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Sister Wives S6 E10 - Polygamist Marriage Therapy - Part 1 · My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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Goodbye. You.
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Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
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Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
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Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
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Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years and the
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sacrifices that I made to love
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Join us, won't you, on the couch
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polygamist marriage therapy session.
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Join us on the Chaise Lounge of Life.
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Of a questionable in pathetic life.
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We are on season 6, episode 10
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The episode is called Polygamist
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I've been excited about this episode.
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I've been looking forward to it because we get to meet a new
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character in the Sister Wives universe and it is what it is.
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We get to see more dysfunction
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She's no Mona. Oh, she is.
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Tell you that she's no Mona and I'm disappointed about that.
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You can't replace Mona. We all know you can't replace
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Mona. Mona, would you please go and
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get your therapy license, please?
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Please. Please join us again.
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Yeah, it's hard to replace Mona.
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Mona is one-of-a-kind Mona. Truly.
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Truly is one-of-a-kind. Truly.
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To start out this episode, we're on the couch with the family.
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Well, with the parents. We don't get any children in
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this episode. None of the kids.
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I mean, there's a couple shots with the kids, but.
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We get Leon. Oh, that I'm such an idiot.
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Well, how could I have forgotten?
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About that, they're not really worth mentioning often.
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I agree. I agree so well.
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OK, spoiler alert, we get Leon. And so the parents are on the
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couch and Kody's talking about how in the past they have seen a
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Utah. And he makes sure to emphasize
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Take note. Highlighted Highlighted in your
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book. They have not been able to see
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Oh so. Bad.
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Too bad you can't see Pat in Las Vegas.
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And we are going to be introduced to a new therapist, a
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I'm not sure if they actually said what her designation is.
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I don't note it. They showed us her door with her
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therapist. And I will refer to this person
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as a head Dr. and this head Dr. is Nancy, Nancy Hunterton.
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And Nancy came on a high recommendation from Pat.
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Now, does that mean? Not quite sure, but maybe we'll
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figure it out. Pat did some research to see if
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there was a therapist in the area that would be a good fit
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for the family and after speaking with Nancy, Pat decided
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We find out that the parents are
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Pat to Sedona, AZ for a marriage
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Now, when I hear marriage retreat, I would think that it
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was maybe more than one couple.
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Well, I guess I am coming to this from a lens of a
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monogamist, a sick, twisted monogamist.
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So you know, when I've seen marriage retreats on other
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shows, there's usually multiple couples and they're going
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through scenarios and whatever those things are called when
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they're sitting around doing. Doing exercises.
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Thank you. But this one is just going to be
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special and there's a camera crew and a production crew and
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The adults go to meet Nancy and we start our experience with
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Nancy by doing an exercise for unearthing their personality
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traits and miscellaneous whatnot.
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They're going to do a personality test.
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I noted on one of the pieces of paper it says Anne Graham, which
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because I think you have not done it, or if you have done it,
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you don't know what you are. I don't remember.
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I think I've done these before in college and I've done similar
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adult life when they start a new job, their job will do, get to
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can work our best together. That type of deal.
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When I, I had a workplace where we did that and they gave us
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beads where we put our colors that symbolized whatever our
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outcomes were on a safety pin that we put into our cubicle.
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And I was going, wow, who has the mental wherewithal to come
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green, red, like, oh, I know what that means.
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I was just like, this is so ridiculous.
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This is why people laugh at these kind of things, because
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it's like, what are you even talking about?
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I worked at a nonprofit and we did one step further.
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You had to put your name, a picture of you and ways that you
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next to your cube. That'd be funny if it was like,
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leave me alone, don't waste my time, I don't need friends.
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Doesn't work well with others. Yeah, it just doesn't work.
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Well done with others, period. When they're diving into this
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exercise, we get a clip of Christine saying I've been
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romantic and imaginative or pragmatic and some other words.
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Down to earth, but first she
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announces that she can read. Oh, she does.
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She does say she can read. That's right, I can read.
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Nancy asks if someone can read
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of makes a joke joke of it. Christine goes, I can read.
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I've been romantic and imaginative, or I've been
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pragmatic and down to earth. What a wonderful example.
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And this is where I was like, they are definitely taking an
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Enneagram test because it's usually teed up for this versus
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that and then it collects and then you get an outcome.
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Of course, Meri has to chime in going, I don't like this.
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And I was shocked. I was shocked that Meri didn't
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like it. I I thought Meri liked
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everything, had a great attitude
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Kody gives us a voice over moment where he says
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stereotypically, a female therapist is going to appear to
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be a feminist and a threat to plural marriage, maybe even our
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family. A.
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Threat. Just assuming that therapist is
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going to be a feminist because
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hate him. She's going to hate the family
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dynamic and be a threat to the
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Right. You know, Kody, it's funny
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because they talk about being judged by people all the time,
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and then they come to these situations with their own
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judgments. And it's like, OK, well, here
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you are. He's talking about feminist as
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well, like it's a bad word, when
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equality, right? All it means being equal and
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women should be able to choose.
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Men should be able to choose. So if your wives are able to
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choose, why is feminist a bad word to you especially?
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Because the narrative that these people tee up all the time is
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that the women. Are the women are in charge?
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And he's just, you know, the bumbling boob floating around
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being told what to do. And it's like, OK.
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We all know that's bullshit. I did want to make note that
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while they're doing this Enneagram test, I had a
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flashback into the future about how later in the series, way
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down the road, someone is pointing out something about
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Robyn and how she reacts to things.
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And they harken back to this very exercise where they say,
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well, Robyn, when we did the anagram, you were A and I want
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but highlighting something about her personality type with this.
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And she literally says that she
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never did it and she thinks someone else did it because she
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wasn't there. And it's like, you are a liar.
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This is the episode that we see her doing the test with people.
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She doesn't want to be accountable for anything ever.
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Clearly This is why she has mistrust issues with Nancy that
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we will get into. But I just wanted to point out
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for our listeners that have seen
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didn't this come up in the future?
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It absolutely does, and Robyn says that she never did this
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with them and here we see her doing it.
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Liar liar pants are on fire with
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just burning up. Burning up those buns.
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And that white stitching on the dark denim really ties it all
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together. I noticed as well that they
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obviously had to gather up extra
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Oh, were they cramped in there?
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Random mismatch of chairs, Obviously not the way that the
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I. Suppose she's probably not
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usually doing therapy with five adults, but it.
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Made me question the fact that she's an expert in plural
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marriage. Well, but Nancy's not the
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expert. Remember, Pat's the expert.
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Oh, you're right. So Nancy, but if Nancy does have
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a regular chaise lounge. Yeah, true, true.
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Now I'm starting to question Nancy and her qualifications and
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Hot off the heels of Robyn saying that women are more
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judgmental of their lifestyles than men, we hear from Kody and
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he's basically saying that he doesn't want Nancy to tell him
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when they all should be doing it.
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I'm sure that happens quite regularly for him, as we've
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discussed before. So I can see being a little
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defensive about that. You know, everyone else is fine
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and I'm the one that has to change.
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You know we don't like to give. He's the common denominator
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between all of them, so he's the one that gets pointed out all
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the time is the problem and the one that needs to change.
