog, my little puppy dogs. She
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likes to wet little puddles everywhere, That's what they tend to do. She
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thinks the store is outside because you know, well, I mean, you
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know, there's a lot of stuff coming in out, and she when she
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needs to heal whine at the door. But dude, we get so busy
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we just forget next thing. You know, I'm walking around class, you
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know what, I'm gonna leave her at home. But poor little Rusty new
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puppy, not new puppy anymore, but a puppy. He always feels neglected.
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Anyway, how you been, I've been. I have been fantastic,
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been staying busy. I never know. We wake up in the mornings.
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I never know if I'm going to Dothan or going to Tallahassee or just gonna
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goof off at the house, which I don't remember last time I did that.
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But I think life's good, very good. You are moving the production
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of talent outdoors to your own studios. We are, in fact, just
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for a second, just could you have ever imagined saying those words a few
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years ago? Ah? No, no, I love it. You know,
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but we've been doing our show for going on six years. I know.
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I didn't know that until Grant did the math one day and comes out
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of We're show three oh something, and I said what? And then I
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went back and looked, and apparently I heeart. You know, our all
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of our shows are only I heeart out, but somehow another they get uploaded
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to I found them on Spotify. I found them all the I heardest of
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the one you should use, but found them on Spotify, Audible, Amazon
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Music. Three hundred and five episodes now, which obviously pales in comparison to
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the Great. Well, it's a weekly show versus daily and I hadn't be
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doing it twenty years either. If I'm doing this twenty years from now,
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just shoot me in there we're still around. It's oh, come to the
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talent outdoor show. Whil pressedon in. He's our guests today. If you
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will be in in twenty years. Yeah, that's all that'll be about right,
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you'll be turning the page, all right. Anyway now, it's just
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it's it's awesome. And so we decided that since we're gonna do a video
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blog and we're gonna do you know, sort of a we're trying to figure
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out the format of an after hour show that's a little a little less mainstream,
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you know, product evaluations and you know, getting different guests into the
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studio and doing the video sort of the sort of a Joe Rogan type thing,
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but not Joe Rogan. Obviously. We want to we want our own
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and so we're we took a conference room that we built and never use and
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I've turned it into a becoming a very nice studio. I've had to learn.
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I've had a well table legs and build tabletops and doing decor and all
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that kind miss and figuring out what plugs in where we're using one of our
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good friends as an it guy, and and leaning on grant Um a little
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bit a lot. By the way, the reason this studio doesn't have more
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than three microphones is because there's a place for a fourth. But we learned
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real quickly in the first year, and the first time we had three guests
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in here with me, it was a feedback trap. And you can't open
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up four mics this close to each other and survive and have volume and quality.
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And then there's that giant piece of glass that is aimed slightly at an
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angle to deflect sound. And so that's why there's not more microphones in here.
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It's it's antisocial and well there is. I am that that's true.
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So two things can be true. You're in here as the host and the
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producer, and then you can have two guests in here easily. Yeah,
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Jay and I can't have to guess Nope, because there's a produc Because we
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don't know anything about production. I don't know how to open the software and
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I can do my own commercial now, yeah, but you know, I
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don't I'm like, what format? What does that? The MPa? What?
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No? Is that wave? I don't know, how do you do
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that? Send me some instructions. I'm googling stuff. Charlie strickling with me
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from the Talent Training Group Personal Defense segment here on the Morning Show with Preston
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Scott. I was, I was, I had gotten to it yet,
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Charlie. The uh the gunwriter Lee Williams, I like, Lee, I
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don't know, have you ever met him? No? He writes a lot,
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does a lot of advocacy on behalf of the Second Amendment as well.
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But he's talked about a story here NBC pushing fake news again about America's rifle,
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and he gets back to the history of the AAR and it's almost like
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the worst thing that could have possibly happened is that that that Armament Light rifle
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came out as an are armor Light. Yeah, that was the company.
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Yeah, the corporate name armor Light, you know, a armor light rifle.
