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How The Transformative Power of Children's Books Helps Today's World; NaMOOste · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 4:06
  Hi,
• 4:07
  I'm
• 4:07
  Marley
• 4:07
  and
• 4:08
  I'm
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  author
• 4:09
  of
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  children's
• 4:10
  book
• 4:10
  called
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  Namu
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  Stay.
• 4:14
  I
• 4:15
  love
• 4:15
  it.
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  love
• 4:15
  it.
• 4:16
  Thanks,
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  Marley,
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  for
• 4:17
  appearing
• 4:18
  on
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  Adventures
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  in
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  the
• 4:19
  Heart,
• 4:19
  a
• 4:19
  children's
• 4:19
  book
• 4:20
  authors
• 4:20
  podcast
• 4:21
  show.
• 4:22
  Marley,
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  as
• 4:23
  she's
• 4:24
  mentioned,
• 4:24
  has
• 4:25
  written
• 4:25
  a
• 4:26
  children's
• 4:26
  book
• 4:26
  called
• 4:27
  Nam
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  Muste,
• 4:28
  which
• 4:28
  is
• 4:29
  just
• 4:29
  going
• 4:29
  to
• 4:29
  be
• 4:29
  a
• 4:29
  lot
• 4:29
  of
• 4:30
  fun
• 4:30
  discussing
• 4:31
  her
• 4:31
  book.
• 4:32
  Marley,
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  do
• 4:32
  have
• 4:33
  your
• 4:33
  book.
• 4:34
  Oh,
• 4:34
  amazing.
• 4:35
  Great
• 4:35
  book.
• 4:35
  I
• 4:36
  had
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  lot
• 4:36
  of
• 4:36
  fun
• 4:36
  reading
• 4:37
  it,
• 4:37
  so
• 4:38
  thank
• 4:38
  you.
• 4:39
  Thank
• 4:39
  you
• 4:39
  so
• 4:39
  much.
• 4:40
  Thanks
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  for
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  having
• 4:41
  me
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  on
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  show.
• 4:42
  My
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  pleasure.
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  Before
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  we
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  jump
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  into
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  the
• 4:45
  details
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  your
• 4:46
  book,
• 4:46
  can
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  tell
• 4:47
  us
• 4:48
  what
• 4:48
  being
• 4:48
  a
• 4:49
  children's
• 4:49
  book
• 4:49
  author
• 4:50
  means
• 4:50
  to
• 4:50
  you?
• 4:52
  Definitely.
• 4:53
  Writing
• 4:54
  this
• 4:54
  children's
• 4:55
  book
• 4:55
  happened
• 4:57
  in
• 4:57
  a
• 4:57
  surprising
• 4:58
  way.
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  wasn't
• 4:59
  planning
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  on
• 5:00
  being
• 5:01
  a
• 5:01
  children's
• 5:01
  book
• 5:02
  author
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  when
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  was,
• 5:03
  which
• 5:03
  might
• 5:03
  surprise
• 5:04
  people
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  because
• 5:05
  I
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  have
• 5:07
  spent
• 5:07
  my
• 5:07
  entire
• 5:08
  career
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  as
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  a
• 5:09
  writer,
• 5:09
  as
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  a
• 5:10
  journalist
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  and
• 5:11
  editor,
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  but
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  never
• 5:12
  really
• 5:13
  thought
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  of
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  writing
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  a
• 5:14
  children's
• 5:14
  book.
• 5:14
  But
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  the
• 5:15
  idea
• 5:15
  just
• 5:16
  came
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  to
• 5:16
  me
• 5:16
  one
• 5:17
  day
• 5:17
  inspired
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  by
• 5:18
  my
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  son.
• 5:19
  At
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  time,
• 5:20
  he
• 5:20
  was
• 5:21
  about
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  2.
• 5:22
  He's
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  10
• 5:23
  now,
• 5:23
  so
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  it
• 5:24
  was
• 5:24
  a
• 5:24
  while
• 5:24
  ago.
• 5:25
  And
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  being
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  a
• 5:27
  children's
• 5:27
  book
• 5:27
  authority
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  means
• 5:29
  a
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  lot
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  more
• 5:30
  than
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  just
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  the
• 5:32
  fact
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  that
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  I
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  am
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  an
• 5:33
  author.
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  But
• 5:34
  the
• 5:35
  meaning
• 5:35
  is
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  very
• 5:36
  much
• 5:37
  about
• 5:37
  the
• 5:38
  journey
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  getting
• 5:39
  there,
• 5:40
  believing
• 5:41
  in
• 5:41
  myself,
• 5:43
  investing
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  time
• 5:44
  into
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  myself,
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  and
• 5:48
  persevering
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  and
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  just
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  making
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  something
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  happen.
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  noticed
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  you
• 5:53
  said
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  in
• 5:53
  your
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  bio
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  that
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  you
• 5:54
  wrote
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  it
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  in
• 5:55
  your
• 5:55
  notes
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  and
• 5:56
  then
• 5:56
  let
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  it
• 5:57
  percolate
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  for
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  while.
• 5:58
  So
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  tell
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  us
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
• 6:01
  that
• 6:01
  percolation.
• 6:02
  Oh,
• 6:03
  yes.
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  When
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  the
• 6:04
  idea
• 6:04
  came
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  to
• 6:05
  me,
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  wrote
• 6:05
  the
• 6:06
  first
• 6:06
  draft,
• 6:07
  like,
• 6:07
  immediately
• 6:08
  the
• 6:09
  entire
• 6:09
  first
• 6:09
  draft
• 6:10
  came
• 6:10
  to
• 6:10
  me,
• 6:10
  and
• 6:11
  I
• 6:11
  wrote
• 6:11
  it
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  in
• 6:12
  my
• 6:12
  notes,
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  then
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  I
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  just
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  set
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  it
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  aside
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  because
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  I
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  have
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  thousands
• 6:16
  of
• 6:17
  notes
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  on
• 6:17
  my
• 6:17
  phone
• 6:18
  that
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  always.
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  That's
• 6:20
  just
• 6:20
  my
• 6:20
  brain
• 6:20
  dump
• 6:21
  anytime
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  have
• 6:21
  any
• 6:22
  idea,
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  have
• 6:24
  a
• 6:24
  lot
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  ideas
• 6:25
  in
• 6:25
  my
• 6:25
  head
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  at
• 6:26
  all
• 6:26
  times
• 6:27
  on
• 6:27
  a
• 6:27
  wide
• 6:28
  range
• 6:29
  of
• 6:29
  subjects.
• 6:30
  So
• 6:31
  my
• 6:31
  notes
• 6:31
  are
• 6:32
  just
• 6:32
  full.
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  And
• 6:32
  I
• 6:33
  thought
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  this
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  was
• 6:33
  another
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  note
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  that
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  was
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  just
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  there
• 6:37
  just
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  in
• 6:38
  case,
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  because
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  you
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  never
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  know.
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  And
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  to
• 6:40
  be
• 6:40
  honest,
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  I
• 6:40
  forgot
• 6:41
  about
• 6:41
  it
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  a
• 6:42
  little
• 6:42
  while.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  didn't.
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  was
• 6:44
  just
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  like,
• 6:45
  oh,
• 6:46
  this
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  would
• 6:47
  be
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  really
• 6:48
  cool
• 6:48
  children's
• 6:48
  book.
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  Okay.
• 6:50
  And
• 6:50
  then
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  just
• 6:52
  really
• 6:52
  think
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  about
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  it
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  that
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  much.
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  And
• 6:54
  then
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  a
• 6:55
  few
• 6:55
  years
• 6:55
  later,
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  around,
• 6:58
  like
• 6:58
  when
• 6:58
  Covet
• 6:59
  hit
• 6:59
  actually
• 7:00
  is
• 7:01
  when
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  started
• 7:02
  thinking
• 7:03
  about
• 7:03
  it
• 7:03
  again,
• 7:03
  it
• 7:04
  came
• 7:04
  back
• 7:04
  into
• 7:04
  my
• 7:05
  mind.
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  It
• 7:06
  was
• 7:06
  a
• 7:06
  couple
• 7:06
  of
• 7:07
  years
• 7:07
  had
• 7:07
  passed,
• 7:08
  and
• 7:09
  for
• 7:09
  some
• 7:10
  reason,
• 7:10
  it
• 7:10
  just
• 7:11
  kept
• 7:12
  coming
• 7:12
  up
• 7:12
  in
• 7:13
  my
• 7:13
  mind
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  as
• 7:14
  something
• 7:15
  that
• 7:15
  maybe
• 7:15
  I'd
• 7:16
  want
• 7:16
  to
• 7:16
  do
• 7:16
  with.
• 7:17
  But
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  think
• 7:18
  that,
• 7:18
  like,
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  lot
• 7:19
  of
• 7:19
  other
• 7:19
  people
• 7:20
  experienced
• 7:21
  this
• 7:21
  from
• 7:22
  speaking
• 7:22
  with
• 7:22
  them,
• 7:23
  that
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  I
• 7:23
  definitely
• 7:23
  had
• 7:24
  some
• 7:24
  imposter
• 7:25
  syndrome
• 7:26
  of.
• 7:26
  Even
• 7:27
  though
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  wrote
• 7:28
  this
• 7:28
  book,
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  first
• 7:30
  draft,
• 7:31
  I'll
• 7:31
  say,
• 7:32
  I
• 7:33
  don't
• 7:33
  think
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  I
• 7:34
  allowed
• 7:34
  myself
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  think
• 7:36
  that
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  could
• 7:37
  be
• 7:38
  a
• 7:38
  published
• 7:39
  author.
• 7:39
  Because
• 7:40
  when
• 7:41
  you're
• 7:41
  in
• 7:41
  the
• 7:42
  stage
• 7:43
  before
• 7:43
  you
• 7:44
  actually
• 7:44
  publish
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  book,
• 7:46
  it
• 7:46
  feels.
• 7:46
  Feels
• 7:47
  like
• 7:47
  an
• 7:47
  impossible
• 7:48
  task.
• 7:49
  It
• 7:49
  feels
• 7:49
  like
• 7:50
  something
• 7:50
  other
• 7:51
  people
• 7:51
  do.
• 7:52
  It's
• 7:52
  not
• 7:53
  like
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  was
• 7:54
  like,
• 7:54
  grappling
• 7:55
  with
• 7:55
  it
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  hard
• 7:55
  on
• 7:56
  myself.
• 7:56
  It
• 7:56
  was
• 7:56
  very
• 7:56
  matter
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  fact,
• 7:57
  like,
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  don't
• 7:58
  know
• 7:58
  how
• 7:58
  to
• 7:59
  publish
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  book.
• 7:59
  I'm
• 8:00
  like,
• 8:00
  maybe
• 8:00
  one
• 8:00
  day
• 8:01
  I'll
• 8:01
  think
• 8:01
  about
• 8:01
  it.
• 8:02
  Absolutely.
• 8:02
  With
• 8:03
  all
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  guests
• 8:03
  I've
• 8:03
  had
• 8:03
  on
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  show,
• 8:05
  there's
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  lot
• 8:05
  of
• 8:06
  guests,
• 8:06
  including
• 8:07
  myself,
• 8:08
  that
• 8:08
  if
• 8:09
  it
• 8:09
  wasn't
• 8:09
  for
• 8:09
  Covid,
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  think
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  positive
• 8:12
  thing
• 8:12
  about
• 8:12
  COVID
• 8:13
  it
• 8:13
  brought
• 8:14
  a
• 8:14
  lot
• 8:14
  of
• 8:15
  great
• 8:16
  children
• 8:16
  and
• 8:17
  any
• 8:18
  type
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  author
• 8:19
  into
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  marketplace
• 8:21
  because
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  ended
• 8:21
  up
• 8:22
  writing
• 8:22
  two
• 8:23
  now
• 8:23
  not
• 8:23
  two
• 8:24
  children's
• 8:24
  books.
• 8:24
  I
• 8:25
  actually
• 8:26
  wrote
• 8:26
  two
• 8:27
  investment
• 8:27
  real
• 8:28
  estate
• 8:28
  books
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  learned
• 8:29
  how
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  actually
• 8:30
  publish
• 8:31
  from
• 8:31
  there.
• 8:32
  And
• 8:32
  that
• 8:32
  really
• 8:33
  then
• 8:33
  led
• 8:33
  me
• 8:34
  on
• 8:34
  my
• 8:34
  journey
• 8:35
  to
• 8:35
  become
• 8:35
  a
• 8:36
  published
• 8:36
  children's
• 8:36
  book
• 8:37
  author
• 8:37
  with
• 8:37
  my
• 8:38
  grandchildren.
• 8:38
  So
• 8:39
  it's
• 8:39
  funny,
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  positive
• 8:41
  effect
• 8:41
  that
• 8:42
  Covid
• 8:42
  had
• 8:42
  on
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  lot
• 8:43
  of
• 8:44
  aspiring
• 8:45
  authors.
• 8:46
  Yes,
• 8:46
  definitely.
• 8:48
  One
• 8:48
  thing
• 8:48
  I've
• 8:49
  noticed,
• 8:49
  I
• 8:50
  feel
• 8:50
  like
• 8:50
  it
• 8:51
  forced
• 8:51
  a
• 8:52
  lot
• 8:52
  of
• 8:52
  people
• 8:52
  to
• 8:53
  reevaluate,
• 8:55
  like
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  status
• 8:56
  quo
• 8:56
  of
• 8:57
  how
• 8:58
  because
• 8:58
  it
• 8:59
  just
• 8:59
  interrupted
• 9:00
  everything
• 9:00
  and
• 9:01
  nothing
• 9:01
  was
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  same
• 9:02
  as
• 9:02
  before,
• 9:04
  but
• 9:04
  just
• 9:04
  forced
• 9:05
  this
• 9:06
  mentality
• 9:07
  shift.
• 9:08
  Even
• 9:08
  if
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  didn't
• 9:09
  want
• 9:09
  it,
• 9:09
  it
• 9:09
  forced
• 9:10
  through
• 9:10
  you
• 9:11
  into
• 9:11
  this
• 9:12
  new
• 9:12
  mindset
• 9:13
  and
• 9:13
  so
• 9:13
  a
• 9:14
  lot
• 9:14
  of
• 9:14
  new
• 9:15
  ideas.
• 9:15
  Yeah.
• 9:16
  It
• 9:16
  was
• 9:16
  like
• 9:16
  having
• 9:16
  therapy
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  didn't
• 9:18
  have
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  pay
• 9:18
  for
• 9:18
  it.
• 9:19
  Exactly.
• 9:20
  It
• 9:21
  didn't
• 9:21
  really
• 9:21
  feel
• 9:22
  like
• 9:22
  it
• 9:22
  at
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  time.
• 9:23
  No,
• 9:23
  absolutely
• 9:24
  not.
• 9:24
  In
• 9:25
  retrospect,
• 9:26
  I
• 9:26
  want
• 9:27
  to
• 9:27
  just
• 9:27
  take
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  back
• 9:28
  just
• 9:28
  a
• 9:28
  little
• 9:28
  bit
• 9:28
  because
• 9:29
  you
• 9:29
  mentioned
• 9:30
  your
• 9:30
  son
• 9:31
  was
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  motivation
• 9:32
  that
• 9:33
  kick
• 9:33
  started
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  finally
• 9:35
  get
• 9:35
  your
• 9:35
  butt
• 9:36
  in
• 9:36
  gear
• 9:36
  and
• 9:37
  create
• 9:37
  this
• 9:37
  children's
• 9:38
  book.
• 9:38
  What
• 9:38
  was
• 9:38
  it
• 9:39
  about
• 9:39
  that
• 9:39
  moment
• 9:40
  with
• 9:40
  your
• 9:40
  son
• 9:41
  that
• 9:42
  triggered
• 9:42
  this
• 9:43
  whole
• 9:43
  experience?
• 9:44
  Yeah.
• 9:45
  So
• 9:45
  I'll
• 9:45
  tell
• 9:45
  the
• 9:46
  story.
• 9:46
  It
• 9:47
  started
• 9:48
  because
• 9:49
  my
• 9:49
  son
• 9:50
  at
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  time,
• 9:50
  I
• 9:51
  think
• 9:51
  he
• 9:51
  was
• 9:51
  probably
• 9:52
  around
• 9:52
  18
• 9:52
  months
• 9:53
  or
• 9:53
  two
• 9:53
  around
• 9:54
  that
• 9:54
  age.
• 9:54
  And
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  remember
• 9:56
  that
• 9:56
  he
• 9:57
  was
• 9:57
  really
• 9:57
  struggling
• 9:58
  with
• 9:58
  transitions
• 9:59
  at
• 9:59
  that
• 9:59
  age,
• 10:00
  especially
• 10:01
  transitioning
• 10:02
  from
• 10:02
  playtime
• 10:03
  to
• 10:03
  bedtime
• 10:04
  or
• 10:04
  playtime
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  nap
• 10:05
  time.
• 10:06
  And
• 10:06
  it
• 10:06
  was
• 10:06
  just
• 10:07
  a
• 10:07
  battle.
• 10:08
  Like,
• 10:08
  it
• 10:08
  was
• 10:08
  just
• 10:09
  really
• 10:09
  hard.
• 10:09
  And
• 10:09
  I
• 10:10
  was
• 10:10
  trying
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  figure
• 10:11
  out
• 10:11
  how
• 10:12
  to
• 10:12
  make
• 10:12
  that
• 10:13
  transition
• 10:14
  smoother
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  easier
• 10:16
  because
• 10:16
  being
• 10:17
  like,
• 10:17
  okay,
• 10:17
  stop
• 10:17
  playing.
• 10:18
  We're
• 10:18
  like
• 10:18
  Gonna
• 10:19
  go
• 10:19
  to
• 10:19
  sleep
• 10:19
  now.
• 10:20
  Like,
• 10:20
  naturally.
• 10:21
  Kids
• 10:21
  don't
• 10:21
  really
• 10:22
  want
• 10:22
  to
• 10:22
  do
• 10:22
  that.
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  was
• 10:23
  trying
• 10:23
  different
• 10:24
  things.
• 10:24
  I
• 10:24
  don't
• 10:24
  even
• 10:24
  remember
• 10:25
  what
• 10:25
  they
• 10:25
  were
• 10:25
  at
• 10:25
  the
• 10:26
  time.
• 10:26
  But
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  remember
• 10:27
  one
• 10:27
  day
• 10:28
  we
• 10:28
  were
• 10:29
  at.
• 10:29
  Actually,
• 10:30
  it
• 10:30
  was
• 10:30
  at
• 10:30
  home.
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  noticed
• 10:32
  that
• 10:32
  he
• 10:33
  went
• 10:33
  into
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  downward
• 10:34
  dog
• 10:35
  yoga
• 10:35
  position.
• 10:36
  And
• 10:36
  I
• 10:37
  had
• 10:37
  never
• 10:37
  taught
• 10:38
  him
• 10:38
  yog.
• 10:39
  We'd
• 10:39
  never
• 10:40
  done
• 10:40
  yoga.
• 10:41
  He
• 10:41
  just
• 10:41
  went
• 10:42
  into
• 10:42
  that
• 10:42
  pose,
• 10:43
  and
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  was,
• 10:43
  like,
• 10:44
  thinking,
• 10:44
  that's
• 10:44
  so
• 10:45
  interesting
• 10:45
  that
• 10:46
  kids.
• 10:47
  Or
• 10:47
  that
• 10:47
  he
• 10:47
  just
• 10:48
  naturally
• 10:48
  wanted
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  be
• 10:49
  in
• 10:49
  that
• 10:50
  position.
• 10:50
  So
• 10:50
  that
• 10:51
  was,
• 10:51
  like,
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  first
• 10:51
  thing
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  noticed.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:53
  then
• 10:53
  I
• 10:53
  realized
• 10:55
  at
• 10:55
  playgroup
• 10:56
  another
• 10:56
  time
• 10:57
  that
• 10:58
  there
• 10:58
  was
• 10:58
  another
• 10:59
  kid
• 10:59
  who
• 11:00
  went
• 11:00
  into
• 11:01
  a
• 11:01
  downward
• 11:01
  dog
• 11:02
  pose,
• 11:02
  like,
• 11:02
  with
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  butt
• 11:03
  in
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  air.
• 11:04
  I
• 11:04
  was
• 11:04
  like,
• 11:04
  there's
• 11:04
  something
• 11:05
  about
• 11:05
  this
• 11:06
  yoga
• 11:07
  pose
• 11:07
  that
• 11:08
  kids
• 11:08
  like.
• 11:09
  And
• 11:10
  so
• 11:10
  that
• 11:10
  inspired
• 11:11
  me
• 11:12
  to
• 11:13
  start
• 11:13
  introducing
• 11:14
  a
• 11:15
  little
• 11:15
  bit
• 11:15
  of
• 11:15
  yoga
• 11:16
  and
• 11:16
  meditation
• 11:17
  during
• 11:17
  transition
• 11:18
  times,
• 11:19
  because
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  had
• 11:20
  this
• 11:20
  idea
• 11:20
  that,
• 11:21
  okay,
• 11:21
  we
• 11:21
  can
• 11:22
  still
• 11:22
  do
• 11:22
  movement,
• 11:23
  and
• 11:24
  he's
• 11:24
  still
• 11:25
  letting
• 11:25
  out
• 11:26
  some
• 11:26
  energy,
• 11:26
  but
• 11:26
  it's
• 11:27
  more
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  calm
• 11:28
  movement
• 11:29
  and
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  calmer
• 11:30
  way.
• 11:30
  So
• 11:31
  I
• 11:31
  started
• 11:31
  doing
• 11:32
  yoga
• 11:32
  poses,
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  he
• 11:33
  was
• 11:33
  very
• 11:34
  excited
• 11:34
  about
• 11:35
  that.
• 11:36
  And
• 11:36
  then
• 11:36
  I
• 11:37
  introduced
• 11:37
  a
• 11:38
  routine
• 11:38
  where
• 11:39
  we
• 11:39
  would
• 11:39
  sit
• 11:40
  on
• 11:41
  my
• 11:41
  bed
• 11:41
  together,
• 11:42
  and
• 11:43
  we
• 11:43
  would
• 11:43
  do
• 11:44
  some
• 11:44
  vibration
• 11:45
  sounds.
• 11:45
  Like
• 11:45
  we'd
• 11:45
  go.
• 11:46
  Because
• 11:46
  it's,
• 11:46
  like,
• 11:46
  sensory
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  very
• 11:48
  comforting,
• 11:49
  and
• 11:49
  he
• 11:50
  just
• 11:50
  thought
• 11:50
  it
• 11:50
  was
• 11:50
  funny.
• 11:51
  So
• 11:51
  making
• 11:52
  things
• 11:52
  fun
• 11:53
  was
• 11:53
  key,
• 11:54
  and
• 11:55
  it
• 11:56
  was
• 11:56
  successful.
• 11:57
  So
• 11:57
  that
• 11:57
  became
• 11:57
  a
• 11:58
  thing.
• 11:58
  We
• 11:58
  would
• 11:58
  always
• 11:58
  go.
• 11:59
  And
• 11:59
  then
• 11:59
  at
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  end,
• 12:00
  I'd
• 12:00
  go,
• 12:01
  okay,
• 12:01
  let's
• 12:01
  say
• 12:02
  namaste.
• 12:03
  So
• 12:03
  we'd
• 12:03
  go
• 12:03
  like
• 12:03
  this
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  go,
• 12:04
  namaste.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  we
• 12:06
  did
• 12:07
  it
• 12:07
  every
• 12:07
  day,
• 12:07
  every
• 12:07
  single
• 12:08
  night.
• 12:08
  And
• 12:09
  so
• 12:09
  what
• 12:10
  inspired
• 12:10
  me
• 12:11
  was
• 12:12
  one
• 12:12
  day
• 12:13
  we
• 12:13
  were
• 12:13
  on
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  bed,
• 12:14
  we
• 12:14
  did
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  yoga,
• 12:15
  we
• 12:15
  did
• 12:16
  the
• 12:16
  om,
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  we
• 12:18
  were.
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  was
• 12:19
  like,
• 12:19
  okay,
• 12:19
  let's
• 12:19
  do
• 12:19
  Namaste.
• 12:20
  So
• 12:20
  we
• 12:20
  went
• 12:21
  like
• 12:21
  this,
• 12:21
  and
• 12:21
  my
• 12:22
  son
• 12:22
  stood
• 12:22
  up.
• 12:23
  He
• 12:23
  stood
• 12:23
  into
• 12:23
  my
• 12:24
  face,
• 12:24
  and
• 12:24
  he
• 12:24
  just
• 12:25
  yelled,
• 12:25
  namu.
• 12:27
  Because,
• 12:27
  like,
• 12:28
  kids
• 12:28
  love
• 12:28
  animal
• 12:29
  sounds.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:29
  I
• 12:30
  thought
• 12:30
  that
• 12:30
  was
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  funniest
• 12:32
  thing.
• 12:32
  Like,
• 12:32
  my
• 12:32
  husband
• 12:33
  was
• 12:33
  there.
• 12:33
  We
• 12:33
  were
• 12:33
  all
• 12:33
  laughing
• 12:34
  hysterically.
• 12:34
  Like,
• 12:35
  he
• 12:35
  was
• 12:35
  laughing
• 12:35
  hysterically.
• 12:37
  I
• 12:37
  was
• 12:37
  like,
• 12:38
  that
• 12:38
  would
• 12:38
  be
• 12:38
  an
• 12:39
  amazing
• 12:39
  children's
• 12:40
  book
• 12:40
  because
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  love
• 12:42
  reading.
• 12:42
  I'm
• 12:43
  a
• 12:43
  very
• 12:43
  avid
• 12:44
  reader,
• 12:44
  bookworm,
• 12:44
  always
• 12:45
  have
• 12:45
  been.
• 12:46
  My
• 12:46
  professional
• 12:47
  background
• 12:47
  is
• 12:48
  writing.
