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What Needs To Happen Next with Dr. Evette Rose · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Diver's podcast.
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Speaker 2: My name is Guimi Ferson, and I interview incredible people
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Speaker 2: who share the story of how trauma has shaped their lives.
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Speaker 2: two and one, Our folks, welcome back to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to have as my guest today, doctor
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Speaker 2: Yvette Rose.
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Speaker 1: Yvette welcome.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much guy for having me here. I
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Speaker 3: am so excited. I'm thrilled to be here and to
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Speaker 3: connect with everyone else.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate that. So That is a holistic counselor and author
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Speaker 2: of twenty one books, including the internationally acclaimed Metaphysical Anatomy
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Speaker 2: Volume one, which explores emotional roots of over seven hundred
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Speaker 2: medical clinditions. She's a founder of Metapsychology coaching, the Metaphysical
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Speaker 2: Anatomy Technique, and Intricative Soulful Therapy, and is known for
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Speaker 2: helping people hell deep trauma and psychosomatic symptoms. After New
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Speaker 2: death experience sparked a profound personal awakening that dedicated her
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Speaker 2: life to healing work one on one with over seven
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Speaker 2: thousand people leaving seminars in more than forty three countries.
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Speaker 2: Her work address is trauma across the lifespan, including ancestral
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Speaker 2: and early life experiences, and a compassionate, intuitive approach has
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Speaker 2: made her a trusted guide for those seeking lasting transformation.
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Speaker 2: That welcome again, before we get going, share with the listeners,
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Speaker 2: where you're from originally and where you are currently?
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Speaker 3: Such a great question. So I originally was born in
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Speaker 3: South Africa, So born in South Africa, and then we
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Speaker 3: moved to Namibia, which is where I spent my best
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Speaker 3: childhood years. I absolutely loved it.
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Speaker 1: Guy.
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Speaker 3: We had sand use on one side, which was my backyard.
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Speaker 3: We had a river on one end, and then we
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Speaker 3: had the ocean on the other side. Was in oranyamund
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Speaker 3: which is kind of like nestled in the corner of
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Speaker 3: Namibia South like South, so it's right there on the
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Speaker 3: border between Namibia and South Africa. So you know, in
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Speaker 3: terms of just nature, we had the best of everything,
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Speaker 3: and I had a showhorse career and it was just
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Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic. It was you know, most kids could you know,
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Speaker 3: probably only dream of just having sand used as your
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Speaker 3: playground and then suddenly have a river and then there's
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Speaker 3: the ocean, so we had this wonderful diversity. And then
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Speaker 3: we moved back to South Africa, which happened just after
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Speaker 3: apartheight also came to an end. And it was and
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Speaker 3: as a beautiful of a moment, it also was it
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Speaker 3: was also a moment with so much tension, right you
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Speaker 3: can only imagine coming from a Maybia, the country where
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Speaker 3: we didn't really have issues with racism. You know, my
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Speaker 3: neighbors were you know, completely African, and we got along
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Speaker 3: so well, and we went to school together, we would
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Speaker 3: build threehouses together. And then suddenly I moved to South
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Speaker 3: Africa and suddenly you can walk to school, you can't
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Speaker 3: ride your bicycle anymore, you have to look over your
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Speaker 3: shoulder all the time. And I'm thinking with my parents, mad,
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Speaker 3: why would you want to live here when we can
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Speaker 3: have what we had in a Mobia. So it was
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Speaker 3: quite a traumatic shift for me, and it was quite
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Speaker 3: a negative association that I started to form also with
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Speaker 3: change and with moving forward and creating doing new things.
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Speaker 3: It was quite a traumatic imprint, and long story short,
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Speaker 3: I ended up now in Australia. It's funny. I actually
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Speaker 3: a few years ago I had two tattoos put under
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Speaker 3: one foot. One said made in South Africa, the other
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Speaker 3: one said reborn in Australia. Because when I moved to Australia,
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Speaker 3: I had the worst chronic fatigue. Guy. It was so bad,
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Speaker 3: And what was actually happening with my body was it
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Speaker 3: was saying to me it's safe to rest, and my
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Speaker 3: nervous system couldn't accept it. My nervous system couldn't integrate
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Speaker 3: this car, beautiful news space where I see people walking
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Speaker 3: with their handbags two blocks to go buy food during lunchtime.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't comprehend that. And you know, my house didn't
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Speaker 3: have bars. When when the realist, that agent showed us
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Speaker 3: the hat, I'm like, where's the bars? Like, sorry, where's
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Speaker 3: where's the where's the Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I know?
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Speaker 3: And sleeping at night, the slightest sound, I'm up and
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Speaker 3: I'm looking around to see, you know, where did the
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Speaker 3: sound come from. I walk into rooms, I hit the
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Speaker 3: door until it hits the wall to make sure that
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Speaker 3: no one is there. And so this chronic fatigue was
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Speaker 3: my body's way of finally sensing that my environment is safe.