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This is a little foreshadowing and I'm not mad about it.
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At first when he said this, I thought, of course you need to
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But as the episode progresses, I may or may not get where he is
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All right, that's a little foreshadowing on my part.
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I may or may not get where he's coming from.
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OK, OK. Yeah.
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All right. He's saying here he's sick of
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being the one that has to be told everything from everybody
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comes to their religion, he is
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it. He shouldn't have gotten himself
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into a plural marriage if he wasn't ready for and wasn't able
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to be the person to fix it. Because the whole point of this
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religion and having multiple wives is that you are ready and
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you are receiving of these wives
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these wives because you are ready and able to through.
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Your tool, absolutely. So if you're not able to, if
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your tool can't handle it, Kody,
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here, don't come to me to fix it.
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However, in your religion, you're supposed to be the one to
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one of the reasons they're doing this marriage retreat is
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to really pin down their mission statement or what should
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go into their mission statement.
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This drives me a little nuts because I'm going, you know,
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it's so succinct. It's so like small.
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And it comes up over and over again in this episode where they
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reference the mission statement and a future upcoming thing
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that they're going to be doing that we'll talk about.
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Where I'm thinking, isn't therapy a little bit more broad
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and about self examination holistically and relationships?
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Not just, I should say just, but
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mission statement to a therapist?
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Well, Nancy asks them what they would really like to achieve by
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going to therapy and by doing this whole exercise.
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What would you really like to achieve on this retreat?
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And Meri says communication. I'd like to get better at
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communication. And Christine says their family
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mission statement, they want to be able to come to a conclusion
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as a family, come together as a family to come up with what's
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the most important things for them.
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OK, so it kind of has to do with
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into a family mission statement.
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But it's very forced. It's a forced narrative by the
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When in all reality, if you were in therapy and you're working
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towards your life goals, of course that would be in your
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mission statement, what you're working towards, right?
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If I'm working to become a better person, if I'm working to
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Like, duh, these guys. Circles now that you say that it
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being beaten to their heads. Like they're being reminded
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constantly that they have to do this thing because you know,
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Christina is the driver behind their mission statement from
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what we can tell and trying to get it done at least.
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It's just the way it's referenced in this episode
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multiple times makes me feel weird.
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It's contrived. Yeah, it's contrived, as have
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the last. How many episodes have they've
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I don't know. We're burying things.
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We're writing things. We're.
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Starting plastic bags on fire. Starting plastic on fire About
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that potentially could fall apart.
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Boy. Kody gives us another wonderful
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word of wisdom here, specifically a word that I was
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incorporate this more in my life.
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One of the things we'd like to do, he tells us, is inaugurate
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So he's teeing up this upcoming commitment ceremony that we're
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going to come together and celebrate their commitment to
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each other and to partner with that is their mission statement
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that they're going to inaugurate.
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I was like, wow, inauguration. I'm familiar with inauguration
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used in other ways. So I'm learning new things from
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Kody. I'm getting smarter by the aid
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word into my vocabulary. I don't know if that was the
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correct use. Honey, how about you inaugurate
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the use of the word inaugurate? Oh, yeah.
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OK. All right.
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All right. Clarity from Kody.
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Oh boy. And after he says this, I'm
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thinking to myself, so you're doing this mission statement for
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you are oversimplifying it. But once again, the way that
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they kind of jockey these things back and forth and talk about
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it, you're kind of left scratching your head until you
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usually do. No, because he basically is
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saying that this mission statement is going to be the
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cornerstone part of our family ceremony.
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It's going to be an integral part.
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It's important we're inaugurating it.
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It'll come on a scroll. It will.
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They should have buried it in the plastic cooler.
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Gosh the timelines are all fucked up.
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Gosh. Well, they talk about how it was
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One of Christine's biggest regrets?
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Duh. We get a clip from Robyn and
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she's just such a gem. Robyn lets us know that Nancy is
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She's going to need to earn her trust.
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Yeah, because Robyn is cautious when it comes to something like
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this. Very.
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Cautious. I was reading between the lines
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here, and I'll read between them
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going Robyn, why are you distrustful of a therapist right
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off the bat? Someone might see your flaws.
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Someone might diagnose you. Therapist can't diagnose you.
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But someone might call out things that need to change.
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They might pick up on patterns
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Probably wouldn't be good for Robyn in any scenario unless it
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was literally the worst therapist on the planet.
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Like Robyn would love to see the
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I mean, we'll see. We'll.
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See, only time will tell. Can you tread the water here?
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Trust us, Nancy is no Mona. She's no Mona.
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Mona could have shed a lot of light.
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You know, after Mona went through this entire housing
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process with them, she probably would have been the best
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therapist to them ever. You know how that woman just
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held her tongue and you could tell at the very end when she's
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sighs and goes, oh, it's over.
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Finally over. Thank you, Lord Jesus, it's
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over. Mona got on her knees and
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prayed. And as we usually get in this
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show, we have a seamless transition into our next scene
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where we have Leon and Kody and Meri joined together at Meri's
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house to have a discussion, a frank and honest conversation
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about Leon's future, their educational future.
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We learned that while Leon did
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Westminster, it turns out it was
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And I'm going, duh. That was something I was
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hammering. And I said, Chris, shut up.
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Nobody cares. Stop talking about it.
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Scholarships, usually, it's not as if you get one scholarship
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and your college is paid for. I don't know where these people
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are even. I guess maybe they have a lack
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of understanding schools and how
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Still. It's a drop in, I mean, even a
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good scholarship that some people get, it's $5000.10
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thousand. Well, $10,000 does not pay for a
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college education. I believe that they said Leon
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got a $10,000 scholarship previously.
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It was a drop in the bucket. Yes, and they are going to have
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to have a hard talk with Leon about the lack of funds to go to
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Westminster. We find out that Meri is not
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ready to give up. No.
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Meri cannot crush Leon's dreams.
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Only some of the dreams, not this dream.
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No, no, no, no, no, Leanne says. I'll get a second job.
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This summer, This summer, a second summer job, A senior in
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Not even realizing tuition has to be paid by a certain time.
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You have to pay your tuition before you start school.
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I can't believe they're talking about this right now.
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Can I tell you they're talking about this?
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The tuitions probably already do.
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For real. Yeah, I don't remember.
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I feel well. I went to a state school and I
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give people an opportunity for student loans to come in.
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But I that's a state school. I don't know what Westminster is
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applied though by that time and it was already on its way to the
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Yeah, it might not have come through yet, but it was already
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I think so done. There's a cut off where you get
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fines or extra expenses on top of it.
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They're in springtime, about to go into summer for they're
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talking about fall semester of the same year.
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Anyone who's listening and has dealt with college applications
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themselves or for children realizes that this timeline is
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I think Kody points out how Westminster cost 4 times the
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amount of UNLV, which is where Logan is going and they have a
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have been saying from the very beginning.
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Kody says after Leon says oh I'll get a second job.
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Kody says that won't be enough and we cannot take the money
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from the family budget but maybe we could take it from your
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budget. And he points at Meri and that
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She kind of skirts around it and ignores it.
