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Why are Things so Heavy in the Present? · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 3: this week we return to a previous discussion.
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  Speaker 4: In episode 421, I sat down with Paul and.
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  Speaker 3: Gina for another session of Remake Roundabout.
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  Speaker 1: Which to some extent we started, but along the way
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  Speaker 1: we ended up spiraling off into many different areas, and
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  Speaker 1: occasionally veered head-on into, as Paul later put it, the
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  Speaker 1: evils of humanity. Now we didn't exactly see all that
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  Speaker 1: coming when we sat down to start talking, but once
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  Speaker 1: we were on a roll, I knew it had gotten
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  Speaker 1: way too interesting to stop. So this week, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to continue our conversation. But along the way, we may
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  Speaker 1: make references to our earlier topics, and more than likely
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  Speaker 1: we'll bring up Nissan pants and other ridiculous comments from
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  Speaker 1: the past. So if you haven't already listened, go back
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  Speaker 1: a couple episodes and listen to The Evils of Humanity
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  Speaker 1: by Way of Remakes. And then you'll be in sync
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  Speaker 1: with all of our topics, like remakes and selling yourself
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  Speaker 1: to corporate sponsorship and being pressured to do lascivious things
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  Speaker 1: just to survive in Hollywood. In fact, I believe we're
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  Speaker 1: going to kick things off with just that. That was
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  Speaker 1: an interesting... I mean, it's a fascinating topic, really.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then, you know, you think about, like, well,
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  Speaker 5: that's the way the system works. So it's like when you...
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  Speaker 5: Does that system breed more people that are okay with
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  Speaker 5: that system?
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  Speaker 4: Right, because they're brought into the.
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  Speaker 1: That's the assumption. You have to sleep your way to
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  Speaker 1: the top, right? I mean, it wasn't even a hidden thing. Like,
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  Speaker 1: people knew that about Hollywood, you know?
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  Speaker 5: Right, but that brings... Like, you're kind of creating this self-fulfilling... Yeah. System. Like,
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  Speaker 5: that's it?
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  Speaker 1: That's what you do?
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  Speaker 4: The term casting couch has double-meaning.
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  Speaker 1: A long time.
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  Speaker 5: Has existed, yeah. Like, has reason for that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's like, we're also, like, we're
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  Speaker 1: being okay with it as these kids keep going to Hollywood. Like,
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  Speaker 1: they know, they're like... This is a 90% chance this
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  Speaker 1: is probably going to happen to me. So I, and
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  Speaker 1: it is one of those, like, it is weird having
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  Speaker 1: what little, you know, how removed I am from it,
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  Speaker 1: but having someone that, that I kind of know and from,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they live in LA. I would still kind
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  Speaker 1: of consider them a friend. They've been on the show.
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  Speaker 1: They put out a post that were like, yeah, luckily
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  Speaker 1: somebody warned me. It's a picture of them. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the people that got busted was, On their feed,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, I met this person, and luckily
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  Speaker 1: people around me warned me ahead of time, and I
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  Speaker 1: was able to avoid it. But knowing that she went there,
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  Speaker 1: she went to that town, she knew what she was
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting herself into, and still had to fight
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  Speaker 1: that fight every day.
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  Speaker 5: But she was smart enough and had enough self-control.
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  Speaker 1: Respect.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, preservation.
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  Speaker 1: But even then, I feel so bad for everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: For everybody else, yeah. It's a weird situation. It's also
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  Speaker 1: self-preservation at that point of like, I'm a starving kid
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  Speaker 1: in LA and I want to... make it like not
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  Speaker 1: just yeah not just i want to make it as
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  Speaker 1: a superstar i want to make it through the.
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  Speaker 5: Week yeah i want to pay my rent yeah but
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  Speaker 5: also i think sometimes you're put into those situations and
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  Speaker 5: you don't even like your brain kind of shuts down
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  Speaker 5: and you're operating from like your reptile brain that's like
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  Speaker 5: you're just getting through that moment and then you're like
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  Speaker 5: what just happened yeah you know and then you're like
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  Speaker 5: oh my god that's super humiliating you know And that's
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  Speaker 5: not cool. That's just preying on people, and that's why
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  Speaker 5: that's wrong. Let me say this. If a man or
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  Speaker 5: a woman wants to sleep their way to the top
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  Speaker 5: and they are totally okay with that, then that's fine.
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  Speaker 5: And that not the system should work that way? I
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  Speaker 5: don't think the system.
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  Speaker 1: Should work that way. Yeah, I was going to say,
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  Speaker 1: that brings up another end.
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  Speaker 5: Of the problem. But I'm not going to fault anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like, that's none of my business.
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  Speaker 1: If all parties are willing.
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  Speaker 5: If all parties are willing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different scenario, I feel like.
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  Speaker 5: It's still a wrong system. But it should not make
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  Speaker 5: a difference.
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  Speaker 1: The system.
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  Speaker 4: We live in a free society where you should be
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  Speaker 4: able to sleep your way.
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  Speaker 1: To the top.
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  Speaker 5: It's... No, I don't... No, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I agree with you. Kind of.
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  Speaker 5: In my hippie ideal world, no. You would get, like,
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  Speaker 5: on your... If you were good at something, you'd get there.
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  Speaker 1: But there's plenty of people... Oh, if you're good at it.
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  Speaker 5: There's plenty of people that bypass that.
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  Speaker 1: See, some jerk's still going to make that joke.
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  Speaker 5: And it sucks and it's bullshit. But I can't... Like,
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  Speaker 5: it's not my problem if.
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  Speaker 1: But again, you're contributing... It is my problem because I
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  Speaker 1: lose jobs or whatever. You're contributing to the overall... Well,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 5: You can't be the morality police. Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and I guess in a nutshell, what we're saying.
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  Speaker 5: Then yes, it's a problem because somebody has overstepped like
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  Speaker 5: however to get to the whatever.
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  Speaker 4: In a nutshell, what we're saying is it's a messy,
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  Speaker 4: disgusting world that we live in and are a part of.
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  Speaker 4: And the best we can hope for is that we
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  Speaker 4: make our small part.
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  Speaker 1: Of it tidy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like just keep it tidy.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep it tidy, man.
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  Speaker 5: But you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Like I can't slut shame. And by that, I actually
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  Speaker 1: mean just.
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  Speaker 5: Literally pick up after my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Keep your top on.
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  Speaker 5: But I can't, you know, shame someone.
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  Speaker 1: I should put this back on.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: You guys were talking.
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  Speaker 5: Put your Nissan pants back on.
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  Speaker 1: Damn it.
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  Speaker 5: I can't shame someone.
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  Speaker 1: Cover up your Nissan undies.
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  Speaker 5: Because they chose to bypass all the rough, whatever, hard
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  Speaker 5: work and said, I'm just going to get there the
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  Speaker 5: easy way.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: I don't believe in it. I wouldn't do it. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's wrong, but.
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  Speaker 1: I feel it's okay for you to have a problem
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  Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, but I can't... Publicly shaming them is wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose. But at the same time, I'm like, if
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  Speaker 1: you are willing to hold yourself to a specific set
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  Speaker 1: of standards, shouldn't you at least have that take for
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  Speaker 1: somebody else to? Like, you should expect them to. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean they're going to. Yeah, I do. But they don't.
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  Speaker 1: Expect them to. In the end, you know, there's always.
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  Speaker 4: As long as they're a willing participant, right? They're a
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  Speaker 4: consenting adult... You know, there's no way any of us can,
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  Speaker 4: you know, be the thought police and be there for
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  Speaker 4: those scenarios. Those sorts of deals are taking place in
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  Speaker 4: America everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: Whether you want to be an actress or an actor
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  Speaker 5: or a manager of a.
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  Speaker 1: Or a police officer or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Like Thorntons.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: People are making deals behind the scenes and sometimes they
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  Speaker 4: get away with it.
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  Speaker 1: Probably quite often. Yes. Probably most of the time. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of shady things are going on. Most of the
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  Speaker 1: time they're getting away with it. You know, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way we're going to change that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, all I can do is hold myself to
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  Speaker 5: a higher standard.
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  Speaker 1: I get that.
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  Speaker 5: If everybody did, then we wouldn't be in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that's part of it. I think you should,
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  Speaker 1: for whatever you feel about yourself, you should hold yourself
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  Speaker 1: to that standard. But then, again, maybe not the shaming
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  Speaker 1: part of it, maybe more of the encouraging part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Be like, if I can, number one, lead by example,
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  Speaker 1: and number two, kind of try to help people the
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  Speaker 1: right way and encourage them to also... live by some
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  Speaker 1: sort of code that doesn't drag them down that road.
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  Speaker 1: Like if everybody kind of got on that program, again,
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  Speaker 1: this is getting a little hippie like, but I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: if we got to a better, a better plane where
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  Speaker 1: everybody was on the up and up that like we
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  Speaker 1: would all be better off, but that's not how humans work.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, what kind of community really does Hollywood have?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's about what you do in front of
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  Speaker 4: the camera. It, does, I feel like, but it's weird
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  Speaker 4: that it's like.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not real. Well, I mean, it is a city.
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  Speaker 1: It is a functioning city that still take the industry
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  Speaker 1: out of it. There is a gas station. There's a
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  Speaker 1: grocery store. There's still a functioning system at work. But
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  Speaker 1: then we're layering the Hollywood system on top of this place.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what then ends up dragging down all the
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  Speaker 1: rest of it. Which probably also is underhanded.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, really, if you think about it, Hollywood is
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  Speaker 4: sort of like the triads are in Tokyo.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, it's a gang of drugs and
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  Speaker 1: sex and violence. Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 5: But that sounds like we live in like Bedford Falls.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like the guys at that grocery store and that gas
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  Speaker 1: station are also up to shady deals. Like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it has specifically. No, no, no. It's kind of
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  Speaker 1: rampant in the industry, the entertainment industry. But I feel
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  Speaker 1: like the, the rest of that stuff is equally as
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  Speaker 1: susceptible as the rest of the world, as the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the country. Everywhere in the world, people are having sex.
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  Speaker 1: And doing... nefarious things like and doing underhanded things and
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  Speaker 1: working no no no you're outside the system to get
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  Speaker 1: ahead you.
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  Speaker 5: Know but that's not what we're talking about no well
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  Speaker 5: i mean it is because it's a bigger we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about the bigger picture.
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  Speaker 4: So we're talking about the culture of abuse and neglect and.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah shady shit shady stuff i mean it's just a
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  Speaker 5: shady here Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 4: There is a dark side to every society.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. That's just got a more tight-knit system and
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  Speaker 1: it's constantly moving and projects here and there. Maybe more
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  Speaker 1: so than other systems.
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  Speaker 4: I guess what makes it different and why everybody is
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  Speaker 4: cheering for the downfall of a lot of these folks
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  Speaker 4: is because of the amount of money that's involved for
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  Speaker 4: these vessels.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of it too.
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  Speaker 5: Or maybe because you hope that it works its way
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  Speaker 5: down to everything else. You hope. It's this giant system
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  Speaker 5: that everybody knew. And you're like, God, I see this
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff every day in real life.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I think that's a fair point. Again, going
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  Speaker 1: outside of Hollywood in politics and all of that, we
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  Speaker 1: kind of have that. We're like, screw these guys with
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  Speaker 1: all this money. They do whatever the hell they want. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also people that are on their side saying it.
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  Speaker 1: It crosses over in so many different ways because you've
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  Speaker 1: got people on the just like middle America, don't care
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  Speaker 1: about Hollywood, screw those guys end of it saying it.
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  Speaker 1: But then you've got weird like– The right wingers hate
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  Speaker 1: the left. So they're saying, good, screw these lefties that
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  Speaker 1: are up there doing whatever they want. They're weird perverts.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like it's crossing over into all these different
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  Speaker 1: areas of everybody saying, screw them anyway, just because they're
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  Speaker 1: jealous of one thing or another or they hate one
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  Speaker 1: thing or another about that. So, again, it's like it.