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Speaker 3: But a part of me couldn't accept that it is safe. Right,
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Speaker 3: That hardwired survival response just would not go. So for me,
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Speaker 3: it was such a beautiful rebirth to be introduced to
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Speaker 3: such a beautiful country, where you are received, where you're held.
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Speaker 3: Every day felt like a holiday, even though we were
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Speaker 3: working in corporate and we were working really hard. But
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Speaker 3: it was fun. It was great. It was such a
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Speaker 3: great banter that everyone had, which I wasn't used to.
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Speaker 3: Had come from a very competitive country. You know, everything
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Speaker 3: is about survival in you know life and also in
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Speaker 3: your career. There's not a lot of real time for
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Speaker 3: true friendship. So I had a lot of challenges integrating this.
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Speaker 3: It was so tough in a way, I was going
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Speaker 3: through almost a complete breakdown. Right you would think that
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Speaker 3: this would be the best time of my life, but
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Speaker 3: my nervous system just couldn't regulate itself. In all this calmness,
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Speaker 3: in all this love, it actually triggered me more. And
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Speaker 3: so this is how I went on my journey. But
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Speaker 3: long story story, just to answer your question. To answer
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Speaker 3: your question, I'm now a mixed salad. You know, I've
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Speaker 3: been to forty three countries and now we have a
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Speaker 3: prolonged stopover in Indonesia. So this is where I currently am.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so thank you for that, and that kind of
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Speaker 2: leads us right into my next question.
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Speaker 1: And I think you touched on it.
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Speaker 2: But you have a lot going on with your work
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Speaker 2: and everything you do twenty one books, Jesus, go girl,
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Speaker 2: my god, How did this.
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Speaker 1: Interest is passion begin for you? How did it start?
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Speaker 3: Are you ready for a plot twist? Yes, I actually
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Speaker 3: want of course, I actually wanted to become a crime
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Speaker 3: scene investigator. I was studying to become a lawyer and
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Speaker 3: the crime scene investigator that is what the little event
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Speaker 3: wanted to become. And I pursued that even though I
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Speaker 3: was working in corporate I save money to kind of
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Speaker 3: study that part time and divine intervention. At the time,
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Speaker 3: I didn't see it, but it was so expensive and
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Speaker 3: I didn't have enough money to continue my studies. But
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Speaker 3: I really held that dream really strong in my heart,
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Speaker 3: and I continued my journey and with life forcing you
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Speaker 3: sometimes just to your knees, because we sometimes apply the
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Speaker 3: wrong solution to the wrong problem. And that's exactly what
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Speaker 3: I did, because I didn't want to listen. I didn't
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Speaker 3: feel safe to hear what was the pain that was
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Speaker 3: happening inside. Because my father was a clinically diagnosed sociopath.
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Speaker 3: He was a drug addict, self medicated, and he was
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Speaker 3: an alcoholic. And I was the only child, and this
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Speaker 3: man was not an easy person to live with. Thank god,
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Speaker 3: I barely saw him, so my exposure to him was
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Speaker 3: quite to the minimum. He would only be at home
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Speaker 3: in the morning for three minutes and then he's off
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Speaker 3: and he goes to work, and he goes to the pub,
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Speaker 3: and he's back two o'clock in the morning, and we
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Speaker 3: repeat the same pattern seven days a week. So, thank goodness,
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Speaker 3: my interaction with him was not a lot, but when
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Speaker 3: I did have it with him, it was very traumatic.
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Speaker 3: And my mom was the same. She was the peacekeeper,
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Speaker 3: so she kept me balanced. She created that fairy tale
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Speaker 3: lifestyle for me to just run free and do my
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Speaker 3: thing right. So, and when I started to fuel the
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Speaker 3: impact of my relationship with him, because I ended up
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Speaker 3: in abusive relationships, right, abuse is ended up what regulates you.
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Speaker 3: That's your lifestyle. It's not just a past event. It
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Speaker 3: becomes a lifestyle if you don't know any other way.
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Speaker 3: And one person once saw how I interacted with my
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Speaker 3: partner at the time in Australia and that month on Friday,
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Speaker 3: and that Monday, meaning how he interacted with me. Let
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Speaker 3: me just put it like that. We were at an event.
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Speaker 3: I was talking to people and he came to talk
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Speaker 3: to me, and she saw that how he behaved to
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Speaker 3: me perfectly normal interaction. But that Monday she came, she
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Speaker 3: sat next to me and she said, event, I'm so
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Speaker 3: sorry if I'm overstepping boundaries, but I really feel like
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Speaker 3: I need to say this because I can honestly see
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Speaker 3: that I feel that you are at the receiving end
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Speaker 3: of a very abusive relationship. Did you know that guy,
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Speaker 3: you could have knocked me over with a feather. You
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Speaker 3: could have knocked me over with a feather. But that conversation,
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Speaker 3: that that, that two three minute conversation was the awakening
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Speaker 3: because I said them thinks when she.