• 12:49
  For
• 12:49
  some
• 12:49
  reason,
• 12:49
  didn't
• 12:50
  cross
• 12:50
  my
• 12:50
  mind
• 12:50
  to
• 12:51
  write
• 12:51
  children's
• 12:51
  books,
• 12:52
  but
• 12:52
  I
• 12:52
  love
• 12:52
  children's
• 12:53
  books.
• 12:53
  Our
• 12:54
  house
• 12:54
  is
• 12:54
  stocked
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  brim
• 12:56
  with
• 12:56
  kids
• 12:56
  books,
• 12:57
  so
• 12:57
  that's
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  big
• 12:58
  part
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  our
• 12:58
  routine,
• 12:58
  too.
• 12:59
  We
• 12:59
  always
• 12:59
  read
• 12:59
  children's
• 13:00
  books.
• 13:00
  So
• 13:01
  terrific.
• 13:02
  So
• 13:02
  when
• 13:02
  you
• 13:02
  said
• 13:02
  that,
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  immediately
• 13:05
  had
• 13:05
  an
• 13:05
  idea.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:07
  literally,
• 13:08
  I
• 13:08
  was,
• 13:08
  like,
• 13:08
  asking
• 13:09
  my
• 13:09
  husband
• 13:09
  just
• 13:10
  Stay
• 13:10
  here.
• 13:11
  And
• 13:11
  I,
• 13:11
  like,
• 13:11
  ran
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  the
• 13:12
  other
• 13:12
  room
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  get
• 13:13
  my
• 13:13
  phone,
• 13:13
  and
• 13:13
  I
• 13:13
  typed
• 13:14
  up
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  first
• 13:14
  draft
• 13:15
  immediately.
• 13:15
  Oh,
• 13:15
  good
• 13:16
  for
• 13:16
  you.
• 13:16
  It's
• 13:16
  always
• 13:17
  interesting,
• 13:17
  and
• 13:18
  I
• 13:18
  love
• 13:18
  it
• 13:18
  because
• 13:19
  my
• 13:19
  background
• 13:20
  in
• 13:20
  children's
• 13:21
  book
• 13:21
  writing
• 13:22
  comes
• 13:22
  from
• 13:22
  my
• 13:23
  oldest
• 13:23
  granddaughter.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:25
  two
• 13:26
  shows
• 13:26
  ago,
• 13:26
  we
• 13:27
  aired
• 13:27
  an
• 13:28
  episode
• 13:28
  64,
• 13:30
  Allison
• 13:30
  and
• 13:30
  Shririe,
• 13:31
  and
• 13:31
  it's
• 13:31
  called
• 13:31
  Thatcher
• 13:32
  Hates
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  Bath.
• 13:34
  And
• 13:34
  it's
• 13:34
  about
• 13:34
  a
• 13:35
  young
• 13:35
  boy
• 13:35
  and
• 13:36
  his
• 13:36
  mother
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  trials
• 13:38
  and
• 13:38
  tribulations
• 13:39
  about
• 13:40
  a
• 13:40
  young
• 13:40
  child
• 13:41
  going
• 13:42
  into
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  bath
• 13:43
  and
• 13:43
  hating
• 13:43
  it.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:45
  she's
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  script
• 13:46
  writer
• 13:47
  for
• 13:47
  shows
• 13:48
  like
• 13:48
  Law
• 13:48
  and
• 13:48
  Order
• 13:49
  suv
• 13:50
  and
• 13:51
  so
• 13:51
  she
• 13:51
  has
• 13:52
  that
• 13:52
  kind
• 13:52
  of
• 13:53
  criminal
• 13:53
  background
• 13:54
  in
• 13:54
  terms
• 13:55
  of
• 13:55
  her
• 13:55
  writing
• 13:56
  approach.
• 13:56
  And
• 13:56
  she
• 13:57
  wrote
• 13:57
  a
• 13:57
  children's
• 13:57
  book.
• 13:58
  It's
• 13:58
  a
• 13:58
  fun
• 13:59
  read
• 13:59
  because
• 14:00
  she
• 14:00
  makes,
• 14:00
  like,
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  crime
• 14:01
  is
• 14:02
  broken
• 14:02
  out
• 14:02
  in
• 14:02
  the
• 14:03
  house
• 14:03
  when
• 14:03
  every
• 14:04
  time
• 14:04
  Thatcher
• 14:05
  has
• 14:05
  a
• 14:05
  bath.
• 14:06
  It's
• 14:06
  incredible.
• 14:07
  Children,
• 14:08
  how
• 14:08
  they
• 14:08
  trigger
• 14:09
  things
• 14:10
  for
• 14:10
  you.
• 14:11
  Yes.
• 14:11
  And
• 14:12
  I
• 14:12
  really
• 14:12
  think
• 14:13
  that
• 14:14
  there's
• 14:14
  a
• 14:15
  purity
• 14:16
  and
• 14:16
  just
• 14:17
  this,
• 14:17
  like,
• 14:18
  innocence
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  creativity
• 14:20
  in
• 14:21
  kids
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  if
• 14:22
  you
• 14:23
  really
• 14:23
  pay
• 14:23
  attention
• 14:23
  and
• 14:24
  listen,
• 14:24
  like,
• 14:25
  they
• 14:25
  really
• 14:25
  have
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  best
• 14:26
  ideas.
• 14:28
  It's
• 14:28
  absolutely
• 14:28
  amazing
• 14:29
  because
• 14:29
  my
• 14:30
  granddaughter
• 14:30
  and
• 14:30
  I
• 14:31
  spend
• 14:31
  a
• 14:31
  lot
• 14:32
  of
• 14:32
  time
• 14:32
  together.
• 14:32
  My
• 14:33
  oldest
• 14:33
  granddaughter,
• 14:33
  I
• 14:34
  have
• 14:34
  five
• 14:34
  grandkids,
• 14:35
  but
• 14:35
  my
• 14:35
  oldest
• 14:36
  granddaughter
• 14:36
  and
• 14:36
  I
• 14:36
  spent
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  lot
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  time
• 14:38
  in
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  Rocky
• 14:39
  Mountains
• 14:39
  because
• 14:39
  we
• 14:40
  live
• 14:40
  very
• 14:40
  close
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  Rocky
• 14:41
  Mountains.
• 14:41
  And
• 14:42
  so
• 14:42
  we
• 14:42
  learned
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  ski
• 14:43
  together
• 14:44
  and
• 14:44
  snowshoe
• 14:45
  and
• 14:46
  horseback
• 14:46
  ride
• 14:47
  in
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  winter
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  stuff
• 14:48
  like
• 14:48
  that.
• 14:49
  And
• 14:49
  the
• 14:50
  nice
• 14:50
  thing
• 14:50
  about
• 14:50
  it
• 14:51
  is
• 14:51
  I
• 14:51
  call
• 14:52
  her
• 14:52
  our
• 14:53
  first
• 14:53
  digital
• 14:53
  baby
• 14:54
  because
• 14:55
  there's
• 14:55
  no
• 14:55
  film.
• 14:56
  When
• 14:57
  she
• 14:57
  was
• 14:57
  born,
• 14:57
  the
• 14:58
  only
• 14:58
  thing
• 14:58
  you
• 14:58
  had,
• 14:59
  and
• 14:59
  it's
• 15:00
  gotten
• 15:00
  even
• 15:00
  more
• 15:00
  sophisticated,
• 15:01
  is
• 15:01
  your
• 15:01
  iPhone
• 15:02
  or
• 15:02
  your
• 15:02
  smartphone.
• 15:03
  Every
• 15:04
  time
• 15:04
  her
• 15:04
  and
• 15:04
  I
• 15:04
  would
• 15:05
  go
• 15:05
  out
• 15:05
  and
• 15:05
  do
• 15:05
  something,
• 15:06
  I
• 15:06
  would
• 15:06
  take
• 15:06
  four
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  eight
• 15:07
  pictures,
• 15:08
  but
• 15:09
  they
• 15:09
  would
• 15:09
  just
• 15:09
  sit
• 15:09
  there
• 15:10
  on
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  phone.
• 15:10
  And
• 15:10
  eventually
• 15:11
  I
• 15:12
  took
• 15:12
  her
• 15:12
  to
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  local
• 15:13
  coffee
• 15:13
  shop,
• 15:14
  and
• 15:14
  she
• 15:14
  said,
• 15:14
  papa,
• 15:15
  I
• 15:15
  know
• 15:15
  we
• 15:15
  were
• 15:16
  looking
• 15:16
  at
• 15:16
  these
• 15:16
  pictures,
• 15:17
  but
• 15:17
  we
• 15:17
  never
• 15:17
  do
• 15:17
  anything
• 15:18
  with
• 15:18
  them.
• 15:18
  Can
• 15:19
  we
• 15:19
  write
• 15:19
  a
• 15:19
  story?
• 15:20
  And
• 15:20
  I
• 15:20
  said,
• 15:20
  oh,
• 15:21
  what
• 15:21
  kind
• 15:21
  of
• 15:21
  story?
• 15:22
  And
• 15:22
  before
• 15:22
  you
• 15:23
  know
• 15:23
  it,
• 15:23
  we
• 15:23
  were.
• 15:24
  We
• 15:24
  wrote
• 15:24
  our
• 15:24
  first
• 15:24
  book
• 15:25
  called
• 15:25
  the
• 15:26
  Adventures
• 15:26
  of
• 15:26
  Caboose
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  Rocky
• 15:27
  Mountain
• 15:28
  Bear.
• 15:29
  Oh,
• 15:29
  my
• 15:29
  goodness.
• 15:30
  So
• 15:30
  special
• 15:31
  that
• 15:31
  you
• 15:31
  did
• 15:31
  that
• 15:32
  together.
• 15:32
  Absolutely.
• 15:33
  And
• 15:33
  with
• 15:33
  my
• 15:34
  oldest
• 15:34
  granddaughter
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  my
• 15:35
  middle
• 15:35
  granddaughter,
• 15:36
  we
• 15:36
  wrote
• 15:36
  our
• 15:37
  second
• 15:37
  book
• 15:37
  called
• 15:38
  Hijinks
• 15:38
  from
• 15:38
  the
• 15:39
  Big
• 15:39
  Head
• 15:39
  Folk
• 15:39
  Music
• 15:40
  Festival.
• 15:41
  To
• 15:41
  your
• 15:41
  point,
• 15:42
  it's
• 15:42
  that
• 15:43
  special
• 15:43
  contact
• 15:44
  with
• 15:44
  children
• 15:45
  that
• 15:45
  can
• 15:45
  have
• 15:45
  so
• 15:46
  much
• 15:46
  inspiration.
• 15:47
  And
• 15:47
  now,
• 15:48
  like,
• 15:48
  We've
• 15:48
  written
• 15:48
  over
• 15:49
  38
• 15:49
  stories
• 15:50
  with
• 15:50
  in
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  Adventures
• 15:51
  of
• 15:51
  Caboose,
• 15:51
  the
• 15:52
  Rocky
• 15:52
  Mountain
• 15:52
  Bear
• 15:53
  with
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  five
• 15:53
  grandchildren.
• 15:54
  My
• 15:55
  God,
• 15:55
  Yes.
• 15:55
  I
• 15:56
  could
• 15:56
  see
• 15:56
  your
• 15:56
  creative
• 15:57
  juices
• 15:57
  growing
• 15:58
  from
• 15:58
  your
• 15:59
  son
• 15:59
  and
• 15:59
  having
• 15:59
  Some
• 16:00
  fun
• 16:00
  with
• 16:00
  it.
• 16:01
  Yeah,
• 16:01
  definitely.
• 16:03
  And
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  know
• 16:03
  what,
• 16:04
  Marley?
• 16:04
  I
• 16:04
  always
• 16:05
  talk
• 16:05
  to
• 16:07
  my
• 16:07
  guests
• 16:08
  about
• 16:09
  their
• 16:09
  children's
• 16:10
  book
• 16:10
  business.
• 16:11
  Today's
• 16:11
  going
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  be
• 16:12
  a
• 16:13
  fun
• 16:13
  because
• 16:13
  we're
• 16:13
  going
• 16:14
  to
• 16:14
  briefly
• 16:14
  talk
• 16:14
  about
• 16:15
  where
• 16:15
  you've
• 16:15
  taken
• 16:16
  your
• 16:16
  children's
• 16:16
  book
• 16:16
  business
• 16:17
  business.
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  wanted
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  mention
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  the
• 16:19
  listening
• 16:19
  audience
• 16:20
  that
• 16:21
  we're
• 16:21
  going
• 16:21
  to
• 16:21
  be
• 16:22
  doing
• 16:22
  a
• 16:22
  separate
• 16:23
  episode
• 16:24
  with
• 16:24
  Marley.
• 16:25
  I
• 16:25
  want
• 16:25
  to
• 16:25
  let
• 16:25
  Marley
• 16:26
  jump
• 16:26
  in
• 16:26
  here
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  explain
• 16:27
  to
• 16:28
  us.
• 16:28
  Tell
• 16:29
  us
• 16:29
  about
• 16:29
  how
• 16:29
  you've
• 16:30
  built
• 16:30
  out
• 16:30
  your
• 16:31
  children's
• 16:31
  book
• 16:32
  business
• 16:32
  and
• 16:33
  how
• 16:33
  it
• 16:34
  took
• 16:34
  on
• 16:34
  this
• 16:34
  form.
• 16:34
  I
• 16:35
  don't
• 16:35
  want
• 16:35
  you
• 16:35
  to
• 16:35
  go
• 16:35
  too
• 16:35
  much
• 16:36
  into
• 16:36
  depth
• 16:36
  because
• 16:37
  we'll
• 16:37
  do
• 16:37
  that
• 16:37
  in
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  next
• 16:38
  episode.
• 16:38
  But
• 16:38
  if
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  can
• 16:39
  explain
• 16:39
  to
• 16:39
  us
• 16:40
  this
• 16:40
  whole
• 16:40
  journey
• 16:41
  of
• 16:41
  how
• 16:41
  you
• 16:41
  ended
• 16:42
  up
• 16:42
  with
• 16:42
  a
• 16:42
  publishing
• 16:43
  house.
• 16:44
  Yeah,
• 16:44
  for
• 16:45
  sure.
• 16:45
  So
• 16:45
  I'll
• 16:45
  save
• 16:46
  the
• 16:46
  publishing
• 16:47
  details
• 16:48
  for
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  next
• 16:48
  episode,
• 16:49
  but
• 16:49
  I'll
• 16:49
  tell
• 16:49
  you
• 16:50
  about
• 16:50
  how
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  got
• 16:50
  there.
• 16:51
  And
• 16:51
  it's
• 16:51
  really
• 16:52
  all
• 16:52
  because
• 16:52
  of
• 16:53
  my
• 16:53
  book.
• 16:53
  And
• 16:54
  just
• 16:54
  as
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  little
• 16:55
  context
• 16:56
  of
• 16:56
  the
• 16:57
  journey
• 16:57
  to
• 16:58
  creating
• 16:59
  my
• 16:59
  book
• 17:00
  reevaluated
• 17:01
  my
• 17:01
  career.
• 17:02
  I
• 17:02
  left
• 17:03
  a
• 17:03
  stable
• 17:03
  job
• 17:03
  and
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  went
• 17:04
  into
• 17:05
  freelance
• 17:06
  writing
• 17:07
  instead
• 17:07
  of
• 17:08
  my
• 17:08
  9
• 17:08
  to
• 17:08
  5
• 17:09
  editing
• 17:09
  job.
• 17:10
  And
• 17:11
  so
• 17:11
  I
• 17:12
  just
• 17:12
  wanted
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  have
• 17:12
  more
• 17:12
  work
• 17:13
  life,
• 17:13
  balance
• 17:14
  and
• 17:15
  focus
• 17:15
  on
• 17:16
  my
• 17:16
  family
• 17:17
  and
• 17:18
  have
• 17:18
  time
• 17:18
  to
• 17:18
  do
• 17:19
  things
• 17:19
  that
• 17:19
  brought
• 17:20
  me
• 17:20
  joy.
• 17:20
  And
• 17:20
  so
• 17:20
  that
• 17:21
  included
• 17:23
  self
• 17:23
  publishing,
• 17:24
  my
• 17:24
  first
• 17:24
  children's
• 17:25
  book.
• 17:25
  So
• 17:26
  I
• 17:26
  started
• 17:26
  my
• 17:26
  freelancing
• 17:27
  business
• 17:27
  and
• 17:28
  then
• 17:28
  worked
• 17:28
  on
• 17:28
  my
• 17:28
  children's
• 17:29
  book.
• 17:29
  Can
• 17:29
  I
• 17:29
  back
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  up
• 17:30
  just
• 17:30
  for
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  second?
• 17:31
  Sure.
• 17:31
  I
• 17:32
  want
• 17:32
  to
• 17:32
  make
• 17:32
  sure
• 17:32
  there's
• 17:33
  no
• 17:33
  confusion.
• 17:33
  When
• 17:34
  you
• 17:34
  say
• 17:34
  self
• 17:34
  published,
• 17:35
  do
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  mean
• 17:37
  independently
• 17:38
  published
• 17:38
  or
• 17:39
  did
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  hire
• 17:39
  someone
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  help
• 17:41
  you
• 17:41
  publish
• 17:41
  your
• 17:41
  book?
• 17:42
  I
• 17:43
  created
• 17:44
  a
• 17:44
  publishing
• 17:45
  house
• 17:46
  to
• 17:46
  publish
• 17:46
  my
• 17:47
  own
• 17:47
  book.
• 17:47
  Okay,
• 17:48
  your
• 17:48
  first
• 17:49
  book
• 17:49
  you
• 17:49
  independently
• 17:50
  published
• 17:52
  because
• 17:53
  you
• 17:53
  did
• 17:53
  all
• 17:53
  the
• 17:53
  work,
• 17:54
  you
• 17:54
  didn't
• 17:54
  hire
• 17:54
  anyone.
• 17:56
  Correct.
• 17:56
  Although
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  did
• 17:57
  hire
• 17:58
  an
• 17:58
  illustrator.
• 17:59
  I
• 18:00
  did
• 18:00
  all
• 18:00
  of
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  project
• 18:01
  managing
• 18:02
  and
• 18:02
  coordination
• 18:03
  from
• 18:04
  beginning
• 18:04
  to
• 18:04
  end.
• 18:05
  But
• 18:05
  I
• 18:06
  did
• 18:06
  hire
• 18:06
  experts
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  do
• 18:07
  the
• 18:08
  parts
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  couldn't
• 18:09
  do,
• 18:09
  such
• 18:09
  as
• 18:10
  illustration
• 18:11
  layout.
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  hired
• 18:12
  a
• 18:13
  Ryman
• 18:13
  Meter
• 18:14
  editor,
• 18:14
  which
• 18:15
  is
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  whole
• 18:15
  other
• 18:15
  story.
• 18:16
  But
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  learned
• 18:16
  a
• 18:16
  lot
• 18:17
  about
• 18:17
  Ryman
• 18:18
  Meter
• 18:18
  through
• 18:19
  working
• 18:19
  with
• 18:19
  her,
• 18:19
  and
• 18:20
  she
• 18:20
  was
• 18:20
  amazing.
• 18:21
  So
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  did
• 18:22
  work
• 18:22
  and
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  worked
• 18:23
  with
• 18:23
  a
• 18:23
  marketing
• 18:24
  expert.
• 18:25
  So
• 18:25
  I
• 18:25
  worked
• 18:26
  with
• 18:26
  a
• 18:26
  lot
• 18:26
  of
• 18:26
  different
• 18:27
  experts,
• 18:28
  which
• 18:28
  had
• 18:28
  a
• 18:29
  huge
• 18:29
  impact
• 18:30
  on
• 18:31
  my
• 18:31
  overall
• 18:32
  journey
• 18:32
  and
• 18:32
  learning
• 18:33
  about
• 18:33
  the
• 18:33
  publishing
• 18:34
  process
• 18:34
  because
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  taught
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  lot
• 18:36
  to
• 18:36
  myself.
• 18:37
  But
• 18:37
  I
• 18:37
  also
• 18:38
  learned
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  lot
• 18:39
  from
• 18:39
  other
• 18:40
  experts
• 18:40
  along.
• 18:41
  The
• 18:41
  reason
• 18:42
  I
• 18:42
  always
• 18:42
  distinguish
• 18:43
  both
• 18:44
  is
• 18:44
  because,
• 18:45
  first
• 18:45
  of
• 18:45
  all,
• 18:46
  I'm
• 18:46
  an
• 18:47
  independent
• 18:48
  book
• 18:49
  publisher.
• 18:49
  So
• 18:50
  we
• 18:50
  created
• 18:50
  our
• 18:50
  own
• 18:51
  publishing
• 18:51
  house,
• 18:52
  just
• 18:52
  like
• 18:52
  you.
• 18:53
  We
• 18:53
  call
• 18:53
  it
• 18:54
  Caboose
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  Rocky
• 18:55
  Mountain
• 18:55
  Bear
• 18:55
  Publishing
• 18:56
  Den.
• 18:57
  And
• 18:57
  that's
• 18:58
  the
• 18:58
  name
• 18:58
  of
• 18:58
  our
• 18:58
  publishing
• 18:59
  company.
• 19:00
  We've
• 19:00
  published
• 19:01
  two
• 19:01
  children's
• 19:02
  books.
• 19:02
  And
• 19:02
  then
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  course,
• 19:03
  when
• 19:03
  I
• 19:04
  first
• 19:04
  started
• 19:04
  out,
• 19:04
  I
• 19:05
  independently
• 19:05
  published
• 19:06
  two
• 19:07
  investment
• 19:08
  real
• 19:08
  estate
• 19:08
  books.
• 19:08
  But
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  reason
• 19:09
  I
• 19:09
  try
• 19:09
  and
• 19:10
  show
• 19:10
  people
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  difference
• 19:11
  is
• 19:12
  a
• 19:12
  lot
• 19:12
  of
• 19:12
  people
• 19:13
  think
• 19:13
  self
• 19:13
  publishing
• 19:14
  is
• 19:15
  or
• 19:15
  independent
• 19:16
  publishing
• 19:16
  are
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  same
• 19:17
  thing,
• 19:17
  and
• 19:18
  they're
• 19:18
  not.
• 19:18
  Self
• 19:19
  publishing
• 19:20
  tends
• 19:20
  to
• 19:20
  be
• 19:21
  where
• 19:21
  you
• 19:22
  go
• 19:22
  out
• 19:22
  and
• 19:22
  hire
• 19:23
  someone,
• 19:24
  as
• 19:24
  Marley's
• 19:24
  talked
• 19:25
  about,
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  be
• 19:25
  like
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  project
• 19:26
  manager,
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  general
• 19:27
  manager
• 19:29
  of
• 19:29
  your
• 19:29
  project.
• 19:30
  And
• 19:31
  so
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  just
• 19:31
  want
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  keep
• 19:32
  that
• 19:33
  separate
• 19:33
  so
• 19:34
  it
• 19:34
  doesn't
• 19:34
  confuse
• 19:35
  people
• 19:35
  too
• 19:35
  much.
• 19:36
  It's
• 19:36
  so
• 19:37
  interesting.
• 19:38
  Sorry
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  go
• 19:38
  on
• 19:38
  a
• 19:39
  tangent,
• 19:39
  but
• 19:40
  I
• 19:40
  find
• 19:40
  that
• 19:41
  in
• 19:41
  book
• 19:41
  publishing,
• 19:41
  it's
• 19:42
  so
• 19:42
  interesting
• 19:43
  because
• 19:43
  the
• 19:44
  definitions
• 19:45
  of
• 19:45
  the
• 19:45
  newer
• 19:46
  types
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  publishing
• 19:48
  are
• 19:48
  different
• 19:49
  according
• 19:49
  to
• 19:50
  different
• 19:50
  people.
• 19:52
  They're
• 19:52
  used
• 19:53
  differently.
• 19:53
  Like,
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  think
• 19:54
  of
• 19:55
  self
• 19:55
  publishing
• 19:55
  and
• 19:55
  independent
• 19:56
  publishing
• 19:56
  as
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  opposite
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  what
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  said,
• 19:58
  actually.
• 19:59
  Okay.
• 19:59
  It
• 19:59
  is
• 19:59
  interesting
• 20:00
  for
• 20:00
  me,
• 20:01
  I've
• 20:01
  been
• 20:01
  trying
• 20:01
  to,
• 20:02
  because
• 20:02
  I
• 20:03
  have
• 20:03
  so
• 20:03
  many
• 20:04
  children's
• 20:04
  book
• 20:05
  authors
• 20:05
  on
• 20:05
  our
• 20:06
  podcast
• 20:06
  show.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:08
  I
• 20:08
  find
• 20:08
  that
• 20:10
  independent
• 20:11
  to
• 20:11
  me
• 20:11
  is
• 20:11
  pretty
• 20:12
  clear
• 20:12
  because
• 20:12
  you've
• 20:13
  taken
• 20:13
  on
• 20:13
  all
• 20:14
  of
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  roles
• 20:15
  or
• 20:15
  you
• 20:15
  become
• 20:15
  the
• 20:15
  project
• 20:16
  manager,
• 20:17
  but
• 20:17
  you
• 20:17
  still
• 20:18
  are
• 20:18
  in
• 20:18
  complete
• 20:19
  control.
• 20:19
  Whereas
• 20:20
  with
• 20:20
  self
• 20:20
  publishing
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  with
• 20:22
  self
• 20:22
  publishing,
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  just
• 20:23
  find
• 20:23
  that
• 20:24
  people
• 20:24
  call
• 20:24
  it
• 20:25
  hybrid
• 20:26
  self
• 20:26
  publishing.
• 20:27
  Some
• 20:27
  people
• 20:27
  get
• 20:28
  upset
• 20:28
  because
• 20:29
  hybrids
• 20:29
  sounds
• 20:30
  so
• 20:30
  negative
• 20:30
  and
• 20:31
  all
• 20:32
  that.