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Oh, I thought she went and took a picture of the wet bar to put
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on Facebook Marketplace, but no, I I was hallucinating.
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I was hallucinating. To rent it out.
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I've got an event space in my 5 bedroom house.
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I've got a wet bar 4 feet away from the kitchen sink.
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Oh, it was a little weird to see Kody bringing this up to Meri
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about how it should come out of her budget.
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That Leon's schooling should potentially come out of her
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budget instead of the family's budget because she does have a
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family. We already have a child in
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college and we never came together and discussed how we
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were going to finance that. I think Meri might have even
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said we don't. She doesn't even know the
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details about how Logan's schooling is being paid for.
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Meri says we do not have a budget for education for each
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child. We've never discussed this and
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You're not an only child, you have 17 siblings.
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Westminster is a school for an only child or a well off family
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essentially not a family with 17 other kids to put through
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school. Leon has been treated like an
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only child. Yeah.
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This, to me is Kody calling out. Hey Leon.
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Ding Ding, Ding, Ding Ding. Not an only child, you remember
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that? Unfortunately, my empathy for
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Kody starts to wane because he talks about how assuming the
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debt for this is not OK for him, he'd like to retire one day.
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I know I've referenced it before.
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It drives me nuts the way he talks about college education
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funding because he does this black or white thing.
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You can't go into debt, you can't do whatever, you can't
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blah blah blah. You have to be able to work and
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pay your way through college, which is really when I was in
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college. I work part time all the time
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through college. There wasn't any way I was
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covering tuition with my part time uneducated college income,
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you know? Here's one thing I'm going to
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say in defense of Kody here, and you're not going to hear me say
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this very often. He says that he would be paying
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off this one student loan for at least 30 years, and he wants
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to be able to retire. Yeah.
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Now we need to remember that Kody is married to Meri.
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So Leon's applications for student loans are based off of
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Yes. This situation is completely
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different than any other child situation.
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If they weren't married, Leon would probably be able to get
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more money from the state or more scholarships.
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So this is an actual interesting situation here and I get where
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You are not an only child. I think that there's something
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Meri even says we have been talking about this.
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We have been applying for things.
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I've been on the phone. You haven't been here.
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You haven't been here for the conversations.
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And I want to say right now, this would have been a good
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reason to divorce Kody, not because of Robyn.
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This would have been a good reason.
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Hey, my child wants to go to college.
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What can I get my child for money for college versus being
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I wonder if this was floating around in her head yet.
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At this point, rumor has it that seeds were planted by Robyn.
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You know about oh, well, maybe you could divorce and then blah
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blah blah blah blah and yadda yadda yadda.
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I'm unsure if that's happened yet.
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It would be interesting to know if she's thinking about it yet.
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It wouldn't be new for
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polygamists to manipulate the This is IT system.
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Bleeding the beast, right? Absolutely.
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Yeah. Kody has a great line here.
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This is expensive and is more than can be covered by an $8 an
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hour job at a clothing store, which I loved.
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I was totally like, it is so true because Leon is positioning
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themselves right now in this defiance.
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The the non verbals is very Oh
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verge of tears. Leon's like, what do you want me
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to do? It does suck because I know what
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it's like to not have parents fund your college education.
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It fucking sucks. I know what it's like to have a
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parent say I'm not going to cosign for student loans and for
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me to have to wait until I was
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because they wouldn't cosign for
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go. It is a thing.
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But Leon just acts like a brat, a spoiled brat.
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As we know, that has happened repeatedly.
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It continued in this conversation.
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I have a very complicated relationship with college
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myself. My sister went to college right
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away after high school and was
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My parents were going through a divorce at the time and she
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couldn't get a cosigner on loans.
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It was really messy. So by the time that I got to
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college age, nobody gave a shit to be honest.
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Nobody was encouraging me to go to school, nobody was helping
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me come up with a plan. They essentially pushed me
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towards beauty school saying oh,
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So I can empathize with Leon being scared and feeling that
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their dreams are slipping away
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unsupported. But this conversation should
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have been had a long time ago.
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Especially with how many children you have and how
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important education is to you before they even moved to Vegas.
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Janelle is talking about how education is one of the most
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important things for the family and how her kids are going to
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be educated, blah blah blah blah
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Obviously it's not that important if you've never even
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discussed the budget for it. Meri says that she thinks the
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options are Westminster with the
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already got or UNLV with residential tuition.
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And Leon says what I'm hearing
27:26
Very true, Leon. That's what you're hearing.
27:28
And unfortunately, your mom is
27:33
Doing a merry thing where she skirts around and doesn't want
27:36
to be the disappointment queen
27:42
Letting Leon down again. This is a moment where I
27:45
probably would end up divorced
27:48
against my spouse and say I am
27:52
child to go to school. It is a deal breaker for me that
27:56
you are preventing my child from
27:59
So you know, this is also by I'm
28:02
kids and, you know, forever alone.
28:05
I just Meri is avoidant on It's weird because she doesn't skirt
28:09
away from some conflict in some combative situations, but then
28:13
when it seems like it would really serve, she does this
28:16
whole can't, you know? She does stand up for Leon and
28:21
herself and say we have been talking about this.
28:24
You haven't been around. You have not been part of the
28:26
discussions. I have been on the phone, Kody.
28:28
I've been on the phone with everybody and I can tell that
28:31
Meri is fighting really hard for
28:36
situation hits so close to home for me it's not even funny.
28:39
Honestly this conversation sucks
28:46
our country cared more about education.
28:49
It makes me sick to think of all
28:53
and talented in this world and
28:56
because they can't afford it. It also makes me sick to think
28:59
of all of the people that are strapped down with student loans
29:02
that can't afford to even take
29:05
their student loans. So it's a hard conversation to
29:10
be had and I cannot imagine being selfish enough to have 17
29:14
children and not have this in the bag, not have it figured
29:21
out. Well, it's specifically for
29:22
college education. Having it in the bag doesn't
29:26
even necessarily mean that you
29:29
but you need to be open to to have a plan on how you're going
29:32
to tackle the issue. Kody just putting his foot down
29:35
and crossing his arms is not a
29:37
It's ridiculous. This is only the second child,
29:41
mind you, that they're having the discussion about.
29:44
This is 2 of to 17. We've got 15 more kids to go
29:50
under here. And this is where each child
29:52
gets less and less attention, less and less funding, less and
29:56
less of, you know, everything from the parents.
30:00
And yet we're supposed to have
30:04
more support. We're supposed to have all of
30:05
this because of all the moms and
30:08
huge, big supportive family. You can't even support your
30:12
second child to go to the college they want to go to.
30:16
Says a lot about you as a person.
30:17
Kody Brown. And Leon says I'm just going to
30:21
do it, as if they're just going to figure it out and there's no
30:25
other option. I think we've all been young and
30:27
we've all said something similar
30:30
They're going to have a hard time when they show up and
30:32
they're escorted out of the classroom because they haven't
30:34
paid their tuition. So, you know, it's good for you,
30:37
Leon. You're basically auditing this
30:39
class. You're not going to get credit.