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Speaker 1: Said that to you, what did you? How did you respond?
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Speaker 3: I was in complete disbelief. I didn't know how to respond.
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Speaker 3: I said to her, thank you for caring about me,
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Speaker 3: and I'm going to digest this. And I didn't know
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Speaker 3: what else to say because I was flabbergasted, like it
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Speaker 3: takes a lot to live normal to Yeah, It's like,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, what's your problem? And you know, I but
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Speaker 3: she was such an well spoken, well educated, she carried
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Speaker 3: herself so beautifully it's hard not to respect her. And
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Speaker 3: when she said that, it knocked me for a sex,
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Speaker 3: let me tell you. And so I really started to
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Speaker 3: dive deeper, and I started googling more about abuse of relationships.
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Speaker 3: And then I'm thinking, oh my god, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: this is not normal. My life is not normal. And
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Speaker 3: the more questions I started to ask more I started
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Speaker 3: to create and just have awareness of living my life
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Speaker 3: in comparison, but in a healthy way. This time in
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Speaker 3: a healthy way, looking at other people's lives, looking at mine,
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Speaker 3: and that awakening for so strong that I realized I
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Speaker 3: didn't want to be in this relationship anymore. I didn't
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Speaker 3: want to live the life that I had anymore. I
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Speaker 3: didn't want to drink and smoke anymore. Because long story short,
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Speaker 3: because we don't we have. I would love to tell
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Speaker 3: you more, but I want to keep it Bullet points.
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Speaker 3: We often go into our default when we are on
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Speaker 3: our knees. I don't know if you've noticed that. We
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Speaker 3: go back to what we learned and what we copied,
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Speaker 3: often from mentors or parents. If we don't, If you
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Speaker 3: reach that point where you feel so severely depressed, so
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Speaker 3: severely anxious. Everything that you do is just making you
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Speaker 3: feel worse. Right, So that's exactly where I was, and
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Speaker 3: I started to cope in the way that I saw
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Speaker 3: my father coping, which was alcoholism sorted smoking a lot.
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Speaker 3: I was barely twenty two, and I was still really
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Speaker 3: good at my job. I had an excellent job. I
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Speaker 3: had three people's jobs. I made myself indispensable. They couldn't
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Speaker 3: fire me even if they wanted to, but not that
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Speaker 3: they would because I was a really good employee. I
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Speaker 3: worked really hard.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: That survival competitiveness really carried me through. However, I set
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Speaker 3: up my life in a way to not feel. I
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Speaker 3: set up my life in a way to avoid and
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Speaker 3: so I was using all these crutches to not feel
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Speaker 3: the distress and the trauma that I had from my
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Speaker 3: childhood and awakening to that. It was so intense that
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Speaker 3: I woke up one day, five o'clock in the morning
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Speaker 3: and I just said, what am I waking up for?
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Speaker 3: What is next? And the answer to that question is
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Speaker 3: just the same day even and then what is next?
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Speaker 3: The same day? And I'm thinking, I can't do that.
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Speaker 3: I just couldn't see myself of living that life anymore.
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Speaker 3: And this was a place where I would say the
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Speaker 3: dark Knight of the soul. I hit rock bottom and
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Speaker 3: just the trigger warning. This was where I decided I'm
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Speaker 3: going to just end it because nothing makes sense anymore.
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Speaker 3: And I didn't know how to move out of it.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know how to get out and what my life,
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Speaker 3: the relationship everything. I was a very angry person. Guy,
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Speaker 3: I was a very angry person. I used my anger
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Speaker 3: that I had towards my father as my gasoline. That
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Speaker 3: was my petrol, right, that moved me forward in life
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Speaker 3: to bring me back up when things would get would
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Speaker 3: go wrong. That corsal, that adrenaline was addicted to. It
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Speaker 3: was a drug to me, and it also exhausted me
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Speaker 3: at the same time. Right, it's exhausting to always be angry.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we try to find happiness, but we fight
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Speaker 3: for happiness. Well, sorry, you're in the wrong mind frame
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Speaker 3: and mindset to create happiness. That's the opposite polarity, running
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Speaker 3: in the opposite direction. You're never gonna get it right. So,
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Speaker 3: and that's exactly where I was stuck. And so I
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Speaker 3: was an atheist at the time. I was raised Christian,
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Speaker 3: and I just could not think even off turning to God.
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Speaker 3: I could not even think of counseling a psychologist or
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Speaker 3: you know any of that. I was just no, there's nothing,
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Speaker 3: nothing exists.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: So I sat there in front of the computer, just
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Speaker 3: after I left the voicemail on my manager's phone, leaving
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Speaker 3: all my passwords, all my projects, everything, so that I
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Speaker 3: don't leave everyone hanging, right, because I was not going
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Speaker 3: to be there anymore. Like I was. I was very serious.
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Speaker 4: I was.