• 20:32
  I've
• 20:32
  just
• 20:32
  tried
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  keep
• 20:33
  it
• 20:34
  as
• 20:35
  positive
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  I
• 20:36
  can
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  terms
• 20:37
  of
• 20:37
  the
• 20:37
  terminal.
• 20:38
  And
• 20:38
  like
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  said,
• 20:39
  it's
• 20:39
  difficult
• 20:40
  because.
• 20:41
  It'S
• 20:42
  so
• 20:42
  funny
• 20:42
  because
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  like
• 20:44
  when
• 20:45
  I
• 20:45
  explain
• 20:46
  the
• 20:46
  different
• 20:46
  publishing
• 20:47
  models,
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  explain
• 20:49
  it
• 20:49
  a
• 20:49
  little
• 20:49
  bit
• 20:49
  differently.
• 20:50
  So
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  find
• 20:51
  it
• 20:51
  interesting.
• 20:51
  It's
• 20:52
  good
• 20:52
  that
• 20:52
  you
• 20:52
  explained
• 20:53
  it
• 20:53
  because
• 20:53
  it's
• 20:53
  consistent
• 20:54
  on
• 20:54
  your.
• 20:55
  Yes.
• 20:55
  And
• 20:55
  you
• 20:56
  talk
• 20:56
  to
• 20:56
  everyone.
• 20:56
  So
• 20:57
  everyone
• 20:57
  knows
• 20:57
  what
• 20:57
  I'm
• 20:58
  referring
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  because
• 20:58
  I
• 20:59
  might
• 20:59
  use
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  different
• 21:00
  terminology.
• 21:01
  Absolutely.
• 21:02
  So
• 21:03
  thank
• 21:03
  you
• 21:03
  for
• 21:03
  that
• 21:04
  anyway.
• 21:04
  And
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  don't
• 21:05
  want
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  digress
• 21:06
  too
• 21:06
  much
• 21:06
  because
• 21:06
  we'll
• 21:06
  definitely
• 21:07
  get
• 21:07
  into
• 21:07
  it
• 21:07
  on
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  next
• 21:08
  podcast
• 21:09
  show.
• 21:09
  So.
• 21:10
  Oh,
• 21:10
  yes.
• 21:11
  How
• 21:12
  it
• 21:12
  led
• 21:12
  to
• 21:13
  creating
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  publishing
• 21:14
  house.
• 21:15
  And
• 21:15
  that's
• 21:15
  all
• 21:16
  about
• 21:16
  just
• 21:17
  so
• 21:17
  the.
• 21:17
  That
• 21:18
  everyone
• 21:18
  understands.
• 21:19
  And
• 21:19
  we'll
• 21:19
  talk
• 21:19
  about
• 21:19
  this
• 21:20
  more
• 21:20
  in
• 21:20
  the
• 21:20
  next
• 21:20
  episode.
• 21:21
  But
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  biggest
• 21:22
  thing
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  building
• 21:23
  out
• 21:23
  your
• 21:23
  children's
• 21:24
  book
• 21:24
  business.
• 21:24
  And
• 21:25
  we
• 21:25
  all
• 21:25
  approach
• 21:25
  it
• 21:26
  differently.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:27
  that's
• 21:27
  what
• 21:27
  I'm
• 21:27
  trying
• 21:27
  to
• 21:27
  get
• 21:28
  to
• 21:28
  the
• 21:28
  meat
• 21:28
  and
• 21:28
  potatoes
• 21:29
  of
• 21:29
  this
• 21:29
  is
• 21:30
  how
• 21:30
  did
• 21:30
  you
• 21:30
  use
• 21:31
  your
• 21:31
  children's
• 21:32
  book
• 21:32
  to
• 21:33
  build
• 21:33
  out
• 21:33
  your
• 21:33
  children's
• 21:34
  book
• 21:34
  business?
• 21:35
  The
• 21:35
  process
• 21:36
  of
• 21:36
  creating
• 21:37
  my
• 21:37
  book,
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  did
• 21:38
  it
• 21:38
  over
• 21:38
  about
• 21:39
  two
• 21:39
  and
• 21:39
  a
• 21:40
  half
• 21:40
  years
• 21:40
  for
• 21:40
  my
• 21:40
  first
• 21:41
  book,
• 21:41
  because
• 21:42
  even
• 21:42
  before
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  started,
• 21:44
  I'm
• 21:44
  very
• 21:44
  much
• 21:45
  like
• 21:45
  an
• 21:45
  all
• 21:45
  or
• 21:45
  Nothing
• 21:46
  type
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  personality
• 21:48
  and
• 21:48
  how
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  approach
• 21:49
  things.
• 21:50
  And
• 21:50
  so
• 21:50
  I
• 21:50
  decided
• 21:51
  if
• 21:51
  I'm
• 21:51
  doing
• 21:51
  this,
• 21:52
  I'm
• 21:52
  going
• 21:52
  to
• 21:52
  do
• 21:52
  it
• 21:53
  right.
• 21:53
  Like
• 21:53
  I'm
• 21:53
  going
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  be
• 21:55
  meticulous
• 21:55
  and
• 21:56
  make
• 21:56
  sure
• 21:56
  it's
• 21:56
  very
• 21:56
  high
• 21:57
  quality.
• 21:58
  And
• 21:59
  just
• 22:00
  because
• 22:00
  I
• 22:00
  was
• 22:00
  also
• 22:00
  working
• 22:01
  at
• 22:01
  the
• 22:01
  time,
• 22:02
  it
• 22:02
  took
• 22:03
  a
• 22:03
  bit
• 22:03
  of
• 22:04
  time
• 22:04
  to
• 22:04
  get
• 22:04
  it
• 22:04
  out.
• 22:05
  And
• 22:05
  a
• 22:06
  part
• 22:06
  of
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  planning
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  process
• 22:08
  was
• 22:09
  thinking
• 22:09
  about
• 22:09
  marketing.
• 22:10
  So
• 22:10
  even
• 22:11
  before
• 22:12
  my
• 22:12
  book
• 22:12
  was
• 22:13
  out,
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  already
• 22:15
  was
• 22:15
  planning
• 22:16
  on
• 22:16
  how
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  going
• 22:17
  to
• 22:17
  get
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  book
• 22:18
  out
• 22:18
  into
• 22:18
  the
• 22:19
  world
• 22:19
  and
• 22:19
  what
• 22:19
  my
• 22:19
  plan
• 22:20
  was
• 22:20
  going
• 22:20
  to
• 22:20
  be.
• 22:21
  So
• 22:21
  that
• 22:21
  involved
• 22:23
  promoting
• 22:23
  it
• 22:23
  on
• 22:23
  social
• 22:24
  media
• 22:24
  and
• 22:24
  documenting
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  process
• 22:26
  over
• 22:27
  two
• 22:27
  years.
• 22:28
  So
• 22:29
  people,
• 22:29
  not
• 22:30
  that
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  have
• 22:30
  a
• 22:30
  massive
• 22:31
  social
• 22:31
  media
• 22:32
  following,
• 22:32
  but
• 22:32
  the
• 22:33
  people
• 22:33
  who
• 22:33
  were
• 22:33
  invested
• 22:34
  were
• 22:35
  following
• 22:36
  from
• 22:36
  beginning
• 22:37
  to
• 22:37
  end.
• 22:37
  So
• 22:37
  that
• 22:38
  really
• 22:38
  helped
• 22:39
  to
• 22:39
  build
• 22:40
  excitement
• 22:40
  around
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  book.
• 22:41
  So
• 22:41
  by
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  time
• 22:42
  it
• 22:42
  came
• 22:42
  out,
• 22:43
  I
• 22:44
  already
• 22:44
  had
• 22:44
  quite
• 22:45
  a
• 22:45
  few
• 22:45
  people
• 22:45
  who
• 22:45
  were
• 22:46
  very
• 22:46
  excited
• 22:46
  and
• 22:47
  interested
• 22:47
  in
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  book.
• 22:48
  So.
• 22:48
  So
• 22:49
  thinking
• 22:49
  ahead
• 22:50
  was
• 22:51
  very
• 22:51
  important
• 22:52
  part
• 22:52
  of
• 22:53
  growing
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  business
• 22:54
  of
• 22:55
  selling
• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
  book.
• 22:56
  Another
• 22:57
  thing
• 22:57
  that
• 22:57
  I
• 22:58
  had
• 22:58
  thought
• 22:58
  about
• 22:59
  was
• 22:59
  what
• 22:59
  am
• 23:00
  I
• 23:00
  going
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  do
• 23:00
  with
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  book
• 23:00
  when
• 23:01
  I
• 23:01
  have
• 23:01
  it
• 23:02
  and
• 23:02
  how
• 23:02
  am
• 23:02
  I
• 23:02
  going
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  get
• 23:03
  it
• 23:03
  out
• 23:03
  there?
• 23:03
  Because
• 23:05
  I
• 23:05
  know
• 23:06
  that
• 23:06
  I
• 23:06
  could
• 23:06
  create
• 23:07
  what
• 23:08
  I
• 23:08
  think
• 23:08
  is
• 23:08
  an
• 23:08
  incredible
• 23:09
  book
• 23:10
  and
• 23:10
  unless
• 23:11
  I
• 23:11
  promote
• 23:12
  it,
• 23:12
  no
• 23:13
  one
• 23:13
  will
• 23:13
  know
• 23:14
  about
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  book
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  no
• 23:15
  one
• 23:15
  will
• 23:16
  find
• 23:16
  it.
• 23:16
  And
• 23:17
  so
• 23:17
  I
• 23:17
  think
• 23:17
  maybe
• 23:17
  I
• 23:18
  had
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  bit
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  leg
• 23:19
  up
• 23:19
  coming
• 23:20
  from
• 23:20
  media
• 23:21
  and
• 23:22
  having
• 23:22
  worked
• 23:23
  in
• 23:23
  media.
• 23:23
  So
• 23:23
  I
• 23:24
  understand
• 23:24
  and
• 23:24
  I've
• 23:25
  worked
• 23:25
  with
• 23:26
  PR
• 23:26
  and
• 23:27
  publicists
• 23:27
  and
• 23:28
  I've
• 23:28
  been
• 23:28
  on
• 23:29
  the
• 23:29
  editorial
• 23:30
  side
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  things.
• 23:31
  So
• 23:31
  I
• 23:31
  knew
• 23:32
  from
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  get
• 23:32
  go
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  I
• 23:33
  needed
• 23:34
  to
• 23:34
  think
• 23:34
  about
• 23:34
  those
• 23:34
  things.
• 23:35
  So
• 23:36
  once
• 23:36
  my
• 23:37
  book
• 23:37
  was
• 23:38
  ready,
• 23:39
  I
• 23:39
  had
• 23:39
  already
• 23:40
  set
• 23:41
  things
• 23:41
  up
• 23:41
  and
• 23:42
  had
• 23:42
  been
• 23:42
  planning
• 23:43
  my
• 23:43
  book
• 23:43
  launch
• 23:44
  for
• 23:44
  months
• 23:44
  before
• 23:45
  my
• 23:45
  book
• 23:45
  was
• 23:46
  ready.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  had
• 23:47
  a
• 23:47
  big
• 23:47
  book
• 23:48
  launch.
• 23:48
  Actually
• 23:48
  I
• 23:49
  had
• 23:49
  two
• 23:49
  book
• 23:49
  launches.
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  did
• 23:50
  one
• 23:50
  that
• 23:50
  I
• 23:51
  planned
• 23:51
  myself
• 23:52
  and
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  don't
• 23:53
  think
• 23:53
  it's
• 23:54
  like
• 23:54
  needed
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  do
• 23:55
  a
• 23:55
  big
• 23:56
  book
• 23:56
  launch,
• 23:56
  but
• 23:56
  it's
• 23:57
  something
• 23:57
  I
• 23:57
  wanted
• 23:57
  to
• 23:58
  do
• 23:58
  because
• 23:58
  I
• 23:58
  was
• 23:59
  so
• 23:59
  proud
• 23:59
  of
• 23:59
  myself
• 24:00
  for
• 24:00
  putting
• 24:01
  in
• 24:01
  the
• 24:01
  work
• 24:01
  and
• 24:02
  I
• 24:02
  wanted
• 24:02
  to
• 24:02
  celebrate
• 24:03
  it.
• 24:03
  And
• 24:04
  so
• 24:04
  I
• 24:04
  did
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  big
• 24:05
  party
• 24:05
  and
• 24:06
  it
• 24:06
  was
• 24:06
  all
• 24:06
  the
• 24:06
  kids
• 24:07
  and
• 24:07
  families
• 24:08
  that
• 24:08
  I
• 24:08
  know
• 24:08
  who
• 24:09
  came
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  support.
• 24:10
  It
• 24:10
  was
• 24:10
  super
• 24:10
  fun
• 24:11
  and
• 24:11
  we
• 24:12
  had
• 24:12
  yoga
• 24:13
  and
• 24:14
  food
• 24:14
  and
• 24:15
  activities.
• 24:16
  And
• 24:16
  then
• 24:16
  I
• 24:17
  did
• 24:17
  a
• 24:17
  book
• 24:17
  launch
• 24:18
  at
• 24:18
  a
• 24:18
  bookstore,
• 24:19
  like
• 24:19
  a
• 24:19
  local
• 24:19
  bookstore,
• 24:20
  children's
• 24:21
  book
• 24:21
  in
• 24:22
  Montreal
• 24:22
  called
• 24:23
  Babar
• 24:23
  Books,
• 24:24
  which
• 24:24
  is
• 24:24
  an
• 24:24
  amazing
• 24:24
  bookstore
• 24:25
  if
• 24:25
  anyone
• 24:25
  comes
• 24:26
  to
• 24:26
  Montreal,
• 24:27
  and
• 24:27
  they
• 24:27
  really
• 24:28
  support
• 24:28
  local
• 24:28
  authors.
• 24:29
  So
• 24:30
  part
• 24:30
  of
• 24:32
  creating
• 24:32
  a
• 24:33
  business
• 24:33
  for
• 24:34
  selling
• 24:34
  my
• 24:35
  books
• 24:35
  was
• 24:36
  planning
• 24:36
  a
• 24:37
  bunch
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  events,
• 24:38
  doing
• 24:39
  research
• 24:39
  to
• 24:40
  see
• 24:41
  what
• 24:41
  events
• 24:41
  were
• 24:42
  coming
• 24:42
  up
• 24:42
  that
• 24:42
  I
• 24:42
  would
• 24:43
  want
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  do
• 24:43
  and
• 24:43
  try
• 24:44
  out.
• 24:44
  And
• 24:44
  it
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  a
• 24:44
  lot
• 24:44
  of
• 24:45
  trial
• 24:45
  and
• 24:45
  error
• 24:45
  in
• 24:46
  the
• 24:46
  first
• 24:46
  year
• 24:46
  to
• 24:47
  see
• 24:47
  what
• 24:48
  I
• 24:48
  liked
• 24:48
  doing
• 24:49
  and
• 24:49
  what
• 24:49
  worked.
• 24:50
  I
• 24:50
  realized
• 24:51
  that
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  loved
• 24:52
  going
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  schools
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  reading
• 24:54
  to
• 24:54
  kids.
• 24:55
  So
• 24:55
  I
• 24:55
  did
• 24:55
  that
• 24:56
  a
• 24:56
  lot.
• 24:56
  And
• 24:57
  I
• 24:57
  had
• 24:57
  a
• 24:58
  bunch
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  schools
• 24:59
  that
• 24:59
  purchased
• 24:59
  books,
• 25:00
  and
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  had
• 25:01
  one
• 25:01
  school
• 25:02
  that
• 25:02
  did
• 25:02
  a
• 25:02
  bulk
• 25:03
  order
• 25:03
  and
• 25:04
  gave
• 25:05
  one
• 25:05
  book
• 25:05
  to
• 25:06
  each
• 25:06
  incoming
• 25:07
  kindergarten
• 25:07
  student,
• 25:08
  which
• 25:08
  was,
• 25:08
  like,
• 25:09
  very
• 25:09
  exciting.
• 25:10
  That
• 25:11
  was,
• 25:11
  like,
• 25:11
  one
• 25:11
  of
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  most
• 25:12
  exciting
• 25:13
  things
• 25:14
  in
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  first
• 25:14
  year
• 25:15
  that
• 25:15
  happened.
• 25:16
  Like,
• 25:17
  it
• 25:17
  was
• 25:18
  like
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  very
• 25:19
  special
• 25:20
  thing.
• 25:20
  I
• 25:21
  couldn't
• 25:21
  believe
• 25:21
  it.
• 25:22
  Yeah.
• 25:22
  So
• 25:23
  visiting
• 25:23
  schools
• 25:24
  and
• 25:24
  seeing,
• 25:25
  like,
• 25:25
  reading.
• 25:26
  So
• 25:26
  it
• 25:26
  sounds
• 25:27
  like
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  did
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  lot
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  trial
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  error.
• 25:29
  I
• 25:29
  did.
• 25:30
  And
• 25:31
  then
• 25:31
  how
• 25:31
  did
• 25:32
  that
• 25:32
  lead
• 25:32
  you
• 25:33
  to.
• 25:33
  And
• 25:33
  we
• 25:34
  won't
• 25:34
  get
• 25:34
  into
• 25:34
  too
• 25:35
  much
• 25:35
  depth,
• 25:35
  but
• 25:35
  how
• 25:36
  did
• 25:36
  that
• 25:37
  lead
• 25:37
  you
• 25:38
  to
• 25:38
  this
• 25:38
  focus
• 25:39
  of
• 25:40
  building
• 25:40
  a
• 25:41
  business
• 25:41
  around
• 25:42
  a
• 25:43
  children's
• 25:43
  book
• 25:43
  publishing
• 25:44
  house
• 25:44
  around
• 25:45
  your
• 25:45
  first
• 25:46
  book?
• 25:46
  Like,
• 25:47
  how
• 25:47
  did
• 25:47
  that
• 25:47
  happen?
• 25:48
  Because
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  had
• 25:49
  put
• 25:50
  so
• 25:50
  much
• 25:51
  time
• 25:51
  and
• 25:51
  effort
• 25:52
  into
• 25:52
  promoting
• 25:53
  my
• 25:53
  book,
• 25:55
  my
• 25:55
  community
• 25:56
  and
• 25:57
  extended
• 25:58
  community
• 25:59
  became
• 25:59
  very
• 26:00
  familiar
• 26:00
  with
• 26:01
  my
• 26:01
  book
• 26:01
  and
• 26:02
  with
• 26:02
  me.
• 26:03
  And
• 26:04
  I
• 26:04
  was
• 26:05
  just
• 26:06
  present
• 26:07
  at
• 26:07
  a
• 26:07
  lot
• 26:07
  of
• 26:08
  craft
• 26:08
  fairs
• 26:08
  and
• 26:09
  events.
• 26:10
  The
• 26:10
  biggest
• 26:11
  thing
• 26:11
  that
• 26:11
  started
• 26:11
  happening
• 26:12
  was
• 26:13
  I
• 26:13
  noticed
• 26:13
  a
• 26:13
  pattern.
• 26:14
  Anytime
• 26:15
  I
• 26:15
  did
• 26:15
  any
• 26:16
  sort
• 26:16
  of
• 26:17
  craft
• 26:17
  fair,
• 26:18
  holiday
• 26:18
  fair,
• 26:19
  book
• 26:19
  fair,
• 26:19
  selling
• 26:20
  my
• 26:20
  book
• 26:22
  tons.
• 26:22
  Like,
• 26:23
  a
• 26:23
  significant
• 26:23
  amount
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  people
• 26:24
  would
• 26:25
  approach
• 26:25
  me
• 26:25
  at
• 26:26
  every
• 26:26
  single
• 26:26
  event
• 26:27
  and
• 26:28
  start
• 26:28
  talking
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  me
• 26:29
  and
• 26:29
  almost
• 26:30
  like,
• 26:30
  secretly
• 26:31
  reveal
• 26:32
  they
• 26:33
  wrote
• 26:33
  a
• 26:33
  children's
• 26:34
  book
• 26:34
  or
• 26:34
  they'd
• 26:34
  always
• 26:35
  wanted
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  publish
• 26:36
  a
• 26:36
  children's
• 26:36
  book,
• 26:37
  or
• 26:37
  they
• 26:37
  had
• 26:37
  an
• 26:37
  idea
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  they
• 26:38
  didn't
• 26:38
  know
• 26:39
  what
• 26:39
  to
• 26:39
  do.
• 26:39
  And
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  spent
• 26:40
  a
• 26:40
  lot
• 26:40
  of
• 26:41
  time
• 26:42
  talking
• 26:42
  to
• 26:42
  people
• 26:43
  about
• 26:43
  the
• 26:44
  process
• 26:44
  that
• 26:44
  I
• 26:45
  went
• 26:45
  through,
• 26:45
  answering
• 26:46
  questions.
• 26:47
  So
• 26:48
  a
• 26:48
  lot
• 26:48
  of
• 26:48
  free
• 26:48
  advice.
• 26:49
  Oh,
• 26:50
  yes,
• 26:50
  I
• 26:51
  was.
• 26:51
  And
• 26:51
  it
• 26:52
  was
• 26:52
  not
• 26:52
  on
• 26:52
  my
• 26:52
  radar.
• 26:53
  Published
• 26:53
  books
• 26:54
  for
• 26:54
  other
• 26:54
  people.
• 26:55
  Because
• 26:55
  my
• 26:55
  wife
• 26:56
  always
• 26:56
  says.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  reason
• 26:57
  I
• 26:57
  mentioned
• 26:58
  this
• 26:58
  is
• 26:58
  she
• 26:58
  always
• 26:59
  says,
• 26:59
  because
• 27:00
  it's
• 27:00
  now
• 27:00
  moose
• 27:01
  day.
• 27:02
  My
• 27:02
  wife
• 27:02
  always
• 27:02
  says,
• 27:03
  rick,
• 27:03
  not
• 27:04
  only
• 27:04
  do
• 27:04
  you
• 27:04
  give
• 27:04
  the
• 27:05
  milk
• 27:05
  away
• 27:05
  for
• 27:06
  free,
• 27:06
  you
• 27:06
  give
• 27:06
  the
• 27:07
  whole
• 27:07
  cow
• 27:08
  away
• 27:08
  for
• 27:08
  free.
• 27:09
  Yeah,
• 27:09
  exactly.
• 27:10
  You
• 27:10
  can't
• 27:11
  make
• 27:11
  a
• 27:11
  living
• 27:11
  giving
• 27:12
  your
• 27:13
  livelihood
• 27:13
  away.
• 27:14
  But
• 27:14
  I
• 27:15
  digress
• 27:15
  here
• 27:15
  a
• 27:15
  bit.
• 27:15
  But
• 27:16
  so
• 27:16
  obviously
• 27:17
  it
• 27:17
  sent
• 27:18
  you
• 27:18
  in
• 27:18
  the
• 27:18
  direction
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  you
• 27:20
  love
• 27:20
  that
• 27:20
  part
• 27:21
  of
• 27:21
  the
• 27:21
  book
• 27:22
  publishing
• 27:22
  business.
• 27:23
  You
• 27:24
  found
• 27:24
  that
• 27:24
  you
• 27:24
  were
• 27:25
  getting
• 27:25
  so
• 27:25
  many
• 27:26
  requests.
• 27:27
  So
• 27:27
  that's
• 27:28
  what
• 27:28
  sent
• 27:28
  you
• 27:28
  in
• 27:28
  this
• 27:28
  direction.
• 27:30
  Definitely.
• 27:30
  Yeah.
• 27:31
  It
• 27:31
  really
• 27:31
  happened
• 27:32
  organically.
• 27:32
  So
• 27:33
  it
• 27:33
  just
• 27:33
  started.
• 27:33
  I
• 27:34
  didn't
• 27:34
  even
• 27:34
  cross
• 27:35
  my
• 27:35
  mind
• 27:36
  that
• 27:36
  I
• 27:37
  could
• 27:37
  offer
• 27:38
  it
• 27:38
  as
• 27:38
  a
• 27:38
  service
• 27:39
  at
• 27:39
  first.
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  was
• 27:40
  just
• 27:40
  more
• 27:40
  than
• 27:40
  happy
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  help
• 27:41
  anybody,
• 27:42
  and
• 27:42
  I
• 27:42
  still
• 27:42
  am,
• 27:43
  to
• 27:43
  be
• 27:43
  honest.
• 27:43
  If
• 27:44
  anybody
• 27:44
  was
• 27:44
  curious
• 27:45
  and
• 27:45
  wants
• 27:46
  to
• 27:46
  do
• 27:46
  publishing
• 27:47
  on
• 27:47
  their
• 27:47
  own
• 27:48
  and
• 27:48
  not
• 27:48
  have
• 27:49
  assistance
• 27:49
  Like,
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  have
• 27:51
  created,
• 27:51
  like,
• 27:52
  PDFs
• 27:52
  and
• 27:53
  things
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  help
• 27:53
  people
• 27:53
  because
• 27:54
  I
• 27:54
  just
• 27:54
  think
• 27:54
  anybody
• 27:55
  who
• 27:55
  has
• 27:55
  an
• 27:56
  idea
• 27:56
  and
• 27:57
  is
• 27:57
  overwhelmed,
• 27:57
  like,
• 27:58
  they
• 27:58
  should
• 27:59
  feel
• 27:59
  that
• 27:59
  they
• 27:59
  can
• 28:00
  do
• 28:00
  it
• 28:00
  because
• 28:00
  anybody
• 28:01
  can
• 28:01
  do
• 28:01
  it.
• 28:02
  But
• 28:02
  then
• 28:03
  I
• 28:03
  realized
• 28:03
  I
• 28:04
  was
• 28:04
  constantly
• 28:04
  telling
• 28:05
  people
• 28:05
  and
• 28:05
  encouraging
• 28:06
  them,
• 28:06
  you
• 28:06
  can
• 28:06
  do
• 28:07
  this.