30:40
You can sit in if you want, but you're not going to get college
30:43
credits for it because you didn't pay.
30:45
You didn't. Pay.
30:47
We cut to Kody and I'm assuming he's at Robyn's.
30:51
Kody is packing up his jewelry
30:55
diligently on and he's about to give them out before the Sedona
30:59
trip. He wants each wife to have their
31:01
special piece of jewelry before this special trip.
31:04
Oh so special. He's put his heart and his soul
31:09
into these pieces and he doesn't
31:15
one's beautiful, but mine's not.
31:18
He is concerned about each wife hating or loving their jewelry
31:26
I mean, you know, there was no way to avoid this.
31:29
It's not like he completely manufactured the entire
31:31
situation and then manufactured in quotes the jewelry.
31:34
But you know, to make it all OK, he's putting them into beautiful
31:41
going to give them to the wives all at the same time.
31:45
These gift bags, he's pulling them out of a giant box as if
31:50
they have these gift bags and these are the bags they give out
31:57
To the Expos. Yeah, it's this giant box of
32:00
gift bags. It's pretty funny.
32:03
Yeah, and they are basic. They're literally one color and
32:05
the tissue papers and one color.
32:06
They are mass produced blah blah
32:08
They look like what you'd give
32:12
in. Yeah, Kody says.
32:15
The devil comes out when they compare pieces.
32:18
This is the kind of stuff that
32:22
out. He's worried about them
32:27
comparing the pieces and being
32:31
he'll poke his eyes out. I think you're right that he was
32:36
at Robyn's because I noted that all of the wives are waiting in
32:39
Meri's kitchen to receive these once in a lifetime gifts and
32:45
right before this very special
32:48
Oh. There's also signs behind him
32:52
that look like they go up at the
32:55
Sister Wives logos on them and then the box of the gift
32:59
wrapping is there. So all of these boxes of the
33:02
shit that belong with the jewelry are there, which they
33:05
have to be at Robyn's house then, right?
33:07
She's got the boxes of shit everywhere.
33:09
Probably. Yeah, and the sign behind him
33:11
had graphics that looked like they were clipped art, Word art,
33:16
where Clippy, the helper in the Word document was saying it's
33:21
going to be let's use that. That's a good font.
33:24
Well honey, you are talking about my sister wife's closet
33:27
world headquarters. OK, so shit, let's give it the
33:30
respect that it deserves. Which is Clippy in the clip art.
33:33
You're right. With a fountain out front that
33:35
looks like the knuckle bear claw
33:38
That this is it, darn it. World Headquarters.
33:41
Who gets their jewelry first? Oh well, wife #1 Meri, of
33:45
course, the most special wife.
33:49
going in or Oh no, they. They don't, they don't, they
33:52
don't go in order, but they start with Meri and she opens up
33:57
her gift. She opens up her little box that
34:00
the jewelry's in and she goes,
34:04
And I was like, oh, really cool.
34:05
It's not really cool. It's really, I can't even say it
34:09
Really. Cool.
34:10
Really cool. Really cool.
34:12
Oh God. And of course, Kody has to tell
34:16
us the story about how Fidelis is on the jewelry, which is
34:21
Latin for loyalty, right? I'm sorry, you guys, right now
34:26
I can't even. And that has the heart with the
34:29
heart on, as you talked about in our previous in our previous
34:32
episode. In our.
34:34
Previous episode and it really is beautiful.
34:37
It's a one-of-a-kind. It's really cool.
34:41
Really cool. The molds they must have used to
34:49
Oh, you thought they lacked detail?
34:52
Very much so. Oh, OK.
34:54
I thought they looked pristine, like something you would pay
34:58
thousands of dollars. Sharp and crisp.
35:00
But if but if it was available wholesale, let let's say guilt
35:10
Look at me remembering. The mermaids swimming in the
35:13
background. Quality pieces.
35:14
I would be enticed to buy them then.
35:17
Very enticed you wouldn't be able to control yourself.
35:22
No, the guilt would take over after I bought all the pieces
35:26
You. Wouldn't be able to put anybody
35:28
through college after spending all your money on my sister
35:32
wife's closet jewelry, man. Her second wife to receive her
35:40
Janelle. She opens up her box and I have
35:43
to laugh because she just kind of smiles a little and then
35:47
turns it to the side and shows Christine.
35:49
And Christine says that is so incredibly awesome.
35:54
And when I saw it, my reaction was that is so incredibly
36:00
hideous. It's gigantic.
36:03
First of all, this thing looks like it's about 3 inches long.
36:17
It's a huge tree and the leaves on the tree are these giant
36:23
black stones, and I don't understand because they're
36:26
probably not real. Do you think they're real
36:29
something? Well, I didn't think they were
36:32
black. So I don't know.
36:34
I don't. I think it's matte black.
36:35
I don't even think they were stones.
36:37
Oh. Lord.
36:37
Either way, I don't know why they're black.
36:40
It's very strange because it just looks like tree roots and a
36:45
You're Oh my gosh, I was thinking to myself, Oh well, at
36:49
least she got stones on hers. No.
36:51
I was probably wrong. I don't think so.
36:53
I think it was pretty smooth. Can he get my eyes checked
36:57
again? God damn, one of the see.
37:00
That's why you're judging the jewelry so harshly, honey.
37:03
You're just not seeing. It's just my eyes.
37:05
It's my eyes. These.
37:07
Masterpieces. The first thing that I noticed
37:14
It's one of those key chains that you can break, and it's got
37:23
you know, kind of break the pieces off and put it back
37:26
together, however short or long you wanted it.
37:28
A ball and chain necklace he gave her.
37:32
That's what she got, The big old
37:36
But just bigger and larger than those little key chain.
37:39
Make it your own size things instead.
37:41
It's just jumbo size that's supposed to go around Janelle
37:44
neck, her very petite neck. So this has to be kind of big.
37:48
It's got to be kind of long, you
37:50
And Kody steps behind Janelle and places the necklace around
37:54
her, and the wives joke that This is why he gave her that
37:58
necklace, was to have the opportunity to put it around her
38:01
neck all intimately in front of all of them in the kitchen.
38:05
It's bizarre. They're joking is so weird.
38:07
It makes sense. It's a weird comment to make for
38:09
one wife. Instead of saying, oh he gave us
38:12
necklaces so he could touch all of our necks and our
38:14
decklitages, No, they make it about her.
38:20
I thought it was about the chain.
38:21
I thought maybe they were making
38:24
she wouldn't be able to get it
38:27
That's honestly what I was thinking.
38:30
She's like captive that she would never be able to leave
38:32
because you couldn't get the necklace.
38:34
All it off. You can't get this off.
38:37
Oh God. Oh Lord, Oh my.
38:39
Oh Lord help. Me got this tree around my neck.
38:44
But Janelle is very earthy, so
38:47
he thinks of her as dirt. What comes out of the dirt I.
38:51
Should say Earth. Our third wife to receive her
38:55
gift is not Christine. So we go out of order here.
39:00
It's going to be Robyn. Oh, beautiful Robyn.