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  Speaker 1: isn't even accomplishing anything in this process other than taking
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  Speaker 1: down people that may or may not be evil. So
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  Speaker 1: there is a well upside, but I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: unifying us in the process. It's just driving wedges in
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  Speaker 1: other areas. Yeah, it's messy.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that brings up a good point in
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  Speaker 4: that there are a potential pitfall is that there are
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  Speaker 4: people that are getting wrongfully accused because they of the
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  Speaker 4: political system of both Hollywood and, you know, politics, wherever,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can take advantage of the, to use
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Dillon's phrase, a witch hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So the mob mentality, right?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can get somebody you don't like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: is doing for, he could be a decent dude and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, for whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Reason, maybe he has money.
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  Speaker 4: Or a woman should get accused.
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  Speaker 1: Or a business who is competition.
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  Speaker 4: All you got to do is publicly humiliate them on
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  Speaker 4: Facebook and boom.
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  Speaker 1: See, and that's when you get back to the real
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  Speaker 1: root of all evil, which is humanity. Yeah. Like, even
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  Speaker 1: in the worst scenario, some person will come along and
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  Speaker 1: find a way to exploit it.
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  Speaker 5: To use the system and exploit it.
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  Speaker 1: And still find a way to screw over somebody who
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  Speaker 1: didn't even mean to be, that didn't need to be,
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  Speaker 1: that didn't deserve to be. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And that kind of stuff would, you know, cast doubt
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  Speaker 5: on legitimate things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Well, I mean, you do hear, again, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know tons about this scenario going on right now,
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  Speaker 1: but it is one of those nightmare scenarios when you
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  Speaker 1: hear about people that did 20 years in prison for
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  Speaker 1: something that they said, hey, I didn't do that. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't commit this crime. And people said, yeah, right, threw
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  Speaker 1: him in there. And then now that we have this
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  Speaker 1: new fancy way to go back and DNA test or
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  Speaker 1: whatever they do and be like, oh. shit, turns out
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  Speaker 1: he didn't do it. Yeah, but for.
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  Speaker 5: Women, that counts on a woman going to.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He wants to go through that experience.
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  Speaker 1: There's already, yeah. It's already such a deck stacked against
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  Speaker 1: you when you're in that scenario anyway. But you do
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  Speaker 1: hear stories about people that were completely innocent and not
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  Speaker 1: only got wrongfully accused, but then would pay years and
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  Speaker 1: years of their life for... So it's one of those,
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  Speaker 1: I always don't want to think that you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to think that, but at the same time
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  Speaker 1: you hear those stories and go, Oh, well, what if
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  Speaker 1: this is the one guy out of 10,000 that actually
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  Speaker 1: was innocent?
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  Speaker 4: This is the story of the hurricane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It does kind of make you like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to just totally get on board with this. We
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  Speaker 1: do need some sort of system to check all of
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  Speaker 1: this out and you can't witch hunt anybody and everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the, you know, the system that's set up to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Provide justice as equally as corrupt.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy. So, Home Alone. No.
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  Speaker 5: No, I've never seen it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems really silly that we started where
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  Speaker 1: we were and we ended up where we are now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess we continue on with random movies.
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  Speaker 5: What else is on your list?
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  Speaker 1: Did Macaulay Culkin sleep his way to the top? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's a whole other... Thing that has come out over
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  Speaker 1: the years is how, especially that era of 80s movies
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  Speaker 1: that we all loved. And it's like now all of
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  Speaker 1: those kids have grown up and went, oh, guess what?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I was horribly sexually abused for years
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  Speaker 1: and years by these people in power. So that's like
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  Speaker 1: one now that is still kind of like not in
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  Speaker 1: the spotlight, but like.
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  Speaker 5: There's more and more people that are coming out and
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  Speaker 5: saying it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's come out a lot in recent years. Macaulay,
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening, I'm sorry if you got sexually molested.
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  Speaker 1: All of them. I mean, yeah. There's so many that
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  Speaker 1: have kind of come forward and went, yeah, it happened.
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  Speaker 1: And again, it just sort of shrugged and went, yep,
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  Speaker 1: me too. It was just another one of those systems
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  Speaker 1: that was so acknowledged. It's disgusting. Everybody that kind of...
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  Speaker 1: Even the kids kind of like, well, this is what
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  Speaker 1: you do. This is what happens. I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: they started that way, but you know by the time
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  Speaker 1: they ended up as... Funny how all those kids grew
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  Speaker 1: up to be teenagers with horrible drug and alcohol problems. Right. Gee,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what led them to that. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like it is one of those that that's then how
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  Speaker 1: they coped with it. Doesn't make any of it right,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: but it's now real obvious that that's what all was
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: And it's disgusting and it's wrong and it should stop.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: End of story. So, we fixed all of that. Yeah,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: it's fixed. Now. Fixed.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: I didn't mean to sound. Wait, let me backtrack because
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: I feel like I sounded incredibly stupid. I wasn't saying
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: that all of that is okay. I think what I'm
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: saying is, like, I would hate to think that somebody
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: I knew did that. Like, slept their way to the
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: top or whatever. But I could not throw out that
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: that was still a quality person. You know what I'm saying?
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Because I'm sure there's plenty of people who have made
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: hard choices.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: The one decision or the one aspect of their life
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: shouldn't horribly do. Can completely define who you are. I mean,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: it is, again, it's back to that person sitting in prison.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, maybe they did something terrible, but does that
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: mean they can never redeem themselves as a human being?
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Right. I mean, they were just doing, anyway.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of that.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: But the system shouldn't exist.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: That's what they would do.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: I can think of worse things than choosing to have
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: sex with someone.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, yes, you chose to have sex to get ahead
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: in your career. That's pretty despicable.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: It's pretty gross.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: But there are many things worse than that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't being like, yeah, go.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Don't be good at what you do or be a
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: good person. That's not what I was saying.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Give a rim job. Oh, God.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Next.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I had to go over the top with gross things.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Over the top.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's recast over the top.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: All right, so.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: What's our casting for over the top? I ain't got nothing.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: The Rock. I mean, that's obviously where you were going
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to go is The Rock. There's only one way you
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: can go.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: So then could you kind of turn it into like
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: a comedy thing? Like, you know, you got The Rock
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: and you can make it like, which by the way,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the Baywatch movie was fantastic. Oh, yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what we've done. We've taken all
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: those old, like, late 70s through the 80s super serious,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, or at least took themselves serious properties and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: then turned them into silly 90s and 2000s era comedies. Like,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: we put that weird, ha ha, we're so much more, like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: enlightened than these stupid people so we can make fun
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: of this where, like, I don't know. Sometimes it's offensive
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the way they do that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: But that was good.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: But sometimes it's legitimately funny. Like, The Brady Bunch movie
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: worked because they got the sense of humor. They made
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: fun of the things that were legitimately funny and had
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a decent spin on it. But you look at all
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the other dumb, let's take this old sitcom and turn
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it into a movie, and they just didn't.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Small Wonder? Why haven't they done that?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Because even the original was horrible.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know why they keep Mr. Belvedere.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to name.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: All the good ones.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Those are your good ones. Punky Brewster. That's what you're saying.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: It was a great show. Benson.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were going to say Al.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Benson was a great show.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: That having been said, rest in peace, Robert Kim. Yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Also played the Phantom on stage. Really? Was the first
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: person that took over for Michael Crawford. I thought that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was weird. Wow, that's interesting. I was just like, really?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting move on there. Again, odd, like, let's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: go with different categories. kind of idea. Yeah, that's cool. Like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. And from, yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Well, he was phenomenal.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: From what I heard, did an amazing job. So again,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: there's a guy that, you know.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: But that's one of those shows that I would hope
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: that they would never remake and make it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Wacky?
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Wacky.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like it, well, I mean, I guess it
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: had its, It had.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Its wacky aspects, but it was still a good show.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: It was well done. It's also weird that the character
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and the show itself was a more developed and refined
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: version of of a spinoff from something that was legitimately wacky. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And very strange. Soap was a strange show. Oh, yeah,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: it really was. And the fact that he was that,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: because to me it's so weird that, like, how is
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: this random butler is now working in the governor's mansion, like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: as an advisor? Like, he's not the butler there, too. Like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: he moved up in the world quite a bit. but
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: is technically the same character. But to me, he even
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: played him very different. Yeah, it was a totally different guy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: It was kind of a different guy. I think they
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: just saw that dynamic, and when this guy's got something,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: let's put him on another show, and wanted the spinoff
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: aspect to be able to like, oh, we can make
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: this work. I think so.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, so back to Over the Top.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: The kid. Okay. The kid was the worst part of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Over the Top. Yeah. That poor child was in a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: lot of 80s movies. I know. I hate to tell you.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And he was the worst in Over the Top. Like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that was his worst role ever. I think probably ruined
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: his career. So which kid from Stranger Things are we
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: putting in there?
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: The awesome one.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: With the curly hair.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I love that kid.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's not right. I feel like we're
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: going more with what's the main kid. Not the one
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that gets sucked off to the other side. But like, yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Whatever that kid. I feel like he could kind of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: pull off a... Not Will, but the other one. Yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: if we're trying to make it a more serious version,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that kid could do that kind of... I feel like Dustin...
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: He's got to... I mean, he's going to be getting roles.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Like that kid. All of them are amazing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: They're all great.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I could see Dustin doing it, though. I'd believe him. Hmm.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's a different way.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Wait, is that the kid with the curly hair?
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Dustin.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to come up with non-rock replacement for
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Over the Top. That's a tough one. I know. It
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: is a tough one. Because that's our go-to. But we
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: beat that horse to death.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Because the era of the muscly action hero is kind
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: of waned.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: It's kind of dwaned.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Dwayne.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: It's Dwayne.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: It's Dwayne. That's why you keep me around.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: I get some good ones sometimes.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But yeah, I feel like
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: it's a very different world now. So where do we go?
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: One in which over the top would not get made.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: What if they did? Here's a good pitch.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it would be Bradley Cooper.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be Bradley Cooper.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: He did the sniper.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: What if they took the idea? Tell me if this
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: has already been made. Mom doesn't watch a lot of
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: movies and gets them all mixed up. What if they
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: did like a celebrity... What was that thing called in
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: the 70s when they do like sports?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's on now. The Battle of the Network Stars.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: What if they did like a Battle of the Network Stars?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite show of the 70s.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: But it was like a Battle of the Network Stars
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: to death?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But it was a movie? That's just Celebrity Deathmatch.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: No, that's Celebrity Deathmatch. They box, right? Like, what if.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: It was wrestling-ish, but they just.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: What if this is like a.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Death race. Yeah, death race with celebrities. I'm okay with that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Can we do that?
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: That's how we should deal with this new scenario is
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: all the people that are convicted have to fight to
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the death and then the last one maybe gets a... No,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: they still won't get a pardon.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: And Kurt Russell saves the governor or the president or whatever.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, I got it. Over
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the top. All right, Jason Statham. Ugh. I mean, it's again,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it's not a stretch, really. I could certainly see that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Totally do it. You could totally do it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Actually, no one else would be willing.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I'd like to point that out. I mean, if you're
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: going back to your Bradley Cooper, I'm like, if we're
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: trying to go, if we're not making fun of it,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: if we're doing it as a serious thing, like I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: can see somebody. I don't even know. But that was
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: never a serious thing. I think it was serious at
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the time. Someone took that seriously?
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, that was a real thing. Don't you remember seeing, like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: on a Saturday afternoon or something, like, there was arm
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: wrestling on, like, the Wide World of Sports?
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, I understand that arm wrestling is a
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: serious thing.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the movie. But watch that trailer. Like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it takes itself very seriously.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: In a world where arms are.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: You don't have to, like, even watch the full movie.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Just watch the presentation of that trailer. Like, it's for real. Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And it takes itself very... Even though you're in the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: audience snickering, perhaps. But it takes itself very seriously. So
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if we were going to do a big
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: budget Hollywood dramatic telling of this story, you would bring
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in people like Bradley Cooper.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Over the top gun. You combine the two.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: No? Nobody? Over the topless. No, over the top gun.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Totally different.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: That's on the internet.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Don't worry.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: That's there. Over the top gun. Over the top gear?