• 28:07
  If
• 28:07
  I
• 28:07
  thought
• 28:08
  it
• 28:08
  was
• 28:08
  a
• 28:08
  good
• 28:08
  idea,
• 28:08
  I'd
• 28:09
  say,
• 28:09
  this
• 28:09
  is
• 28:09
  a
• 28:09
  fantastic
• 28:10
  idea.
• 28:10
  These
• 28:11
  are
• 28:11
  the
• 28:11
  things
• 28:11
  you
• 28:11
  need
• 28:11
  to
• 28:11
  do.
• 28:12
  And
• 28:12
  eventually
• 28:13
  some
• 28:14
  people
• 28:14
  would
• 28:14
  say,
• 28:15
  can
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  publish
• 28:16
  it
• 28:16
  for
• 28:16
  me,
• 28:17
  I
• 28:17
  work
• 28:17
  full
• 28:17
  time
• 28:18
  doing
• 28:18
  this,
• 28:18
  or
• 28:19
  I'm
• 28:19
  really
• 28:19
  busy.
• 28:20
  I
• 28:20
  don't
• 28:20
  have
• 28:20
  time
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  just
• 28:21
  go
• 28:21
  through
• 28:22
  every
• 28:22
  single
• 28:23
  step
• 28:23
  on
• 28:23
  my
• 28:23
  own.
• 28:23
  I
• 28:24
  was
• 28:24
  like,
• 28:24
  oh,
• 28:25
  you
• 28:25
  want
• 28:25
  me?
• 28:26
  So
• 28:26
  with
• 28:27
  your
• 28:27
  book,
• 28:27
  I
• 28:28
  want
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  draw
• 28:28
  us
• 28:28
  back
• 28:28
  to
• 28:29
  focusing
• 28:29
  on
• 28:30
  Namu
• 28:30
  State
• 28:31
  is
• 28:32
  when
• 28:32
  you
• 28:33
  first
• 28:34
  brought
• 28:34
  your
• 28:34
  book
• 28:35
  to
• 28:35
  life
• 28:36
  and
• 28:36
  I
• 28:37
  looked
• 28:37
  at
• 28:37
  your
• 28:37
  website.
• 28:38
  Your
• 28:38
  book
• 28:38
  is
• 28:38
  on
• 28:39
  your
• 28:39
  website,
• 28:39
  but
• 28:40
  not
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  primary
• 28:41
  focus
• 28:41
  of
• 28:42
  the
• 28:42
  website.
• 28:43
  Now,
• 28:43
  when
• 28:43
  you
• 28:43
  first
• 28:44
  started
• 28:44
  out
• 28:44
  with
• 28:44
  your
• 28:45
  book,
• 28:45
  was
• 28:45
  your
• 28:46
  book
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  primary
• 28:47
  focus
• 28:47
  on
• 28:48
  your
• 28:48
  website,
• 28:49
  or
• 28:49
  did
• 28:49
  you
• 28:49
  have
• 28:49
  a
• 28:50
  website
• 28:50
  to
• 28:51
  support
• 28:51
  your
• 28:51
  book?
• 28:53
  So
• 28:53
  that's
• 28:53
  a
• 28:53
  great
• 28:53
  question.
• 28:54
  When
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  first
• 28:55
  created
• 28:55
  my
• 28:55
  website,
• 28:56
  my
• 28:57
  book
• 28:57
  was
• 28:57
  definitely
• 28:58
  the
• 28:59
  focus.
• 29:00
  My
• 29:00
  website
• 29:00
  has
• 29:01
  always
• 29:01
  been
• 29:01
  gardenwolfpublishing.com
• 29:04
  I
• 29:05
  wanted
• 29:05
  to
• 29:06
  frame
• 29:06
  it
• 29:06
  as
• 29:07
  like
• 29:08
  a
• 29:08
  publisher
• 29:09
  with
• 29:09
  a
• 29:09
  mission,
• 29:10
  which
• 29:11
  has
• 29:11
  always
• 29:11
  been
• 29:12
  to
• 29:12
  help
• 29:13
  kids
• 29:13
  learn
• 29:13
  social
• 29:14
  emotional
• 29:14
  skills.
• 29:15
  And
• 29:15
  so
• 29:15
  I
• 29:16
  did
• 29:17
  frame
• 29:17
  my
• 29:18
  website
• 29:18
  as
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  publisher
• 29:20
  that
• 29:20
  focused
• 29:20
  on
• 29:21
  that.
• 29:21
  But
• 29:22
  in
• 29:22
  the
• 29:22
  beginning,
• 29:23
  it
• 29:23
  was
• 29:23
  just
• 29:24
  my
• 29:24
  book.
• 29:24
  It
• 29:24
  was
• 29:24
  very
• 29:25
  much
• 29:25
  about
• 29:26
  my
• 29:26
  mission
• 29:27
  as
• 29:27
  a
• 29:27
  publisher,
• 29:28
  and
• 29:28
  this
• 29:29
  is
• 29:29
  my
• 29:29
  book.
• 29:30
  Let's
• 29:30
  talk
• 29:30
  about
• 29:30
  your
• 29:31
  book
• 29:31
  a
• 29:31
  bit
• 29:31
  more.
• 29:32
  When
• 29:32
  you
• 29:32
  first
• 29:33
  started
• 29:33
  out,
• 29:33
  I
• 29:34
  noticed
• 29:34
  you
• 29:34
  have
• 29:34
  two
• 29:35
  formats.
• 29:35
  You
• 29:36
  have
• 29:36
  a
• 29:36
  paperback,
• 29:37
  and
• 29:38
  of
• 29:38
  course,
• 29:38
  I
• 29:39
  purchased
• 29:39
  your
• 29:40
  ebook,
• 29:41
  and
• 29:41
  they're
• 29:41
  both
• 29:41
  on
• 29:42
  Amazon.
• 29:43
  The
• 29:43
  other
• 29:43
  thing,
• 29:45
  do
• 29:45
  you
• 29:45
  also
• 29:45
  use
• 29:46
  ingramsparks?
• 29:48
  I
• 29:48
  don't
• 29:49
  use
• 29:49
  ingramspark,
• 29:50
  but
• 29:50
  I
• 29:50
  actually
• 29:51
  printed
• 29:52
  a
• 29:52
  bulk
• 29:52
  order
• 29:53
  of
• 29:53
  hardcover
• 29:54
  books.
• 29:54
  Offset
• 29:55
  printing
• 29:55
  in
• 29:55
  China.
• 29:56
  When
• 29:56
  I'm
• 29:57
  doing
• 29:57
  events,
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  bring
• 29:58
  my
• 29:58
  hardcover
• 29:59
  books,
• 29:59
  and
• 30:00
  then
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  consider
• 30:01
  my
• 30:01
  Amazon
• 30:02
  as
• 30:02
  just
• 30:02
  a
• 30:03
  bonus,
• 30:03
  as
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  haven't
• 30:04
  put
• 30:04
  very
• 30:04
  much
• 30:05
  effort
• 30:05
  into.
• 30:05
  So
• 30:06
  I
• 30:06
  want
• 30:06
  to
• 30:06
  back
• 30:06
  up
• 30:07
  on
• 30:07
  that
• 30:07
  a
• 30:07
  bit
• 30:07
  because
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  talked
• 30:08
  to
• 30:08
  a
• 30:09
  lot
• 30:09
  of
• 30:09
  children's
• 30:10
  book
• 30:10
  authors,
• 30:11
  and
• 30:12
  some
• 30:13
  have
• 30:14
  a
• 30:14
  hardcover
• 30:15
  book,
• 30:16
  they
• 30:16
  use
• 30:16
  IngramSpark
• 30:17
  because
• 30:18
  Amazon
• 30:18
  doesn't
• 30:19
  do
• 30:19
  a
• 30:19
  children's
• 30:20
  hardcover
• 30:20
  book.
• 30:21
  Just
• 30:21
  so
• 30:21
  everyone
• 30:21
  understands,
• 30:22
  Amazon
• 30:23
  starts
• 30:24
  hardcover
• 30:24
  books
• 30:25
  at
• 30:25
  75
• 30:26
  pages.
• 30:26
  If
• 30:27
  you're
• 30:27
  under
• 30:27
  75
• 30:28
  pages,
• 30:28
  which
• 30:29
  is
• 30:29
  most
• 30:29
  children's
• 30:30
  books,
• 30:30
  they
• 30:31
  don't
• 30:31
  do
• 30:31
  a
• 30:31
  hard
• 30:31
  copy.
• 30:32
  So
• 30:33
  a
• 30:33
  lot
• 30:33
  of
• 30:34
  people
• 30:34
  use
• 30:34
  Ingram
• 30:34
  Sparks.
• 30:35
  The
• 30:35
  only
• 30:35
  thing
• 30:35
  is
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  if
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  look
• 30:37
  at
• 30:37
  the
• 30:37
  pricing,
• 30:38
  a
• 30:38
  lot
• 30:38
  of
• 30:39
  times
• 30:39
  on
• 30:40
  whether
• 30:41
  it's
• 30:41
  Amazon
• 30:42
  or
• 30:42
  through
• 30:43
  ingramsparks,
• 30:44
  hardcover
• 30:45
  Books
• 30:45
  tend
• 30:45
  to
• 30:45
  be
• 30:46
  very
• 30:46
  expensive.
• 30:47
  I
• 30:48
  was
• 30:48
  talking
• 30:48
  to
• 30:49
  Charlotte
• 30:50
  Glaze,
• 30:50
  episode
• 30:51
  23,
• 30:51
  and
• 30:52
  she
• 30:52
  had
• 30:52
  mentioned
• 30:53
  she
• 30:53
  had
• 30:53
  used
• 30:54
  a
• 30:54
  company
• 30:54
  called
• 30:55
  madeinchina.com
• 30:57
  to
• 30:57
  publish
• 30:58
  her
• 30:58
  hardcover
• 30:58
  books.
• 30:59
  And
• 30:59
  I
• 31:00
  said,
• 31:00
  oh.
• 31:01
  And
• 31:01
  she
• 31:01
  said,
• 31:02
  yeah,
• 31:02
  they'll
• 31:02
  make
• 31:03
  anything
• 31:03
  for
• 31:03
  you.
• 31:03
  And
• 31:04
  I
• 31:04
  said
• 31:04
  what
• 31:04
  about
• 31:04
  the
• 31:05
  quality
• 31:05
  of
• 31:05
  print?
• 31:06
  What
• 31:06
  about
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  cost
• 31:07
  to
• 31:07
  get
• 31:07
  them
• 31:07
  and
• 31:08
  all
• 31:08
  that?
• 31:08
  And
• 31:09
  she
• 31:09
  said
• 31:09
  she
• 31:10
  was
• 31:10
  pleasantly
• 31:11
  surprised
• 31:12
  of
• 31:12
  having.
• 31:13
  The
• 31:13
  quality
• 31:13
  was
• 31:14
  fantastic.
• 31:15
  The
• 31:15
  price
• 31:15
  to
• 31:15
  get
• 31:16
  them,
• 31:16
  in
• 31:17
  her
• 31:17
  case
• 31:17
  she
• 31:17
  was
• 31:17
  in
• 31:17
  Oklahoma.
• 31:18
  To
• 31:18
  get
• 31:19
  them
• 31:19
  to
• 31:19
  Oklahoma
• 31:20
  was
• 31:20
  not
• 31:21
  outrageous.
• 31:22
  And
• 31:23
  she
• 31:23
  was
• 31:23
  making
• 31:24
  a
• 31:24
  better
• 31:24
  margin,
• 31:25
  which
• 31:26
  I'm
• 31:26
  going
• 31:26
  to
• 31:26
  guess
• 31:26
  you're
• 31:27
  making
• 31:27
  a
• 31:27
  better
• 31:27
  margin
• 31:28
  when
• 31:28
  you
• 31:28
  do
• 31:28
  your
• 31:29
  in
• 31:29
  person
• 31:30
  events
• 31:30
  with
• 31:30
  your
• 31:30
  hardcover
• 31:31
  book.
• 31:31
  Is
• 31:31
  that
• 31:32
  correct?
• 31:32
  Absolutely.
• 31:33
  So
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  way
• 31:34
  I
• 31:34
  describe
• 31:36
  offset
• 31:36
  printing
• 31:37
  in
• 31:37
  China
• 31:38
  is
• 31:38
  you
• 31:39
  do
• 31:39
  have
• 31:39
  to
• 31:40
  do
• 31:40
  an
• 31:41
  upfront
• 31:41
  investment.
• 31:42
  It's
• 31:43
  not
• 31:43
  a,
• 31:44
  it's
• 31:44
  not
• 31:44
  a
• 31:44
  small
• 31:45
  number
• 31:45
  because
• 31:45
  you
• 31:45
  have
• 31:46
  to
• 31:46
  order
• 31:47
  minimum
• 31:47
  500
• 31:48
  books,
• 31:48
  but
• 31:48
  it's
• 31:49
  very
• 31:49
  close
• 31:50
  in
• 31:50
  price
• 31:50
  to
• 31:51
  get
• 31:51
  a
• 31:51
  thousand
• 31:51
  books.
• 31:52
  So
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  ordered
• 31:53
  a
• 31:53
  thousand
• 31:54
  hardcover
• 31:54
  books
• 31:55
  and
• 31:56
  it
• 31:56
  ends
• 31:57
  up
• 31:57
  costing
• 31:57
  a
• 31:57
  few
• 31:58
  dollars
• 31:58
  a
• 31:58
  book
• 31:58
  and
• 31:58
  I
• 31:59
  sell
• 31:59
  it
• 31:59
  for
• 31:59
  $20.
• 32:01
  So
• 32:01
  it's
• 32:02
  a
• 32:02
  much,
• 32:02
  much
• 32:02
  bigger
• 32:03
  margin
• 32:03
  and
• 32:04
  I
• 32:04
  have
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  say
• 32:04
  the
• 32:04
  quality
• 32:05
  is
• 32:06
  impeccable.
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  work
• 32:07
  with,
• 32:08
  I've
• 32:08
  worked
• 32:08
  with
• 32:08
  a
• 32:08
  few
• 32:09
  different
• 32:10
  offset
• 32:10
  printers
• 32:11
  in
• 32:11
  China
• 32:11
  who
• 32:12
  also
• 32:12
  print
• 32:13
  for
• 32:13
  large
• 32:13
  traditional
• 32:14
  publishing
• 32:14
  houses.
• 32:15
  That's
• 32:15
  what
• 32:15
  Charlotte
• 32:16
  said.
• 32:16
  What
• 32:16
  she
• 32:17
  said
• 32:17
  she,
• 32:19
  that
• 32:19
  she
• 32:19
  wanted
• 32:19
  to
• 32:19
  work
• 32:20
  with.
• 32:20
  She
• 32:20
  sent
• 32:21
  them
• 32:21
  the
• 32:22
  book
• 32:22
  format
• 32:23
  and
• 32:23
  then
• 32:24
  from
• 32:24
  there
• 32:24
  they
• 32:25
  sent.
• 32:25
  She
• 32:25
  had
• 32:25
  to
• 32:26
  pay
• 32:26
  for
• 32:26
  the
• 32:26
  samples,
• 32:27
  but
• 32:27
  she
• 32:27
  got
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  samples,
• 32:28
  she
• 32:29
  looked
• 32:29
  at
• 32:29
  them
• 32:29
  and
• 32:29
  then
• 32:29
  she
• 32:30
  made
• 32:30
  a
• 32:30
  decision.
• 32:31
  So
• 32:31
  did
• 32:31
  you
• 32:31
  go
• 32:32
  through
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  same
• 32:32
  process?
• 32:33
  Yep,
• 32:33
  that's
• 32:34
  exactly
• 32:34
  what
• 32:34
  I
• 32:34
  did.
• 32:35
  So
• 32:35
  I've
• 32:36
  worked
• 32:36
  with
• 32:36
  a
• 32:36
  few
• 32:36
  different
• 32:37
  printers
• 32:37
  in
• 32:37
  China
• 32:38
  and
• 32:38
  gone
• 32:38
  through
• 32:38
  that
• 32:38
  exact
• 32:39
  thing
• 32:40
  and
• 32:40
  spent
• 32:41
  money
• 32:41
  to
• 32:41
  get
• 32:42
  samples
• 32:42
  from
• 32:43
  a
• 32:43
  few
• 32:43
  printers
• 32:44
  and
• 32:44
  then
• 32:44
  select
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  one
• 32:45
  who's
• 32:46
  quality
• 32:47
  I
• 32:47
  like
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  best.
• 32:48
  But
• 32:48
  to
• 32:49
  be
• 32:49
  honest,
• 32:49
  they
• 32:49
  were
• 32:49
  all
• 32:50
  very
• 32:50
  high
• 32:50
  quality
• 32:51
  and
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  customer
• 32:52
  service
• 32:52
  in
• 32:52
  China
• 32:53
  is
• 32:53
  incredible.
• 32:55
  I
• 32:55
  actually
• 32:55
  have
• 32:56
  worked
• 32:56
  with
• 32:57
  some
• 32:57
  local
• 32:57
  printers
• 32:58
  or
• 32:58
  some
• 32:59
  North
• 32:59
  American
• 33:00
  printers
• 33:00
  in
• 33:00
  China.
• 33:01
  Print
• 33:01
  on
• 33:02
  demand.
• 33:02
  I
• 33:02
  have
• 33:02
  to
• 33:03
  say
• 33:03
  my
• 33:04
  experience
• 33:04
  with
• 33:04
  the
• 33:05
  printers
• 33:05
  in
• 33:05
  China
• 33:05
  is
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  by
• 33:06
  far
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  best.
• 33:07
  Because
• 33:08
  of
• 33:08
  Charlotte.
• 33:09
  We
• 33:09
  actually
• 33:10
  created
• 33:11
  because
• 33:12
  this
• 33:12
  is
• 33:12
  Caboose
• 33:12
  the
• 33:13
  Rocky
• 33:13
  Mountain
• 33:13
  Bear,
• 33:14
  our
• 33:14
  main
• 33:14
  character.
• 33:15
  And
• 33:15
  one
• 33:15
  of
• 33:16
  the
• 33:16
  bookstores
• 33:16
  that
• 33:16
  we
• 33:17
  were
• 33:17
  in
• 33:17
  said,
• 33:17
  Rick,
• 33:17
  we
• 33:18
  sell
• 33:18
  a
• 33:18
  lot
• 33:18
  more
• 33:19
  books
• 33:19
  if
• 33:20
  there's
• 33:20
  a
• 33:20
  plushie
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  go
• 33:21
  with
• 33:21
  your
• 33:22
  main
• 33:22
  character.
• 33:23
  When
• 33:23
  we
• 33:24
  went
• 33:24
  to
• 33:24
  madeinchina.com
• 33:27
  we
• 33:27
  had
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  same
• 33:28
  experience.
• 33:28
  Now
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  only
• 33:29
  reason
• 33:30
  I'm
• 33:30
  mentioning
• 33:30
  this
• 33:30
  is
• 33:31
  because
• 33:31
  it's
• 33:32
  whether
• 33:32
  you
• 33:33
  have
• 33:33
  a
• 33:33
  book
• 33:33
  printed
• 33:34
  or
• 33:34
  you
• 33:34
  have
• 33:35
  a
• 33:35
  plushie
• 33:35
  made.
• 33:36
  It's
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  same
• 33:36
  experience.
• 33:37
  What
• 33:37
  we
• 33:37
  did
• 33:37
  is
• 33:38
  we
• 33:38
  found
• 33:38
  a
• 33:38
  couple
• 33:38
  of
• 33:39
  companies.
• 33:40
  We
• 33:40
  decided
• 33:41
  on
• 33:41
  one,
• 33:42
  we
• 33:42
  paid
• 33:42
  for
• 33:43
  a
• 33:43
  sample,
• 33:44
  they
• 33:44
  sent
• 33:44
  us
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  sample,
• 33:45
  and
• 33:45
  then
• 33:45
  from
• 33:46
  there
• 33:46
  we.
• 33:47
  We're
• 33:47
  very
• 33:47
  happy
• 33:48
  with
• 33:48
  the
• 33:48
  quality
• 33:49
  and
• 33:49
  the
• 33:50
  pricing.
• 33:50
  So
• 33:50
  thank
• 33:51
  you
• 33:51
  for
• 33:51
  sharing
• 33:51
  that
• 33:52
  and.
• 33:52
  Thanks
• 33:52
  for
• 33:53
  sharing
• 33:53
  about
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  plushie,
• 33:54
  because
• 33:54
  that's
• 33:54
  something
• 33:55
  I've
• 33:55
  thought
• 33:55
  about
• 33:56
  too
• 33:56
  and
• 33:57
  have
• 33:57
  been
• 33:57
  asked
• 33:57
  about
• 33:58
  from
• 33:58
  authors
• 33:59
  that
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  work
• 33:59
  with.
• 34:00
  And
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  think
• 34:01
  it's
• 34:01
  a
• 34:01
  great
• 34:01
  idea
• 34:02
  and
• 34:02
  it's
• 34:02
  something
• 34:02
  I've
• 34:02
  been
• 34:03
  wanting
• 34:03
  to
• 34:03
  do.
• 34:03
  So
• 34:03
  I'm
• 34:04
  definitely
• 34:04
  going
• 34:04
  to
• 34:04
  look
• 34:04
  into
• 34:04
  that.
• 34:05
  I
• 34:06
  want
• 34:06
  to
• 34:06
  dig
• 34:06
  deeper
• 34:07
  into
• 34:07
  your
• 34:07
  publishing
• 34:08
  approach,
• 34:09
  and
• 34:10
  I'm
• 34:10
  curious,
• 34:11
  when
• 34:12
  you
• 34:13
  came
• 34:13
  to
• 34:14
  publishing
• 34:14
  your
• 34:15
  children's
• 34:15
  book,
• 34:16
  what
• 34:16
  was
• 34:16
  the
• 34:17
  biggest
• 34:17
  challenge
• 34:17
  or
• 34:18
  frustration?
• 34:18
  Because
• 34:19
  at
• 34:19
  that
• 34:19
  time,
• 34:20
  as
• 34:20
  a
• 34:20
  children's
• 34:21
  book
• 34:21
  author,
• 34:23
  now
• 34:23
  you're
• 34:23
  thinking,
• 34:24
  okay,
• 34:24
  do
• 34:24
  I
• 34:25
  independently
• 34:26
  publish?
• 34:26
  Do
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  self
• 34:27
  publish?
• 34:28
  Do
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  go
• 34:29
  after
• 34:29
  a
• 34:29
  traditional
• 34:30
  publisher?
• 34:31
  So
• 34:31
  tell
• 34:32
  us,
• 34:32
  when
• 34:33
  you
• 34:33
  started
• 34:33
  this
• 34:33
  whole
• 34:34
  publishing
• 34:34
  approach,
• 34:35
  what
• 34:35
  was
• 34:36
  your
• 34:36
  biggest
• 34:36
  challenge
• 34:36
  or
• 34:37
  frustration
• 34:37
  to
• 34:37
  get
• 34:38
  going
• 34:39
  after?
• 34:39
  I
• 34:39
  had
• 34:40
  written
• 34:42
  the
• 34:42
  manuscript
• 34:43
  for
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  story,
• 34:44
  and
• 34:44
  I
• 34:44
  knew
• 34:44
  I
• 34:45
  wanted
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  do
• 34:45
  something
• 34:46
  with
• 34:46
  it.
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  originally
• 34:48
  was
• 34:48
  thinking
• 34:48
  that
• 34:49
  I
• 34:49
  would
• 34:49
  want
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  try
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  traditionally
• 34:51
  publish
• 34:51
  it.
• 34:52
  And
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  have
• 34:53
  some
• 34:53
  contacts
• 34:54
  in
• 34:54
  the
• 34:54
  traditional
• 34:55
  publishing
• 34:56
  industry.
• 34:57
  I
• 34:58
  have
• 34:58
  a
• 34:58
  family
• 34:58
  member
• 34:59
  who's
• 34:59
  a
• 34:59
  pretty
• 35:00
  successful
• 35:00
  children's
• 35:01
  book
• 35:01
  author
• 35:02
  and
• 35:02
  illustrator,
• 35:04
  and
• 35:04
  she
• 35:05
  very
• 35:05
  kindly
• 35:06
  connected
• 35:06
  me
• 35:06
  with
• 35:07
  some
• 35:07
  contacts
• 35:08
  that
• 35:09
  she
• 35:09
  had
• 35:09
  worked
• 35:10
  with.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:10
  so
• 35:10
  I
• 35:11
  had
• 35:11
  some
• 35:11
  really
• 35:11
  good
• 35:11
  conversations
• 35:12
  with
• 35:13
  a
• 35:13
  few
• 35:13
  different
• 35:14
  publishing
• 35:15
  houses
• 35:15
  of
• 35:16
  editors,
• 35:17
  and
• 35:17
  they
• 35:18
  gave
• 35:18
  me
• 35:18
  some
• 35:18
  great
• 35:19
  feedback.
• 35:20
  But
• 35:20
  the
• 35:20
  thing
• 35:21
  I
• 35:21
  learned
• 35:21
  a
• 35:22
  few
• 35:22
  things,
• 35:22
  and
• 35:22
  I
• 35:23
  also
• 35:23
  did
• 35:24
  some
• 35:24
  of
• 35:24
  my
• 35:24
  own
• 35:25
  independent
• 35:25
  outreach
• 35:26
  to
• 35:26
  other
• 35:26
  traditional
• 35:27
  publishers.
• 35:28
  And
• 35:28
  the
• 35:29
  thing
• 35:29
  I
• 35:29
  learned
• 35:29
  is,
• 35:30
  number
• 35:31
  one,
• 35:31
  as
• 35:31
  a
• 35:31
  new
• 35:32
  author
• 35:33
  that's
• 35:33
  not
• 35:33
  been
• 35:34
  published
• 35:34
  before,
• 35:35
  it's
• 35:35
  highly
• 35:36
  unlikely
• 35:37
  that
• 35:37
  a
• 35:38
  traditional
• 35:38
  publisher
• 35:39
  will.