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So Armor Light was a company, and that company actually faded and came
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back and was rebranded and anyway there. We actually, when I was buying
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rifles for the Sheriff's office here in Leon County, we bought some armor Light
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brand rifles. Um, you know they're they're a brand. Uh. The
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NBC story says, what makes the R fifteen so beloved and so reviled?
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A rifle with military origins has become the country one of the country's most divisive
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consumer products. It doesn't have military origins, well, no, but they
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they want to twist everything. And if you take any of the rifles that
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have come along during our history or the world's history, and firearms, I
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mean, militant civilian use drives military use, which drives civilian use. I
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mean as the advancements have come along. I mean most weapons over time,
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other than when we were hunter gatherers, you know, were where they were.
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Weapons were designed for us to be able to feed ourselves. But they
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were also used as instruments of war, and they always have been. And
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anytime you can you can I mean, granted, if you said, well,
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I want an F sixteen jet, you know that's a that's not a
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commute vehicle. That's not something you want to well, I want to get
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downtown in a hurry, you know, you use it for that, that
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is, you know what I would coins. But but um, the right
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brothers didn't design the airplane as an instrumental war. They designed it, you
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know, because that was the next technological thing they thought. They wanted to
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you know, man to expand right, they wanted man to fly. Well,
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then man figured out they could drop explosive devices out of it. Well,
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which which came first, the chicken or the egg? I mean,
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the fact is is that an AAR fifteen, a modern sporting rifle, UM
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can fire a lot of rounds in a hurry if you want it to,
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or it can be very precise if you want it to be. It's an
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all purpose firearm. UM. I hunt with one. My children and my
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wife hunt with one. Uh No, I don't use a thirty round magazine
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when I'm hunting because legally I have to use a fire round magazine. I
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can also defend my home or myself with one. I carry one for defense,
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and so I can utilize one firearm. I use one and a six
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two or a three or eight caliber, you know, and I can hunt
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with it and I can defend myself with it. So no, it's not
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it's not a weapon of war. It's a weapon of self defense if you
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want to call it that, you know, but I have a right to
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have that because you know, that's that's what I want it for. I
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don't plan on going to battle unless necessary, I do. I do plan
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on being prepared if something comes to me. And I don't think that a
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bolt action rifle, which by the way, was an advanced weapon of war
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when we were still shooting muskets, all right, and so when somebody came
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out with a center fire cartridge and then they advanced from a single shot to
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a bolt action to whatever, you know, oh that was, you know,
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that was probably a weapon of war back then and still can be because
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a single shot rifle with a scope on it is a very precise, long
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range weapon. And don't you think for a second that they won't go after
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sniper rifles once they get those, And that's you know, we're never gonna
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let them have them anyway, but they're certainly gonna continue down that path and
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keep trying. It's a bunch of and they'll try any way possible to disrupt
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our ability to use them. If that's going after ammunition or what have you.
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We're going to pick up right there twenty one minutes after the hour personal
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defense segment, before we get to a few stories in the news. I
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want to keep talking about this, well, the story that Lee Williams is
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writing about as an NBC News story, and you know, say no more.
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These are the same people that edited George Zimmerman's call to make it sound
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like he was stalking some guy based on race when he was answering questions from
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the dispatcher. But they took all of that out change context of things.
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They don't do their research. They're lazy, but that's sort of a malady
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in today's media. Charlie, why is our side though so bad at I
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don't know, knowing what we should know and being able to articulate it.
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I think it's because we trust the rule of law and we trust that things
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are going to work out. You know, our side has faith. Our
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side believes that right is right and wrong is wrong, and that you know,
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good's gonna triumph over evil and all of the things that we believe in.
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I mean, we you know, you don't have faith and not think
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of that, but you know, so we we feel like people should fight
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fair, they should use the truth. They should reason and use logic and
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information correctly and apply all that to the decisions that we make. And the
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other side it's ruled by emotion. No, facts, don't care about the
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acts. Will lie about the facts. Um, make up facts. Um,
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we'll take facts that are true and twist them around to their own,
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you know, in their own favor. Well, it's like doing a calculation
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until you get the number you want. Yeah, I mean, you just
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keep how many times you got to divide by that to get to the number
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you want to be And and then let's fudge a little bit and we'll round.