39:04
She gets a heart with bird feather wings coming off around
39:10
it, like fingers off the side of
39:14
rudimentary creepy looking head with a beak sticking off the
39:19
top of the heart and it's supposed to be a phoenix and
39:21
it looks like a Demogorgon's rib cage from Stranger Things.
39:26
Oh, how specific? I don't understand what this is,
39:29
but it's one of the creepiest,
39:32
ever seen. Then I would not hang it on my
39:34
neck for fear of it stealing my soul.
39:37
Well, to be fair, you couldn't
39:41
To be fair, my eyes could not see this thing.
39:47
But you know, when Robyn's opening up her box, she says.
39:49
I'm so nervous. This is so nervous because she
39:53
could sense that it wanted to steal her soul.
39:55
Well, this for once, Robyn's intuition was actually.
39:58
Was. We're continuing with the bird
40:00
theme with Robyn. As we've talked about, not only
40:02
is she named Robyn, and not only
40:07
She's going to be getting a gift
40:10
little bit more about, He says.
40:12
A long time ago we had a song that both you and I loved and it
40:25
A phoenix rising out of the ashes is like a goddess?
40:29
And aren't you guys polygamous? And isn't goddess kind of weird
40:32
to be doing? I, I don't, I just, I was
40:35
distracted because I threw up and I had to swallow it quickly,
40:40
So I kind of got distracted during all of.
40:42
This When we first heard of his idea for this phoenix, it was
40:45
due to the fact that she rose from the ashes out of her
40:48
divorce. Right, right.
40:50
Like a phoenix from your divorce ashes.
40:53
She got that beak in that Habsburg jaw and she jutted in
41:02
I'm wondering what song this could have been where a goddess
41:05
rises out of the ashes like a phoenix.
41:07
I'm going. I guess I could have just Google
41:13
Going to move on from the rib cage necklace.
41:15
The 4th but not the last. Christine is about to receive
41:22
her gift, and she gets this heart with etching on one side.
41:27
It's hollow in the middle.
41:30
So you get a silver side and an etched side that looks dark.
41:34
And on the silver side, there's a little fairy Pixie, A Pixie,
41:40
as Kody would call it, sitting
41:43
And he says it's like the Pixie is sitting on the moon, on the
41:47
light side of the moon, but she has her dark side on the other
41:50
side. Yeah.
41:53
The dark side of the moon, which
41:57
thought it looked like it was covered in scales like a fish.
41:59
That's what it looked like to me.
42:01
And then when they showed the second shot I saw it looks more
42:04
like lattice, like it's. Like hatching?
42:07
What do they call that? It is thatching, right?
42:09
Like a thatching type of a pattern.
42:12
Girl, you're asking me about a
42:13
I just called it lattice. I don't know, it's just
42:15
crisscross and it's just weird
42:18
and so it looked to me like scales.
42:21
Either way, it just looks like a
42:23
and half dirty black fish scales or something.
42:26
I don't I not appealing. And Christine definitely felt
42:30
the unappeal of this necklace as
42:32
She looks unexcited and she's just kind of looking at it
42:37
there. Would you just look at it?
42:40
Just look at it, Robyn. And.
42:42
Robyn was just looking at it too.
42:45
And she goes, do you love it? And Christine says, yeah, it's
42:50
nice. And Chris and I would have said
42:54
is. Different.
42:55
It's different. It's different.
42:57
Would you look at it? Just look at it.
43:00
It's different. And Christine says in commentary
43:04
she doesn't like the etching. It makes it look harsh, and I
43:08
agree. Actually, Christine's piece of
43:11
jewelry is probably my favorite of all of them.
43:14
But the half of it, the half of it with the fairy sitting on
43:17
the shiny side, is cute. Yeah, I'd used it for a key
43:22
chain. Yeah, with Janelle's rope
43:25
necklace around it as a key chain on my backpack when I was
43:27
10. Right.
43:28
Well, it aligns with your childhood interest in the
43:31
fairies from Ireland or whatever, of course.
43:34
Yes. But Christine doesn't seem to
43:37
like it, as you were saying. And you know Kody's not going to
43:40
be beat down by Christine's disappointment in his thoughtful
43:43
gift. He says it's OK, you don't like
43:45
it, you inspired me to make it, and you'll still inspire me to
43:50
do more. Like he's going to fix this,
43:55
he's going to make something better, and she's still
43:57
inspiring him. And it's the phoniest bullshit
44:01
ever. Yeah, well, they're not even
44:03
looking at each other. He wraps it up by saying I've
44:05
got this. And I thought, what you what do
44:08
you mean you've got this? Like, what is that?
44:11
What do you? What is that?
44:13
These two people are not connected at all right now.
44:15
It is so bizarre. He's talking about himself
44:17
making it better as if he's solving a problem.
44:19
And meanwhile, it's like, this
44:21
because you did it anyway. And I don't know that's true.
44:26
This makes me hate men so much.
44:28
The through line in this jewelry is very much so that it is a man
44:37
So instead of it being shiny
44:40
pretty pieces of silver, he took
44:44
He had them etch into the metal and where the inlays were were
44:49
filled with black. If he would have left that
44:53
etched but left it silver inside
44:58
would have been pretty and shiny
45:03
But Christine is right, she doesn't like it.
45:04
It makes it look harsh. It makes it look masculine.
45:08
All of these pieces look very masculine, and I kind of can't
45:13
believe that Gina allowed it. I was going to say Moreno
45:16
Enterprises here. She got my mustard seed last
45:19
time and I'm regretting it. I can't believe that she allowed
45:24
for the black to be inlaid in the etching.
45:27
One of your biggest regrets in
45:29
One of my biggest regrets is. Giving Gina that fucking mustard
45:32
seed God. Damn it, Gina.
45:34
Disappointment. Disappointment.
45:39
Damn Gina. You let me down.
45:43
She really did. This is pretty awful.
45:46
Yeah. I wouldn't have put this out.
45:47
Hideous. I wouldn't have done it, but
45:50
that's just me. Pat is coming to town, coming to
45:56
the cul-de-sac. Pat coming to meet the family.
46:00
Oh. Pat, our dearly devoted and
46:03
loved therapist from the Greater
46:07
Coming all the way to the Brown family cul-de-sac from Lehigh
46:11
is A1 Pat. Don't hear her last name.
46:16
Holy shit. Very enthusiastic about Pat's
46:18
visit. Is Kimber.
46:19
Everyone is. Oh, everyone's very excited.
46:22
Everyone's so excited about it.
46:23
Well, I felt starstruck because I thought, is this Lyle Lovett
46:29
But no, it's a softer version of Lyle Lovett, a more lesbian
46:33
looking version. Pat.
46:35
And I thought, are we about to get a musical number from Miss
46:47
Miss Hannibal. Well, also I just remembering
46:50
now that I feel there's a vintage SNL skit about someone
47:01
It's just Pat, and it's totally that name that works, and Pat
47:04
fits the part. Pat fits the part here.
47:07
Pat has freshly dyed hair. She gives us an introduction of
47:12
her own. Because Pat introduces herself.
47:15
Because Pat is Pat.