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Speaker 3: I was done. And I sat there and just as
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Speaker 3: I wanted to google how to end it, I had
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Speaker 3: this voice that was it didn't sound like mine. It
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Speaker 3: had quite a masculine feel to it. And it's that
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Speaker 3: voice if you had to sit there and sing Happy
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Speaker 3: Birthday to yourself in your head without moving your mouth.
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Speaker 3: It exactly was like that type of dialogue. And something
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Speaker 3: came in and said, you're asking the wrong question. Now,
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Speaker 3: something tapped on my greatest strength, and that is discipline.
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Speaker 3: I'm a very highly disciplined and extremely determined person. That
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Speaker 3: my determination was pushed into building someone else's business instead
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Speaker 3: of focusing on my mental health. I had the drive,
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Speaker 3: I had the dedication, which is going in the wrong direction,
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Speaker 3: and that question came was, well, why are other people
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Speaker 3: happy and you're not? What is it that they're doing
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Speaker 3: that you're not? Long story short, I changed the search
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Speaker 3: bar and I typed in how to be happy? And now,
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Speaker 3: back then, way back then, do you know what came up?
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Speaker 3: Dorian Virtue, crystals, Neil Donald Walls, conversations with God. And
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Speaker 3: I sat there and I was in tears. And now
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking that this is God playing a game with me,
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Speaker 3: because this is now just an extra prank, your last
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Speaker 3: final prank. And I don't know, guy, if you can
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Speaker 3: relate to anyone else, But when you get to a
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Speaker 3: point where you feel so out of answers and you're
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Speaker 3: so unresourceful, who are we sometimes to question the solutions
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Speaker 3: that's in front of us. Just because we have a
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Speaker 3: negative association with it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going
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Speaker 3: to be something that might not be able to help you.
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Speaker 4: Right. I had trauma.
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Speaker 3: Associated with spirit with God, so of course there's a
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Speaker 3: natural aversion to it. And I decided to say, yes,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to dive into this. So it was nil
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Speaker 3: and I. It was nil and I for a while,
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Speaker 3: and it opened up my heart It opened up my
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Speaker 3: mind again, the beautiful way that he wrote these books,
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Speaker 3: and I started diving into you know, how do we
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Speaker 3: connect with these angels? How do I connect to crystals?
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Speaker 3: How do I play with all of this? And guy,
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Speaker 3: guess what? Three months later I quit my corporate job.
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Speaker 3: I quit my corporate job, and I started a person
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Speaker 3: development company. I found a business partner and went wildly successful.
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Speaker 3: There's the determined and discipline event just GOINGO. Right, I
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Speaker 3: did it?
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Speaker 1: So WOWND, it's a lot.
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Speaker 3: This is bullet point a lot.
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Speaker 1: Very intense, very intense.
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Speaker 2: Did you you said you didn't want to deal with
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Speaker 2: any therapists or anything like that, so you didn't seek
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Speaker 2: any kind of help in that way?
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Speaker 3: I did that involved spirituality, not traditional psychologists, because I
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Speaker 3: was thirteen when a psychologist said to me, I don't
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Speaker 3: know how to help you, and I never knew. I
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Speaker 3: never went back.
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Speaker 2: So, okay, did you share this with any friends or
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Speaker 2: anything that was going on going on or the trauma or.
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Speaker 3: At the time. I didn't have friends. I was working
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Speaker 3: so hard. I was such an angry person at the
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Speaker 3: time that I didn't I just didn't want to connect
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Speaker 3: with people. I didn't have time to invest in people.
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Speaker 3: When people to my thinking, God, what do you want?
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Speaker 3: What do you need? Right? So it was all about
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Speaker 3: people just wanting something from me. And of course that's
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Speaker 3: what happens in business. You have a job to do.
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Speaker 3: But I was working so many hours. And when I
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Speaker 3: say many hours, let me put it into perspective. We're
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Speaker 3: talking about at least eighty hours eighty plus hours a week.
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Speaker 3: That's a lot for corporate And I did that to
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Speaker 3: get out of the life that I absolutely hate it,
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Speaker 3: to get out of feeling because it gave me something
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Speaker 3: else to think about. And so when I started to
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Speaker 3: work on myself, this is where I started to connect
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Speaker 3: to people in community. Right, So I connected with people
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Speaker 3: in the community, I started building acquaintances. I think you
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Speaker 3: and I have different definitions of what friends are, but
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Speaker 3: I definitely had a lot of acquaintances, and so these
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Speaker 3: people also started to becoming friends later on after I
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Speaker 3: started the business. But connecting now to these people in
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Speaker 3: the community, you know, working back and forth with one another,
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Speaker 3: I started to develop this process where I kept hitting
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Speaker 3: a wall with us the techniques. It worked to a
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Speaker 3: certain point that I hit a wall and so I thought, okay,
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Speaker 3: So what is it that I need extra? And what
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Speaker 3: is it that I need to create extra so that
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Speaker 3: I can feel more supportive and heal more. So this
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Speaker 3: is how I ended up developing my own technique, which
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Speaker 3: is called metaphysical anatomy technique and it falls under the
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Speaker 3: meta psychology coaching banner. And this is where I really
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Speaker 3: started to take off. And so I started to share
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Speaker 3: this process with these other people and they started to
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Speaker 3: get really great results. And this is how it just
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Speaker 3: took off. Made a few videos, put it on YouTube,
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Speaker 3: and guy, it went viral. It went viral, and I
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Speaker 3: was booked out overseas for a year and a half.