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We'll round down instead of up or whatever. Um. You know when
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I say I see news reports and even even like Fox News, now you
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won't believe what this person said. And you have to read the article to
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find out that was something innocuous or or so, and so you know,
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uh, the LGBT rule uh eliminated. Well, it's before some legislative thing
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goes into effect in two weeks and this this and that and other, and
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so you have to read the news to dispel the headline. Even on the
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right, you have to do that. The news news reporting is on you
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know, you have to go out of the mainstream to get the real story
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a lot of times, or dig through when you have to read a news
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article on a left or the right and then google facts in there or look
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up facts, and that is tough. Yeah, to be able to determine
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what the truth really is and what they're really talking about and what really happened.
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I shouldn't have to research the news articles to determine what's true or not.
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And so that's why that reporter gets a check, is they're supposed to
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have done the research, right, so they've paid a few bucks so they
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could get a check or whatever. I just I'll watch what we say and
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what they say. When I hear somebody that I agree with say something,
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nowadays, I also look it up and try to find out what I can
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inform my own opinions, because for some reason or another, people look to
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folks like us and expect us to know things or to be able to render
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a valuable opinion, the reasoned opinion, and what do you think about this?
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And if you just spout off because I just want to give an answer
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and make myself feel important or I feel like I know something. I want
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to look important in this person's eyes without giving it. A lot of times
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I go, you know, let me, let me look at it,
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let me read. And I find myself all the time doing research for other
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people that lean on. You know, we'll ask a question. I mean,
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it's there's a lot of things I don't know anything about. I know
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about guns, and I know you know about the Constitution, and I know
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what is important to reasons, you know, conservative people. But yeah,
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our side we have a hard time because a lot of times we don't research
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things. If you get into you just can't use emotion. And so when
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people ask me a question, I also give me just a second and I'll
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pull up some stats and some facts and I try to keep a certain number
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in my head when you start talking about gun deaths or things like that,
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and you know that's well. I mean, something as fundamental as AAR does
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not stand for assault rifle in the in the wrong hands, it certainly identifies
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as one. But you know, that's the way things are today is people
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people put labels on things that they aren't and when you get in the habit
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of changing the names and the meaning and the when when I mean, but
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we seem to be good at it in every other work, you know,
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experience that life is offering us. We're changing the definition of a woman exactly.
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And the thing is is, I don't care what people do with their
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lives. I don't care which way they go. I don't I don't care
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who they I don't care. Okay, that's their life they lead. You
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know. You can talk to discustom morality of it, and whether it's a
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sin or not. You can discuss those things. But ultimately, what it
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boils down to is when you can start fundamentally changing the definition of things,
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then who cares what something really means? At that point everything is so fluid,
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right, you know. So to me, you know, that's aar
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stands for another rifle, I mean, and that's what I want to probably
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have about in the next week. Is another rifle. That's to me,
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that's what it means. So my wife, why did you bring that in?
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It's just another rifle. That's another r No, no, no,
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no, no, no, how I see it. That's not say it
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my truth is just just another rifle. And besides, it's identifying absolutely that's
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something else. And the math is fuzzy because that's not thirty rounds. That's
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that's that's you know, officer, I'm not hunting with a thirty round.
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Maggot said, I'm hunting hogs. I'm not hunting the deer. The deer
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out there not what I'm hunting. I'm hunting those hogs. And I can,
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you know, do different things. There you goes and we are back
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Charlie Strickland with me of the Talent training group. Are you looking at me?