47:16
She's a feminist. And Pat says the Browns are the
47:21
first polygamous family that I
47:25
I've known them for five years
47:28
And we heard a little record scratch a mouse.
47:31
A little tiny mouse went. Well, not only that, she's never
47:36
even paid attention to polygamy,
47:39
started working with the Browns.
47:40
So I rat scratched the record. Oh yeah, Pat Rat scratched that
47:46
Pat record. These liars.
47:49
These dirty, dirty, lying Browns.
47:52
Why are they liars, honey? They said that Pat was a
47:56
specialist in plural relationship.
47:59
They absolutely did. Come to find out she didn't give
48:06
Interesting. Now, five years after working
48:09
with the Browns, she's a specialist in IT.
48:11
A How does one get a specialty in plural marriage, eh?
48:16
Perhaps working with the Browns for five years, eh?
48:18
They. Probably solved a lot of
48:20
problems during that time. Clearly they're well adjusted.
48:26
nests in the brown family. This one.
48:28
As we see Pat moseying through the homes at the Brown family
48:32
cul-de-sac, we hear Meri telling Pat that Meri still needs to
48:35
figure out who she is. And I love it because Pat goes
48:41
Which I love. What a great response.
48:44
Yeah, you sure do. Which is a little contrary to
48:48
what Pat says later here. She says that first Meri and
48:52
Kody saw her for communication. So I think that Meri and Kody
48:58
went to her individually to begin with.
49:01
OK. And then as they felt they could
49:08
secret and hide from everybody for so long.
49:10
That makes sense. Everybody started trickling in
49:18
Even Robyn knows her. So this was during the show that
49:27
These fucking liars.
49:28
I would like to say again, Pat
49:33
of the issues were resolved. Including the family's use of
49:37
angry voices and their fears. But luckily these issues were
49:41
resolved. Prayings are complicated.
49:47
How were these issues resolved?
49:49
And isn't that a bit weird for a therapist to say I is anything
49:56
That a therapist would say the issues were resolved?
50:00
No. We're always ongoing.
50:02
We're always growing, we're always learning.
50:04
There is growth to be had. There is new opinions to be had.
50:13
were resolved? It's a very bizarre statement
50:17
for a therapist to say. I it was a huge red flag for me
50:21
and I'm no therapist. Large red flag.
50:23
Yeah, I'm going. I don't really think that
50:25
anything's ever labeled resolved.
50:27
I don't really know what that means.
50:29
Maybe a math problem? Yeah, right.
50:31
Oh, God. Like you paid the bill on time
50:33
that month. Well, I guess my billing is
50:35
resolved. It's not.
50:36
Oh, I have trust issues, but I
50:38
It's resolved. Like what?
50:40
Things always rear their ugly head, Pat, and you should know
50:43
that. And if you don't, I'm concerned,
50:47
deeply concerned. Well, Pat, you know, she was so
50:50
distracted by learning about this polygamist family so that
50:53
she could become a polygamist expert.
50:55
She was too busy singing Annie
51:01
From Lyle Lovett. I don't know any Lyle Lovett
51:02
songs, but you know, he does have that jet black hair, which
51:05
is why I was going. Yeah, the Lyle Lovett look here
51:08
I. Just can't believe she was too
51:09
busy focused on her music career
51:13
issues can be resolved. OK, clearly and with these
51:17
people, I'm suspicious of how much time Pat has spent with
51:21
them and really knows about them.
51:22
If she thinks any of their issues are resolved, that's
51:25
ridiculous. I think that these guys are such
51:27
good liars and they're so used
51:29
people's eyes that they probably
51:33
we're going to find out some of them do.
51:38
Pat tells us that the family going to Sedona, she's concerned
51:41
for them because not everyone is
51:45
new therapist. Oh, we're getting Nancy involved
51:49
here, throwing in a new therapist, and not everyone's
51:51
going to be as open to starting with her.
51:54
We go to Christine's house where
51:58
pretty cute because we've got little Truly on the bed and
52:03
Christine sitting on the edge of the bed and Pat's there and
52:05
they're catching up a little bit and Truly is excited to see
52:09
her, which makes me think perhaps they did therapy
52:11
sessions at the house. I don't know.
52:13
She knows. She seems to know the kids a
52:15
bit. And I noticed that Christine's
52:18
house is very sparse, and what
52:23
some random furniture here and
52:28
signs and they don't even fit the wall.
52:31
They're way too small for the area that they're hung in.
52:35
Well, why buy one big sign that you can put on one wall when
52:37
you could buy six small ones and
52:40
Randomly at different heights throughout your house.
52:45
Girl, I know. I think it's funny that you
52:48
think Pat knows Truly, because I
52:51
up and slammed her into the ground like a bouncy ball.
52:54
And I thought, wow, how violent Pat.
52:57
My goodness. After this abrupt truly slamming
53:04
we get to go to Sedona. We arrive in Sedona, AZ at
53:12
Spirit quest. We get to meet the Co founders
53:17
of Spirit Quest and and Catherine.
53:21
Oh, I missed their names. I was noting down male host, so
53:25
if I refer to Ed as male host,
53:28
catch his name. It's the manliest man named
53:30
Everett, Ed. Ed.
53:33
Oh yeah, I have some Eds and it's definitely Ed.
53:35
Yeah. Now, before they arrive at
53:37
Sedona, Christine lets us know
53:41
She's not looking forward to Sedona at all because she thinks
53:44
this might just open a can of worms.
53:48
And I thought, wow. In this interview done in the
53:51
future, Christine can really see
53:54
the potential future by letting us know that a can of worms
53:57
could be opened on this trip. And if anyone's going to help
54:00
them with their opening of the
54:04
Ed is in touch with himself. He's in touch with many parts of
54:07
himself, and he could be in touch with many parts of you
54:09
all. Kody describes Eddon Catherine
54:12
as cowboy hippies. His favorite word is hippie.
54:17
Oh God, he says hippie so many
54:19
In the But the peace sign that
54:21
Everyone's a hippie, everyone's a hippie, things are hippie
54:24
ish, people are hippies, blah blah blah.
54:26
At some point throughout this episode, Christine says every
54:29
time you say hippie, we cringe.
54:31
We just cringe. We hate it.
54:33
Don't say hippie, Kody. Yes, he won't stop.
54:35
He's. All the time.
54:37
He does, he says hippie like 37 times in this episode.
54:39
Christine, I'm with you. I'm with you.
54:42
It's cringe worthy cowboy hippies on top of it.
54:45
No way. No way.
54:49
But to rest them assured and tells them, don't worry,
54:55
millions of people from many faiths around the world use
54:58
meditation to get in touch with themselves.
55:00
So while we venture out to the red rocks, another return to the
55:06
Let it in. Let it touch you where you need
55:09
to be touched. Bed is about to lead this
55:12
meditation, and as it gets started, Kody starts feeling a
55:20
little fingers. It's ants.
55:24
Literal. Ants.
55:25
Ants are crawling all over the ground.
55:28
They show a close up. They're all sitting on yoga mats
55:41
Kody loses it and says I can't meditate like this, I need to
55:46
move, I need to go somewhere else, can't get into my Zen
55:50
hippie mode. And it does crack me up because
55:55
I think Robyn is the one that points out that the ants start
56:03
Yes. And they start climbing up Ed
56:06
and they're all over Ed during the meditation.