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Speaker 3: And that's where my journey started.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it's wild, isn't it. Yes, it is wild.
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Speaker 1: I want to write this down here. All right.
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Speaker 2: So these books you were reading, it sounded like the
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Speaker 2: classic spiratory yeah books, Yeah, okay, what was it about
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Speaker 2: those books that got you, that spoke.
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Speaker 3: To you right to come back to me? Because all
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Speaker 3: my power was outside of me. I was constantly waiting
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Speaker 3: for my partner to make me happy. I was constantly
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Speaker 3: waiting for my job to give me fulfillment. I was
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Speaker 3: living on seventeen acres with the tennis court, with a jacuzzi,
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Speaker 3: in a six bedroom house with wallabies hopping around me.
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Speaker 3: And I wanted to end my life, like I really,
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Speaker 3: if you had to look at my life from outside,
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Speaker 3: you're like, well, what's your problem? What's your problem? Right? So,
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Speaker 3: my internal world was collapsing because everything was attached to
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Speaker 3: other people. And if people in circumstances is going to
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Speaker 3: regulate your nervous system, you're in for a wild ride.
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Speaker 3: Because people in circumstances are constantly going to change, They're
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Speaker 3: constantly going to fluctuate, and that means that your sanity,
19:53
Speaker 3: your inner peace, is going to consistently be disrupted. You
19:57
Speaker 3: will never find that balance. You will never find that
20:00
Speaker 3: inner peace. And I started to find my inner peace
20:03
Speaker 3: because it helped me to bring myself back to me,
20:06
Speaker 3: how to learn how to regulate myself, how to become
20:09
Speaker 3: my own source of support, how to call on my
20:12
Speaker 3: own power, remembering my divinity, remembering that I have a
20:15
Speaker 3: support team, I have spirits, I have these angels, the
20:18
Speaker 3: divine guidance that I can tap into. I never felt
20:23
Speaker 3: alone again.
20:25
Speaker 4: Were those beliefs that you would hold before but didn't
20:31
Speaker 4: honor or were these new beliefs that you developed.
20:35
Speaker 3: That's a great question. So as a child, I could
20:37
Speaker 3: speak to my spirit guides. They were fully connected. However,
20:41
Speaker 3: because of the wiring with going to church and my
20:45
Speaker 3: father and the trauma that I experienced with the Christian religion,
20:49
Speaker 3: that was rough. That's where I turned my back, because
20:53
Speaker 3: your mind is being infiltrated with all these toxic beliefs.
20:57
Speaker 3: God will punish you. God hates other you know, beings
21:00
Speaker 3: or statues. You know, you will be punished. And I
21:03
Speaker 3: feared God. I absolutely feared it. I feared anything spiritual.
21:09
Speaker 3: It would it would trigger fight, a flight fear in me,
21:12
Speaker 3: like very very severe. It took me, you know, I
21:15
Speaker 3: had to work through my relationship with angels and reading
21:19
Speaker 3: what Dori in Virtue said when she was still practicing
21:21
Speaker 3: at the time, about these divine beings, and this really
21:24
Speaker 3: softened me to hear someone else say these things, to
21:27
Speaker 3: see someone else and other people having these beautiful experiences.
21:31
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a world that I never tapped
21:33
Speaker 3: into because I'm from a church where they would walk
21:37
Speaker 3: around and arrest psychics sitting on the street doing readings
21:40
Speaker 3: for people. Right, So this this was a complete opposite
21:45
Speaker 3: flip side of the coin. How my life changed, and
21:49
Speaker 3: that beautiful opening made me feel safe again to step
21:54
Speaker 3: back into a world that I knew. But I had
21:57
Speaker 3: to relearn how to connect, how to feel safe, what
22:01
Speaker 3: is okay? What is not okay? So I really had
22:03
Speaker 3: to feel my way through it. And as I did that,
22:06
Speaker 3: my focus continued to stay with me. What can event
22:09
Speaker 3: What can I do to help and support myself during
22:12
Speaker 3: this process? Which tools can I apply to myself? Where
22:15
Speaker 3: I could feel and see the changes that came as
22:17
Speaker 3: a result of my own effort. Absolutely, here and there
22:21
Speaker 3: I touched on therapists for guidance and support. Absolutely, but
22:25
Speaker 3: I felt safer to work on myself because I knew
22:28
Speaker 3: that I would not let myself down.
22:31
Speaker 2: Let me just remind everyone, I'm speaking with doctor eve Rose.