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Sorry for that. Well, I'm totally distracting all
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I think I just did not take the movie seriously.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. It was for real.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I don't know that I took it seriously.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't take it seriously. But again, I think it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: takes itself very seriously. That was the vibe of the 80s.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Nothing was ironic. Nothing was tongue in cheek. We weren't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: super clever about it. When we made a comedy, it
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: was Airplane. I'm like, no, we're letting you know this
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: is a comedy, guys.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Or Dr. Detroit.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Tarantino did not exist in the 80s. Yeah, it was
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a 90s thing that we all became super cool and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: ironic and everything was a joke. So 80s, we were
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: all in. This stuff was real.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: Because it was so earnest.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Top Gun's a great example. Have you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: watched it now?
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I've only seen it once in my life.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I watched it at that point
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in my life, and I was like, yeah, woohoo, 80s movie.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It's great. It's awesome. Guns and, well, mostly planes. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Goose Dies at the End. Planes, you know, saving the day, America, woohoo.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: If you watch it now, it's... Guns and Tops. It's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a freaking Harlequin romance novel. When I watch it now,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff is so... That's why.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: I didn't watch it at the time because it was
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: dumb to me then.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Talk about over the top, like the romance angle. I'm like,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the playing stuff is minimal compared to the big sappy
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: romance they set up. And I'm just like, I guess
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this was here before and I was just a kid
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and I didn't care.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: You know what's still universal? People still like Goose.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Goose dies. I think that'll never, never go away. Sorry
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: about Goose Man. People love Goose.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: Sorry about Goose Man. Spoiler alert.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: God.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what did that well.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Witness. Speaking of Kelly McGillis. Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Kelly McGillis. Kind of Harlequin romance novel.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it is very, you can see like a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: shirtless Amish dude on the cover.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Rippling as he puts on his straw hat.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: With a hammer in his hand I'm gonna go build
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: a barn Look.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: At my arms It's really an action film underneath And
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: it does that well.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: It's a low end action It's definitely a.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Cop movie It's a cop drama Under a romance.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: That throws itself in the Amish world And then works
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in a romance too Not an action flick though.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: It's action-y No got a few scenes they built a
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: barn when he.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Punches that dude over ice cream that was action there's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the grain silo scene where that guy gets buried with
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: corn it's got moments.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Of action said a mom everywhere you.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Kids stay out of the silo you're gonna get crushed
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: by just.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Like in witness you can stay up late to watch
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: witness Because you'll learn a lesson.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: You stay out of the silo. But you have to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: close your eyes for that one bit. Okay, I loved
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that movie. Yeah, we don't need to see her side boob.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: You close your eyes.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I still love that movie. And I think, to me,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: as a kid.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's full frontal nudity in that film, by
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the way. Let's go right now and watch it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Paul kept a lot of track of that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I had a log. I have a log. You and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the Barefax video guy.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: So.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you why I love that movie. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of it because I'm like a kid.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Full frontal nudity? Oh, yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: No, it's like it has all those things. And you're
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: at that age where like, I'm really showing my age,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: where like, oh, maybe, you know, it's interesting in this
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: other level of it's not things like flying in space
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: and blowing up. Nothing's exploding. Yet there's something compelling. Except
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: the corn. You know, so that's kind of like a. Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: The first grown-up movie.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Sappy stuff's okay, too.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: No, that I felt, like, invested in. Like, you know, like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: you watched it and you were like, oh.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: No, but now there's a... It had Harrison Ford. It
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: had Harrison Ford. There's a dark side to this, which
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: is that it had Harrison Ford.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: And you had a thing for Harrison Ford.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: 80s era, Harrison Ford was hot. It was hot.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: That got this young kid in the theater, but then I, like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: realized that I was like, oh.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And it had full frontal... Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Kelly McGillis, which got me invested.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh yeah, a guy dies
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: by corn in this film. Corn, which is slowly killing
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: us all, let's face it. It really is.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Thank you for making me sound stupid but I'm just
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: saying it's a universal experience side semi-related tangent how much
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: does anybody know about Amish lifestyles.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Or at least some of those yeah I don't but
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I only because now I come in I've seen them
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: riding bicycles.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Minor contact.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: And horses.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I see them.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Like carriages.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Again, I mean, we'll throw it out there as a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: generic quickie mart. There's one that I frequent regularly, and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: at the same time of day, all these guys come in,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and they're about to, I don't know, in my mind,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: go build a bar and straight out a witness. But
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: there's so many things about their life I don't understand,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and most of it is just these weird things that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: don't match up. I'm like, you can't have buttons, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you're wearing Reeboks. Like they have this, like you can't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: have a belt, but. Are you sure they're Amish?
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Are you sure they're Amish and they're not Mennonites?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's what I'm saying. But even then,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: like why is it okay to have to wear, like
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: they have the normal standard, they all have the same outfit.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Like why do you have all these other rules, but
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: then it's okay to wear tennis shoes? Like why have
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: rules and then exceptions to the rules?
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Well, but how old were they?
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Do they have beards?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: They do have beards. So they're married. Yeah, they're not
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on the... So they're not, yeah. They're not doing that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: sort of... Because if you're doing that and you're going
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to work every day, you're doing it wrong. I'm just saying.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't been on one, but I'm saying if I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was going to do one, it wouldn't be to go
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: build a barn every day. I can tell you that.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So, I don't... Again, this is just... If anyone out
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: there does understand the rules, I just... It seems like
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: an odd oversight to me. But I question a lot
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of religion in general. Someone out there has the rules. Please,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: give me the rule book.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm sure it's on the internet.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: There's just a lot of weird things that don't match
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: up with our lives. What can you believe on the internet?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: As I'm standing in line behind them to buy my
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: coffee every morning. What can you believe on the internet?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: What's on the internet that's believable? I just thought it
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was weird. Loads is believable, but what can you believe?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: The internet would never lie to me. It's filled with
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: only truth. And good things from people that have honest
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: values and morals. Hang on. Keep talking.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: I'm looking this up.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Anyway. I don't know that we really need to go
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. I just... No, now I'm curious. Well,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it was, yeah. There's a few different things that don't
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: match on there. I'm like, if you're going all in
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: on this thing, like... When in general, like the other
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: thing I was like, and then they all go out
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and get into a giant van. I'm like, okay, even
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: if you don't get to drive it, why is it
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: okay for your ride in it to go do your
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: work for the day? I'm like, I don't understand like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: having the rules, but then making these weird loopholes. Because
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: you have to survive, I guess. Because your feet will
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: fall off if you don't wear some tennis shoes. I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: think that is the root of all religion, really. There's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: weird loopholes.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Call me a crazy heathen.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: But, you know, that's my problem with a lot of it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of rules. Makes me want to shove
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: ice cream in somebody's face. That's all I'm saying.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Right on their nose.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Right on their nose. There's a lot of rules.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: You've got to comply with that don't make a lot
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: of sense.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Not if you blow off most religions. I'm just not
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: signing up.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Really ramble. Somehow we went from.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's okay. It's a journey, right?
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Do we get over the top?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Moving out down is always a journey.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: It's not the destination.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: So what you're saying is that Dustin can't be the
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: kid in Over the Top.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: I like him for the kid.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I like him too. I think you remember him playing
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: an Amish kid. I'm trying to tie all of this in.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I think that there kind of works.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Are you combining over the top with witness?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. Oh my god, that's awesome. I think we're on
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to something here. That's brilliant. Over the top with witness.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: He's an Amish guy, but he also attends arm wrestling competitions.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Well, again, he's been building barns, so he's got some
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: awesome guns. So he's like, okay, I've got to save
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: my Amish village, and we need money. If I win
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: this contest, I can save them. But to do that,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I have to go into the evil modern world and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: put on a trucker cap. And that goes against my beliefs,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: but I kind of need to do it to save
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: my people. But it's a comedy. And when I spin
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it around backwards, then I'm going to get superpowers.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's a comedy, then it has Sandra Bullock
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: in there in a horse-drawn cart that can't slow down
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: below five miles an hour.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Actually, now I just kind of want to see Sandra
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Bullock arm wrestling. But so... She's got the arms for it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: The lead character who is Amish has got his straw
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: hat on.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: That he turns around.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: That he turns around. It's a baseball cap.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's a baseball cap.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so good. A straw baseball cap. Wait a minute.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Straw baseball cap.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I think we've stumbled onto gold here.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: This is brilliant.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I hope to God that the Amish have not discovered
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: the internet.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: If so, this will turn them off, right? They'll be like, oh,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: this is, no. This is what's on the internet? Nope,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: devil's work. I'm out of here. I'm signing out. I'm
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: going to go hang out with Kelly McGillis. By the way,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: if we're the worst thing you run into on the internet,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you're doing that wrong, too.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: You're also doing that wrong. Oh, wow. I feel like
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I have interrupted endlessly. And you had a movie that
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: you were going to say.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: What about?
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: And we were like, beep, beep, beep.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: That was a long time ago.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Are we robots in this movie?
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: I am.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: I am a robot.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: She is a robot. No, you're not. I am a robot.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: You're not a robot. I am a real girl. Like
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Small Wonder.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I brought it around.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: See what I did? are we casting the girl from
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Stranger Things as the small wonder girl? Because that might
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: be the only thing that could make, because I hated
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: small wonder, even at the time. So I'm like, the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: only thing that might make me curious enough to sit
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: through it is that Millie's pretty damn cool.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I got to say, the small wonder, it could have worked,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: but it had the worst actors.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Everything about it, really. It also had the horrible writers.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: It made Webster look like it should have won.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I know. Webster and Punky Brewster.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: The Grammy, the Oscar, a Tony.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: It should have had them all. What I don't get
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was how, again, I think that was one of those
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: first breaking out of network television and making their own show.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Because you saw the budget. Like, those sets look so shoddy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And they shot it all on videotape, I'm pretty sure. Like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: it just looked through and through so ghetto as television goes.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: That I think that's the part.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Like they walked and the sets like rattled.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Even as a kid, it occurred to me. I was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: just like, why is this different?
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: That show went on for four years.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't fully even understand why, but like something immediately registered.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I knew I hated it. It's like, this looks cheap
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and lame and I don't like it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know why I remember like that. I think
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: because I was flipping through and it was actually on
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: the other day.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: It was on a lot back in the day.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: No, like recently.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what. portal the hell you fell into
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that it's still on but it was probably one of.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Those weird like off-brand television there's a lot of networks
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: is the yeah like network.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of networks one of those i'm trying
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to think i did have a couple of i was
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: horrific i was trying to do some of the 80s
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: stuff because that's certainly been enough time as we said
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: with die hard it's It's been almost time enough that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the world's very different now. You can update it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Well, trading places.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: That was on the list here. I was just trying
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to decide. That's a very business-oriented one. And that is
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: one that you could actually update.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Because there's so much about these stock markets.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Market that has changed well it was also it's funny
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: how much that was a you know we're gonna put
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a black guy and a white guy together and make
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a movie but so little of it is like about
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: race really where now if you wanted to address some
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of the things that are going on that instead are
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: kind of played for jokes.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Then yeah there's some like weird uncomfortable stuff in that
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: kind of.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Again, it's been a long time since I've seen it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like it's... You just watched it recently.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: There were a few things where I was like, I
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: don't think I would fly today.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Because it's another unconventional Christmas movie.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: That's true. I have referenced that as a Christmas film
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that people need to watch every year because there's those
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: same ones. I think you could redo it because then
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it can become.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Kind of a techie movie. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Because the stock market is all done with algorithms and,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: you know, there's somebody passing somebody a floppy disk. I mean,
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: it's techie now.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: We're obviously so immersed in the business world.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: If only it had been made in the, like, 90s
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: and it would have been, like, a zip drive thing.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: It's like that scene from Office Space where they're, like,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: swiveling and she's got her hand off them. the disc
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: with the let me hand you this fax i just got.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: You know my dad still has a fax machine and
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: will not give it up it's.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: How often do you think he actually i mean last
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: week well that's the thing last week someone said i
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: have to go fax something and i said are you
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: gonna get in a time machine and go to 1997
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: i don't understand they did not appreciate that i don't
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: understand it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Why do fax machines still exist? Why does faxing still exist?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Why? Probably because there's still people that don't know how
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to send things any other way. And faxing is easy enough.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like it still doesn't work right. Because I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: watched this person try to fax something and it didn't work.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: For like an hour. He fought with it. It's complicated.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: You're like, oh my God, it's through a questionable copy machine.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But if you try to tell somebody to send a PDF,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: their head will explode if they're the wrong person. That's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: my poor dad.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Hand faxing is less secure.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: You're talking about documents going over an analog phone line.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: If they still made those, yes. I feel like they
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: don't really anymore.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: My dad's like, let me fax it to you. And
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Dad, just email it. He's like, and I'm like, mom,
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: take a picture of it and email it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Just tell me what's on the page. Mom's like, I
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: don't know. That's more efficient.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: So poor dad and his fax machine. And it was
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: only like, I don't know how many years ago, but
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: it seems like a little too recently that he got
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: rid of one that had the thermal fax paper on it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, like the holes on the side?