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How just you already said it? Yeah? I know. Um,
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I want to talk about something else here. I want to get your thoughts
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because I am totally conflicted. And this is a real life circumstance that any
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number of us could face. And it's the case of the marine David Daniel
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Penny, New York City subway, a guy who I argue shouldn't have been
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out it was mentally ill, but he's now making threats threatening him. They
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get into an altercation. He puts him in basically a rear naked choke and
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the guy dies. Well, that's a technique that's taught. And I love
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how you are conflicted on something. Don't tell me what you're gonna ask me,
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give me three other things to talk about, and then come in here
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and throw me a curvebox baby to come up with a concise response. We
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have ten minutes. Then I don't. There you go. So now that
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is a technique that's taught. I was just studying. I looked at the
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high Liability section and want of Law Enforcement manuals. Because I went back and
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took the state board. I was just curiously if I could pass it and
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the U and it's still in the manual that that technique is still in the
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Highlight Ability Defensive Tactics Manual as most agencies prohibited now, but the thing in
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some some laws prohibited. But the fact is as the military has taught that,
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so he was using a technique that he knew to work. They use
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it in in MMA, they use it in wrastling, I mean, and
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it's allowed in MMA, as listeners have pointed out by email this morning,
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because it's not a it's not a it's not considered deadly forced in most instances.
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The thing is is you should hold it until the person is no longer
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prevented providing resistance, and at that point you should release because you're cutting off
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the blood flow to the brain and um, you're not cutting off the wind
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that you're cutting off the blood flow to the brain if it's executed, and
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it only takes a few seconds of that before the person goes limp. I've
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been on the receiving end of one of those. Yeah, well the I
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want to do it again. So so, um, the fact, you
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know, the concern there is of course, you've got you know, prosecuting
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attorney up there, that's a political machine, and it's in a liberal town,
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but it's a dangerous town. And so you've got a trained military guy,
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you know, basically chucking a guy out till he dies. And I
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don't know enough of the detail. I don't know at what point, you
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know, how long he was responsive the storage and I read he had been
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he was continuing to provide resistance for some time. And so he maintained that
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he's not a trained law enforcement officers, a military guy. Military guys aren't
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trained to restrain people. They're trained to kill people. You know, that's
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what the military is for. Go there, kill those people that are fighting
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us, and then come back and you know whatever. And so it's you
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can't hold him to the same standard as a police officer. If a police
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officer did that, and you're talking about a different situation because if they've been
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trained in that technique and it's within their policy, it becomes more of a
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civil liability issue versus a criminal thing. In his case, they can't sue
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him necessarily. They will that somebody will. He's been prosecuted. But he's
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been prosecuted, So now I think you'll have a good stout defense because everybody's
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pouring money into his defense, as they rightfully should. So I can't without
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standing there, without knowing all the information and understanding a totality of circumstances.
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It's hard to say whether or not he went too far, went too long.
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But the thing is, you can't hold him to the same standards as
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if it was a New York police officer understood. My question though, is
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have you seen because I have not, have you seen any reports indicating that
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the kid that choked out and died sadly had a weapon of any kind?
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I didn't. He just was making a bunch of verbal threats and he would
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and buddy, I mean, look, he had seriously harmed people. You
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have to ask and but you have been on the street, but you have
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to view it from the totality of circumstances. You have to view it from
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the position of the person who used the force. What did that What information
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did he have at that point in time. You can't go back and say
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he should have known he would have known. What did he know right then?
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And you have to put yourself in his position and what was reasonable?
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So was the force that he used reasonable under the circumstances for what he knew
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at that point in time, And that's the key. Without knowing all of
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that, it's hard to render decision. I support what he did. I
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support him until the state can prove otherwise, I'll be behind him one hundred
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percent. It's just one of those things where you know you're darned if you
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do and you're darned if you don't. I mean, he did the right
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thing trying to protect people, and there were a lot of people there.
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Listen, the human body can withstand a lot, but sometimes it's fragile.
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In that case, that guy had all kinds of stuff working against him.