22:34
Speaker 2: So you created your your own business. What was the
22:39
Speaker 2: purpose for that? What how did that come about?
22:42
Speaker 3: Because I saw the changes in myself and I said,
22:45
Speaker 3: everyone else has to feel this. These people who are
22:48
Speaker 3: on their knees thinking there's no solution. There is. It's
22:52
Speaker 3: hard to see a solution.
22:53
Speaker 2: Let's get specific, get specific about what you do. Now,
22:57
Speaker 2: how do you those changes with people?
23:01
Speaker 3: Great, there's a great question So now what I help
23:03
Speaker 3: people is, first of all, we need to learn how
23:05
Speaker 3: to feel safe again. One of the key challenges is
23:08
Speaker 3: the nervous system is not going to regulate itself if
23:11
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel safe. So we need to find that
23:13
Speaker 3: place of safety again. We need to find that place
23:15
Speaker 3: of balance and rewire it to not be attached to toxic,
23:20
Speaker 3: negative people. Number One circumstances, outcomes, goals. These are all
23:24
Speaker 3: complementary to your life. It compliments you. It shouldn't control you,
23:28
Speaker 3: shouldn't be dependent on that. And this is one of
23:32
Speaker 3: the main key points for me that I find when
23:35
Speaker 3: I work with people, that is the most important. Then
23:38
Speaker 3: we look at emotions, because emotions is the GPS of
23:42
Speaker 3: the soul. They are the ones that's going to tell
23:44
Speaker 3: you what you like, what you don't like, what's working
23:46
Speaker 3: for you, what's not when you're in pain, when you're
23:49
Speaker 3: in distress, when something is coming up, when something is
23:51
Speaker 3: being triggered, when something needs to be looked at. But
23:54
Speaker 3: we live such a high paced lifestyle that we don't
23:57
Speaker 3: want to feel anymore, We don't want to connect. But
24:00
Speaker 3: we need to be able to connect to feel what
24:02
Speaker 3: this message is so that we can decode what the
24:05
Speaker 3: body is trying to tell us, because now what we're
24:07
Speaker 3: all doing is we're applying the wrong solution to the
24:11
Speaker 3: problem because we don't understand what the problem is in
24:13
Speaker 3: the first place. So we become the hamster in the wheel.
24:16
Speaker 3: So I help people to learn to understand what is
24:19
Speaker 3: really truly the problem by learning and understanding what are
24:22
Speaker 3: different sensations, meaning what is the message of it in
24:26
Speaker 3: your body? What is your body trying to convey to
24:29
Speaker 3: you when you feel a certain emotion, What is your
24:31
Speaker 3: body trying to tell you? What do we need to
24:34
Speaker 3: do with that? What needs to happen next? Instead of
24:37
Speaker 3: shut up? Right, So it's more about asking what needs
24:40
Speaker 3: to happen next, that's the biggest question. So I help
24:44
Speaker 3: people to understand the impact of their emotions that it's
24:48
Speaker 3: that we don't need these emotions as a crutch anymore, right,
24:51
Speaker 3: because now we build all these coping strategies about around
24:55
Speaker 3: unresolved trauma, and as these strategies often also which is
24:58
Speaker 3: called self sabotage and second regains that we have a
25:01
Speaker 3: hard time letting go of. So it's about rebuilding these structures,
25:05
Speaker 3: this foundation to feel safe, not having to create hold
25:09
Speaker 3: on to these bypasses and how to create new healthy
25:14
Speaker 3: habits and ways of feeling emotions, working with them and
25:17
Speaker 3: working through them, and actually really just letting them go
25:20
Speaker 3: because a lot of people don't know who they are
25:22
Speaker 3: without their pain. A lot of people feel to the point,
25:26
Speaker 3: and I'm talking for myself now, where I felt like
25:28
Speaker 3: a victim. It was my identity. I had no idea
25:33
Speaker 3: who I was if I was not being a victim.
25:35
Speaker 3: It almost to the point became my superpower. Right, Oh,
25:39
Speaker 3: I'm in the victim mode now because that's how I
25:41
Speaker 3: get what I want. I'm a victor now because that's
25:43
Speaker 3: how it can set my boundaries. I'm a victor now,
25:45
Speaker 3: Yeah you can, you know you can. That vulnerability becomes
25:49
Speaker 3: a superpower. And so I had to relearn not just
25:53
Speaker 3: how to let go of this identity, but how to
25:56
Speaker 3: restructure my life into being an empowered person where I'm
26:02
Speaker 3: not blaming people, but I'm taking control of my life. Right,
26:06
Speaker 3: so helping people also who are stuck in that to
26:10
Speaker 3: move gracefully and gently with love out of that back
26:15
Speaker 3: into their powers. So it's really about how we associate
26:19
Speaker 3: with ourselves, our identity, how and the biggest challenge that
26:23
Speaker 3: I see with people when they try to heal is
26:26
Speaker 3: that they have a fear of change. They have a
26:28
Speaker 3: fear of the very thing that they need to embrace
26:30
Speaker 3: in order to create the outcome that they want. So
26:34
Speaker 3: I help people to work through fear of change as well.