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: No, it's like a.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I miss those. It actually uses thermal paper.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Thermal paper.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: So finally, I think that he just couldn't find it
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: anymore and couldn't time travel and find it like he
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: can his Tab because he still drinks Tab.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Because.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's adorable. And then I work with a
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: woman who also drinks Tab and I'm like, what? Where
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: do you find that?
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: My dad used to drink Tab like crazy.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Can't give you a Tab, kid, do you order something?
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: We bought it by the gross... I feel like.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: We had a utility room that was.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Just stacks and stacks of tab that I would climb
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: on as a kid.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: And then you'd try and drink one and be like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm desperate for a Coca-Cola. I'll drink
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: this tab. And then you're like, I just poisoned myself.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like I'm having fun, but I'm
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: losing weight! I can't even remember what it tasted like.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I just remember it being wrong. It tasted like saccharin.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: It tasted like wrong.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: It just tasted like a chemical bath for your mouth.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: It tasted like saccharin.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Like I'm giving myself cancer.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad. I only remember even like as
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: a kid trying it once or twice. Because even then
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like this weird pink can. I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: don't like your advertising campaign. I think it was featured
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: on the movie Airplane. Probably. I think so.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Was it?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I think it was in there. It's certainly in Back
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: to the Future. Anyway, so... Oh, trading places. Trading places.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Who are you going to cast?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Again, are we keeping... If we're going to address the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: race situation a little more, are we then keeping it
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: one of each?
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean... Or are we switching it up? Are we
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: working on a different... It's not about race, though, really.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: It isn't, but I feel like... It's about income disparity.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: It was kind of meant to be, and... The society
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: thing was very easy.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: That was the easy way to address income disparity. But,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: you know, you could do that a number of ways.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: You could cast two African Americans, one wealthy, one not.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: You could do.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Leslie Jones. I would love to see Leslie Jones.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: You could do a black woman and a white man.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, you could do it a number of different ways.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Leslie Jones, I'm totally all for.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I love her. I think she's great. She's great. She's
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite. All right. Let's get her on
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the phone. See if we can make this happen. She's
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: also a Game of Thrones fan.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: She's a mad Game of Thrones fan.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: So she'd be great. Who else would you put with her?
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: And who would she be?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I think it would be easier to make her a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: rich white woman. So what if you made her the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: poor person? God, she'd be.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: So good as either. I mean, she's so.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: She kind of could work either way. She could work
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: either way. She is talented, so she could make either
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: side work. Yeah. I'm trying to find somebody.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, what are the name of the
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: old guys?
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I was casting Michael Douglas as one of them.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Oh. He's gotten up there now. I was like, got
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a nice 80s tie in there. He's Mr.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Wall Street. Here's a weird one to throw in for that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: What about like Kurt Russell?
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jeff Bridges.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Jeff Bridges. That's what I was going to say. Jeff Bridges.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: The sad thing is you're saying Kurt Russell is like
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: nipping at the heels.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Of Jeff Bridges as weird old dude in Hollywood. Jeff
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Bridges is certainly on the throne, but Kurt's catching up,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: He's still a little more, you know. Jeff Bridges. Jeff
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Bridges and Michael Douglas. Yeah, I can see them giving
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: each other a dollar. Pseudo-Rich the Dude. That's interesting. All right.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: We're still missing one person.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I'm still trying to, yeah, I'm trying to cast the other.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, you've got Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Can you bring Eddie Murphy back?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: No. Well, I mean, he could be the older guy.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: He could be one of the old guys, yeah. That'd
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: be interesting-ish. Depending on how they.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: But then the old guys, like, can't be racist, which
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: makes them that much more despicable.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what we're saying. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So if you, you know.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: And the old guys, it was a family business, right?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: And that's sort of a thing of the past for
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the most part.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Certainly that are that big and successful. That's hard to do.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: You'd have to do that differently.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: But you should still do it, I think.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll get right on that.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You should do it. You should play the role. No,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I'll just make it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I'll just make it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: No problem. Just make the movie.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: I'll get out my iPhone and make it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, Tommy Wiseau did it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Why can't you? Thanks a lot.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Thanks.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: What? Yeah, so Dan Aykroyd is a tough one, actually.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I was just trying to balance out, like... Who could
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: be both a good, pompous, rich guy and be a
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: great pauper, you know?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. He's the prince and the pauper. So, Kerry
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Washington and Leslie Mann.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Leslie Jones?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: No. Leslie Mann.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: We're talking about the chick from Saturday Night Live.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: No. Oh, she's great. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was thinking of. Yeah, Leslie Mann. Leslie Mann. From 40-Year-Old Virgin.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: From like every Judd Apatow movie. So I'm like, if
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you're going to work in Cable Guy. So I think
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: she could kind of do either end of it. She
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: can definitely be funny, but she could almost pull off
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: like either the rich side or losing everything side. And
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Kerry Washington could definitely be kind of that rich and titled. Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I could see that. working but then it would be
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: interesting if you swapped her out too so either way
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: i feel like those are those both have potential i
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: don't know these.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: People she's on scandal is that still a thing yeah
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: it's still on you might be wrapping it no but
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: again everybody says it's good and i've just never like there's.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Just too many shows yeah but she seems again what
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: i've seen she is like top of her game.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Well i think it's one of those things where i'll
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: catch it when it's finally on like netflix well She
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: went to GW.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: She'd be a perfect candidate. Of course. So, she is
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: obviously going to be very rich in this. Poor, downtrodden
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Leslie Mann. She went to George Washington. So, you know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: She's going to be.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Playing squash at noon.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I vote for her. Yeah, that's a good...
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see if we can get this rolling, too.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I think we should write them tonight. Dear Carrie. Dear
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Carrie Washington. You're really cool. I want you to be
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: in my movie. We are redoing Trading Places. I'm shooting
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: it on my phone. Instead, it's called Places... Traded. Traded. Changed.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Changed Places... Swapping people.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: That's the name of this game. That's the name of
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: this game. Trading places.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Swap places.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Swapping. Swap places. Swapping places. Yeah. All right. Swamp people?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Swamp people? Swamp thing. Yes. Okay, so we're remaking Swamp Thing. Obviously,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: we're casting Doug Jones as Swamp Thing because he's every creature.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: especially now amphibious like creatures so did.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: You like swamp thing it's one of those.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I barely remember it's one i remember being on cable
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: i remember kind of seeing it but i like now
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: it's found it's weird like the kids that grew up
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: in the 80s like loved it to death and they're
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like comics fans that love it so like now it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: got this fan base that still kind of loves it
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I just remember not really reading the comics, not catching
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in much of it on cable. So I feel like
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I don't really even remember how the movie went. It's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: one of those that's on my list of like, you know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch that and still
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten to it in years and years.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think that I was crazy about it,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: but I do think I enjoyed the, I think Alan
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: Moore did the comic books.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: And I think I enjoyed those, but to me, those
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: were two totally separate spaces.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: You know, so, I don't know.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: But I'm shocked that they haven't tried to remake it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: And also, there was a comic book from, like, I
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: don't know when, but I remember I'd always see it
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: at the Nerd Terrarium, and it was called Giant Size
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Man Thing.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I do remember that title.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Which was just a great title for a comic book.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Did not read it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think I read it either, but I would
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: just always.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: go and he looks really weird but he's kind of
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a swamp thing but he's kind of a swamp thing
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: yeah Giant Size Man Thing but he has like a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: weird trunk which again for that title is maybe a little.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Too on the nose Giant Size Man Thing nose.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Being the wrong yeah I know that's kind of why
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted to throw that out there inappropriate helmet I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I've got nothing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Trading Places, we've covered that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Who's the female lead in our new Swamp Thing? Obviously,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Doug's going to be in the makeup, so.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Who's the new female lead in Trading Places, the remake,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Swapping Places?
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. We already did that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: No, no, we didn't do the.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: No, the actual.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: What's her face's.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: So is it a man?
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: God, why can't I think of.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: True Lies, Halloween.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Halloween.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: What's her name?
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: Jamie Lee Curtis the lovely wonderful Jamie Lee Curtis.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: So now it's a man now it's a man okay
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: that's why I was like we already did the females
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: but now we're swapping it he has to go topless
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: so he has to go full on topless yeah and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he's a prostitute no he's just like a waiter or
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: something well again my immediate like as soon as I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: was like damn it Bradley Cooper He.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Has to be getting out of jail, you know? I mean,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: that's how they meet.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: But it doesn't matter. He could have been, like, a drunk. Like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: he's a drunk, you know.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Drug dealer. Drug dealer with great abs. I kind of
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: see Bradley Cooper as a gigolo, don't you? Like, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: feel like if anybody's going to pull that off, yeah,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper. Especially a little younger Bradley. He's starting now,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: he's going to lose that edge. Okay, all right. Young
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Especially for either.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. The wealthy or the down and out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: He has no scruples.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Zach Efron.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Now we're just talking about Bradley Cooper. Zach Efron.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. Zach Efron. You're welcome. There it is. I can
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: see this. And truthfully, I do not think he's a
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: bad actor. No, he's actually- He's gotten a bad deal
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: over the years because everybody made him a joke. But
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, technically, what I've seen of him, he's actually
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: pretty good. Well, because his name's Zach Efron.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: No one likes anyone named Zack. And he was adorable,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and he made Disney movies, and everybody made and wrote
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: him off. His name was Zack. And his name's Zack. Seriously,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: he's Zack.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: I don't mind his acting. It's not offensive in things
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: that I've seen him in.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Disney Britney.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: But that would be the kind of role where it
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: would be like, you know, he did.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: At some point, he's going to have to Tarantino it,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and he's going to turn a corner and be like, oh,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that kid can act.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: I was just talking about this. Hateful Eight.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: What did you think?
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: by its very title it is a hateful movie like
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: it is dark mean yeah it really is and the
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: thing is like it's i have mostly good things to
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: say about it other than that like i mean it
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: is a dark road and if you're willing to go
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: down it it's got great performances it's got great writing
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it's got an interesting story several of them kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: jammed together it's got great things If anything, somebody, again,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: he's starting to get power from the director end of it.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Power to the point where people don't tell him no.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Somebody needs to edit that thing. There's like two minutes
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: of watching them put ropes out in the snow. I'm like,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: do we need two minutes of watching them trudge around
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: in the snow? Are we accomplishing anything? There's so many
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: aspects of it that are just longer. Then they really
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: need to. I mean, I'm okay with him making long
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: movies because he's got enough dialogue to back it up.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: But there's times when, like, there's nothing getting done here. Like,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: we could have cut two and been in the next
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: scene by now. But I don't know.
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, that seems like it's by design.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. You know, I don't think it's...