56:09
And he's totally sitting there like the monkey from Lion King,
56:15
just meditating totally in his own.
56:18
He's Ed. He's cool, calm and collected.
56:24
never be able to meditate with bugs crawling on me.
56:28
Like what? No, we've got our Rafiki and
56:31
sitting there, Rafiki chilling like a little villain, and
56:36
everyone else is looking around except for Janelle.
56:40
Janelle is so grateful. She loves us.
56:44
She's the hippie dippie of the family.
56:46
She totally is. She tried to live in that teepee
56:51
You know, forget about. That you know, she's very
56:53
earthy, just like the tree with the black leaves.
56:56
The Ant thing would send me. It would.
57:01
It would send me off the edge of those red rocks.
57:03
Yeah, for real. Ants are one of the grossest
57:05
things ever. When you see a clump of ants on
57:08
a sidewalk just on top of a piece of food or something.
57:11
No, it's like. The way they gather makes it
57:14
look like a surface is moving. It's just not right.
57:17
And I know it's not very Zen, it's not very Rafiki, but I
57:20
would not be able to sit there and let ants crawl on any parts
57:24
of my body and be oh so in touch with my aura and what's
57:28
happening? This is one of you guys I got
57:31
to, I got to tell you this. This is one of the many times I
57:35
agree with Kody during this episode.
57:37
One of the many times. I'm going to say it.
57:40
I thought you were going to say this is one of my biggest fears
57:42
because you like to say that a lot too.
57:44
There's been many times in the show where you're like, it's one
57:50
biggest fears being covered in ants.
57:52
This is like your 17th biggest fear You're.
57:55
Going to get in the cringes so bad right now.
57:57
Now I'm like geeking. Oh my God, We've had ants come
58:06
they coming from? If it's right here, if they're
58:11
Until we started doing this show together, honey, I had no idea
58:18
This is one of the things with
58:20
I try not to ever react in front
58:24
I don't want them to have my fears.
58:25
I'm like. Meh.
58:27
Stone faced. Don't let them see your fears
58:29
because you don't want them to
58:33
what happens. To live a life like you mom
58:36
living in fear. Thanks mom but this no way no
58:41
how. Kody, I agree with you.
58:45
This episode is disturbing for
58:50
I, I, I could go on and on. No, not right now, but I'm
58:54
agreeing with Kody. Hey.
58:56
You know, it pains. Listen, it pains me to do it
58:58
when I have to do it. It's painful.
59:00
This entire episode is going to be painful for me because it's
59:02
going to happen many times. It's one of your biggest fears.
59:04
This is relating to Kody Brown.
59:06
OH. No, I'm going to have nightmares
59:19
center, their ALM, their whatnot.
59:21
They all sit down with Nancy indoors and she gives them the
59:29
And she starts with Meri. And I was very happy because she
59:38
a reformer. And I was going, oh, I love that
59:43
they are. We don't.
59:45
We only get married. We only get married.
59:47
Yep. So, you know, Meri is driven to
59:51
speak the truth. At times it may be brutal in its
59:58
And as Nancy is sharing this with Meri, she starts to get
1:00:03
emotional. It's easy to get emotional when
1:00:05
people are sharing things with you about your perceived self.
1:00:14
You have a compulsion to speak. Oh.
1:00:17
Which is very merry coded. I feel like Meri has a
1:00:23
compulsion for a lot of things. Wet bars.
1:00:27
Wet bars, speaking, telling her truth.
1:00:32
Standing over people telling them what to do.
1:00:35
Making sure that things are even and centered, and that they
1:00:39
aren't tilted this way or that. Yeah, she's particular that.
1:00:44
Very particular Kody says that he sees these things, these
1:00:51
personality answers, as a way to learn how to deal with his
1:00:59
wives. And he's highlighting to us that
1:01:05
So managing is the word that he uses to describe the way he's
1:01:10
trying to approach this information about his lovely
1:01:13
wives. And Nancy points out that that
1:01:22
wives hot off the heels of discussing Meri's feelings.
1:01:27
Oh, God. And it's true.
1:01:30
He shouldn't be doing that. And we all know this, that the
1:01:34
So we caught an example, I guess.
1:01:37
And this gives Robyn an opportunity to enlighten us
1:01:40
further where she says that Nancy is aggressive.
1:01:44
And Janelle says, well, she doesn't think Nancy's
1:01:47
aggressive. She thinks Nancy's assertive.
1:01:50
Yeah, Janelle would switch up that wording.
1:01:53
Nancy says that Kody needs to be more empathetic, not to use this
1:02:04
with his wives, to understand how they're feeling, not how to
1:02:09
use it to manipulate essentially and.
1:02:12
Right. Yeah, while we're getting these
1:02:15
couch moments, when they're reflecting on their time with
1:02:18
Nancy, we have Meri on the far left and then Robyn, Kody in the
1:02:25
And I'm only pointing this out because it seems like we do get
1:02:29
these scenarios often where Robyn is, maybe not often, but
1:02:35
It's like Kody's in the middle and then you got Robyn and then
1:02:38
Meri on the other side, which I feel is very Speaking of their
1:02:46
Yeah. And then we have Christine on
1:02:48
the other side and Janelle, which, you know, I don't really
1:02:51
know. I don't really read into that
1:02:53
too much. You could switch Christine and
1:03:00
Robyn is being super defensive of Kody and Robyn says they all
1:03:06
need to be invested in their relationships with each other
1:03:10
too, not just their relationship with Kody.
1:03:12
And I'm making that sound super intelligent because I had to
1:03:16
decipher what she was saying. She didn't just come out and say
1:03:22
lazy in their relationships emotionally with each other.
1:03:25
And as she is saying this on the couch, I noticed that Meri and
1:03:37
exact same position. They're wearing jeans that could
1:03:43
shirts over long sleeve tops that could be twins.
1:03:46
And they're mirroring each other's sitting position
1:03:51
exactly. So it's Meri, Rob and Kody on
1:03:56
the couch, and Robyn is speaking and Meri's nodding her head and
1:04:03
they're twinning. Yeah, they are twinning.
1:04:06
It's super creepy and I want to know who is mimicking who.
1:04:13
Is Meri mimicking Robyn because she wants to be in a favor with
1:04:20
Kody and close to Robyn. This is a tale as old as time
1:04:25
tactic right? Like if you are in a meeting
1:04:28
with your boss and your boss is sitting with their arms crossed,
1:04:34
If your boss has an open body posture and has their hands on
1:04:40
You need to be relatable, and to be relatable, you would mirror
1:04:50
And I believe that Meri is mirroring Robyn.
1:04:53
Yeah, and the baseline, as you know, just some typical man,
1:04:59
just some idiot here, Meri picks up on Robyn getting approval
1:05:03
from Kody and being in Kody's good graces.
1:05:05
And so adapting that and putting it on herself would make sense.
1:05:10
Oh, God.
