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Mental Health UNFILTERED · Pete Vs Anxiety!!!!!

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If you like what you see, use my code PETA, check out for 20 % off your first month, because I'm such a nice guy. With that being said, let's introduce my guest today. He is the lead singer, guitarist, and the producer of The Quarantine, the one, the only, the legendary Sean Martin is here. Sean, thank you so much for being here, man. I was so excited when you came across as a guest. Sean Martin: Thank you so much for having me. It's yeah, I've been looking forward to this podcast too. Pete "mental Health Champ": Hell yeah man. So Sean, why don't you tell everybody a little more about yourself. I know you have an interesting story, so let's get into it man. Sean Martin: Sure, well, as you said, I'm the executive producer, guitarist and vocalist for The Quarantined. We're a grunge punk metal band. Right now we're based out of Nashville. Right now we've just released an album called The Version to Normalcy, which we recorded at Blackbird Studios with a guy named Nathan Yarborough, who has probably worked on some of the... bands you may have heard of, Evanescence or Korn or Hailstorm. Pete "mental Health Champ": my God, yes. Corn for sure, man. As as you say corn, I'm like, yes, Sean, I know corn for sure, man. Sean Martin: Yeah, most, most of the people who are at least a little bit weird know these bands. so that's he's worked with a lot of my heroes, a lot of the, and to get into the, and Alison chains as well. cause we, talked a lot of, and there was a lot of, Pete "mental Health Champ": Yep. nice, hell yeah. Sean Martin: correlation between the kinds of studio techniques that Alison Chains is using and the stuff that we were using. So I was very nerded out and being like, my God, like this is the stuff that can't trail in them or even he's like, yeah, dude, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, well, all right. You know, so there's a lot of like little fanboy stuff that was definitely going on in the studio that I, that I had to try and hold back, you know, cause we're still working, we're still doing something, you know, so. Pete "mental Health Champ": Hell yeah. Right? Hell yeah, man. Right. Definitely agree. okay, okay. Sean Martin: I can't be all, know, chug the house about it. I gotta, you know, try to stay focused. But anyway, I digress. So, before I had gone to Musicians Institute in 2012, prior to that I was in the airborne infantry in Iraq in 2006. And I had been doing music, I guess we'll just go backwards in the timeline just for fun. And I started playing guitar when I was 12 and I did an opera when I was seven and I've been in community choir since I was four. So I've been doing music for a really, really long time. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely, man. I love the sound of the band, man. I've been listening to your stuff all morning. was like, yeah, I'm like, when I saw you on the schedule, it's like, hell yeah. I'm like, I remember this is now because I remember the email came in. Somebody had reached out to me about you being on the show and I was like, I love musicians for that one reason. Just because music has been a big thing as well, man. We've had some other musicians on the show throughout the other seasons of it, you know. So as soon as your name came across, I was like, hell yeah, let me go check him out. You know, it's like, yeah, definitely. Yeah, hell yeah, for sure. And I love getting musicians' perceptions because music is such a big thing for people, especially with us with mental health. It describes the way a lot of us feel, you know? And there'll be a question coming up later on that I'll ask you that has to do music related to O'Shawn. So I'll be interested in your opinion on it. know, music's always been a big thing for you, though, obviously, man. So when you started this project, what was your inspiration? I know what I know a little bit about is a lot of your PTSD and all that kind of stuff, know, way to express yourself, man, which I think is really great, honestly. Sean Martin: Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so this band started because, generally speaking, I didn't know what the hell was even happening to me. And I figured, so it was kind of like a two pronged sort of problem. Pete "mental Health Champ": Okay. Sean Martin: I had been just, you know, going through Musicians Institute, I had been with a whole bunch of different bands, all of which had like imploded just because of band dynamics. And so I thought I'm going to write some songs myself. And when I sat down to write some songs myself, I sat right and confronted with all of the shit that I didn't want to confront. And I'm like, well. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Yeah. Sean Martin: this seems like a good subject matter if anywhere if I'm gonna start, you know, might as well talk about the things that make me pissed off the things that make me why I don't understand the world. Why none of this seemingly makes any sense. At least that's where it started from. From trying to address and give a place to the confusion, the rage, the anger, the lonesomeness, the morose stuff, the sort of... Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Sean Martin: the dire consequences that result from hard questions that have non-direct answers. These are the complexities of life that I want to represent in life. These are things in life that I want to represent in music. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Yeah, definitely. No, man, it's just awesome, though. It's great to get musicians on here because it's so interesting to hear the stories behind the songs and things like that, too. You know, and it's great because I mean, another guy from Minnesota, he was using music as therapy for other people, too. He had made this song with this 12 year old girl named Delilah that she unfortunately took her life 12 hours later. But the story was that Sean, he had sat there and talked, Joseph had talked to this girl. And he knew that she had something wrong there. So he gave her music as an outlet. So when I seen that the person reached out on your behalf had said the same thing, I was like, I love it because I think it's great. You know, the health and music go hand in hand. I've had other bands on here such as Life Loss. Alive in Stone has been on here. The what is I've had Pretty Suspect has been on here. We had the lead singer, Pondkirk, come on and we found out she dealt with mental health issues, too. Lucy is actually a good friend of the show. She plans on coming back when she's in a better state of mind. But, you know, we found out more about her. So it was so interesting to hear, you know. that, you know, when music and mental health started coming up a lot, was like, you know, I love mental, I have mental health issues. Music's the best way to describe it for people, you know, and I listen to everything, like I'll listen to everything possible. know, punk hit real hard with me because I like, you know, anti-flag, smoke or fire. The Sex Pistols were the early on ones. The Ramones were probably my first introduction to punk itself because my stepmom was a big like, you know, alternative. She listened to a lot of other stuff outside of the box and normal things, you know, like my mom listened to Billy Joel versus my stepmom. who listens to the Ramones and all these other things. know, it's like my first taste of punk was that, you know, then I dived in that a lot of bit. Then I went to alternative, know, Alice in Chains was a big one for me as well. And things like that. Kiss was big for me. You know, then I digressed to corn. And then I found out my mom had said when I was in high school, my stepmom came in room, saw the poster and goes, hey, I know those guys. I'm like, what guys are we talking to exactly? She says, those guys on the wall right there. like, you've met them? She goes, yeah, we were, and your sister broke down in Kansas. Their tour bus came by and stopped and they got off the bus and they helped us. I'm like, I'm dying on the floor. I'm like, what? Hold on. What? Wait a minute. What? What is going on here? Hold on. She's like, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, man. They're real nice guys too. I'm like, wait, this is joke, right? She was serious too, Sean. She was like, yeah, oh yeah. I'm like, huh? And I love Korn. Korn's been a big one for me. I like Marilyn Manson. I listen to everything, honestly, man. I don't really. Sean Martin: you Ha ha ha ha ha. Pete "mental Health Champ": really worried too much when people think about it. Listen, I listen to everything. Like, if it's a good tune, it sounds good. I'll listen to it. know, country music is not as big for me, but I'm more the more the rock, the metal guy, the punk guy. I listen to all that kind of stuff. You know, Let Me Bleed has been one of the newer bands I've been checking out. Your band has been one of the ones I've been listening to lately as well, because like I said, I started checking your stuff on. I really liked it. I've been telling people about it like, hey, man, you got to check this band out. So I'm the guy always sharing music with other people. I'm like, yo, I've got to try this out, man. Check it out and things like that. So it's cool when you get like, like I said, the musician aspect. of things. you know, like, what was the inspiration behind most of your songs? Is it like a lot of your journey itself through your mental health issues? Sean Martin: yeah, it was, it was, was, yeah. I mean, it was that, it's also a recognition of, society. I, I'm kind of like to take the Scooby Doo approach to things when I approach the unknown. I want to trap them down, tie them down, and then unmask them and be like, who the, who the hell are you? What are you doing here? Why? You know, Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Sean Martin: so that's the things that I like to do with the, with my fears and that's how I like to treat those kinds of things. So I like to write songs about that, that process in discovering and uncovering about the people in your life. sometimes the enemy is yourself facing up to your, your own things. Taking accountability is a big part of, of mental, of mental health and finding your way towards acceptance out of grief. you know, these So representing these positive sign posts along the way was also something that I wanted to put in the songs, especially in Nemesis Friend of Mine. Anybody who's gone through the five stages of grief should be able to be like, there's one, there's one, there's one. And then at the end, we get to acceptance with the main lines. I'll never go back to that Nemesis Friend of Mine. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sean Martin: You know, so, so it's, it's giving up letting go in order to accept the future. And in that, is, is the difficult choice that we have to make when we go through grief. It's not an easy choice. It never is, but the process is similar. And when we share that process together, it becomes easier because then we can understand I'm not the only one it's there's other people who can offer wisdom. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Sean Martin: through these things that I don't just have to go about it, just what I see and perceive. That objective perspective can help make a seemingly impossible situation something that becomes manageable. Pete "mental Health Champ": Definitely, definitely. So Sean, you know I'm going have to ask you this question. What are your top five bands? Sean Martin: of all time. Pete "mental Health Champ": All time man, let's hear it man. I'm curious now. I'm really curious to know Sean Martin: I'm gonna say, number one is Led Zeppelin. Pete "mental Health Champ": Okay, okay. Sean Martin: We're, well, okay, so we'll say bands from. from the 60s and up to now. Okay. Pete "mental Health Champ": Okay 60 up to 9 doesn't matter. Like I said whatever ones you feel are on that list I'd love to know. I'm interested. Sean Martin: Yeah, I'd say Led Zeppelin. I can listen to... Pete "mental Health Champ": Anything modern? Anything modern you like these days? Sean Martin: I can listen to what? Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, lots of stuff I like modern. Muse, Hailstorm, Pretty Reckless, 21 Pilots. Pete "mental Health Champ": Okay. Okay. Good choices, alright. Sean Martin: there's, you know, it took a long time for it to rub off on me, but Avicii, like I started to recognize that this dude's actually got some pretty good songwriting put together. Like I didn't like that. He put everything in like a techno EDM context, just cause I don't really, it's not the thing, but I could still hear and I want to cover some of the stuff that he produced. So I'm like, damn, you know, Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be kind cool see. I love cover songs, man. A good cover song is always good because it's always interesting to see what your perspective is of how you interpret the song to be. You know what mean? Like, it's always interesting because like, Let Me Bleed did the cover of, what is it, Bring Me to the Horizons, Ten Statues That Bleed Blood. I absolutely cannot get enough of that song. The guy, lead singer of that band, Eddie, is actually on TikTok. And I message him all the time here and there. When I asked him about season two of the show, I said, Hey, Eddie, I said, Hey, can I use one of your songs for my intro? And he said, yes. And I was losing. I was like, shit, yeah, let's go. Because like and then he dropped that. I was just like, holy shit. I'm like, I've heard the original song and then he came out with more of an acoustic sounding one. And I was like, no, this is this is dangerous. I played that song on repeat for hours on end. I was like, my God, it was so good, though, you because I'm a big acoustic guy. So like Stain was big for me. you know, Rage Against the Machine was another big one for me too. I liked that style, you know, that Tom Morell brought, you know, he's just laying it out like that. Papa Roach was a big one for me as well. like I said, Korn was a massive one. Marilyn Manson dipped in a little bit because I did like a lot of his stuff that he brought out. Seven Dust is another big one I really enjoyed. you know, if we go even older, I go like Green Day. Green Day was always great because like my brother's CD collection, man, I was picking through that thing, digging out some of the stuff that he had in there, you know, and he had all them different ones. And then Sean Martin: Yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": He was more big and where it was like, you know, we are giants and all the other like mighty, boss tones and stuff would kind of fall in a little bit too. So I liked the mighty, mighty boss tones a lot. And they fall in that category as well. So, you know, and it was great too, because I was listening to yours and I'm like, dude, he sounds like somebody else. I've not put it down yet, but I'm usually pretty good at linking songs up to feel like, you know, he sounds similar to someone else, you know, and I can, for the life, he cannot put it on my finger. And I know I've heard your sound a little bit somewhere, but it's like, you know, like what a lot of musicians say that, you know, imitation is the best form of flattery. And a lot of guys borrow a lot of other people's music sounds and things like that too. We explored with Alex from Alive in Stone, was like, yeah, you borrow a lot of different things from other people, but you're paying homage to them when you're doing it because you're making it, hey listen, I love their sound, so I want to kind of sound slimmer to that a little bit, and things like that too. Sean Martin: Yeah. And you want to find that balance between paying homage and still doing it your own. younger, my guitar teacher when I was much younger told me, when I was asking him about doing covers, exactly this kind of question. And he was like, I'll tell you this. Everybody has walked the same music roads that you know. Everybody has walked it. But. Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Sean Martin: When you walk down a particular path and choose that you're going to play this particular song, only you has played it in this space and this time, because that's what music is. It's sound decorating time. So when you choose to do it your way in that moment, nobody's ever done that before. Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah, see, that's what I feel about the Let Me Bleed song, the cover he did of the, you know what I mean? The same thing. He's right, though, because think about it. It wasn't done like that originally. Their song originally was a different, know, and a lot of people's, sounds mature. It depends, you know, when you like Stane, they've evolved over time. Their sound has changed a lot. Lewis's, you know, sound changed as he started getting older and things like that, too. You know, and it's I think it's an interesting point of view, though. I mean, when you decide to finally do it, it'll be that's it. This is your cover of that. Well, you know, everybody does them. Sean Martin: So yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": You know, these days everybody's doing them. know, what was it? The most recent one did the goofy movie song, the 121 song. is it? Magnolia Park just did the re did the cover of that one and they did really good with it too, you know. So it's always interesting to see. Or the guys of the UK, what was it? The the punk rock factory guys, they were doing like Disney cover songs and things like that too. So it was interesting to hear, you know, their their perspectives of songs. It was so cool to see, like, wait a minute, it's really cool. Then they went to TV show themes and they started doing all those too and things like that too. So I'm looking forward to see what you come out with, man. I love the album so far. I've been listening to it myself here. Like I said, I play it here and it's in my play rotation now. You know, when you make my play rotation, means you made it there and I'm sharing it to everybody like, hey, listen, we tried this, you know, and I'll use the I'll use the clip when I get it like TikTok clips and things like that. They'll start adding it in there. It'll start coming up, trust me, because it's going to start popping up really quick and I'll be tagging in them. Look, Sean, I'm using your song over here, you know, and things like that, too. but it's so cool, though, man, because like you went from playing music to now you're making music. And it's like when people come to you and say, Sean Martin: Yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": Sean, I really appreciate what you're doing. I love it. So, you know, it has to be a great feeling though. It's like you're writing a song about how you're feeling, but it relates to other people because that's the thing at the end of the day is you're trying to touch one person's heart. And if you do that, that's it. You've already won. And you've got a mass amount of downloads over here. You know, I'm looking at some of your songs and I'm like, you know, people are loving what they're hearing, man. So it's great, though. Sean Martin: Yeah, thank you. mean, you hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have said it better myself, man. I mean, yeah, like that, that is the mentality and it's so great to see, see the reaction to it. And it's so great to see it continue on. also knowing that this is just the beginning. We've still got so much more visual marketing to do. and so many different things that we, that we can do with it. And I just, it's, it's very cool that nowadays, you know, before they would say like, the release, it's the release day. then. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Sean Martin: You know, we hope that the rest of it goes before, but after a while it's got a shelf life and you just need to shut the hell up about it after a while. Not anymore. That's not how the world works anymore. Now, once you release it, it becomes an asset, a long-term asset. Then when you think of it like that, like a house, how are you going to market a house? Well, you can put an Airbnb in it. You could do a, or a Verbo, or you can do all these different, different ways, put it in different contexts and different lights. Pete "mental Health Champ": No. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sean Martin: that make it, you know, something that can do something for you economically, but also that's so much more powerful that when you're writing it, it becomes that bastion of what it is and everything that you put into it, when it translates and other people see it and hear it. mean, that's when I know that I truly succeeded. So all of the rest of it is just, you know, cherry and whipped cream on top of the Sunday, but the Sunday is Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Sean Martin: when the ice cream of it really is, when I make that connection and when people see it and feel it, then I know that I succeeded. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Yeah, no, I feel that too. You know, nowadays things are way differently, you know, I like the way people do it now, though, they release it song by song versus like, well, here's the album just dropping on you. They're just kind of giving you a little taste of it. Like, hey, listen, this is what's coming. And you're like, well, fuck, I want more of this now. So now you're waiting for the next song to come out. So I like how music evolved, though, because now there's so many different places to find it. You'd be on TikTok and these are the you know, everybody cringes when they hear TikTok. But I'm like, dude, you don't understand. TikTok is a marketing tool like crazy. Sean Martin: Really? Pete "mental Health Champ": these guys on there use your sound and people are hearing it. It's over. That's it. Like people start playing it and everything else. And then you can share it different ways, the whole different ways. Hell, I didn't even know Spotify, you can share music amongst each other. Until the other day when I figured that out, was like, sweet, here we go. Let's start sending songs back and forth to each other. You know, it's pretty cool nowadays because I could send it out to the people. Hey, listen, check this out. Or I like to make mental playlists for people and just add different songs in there for people to tell them how I'm feeling because, Sean Martin: Yes. Pete "mental Health Champ": Like I said, music is just a big thing for me. I'm always constantly listening to something or listening to a podcast or something like that. You know, but most of the time, usually it's music. I'm turning music on. I'm at work working on