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: But I kind of disagree with... some of it is
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: my thing. I'm like, I think you're just, you're devoting
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: time to things that don't like, I'm okay with ropes
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: in the snow personally.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: It just goes on forever. And I'm like, but this
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: thing's already going to be really long. I, I, I
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: feel like other people would want to cut the whole
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: ride up in half. I'm like, I'm okay with that
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: because that is all. Yeah. That dialogue is amazing. So
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm okay with that stuff, but I'm like,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: you can cut down some of it to make it
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: a tighter overall story. I feel like he, he, i
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: There's things that i really liked about that there's definitely
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: i mean but about those just long scenes like i
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: did like those some of them if they were accomplishing.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Something well never mind i won't say nothing.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: But my other thing was gonna be it's also so
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: dark that you have to be willing to go that
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: road right like it's not a fun movie like hey
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: pulp fiction dark things happen in there but overall it's
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: still a pretty fun movie it's a journey this isn't
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: fun like this isn't like django gets pretty dark but
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: you have to.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: It's still uplifting yeah you have to figure.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Out why i mean you have to be able to
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: invest in the characters yeah for the the switcheroo to
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: be compelling to you you have to be on.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Board for the characters for the character's sake because you
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: can't really get on board with anybody like right by
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the end they're all despicable yeah they're just they're just
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like our most likables kurt russell and even he's got
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: some bad points so like by the end there's not
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: really much to get on board with you know from
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: from a character standpoint except that these are really rich
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: characters so you've Which, again, is Tarantino's thing. You kind
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of have to go in with his characters, good or bad,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and just experience them.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: They're deep and dark, and they're complex, and you see
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: all the gray.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: That's kind of all there is in that. That's why
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: you're in. That's why you're in, because you want to know, well,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: how deep does the rabbit.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: Hole go with this guy?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: And that's why.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: It seems like the long drawn out sequences where you're,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: you know, it feels like you're just getting a texture
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: of the film enhanced. So it's these, you also have
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to drive home the fact that these are people that
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: are in a harsh environment who are really.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Equally as harsh.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Equally as harsh. Yeah, absolutely. There's a reason they're like this.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: And there's times in those things where you're like, what's
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: really going on? Like they kind of make you stop
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: and like. Yeah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Even before you realize there is something else going on.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Like, what is really happening here? Like, what is that guy?
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: And some of it is because of the dramatic pauses.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: There's this room to breathe and you're given time to ponder,
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: why does this, this doesn't make any sense.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Why are we watching this? This doesn't add up. That's
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: ultimately where it gets to. That's the thing. They're putting
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the rope out.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't gone back to re-watch it, so maybe that's
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: part of it. Maybe because that first time through, I'm
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: still like, Why are we watching this? And then in
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: repeat viewings, you maybe have reasons that you're watching it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: So that could be it. Or maybe it's just crap.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Direct.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I really enjoyed it. I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: really liked it. I feel like that's a big director,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: big budget kind of thing. You usually see them start
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: off making 90-minute movies. Yeah. And then years later, because
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I said this about a freaking Peter Jackson. I mean-
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: all of his stuff became three, three and a half
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: hours from that point on. And I'm like, what's wrong
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: with that guy? A lot of the stuff in King
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Kong that does not need to be there. It just doesn't.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start calling him three hours. So yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I was like it. King Kong? But it's one of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: those things that like.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: There's no skull either.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Now that I'm on board with. Talk about making a
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: movie that you know where you stand. This is fun.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Let's tear some shit up.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: But I think also those longer films. Breaks and things
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: made me also think of, because I thought of that
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: movie as a play, right? Everything about that movie was
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: like a play. And those were almost like- It could
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: have been an arsenic.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: And old lights. It could have almost, like, it is
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: interesting when you find those movies that you could almost
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: translate to the stage.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: To the stage.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And make it work easily.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: And those long scenes were almost like the breaks.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: Between the acts in my head yeah.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Which is kind of how he writes because he's so
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: because i've seen a stage version of reservoir dogs oh
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: wow and it works yeah like it they have to
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: work around some of those like out on the streets
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: yeah cut through scenes but so much of it is
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: just guys in a room talking that worked i'm just
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like this is kind of awesome like i like when
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you blur those lines and art goes into different places.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: It's an it's an easy transition because his inspirations are
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: spaghetti westerns and old grindhouse stuff i mean it it
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Tell your names mr white mr blonde mr pink.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Why am i mr pink who cares what your name
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: is yeah that's easy for you to say you're mr
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: white you have a cool sounding name let's go to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: work i don't know why.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I came here to.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: What happens if the manager won't give you the diamonds?
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: Cut off one of his fingers.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: The little one.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: If they hadn't have done what I told them not
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: to do, they'd still be alive.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: I'm all over the place.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: You're acting like a first-year fucking thief.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: I'm acting like a professional.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: If you're friendly, I'll.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: Go for it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: Slap you, I'ma back and save you.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I don't have a choice between doing ten years. Thinking
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I'm some stupid motherfucker. Ain't no choice at all.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: Bam! Bam!
• 59:05
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• 59:12
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• 59:18
  Speaker 3: They're the Reservoir Dogs.
• 59:20
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• 59:20
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  Speaker 4: She currently has rapport with the Honey Brothers baristas. Will
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: this code diminish her rapport or enhance it?
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  Speaker 1: They'll be like, code what? But maybe once they figure
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: it out, they'll be like, oh, that guy. Wait, you
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  Speaker 1: do that?
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  Speaker 5: No, so they clued us in. America, the great barista.
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  Speaker 5: She's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: You'll have to tell me which location. I won't out
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  Speaker 1: her right now, but later, so I'll have to check
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  Speaker 1: in with her.
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  Speaker 5: She's grand. She told us about a particular drink that
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  Speaker 5: they make, and.
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  Speaker 1: What's it called? Wait a minute. Hang on. It's the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: reverse of the other thing. Ah, the other thing, but
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  Speaker 1: swapped out.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we said Cleveland. That's what made me think of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: the story.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind. No.
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  Speaker 5: The golden.
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  Speaker 1: Nugget? Golden steamer.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: The golden steamer. The golden steamer, which is in theory
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: a delicious, delightful sounding drink once they tell you what's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: in it, but up to that, it's also a good joke.
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  Speaker 1: It's so steamy. Could go horribly wrong. Cleveland shower.
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  Speaker 5: It's mocha based.
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  Speaker 1: These parts are not sponsored at all.
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  Speaker 5: Well, no. I mean, I would order it, especially because
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: I have rapport, and it sounds like a delightful drink.
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  Speaker 5: It has turmeric.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: The golden steamer.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: And honey, and I guess milk, any kind of milk
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: that you like. Anyway, Heine Brothers.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Heine Brothers.
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  Speaker 5: It's a great ad for Heine Brothers, huh?
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  Speaker 1: So, the holidays are over, which of course also means
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: we're now careening headfirst into awards season. But of course
• 1:03:48
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• 1:05:05
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  Speaker 1: Anyway. Sorry. I forgot.
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  Speaker 5: We just never got to talk about that, and I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: finally got to see it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Well, are we going to get to a point where
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: we recast Tarantino movies? Because they're so director exclusive. Like,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: can you remake something that's that identifiable of the filmmaker?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: We've remade Psycho. I was going to say, that was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: one of those. I was like, we've had directors.
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  Speaker 5: That's far enough removed.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Well, we haven't made many other Hitchcock films to my knowledge.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: But again, those are so many years later. So are
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: we saying in 50 years can we remake Tarantino movies
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: and nobody will blink? No, I don't think. Could you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: remake a Tarantino.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: Movie, period?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Well, can you remake? You could.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: No, I'll tell you why not. Because look at Wings
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: of Desire, okay? Like that got remade. That's one of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: the most beautiful movies ever. And somebody remade it and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: it was just.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Hitchcock is a good example of this. He is.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Well, but I think you could because look at the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: entire run of other movies in the 90s. They all did.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Like we had all these knockoff wannabe Pulp Fiction movies
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: that came out. So I'm like, you can make a
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  Speaker 1: lesser version of what's trying really hard to be a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Tarantino movie. So maybe they'll take that same script and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: try to make a Tarantino movie somewhere down the line.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming will be a lesser version, but you don't know.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: If you think about it, that is exactly what happened
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: with Hitchcock in the 60s and the 70s. All these
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: filmmakers cited Hitchcock as... Oh, he's like my idol.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: He's the greatest.
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  Speaker 4: And they made all these other movies that tried to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: be Hitchcock. He's the master, so I'm going to make
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: my knockoff.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: But they didn't remake many Hitchcock films, except for... Did
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: they remake The Birds? It was called Jaws. I was
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: going to say. If you're not counting Birdemic, our own
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: beloved Birdemic. But, well, obviously they remade Psycho. They did
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: do a sequel years later.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: So that notwithstanding, I mean, it's not a full remake.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, of course you could remake anything, but
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: should you?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: You could.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: We always fall on that question. But Hollywood holds Hitchcock as,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: you know, sacred.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: But they've done like Dial Him for Murder under a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: different title. Like, again, everyone borrows these ideas. And that's totally...
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: cool but to.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: Remake the film and actually call it that that one
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: other than the title change is pretty close to the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: same script now and it's not a bad a perfect
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: murder is not a bad again it didn't do well
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: i liked it like i thought there were good performances
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: you know there's you know and one i think that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: would actually translate well would be rear window but you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: know which they did remake i love that film.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: They did remake you can't but you can't touch that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: you can't You shouldn't.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: It's so good. As someone who just saw it again
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: in the theater. It's amazing. It's so good.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Also it's one of those that it's not about there's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: no tech in it other than cameras there's nothing in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: it that really needs to translate to the next era
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: because it's about people just interacting with people seeing you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: know in a city what.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: If we switch it to a tech Because now we're
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: so focused on our internet lives, what if this guy's
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: watching his internet feed and piecing things together? And it's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: someone that lives across the street. And it's someone that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: lives across the street.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Hasn't that been done?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's the... This was on the other episode.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: We did mention the Disturbia or whatever the dumb kid
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: version of that was. It's kind of the same idea. But,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could almost take, like, this guy lives
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: across the street. We don't have our windows open as
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: much as we used to, but we are putting our
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: lives out there day in, day out. So you could
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: almost have him piecing together some sort of murder mystery
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: through his Instagram account and his Facebook page updates and, like...
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I think there is a cool way to kind of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: put that spin. His status was marked as married before,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: and now he's seen.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: It's like just a question mark?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Now it's just empties. Wait, what was that one? Unanswered. Oh, no. Complicated. Complicated.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: It's complicated. It's complicated. So now he's suddenly, it's complicated
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: because he's got this body he needs to dispose of.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: And he keeps reposting photos of his wife from the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: prior year.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: There's a nice photo of the two of them together
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: that's profile pic. They're in Naples. That's from years ago.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: That's lovely. That's not real. It's a thin way to
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: try to piece that together, but I think you could...
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: There is a way to make that kind of... A
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: clever writer could do it. Because it's not even like
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: cutting edge now. That's been going on for, what, 15
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: years or more that we've been... And there's probably plenty
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: of real world examples to draw from.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: Do people really have Facebook accounts still?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah i just don't use it i don't trust it
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: but you know it is the way that people still
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: interact for a lot of people i think i defused
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: mine nothing's come along and like taken its place there's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: been all these other things that have come along and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: tried to a couple of them have done well but
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: nothing's hit that level and i keep waiting and at
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: that at that point facebook will buy them Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, I use Instagram exclusively.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I was thinking Google, but Google even tried. Google did
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: its own kind of try to be and still couldn't.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Google Plus.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: Google Plus.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But in their mind, that was going to be the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: new Facebook. Yeah, no, I know. And truthfully, if anybody
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: had the money to give them a rivalry, it's Google.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: It still didn't work. That's the thing. I don't know what.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: The difference is all these things have come along to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: try to be the new Facebook.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: It's because everybody's just kind of lazy.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: It's just easy.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: They feel like switching over. Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Because that's why Facebook worked. Because again, I.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: And as a company, they did the work of maintaining.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Whatever that is. And they did the advertising angle. Like
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: the previous, which I kind of liked better, but the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: old version of it before it became Facebook didn't bother
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: to bank on the advertising the way that What are
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: you talking about? MySpace? MySpace was a better system. And
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: people responded to things better. It worked better as a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: tool to get the word out about what you're doing
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: and what you're promoting. Maybe it's also just because people
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: weren't as blind to all that stuff the way they
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: are now. But I remember the stuff that we were promoting, again,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: the early days of what became this show, we used
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: to put together events and people showed up because I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: posted it on there, where it Five years later, I
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: put stuff on Facebook and nobody would see it. And
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: some of it is they just ignore everything because there's
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: so much going across your feed. But at the same time,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I think Facebook also started readjusting the variables so that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: nobody saw all that stuff. They were busy seeing the ads. Again,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: they're very smart about the way they did it. I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: don't like the way they did it, but they're very
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: smart about the way they did it. No, they're smart.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have to give.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: Them kudos for the You know, their ability to maintain
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: the market.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But when it should have come and gone like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: all the rest of them.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: Because the rule was five years.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Now, five years is your max. And now it changes
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: so fast you don't even get five years. You're the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: new cool thing for maybe six months and then everybody's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: moved on.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: The dirty and hippie in me hates when I hear, oh,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: are you on Facebook? No, I'm not on Facebook. My
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: mom's on Facebook.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Her friends are on Facebook. I think that's the reason
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it worked. I think, again, MySpace was a bunch of
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: dumb kids, and dumb kids aren't something you can bank on.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: There aren't something you're worried about making money off of,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: even though they have a huge amount of money. They
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: have what they're supposed to. But, again, it's hard to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: pin down what they're going to do. But once Facebook
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: happened and every grandma came on there to see pictures
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: of their grandkids... you had people that weren't going anywhere,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: people that were very susceptible to your advertising. Like that's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: why it worked is because suddenly everybody's mom was on
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: there and that was a base that wasn't going anywhere.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Where the kids... shifted off and went to 10 other things.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: And they were on this thing that went under. They
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: were on this thing that went under. And they constantly
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: keep changing to a new thing that you can't make
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: money off of because it's gone in six months.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: They're going to Kickstarter now. Kickstarter's for the kids. Sharper
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: image is for Facebook grandmas.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: But I don't mean that like... There's nothing wrong with
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: my mom. She's totally cool. But what it became is like...