26:38
Speaker 3: This is so important.
26:39
Speaker 1: Fear to have.
26:40
Speaker 2: I know, I think I felt myself in that statement
26:46
Speaker 2: that you.
26:47
Speaker 1: Just said, yeah, you know, wow. All right, So.
26:52
Speaker 2: Man, as we kind of wind down here, twenty one books, Jesus,
26:56
Speaker 2: how the hell do you have time to write twenty
26:57
Speaker 2: one books?
26:58
Speaker 3: Well, I had twenty one blips and blabs and blurbs
27:01
Speaker 3: in my life.
27:02
Speaker 4: Guy.
27:03
Speaker 3: Every book is about something that I went through, and
27:06
Speaker 3: I wrote there what I learned about it, and I
27:08
Speaker 3: also wrote in what I learned working with my clients
27:11
Speaker 3: as well, So it's it's a really nice blend of
27:14
Speaker 3: that as well. So you're pretty much reading my diary including,
27:18
Speaker 3: you know, adding other experiences that I had with clients
27:21
Speaker 3: and how I supported them through these processes as well.
27:26
Speaker 1: So who do you work with? Like, who's your idel client?
27:30
Speaker 3: That's a great question. So I am the kind of
27:33
Speaker 3: person that I rarely say no to people. I normally
27:37
Speaker 3: work with anyone who needs support. So to answer your question,
27:41
Speaker 3: I love helping people who are number one stuck, people
27:44
Speaker 3: who have trauma from the past. They don't want to
27:47
Speaker 3: go back to the past to heal it or relive it,
27:49
Speaker 3: which is what I designed my technique specifically to help
27:53
Speaker 3: people to not have to relive the trauma. You don't
27:55
Speaker 3: have to talk about it. And the most and the
27:58
Speaker 3: most famous part that people love the most is that
28:01
Speaker 3: they don't need to remember what it was. A lot
28:04
Speaker 3: of the times trauma was so traumatic they actually don't
28:07
Speaker 3: want to remember. Well, great, you don't need to We
28:09
Speaker 3: don't need to go back. We all know how memories
28:11
Speaker 3: can change. By the validity of a memory can change
28:14
Speaker 3: by fifty percent after recalling it almost five times, just
28:18
Speaker 3: five times change is the validity of an actual memory
28:22
Speaker 3: by fifty percent the accuracy of it. So I'm very
28:25
Speaker 3: I'm cautious of working with memories. We'll touch on it,
28:29
Speaker 3: but I'm more interested in how your body is feeling,
28:32
Speaker 3: what is stuck in the body, because that never lies.
28:35
Speaker 3: It never lies, Because what do you do now with
28:37
Speaker 3: instances that happened to people before the age of three.
28:40
Speaker 3: I mean, now we're talking about hardcore nervous system wiring
28:44
Speaker 3: right the right brain that to stop feeling you know,
28:47
Speaker 3: eye contact, what's your association with eye contact, what's your
28:49
Speaker 3: association with touch, what's your association with tone? You know,
28:53
Speaker 3: your vagual tone, and how did that develop? So all
28:56
Speaker 3: these points can now attach also to other traumas that
28:59
Speaker 3: develop as a child develops after the age of three, four, five, six, right.
29:03
Speaker 3: So it's a really beautiful process that I love because
29:07
Speaker 3: I love taking people back to what's called the theater
29:09
Speaker 3: brainwave state. And it's a gentle breath work that you
29:11
Speaker 3: can do by breathing in the nose and out the nose,
29:14
Speaker 3: because we're in the theater brainwave state from up until
29:16
Speaker 3: the age of three when we are being you know,
29:18
Speaker 3: we're programming the whole environment. And it's a beautiful method
29:22
Speaker 3: to go back to that state to also unprogrammed and
29:25
Speaker 3: to declutter in a very beautiful and gentle and graceful
29:28
Speaker 3: way as well. So it's absolutely incredible how we can
29:32
Speaker 3: work and how I love to work with people. So
29:34
Speaker 3: anyone also with grief, bereavement, divorce, you know, career challenges, pain,
29:41
Speaker 3: psychosomatic pain, chronic pain, maybe person has an element and
29:44
Speaker 3: they want to understand what is the emotional stress that
29:47
Speaker 3: could have led up to that or exacerbating it. So
29:50
Speaker 3: it can help people to manage that a lot better
29:52
Speaker 3: and more so. There's quite a lot that we can
29:55
Speaker 3: do and what I love to help people with.
29:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of your website, tell people what your
30:04
Speaker 2: website is.
30:05
Speaker 3: My website is Metaphysicalanatomy dot com.
30:10
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll have that link up here at the showman's
30:13
Speaker 2: page at the Trauma Theapist podcast dot com.