• 35:39
  Will
• 35:40
  acquire
• 35:40
  your
• 35:41
  rhyming
• 35:41
  book.
• 35:42
  It's
• 35:42
  very
• 35:43
  difficult
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  sell
• 35:44
  a
• 35:44
  rhyming
• 35:45
  book.
• 35:46
  A
• 35:46
  lot
• 35:46
  of
• 35:46
  them
• 35:47
  on
• 35:48
  their
• 35:48
  submission
• 35:48
  page
• 35:49
  will
• 35:49
  say,
• 35:50
  we
• 35:50
  don't
• 35:50
  accept
• 35:51
  rhyming
• 35:52
  books.
• 35:52
  And
• 35:53
  so
• 35:53
  that
• 35:53
  really
• 35:53
  surprised
• 35:54
  me.
• 35:54
  And
• 35:54
  I
• 35:55
  later,
• 35:55
  once
• 35:56
  I
• 35:56
  got
• 35:56
  into
• 35:56
  editing
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  learning
• 35:58
  about
• 35:58
  rhyme
• 35:58
  and
• 35:58
  meter,
• 35:59
  I
• 35:59
  understood.
• 36:00
  I
• 36:00
  started
• 36:00
  to
• 36:01
  understand
• 36:01
  why,
• 36:01
  because
• 36:01
  it's
• 36:02
  very
• 36:02
  hard
• 36:02
  to
• 36:03
  do
• 36:03
  rhyme
• 36:03
  and
• 36:03
  meter.
• 36:04
  It's
• 36:04
  challenging.
• 36:05
  So
• 36:05
  that
• 36:05
  was
• 36:05
  number
• 36:06
  one.
• 36:06
  And
• 36:06
  I
• 36:06
  was
• 36:06
  very
• 36:07
  committed
• 36:07
  to
• 36:08
  keeping
• 36:09
  my
• 36:09
  book
• 36:09
  rhyming
• 36:10
  because
• 36:10
  that
• 36:11
  was
• 36:11
  my
• 36:11
  vision.
• 36:11
  And
• 36:12
  I
• 36:13
  was
• 36:13
  very
• 36:13
  attached
• 36:14
  to
• 36:15
  my
• 36:15
  own
• 36:16
  creative
• 36:16
  ownership
• 36:17
  over
• 36:18
  the
• 36:18
  development
• 36:18
  of
• 36:19
  my
• 36:19
  book
• 36:20
  and
• 36:20
  my
• 36:21
  vision
• 36:21
  and
• 36:21
  how
• 36:22
  it
• 36:22
  would
• 36:22
  aesthetically
• 36:23
  look.
• 36:25
  And
• 36:25
  then
• 36:25
  also
• 36:26
  I
• 36:26
  had
• 36:26
  spoken,
• 36:27
  there
• 36:28
  was
• 36:28
  another
• 36:28
  publisher
• 36:29
  who
• 36:29
  was
• 36:29
  interested
• 36:30
  in
• 36:30
  my
• 36:30
  book.
• 36:31
  But
• 36:31
  then
• 36:31
  they
• 36:31
  were
• 36:31
  talking
• 36:32
  about
• 36:33
  they
• 36:33
  loved
• 36:33
  the
• 36:34
  name
• 36:34
  Namuste,
• 36:36
  but
• 36:36
  they
• 36:36
  would
• 36:36
  want
• 36:36
  to
• 36:37
  change
• 36:37
  Like,
• 36:38
  a
• 36:38
  lot
• 36:38
  of
• 36:38
  things
• 36:39
  about
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  direction
• 36:40
  of
• 36:40
  the
• 36:41
  story
• 36:42
  or
• 36:43
  how
• 36:44
  just
• 36:44
  the
• 36:44
  style.
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  don't
• 36:46
  remember
• 36:46
  if
• 36:46
  it
• 36:46
  was
• 36:47
  because
• 36:47
  of
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  rhyme
• 36:48
  or
• 36:48
  not.
• 36:49
  Or
• 36:49
  maybe
• 36:49
  they
• 36:49
  just
• 36:50
  had
• 36:50
  a.
• 36:50
  They
• 36:50
  were
• 36:50
  like,
• 36:51
  we
• 36:51
  want
• 36:51
  to
• 36:51
  acquire
• 36:52
  the
• 36:52
  name
• 36:52
  and
• 36:52
  then
• 36:53
  do
• 36:53
  what
• 36:53
  we
• 36:53
  want.
• 36:53
  And
• 36:54
  I
• 36:54
  was
• 36:54
  like.
• 36:54
  Like,
• 36:54
  no.
• 36:55
  Like
• 36:56
  that
• 36:56
  just
• 36:56
  really
• 36:56
  reinforced
• 36:58
  that
• 36:58
  the
• 36:59
  purpose
• 36:59
  of
• 36:59
  doing
• 37:00
  this
• 37:00
  for
• 37:00
  me
• 37:00
  in
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  beginning
• 37:02
  was
• 37:02
  really
• 37:02
  a
• 37:03
  creative
• 37:03
  project,
• 37:04
  a
• 37:04
  passion
• 37:05
  project
• 37:05
  for
• 37:05
  myself,
• 37:06
  something
• 37:06
  I
• 37:07
  really
• 37:07
  believed
• 37:08
  in,
• 37:08
  had
• 37:08
  a
• 37:08
  really
• 37:08
  personal
• 37:09
  connection
• 37:09
  to.
• 37:10
  And
• 37:10
  also,
• 37:12
  every
• 37:12
  part
• 37:12
  of
• 37:12
  the
• 37:12
  book
• 37:13
  is
• 37:13
  very
• 37:13
  personal
• 37:14
  to
• 37:14
  me
• 37:14
  because
• 37:14
  every
• 37:15
  animal
• 37:16
  has
• 37:16
  a
• 37:16
  name
• 37:17
  that
• 37:17
  is
• 37:17
  a
• 37:18
  child
• 37:18
  in
• 37:18
  my
• 37:18
  life.
• 37:19
  Like,
• 37:20
  I
• 37:20
  have
• 37:20
  three
• 37:20
  nieces,
• 37:22
  all
• 37:22
  my
• 37:22
  best
• 37:22
  friends,
• 37:23
  kids,
• 37:23
  names
• 37:24
  are
• 37:24
  in
• 37:24
  there.
• 37:24
  Like,
• 37:25
  every
• 37:25
  part
• 37:25
  of
• 37:26
  the
• 37:26
  book
• 37:26
  is
• 37:26
  just
• 37:27
  very
• 37:27
  personal
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  me.
• 37:28
  And
• 37:29
  I
• 37:29
  realized
• 37:29
  through
• 37:29
  going
• 37:30
  through
• 37:30
  that
• 37:30
  experience
• 37:31
  that
• 37:31
  publishing
• 37:33
  on
• 37:33
  my
• 37:33
  own,
• 37:34
  doing
• 37:34
  it
• 37:35
  my
• 37:35
  way,
• 37:35
  keeping
• 37:36
  ownership
• 37:37
  was
• 37:37
  the
• 37:38
  way
• 37:38
  for
• 37:38
  me.
• 37:39
  And
• 37:39
  what
• 37:39
  I
• 37:39
  find
• 37:40
  too
• 37:40
  is
• 37:40
  I've
• 37:41
  had
• 37:41
  two
• 37:42
  traditionally
• 37:42
  published
• 37:43
  children's
• 37:44
  book
• 37:44
  authors
• 37:45
  on
• 37:45
  my
• 37:45
  show,
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  the
• 37:47
  one
• 37:47
  thing
• 37:47
  they
• 37:48
  like
• 37:48
  to
• 37:48
  make
• 37:48
  perfectly
• 37:49
  clear
• 37:50
  is
• 37:50
  just
• 37:50
  because
• 37:51
  you're
• 37:51
  traditionally
• 37:52
  published,
• 37:53
  the
• 37:53
  publisher
• 37:54
  expects
• 37:54
  you
• 37:55
  to
• 37:55
  still
• 37:56
  do
• 37:56
  all
• 37:56
  the
• 37:56
  work
• 37:56
  in
• 37:57
  terms
• 37:57
  of
• 37:58
  marketing,
• 37:59
  sales,
• 37:59
  and
• 38:00
  distribution
• 38:00
  to
• 38:01
  some
• 38:01
  degree.
• 38:01
  It's
• 38:02
  not
• 38:02
  like
• 38:02
  you're
• 38:03
  getting
• 38:03
  a
• 38:03
  free
• 38:04
  ride.
• 38:04
  Yes,
• 38:05
  and
• 38:05
  that
• 38:06
  was.
• 38:06
  And
• 38:06
  I'm
• 38:06
  glad
• 38:07
  you
• 38:07
  brought
• 38:07
  that
• 38:07
  up,
• 38:07
  because
• 38:08
  as
• 38:08
  I
• 38:08
  was
• 38:09
  learning
• 38:09
  about
• 38:09
  the
• 38:09
  publishing
• 38:10
  industry
• 38:10
  and
• 38:11
  figuring
• 38:11
  out
• 38:11
  what
• 38:12
  I
• 38:12
  wanted
• 38:12
  to
• 38:12
  do,
• 38:13
  that
• 38:13
  was
• 38:13
  one
• 38:13
  of
• 38:14
  the
• 38:14
  things
• 38:14
  that
• 38:14
  surprised
• 38:15
  me
• 38:15
  the
• 38:15
  most
• 38:16
  and
• 38:16
  was
• 38:16
  one
• 38:16
  of
• 38:16
  the
• 38:17
  big
• 38:17
  reasons
• 38:18
  why.
• 38:18
  Why
• 38:18
  I
• 38:19
  decided
• 38:19
  to
• 38:19
  just
• 38:20
  do
• 38:20
  it
• 38:20
  on
• 38:20
  my
• 38:20
  own.
• 38:21
  Because
• 38:22
  a
• 38:22
  big
• 38:22
  motivation
• 38:23
  for
• 38:23
  traditional
• 38:24
  publishing
• 38:24
  for
• 38:25
  me
• 38:25
  was
• 38:25
  that
• 38:26
  I
• 38:26
  would
• 38:27
  have
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  lot
• 38:28
  of
• 38:28
  help
• 38:28
  in
• 38:28
  that
• 38:28
  area,
• 38:29
  which
• 38:29
  is.
• 38:30
  Feels
• 38:31
  overwhelming
• 38:31
  for
• 38:31
  a
• 38:32
  lot
• 38:32
  of
• 38:32
  people
• 38:32
  to
• 38:32
  think
• 38:33
  of
• 38:33
  being
• 38:33
  responsible
• 38:34
  for
• 38:34
  your
• 38:34
  book
• 38:35
  sales.
• 38:35
  It's
• 38:36
  like
• 38:36
  a
• 38:36
  lot
• 38:36
  of
• 38:37
  pressure,
• 38:37
  but
• 38:38
  then
• 38:38
  realizing
• 38:39
  that,
• 38:39
  okay,
• 38:40
  I'm
• 38:41
  expected
• 38:41
  to
• 38:41
  do
• 38:41
  that
• 38:42
  anyway,
• 38:42
  I
• 38:43
  would
• 38:43
  rather
• 38:43
  keep
• 38:44
  ownership
• 38:45
  over
• 38:46
  my
• 38:46
  idea
• 38:47
  and
• 38:48
  the
• 38:48
  final
• 38:48
  product
• 38:49
  and
• 38:49
  have
• 38:50
  complete
• 38:50
  creative
• 38:51
  control
• 38:51
  over
• 38:51
  it
• 38:52
  if
• 38:52
  I
• 38:52
  have
• 38:52
  to
• 38:52
  do
• 38:53
  all
• 38:53
  of
• 38:53
  that
• 38:53
  work.
• 38:53
  Anyway,
• 38:54
  I
• 38:54
  couldn't
• 38:54
  agree
• 38:54
  with
• 38:55
  you
• 38:55
  more,
• 38:55
  because
• 38:55
  even
• 38:56
  when
• 38:56
  we
• 38:56
  started
• 38:57
  our
• 38:57
  book
• 38:57
  and
• 38:58
  it
• 38:58
  was
• 38:58
  my
• 38:58
  oldest
• 38:59
  granddaughter
• 38:59
  who
• 39:00
  we
• 39:00
  were
• 39:00
  looking
• 39:01
  to
• 39:01
  name
• 39:01
  our
• 39:02
  character,
• 39:03
  and
• 39:04
  in
• 39:05
  our
• 39:05
  home
• 39:06
  we
• 39:06
  had
• 39:06
  my
• 39:07
  dad's
• 39:07
  old
• 39:07
  train
• 39:08
  set,
• 39:08
  and
• 39:08
  at
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  end
• 39:09
  of
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  train
• 39:09
  set
• 39:10
  was
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  red
• 39:11
  caboose.
• 39:12
  And
• 39:13
  my
• 39:13
  granddaughter
• 39:13
  said,
• 39:14
  what's
• 39:15
  that?
• 39:15
  And
• 39:16
  I
• 39:16
  said,
• 39:16
  oh,
• 39:16
  that's
• 39:16
  a
• 39:16
  caboose.
• 39:17
  People
• 39:18
  don't
• 39:18
  realize
• 39:19
  it,
• 39:19
  but
• 39:19
  it's
• 39:19
  been
• 39:19
  over
• 39:20
  20
• 39:20
  years
• 39:20
  since
• 39:21
  trains
• 39:21
  had
• 39:21
  a
• 39:22
  caboose.
• 39:22
  At
• 39:22
  the
• 39:22
  end
• 39:22
  of
• 39:23
  the
• 39:23
  train,
• 39:23
  there
• 39:24
  is
• 39:24
  no
• 39:24
  caboose.
• 39:25
  There's
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  complete
• 39:26
  generation
• 39:27
  of
• 39:27
  people
• 39:27
  that
• 39:28
  have
• 39:28
  grown
• 39:28
  up,
• 39:29
  have
• 39:29
  no
• 39:29
  idea.
• 39:30
  When
• 39:30
  she
• 39:30
  came
• 39:30
  up
• 39:30
  with
• 39:30
  the
• 39:31
  idea
• 39:31
  of
• 39:31
  calling
• 39:31
  it
• 39:32
  Caboose,
• 39:32
  her
• 39:33
  first
• 39:33
  name
• 39:33
  is
• 39:33
  Kira.
• 39:34
  We
• 39:34
  actually
• 39:35
  spelled
• 39:35
  Caboose
• 39:36
  with
• 39:36
  a
• 39:36
  K.
• 39:37
  I
• 39:37
  love
• 39:37
  that.
• 39:38
  And
• 39:38
  that's.
• 39:38
  And
• 39:39
  that
• 39:39
  stands
• 39:39
  for
• 39:39
  Kira.
• 39:40
  And
• 39:40
  to
• 39:41
  your
• 39:41
  point,
• 39:42
  all
• 39:42
  of
• 39:42
  my
• 39:42
  other
• 39:43
  four
• 39:43
  grandchildren,
• 39:44
  they
• 39:44
  picked
• 39:44
  out
• 39:45
  the
• 39:45
  animal
• 39:45
  they
• 39:45
  wanted
• 39:46
  to
• 39:46
  be.
• 39:46
  And
• 39:47
  if
• 39:47
  you
• 39:47
  look
• 39:47
  at
• 39:47
  Bailey,
• 39:48
  she
• 39:48
  picked
• 39:49
  out
• 39:49
  a
• 39:49
  beaver
• 39:50
  as
• 39:50
  her
• 39:51
  character,
• 39:51
  and
• 39:52
  so
• 39:52
  it's
• 39:52
  Bailey
• 39:53
  the
• 39:53
  beaver.
• 39:54
  And
• 39:54
  to
• 39:55
  your
• 39:55
  point,
• 39:55
  Marley,
• 39:56
  that's
• 39:56
  a
• 39:56
  beautiful
• 39:57
  thing
• 39:57
  about
• 39:57
  keeping
• 39:58
  the
• 39:59
  creativity
• 40:00
  for
• 40:01
  yourself
• 40:02
  is
• 40:02
  then
• 40:02
  you
• 40:03
  have
• 40:03
  the
• 40:03
  literary
• 40:04
  license
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  do
• 40:04
  whatever
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  want.
• 40:06
  That's
• 40:06
  exactly
• 40:07
  right.
• 40:08
  And
• 40:08
  just
• 40:08
  not
• 40:09
  to
• 40:09
  stray
• 40:09
  too
• 40:10
  far
• 40:10
  from
• 40:11
  talking
• 40:12
  about
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  book,
• 40:12
  but
• 40:13
  I
• 40:13
  just
• 40:14
  wanted
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  mention
• 40:15
  that
• 40:15
  my
• 40:16
  experience
• 40:17
  with
• 40:17
  this
• 40:18
  and
• 40:18
  being
• 40:18
  an
• 40:18
  author
• 40:19
  and
• 40:20
  feeling
• 40:21
  how
• 40:21
  important
• 40:22
  and
• 40:22
  personal
• 40:23
  all
• 40:23
  of
• 40:23
  this
• 40:23
  is,
• 40:24
  that
• 40:25
  plays
• 40:25
  into
• 40:26
  every
• 40:28
  part
• 40:28
  of
• 40:28
  how
• 40:28
  I
• 40:29
  approach
• 40:29
  my
• 40:29
  publishing
• 40:30
  business
• 40:30
  with
• 40:30
  my
• 40:31
  authors.
• 40:32
  And
• 40:32
  I
• 40:32
  like
• 40:32
  to
• 40:32
  say
• 40:33
  that
• 40:33
  I'm
• 40:33
  like
• 40:34
  an
• 40:34
  author
• 40:35
  first
• 40:35
  publisher,
• 40:36
  because
• 40:36
  I
• 40:37
  was
• 40:37
  an
• 40:37
  author
• 40:38
  first
• 40:38
  and
• 40:39
  I
• 40:40
  know
• 40:40
  how
• 40:40
  important
• 40:41
  and
• 40:41
  personal
• 40:42
  all
• 40:42
  these
• 40:42
  details
• 40:43
  are.
• 40:44
  And
• 40:44
  I
• 40:45
  know
• 40:45
  that
• 40:45
  there's
• 40:45
  a
• 40:46
  certain
• 40:46
  way
• 40:47
  that
• 40:47
  things
• 40:48
  are
• 40:48
  done
• 40:48
  in
• 40:48
  the
• 40:48
  industry,
• 40:49
  but
• 40:49
  I
• 40:50
  have
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  leg
• 40:50
  up
• 40:50
  of
• 40:51
  not
• 40:51
  being
• 40:52
  originally
• 40:53
  from
• 40:53
  the
• 40:53
  publishing
• 40:54
  industry
• 40:54
  and
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  don't
• 40:55
  feel
• 40:55
  beholden
• 40:56
  to
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  traditional
• 40:57
  system,
• 40:58
  so
• 40:58
  I
• 40:58
  just
• 40:58
  make
• 40:58
  it
• 40:59
  up
• 40:59
  for
• 40:59
  what
• 41:00
  I
• 41:00
  feel
• 41:00
  is
• 41:00
  right.
• 41:00
  It's
• 41:01
  interesting
• 41:01
  you
• 41:01
  say
• 41:01
  that,
• 41:02
  because
• 41:02
  when
• 41:03
  we
• 41:03
  published
• 41:03
  our
• 41:03
  first
• 41:04
  children's
• 41:04
  book
• 41:05
  and
• 41:05
  I
• 41:05
  was
• 41:06
  looking
• 41:06
  at
• 41:06
  just
• 41:06
  as
• 41:07
  you
• 41:07
  searching
• 41:08
  out
• 41:08
  ways
• 41:09
  to
• 41:10
  market
• 41:10
  the
• 41:10
  book,
• 41:11
  how
• 41:11
  do
• 41:11
  you
• 41:11
  do
• 41:11
  that?
• 41:12
  And
• 41:12
  after
• 41:13
  we
• 41:13
  finished
• 41:13
  our
• 41:14
  first
• 41:14
  book,
• 41:15
  we
• 41:15
  knew,
• 41:15
  because
• 41:16
  I
• 41:16
  had
• 41:16
  sat
• 41:17
  down
• 41:17
  with
• 41:17
  my
• 41:17
  grandchildren,
• 41:18
  we
• 41:18
  had
• 41:18
  written
• 41:18
  38
• 41:19
  stories,
• 41:20
  we
• 41:20
  knew
• 41:20
  we
• 41:20
  were
• 41:20
  going
• 41:21
  to
• 41:21
  come
• 41:21
  out
• 41:21
  with
• 41:21
  another
• 41:21
  book.
• 41:22
  Podcasting
• 41:23
  came
• 41:23
  about
• 41:23
  a
• 41:24
  year
• 41:24
  after
• 41:24
  our
• 41:25
  first
• 41:25
  book
• 41:25
  was
• 41:25
  published.
• 41:27
  And
• 41:27
  what
• 41:27
  I
• 41:28
  did
• 41:28
  is
• 41:28
  I
• 41:29
  had
• 41:29
  to
• 41:30
  learn
• 41:30
  how
• 41:30
  do
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  even
• 41:31
  do
• 41:31
  a
• 41:31
  podcast
• 41:32
  if
• 41:33
  you
• 41:33
  listen
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  our
• 41:33
  first
• 41:34
  nine
• 41:34
  episodes,
• 41:35
  half
• 41:35
  of
• 41:35
  them,
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  interview
• 41:37
  my
• 41:37
  grandchildren
• 41:38
  because
• 41:39
  they're
• 41:39
  co
• 41:39
  authors.
• 41:40
  And
• 41:41
  so
• 41:41
  I
• 41:41
  interviewed
• 41:42
  them
• 41:42
  as
• 41:43
  the
• 41:43
  author
• 41:44
  of
• 41:44
  children's
• 41:45
  books.
• 41:46
  And
• 41:46
  that
• 41:47
  built
• 41:47
  up
• 41:47
  a
• 41:48
  large
• 41:48
  enough.
• 41:49
  When
• 41:49
  you
• 41:49
  get
• 41:49
  to
• 41:49
  nine
• 41:50
  episodes,
• 41:50
  believe
• 41:51
  it
• 41:51
  or
• 41:51
  not,
• 41:51
  that's
• 41:51
  about
• 41:52
  three
• 41:52
  times
• 41:53
  as
• 41:53
  many
• 41:53
  episodes
• 41:54
  as
• 41:54
  the
• 41:54
  average
• 41:55
  podcast
• 41:56
  ever
• 41:56
  reaches.
• 41:57
  When
• 41:58
  we
• 41:58
  got
• 41:58
  to
• 41:58
  nine,
• 41:59
  all
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  a
• 41:59
  sudden
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  had
• 42:00
  a
• 42:00
  lot
• 42:00
  of
• 42:01
  children's
• 42:01
  book
• 42:02
  authors
• 42:02
  reaching
• 42:02
  out
• 42:03
  and
• 42:03
  want
• 42:03
  to
• 42:04
  be
• 42:04
  on
• 42:04
  the
• 42:04
  podcast
• 42:05
  grew
• 42:05
  from
• 42:05
  there.
• 42:05
  But
• 42:06
  it's
• 42:06
  interesting,
• 42:06
  like
• 42:07
  you
• 42:07
  said,
• 42:07
  everybody
• 42:08
  has
• 42:08
  their
• 42:08
  different
• 42:08
  approach
• 42:09
  and
• 42:09
  how
• 42:09
  it
• 42:10
  ends
• 42:10
  up
• 42:10
  happening.
• 42:11
  Yeah,
• 42:12
  exactly.
• 42:13
  Super
• 42:14
  interesting.
• 42:14
  I
• 42:15
  know
• 42:15
  you
• 42:15
  mentioned
• 42:15
  your
• 42:16
  son
• 42:16
  as
• 42:17
  the
• 42:17
  main
• 42:17
  motivation
• 42:19
  to
• 42:19
  write
• 42:19
  your
• 42:19
  book,
• 42:20
  to
• 42:20
  actually
• 42:21
  then
• 42:21
  take
• 42:22
  action.
• 42:23
  Was
• 42:23
  there
• 42:23
  an
• 42:24
  event
• 42:25
  besides
• 42:25
  Covid?
• 42:26
  Was
• 42:26
  there
• 42:26
  an
• 42:26
  event
• 42:27
  or
• 42:27
  a
• 42:27
  person
• 42:27
  that
• 42:28
  finally
• 42:28
  they
• 42:29
  said
• 42:29
  you
• 42:29
  know
• 42:30
  what,
• 42:30
  Marley?
• 42:30
  If
• 42:30
  you're
• 42:30
  going
• 42:31
  to
• 42:31
  sit
• 42:31
  on
• 42:31
  your
• 42:31
  phone
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  sit
• 42:32
  on
• 42:32
  your
• 42:32
  notepad,
• 42:33
  which
• 42:33
  is
• 42:34
  your
• 42:34
  phone,
• 42:35
  it's
• 42:36
  just
• 42:36
  not
• 42:36
  going
• 42:36
  to
• 42:36
  come
• 42:37
  to
• 42:37
  life.
• 42:37
  Was
• 42:37
  there
• 42:38
  an
• 42:38
  event
• 42:38
  or
• 42:39
  someone
• 42:39
  who
• 42:40
  motivated
• 42:40
  you
• 42:40
  to
• 42:41
  finally
• 42:41
  take
• 42:42
  your
• 42:42
  phone,
• 42:43
  take
• 42:43
  your
• 42:43
  notes,
• 42:43
  and
• 42:44
  let's
• 42:45
  get
• 42:45
  at
• 42:45
  it?
• 42:46
  It's
• 42:46
  interesting
• 42:46
  you
• 42:46
  asked
• 42:47
  that,
• 42:47
  because
• 42:47
  I
• 42:48
  didn't
• 42:48
  even
• 42:48
  really
• 42:48
  talk
• 42:48
  about
• 42:49
  it
• 42:49
  with
• 42:50
  anybody.