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: My family... that lives in wherever that I don't see
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: posting pictures of their kids that I never see.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: In a way, that's the only way it works. It's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the only way to keep up with people that you
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: really don't care enough to keep up with in your
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: real life. To be honest, it's true. I mean, there's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: people that are like, oh, we went to grade school together.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Let me add you. I'm like, you haven't seen me
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: in umpteen years. You didn't like me then. Why do
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: you want to add me now? It is a weird
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: way to keep up with, which maybe keep track of,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: other people to see what you're doing versus what I'm doing.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Am I doing better than you?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: Because that's really all I want to know.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: Or your weird friend's political views and you're like, my God,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: that is humiliating.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I don't need to know that.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: Your weird relative's political views.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: For people like us that have these side gigs that
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: we do, that is not a way to advertise whatever
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: you're doing.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: At all. It used to be because it was the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: thing that worked.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Well, it did, but it's not.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: But now it's not, but nothing's taken its place. So
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: now there's nothing left for us. I think that the-
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: But that's why I'm not going to be on it.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: Just because I have to.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. I won't do it. But there's no
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: other option.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to do it. I don't care.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: But then you're a failure and you have nothing.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: The call to arms is to do something that no
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: one else is doing. I mean, you have to get
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: inventive about- how you're delivering your messages to people now.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: Because everything else has already been done. The stuff that
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: exists today does not actually get through to anyone.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: It doesn't.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I quit doing events in the real world.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Because nobody came. Nobody saw it.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: You can announce it, but no one cares. People do
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: not pay attention to that. You have to attach yourself
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: to someone else. I mean, you have to network with
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: something else. you have to create community a real community
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: we're getting back to actually getting together with real people
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: and having real conversations that works when it works but
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: there's so many other things going on competing with you
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: and your community that we're all fighting for the same
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: group of people we were always fighting but now we
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: have no good way to do it either Yeah, but
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: You know, my refusal would be on Facebook, but I'm
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: on Instagram. Well, they're owned by the same. I mean,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: it's the same thing.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: It's all the same.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: It's all the same. But I feel like Instagram is
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: a better communicator.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Medium. I don't get that at all.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: Medium for me.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I don't get that at all. Well, she's doing very
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: visual things. Visual things.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: My problem with Facebook is it's very much like not
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: a conversation. It's just somebody not even waiting to say
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: the next thing. Just saying the next thing over you
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: as you're saying the thing, right? Like, it's not even
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: like a response.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I don't get involved in those kind of interactions.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, in general. But no, in general, if
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: you think about the way it's set up and you're like, hey,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: I'm on fire. And somebody's like, I am on extra
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: fire and I have this new thing and here are
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: my boobs. You know what I mean? Like, it's all.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting that feed at all. Wait a minute.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Fiery boobs sounds, I mean, hot, obviously. But... But you
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: Like, there's nothing about it that's really that conversational.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: It's all just the person... Well, again, they're all terrible. Yeah,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: it's all terrible. But that one at least has the potential,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: or did before it got bastardized into what it is now, to...
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: put the word out about a thing where I feel
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: like all the rest of them are so segmented into
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: here's this look at this look at this and no
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: way to get the other information across so even if
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: somebody's like oh that was a cool picture what where
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: was it where was it from I don't know where
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: to go so yeah it already does it do a
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: good job of communicating everything's lost what it is that
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get the word out about anyway so
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I think they all kind of fail at that now.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: There's just too much there's just too much shit going.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: On it really is and that's what I realized is
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Most of the time, nobody cares. Whatever it is you're
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: trying to put the word out about, nobody cares. Period.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: They've all got their own thing that they're worried about
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: and they're doing and they're spinning their own plates. So
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: they don't have time for your plates over here. So
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: get out. Like that's basically what it's come to. It's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: like there's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: of people that still come through and go, oh, I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: like this thing that you're doing. Good plate spinning. But
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: like the majority of them are doing their own thing
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: and could care less about what you're doing and really
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: don't know that you're doing anything. And I don't know
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: that there's a way to fix it or should we
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: even try to fix it? Maybe it is a fix.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but we've lost that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: community and we've lost a way to get back to
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: that community if we think we want to, which I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: don't know that we do.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: Well, because that, you're right, as a delivery system.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: It's gone.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it should still be there.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Something should be there. It doesn't have to be Facebook,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: for God's sake.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: But that's what we've all been.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Nothing's taken its place to be a good delivery system.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's left.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: Next door.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's left.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: Have you ever looked at next door?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it's like.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: It's complaints, really. That's all it is. It's a catalog
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: of complaints. That's the weird neighborhood. Yeah, and the.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Same people asking for a good painter or what does
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: this hawk have in its foot? That's what I see
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: every time and I'm like, it's the same.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in the end, maybe in a world
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: where Everybody over shares everything, every moment of the day.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe the project that you're working on shouldn't be.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Shared every five minutes. Maybe it should be kept as
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: something quiet until it's time to not be quiet.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Until it's time to not be quiet. Until there's actually...
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: But then there's nobody there to see it when you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: unveil it. So then you've been wasting your time. Well,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I mean... There's no such thing as an automatic audience.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to, you know. See, I think
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: to come full circle to this entire long discussion is
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: it comes back to then at the end, what you
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: need is some sort of funding behind it. What you
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: need is money.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Well, again, you must be doing something for some end result.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: And most of us are trying to make a living
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: doing a thing that we care about. So at the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: end of the day, you have to kind of get
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: money from it. So we're back to that same thing.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: You're not talking about money to do it. You're talking
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: about money to earn.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Either at this point. Because if you get the right
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: person involved, you can get money involved before you even
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: do a thing. If you end up on the right
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: person's list in the right scenario. And I see more
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: and more people get to that point. But again, are
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: they selling that? Are they giving that? Are they stamping
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Nissan on themselves to do that?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: Are they wearing Nissan pants?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: We're right back to that point. I'm like, is that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: not our end result anyway? Aren't we trying to get
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: to that point just to survive? No, I want to
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: be the Nissan.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: You want to be.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: The person looking to give funding.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: Well, no, I want to be the product that is
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: successful enough to say, yeah, here, take whatever, try that.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: But how do you get to that point if no
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: one else comes on board and throws a lot of
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: money at you? You can't get successful enough to even.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: I may never, but all I can do is try.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: And there's no secret answer, you know, and it's not Facebook.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: Facebook.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: It certainly is not. There isn't.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, it gets back to messy humanity. There's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: wheeling and dealing in the background.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I do the thing.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: But I do think that there's something to be said for,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: you know, and as hokey as this sounds, for following
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: your heart, being your true self and delivering what yourself,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: whatever that is, to the rest of the world and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: being open about it, being real. If there's one thing
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: that people can see straight through, it's a fraud.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: And that translates extremely well on the internet. Because the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: universe is telling you you're a fraud.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: But I do the thing because I love the thing.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: And my dream would be to make the thing totally
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: work for me one day.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: That's the road I'm going down. But what happens when you...
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: you're completely honest and you are yourself and you put
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: yourself out there and no one gives a shit.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: Well, never.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: And to the point where you can't even do the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: thing you want to do anymore.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: Then you can at least say, then you can at
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: least say, Hey, I, I did it.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: But you wouldn't stop doing it.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I took, I put, what if you can't do it? Well,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: there's not funding coming in to keep you doing it.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: He's prohibited from doing it anymore because there's because of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: no scratch involved.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, You can at least say then, I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: did it. I took a shot. It didn't work out.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: That happens 90% of the time.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: It's such a rare occurrence that somebody who takes a
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: chance and puts it out into the world that something happens.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: It's a crapshoot. There's no guarantee. I feel like it
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: isn't always 100% true to the if you're selling some
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: sort of bullshit that people will see through that. I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: feel like so many of the things that do make
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: it and do get funding to carry on are the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: worst example and are the people that kind of seem
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: like they're half doing it because this opportunity just fell
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: in their lap and they really don't even put that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: much work into it or care. But they're the ones
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: that keep getting who are they lying to? Are they
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: lying to the public? Yes. Are they lying to the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: people that are giving them money?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: They're probably saying, hey, if you give me $ 5 million,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make this movie about a guy who
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: is an arm wrestler who puts his cap on backwards,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: and he's got this shitty little kid with him, and.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: He drives a truck. And I'm telling you, it's going
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: to be golden. And, you know, if they're.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: Honest about that and that's the movie that they wanted
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: to make, and I'm sure that they did. I'm sure
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: that there was somebody that, you know, legitimately believed that
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: that was the right movie to make. That, you know,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: regardless of whether he was right or wrong, there was
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: somebody there to give money. So really, you know, if
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: what you're providing to someone who has money to give
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: is truth and they believe you.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: That's really what it's.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: About, in my opinion. I think you have to convince
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: the sponsor that your truth is valuable.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. Okay.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: I think that you can be a total snake oil salesman,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: and if you can say that you can get it
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: in front of so many people, then that's what they
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: care about.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: And it works. Sometimes.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: I'm actually not disputing that. I think that that is
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: also true, but at the end of the day, you know.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: For people like us, I don't think that we would
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: actually feel good about ourselves.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know. You guys said you were willing to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: wear Nissan branded clothing for five years.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: You know, but that's a small commitment. Again, I don't
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with the necessary evil of balancing
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: it out. If you can take in money to do
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: something that you love and still be able to do
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: the thing that you love the way that you like. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're selling out at that point. I
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: think you're funding the thing that you want to create.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: Which is exactly how Over the Top got made.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Somebody had a dream. Somebody believed in our wrestling.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: Alright, here's what we need to do. We need to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: investigate this and write a book about the making.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Of Over the Top.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: There's our million dollar deal.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: But we need funding to get it published. So if
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: you guys would like to kick in and get this.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: Amazon's doing self-publishing. We don't need anybody.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Do it ourselves.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: No, it's difficult to Ride the line of feel like
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: you're being true to yourself and then also being marketable.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: And that is unique to every person. I mean, everyone
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: has their own threshold for what that is. To harken
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: back to what you were saying earlier, we can't hold
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: it against people who are willing to sleep to the top.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Over the top. Over the top. Sleeping over the top.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: That was a great one-liner ending, if I ever remember
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: it anyway.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: I just meant you can't hold it. I feel like
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: I'm going to have to backtrack about that for the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: rest of my life. What I'm saying is you can't
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: hold that against a person in the scheme of things.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: You can't because.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: If it's consensual and they're being true to who they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: want to be and they're being scrappy.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: That's how they got their funding.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: That's how they got their way to do what they
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: wanted to do.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Right. Then you can't hold it against them. I mean,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I agree. That's what I was going
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: to say. We're making it into the, because it's the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: topical thing now, the sexual end of it. What if
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: it is just like, if you're willing to be the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: snake oil salesman and screw people over and lie and
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: cheat your way to get what you want out of it.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Yeah. It is essentially the same thing,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: just a different scenario. And that scenario happens in every arena.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, man.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: I may not be a great sheriff, but if I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: can sell people and I can get, you know, blow
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: for politicians that are willing to back me in my election.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Then, you know, I'm just being scrappy. This is a
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: very slippery slope. We really doubt it. I'm not speaking
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: about it. anyone in particular. In general. You're just running
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: for sheriff.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: Are you running for sheriff?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: I could. I might.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Although I don't know that I would want that job.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: But if somebody wanted to elect me and I could
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: draw a lot of illegal money out of it.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: That's that's the most.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: Lucrative that's the most lucrative side that's where it comes
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: from I mean the state isn't really giving you anything
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: great pensions are crap.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: Oh man you know yeah how do you position yourself
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: to it's just luck I think so much of it
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: is definitely an element all the hard work and do
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: all the ground work.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: And never accomplish anything.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: In luck So you got to keep doing the thing
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: you love then.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: But if you don't do the work, you're definitely going nowhere.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: You might at least get some enjoyment out.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Of your life. To just do it. You should be
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: doing it for your own enjoyment.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: Someone has gotten somewhere doing absolutely nothing.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: I know that's a true tale.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't know. It's definitely true.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: It's true. That's what the lottery bank's on. And I
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: keep playing. Not very much because I can't afford to.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: But that one ticket. This is my only shot at survival.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: If Powerball comes through, I can live tomorrow. sad when
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: that's your only hope. And I feel like we're building
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: a society that that really is. So many of the
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: have-nots that all of it is left is this one
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: long shot chance that I'll be able to live the
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: good life. You know, it's like a weird dystopian.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: If you think about the history of human kind, we've
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: just gone from one era to the next with that
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: very scenario.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: It has not changed.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Except that we have these strange little blips where there's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: an odd fluctuation like the tech boom or whatever.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: The industrial revolution. To the tech boom. Right.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: Strange idiots suddenly become overnight billionaires.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, that happens.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: But, you know, in general, it's a struggle. If you
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: do what you love....