30:15
Speaker 1: And how do you.
30:17
Speaker 2: Work with people? Is it one on one? I'm consuming
30:19
Speaker 2: it's virtual.
30:21
Speaker 3: So absolutely, so I work with people virtually one on one.
30:25
Speaker 3: I'm also I have packages where people can book a
30:28
Speaker 3: private retreat with me, so you can come to Bali,
30:31
Speaker 3: Indonesia and we can work one on one. It will
30:34
Speaker 3: be fully customized to what your needs are and you
30:36
Speaker 3: can also go and travel and see you know, the country.
30:39
Speaker 3: And so we love to do workshops as well. I
30:41
Speaker 3: teach people how to understand messages in the body, and
30:44
Speaker 3: then I also teach a healing technique, which is the
30:45
Speaker 3: metaphysical anatomy technique, how to dive into the body and
30:49
Speaker 3: to release that trauma in a really gentle way where
30:51
Speaker 3: we dive into you know, introspection with interception, newer contagion,
30:56
Speaker 3: and there's so many beautiful processes that come together, or
31:00
Speaker 3: breath work, bilateral tapping. You've probably heard of that EMDR,
31:04
Speaker 3: but it's not actually that process, but it's a gentle
31:07
Speaker 3: blend that we borrowed from that as well. Poly vehicle
31:10
Speaker 3: is also involved. It's a really really gentle process that
31:13
Speaker 3: gives people also a lot of answers that they've been
31:16
Speaker 3: looking for inside of the body as well as really
31:19
Speaker 3: wonderful results. So that is how I work with people.
31:24
Speaker 1: Lastly, Evet, how would you.
31:29
Speaker 2: Differentiate your the work you do, the treatment you provide,
31:36
Speaker 2: healing you provide, how would you compare that to kind
31:40
Speaker 2: of normal psychotherapy. I know there's really not one type
31:46
Speaker 2: of psychotherapy, but how would you say yours is differentiating?
31:49
Speaker 3: That's a really great question. I mean, I am a psychologist,
31:52
Speaker 3: but I practice as evat so and it's hard to
31:56
Speaker 3: answer that question because I love what other people do
31:59
Speaker 3: in their pro so this is not to say who's
32:02
Speaker 3: better and who's not what I and this is feedback
32:05
Speaker 3: from people with just the statistics that we've been recording
32:08
Speaker 3: as well, and people that I've trained as practitioners, And
32:10
Speaker 3: what's coming back in terms of reports is that the
32:14
Speaker 3: work goes much faster, much much faster. So we've had,
32:18
Speaker 3: for example, sometimes not in all cases, but a lot
32:21
Speaker 3: of cases, will have success with depression in one session,
32:24
Speaker 3: will help someone with PTSD in an hour and a half. Right,
32:27
Speaker 3: So it's incredibly sped up. And I think when people
32:32
Speaker 3: ask me, why do you think that is one of
32:34
Speaker 3: the reasons what I did when I designed this process,
32:37
Speaker 3: And this is after working with all these thousands of people,
32:39
Speaker 3: you see what works, what doesn't. What does the body want?
32:42
Speaker 3: Not the mind, but the body, Because that's what's really
32:44
Speaker 3: important is that the body has a way of storing trauma,
32:51
Speaker 3: but it also has a way of how it wants
32:53
Speaker 3: it to be released. And what I see a lot
32:55
Speaker 3: of people do in processes is they peck at the body.
32:59
Speaker 3: They peck right, like breath work. I love breath work,
33:03
Speaker 3: but you know you can you can only breathe so
33:07
Speaker 3: much on one issue because maybe the body needs something
33:10
Speaker 3: else right now. You might do psychotherapy on a certain
33:14
Speaker 3: trauma and it works, it helps, but then it stalls
33:18
Speaker 3: because something else is needed. So I've learned what were
33:22
Speaker 3: these elements that constantly came up in the body that
33:26
Speaker 3: would cause the body to feel I need more, Well,
33:29
Speaker 3: what is that? More So I found the answers to that,
33:32
Speaker 3: and that's how I created this perfect script and this
33:36
Speaker 3: algorithm that the body wants and what it needs to
33:39
Speaker 3: follow to really gently and safely release.
33:47
Speaker 1: Amazing. I mean, you are on fire.
33:49
Speaker 3: I love what I do. I love it.
33:52
Speaker 1: You can feel it. I mean, it's it's it's incredible.
33:55
Speaker 2: You've got this intense passion for not only for what
33:58
Speaker 2: you do, but you can feel.
34:01
Speaker 1: I can feel how.
34:03
Speaker 2: You've taken almost like dragged your experience into the presence,
34:11
Speaker 2: able to use that in the work you do.
34:15
Speaker 1: It's very inspiring.
34:16
Speaker 3: Bless thank you. We'll be in touch, of course, all right,
34:23
Speaker 3: take care by everyone.