• 42:51
  It
• 42:51
  was
• 42:51
  very
• 42:51
  much
• 42:52
  an
• 42:52
  internal
• 42:53
  shift,
• 42:54
  and
• 42:54
  I
• 42:54
  can
• 42:55
  be
• 42:55
  a
• 42:55
  bit
• 42:55
  stubborn.
• 42:56
  So
• 42:56
  somebody
• 42:57
  telling
• 42:57
  me
• 42:57
  to
• 42:57
  do
• 42:58
  something
• 42:58
  different
• 42:59
  won't
• 42:59
  necessarily
• 43:00
  motivate
• 43:00
  me.
• 43:00
  It
• 43:01
  has.
• 43:02
  It
• 43:02
  had.
• 43:02
  I
• 43:03
  honestly
• 43:03
  don't
• 43:04
  know
• 43:05
  where
• 43:05
  the
• 43:05
  motivation
• 43:06
  came
• 43:06
  from.
• 43:06
  I
• 43:07
  know
• 43:07
  that
• 43:07
  Covid
• 43:07
  was
• 43:08
  a
• 43:08
  big
• 43:08
  triggering
• 43:09
  factor
• 43:09
  just
• 43:10
  because
• 43:11
  of
• 43:11
  many
• 43:12
  different
• 43:12
  ways
• 43:12
  it
• 43:13
  impacted
• 43:13
  my
• 43:13
  life.
• 43:14
  And
• 43:14
  I
• 43:14
  think
• 43:14
  I
• 43:15
  just
• 43:16
  wanted
• 43:16
  to
• 43:16
  do
• 43:17
  something
• 43:17
  for
• 43:17
  me.
• 43:18
  And
• 43:18
  so
• 43:19
  my
• 43:19
  mind
• 43:19
  went
• 43:20
  to
• 43:20
  the.
• 43:20
  Positive
• 43:21
  thing
• 43:21
  is
• 43:21
  that.
• 43:22
  How
• 43:23
  long
• 43:23
  did
• 43:23
  it
• 43:23
  sit
• 43:24
  in
• 43:24
  your
• 43:24
  notes
• 43:24
  before
• 43:25
  you
• 43:26
  started
• 43:26
  taking
• 43:26
  action?
• 43:28
  Four
• 43:28
  years.
• 43:29
  Four
• 43:29
  years.
• 43:29
  And
• 43:30
  you
• 43:30
  know
• 43:30
  what?
• 43:30
  That
• 43:31
  sounds
• 43:31
  like
• 43:31
  a
• 43:31
  long
• 43:32
  time,
• 43:32
  but
• 43:33
  I
• 43:33
  have
• 43:33
  talked
• 43:33
  to
• 43:34
  several
• 43:35
  children's
• 43:36
  book
• 43:36
  authors
• 43:36
  who
• 43:37
  were
• 43:37
  teachers,
• 43:38
  and
• 43:39
  a
• 43:39
  lot
• 43:39
  of
• 43:39
  times
• 43:40
  they
• 43:40
  sat
• 43:40
  on
• 43:41
  their
• 43:41
  children's
• 43:41
  book
• 43:42
  for
• 43:42
  20
• 43:42
  to
• 43:43
  30,
• 43:43
  30
• 43:43
  years
• 43:44
  until
• 43:45
  they
• 43:45
  actually
• 43:45
  finished
• 43:46
  their
• 43:46
  career
• 43:47
  and
• 43:47
  had
• 43:47
  the
• 43:48
  time
• 43:48
  to
• 43:48
  then
• 43:49
  figure
• 43:50
  out,
• 43:50
  how
• 43:50
  am
• 43:50
  I
• 43:50
  going
• 43:50
  to
• 43:50
  do
• 43:51
  this?
• 43:51
  So
• 43:52
  four
• 43:52
  years
• 43:53
  sounds
• 43:53
  like
• 43:53
  a
• 43:54
  long
• 43:54
  time
• 43:55
  in
• 43:55
  the
• 43:55
  grand
• 43:55
  scheme
• 43:56
  of
• 43:56
  things.
• 43:57
  It's
• 43:58
  just
• 43:58
  fun
• 43:58
  that
• 43:58
  you
• 43:58
  took
• 43:59
  action.
• 43:59
  That's
• 43:59
  why
• 44:00
  I
• 44:00
  asked
• 44:00
  that
• 44:01
  question,
• 44:01
  because
• 44:01
  I
• 44:02
  always
• 44:02
  find
• 44:03
  that
• 44:04
  at
• 44:04
  some
• 44:04
  point,
• 44:06
  what
• 44:06
  triggered
• 44:07
  you
• 44:07
  to
• 44:07
  take
• 44:08
  action
• 44:08
  is
• 44:09
  a
• 44:09
  big
• 44:09
  thing.
• 44:11
  It's
• 44:11
  a
• 44:11
  really
• 44:11
  good
• 44:11
  question,
• 44:12
  and
• 44:12
  I'm
• 44:12
  curious.
• 44:13
  I
• 44:13
  don't
• 44:13
  remember
• 44:14
  there
• 44:14
  being
• 44:14
  one
• 44:15
  specific
• 44:16
  trigger.
• 44:16
  I
• 44:16
  feel
• 44:17
  like
• 44:17
  it,
• 44:17
  like,
• 44:18
  was
• 44:18
  really
• 44:18
  just
• 44:19
  this
• 44:20
  decision
• 44:21
  to
• 44:21
  do
• 44:22
  something
• 44:22
  for
• 44:22
  me,
• 44:23
  to
• 44:23
  make
• 44:23
  myself
• 44:24
  happy
• 44:25
  and
• 44:25
  to
• 44:25
  do
• 44:26
  something
• 44:26
  that
• 44:26
  I
• 44:27
  felt
• 44:28
  very
• 44:28
  passionate
• 44:29
  about
• 44:29
  and
• 44:29
  that
• 44:30
  I
• 44:30
  would
• 44:30
  feel
• 44:30
  fulfilled.
• 44:31
  Because
• 44:31
  I
• 44:32
  think
• 44:32
  I
• 44:32
  was
• 44:32
  missing
• 44:33
  that
• 44:33
  in
• 44:33
  my
• 44:35
  work,
• 44:36
  where
• 44:36
  I've
• 44:36
  always
• 44:37
  really
• 44:37
  enjoyed
• 44:38
  what
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  do
• 44:39
  and
• 44:39
  really
• 44:40
  love
• 44:41
  writing
• 44:41
  and
• 44:41
  editing
• 44:42
  and
• 44:42
  content
• 44:42
  strategy.
• 44:43
  But
• 44:43
  there
• 44:44
  was
• 44:44
  a
• 44:44
  fulfillment
• 44:45
  piece
• 44:46
  that
• 44:46
  was
• 44:46
  missing,
• 44:48
  and
• 44:48
  I
• 44:48
  had
• 44:49
  always
• 44:49
  felt
• 44:49
  that,
• 44:50
  and
• 44:50
  I
• 44:50
  always
• 44:50
  knew
• 44:51
  that.
• 44:51
  And
• 44:51
  so
• 44:51
  I
• 44:51
  was
• 44:51
  always
• 44:52
  searching
• 44:53
  for
• 44:53
  what
• 44:53
  I
• 44:54
  could
• 44:54
  do
• 44:55
  to
• 44:55
  feel
• 44:56
  that,
• 44:56
  like,
• 44:57
  I
• 44:57
  was
• 44:57
  giving
• 44:58
  back.
• 44:59
  And
• 44:59
  that
• 45:00
  fills
• 45:00
  me
• 45:01
  to
• 45:01
  do
• 45:01
  it.
• 45:02
  When
• 45:02
  I
• 45:02
  had
• 45:02
  kids,
• 45:03
  I
• 45:03
  started
• 45:03
  to
• 45:03
  become
• 45:04
  very
• 45:04
  interested
• 45:05
  in
• 45:05
  psychology
• 45:06
  and
• 45:06
  mental
• 45:06
  health
• 45:07
  and
• 45:08
  learning
• 45:08
  about
• 45:08
  parenting
• 45:09
  methodology.
• 45:10
  And
• 45:11
  so
• 45:11
  I've
• 45:12
  navigated
• 45:13
  my
• 45:13
  own
• 45:13
  mental
• 45:14
  health
• 45:14
  over
• 45:14
  the
• 45:15
  past,
• 45:15
  like,
• 45:15
  15
• 45:16
  years.
• 45:16
  And
• 45:16
  so
• 45:17
  just
• 45:18
  I've
• 45:18
  developed
• 45:18
  a
• 45:19
  lot
• 45:19
  of
• 45:19
  knowledge
• 45:20
  around
• 45:21
  mental
• 45:21
  health
• 45:21
  that's
• 45:22
  become,
• 45:22
  like,
• 45:22
  a
• 45:22
  very
• 45:22
  big
• 45:23
  passion
• 45:23
  of
• 45:23
  mine.
• 45:24
  There
• 45:24
  was
• 45:25
  just
• 45:25
  a
• 45:25
  lot
• 45:25
  of
• 45:26
  meaning
• 45:27
  and
• 45:27
  purpose
• 45:28
  behind
• 45:29
  it.
• 45:29
  So
• 45:29
  I
• 45:29
  think
• 45:30
  that's
• 45:30
  really
• 45:30
  what
• 45:30
  drove
• 45:31
  me.
• 45:31
  Okay,
• 45:31
  is
• 45:32
  just.
• 45:32
  It
• 45:32
  checked
• 45:32
  all
• 45:32
  the
• 45:33
  boxes.
• 45:33
  Like
• 45:33
  it
• 45:33
  seemed
• 45:34
  really
• 45:34
  fun.
• 45:34
  I
• 45:35
  was
• 45:35
  proud
• 45:35
  of
• 45:35
  it.
• 45:35
  It
• 45:36
  felt.
• 45:36
  Felt
• 45:36
  like
• 45:36
  it
• 45:36
  would
• 45:37
  really
• 45:37
  do
• 45:37
  good
• 45:37
  and
• 45:38
  help
• 45:38
  people
• 45:38
  for
• 45:39
  sharing
• 45:39
  that.
• 45:39
  Because
• 45:39
  again,
• 45:40
  motivation
• 45:41
  comes
• 45:42
  in
• 45:42
  all
• 45:42
  forms.
• 45:43
  And.
• 45:44
  And
• 45:44
  that's
• 45:44
  one
• 45:44
  of
• 45:44
  the
• 45:44
  reasons
• 45:45
  I
• 45:45
  asked
• 45:45
  the
• 45:45
  question
• 45:46
  I
• 45:46
  want
• 45:46
  to
• 45:46
  get
• 45:47
  into
• 45:47
  because
• 45:47
  you
• 45:47
  talked
• 45:48
  about
• 45:48
  it
• 45:49
  and
• 45:49
  I
• 45:49
  want
• 45:49
  to
• 45:49
  dig
• 45:50
  deeper
• 45:50
  into
• 45:50
  your
• 45:51
  book
• 45:51
  because
• 45:51
  it
• 45:51
  was
• 45:51
  a
• 45:52
  fun
• 45:52
  read.
• 45:53
  I
• 45:53
  read
• 45:53
  it
• 45:53
  a
• 45:54
  couple
• 45:54
  of
• 45:54
  times
• 45:55
  and
• 45:56
  I'm
• 45:56
  always
• 45:56
  curious
• 45:57
  in
• 45:57
  character
• 45:58
  development
• 45:58
  because
• 45:59
  I'm
• 45:59
  lucky.
• 46:00
  Five
• 46:01
  of
• 46:01
  our
• 46:01
  characters
• 46:02
  in
• 46:02
  our
• 46:02
  books
• 46:03
  are
• 46:03
  my
• 46:03
  grandchildren.
• 46:04
  They
• 46:04
  take
• 46:04
  on
• 46:04
  some
• 46:05
  of
• 46:05
  their
• 46:05
  characters.
• 46:07
  That's
• 46:07
  fun
• 46:07
  in
• 46:08
  itself.
• 46:09
  And
• 46:09
  so
• 46:09
  I
• 46:09
  was
• 46:10
  curious
• 46:10
  because
• 46:11
  you
• 46:12
  actually
• 46:12
  have
• 46:12
  a
• 46:13
  lot
• 46:13
  of
• 46:13
  characters.
• 46:14
  And
• 46:15
  even
• 46:15
  though
• 46:15
  it's
• 46:16
  Namu's
• 46:17
  day
• 46:17
  and
• 46:18
  the
• 46:18
  first
• 46:18
  thing
• 46:18
  you
• 46:19
  think
• 46:19
  of
• 46:19
  is
• 46:19
  a
• 46:19
  cow,
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  cow
• 46:22
  is
• 46:22
  not
• 46:23
  front
• 46:23
  and
• 46:24
  center
• 46:24
  through
• 46:24
  the
• 46:24
  whole
• 46:25
  book.
• 46:25
  And
• 46:25
  so
• 46:26
  I
• 46:26
  love
• 46:27
  how
• 46:27
  you
• 46:27
  use
• 46:27
  the
• 46:28
  different
• 46:28
  animal
• 46:29
  in
• 46:29
  each
• 46:30
  different
• 46:30
  yoga
• 46:31
  pose.
• 46:31
  Talk
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  us
• 46:32
  about
• 46:33
  two
• 46:33
  things.
• 46:33
  One
• 46:34
  is
• 46:34
  the
• 46:34
  different
• 46:35
  animals
• 46:36
  in
• 46:36
  the
• 46:36
  different
• 46:36
  yoga
• 46:37
  poses.
• 46:38
  And
• 46:38
  then
• 46:38
  the
• 46:38
  other
• 46:38
  thing
• 46:39
  is
• 46:40
  most
• 46:40
  of
• 46:41
  your
• 46:41
  animals
• 46:42
  got
• 46:42
  equal
• 46:43
  billing.
• 46:43
  So
• 46:43
  talk
• 46:44
  to
• 46:44
  us
• 46:44
  about
• 46:44
  that.
• 46:45
  Yeah,
• 46:46
  I
• 46:46
  guess
• 46:47
  it
• 46:47
  was
• 46:47
  just
• 46:47
  a
• 46:48
  vision
• 46:48
  that
• 46:48
  I
• 46:49
  had
• 46:50
  from
• 46:50
  the
• 46:50
  beginning
• 46:50
  when
• 46:51
  I
• 46:51
  first
• 46:51
  had
• 46:51
  the
• 46:51
  idea
• 46:53
  that
• 46:54
  I
• 46:54
  wanted
• 46:55
  to
• 46:55
  showcase
• 46:57
  certain.
• 46:58
  A
• 46:58
  variety
• 46:59
  of
• 47:00
  what
• 47:00
  I
• 47:00
  believe
• 47:00
  to
• 47:01
  be
• 47:01
  very
• 47:01
  important
• 47:02
  social
• 47:02
  emotional
• 47:03
  skills
• 47:03
  that
• 47:03
  I
• 47:04
  think
• 47:04
  are
• 47:04
  really
• 47:04
  important
• 47:06
  for
• 47:06
  kids.
• 47:07
  But
• 47:07
  to
• 47:07
  do
• 47:07
  it
• 47:07
  in
• 47:08
  a
• 47:08
  fun
• 47:08
  way
• 47:09
  that
• 47:09
  didn't
• 47:10
  feel
• 47:10
  like
• 47:11
  I'm
• 47:11
  educating
• 47:12
  kids
• 47:12
  on
• 47:13
  something
• 47:14
  and
• 47:15
  to
• 47:15
  make
• 47:16
  it
• 47:16
  really
• 47:16
  fun.
• 47:17
  Okay.
• 47:18
  And
• 47:18
  make
• 47:18
  it
• 47:20
  like
• 47:20
  an
• 47:20
  overview.
• 47:21
  So
• 47:21
  I
• 47:21
  didn't
• 47:21
  go
• 47:22
  super
• 47:22
  in
• 47:22
  depth
• 47:23
  on
• 47:23
  the
• 47:23
  characters
• 47:24
  and
• 47:24
  I
• 47:24
  didn't
• 47:24
  go
• 47:25
  super
• 47:25
  in
• 47:25
  depth
• 47:26
  on
• 47:26
  the
• 47:26
  traits.
• 47:27
  And
• 47:27
  that's
• 47:27
  what
• 47:27
  I
• 47:27
  loved
• 47:28
  about
• 47:28
  it.
• 47:28
  I
• 47:29
  was
• 47:29
  very
• 47:29
  intentional
• 47:30
  about
• 47:32
  making
• 47:32
  sure
• 47:33
  that
• 47:33
  like
• 47:33
  the
• 47:34
  way
• 47:34
  each
• 47:35
  stanza
• 47:36
  was
• 47:36
  structured
• 47:37
  had
• 47:38
  a
• 47:38
  purpose.
• 47:39
  But
• 47:39
  I
• 47:39
  didn't
• 47:40
  want
• 47:40
  to
• 47:40
  say
• 47:40
  I'm
• 47:41
  teaching
• 47:41
  you
• 47:42
  this.
• 47:42
  For
• 47:43
  example,
• 47:43
  Parker
• 47:44
  the
• 47:44
  pig.
• 47:44
  Parker's
• 47:45
  my
• 47:45
  oldest
• 47:45
  son.
• 47:45
  He's
• 47:46
  the
• 47:46
  first
• 47:46
  character.
• 47:47
  He
• 47:48
  uses
• 47:49
  yoga
• 47:50
  as
• 47:50
  a
• 47:50
  way
• 47:51
  to
• 47:51
  take
• 47:51
  care
• 47:51
  of
• 47:51
  himself
• 47:52
  as
• 47:52
  self
• 47:52
  care.
• 47:53
  So
• 47:53
  we're
• 47:53
  describing
• 47:54
  his
• 47:54
  personality
• 47:55
  as
• 47:55
  someone
• 47:55
  who's
• 47:56
  very
• 47:56
  giving,
• 47:56
  giving
• 47:56
  and
• 47:57
  loving.
• 47:57
  But
• 47:57
  then
• 47:58
  he
• 47:58
  takes
• 47:58
  care
• 47:58
  of
• 47:59
  himself
• 47:59
  by
• 47:59
  doing
• 47:59
  child's
• 48:00
  pose.
• 48:00
  And
• 48:01
  at
• 48:01
  the
• 48:01
  end
• 48:01
  of
• 48:02
  the
• 48:02
  book,
• 48:02
  I'm
• 48:02
  not
• 48:03
  sure.
• 48:03
  I
• 48:03
  think
• 48:03
  this
• 48:03
  is
• 48:04
  in
• 48:04
  the
• 48:04
  ebook
• 48:04
  as
• 48:05
  well,
• 48:05
  where
• 48:05
  I
• 48:06
  have
• 48:06
  resources
• 48:06
  at
• 48:07
  the
• 48:07
  back
• 48:07
  of
• 48:07
  the
• 48:07
  book.
• 48:08
  Yes.
• 48:08
  And
• 48:08
  we're
• 48:08
  going
• 48:08
  to
• 48:08
  get
• 48:09
  into
• 48:09
  that
• 48:09
  because
• 48:10
  I
• 48:10
  don't
• 48:10
  want
• 48:10
  to
• 48:10
  give
• 48:11
  too
• 48:11
  much
• 48:11
  away
• 48:11
  because
• 48:12
  we're
• 48:12
  going
• 48:12
  to
• 48:12
  talk
• 48:12
  about
• 48:13
  it
• 48:13
  and
• 48:13
  you're
• 48:14
  going
• 48:14
  to
• 48:14
  understand
• 48:14
  this
• 48:15
  next
• 48:15
  question.
• 48:15
  So
• 48:16
  we're
• 48:16
  going
• 48:16
  to
• 48:16
  have
• 48:16
  a
• 48:16
  little
• 48:16
  fun
• 48:17
  with
• 48:17
  your
• 48:18
  own
• 48:19
  self
• 48:20
  looking
• 48:20
  in
• 48:20
  the
• 48:20
  mirror.
• 48:21
  Which
• 48:21
  character
• 48:23
  would
• 48:23
  you
• 48:24
  be
• 48:25
  from
• 48:25
  your
• 48:25
  book,
• 48:25
  and
• 48:26
  why?
• 48:27
  Oh,
• 48:28
  that's
• 48:29
  a
• 48:29
  good
• 48:29
  question.
• 48:30
  To
• 48:30
  be
• 48:30
  honest,
• 48:31
  I
• 48:31
  think
• 48:31
  that
• 48:32
  I'm
• 48:33
  a
• 48:33
  little
• 48:33
  bit
• 48:34
  of
• 48:34
  all
• 48:34
  the
• 48:34
  characters
• 48:35
  are
• 48:35
  in
• 48:35
  me
• 48:35
  in
• 48:36
  some
• 48:36
  way.
• 48:37
  But
• 48:37
  if
• 48:37
  I
• 48:37
  had
• 48:37
  to
• 48:38
  pick,
• 48:38
  the
• 48:38
  first
• 48:38
  one
• 48:38
  that
• 48:39
  comes
• 48:39
  to
• 48:39
  my
• 48:39
  mind
• 48:40
  is
• 48:40
  Rosie
• 48:41
  the
• 48:41
  rag
• 48:42
  doll
• 48:42
  who
• 48:42
  does
• 48:42
  mountain
• 48:43
  pose.
• 48:44
  You
• 48:44
  can
• 48:44
  tell
• 48:44
  I've
• 48:44
  read
• 48:44
  this
• 48:45
  book,
• 48:45
  like,
• 48:45
  hundreds
• 48:46
  of
• 48:46
  times.
• 48:46
  I
• 48:46
  know
• 48:47
  by
• 48:47
  heart
• 48:48
  she
• 48:48
  gets
• 48:49
  nervous
• 48:50
  to
• 48:51
  sing
• 48:51
  in
• 48:51
  front
• 48:52
  of
• 48:52
  a
• 48:52
  crowd.
• 48:53
  And
• 48:54
  so
• 48:54
  she
• 48:55
  takes
• 48:55
  a
• 48:55
  moment
• 48:56
  to
• 48:56
  stand
• 48:56
  in
• 48:56
  mountain
• 48:57
  pose.
• 48:57
  And
• 48:58
  the
• 48:58
  purpose
• 48:58
  of
• 48:59
  mountain
• 48:59
  pose
• 49:00
  is
• 49:00
  to
• 49:00
  be
• 49:00
  grounded
• 49:01
  and
• 49:02
  to
• 49:02
  feel
• 49:02
  the
• 49:02
  ground
• 49:03
  beneath
• 49:03
  your
• 49:03
  feet
• 49:04
  and
• 49:04
  to
• 49:05
  be
• 49:05
  present.
• 49:06
  And
• 49:07
  in
• 49:07
  the
• 49:07
  stanza,
• 49:08
  it
• 49:08
  says
• 49:09
  to
• 49:09
  be
• 49:09
  quiet
• 49:10
  in
• 49:10
  mountain
• 49:10
  and
• 49:11
  breathe.
• 49:11
  I
• 49:12
  have
• 49:12
  anxiety.
• 49:13
  I
• 49:14
  used
• 49:14
  to
• 49:14
  do
• 49:15
  theater,
• 49:16
  and
• 49:16
  I
• 49:16
  was
• 49:16
  a
• 49:16
  performer
• 49:17
  as
• 49:17
  a
• 49:17
  kid,
• 49:18
  but
• 49:18
  I
• 49:18
  would
• 49:18
  also
• 49:18
  be
• 49:19
  nervous.
• 49:20
  But
• 49:20
  I
• 49:20
  loved
• 49:21
  it.
• 49:21
  And
• 49:21
  I
• 49:21
  feel
• 49:22
  like
• 49:22
  I
• 49:22
  really
• 49:22
  relate
• 49:23
  to
• 49:23
  the
• 49:24
  Rosie
• 49:24
  the
• 49:25
  ragdoll
• 49:25
  character.
• 49:26
  At
• 49:27
  the
• 49:27
  little
• 49:27
  Marley,
• 49:28
  like
• 49:28
  young
• 49:28
  Marley
• 49:29
  was
• 49:29
  very
• 49:29
  much
• 49:30
  like
• 49:30
  that.
• 49:31
  And
• 49:31
  so
• 49:31
  using
• 49:32
  tools
• 49:33
  like
• 49:33
  breathing
• 49:34
  and
• 49:34
  feeling
• 49:34
  grounded
• 49:35
  and
• 49:35
  present
• 49:36
  are
• 49:36
  really
• 49:37
  what
• 49:37
  helped
• 49:37
  me
• 49:38
  get
• 49:38
  through
• 49:39
  moments
• 49:39
  where
• 49:40
  I
• 49:40
  might
• 49:40
  feel
• 49:40
  overwhelmed
• 49:41
  and
• 49:41
  anxious
• 49:42
  and
• 49:42
  scared,
• 49:43
  but
• 49:43
  still
• 49:44
  really
• 49:44
  want
• 49:44
  to
• 49:44
  do
• 49:44
  it.
• 49:45
  Love
• 49:45
  that.
• 49:45
  And
• 49:46
  just
• 49:46
  so
• 49:46
  everyone
• 49:46
  understands,
• 49:48
  Marley,
• 49:49
  as
• 49:49
  she's
• 49:50
  mentioned,
• 49:50
  has
• 49:50
  these
• 49:51
  resources
• 49:51
  at
• 49:52
  the
• 49:52
  back
• 49:52
  of
• 49:52
  the
• 49:53
  book.
• 49:53
  And
• 49:54
  the
• 49:54
  question
• 49:55
  I
• 49:55
  just
• 49:55
  asked
• 49:56
  her
• 49:56
  is
• 49:57
  in
• 49:57
  a
• 49:57
  section
• 49:58
  on
• 49:58
  one
• 49:59
  page.
• 49:59
  And
• 50:00
  that's
• 50:00
  one
• 50:00
  of
• 50:00
  the
• 50:00
  questions.
• 50:01
  And
• 50:01
  I
• 50:02
  thought,
• 50:02
  okay,
• 50:02
  Marley,
• 50:03
  I'm
• 50:03
  gonna
• 50:03
  flip
• 50:04
  the
• 50:04
  switch
• 50:04
  on
• 50:05
  you
• 50:05
  throwing
• 50:06
  a.