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: You will at least get some enjoyment out of life.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: You may toil in obscurity.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm okay, I guess. But at least you will
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: be happy 20% of the time. For moments. Certainly not
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: all of your life. Brief, fleeting moments. But fleeting moments
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: that you don't want to give it all up.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: You're not willing to put a gun to your head.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just we have those moments. Like Mel
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Gibson in Lethal Weapon. Right.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Where he just didn't pull the trigger. So don't pull
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: the trigger, guys. Do what you love and probably no
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: one will fund you.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: The end. Maybe.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Is that where we've ended? I don't know. Is that
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: what this journey has led us?
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: Let's keep talking, though, because it's fun.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: Well, this is actually a really interesting conversation.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: Now I'm afraid that I really sounded like an idiot.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: I just, you know, I don't know. Like, that is
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: a really slippery slope.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: All of these. I was going to say, there's like
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: five different slopes all leading to the same pit into hell.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, but if we're not taking risks, I mean, what
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: are we doing?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: It's okay. Living the good life and having things easy? Oh, wait.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Some people, that's the part that is really weird to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: me is that some people really end up in a
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: place without putting much effort into it and Don't really
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: have to take any risk and don't sacrifice anything. And
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: yet things go okay for them. And those scenarios are
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: literally all luck. It just is circumstance. My only takeaway
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: is I just assume that they have a horrible marriage
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: or like there's some other aspect of their life that's
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: just terrible. And I'm like, well, at least you got
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: that not going for you. Karma is a bitch. I hope.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's not.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Or I shouldn't hope, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe they made a blessed life and they're just
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: incredibly happy.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Screw those guys.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: And they have no depth and they don't know, you know.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: There's no Struggle.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: There's no dark area for them to draw inspiration from.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: There's no dark night of the soul.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: They just are oblivious and wander aimlessly.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's appealing, but yet I can't.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Imagine living like that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, why would you value anything phenomenal that came
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: to you?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: Life is brutal.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: It's ugly.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: It's just a grinding thing, but you know, like the 20%.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: Which is high. I mean, if we get 20% of awesome,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: that's still pretty good. And if you consider the other
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: options of how life could be worse.
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, there are many.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: I'm okay with my obscurity.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I realize that as much as I can. There certainly
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: can always be things going worse. Yeah. There's always ways
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: that it can go much, much worse.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: We are totally fucking blessed.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, there are... There are scenarios that make
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: me frustrated when I'm like, because I think there are
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: people that are just sort of oblivious to all of
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: it and really don't have many things, you know, dragging
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: them down along the way. Now, it doesn't mean that
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: they're better or happy or any of that, but it
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: is weird that that scenario is presented to them. And
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: I really don't think they even think twice about it.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: It just is their life.
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  Speaker 5: It's like the kids you went to grade school with
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: that you know their whole life has been easy. Now,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: whether that's true, I don't know.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times you find out that's not.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: And whether I.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: There are a handful that do pan out and like, no, wait, really?
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Everything just went well.
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  Speaker 5: Or maybe everything easy. Like maybe they're just, that's just
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: how they rolled. And they were well-adjusted, You know, I
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: knew from the get-go that things were pretty weird and
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: awkward for me.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of the time. That's what happened.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: I created my own self-fulfilling prophecy. So how much of
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: that do we engage in? You know, there's these happy,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: sunny people, right? That are like, oh, everything's great and
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: I'm popular.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: And they go to Burning Man.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know what those people do.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of drugs. Because they can afford them.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: You know, and then there are these... Things where you're like,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: why do I feel, seem to feel deeper about things, right? Like,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: these are kids that would, like, kick an injured bird, right?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: And I'd be the kid that couldn't come to school
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: for two days because I saw this poor injured bird
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: get kicked, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: just people that... deal with things and they just it
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: it just goes and they're well adjusted and then there's
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: those of us.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Who are they well adjusted or are they just desensitized
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: to the point that they don't care like how.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: Can you be desensitized as a kid you know what.
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  Speaker 4: I mean well and we're talking about the our society
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: as a spectrum yeah then then there are people that
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: fit in.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: And know their place in the system.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: And they're joiners in the system.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: And then there's... And then there are the outliers.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: The rest of us who are like kicking and screaming.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: And then there's people that just quit participating.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, there's all kinds of weird scenarios.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: But I'm pretty sure I'm where I'm.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Supposed to be.
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  Speaker 5: Though I probably could have achieved a little bit more
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: if I'd tuned everything out.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Well, joined.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: Just jump on the bandwagon.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Or you just want to achieve more, but on your
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: own terms.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah. And.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole different thing. We get back to...
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: That's luck and timing.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: Luck, timing, your sense of integrity, you know, what that means.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: And that's the crazy thing. A sense of integrity will
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: really stop you short in some things.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: It really will. It really stirs you up.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: It'll keep you from doing hand jobs at some level.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: And that's how you get ahead. No! Oh! That was good.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: Damn.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying. I'm sorry.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: I totally rambled. But yeah, it's, you know. Like, you know,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: you think you're maladjusted when really you're probably pretty well adjusted.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: For being a human.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: And some of it comes from, it's funny to me,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: you see all these problems, or maybe just in retrospect,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: in retrospect, you see all these problems. But, and this was, again,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: if we're doing some sort of tie-in, movie-wise, I recently
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: went and saw My Friend Dahmer.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: Watching that is kind of amazing because we're getting it
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: from the, again, like everyone knows this. I mean, the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: movie is about a young Jeffrey Dahmer. Everyone knows him now.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: It's become, again, it's become a punchline. It's become its
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: own weird sick joke of who he became. It's based
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: on a graphic novel written by a guy who went
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: to high school with him. He was just, he was
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: his friend. He was just a guy he hung out with.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: He was a weird guy he hung out with and
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: watching again, I applaud them for making this movie the
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: way they did, because it would be really easy to
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: just try to tell it as a grisly horror story.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: And like this kid's messed up. Look how weird he is.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: It takes it so detached and you watch so many
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: things that like, just a minor adjustment because this kid
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: was just a kid that didn't fit in at school
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: i'd say most of us understand that and this was
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: just like people just continued to do things the wrong
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: way and not fix these problems and like it because
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: you watch him from day one like he's just he's
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: a little different but not really that different than people
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: i knew or was or any of this like you
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: watch him going down these roads and if somebody would
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: have just cared or done things the right way like
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: it would have steered him totally different i feel like
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: because he's not that's by the end you're like he's
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: not a bad kid he's just a kid that doesn't
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: understand why he is this way or, or the decisions
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: that he's making. And if somebody were there to help him,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, instead of shoving him down the wrong road
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: or isolating him more so that he's left on his
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: own with no one fixing these problems, he's left to
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: like throw himself into this horrible hole that he's in
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: where when you're isolated, nobody's there to readjust it. And
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: you just continue to like bastardize these things that are,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: wrong and becoming more and more wrong and you also
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: lose perspective where you don't realize fully how wrong these
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: things are and like so you you i don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know we're all a thumbnail away yeah it's like that
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: was yeah that was really impressively.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Put together from my from my end of watching it
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: going this this is a situation that could go wrong
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: for everyone like everyone could be that kid With the
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: wrong decisions made over and over and over again, it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: just multiplies to the point that this is where you
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: end up. This is the weird version of all these
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: wrong decisions come true in this person. And it becomes you.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: The adage, you've got potential.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: Can mean a variety of things.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: And then the potential can go wrong just as much
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: as right yes we could go many different directions so
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: that yeah i mean that's thinking back to the kids
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: and the decisions and all of these things panning out
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: i think it also is if we're going back to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: that community that we've lost so much of it is
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: made by other people's actions or inactions and like I
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: don't know that any of us are concerned about fixing
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: anybody else's problems. Like, we're just kind of doing our
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: own thing, and that's where we end up with. We
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: end up with these people that fall through the cracks
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: and end up in a horrible place that they don't
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: even realize how.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Bad it is.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: And that is always going to... In my opinion, I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: feel like that's always going to happen.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like it always has, and it's not really
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: going to go away. Certainly.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: But I feel like we have to want to try,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: at least. And, you know, there's a.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: Reluctance to give a shit. And I feel like the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: more we're on Facebook, the less likely we are to
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: give a shit.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd give a shit, but I was too busy posting.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: About my breakfast.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: You know, it's messy. But we're also continuing to isolate
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: ourselves more and more because we only exist in these
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: little internet worlds. Yeah. So, I don't know. I think that's... Right. Again,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's always happened, but I think there's potential
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: to get worse as we distance ourselves from each other.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: An interesting dynamic that happens with Facebook and all social media, right,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: is that... And this happened before the internet, actually, but
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: because it's such a widespread.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: It's such a larger scale.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: We were seeing more of it, but the echo chamber.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: You have an idea, and really the only thing that
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: you're exposed to are people who feel the same way
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: as you, so you never are exposed to any new
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: ideas or challenges to your ideas.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: And so the world found that out pretty recently.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: And people who lived in their little world could not
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: imagine that things would pan out the way that they do.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: And then they did. And I think they're still kind
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: of living with the shock of it. Not to pin
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: down specifics, but I remember hearing people talk in their
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: little world about things before things changed in the last
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: year or two. And like, I don't think it ever
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: even occurred to them that it could have happened. Because
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: the only people they were listening to were their friends
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: that thought the same and felt the same. And I'm like,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: you're missing a good portion of people who are not
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: like you and are doing things different than you and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: feel very different than you and are going to make
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: decisions regardless of how you feel about things.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: Now, is there an antidote to that? I don't know
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: that there is currently.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Because there's so many of us. Yeah. And really the
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: only thing bridging.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: The gap is the fact that we do have social
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: media and we have all, we have access to other
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: types of people, but we don't want to go there. Right, right.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: So ultimately it.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: Comes down to you, the individual to go out and
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: seek views contrary to your own and not just any,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: but ones that actually make a decent argument.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: You know, who's the purveyor of those? I don't know.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they don't even exist.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: And maybe that is the billion dollar idea.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: You know, the place where, you know.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Is actually a good platform for multiple viewpoints to be.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: expressed in a reliable way but nobody wants to hear
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: those is the thing like we've gotten.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: To the point now where it's like it's not I'm
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: open to those ideas it's no I will not even.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Hear your ideas read it or hear it or I'll
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: just make fun of you and call you fat.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: It is it's own weird little scenario that we've ended
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: up in now where like I feel like that didn't
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: used to exist you used to You know, again, we're
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: medieval times. You're in town square and the guy yelling,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: you got to listen to him. Now we can block
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: that guy. Right. Don't listen to him.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: And we don't hear what he's yelling about. I'm calling
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: it fundamentalistism. Yes. I don't know.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: Or we just take it down to the root and.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Nothing else exists. What if the root is evil? We
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: have no takeaway from this. I don't know that we've