something. I'm in the back doing something, you know, and a friend of mine, she likes the cooler concert series. I'll send her snaps where I'm singing the songs of other people. And she's just laughing at me the whole time. She's like, this is the greatest thing ever I've seen in my life. I'm like, I just love music. I'm like, listened to it all. Like I said, latest rotations, the quarantine is made into the rotation. Let Me Bleed is in there. Sean Martin: You Pete "mental Health Champ": Life's Lost is there now. The new, what is it, the Alone in the Dark by Moseless and Whitey in there now. I like Swako is in there now too, his new song. He's got a really good one too, Enemy, and then the other one he did for the Scream 7 soundtrack is really good. So like I mix up my stuff, but I go back to like Tonic. Oh God, I love Tonic. Goo Goo Dolls are one of my favorites of all time, you know? And it shocked people when I tell them that. I'm like, dude, I love the Goo Goo Dolls, know? John Rensnick, the way he wrote songs is just great, you know? So I was looking, I'm like, okay, here's the test for Sean's band. How good can his slow song sound? And I went down the line to one of the lesser ones. That's a slower jam. I was like, uh-oh, that's it. Sean's in the list now. Because like, if you can nail that, like, because I love Cold. Cold had a lot of real soft songs, you know, but that's just how they built up and things like that. You know, and to me, it's like, if you can go both ends of the spectrum, you've already won me there. And then the acoustic is really where I'm at. You know, like I like acoustic Bush and all these other kinds of stuff. And it's always... Sean Martin: Yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": All these different bands that you hear all the time is great because then I can share it with my kids and they're like, what are you listening to? You know, because now my music is considered the oldies now and I'm like, it still makes me laugh. And I'm like, I'm always discovering new bands and where I'm at. I'm always on TikTok and stuff. And that's where I find a lot of new bands. And that's how I met Alex from Alive in Stone, Tannis from Life's Lost, who's been on the show as well. Lucy Leroy from Haunter, she came on as well. I met her through Instagram and things. And I'm always constantly looking for new stuff. Sean Martin: you Pete "mental Health Champ": So like when the email came through for like, listen, I got this guy you got to meet. Sean is in the band, the quarantine. I instantly go and check it out. Cause I'm like, you know, I got to listen to this, see if it's something I like or not. And I loved it, man. Like I said, I I'm a big pop punk guy, punk, punk falls into category, rock falls in metal falls in all the categories. You're all the notes of everything I want, man. So I'm ready to see what else comes out down the road too, man. It's cruelty. Cause then I can say, you know, Hey, I had this guy on my show, which, know, I can say for a lot of people have had on this show. It's really cool though, I get to meet the person behind the music because you don't really get those opportunities ever, man. So it's so cool that you're here though, because you get to hear the inspiration behind it. Which is leading me to this question though. So normally I wait to ask this question, Sean, but I want to ask you now and see what your opinion is. So if you could break the stigma about mental health. Now, when I ask you this question, I'm asking you from the sense of something you're tired of hearing people say. What would you say that one thing is you want people to stop believing? Sean Martin: I would say that I, that PTSD is based around fear. The classic joke is that, you scared the shit out of me. I'm going to get PTSD from that, you know? And I've, I've heard everybody do it. It looks celebrity. I've even done it myself because I knew that the joke would hit. However, it is entirely incorrect. PTSD is not about fear. Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Sean Martin: PTSD is about your nervous system going off. one of the things that it can take you to is fear. That's just one of the 31 flavors. So it's important to recognize that that, that, that concept that we have a PTSD is actually entirely incorrect. And the advocacy that has been, that we've been trying to do for it has kind of been derailed by that. So, because it's given people a false idea about what it actually is. we've gotten really far in that people understand about PTSD and when you say PTSD, people don't go, PTA, what? Because that was the law. Long time. yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Yeah, because it used to be called shell shock. You're right, because it used to be called shell shock. They only thought it happened only to military people. There's a whole line behind that thing, you know. And you're right, that applies to mostly everything mental. Think about it, narcissists comes up all the time. you're going to, you know, I'm going to be narcissistic. You're so narcissistic. It's like, you don't even know what that word means. People throw it around. They don't even have an idea what the word means. You know, but like we can laugh about it, though. But at the same time, people think those jokes are messed up. I'm like, but really, it's not. If you can't laugh at yourself, why? Why? You know what mean? I met a comedian named Dave Murray. That's literally what he teaches people how to laugh at their own mental health. Me and Dave made some fucked up jokes that hour, but me and Dave got it though at the same time. We were making jokes that we understood completely. You're like, oh, I joke about PTSD with people, but in all seriousness, y'all