1:05:11
And while this was happening, you asked if I was noticing what
1:05:14
you were noticing. And I didn't know what you were
1:05:15
noticing. I didn't pick up on that.
1:05:17
So I even said, oh, well, I don't know.
1:05:18
And then as I was looking, I noticed that Robyn has French
1:05:21
tip toenails. And the French tip toenails were
1:05:24
like ice white. And I go, Oh my gosh, those
1:05:28
French tips are white. So I thought that's what you
1:05:30
were talking about. I didn't quite pick up on the
1:05:33
exact same way that they were sitting and that they were
1:05:35
basically wearing the same clothes with different colored
1:05:37
shirts. I wanted you to see it because
1:05:39
it was creepy. It was Stepford wives ish.
1:05:44
It was odd and I'm not sure if
1:05:50
with Kody or Meri trying to gain
1:05:53
Oh, sure. OK.
1:05:55
Or vice versa. Yeah, there are so many
1:05:58
dichotomies here. I could see either one.
1:06:01
I could see it being both. You know, two birds, one stone.
1:06:04
I could too. Two Well, there's another bird
1:06:07
tie in for Robyn. The shirts they're wearing over
1:06:10
their long sleeves are Affliction ish type shirts with
1:06:12
see through parts T-shirts that have scattered like scratch
1:06:19
looking marks on them like Affliction with see through ish
1:06:22
parts. And it's of the time, very of
1:06:26
the time, something I would have
1:06:29
sleeve under it and a bra showing on purpose or some
1:06:33
bullshit. Speaking of trying to look like
1:06:36
people, Colleen. Anyway, Nancy asks if in order
1:06:43
their authentic communications with each other?
1:06:45
Well, I wonder if that's what they need to do, Nancy.
1:06:48
You know, do they need significant improvement on their
1:06:54
What a great question. Should they be not just polite
1:07:00
Now we do know that this is true, that they do need
1:07:05
significant improvements on their relationships and in
1:07:07
communications, and being authentic but polite and
1:07:10
coexisting was quite a significant statement, I
1:07:13
thought. And, you know, they basically
1:07:16
are coexisting. And Janelle says something here.
1:07:21
home. Janelle says she's at a point
1:07:25
where she is happy being separate.
1:07:27
She's there. She just doesn't feel that
1:07:30
invested. She's there with the family.
1:07:34
She is coexisting. As Nancy said, she doesn't feel
1:07:39
that invested. She doesn't feel the need to put
1:07:42
more of her time and energy into
1:07:46
She's happy being separate. Which aligns with her vibe
1:07:49
overall that we've had from basically the beginning of the
1:07:51
show. But she is saying this out loud
1:07:55
in a session with a therapist where they're getting to know
1:07:57
each other, and it's quite telling.
1:07:59
I mean, she's being honest. She's in front of everyone when
1:08:02
she says this. Yeah, she's also.
1:08:03
Saying in front of the people she's coexisting with her sister
1:08:06
wives and her husband. Yeah, this might be one of the
1:08:09
first times they do pin it as a shocking moment.
1:08:13
Yeah, yeah. It's not shocking.
1:08:14
We all know it, We all see it,
1:08:18
They're pretending to be shocked
1:08:21
someone's actually said it out
1:08:23
OK, Yeah, yeah. And then they decide to go on a
1:08:27
walk. Oh, this show is so TLC.
1:08:32
It is so TLC. Dropping the bomb.
1:08:35
Can you believe it? We're going to go on a walk.
1:08:37
Why is Kody happy to go on a walk?
1:08:40
I don't know why is Kody happy
1:08:43
feels like he's doing all the heavy lifting emotionally.
1:08:46
When I have expressed myself and
1:08:50
deepest, darkest shaved regions of myself, then I want to go on
1:08:56
a walk. You're manscaping again.
1:08:58
Oh, you know, I haven't stopped manscaping.
1:09:01
I let it go a little bit last week.
1:09:02
And then I thought, Chris, you
1:09:04
You never know. You never know when Kimber's
1:09:06
going to walk into the bathroom on you again.
1:09:08
You better take care. Of it and startle me.
1:09:12
Kody says that he is relieved to
1:09:16
like he is doing all the heavy
1:09:20
Emotionally, I don't really have
1:09:25
Hey, you know, someone might think I have the stomach to
1:09:28
manage for women, and I'm going to say that out loud, manage
1:09:31
for women, but it's all just fat.
1:09:34
The tummy itself is actually really small, so I wouldn't be
1:09:40
hopefully this walk would lead us to a place on the red rocks
1:09:45
It was quite blustery. I was distracted because their
1:09:50
pictures. And it looked like, Oh my God,
1:09:54
mountain. They're all taking pictures,
1:09:56
they're posing for pictures and we get Robyn, we get Meri, we
1:10:03
get Christine posing for a picture together, being all
1:10:07
cutesy tootsy. No, Janelle.
1:10:09
No, not at first, because the three wives decide to descend on
1:10:18
And Janelle crouches down in front and they take a picture
1:10:22
with Janelle and it's all he he he he ha ha ha ha.
1:10:27
And then Nancy says that she thinks that this is the first
1:10:31
time that she has seen the wives truly connect.
1:10:35
Forced photography connects us all.
1:10:39
Well, I think it's funny because by the end of this little
1:10:44
montage of them taking photos, I thought that they did look like
1:10:47
they were genuinely having a good time taking these pictures.
1:10:53
denial and I'm delusional? Probably, but there's something
1:10:56
about a staged photo where everyone looks happy that makes
1:10:59
me buy into it. I actually thought it was cute
1:11:02
that Janelle was taking the photo, didn't want to be a part
1:11:06
of it, and then they forced her to.
1:11:08
Yeah, it was cute. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't write a
1:11:12
book about it, but I wasn't also
1:11:14
terrible. I thought it was all right.
1:11:16
I wasn't scared that one of them
1:11:18
one off of the red rocks, so. That's a good sign.
1:11:22
Janelle was wearing a red shirt.
1:11:25
Yes, she was wearing a shirt and it was red.
1:11:30
She always wears these solid colored shirts that are like.
1:11:34
They're either priMeri or like 1 shade off.
1:11:36
I'm just saying she. Was wearing a bright red shirt
1:11:41
No, if it isn't bright red, it's bright blue.
1:11:44
Or it's black and it's shiny. It's usually purple, shiny,
1:11:48
black, shiny. A lot of shine.
1:11:51
Oh God, well I'm sorry. Luckily, through this experience
1:11:56
Nancy talks about how she's glad
1:12:00
first session because it really helped her to get to know the
1:12:03
family. She got to ease in there.
1:12:05
Pat was the Lube of introducing Nancy to this polygamist
1:12:10
family. She.
1:12:10
Eased her into the situation. That's just the tip.
1:12:14
And as we say goodbye to Pat, it feels like a good time to say
1:12:19
goodbye to you. Goodbye.
1:12:20
This is our second episode in a row where we're going to have to
1:12:29
fit it all in. Too much.
1:12:31
Too much, too much of a good thing here on my Sister Wives
1:12:35
podcast. So come back on Thursday.
1:12:37
Part 2 will be dropping here. TTFN Tata for now.