• 50:06
  Question
• 50:06
  back
• 50:06
  at
• 50:07
  me.
• 50:07
  I
• 50:07
  want
• 50:07
  to
• 50:08
  talk
• 50:08
  about
• 50:08
  the
• 50:09
  theme
• 50:09
  in
• 50:10
  your
• 50:10
  book
• 50:11
  and
• 50:12
  the
• 50:13
  central
• 50:13
  teaching,
• 50:14
  because
• 50:14
  we've
• 50:14
  got
• 50:14
  all
• 50:15
  these
• 50:15
  animals,
• 50:15
  we've
• 50:16
  got
• 50:16
  these
• 50:16
  different
• 50:16
  poses
• 50:17
  that
• 50:17
  mean
• 50:18
  something
• 50:18
  significant.
• 50:19
  So
• 50:20
  talk
• 50:20
  to
• 50:20
  us
• 50:20
  a
• 50:20
  little
• 50:21
  bit
• 50:21
  about
• 50:22
  the
• 50:22
  theme
• 50:23
  or
• 50:23
  the
• 50:23
  central
• 50:24
  teaching
• 50:25
  that
• 50:25
  you're
• 50:25
  trying
• 50:25
  to
• 50:26
  convey
• 50:26
  from
• 50:26
  the
• 50:26
  book.
• 50:28
  The
• 50:28
  central
• 50:28
  teaching
• 50:29
  of
• 50:29
  the
• 50:29
  book
• 50:30
  is
• 50:32
  helping
• 50:32
  kids
• 50:33
  learn
• 50:34
  to
• 50:34
  pay
• 50:35
  attention
• 50:35
  to
• 50:35
  their
• 50:36
  inner
• 50:36
  world
• 50:38
  and
• 50:38
  to
• 50:40
  listen
• 50:41
  and
• 50:41
  honor
• 50:42
  all
• 50:42
  of
• 50:43
  their
• 50:43
  feelings
• 50:44
  and
• 50:45
  to
• 50:45
  be
• 50:46
  open
• 50:46
  minded
• 50:47
  to
• 50:48
  things
• 50:49
  that
• 50:49
  might
• 50:49
  be
• 50:49
  hard
• 50:50
  for
• 50:50
  them
• 50:50
  and
• 50:51
  the
• 50:51
  ways
• 50:52
  that
• 50:53
  they
• 50:54
  can
• 50:54
  work
• 50:54
  on
• 50:54
  those
• 50:55
  areas
• 50:55
  that
• 50:56
  are
• 50:56
  hard
• 50:56
  for
• 50:56
  them.
• 50:57
  And
• 50:57
  helping
• 50:58
  kids
• 50:58
  to
• 50:59
  learn
• 51:00
  new
• 51:00
  skills
• 51:01
  that
• 51:01
  will
• 51:02
  help
• 51:02
  them
• 51:02
  persevere
• 51:03
  and
• 51:04
  build
• 51:04
  resilience,
• 51:05
  which
• 51:05
  is
• 51:05
  one
• 51:05
  of
• 51:06
  the
• 51:06
  skills
• 51:06
  through
• 51:07
  life.
• 51:08
  And
• 51:08
  also
• 51:09
  make
• 51:09
  kids
• 51:09
  feel
• 51:10
  validated
• 51:11
  that
• 51:11
  all
• 51:12
  these
• 51:12
  animals,
• 51:12
  every
• 51:13
  single
• 51:13
  animal,
• 51:14
  has
• 51:14
  a
• 51:14
  struggle.
• 51:15
  And
• 51:15
  every
• 51:15
  single
• 51:16
  animal
• 51:16
  uses
• 51:16
  yoga
• 51:17
  as
• 51:17
  a
• 51:17
  tool
• 51:18
  to
• 51:19
  help
• 51:19
  them
• 51:19
  through
• 51:19
  that
• 51:20
  struggle.
• 51:21
  And
• 51:22
  the
• 51:22
  struggles
• 51:23
  are
• 51:23
  all
• 51:23
  different,
• 51:24
  like
• 51:24
  patience,
• 51:26
  balance,
• 51:27
  self
• 51:28
  care.
• 51:28
  So
• 51:28
  there's
• 51:29
  a
• 51:29
  wide
• 51:29
  range
• 51:30
  of
• 51:30
  it's
• 51:31
  a
• 51:31
  struggle
• 51:31
  and
• 51:31
  it's
• 51:32
  a
• 51:32
  skill.
• 51:32
  Both
• 51:32
  at
• 51:33
  the
• 51:33
  time.
• 51:33
  That's
• 51:33
  what
• 51:34
  I
• 51:34
  loved
• 51:34
  about
• 51:34
  your
• 51:35
  book,
• 51:35
  and
• 51:35
  that's
• 51:36
  what
• 51:36
  I
• 51:36
  want
• 51:36
  the
• 51:36
  audience
• 51:37
  to
• 51:37
  know
• 51:38
  is
• 51:38
  that
• 51:39
  Marley
• 51:40
  adds
• 51:40
  a
• 51:41
  ton
• 51:41
  of
• 51:41
  value
• 51:42
  at
• 51:42
  the
• 51:42
  back
• 51:42
  of
• 51:43
  the
• 51:43
  book
• 51:43
  because
• 51:43
  as
• 51:44
  Marley's
• 51:44
  mentioned,
• 51:45
  she
• 51:45
  talks
• 51:45
  about
• 51:46
  the
• 51:46
  social
• 51:47
  emotional
• 51:47
  skills.
• 51:49
  And
• 51:49
  the
• 51:49
  nice
• 51:49
  thing
• 51:50
  about
• 51:50
  it,
• 51:50
  you
• 51:50
  go,
• 51:51
  you
• 51:51
  don't
• 51:51
  go
• 51:52
  into
• 51:52
  too
• 51:52
  much
• 51:52
  depth
• 51:53
  because
• 51:53
  it's
• 51:53
  a
• 51:53
  children's
• 51:54
  book.
• 51:54
  You
• 51:55
  have
• 51:55
  these
• 51:55
  discussion
• 51:56
  questions.
• 51:56
  And
• 51:56
  that's
• 51:57
  why
• 51:57
  just
• 51:58
  a
• 51:58
  moment
• 51:58
  ago,
• 51:58
  I
• 51:58
  asked
• 51:59
  Marlee
• 51:59
  one
• 51:59
  of
• 51:59
  her
• 52:00
  discussion
• 52:00
  questions
• 52:01
  to
• 52:01
  have
• 52:01
  some
• 52:01
  fun
• 52:01
  with
• 52:02
  her.
• 52:02
  And
• 52:03
  then
• 52:03
  I
• 52:03
  love
• 52:04
  how
• 52:04
  you
• 52:04
  did
• 52:04
  the
• 52:05
  notes
• 52:06
  to
• 52:06
  the
• 52:06
  caregivers.
• 52:07
  And
• 52:07
  when
• 52:07
  I
• 52:07
  think
• 52:08
  Marley,
• 52:08
  when
• 52:08
  you
• 52:08
  say
• 52:08
  caregivers,
• 52:09
  it's
• 52:10
  parents.
• 52:10
  And
• 52:11
  it's.
• 52:12
  It's
• 52:13
  really
• 52:13
  to
• 52:13
  be
• 52:13
  inclusive
• 52:14
  of
• 52:14
  everyone
• 52:15
  caring
• 52:15
  for
• 52:16
  children.
• 52:16
  And
• 52:17
  you
• 52:17
  also
• 52:17
  have
• 52:17
  a
• 52:17
  Scan
• 52:18
  me
• 52:18
  page.
• 52:18
  So
• 52:19
  talk
• 52:19
  to
• 52:20
  us
• 52:20
  a
• 52:20
  little
• 52:20
  bit
• 52:20
  about
• 52:20
  the
• 52:21
  scammy
• 52:21
  page.
• 52:22
  When
• 52:22
  I
• 52:22
  made
• 52:23
  that
• 52:23
  scammy
• 52:23
  page,
• 52:24
  it
• 52:24
  was
• 52:24
  really
• 52:24
  to
• 52:24
  direct
• 52:25
  people
• 52:25
  to
• 52:26
  my
• 52:26
  website
• 52:26
  where
• 52:27
  I
• 52:27
  have
• 52:27
  some
• 52:27
  additional
• 52:28
  free
• 52:28
  resources.
• 52:29
  One
• 52:30
  thing
• 52:30
  I
• 52:30
  will
• 52:30
  say,
• 52:30
  I
• 52:31
  think
• 52:31
  I.
• 52:32
  I
• 52:32
  may
• 52:32
  have
• 52:33
  indicated
• 52:34
  something
• 52:34
  about
• 52:35
  videos
• 52:36
  on
• 52:36
  my
• 52:36
  website,
• 52:36
  which
• 52:37
  I
• 52:37
  was
• 52:38
  planning
• 52:38
  to
• 52:38
  do
• 52:38
  with
• 52:39
  my
• 52:39
  son,
• 52:39
  and
• 52:40
  they
• 52:40
  are
• 52:40
  not
• 52:40
  on
• 52:41
  my
• 52:41
  website.
• 52:41
  Full
• 52:41
  disclosure,
• 52:43
  but.
• 52:43
  But
• 52:43
  I
• 52:44
  just
• 52:44
  wanted
• 52:44
  to
• 52:44
  direct
• 52:44
  people
• 52:45
  to
• 52:45
  my
• 52:45
  website
• 52:45
  because
• 52:46
  I
• 52:46
  do
• 52:46
  have
• 52:47
  free
• 52:47
  resources
• 52:48
  on
• 52:48
  there.
• 52:49
  Even
• 52:49
  the
• 52:50
  page
• 52:50
  where
• 52:50
  I
• 52:51
  list
• 52:51
  the
• 52:51
  14
• 52:52
  social
• 52:52
  emotional
• 52:53
  skills
• 52:54
  in
• 52:54
  the
• 52:54
  book,
• 52:55
  I
• 52:56
  created
• 52:56
  a
• 52:56
  free
• 52:57
  download.
• 52:58
  So
• 52:58
  if
• 52:58
  anyone
• 52:58
  wants
• 52:58
  to
• 52:59
  download
• 52:59
  and
• 52:59
  print
• 53:00
  as
• 53:00
  a
• 53:00
  poster
• 53:01
  to
• 53:01
  reference
• 53:02
  any
• 53:02
  of
• 53:03
  those
• 53:03
  skills.
• 53:04
  That
• 53:04
  section
• 53:05
  was
• 53:05
  important
• 53:06
  to
• 53:06
  me,
• 53:07
  particularly
• 53:08
  thinking
• 53:08
  about
• 53:08
  educators,
• 53:09
  because
• 53:10
  I
• 53:10
  really
• 53:10
  was
• 53:11
  picturing
• 53:12
  this
• 53:12
  being
• 53:13
  really
• 53:13
  valuable
• 53:13
  in
• 53:14
  classrooms
• 53:15
  and
• 53:15
  for
• 53:16
  parents
• 53:16
  and
• 53:16
  caregivers
• 53:17
  too,
• 53:17
  obviously.
• 53:18
  But
• 53:18
  I
• 53:18
  think
• 53:19
  it
• 53:19
  was
• 53:19
  just
• 53:19
  important
• 53:20
  for
• 53:20
  me
• 53:20
  to
• 53:20
  provide
• 53:21
  context
• 53:22
  for
• 53:22
  parents
• 53:23
  to
• 53:23
  understand
• 53:24
  the
• 53:25
  intention
• 53:25
  behind
• 53:26
  every
• 53:26
  single
• 53:27
  page
• 53:28
  so
• 53:28
  that
• 53:28
  they
• 53:28
  could
• 53:28
  have
• 53:29
  conversations
• 53:29
  with
• 53:30
  their
• 53:30
  kids
• 53:31
  about
• 53:31
  it.
• 53:31
  And
• 53:31
  for
• 53:32
  older
• 53:32
  kids,
• 53:32
  like
• 53:32
  I
• 53:33
  have
• 53:33
  read
• 53:34
  in
• 53:34
  older
• 53:34
  classrooms
• 53:35
  where
• 53:35
  they've
• 53:35
  asked
• 53:36
  me
• 53:36
  to
• 53:36
  read
• 53:37
  about
• 53:37
  the
• 53:38
  14
• 53:38
  social
• 53:38
  emotional
• 53:39
  skills
• 53:39
  and
• 53:39
  older,
• 53:40
  it's
• 53:40
  written
• 53:40
  in
• 53:41
  a
• 53:41
  way
• 53:41
  that
• 53:41
  older
• 53:41
  kids
• 53:42
  can
• 53:42
  understand,
• 53:43
  but
• 53:43
  it's
• 53:44
  not
• 53:44
  really
• 53:44
  necessarily
• 53:45
  intended
• 53:45
  to
• 53:46
  read
• 53:46
  all
• 53:46
  of
• 53:46
  it
• 53:47
  because
• 53:47
  it's
• 53:47
  a
• 53:47
  lot
• 53:47
  of
• 53:47
  information.
• 53:48
  And
• 53:49
  I
• 53:49
  want
• 53:49
  to
• 53:49
  jump
• 53:50
  in
• 53:50
  a
• 53:50
  bit
• 53:50
  to
• 53:50
  your
• 53:51
  writing
• 53:51
  process
• 53:52
  because
• 53:53
  we've
• 53:53
  had
• 53:53
  a
• 53:53
  lot
• 53:54
  of
• 53:54
  discussion.
• 53:54
  You
• 53:55
  talked
• 53:55
  about
• 53:56
  your
• 53:57
  passionate
• 53:58
  about
• 53:58
  writing
• 53:59
  and
• 53:59
  you've
• 54:00
  written
• 54:00
  your
• 54:00
  children's
• 54:01
  book
• 54:01
  and
• 54:01
  you're
• 54:01
  doing
• 54:02
  other
• 54:02
  writing.
• 54:03
  But
• 54:03
  talk
• 54:03
  to
• 54:04
  us
• 54:04
  about.
• 54:05
  Because
• 54:05
  now
• 54:05
  you've.
• 54:06
  It
• 54:06
  seems
• 54:06
  you've
• 54:06
  got
• 54:07
  a
• 54:07
  pretty
• 54:07
  busy
• 54:07
  life
• 54:08
  with
• 54:08
  also
• 54:09
  the
• 54:09
  publishing
• 54:09
  side
• 54:10
  of
• 54:10
  it.
• 54:10
  Tell
• 54:10
  us
• 54:11
  how
• 54:12
  writing
• 54:13
  is
• 54:13
  now
• 54:13
  taking
• 54:13
  on
• 54:14
  a
• 54:14
  role
• 54:14
  in
• 54:15
  your
• 54:15
  busy
• 54:15
  life.
• 54:16
  It's
• 54:17
  an
• 54:17
  excellent
• 54:18
  question.
• 54:19
  I
• 54:20
  don't
• 54:20
  have
• 54:20
  very
• 54:21
  much
• 54:21
  time
• 54:21
  for
• 54:21
  writing
• 54:22
  these
• 54:22
  days,
• 54:22
  if
• 54:23
  I'm
• 54:23
  being
• 54:23
  honest.
• 54:24
  I
• 54:25
  actually
• 54:25
  have
• 54:25
  written
• 54:26
  a
• 54:26
  dozen
• 54:27
  children's
• 54:28
  books
• 54:29
  that
• 54:29
  I
• 54:29
  also
• 54:30
  keep
• 54:30
  in
• 54:30
  my
• 54:30
  notes
• 54:31
  and
• 54:31
  had
• 54:32
  originally
• 54:32
  started
• 54:33
  Garden
• 54:33
  Wolf
• 54:34
  Publishing
• 54:34
  to
• 54:34
  publish
• 54:35
  all
• 54:35
  of
• 54:35
  them.
• 54:36
  But
• 54:36
  because
• 54:37
  of
• 54:38
  how
• 54:38
  things
• 54:39
  just
• 54:39
  organically
• 54:40
  went
• 54:41
  in
• 54:41
  the
• 54:42
  publishing
• 54:43
  direction
• 54:43
  of
• 54:43
  working
• 54:44
  with
• 54:44
  other
• 54:44
  authors,
• 54:45
  I
• 54:46
  didn't
• 54:46
  publish
• 54:46
  any
• 54:47
  of
• 54:47
  those
• 54:47
  other
• 54:47
  books,
• 54:48
  but
• 54:48
  I
• 54:49
  did.
• 54:50
  I
• 54:50
  publish
• 54:50
  a
• 54:51
  series
• 54:51
  of
• 54:52
  five
• 54:52
  books
• 54:53
  with
• 54:53
  my
• 54:53
  two
• 54:53
  kids
• 54:54
  that
• 54:55
  aren't
• 54:55
  on
• 54:55
  my
• 54:55
  website,
• 54:56
  that
• 54:56
  I
• 54:56
  just
• 54:57
  did
• 54:57
  as
• 54:57
  another
• 54:58
  passion
• 54:58
  project
• 54:58
  this
• 54:59
  year
• 54:59
  with
• 55:00
  my
• 55:00
  kids.
• 55:00
  Just
• 55:01
  like
• 55:01
  how
• 55:01
  you
• 55:01
  were
• 55:02
  saying,
• 55:02
  like
• 55:02
  you
• 55:03
  worked
• 55:03
  with
• 55:03
  your
• 55:04
  grandkids
• 55:04
  and
• 55:05
  it's
• 55:05
  so
• 55:06
  special
• 55:06
  to
• 55:07
  have
• 55:07
  that.
• 55:07
  And
• 55:07
  I
• 55:08
  gave
• 55:08
  them
• 55:08
  the
• 55:08
  bylines
• 55:09
  on
• 55:09
  the
• 55:10
  book.
• 55:10
  They
• 55:10
  were
• 55:10
  very
• 55:10
  excited
• 55:11
  about
• 55:11
  it.
• 55:12
  I
• 55:12
  did
• 55:12
  that
• 55:13
  type
• 55:13
  of
• 55:13
  writing
• 55:14
  and
• 55:14
  it's
• 55:14
  a
• 55:15
  very
• 55:15
  silly
• 55:15
  book.
• 55:16
  It's
• 55:16
  a
• 55:16
  totally
• 55:17
  different
• 55:18
  approach.
• 55:18
  And
• 55:19
  so
• 55:19
  I
• 55:20
  love
• 55:20
  being
• 55:20
  silly.
• 55:21
  And
• 55:22
  I
• 55:22
  really
• 55:22
  had
• 55:23
  fun
• 55:23
  in
• 55:23
  the
• 55:23
  process
• 55:24
  working
• 55:24
  with
• 55:24
  my
• 55:25
  kids
• 55:25
  to
• 55:25
  just
• 55:25
  channel
• 55:26
  my
• 55:26
  inner
• 55:27
  child
• 55:27
  with
• 55:28
  my
• 55:28
  kids.
• 55:28
  I
• 55:29
  did
• 55:29
  join
• 55:29
  a
• 55:29
  writers
• 55:30
  group
• 55:30
  earlier
• 55:30
  in
• 55:31
  the
• 55:31
  year
• 55:32
  to
• 55:32
  try
• 55:33
  to
• 55:33
  give
• 55:33
  myself
• 55:34
  space
• 55:35
  to
• 55:36
  have
• 55:36
  time
• 55:37
  to
• 55:37
  dedicate
• 55:38
  to
• 55:38
  being
• 55:38
  creative.
• 55:39
  And
• 55:39
  I
• 55:39
  did
• 55:39
  a
• 55:39
  lot
• 55:39
  of
• 55:39
  free
• 55:40
  writing
• 55:40
  and
• 55:41
  just
• 55:41
  like
• 55:41
  creative
• 55:42
  brain
• 55:43
  dumping.
• 55:43
  And
• 55:44
  I
• 55:44
  really
• 55:44
  enjoyed
• 55:44
  doing
• 55:45
  that.
• 55:45
  And
• 55:45
  I
• 55:45
  haven't
• 55:46
  done
• 55:46
  that
• 55:46
  in
• 55:46
  a
• 55:46
  while
• 55:46
  and
• 55:47
  I
• 55:47
  miss
• 55:47
  it.
• 55:47
  I'm
• 55:48
  going
• 55:48
  to
• 55:48
  take
• 55:48
  you
• 55:48
  back.
• 55:48
  I'm
• 55:49
  going
• 55:49
  to
• 55:49
  take
• 55:49
  you
• 55:49
  back
• 55:49
  on
• 55:50
  a
• 55:50
  little
• 55:50
  bit
• 55:50
  of
• 55:50
  a
• 55:50
  journey
• 55:51
  and
• 55:52
  I'm
• 55:52
  going
• 55:52
  to
• 55:52
  pull
• 55:52
  you
• 55:53
  forward.
• 55:54
  When
• 55:54
  you
• 55:54
  first
• 55:56
  published
• 55:57
  your
• 55:59
  children's
• 55:59
  book,
• 56:00
  tell
• 56:01
  us
• 56:01
  about
• 56:02
  what
• 56:02
  was
• 56:03
  your
• 56:03
  vision
• 56:03
  of
• 56:04
  success
• 56:05
  and
• 56:06
  then
• 56:06
  bring
• 56:06
  us
• 56:07
  forward
• 56:07
  to
• 56:07
  now
• 56:08
  where
• 56:08
  your
• 56:09
  book
• 56:09
  has
• 56:09
  taken
• 56:10
  on
• 56:10
  a
• 56:11
  different
• 56:11
  role.
• 56:12
  You've
• 56:12
  started
• 56:12
  your
• 56:13
  own
• 56:13
  publishing
• 56:14
  company
• 56:14
  and
• 56:15
  now
• 56:15
  you're
• 56:15
  helping
• 56:16
  other
• 56:16
  children's
• 56:17
  book
• 56:17
  authors
• 56:17
  so
• 56:18
  the
• 56:18
  audience
• 56:18
  can
• 56:18
  hear
• 56:19
  there's
• 56:19
  been
• 56:19
  an
• 56:19
  evolution.
• 56:20
  But
• 56:20
  I
• 56:21
  need
• 56:21
  you
• 56:21
  to
• 56:21
  step
• 56:21
  back
• 56:22
  and
• 56:22
  try
• 56:23
  and
• 56:23
  think
• 56:23
  back
• 56:23
  to
• 56:24
  what
• 56:24
  you
• 56:24
  thought
• 56:25
  success
• 56:25
  would
• 56:26
  look
• 56:26
  like
• 56:26
  when
• 56:27
  you
• 56:27
  first
• 56:28
  published
• 56:28
  your
• 56:28
  first
• 56:29
  book.
• 56:30
  Yeah,
• 56:30
  that's
• 56:31
  such
• 56:31
  a
• 56:31
  good
• 56:31
  question.
• 56:31
  Because
• 56:32
  that
• 56:32
  definitely
• 56:33
  evolved
• 56:34
  originally.
• 56:35
  And
• 56:36
  I
• 56:36
  thought
• 56:36
  about
• 56:36
  this
• 56:37
  specifically.
• 56:37
  I
• 56:38
  remember
• 56:38
  thinking,
• 56:38
  like,
• 56:39
  what
• 56:39
  does
• 56:39
  success
• 56:40
  look
• 56:40
  like
• 56:40
  for
• 56:40
  me?
• 56:41
  And
• 56:41
  it
• 56:41
  was
• 56:42
  never
• 56:43
  selling
• 56:44
  tons
• 56:45
  and
• 56:45
  tons
• 56:45
  of
• 56:45
  books
• 56:46
  that
• 56:46
  would
• 56:46
  be
• 56:46
  nice.
• 56:47
  Like,
• 56:48
  for
• 56:48
  me,
• 56:48
  like,
• 56:49
  breaking
• 56:49
  even
• 56:50
  on
• 56:50
  my
• 56:50
  investment
• 56:51
  was
• 56:51
  a
• 56:52
  goal.
• 56:52
  But
• 56:52
  that
• 56:52
  wasn't
• 56:54
  success
• 56:55
  in
• 56:55
  my
• 56:55
  mind
• 56:56
  when
• 56:56
  I
• 56:56
  first
• 56:56
  started.
• 56:57
  It
• 56:57
  was
• 56:59
  being
• 56:59
  true
• 57:00
  to
• 57:00
  myself
• 57:01
  and
• 57:01
  creating
• 57:02
  a
• 57:02
  final
• 57:03
  product
• 57:03
  that
• 57:04
  I
• 57:04
  was
• 57:04
  really
• 57:05
  proud
• 57:05
  of
• 57:05
  and
• 57:06
  that
• 57:06
  I
• 57:06
  believed
• 57:07
  in
• 57:07
  and
• 57:07
  that
• 57:08
  I
• 57:08
  felt
• 57:09
  I
• 57:10
  had
• 57:11
  really
• 57:12
  given
• 57:12
  my
• 57:13
  all
• 57:13
  and
• 57:14
  done
• 57:15
  everything
• 57:15
  I
• 57:16
  could
• 57:16
  to
• 57:17
  do
• 57:17
  it
• 57:17
  in
• 57:17
  a
• 57:17
  way
• 57:18
  that
• 57:18
  was
• 57:18
  very
• 57:18
  true
• 57:19
  and
• 57:19
  authentic
• 57:20
  to
• 57:20
  me.
• 57:21
  And
• 57:22
  I
• 57:22
  did.
• 57:23
  I
• 57:23
  feel
• 57:23
  like
• 57:24
  I
• 57:24
  as.
• 57:25
  As
• 57:25
  soon
• 57:25
  as
• 57:25
  my
• 57:26
  book
• 57:27
  was
• 57:27
  printed
• 57:27
  and
• 57:27
  I
• 57:28
  held
• 57:28
  it
• 57:28
  in
• 57:28
  my
• 57:28
  hands,
• 57:29
  that
• 57:29
  was
• 57:29
  success
• 57:30
  because
• 57:30
  it
• 57:31
  was
• 57:32
  everything
• 57:32
  I
• 57:33
  had
• 57:33
  hoped
• 57:34
  for
• 57:34
  and
• 57:34
  more.