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So, I mean, I've seen people chased and jump back up and continue
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to fight. I've seen people chased and not make it. So final segment,
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Personal defense. Charlie Strickling of the Talent Training Group just another moment on
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this case in New York City. I'm conflicted on whether I think he can
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get a fair trial. On one hand, you've got the DA that's a
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joke, just a train wreck and a joke. But you also have a
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populace that is sick and tired of the crime in that city. I think
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they are. And juris selection is going to be key in that case,
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you know, because and don't you think he won't have a good defense attorney
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in a good defense They're they're going, yeah, now he may end up
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taking a police to a lesser charge or something just to avoid the possibility of
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going I'm with you. I mean, I am very conflicted because I think
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he was acting in good faith. Agree, and I think he had all
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the right intentions. But at the same time, how long did he keep
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him in that position? Did he quit resisting, did he maintain that position?
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Did he go beyond what's reasonable? But then again, did he know
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what was reasonable? So it's one of those things where it's easy to jump
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on the bandwagon on either side. I don't do that. I try to
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reserve judgment and go there's a lot of factors that we don't have all the
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intimation until proven guilty. Right now, you actually to me, he is
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actually one innocent, He did the right thing. Um, the case is
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gonna have to play itself out based on what was reasonable, and I just
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don't know because I wasn't there. And that's the hard part and rendering decision
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sometimes is it's hard to know if you're just not there because you have to
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put yourself in that person's shoes. You can't say, oh, standing over
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here, I think that was unreasonable, or I think that was one hundred
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percent right over here, but you weren't there, and without being there,
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you know, in videotape lies as much as people do. I mean,
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it represents one version of the facts from one view. And you know,
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and then if somebody had to been standing there, let him go, Let
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him go. I don't think he's going to live. You know, if
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somebody had had to been screaming at um, you don't know that that guy
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even heard it. Because there's stune, a critical incident, stress, there's
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things like um tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, there's there's critical incident, and
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there's all these things that happened to us. You know, when our heart
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rate gets to a certain level when our breathing rate gets to a certain level
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when we were trying to perform under critical incidence stress. There's so many things
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that we just don't our body doesn't react well to unless you've prepared it.
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And that's the whole part of training. And so you know, you look
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at a video when you don't have a sense of what that person, what's
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going on in that person's head. In reality, I look at a story
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like this and I just think to myself, it just buttresses something that you
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and I and JD have talked about on and on for going on years now,
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and that is just the importance of situational awareness and thinking ahead. I've
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gotten to the since we opened the Dothan Reins, I've gotten to teach more.
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I've had the opportunity to get back into a classroom more, mostly in
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small, one on one environments, and it's reinvigorated some energy I've gotten as
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it relates to talking to people about these situations because I instead of doing classes
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of twenty people, I'm up there doing two or three and able to address
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personal situations and really get drilled down on things. And and you know,
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people come up there if just for a simple shooting lesson. That's not what
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they're getting. They end up getting the whole conversation about. You know,
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I go back to critical incidence stress, which is why I just mentioned that.
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I go back to, you know, how to perform under stress?
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How to what's what's going to happen in real life situations where things are you
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know, and I get people playing the mind games. You know, what
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would you do? Tell me how your house is laid out? You know
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where? Where would you when you get up? What do you see?
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Um, it's important to go over that stuff. You know, standing a
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gun counter, buying a gun, that's that's a step, that's a baby
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step really, I mean the real work comes with how do you apply that
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to the real world. It's like if you teach somebody how to drive in
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your driveway, but before you're a teenager, until they hit the road and
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you get out and drive around town with them and then let them go do
24:56
it on their own. They have no idea of what it's really about.
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You just know, here's the break, here's the gas. That's the gun
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counter experience, driving around town and traffic. That'st real life. Yeah,
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you know, I've got a kid learning to drive right now, so that
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analogy works just fine. Oh yeah, this is how you drop off your
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brother at school. Parking lots are a whole different story. Yeah, they
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are good to see you, sir. Charlie's strickling with us. Don't forget
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Talent Outdoors on the weekend Saturday mornings here and there, all over. You
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can get it on the IRT Radio app. Just look for Talent Outdoors on
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the Morning Show with Preston Scott