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: learned anything in this long journey.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, life is ultimately sad.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: I want to hope that people are good.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: But there are gems, you know, in the individual... Why
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: can't I talk?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Back and forth that we have amongst each other is.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Ultimately positive, I think. That's what we get the most
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: out of, right?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like this, and again, us sitting here has
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: become the most functional and useful thing in my life. Literally.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, what I'm saying, not specifically us three, but
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: in general. Oh, okay. I see how it is.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: No, I get it.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Mostly not you two, but the other people that I've
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: talked to, I think it is, but it is. The
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: fact that this is going on makes a difference in
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: at least my life. So it's like, hopefully the other
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: people too, but maybe not. I don't know. You don't
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: need millions of dollars. Enough to not die. But that's
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: a side thing. I'm not even discussing it. I'm just
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: talking about, I think there are those minor things that
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: that connection... It can still go on. I don't know
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: that it is a lot of times with people. But
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: I think those are the things that I've taken from
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: all of life in general. It's like because you were
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: naming off all the terrible things going on and the
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: ways we disconnect. The only things that I've really found
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: that have worked for me and that I get things from,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: good things, are usually artistically based. So I come back to, again,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: the fact that I want to talk about film week
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: in and week out. And I'm watching a system that
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: is horribly corrupt, but has created beautiful things. Right.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: And that's what those people get together behind. There is
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: a camaraderie amongst those artists.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: They're pros.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: They show up to do the job regardless of the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: conditions sometimes.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's horrible conditions.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: And they say, damn it, I'm going to do this
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: because I believe in this project and I agree with you.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they just need a paycheck. Well, some of them,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: that's true. Or it can be both. It can be both.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: You need a paycheck.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: I think that goes along with being a pro. You're
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: a pro because you're making money.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: I also think it's up to you as the viewer
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: or consumer of whatever this is to find the good
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: in it. So if that guy just showed up to
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: hold a boom that day because he had a family
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: to feed, that's fine. But if at the other end
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: of it, you're taking something greater from the film that
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: he was there working on... Doesn't that outweigh the fact
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: that he might not have cared all day long? He
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: might have been thinking about, I can't wait to get
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: home and play video games.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: He could have been flipping burgers, yeah.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: If something better comes along as the end result, it
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter as long as you get something good out
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: of it? it again that's the only thing i kind
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: of can keep taking from this is like that that
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: you know watching films or or looking at art or
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: whatever consumption of art you do is is one of
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: the few good things that the horrors of the earth
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: have spawned so it's like if I can find that
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: that's what I keep trying to those are the good
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: moments those 20% of moments like so many of them
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: are art related so that really is what keeps bringing
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: me back and some of it is conversation and what
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  Speaker 1: little community we've built out of talking into microphones week
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  Speaker 1: in and week out so I feel like that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the 20% it is the antidote to so many
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  Speaker 1: evil i think it is and there's you can't i
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: agree satan clauses out there and he's he's getting stronger
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  Speaker 1: every day cramp to quote in an action movie but
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  Speaker 1: i think it's this i think it's these little baby
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  Speaker 1: steps in the artistic realm that are the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that kind of counterbalance it a little bit a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Talking for a while I mean not that I don't
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  Speaker 5: like to talk my.
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  Speaker 1: Back hurts this is a long yeah this is a
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: long ongoing multi-week process here it takes you to New Year's.
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  Speaker 5: No no yeah weed out the stupid stuff we gotta
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  Speaker 5: be back next week whatever I say a lot of
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  Speaker 5: stupid shit but that's.
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  Speaker 1: What we bank on you're brilliant that's what we bank
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  Speaker 1: on and you represent all.
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  Speaker 5: Women no I certainly do not.
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  Speaker 1: I got in trouble for saying that. But I guess
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: because I used the term female. For some reason, the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: female in the room was taken aback by me using
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: that term. What, you can't say female? I guess not.
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  Speaker 5: I see that's why I don't represent all women because
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand women after a certain point. Prior to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: and after, I'm just in this middle ground.
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  Speaker 1: I think her point was that no one refers to like, oh,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: we have a male on this something or other. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's because I was specifying it and using
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: that term as though it were different than, oh, we
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: have these people here and this female.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a descriptor.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was, I was like, I was just
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: using it. You just need to say we have a
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: variety of genders. I was using it to differ from
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: we have a, because most podcasts out there are a
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: bunch of damn dudes and probably white dudes sitting in
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: a basement. Talking, and I was like, my point was,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: almost every week, I have at least a female on
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: the panel sitting there counterbalancing the bunch of dorky dudes
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: in every other show. The dick ratio. Again, I've tried,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: and not even going out of my way.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: To- Taking the sausage down a notch. I'm like- Sausage
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  Speaker 5: ratio down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not purposely trying to. I just.
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  Speaker 5: It happens that you do.
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  Speaker 1: It happens that the people that I know I want
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: to talk to are also women and I'm okay with that.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it occurred to me. Shame on you.
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  Speaker 5: Shame.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: Till years in. And I went, oh, I accidentally happened
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: to balance things out. Good for me, I guess. But
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: Don't be a man and point out that I'm a woman.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, regardless. I should only talk to guys
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: that are just like me in my echo chamber will
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: be awesome because they'll all think the same dumb things
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: that I do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, I don't, I don't
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: get like, I only work as a. like woman born
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: between a certain age between a certain year to a
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: certain year.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: Man and a woman of a certain age probably not
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: very sensitive as long as they're both.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: Consenting adults probably not very sensitive to a whole lot
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: that's going on but totally cool with whatever anybody wants
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: to do or.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: Be you know you can do whatever you want just
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: leave me.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: Alone meal And now we're back to the way the
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: rest of the world thinks.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: I care.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: Leave me out of it, and I don't know what's
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: going on. I care. Do what you want to the girl,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: but leave me alone.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: Not the girl.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily. The female. Wait, you can't use that either.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: What are we left with? To the person. Just leave
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: me alone.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: The fungus.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: It's this woman. I don't know how this works anymore.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: No, you know what I'm saying? Do what you want
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: to the fish lady. To the sentient being. Leave the
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: sentient being alone.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: Take the sentient being and leave me. That's how it
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: usually works. Do what you want to the McDonald's worker,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: but leave me out of it. We'll all be behind
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: the counter scene. Oh, my God. They got health insurance. Yeah, really.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: It's something. Yeah, no.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: Everybody should live their life however they want, and I
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: don't care. I'm happy for them. I'm sensitive to them.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Damn, dirty hippie. That's all that's left.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: Whatever, dude, but I'm just like a... woman of a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: certain age.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: I just want us all to live in harmony amen.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: Is that the new place that they built.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: Out harmony yeah harmony yeah why you can't afford them
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: but they're really nice yeah they're really nice i mean
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: everybody's white too.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: They've got everything.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: I think we're just laugh happy at this point. They
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: don't have this.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: The creaky board.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: I would hope not.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: One day you won't have creaky boards. Well, that was fun.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: That was something. I guess we should fully wrap up. Oh, okay.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: be done i don't even know how we've ended up
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: all the places we are because we haven't done this
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on this journey both of you
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: and all you poor saps out there listening so.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: It was fun lucky lucky lucky saps.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Are you are you willing to to return at some
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: point and somewhere in the new year put together another
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: one of these i am i am I was reluctant
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: to do this one.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe we don't have to be quite so grand. We
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: can focus a little more.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. We're getting down to fundamentals.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: That might be the thing. I think we always do.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: I think we always, we pick a topic and then
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: we never really stick to it. So that's good. That's
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: a given every week, I feel.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: I think it certainly is in line with the rest
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: of humanity.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's my thing. I'm like, yes, we do.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: come to it because of a film, but somewhere along
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: the way, I try to find the real life version.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: What it's about, yeah.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: The world part of it.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: What I'd like to know is how many times we
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: segue from conversation to movie and movie to conversation. How
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: many times in this podcast? Well, in the last two.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: But that's like real life for me.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: That's what I was just going to say. But that's
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: the way I operate. If I'm bothering to talk to
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: someone else, which most of the time they don't want
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: me to. But if it's someone who gets who I
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: am and what I talk about, that's like fluid. Like
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: I do not have conversations that don't cross over. I
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: want a number. 782. Not now. Nope. Too late. End
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: it now. After it's ended, I want to know the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: actual number.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: Because I felt like we were like lightning this time.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: We went with boom, boom, boom.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: We were in and out of over the top.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I would just like to say that.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: That's the porn knockoff version that you can find many,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: many sites out there will carry it. In and out
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: of Over the Top.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: In and out of Over the Top.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: When I turn my hat around, it's going down. Watch out,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: you son of a bitch.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: That makes me want to watch Over the Top.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Nobody wants to watch Over the Top.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: Get real.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: I like bad movies. Why don't you all realize this
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: about me?
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: And we will continue to those at some point in
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: the future. I'm not just talking.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: I'm talking.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I can't sit anymore.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: I'm backers.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it. We shall return next time.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 6: I don't like my mind right now. Stacking up problems
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: that are so unnecessary. Wish that I could slow things down.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: I want to let go, but there's comfort in the panic.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: And I drive myself crazy thinking everything's about me.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I drive.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 6: Myself crazy because I can't escape the gravity. Why is
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: everything so heavy? Oh, So much more than I can carry.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 6: I keep dragging around what's bringing me down. If I
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: just let go, I'd be set free.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: Why is everything so heavy?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 6: You say that I'm paranoid. But I'm pretty sure the
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: water's out to get me.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: It's not like I made the choice. So let my
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: mind stay so fucking messy.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not the center of the universe, but
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: you keep spinning.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Around me just the same.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not the center of the universe, but
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: you keep spinning around.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: Me just the same.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I'm holding on.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: Why is everything so heavy?
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Holding on.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: To so much more than I can carry. I keep
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: trying around what's bringing me down. If I just let go,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: I'd be set free. Holding on. Why is everything so heavy?
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not the center.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Of the universe.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 6: You keep spinning around me just the same.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not the center of the universe.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 6: But you keep.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: Spinning around me just the same.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: Why is everything so heavy holding on?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: So much more than I can carry.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: I keep dragging around what's bringing me down. If I
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: just let go, I'd be suffering. Holding on. Why is
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: everything so heavy? Why is everything so heavy?
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: What does she sound like?
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: She's probably 25, but sounds like an 80-year-old woman.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: Like she's been smoking her entire life. No, no, no.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 5: That's not like the Tom Waits effect.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wish. So she's a Muppet? I'm getting a
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Muppet vibe. She's a cross between Grover and Grover Cleveland.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: Huh.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: I'd watch that show. Can we pitch that?
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 5: Grover, Grover, Cleveland.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: That would be great. Grover, Grover. Actually, just Grover, Grover
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: versus Grover, Cleveland. I see the text popping up on
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: the screen now. It's got a fun, catchy theme song
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: and then Grover, Grover. Well, that was tragic. That didn't
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: sound good. Your foley work needs some work. Now it's thundering.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: Can I tap you out there, hon? And then the
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: horses came. They sound a lot like the thunder.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: The horse will live.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: And a fake leg. A pirate horse came to... Never mind.
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