• 57:34
  If
• 57:35
  you
• 57:35
  went
• 57:35
  back
• 57:35
  and
• 57:35
  listened
• 57:36
  to
• 57:36
  every
• 57:36
  single
• 57:36
  podcast
• 57:37
  episode,
• 57:38
  what
• 57:38
  we've
• 57:38
  had.
• 57:39
  It's
• 57:40
  about
• 57:40
  95%
• 57:41
  of
• 57:41
  the
• 57:42
  answer
• 57:42
  that
• 57:42
  I
• 57:42
  get
• 57:43
  on
• 57:44
  original
• 57:44
  success
• 57:45
  is
• 57:46
  just
• 57:46
  having
• 57:47
  that
• 57:47
  published
• 57:48
  hard
• 57:49
  copy
• 57:50
  book
• 57:50
  in
• 57:50
  your
• 57:50
  hand
• 57:51
  and
• 57:51
  turning
• 57:52
  the
• 57:52
  pages.
• 57:53
  That's
• 57:54
  how
• 57:54
  it
• 57:54
  all
• 57:54
  starts.
• 57:54
  Bring
• 57:55
  us
• 57:55
  forward
• 57:55
  now.
• 57:56
  Because
• 57:56
  when
• 57:57
  you
• 57:57
  first
• 57:57
  opened
• 57:58
  up
• 57:58
  namuste
• 57:59
  and
• 57:59
  you
• 58:00
  looked
• 58:00
  at
• 58:00
  it,
• 58:00
  I
• 58:01
  don't.
• 58:01
  I'm
• 58:01
  not
• 58:01
  sure
• 58:01
  if
• 58:02
  you
• 58:02
  were
• 58:02
  thinking,
• 58:02
  oh,
• 58:03
  wow,
• 58:03
  now
• 58:04
  I'm
• 58:04
  going
• 58:04
  to
• 58:04
  use
• 58:05
  my
• 58:05
  book
• 58:05
  and
• 58:05
  I'm
• 58:06
  going
• 58:06
  to
• 58:06
  help
• 58:07
  a
• 58:07
  ton
• 58:08
  of
• 58:08
  children's
• 58:08
  book
• 58:09
  authors
• 58:09
  bring
• 58:09
  their
• 58:10
  book
• 58:10
  to
• 58:10
  life.
• 58:11
  Definitely.
• 58:12
  Not
• 58:13
  definitely.
• 58:14
  So
• 58:15
  bring
• 58:15
  us
• 58:15
  forward
• 58:16
  now
• 58:16
  and
• 58:16
  what
• 58:16
  success
• 58:17
  looks
• 58:17
  like
• 58:17
  to
• 58:18
  you.
• 58:18
  What
• 58:18
  is
• 58:18
  success
• 58:19
  going
• 58:19
  to
• 58:19
  look
• 58:19
  like
• 58:20
  now?
• 58:21
  Do
• 58:21
  you
• 58:21
  mean,
• 58:21
  like,
• 58:21
  from
• 58:22
  a
• 58:22
  publishing
• 58:23
  standpoint?
• 58:23
  Well,
• 58:24
  you
• 58:24
  think
• 58:24
  about
• 58:25
  it
• 58:25
  is
• 58:25
  that
• 58:26
  you've
• 58:26
  evolved.
• 58:27
  I
• 58:27
  know
• 58:27
  you're
• 58:27
  a
• 58:27
  published
• 58:28
  children's
• 58:28
  book
• 58:28
  authority,
• 58:29
  but
• 58:29
  it's
• 58:30
  now.
• 58:30
  I
• 58:31
  don't
• 58:31
  want
• 58:31
  to
• 58:31
  say
• 58:31
  it's
• 58:31
  taken
• 58:32
  a
• 58:32
  back
• 58:32
  seat,
• 58:33
  but.
• 58:33
  No,
• 58:33
  it
• 58:33
  has,
• 58:34
  though.
• 58:34
  It
• 58:34
  has.
• 58:34
  If
• 58:35
  I'm
• 58:35
  right.
• 58:35
  And
• 58:36
  then
• 58:36
  that's
• 58:36
  what
• 58:36
  I'm
• 58:36
  trying
• 58:36
  to
• 58:36
  get
• 58:37
  at
• 58:37
  is
• 58:37
  I
• 58:37
  just
• 58:38
  want.
• 58:38
  I
• 58:38
  want
• 58:39
  to
• 58:39
  publish
• 58:40
  children's
• 58:40
  book
• 58:40
  authors
• 58:41
  to
• 58:41
  understand
• 58:42
  that
• 58:42
  your
• 58:42
  book
• 58:43
  takes
• 58:43
  on
• 58:43
  different
• 58:43
  roles
• 58:44
  and
• 58:44
  takes
• 58:44
  you
• 58:44
  in
• 58:44
  different
• 58:45
  directions.
• 58:46
  In
• 58:46
  your
• 58:46
  case,
• 58:47
  it
• 58:47
  took
• 58:47
  you
• 58:48
  to
• 58:48
  a
• 58:48
  role
• 58:49
  of
• 58:49
  becoming
• 58:50
  a
• 58:50
  publishing
• 58:51
  house
• 58:51
  and
• 58:51
  helping
• 58:52
  other
• 58:52
  children's
• 58:52
  book
• 58:53
  authors.
• 58:54
  So
• 58:54
  tell
• 58:54
  us,
• 58:55
  what
• 58:55
  will
• 58:55
  that
• 58:55
  success
• 58:56
  look
• 58:56
  like
• 58:56
  to
• 58:57
  you
• 58:57
  now?
• 58:58
  Yes.
• 58:59
  So
• 58:59
  the
• 59:00
  interesting
• 59:01
  thing
• 59:01
  is
• 59:02
  that
• 59:03
  success
• 59:04
  in
• 59:04
  that
• 59:04
  role
• 59:05
  is
• 59:05
  very
• 59:06
  similar,
• 59:06
  almost
• 59:07
  exactly
• 59:08
  the
• 59:08
  same,
• 59:08
  except
• 59:10
  regarding
• 59:11
  the
• 59:11
  book
• 59:12
  for
• 59:12
  the
• 59:12
  author
• 59:13
  that
• 59:13
  I'm
• 59:13
  working
• 59:14
  with.
• 59:14
  And
• 59:14
  in
• 59:15
  the
• 59:15
  same
• 59:15
  way
• 59:16
  that
• 59:16
  success
• 59:17
  was
• 59:18
  creating
• 59:19
  my
• 59:20
  book,
• 59:20
  that
• 59:20
  was
• 59:20
  authentic
• 59:21
  to
• 59:21
  me,
• 59:22
  that
• 59:22
  was
• 59:22
  true
• 59:23
  to
• 59:23
  myself,
• 59:23
  that
• 59:23
  felt.
• 59:24
  Felt
• 59:24
  like
• 59:24
  I
• 59:24
  was
• 59:24
  holding
• 59:24
  a
• 59:24
  book
• 59:25
  version
• 59:25
  of
• 59:26
  me
• 59:26
  and
• 59:26
  everything
• 59:26
  that's
• 59:27
  important
• 59:27
  to
• 59:27
  me
• 59:28
  as
• 59:28
  a
• 59:29
  publisher,
• 59:30
  success
• 59:30
  is
• 59:30
  that
• 59:31
  for
• 59:31
  the
• 59:31
  author
• 59:32
  that
• 59:32
  I
• 59:33
  want
• 59:33
  to
• 59:34
  help
• 59:34
  that
• 59:34
  author
• 59:35
  achieve
• 59:35
  their
• 59:36
  dream
• 59:37
  and
• 59:37
  help
• 59:38
  them
• 59:38
  to
• 59:39
  figure
• 59:39
  out
• 59:39
  what
• 59:40
  are
• 59:40
  the
• 59:40
  most
• 59:40
  important
• 59:41
  things
• 59:41
  to
• 59:41
  them,
• 59:42
  to
• 59:42
  be
• 59:42
  in
• 59:42
  the
• 59:42
  book,
• 59:43
  visually,
• 59:43
  in
• 59:44
  every
• 59:44
  element,
• 59:44
  and
• 59:45
  just
• 59:45
  help
• 59:45
  them
• 59:46
  create
• 59:47
  something
• 59:47
  that
• 59:47
  they're
• 59:48
  so
• 59:48
  thrilled
• 59:49
  with
• 59:49
  at
• 59:50
  the
• 59:50
  end.
• 59:50
  And
• 59:51
  that
• 59:51
  also
• 59:51
  I
• 59:52
  am
• 59:52
  proud
• 59:53
  and
• 59:53
  to
• 59:53
  put
• 59:53
  my
• 59:54
  publishing
• 59:54
  logo
• 59:55
  on.
• 59:55
  And
• 59:55
  that's
• 59:55
  very
• 59:56
  important
• 59:56
  to
• 59:56
  me
• 59:56
  to.
• 59:57
  To
• 59:57
  make
• 59:57
  sure
• 59:57
  I
• 59:58
  work
• 59:58
  with
• 59:58
  people
• 59:58
  who
• 59:58
  have
• 59:59
  the
• 59:59
  same
• 1:00:00
  quality
• 1:00:00
  standards
• 1:00:01
  that
• 1:00:01
  I
• 1:00:01
  do.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah,
• 1:00:02
  it's
• 1:00:02
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• 1:00:02
  similar,
• 1:00:03
  but
• 1:00:03
  really
• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:07
  I
• 1:00:07
  gave
• 1:00:07
  for
• 1:00:08
  myself.
• 1:00:08
  Terrific.
• 1:00:09
  That
• 1:00:09
  leads
• 1:00:10
  me
• 1:00:10
  to
• 1:00:10
  my
• 1:00:10
  next
• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:12
  and
• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:13
  is
• 1:00:13
  advice
• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:15
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:18
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• 1:00:18
  Not
• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:19
  publishing
• 1:00:20
  aspect
• 1:00:21
  in
• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:23
  a
• 1:00:23
  publisher,
• 1:00:24
  but
• 1:00:24
  your
• 1:00:26
  advice
• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:27
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• 1:00:28
  children's
• 1:00:28
  book
• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:29
  an.
• 1:00:31
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• 1:00:31
  would
• 1:00:31
  say
• 1:00:33
  that
• 1:00:34
  number
• 1:00:34
  One,
• 1:00:35
  I
• 1:00:36
  think
• 1:00:36
  it's
• 1:00:36
  very
• 1:00:36
  important
• 1:00:37
  to
• 1:00:37
  take
• 1:00:37
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• 1:00:38
  bit
• 1:00:38
  of
• 1:00:38
  time
• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:39
  educate
• 1:00:40
  yourself
• 1:00:40
  about
• 1:00:40
  your
• 1:00:41
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• 1:00:42
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• 1:00:43
  it
• 1:00:43
  can
• 1:00:43
  be
• 1:00:43
  a
• 1:00:44
  bit
• 1:00:44
  overwhelming
• 1:00:45
  the
• 1:00:46
  industry.
• 1:00:46
  And
• 1:00:46
  I
• 1:00:46
  know
• 1:00:47
  because
• 1:00:47
  I've
• 1:00:48
  navigated
• 1:00:48
  it
• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:52
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• 1:00:52
  much
• 1:00:53
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• 1:00:53
  all.
• 1:00:54
  And
• 1:00:54
  I
• 1:00:54
  think
• 1:00:55
  that
• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:56
  a
• 1:00:56
  little
• 1:00:57
  bit
• 1:00:57
  of
• 1:00:57
  time
• 1:00:58
  to
• 1:00:59
  read
• 1:00:59
  and
• 1:00:59
  learn
• 1:01:00
  about
• 1:01:00
  what
• 1:01:00
  your
• 1:01:01
  different
• 1:01:01
  options
• 1:01:01
  are
• 1:01:02
  and
• 1:01:03
  also
• 1:01:03
  evaluating
• 1:01:04
  what
• 1:01:05
  resources
• 1:01:06
  you
• 1:01:06
  have
• 1:01:07
  and
• 1:01:07
  be
• 1:01:07
  honest
• 1:01:08
  with
• 1:01:08
  yourself
• 1:01:08
  about
• 1:01:09
  it.
• 1:01:09
  And
• 1:01:09
  when
• 1:01:10
  I
• 1:01:10
  say
• 1:01:10
  resources,
• 1:01:10
  I'm
• 1:01:11
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• 1:01:11
  to
• 1:01:12
  time
• 1:01:12
  and
• 1:01:12
  budget,
• 1:01:13
  because
• 1:01:13
  both
• 1:01:14
  are
• 1:01:15
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• 1:01:15
  resources
• 1:01:16
  and
• 1:01:16
  something
• 1:01:16
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• 1:01:17
  I
• 1:01:17
  always
• 1:01:17
  tell
• 1:01:18
  people
• 1:01:18
  when
• 1:01:18
  they
• 1:01:19
  come
• 1:01:19
  to
• 1:01:19
  me
• 1:01:19
  and
• 1:01:19
  are
• 1:01:20
  talking
• 1:01:20
  to
• 1:01:21
  me
• 1:01:21
  about
• 1:01:21
  maybe
• 1:01:21
  wanting
• 1:01:22
  to
• 1:01:22
  publish
• 1:01:22
  a
• 1:01:23
  book,
• 1:01:23
  I
• 1:01:23
  always
• 1:01:24
  tell
• 1:01:24
  them
• 1:01:25
  about
• 1:01:25
  the
• 1:01:26
  different
• 1:01:26
  publishing
• 1:01:27
  paths
• 1:01:27
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• 1:01:28
  whether
• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:28
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• 1:01:29
  they
• 1:01:29
  work
• 1:01:29
  with
• 1:01:30
  me,
• 1:01:30
  like,
• 1:01:31
  they
• 1:01:31
  need
• 1:01:31
  to
• 1:01:31
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:32
  right
• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:32
  them,
• 1:01:33
  because
• 1:01:33
  I
• 1:01:33
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• 1:01:33
  think
• 1:01:33
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:35
  I
• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:36
  they
• 1:01:36
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• 1:01:37
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• 1:01:37
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• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:38
  and
• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:39
  a
• 1:01:39
  good
• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:40
  It
• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:40
  on
• 1:01:41
  the
• 1:01:41
  person.
• 1:01:41
  So
• 1:01:42
  I
• 1:01:42
  think
• 1:01:42
  it's
• 1:01:42
  figuring
• 1:01:42
  that
• 1:01:42
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• 1:01:43
  and
• 1:01:43
  just.
• 1:01:44
  You
• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:44
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• 1:01:45
  yourself
• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:45
  a
• 1:01:45
  bad
• 1:01:45
  financial
• 1:01:46
  situation
• 1:01:47
  and
• 1:01:48
  you
• 1:01:48
  want
• 1:01:48
  to
• 1:01:48
  be
• 1:01:48
  honest
• 1:01:49
  about
• 1:01:49
  your
• 1:01:49
  time
• 1:01:50
  availability
• 1:01:50
  because
• 1:01:51
  it
• 1:01:51
  does
• 1:01:51
  take
• 1:01:51
  time
• 1:01:52
  and
• 1:01:52
  dedication.
• 1:01:53
  If
• 1:01:54
  you
• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:54
  have
• 1:01:54
  any
• 1:01:54
  time
• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
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• 1:01:55
  any
• 1:01:56
  budget,
• 1:01:57
  then
• 1:01:57
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• 1:01:58
  be
• 1:01:58
  realistic.
• 1:01:58
  It's
• 1:01:59
  maybe
• 1:01:59
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• 1:01:59
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• 1:02:00
  time
• 1:02:00
  right
• 1:02:01
  now
• 1:02:01
  to
• 1:02:02
  start,
• 1:02:02
  but
• 1:02:02
  start
• 1:02:02
  thinking
• 1:02:03
  about
• 1:02:03
  how
• 1:02:03
  you
• 1:02:03
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• 1:02:04
  create
• 1:02:04
  that
• 1:02:05
  for
• 1:02:05
  yourself
• 1:02:05
  to
• 1:02:06
  make
• 1:02:06
  it
• 1:02:06
  happen.
• 1:02:06
  Great
• 1:02:07
  advice.
• 1:02:08
  So
• 1:02:08
  encouragement
• 1:02:09
  for
• 1:02:09
  readers.
• 1:02:10
  Why
• 1:02:10
  should
• 1:02:11
  children's
• 1:02:12
  book
• 1:02:12
  readers
• 1:02:12
  purchase
• 1:02:13
  your
• 1:02:13
  book?
• 1:02:14
  I
• 1:02:14
  think
• 1:02:15
  that
• 1:02:16
  somebody
• 1:02:16
  who's
• 1:02:16
  purchasing
• 1:02:17
  a
• 1:02:17
  children's
• 1:02:18
  book
• 1:02:18
  at
• 1:02:18
  all
• 1:02:19
  clearly
• 1:02:20
  appreciates
• 1:02:20
  the
• 1:02:21
  value
• 1:02:21
  of
• 1:02:21
  a
• 1:02:21
  children's
• 1:02:22
  book.
• 1:02:22
  So
• 1:02:22
  I
• 1:02:22
  like
• 1:02:23
  you
• 1:02:23
  already.
• 1:02:24
  And
• 1:02:24
  I
• 1:02:25
  think
• 1:02:25
  that
• 1:02:26
  the
• 1:02:26
  value
• 1:02:27
  of
• 1:02:28
  my
• 1:02:28
  book
• 1:02:28
  of
• 1:02:28
  Nammoo
• 1:02:29
  Stay
• 1:02:30
  is
• 1:02:32
  many
• 1:02:32
  different
• 1:02:33
  layers.
• 1:02:33
  Number
• 1:02:34
  one,
• 1:02:34
  kids
• 1:02:35
  love
• 1:02:35
  copying
• 1:02:36
  what
• 1:02:37
  animals
• 1:02:37
  are
• 1:02:38
  doing.
• 1:02:38
  And
• 1:02:39
  so
• 1:02:39
  if
• 1:02:39
  you're
• 1:02:39
  getting
• 1:02:40
  the
• 1:02:40
  book
• 1:02:40
  for
• 1:02:40
  a
• 1:02:40
  child,
• 1:02:42
  it's
• 1:02:42
  going
• 1:02:42
  to
• 1:02:42
  help
• 1:02:42
  them
• 1:02:43
  move
• 1:02:43
  their
• 1:02:43
  bodies.
• 1:02:44
  Because
• 1:02:45
  I've
• 1:02:45
  never
• 1:02:45
  read
• 1:02:46
  the
• 1:02:46
  story
• 1:02:47
  where
• 1:02:47
  a
• 1:02:47
  child
• 1:02:48
  isn't
• 1:02:48
  itching
• 1:02:49
  to
• 1:02:49
  copy
• 1:02:50
  the
• 1:02:50
  poses.
• 1:02:51
  And
• 1:02:51
  when
• 1:02:51
  I
• 1:02:52
  do
• 1:02:52
  readings
• 1:02:52
  at
• 1:02:52
  schools,
• 1:02:53
  I
• 1:02:53
  have
• 1:02:53
  to
• 1:02:53
  tell
• 1:02:54
  them,
• 1:02:54
  wait
• 1:02:54
  till
• 1:02:55
  I
• 1:02:55
  finish
• 1:02:55
  reading.
• 1:02:55
  We're
• 1:02:55
  going
• 1:02:56
  to
• 1:02:56
  go
• 1:02:56
  through
• 1:02:56
  all
• 1:02:56
  the
• 1:02:56
  poses
• 1:02:57
  after.
• 1:02:57
  Because
• 1:02:57
  it's
• 1:02:57
  hard
• 1:02:57
  to,
• 1:02:58
  like,
• 1:02:58
  do
• 1:02:59
  the
• 1:02:59
  pose
• 1:02:59
  and
• 1:02:59
  then
• 1:02:59
  sit
• 1:02:59
  down
• 1:02:59
  and
• 1:03:00
  read
• 1:03:00
  and
• 1:03:00
  then
• 1:03:00
  do
• 1:03:00
  the.
• 1:03:00
  I
• 1:03:01
  learned
• 1:03:01
  that.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah,
• 1:03:02
  absolutely.
• 1:03:02
  I
• 1:03:03
  can.
• 1:03:03
  I
• 1:03:03
  can
• 1:03:03
  understand
• 1:03:04
  that.
• 1:03:04
  But
• 1:03:05
  it's
• 1:03:05
  also
• 1:03:05
  really
• 1:03:06
  fun
• 1:03:07
  because
• 1:03:07
  at
• 1:03:08
  the.
• 1:03:08
  At
• 1:03:08
  the
• 1:03:08
  end
• 1:03:08
  of
• 1:03:08
  every
• 1:03:09
  page,
• 1:03:09
  the
• 1:03:10
  animal
• 1:03:10
  says
• 1:03:11
  namaste
• 1:03:12
  with
• 1:03:12
  their
• 1:03:12
  animal
• 1:03:13
  sound.
• 1:03:14
  So
• 1:03:14
  the
• 1:03:14
  kids
• 1:03:15
  love
• 1:03:15
  animal
• 1:03:16
  sounds.
• 1:03:17
  And
• 1:03:17
  it's
• 1:03:17
  just
• 1:03:18
  fun.
• 1:03:18
  I
• 1:03:19
  think
• 1:03:19
  that
• 1:03:20
  there
• 1:03:20
  are
• 1:03:20
  many
• 1:03:20
  different
• 1:03:21
  depending
• 1:03:22
  on
• 1:03:22
  your
• 1:03:22
  priorities.
• 1:03:22
  You
• 1:03:23
  can
• 1:03:23
  get
• 1:03:23
  so
• 1:03:23
  many
• 1:03:23
  different
• 1:03:24
  things
• 1:03:24
  from
• 1:03:24
  the
• 1:03:24
  book.
• 1:03:25
  Whether
• 1:03:25
  you
• 1:03:25
  want
• 1:03:25
  something
• 1:03:25
  just
• 1:03:26
  super
• 1:03:26
  light
• 1:03:27
  hearted
• 1:03:27
  and
• 1:03:27
  fun
• 1:03:28
  or
• 1:03:28
  if
• 1:03:28
  you
• 1:03:28
  want
• 1:03:28
  to
• 1:03:28
  get
• 1:03:29
  your
• 1:03:29
  kids
• 1:03:29
  moving
• 1:03:30
  or
• 1:03:30
  if
• 1:03:30
  you
• 1:03:30
  want
• 1:03:30
  to
• 1:03:30
  teach
• 1:03:31
  them
• 1:03:31
  social
• 1:03:31
  emotional
• 1:03:32
  skills
• 1:03:32
  and
• 1:03:33
  learn
• 1:03:33
  about
• 1:03:33
  the
• 1:03:34
  tools
• 1:03:35
  like
• 1:03:35
  breathing.
• 1:03:35
  Like
• 1:03:36
  you
• 1:03:36
  can
• 1:03:36
  get
• 1:03:36
  so
• 1:03:36
  many
• 1:03:37
  different
• 1:03:37
  things
• 1:03:37
  depending
• 1:03:38
  on
• 1:03:38
  what
• 1:03:38
  you
• 1:03:38
  want
• 1:03:38
  to
• 1:03:39
  take
• 1:03:39
  out
• 1:03:39
  of
• 1:03:39
  it.
• 1:03:40
  Thank
• 1:03:40
  you.
• 1:03:41
  So,
• 1:03:41
  Final
• 1:03:42
  Thoughts
• 1:03:43
  Marley,
• 1:03:43
  is
• 1:03:44
  there
• 1:03:45
  as
• 1:03:45
  you
• 1:03:45
  think
• 1:03:46
  about
• 1:03:46
  being
• 1:03:46
  a
• 1:03:47
  children's
• 1:03:47
  book
• 1:03:47
  author?
• 1:03:48
  Is
• 1:03:48
  is
• 1:03:48
  there
• 1:03:48
  any
• 1:03:49
  question
• 1:03:49
  or
• 1:03:50
  thought
• 1:03:50
  you'd
• 1:03:50
  like
• 1:03:50
  to
• 1:03:51
  share
• 1:03:51
  that
• 1:03:51
  maybe
• 1:03:52
  I
• 1:03:52
  didn't
• 1:03:52
  ask
• 1:03:52
  you
• 1:03:53
  or
• 1:03:53
  we
• 1:03:53
  didn't
• 1:03:53
  delve
• 1:03:53
  into?
• 1:03:56
  I
• 1:03:56
  feel
• 1:03:57
  like
• 1:03:57
  you
• 1:03:57
  were
• 1:03:57
  very
• 1:03:58
  thorough.
• 1:03:58
  Honestly.
• 1:03:59
  You
• 1:03:59
  asked
• 1:03:59
  a
• 1:03:59
  lot
• 1:03:59
  of
• 1:03:59
  really
• 1:04:00
  good
• 1:04:00
  questions.
• 1:04:01
  Nothing
• 1:04:01
  came
• 1:04:01
  to
• 1:04:02
  mind.
• 1:04:02
  I
• 1:04:02
  feel
• 1:04:02
  like
• 1:04:02
  you
• 1:04:03
  really
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  covered
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  the
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  breadth
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  of
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  the
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  experience,
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  to
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  be
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  honest.
• 1:04:07
  Marley,
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  thank
• 1:04:08
  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  being
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  a
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  guest
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  on
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  the
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  Adventures
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  in
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  the
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  Heart
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  of
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  Children's
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  Book
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  Authors
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  Podcast.
• 1:04:13
  Your
• 1:04:13
  generosity
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  of
• 1:04:14
  time
• 1:04:15
  and
• 1:04:15
  your
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  insights
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  will
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  benefit
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  aspiring
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  you
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  the
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  links
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  to
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  her
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  book,
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  her
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  social
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:40
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• 1:04:40
  Marley
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  Day.
• 1:04:44
  Thanks
• 1:04:44
  Marley.
• 1:04:46
  Thank
• 1:04:46
  you
• 1:04:46
  so
• 1:04:46
  much.
• 1:04:47
  Rick.