gotta quit this shit. It's a little annoying because you're all making jokes of it, but you don't understand what it is. And somebody's gone through it, and I've gone through it too. I've had one of those moments. It's like... It's nothing like you would think it is, you know, and I think that's the same thing goes for lot of mental health conditions, you know, like people don't know what BPD goes to. Oh, that's bipolar. I'm like, no, borderline personality disorder is way different than bipolar. Trust me by far. You know, saying you could apply to any of those in that same situation. But I think your message there was very strong, though, because I think you can apply it to a lot of things. Like I said, narcissists get thrown on an awful lot. And I'm like, do you really know what a narcissistic person's like? Because you have no idea. It's same thing with OCD. Like OCD, I met somebody on the show that was OCD and I was like, it was interesting to watch because like the mannerisms you're watching them do is, it's different than what you would think, you know? And the same thing with, what is it? Tourette syndrome. Okay. So Tourette syndrome is an interesting one. Now I met a gentleman who runs a podcast who's talking about his life and his journey with Tourette syndrome, but it's nothing like you would think, you know? Like everybody thinks it's the nervous tics and things like that. Little did we know when Kevin came on, he had explained to us, that only 10 % of people that are diagnosed with that actually deal with those kind of ticks. Like the little weird mannerisms you see, like Deuce Bigelow, where the lady in the crowd's sitting there yelling out weird things all of a sudden. He said only 10 % of those people actually deal with those kinds of things. And I thought it was interesting because it's like, everybody associates it with that one thing. Oh, no, you're like, you're going to start saying weird things. No, that's not how it works though. It's not like that for most people. In Kevin's perspective, it was a whole different story about what he had dealt with. And Kevin was like, no, this is not what it's like. Like you've got this all wrong. Like we're, we're not that 10 % in there that you see on television. Cause I think they were talking about, God, what is it? Some TV show where they were, they were, they were featuring some of the head threats that had those little outbursts and have those weird little manualisms that, know, it's, it's the same thing applied to everything else. Like, like, you know, with PTSD used to be called shell shock, same thing with multiple personality disorder. Now it's dissociative identity disorder or something like that. But people like didn't really understand that one either. But if you watch Split, it's probably the best representation of it, though. You think about it, because you're watching this guy, everybody's switching the chairs. And I've met somebody that had it before, man. And Sean, it was an interesting conversation with her, needless to say. Like, if you didn't know what to watch for, you didn't really notice her personality changing a little bit, because it's only little tweaks. Like, her mannerisms have changed. She, like, get real serious all of a sudden, and you're just, watching her. And it's interesting to watch, you know, doing this show. Over 300 plus interviews now just different people have talked to man It's it's interesting because everybody has a different perspective on how PTSD affects them and things like that as well You know, so I think your point there is very valid when you say that Sean Martin: Thank you. Yeah. You know, and that's, it's very bring up a very interesting thing. And that is the, the, the ubiquitous universal knowledge about psychology is not very high across. there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of, of baseline information being taught. Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm. Yeah, exactly. Sean Martin: at a level where it doesn't become like conspiracy theory, you know? it's like, the stuff that I heard because of this one time with this guy, like it's very, very like black market knowledge. Psychology needs to be, needs to start being taught at like middle school level. we need to start giving people a basic understanding of the brain and the mind as a separate organ. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're thinking of the brain and your subconscious really Sean is what you mean. The subconscious, whole a different thing, but I know what you mean though. But you know, yeah, the subconscious is a scary place because that's where a lot of stuff happens in it though. You know, we've, we've had a few people come on that are neurologists that have come on and we've talked about these things and neuroscientists have been on and things like that. We've explored that area too, where we are talking about your subconscious. Like a lot of people think that everything happens in the forefront of your brain, but really the subconscious. Sean Martin: the same way that you would treat your heart or anything else. Yes. Pete "mental Health Champ": is where a lot of that shit goes on. It's a scary place, man. Like once you start digging into what the brain can do, you're, woo, it's scary. Cause I had a conversation with a neuroscientist about, you know, negative self-talk. She was saying that they just recently discovered in the time of the interview that another part of your brain actually controls all that kind of stuff, which is fascinating to know because it's interesting to hear that cause I didn't know that until I talked to her. And the fact that the conversation continued is like, she didn't make you feel dumb at any point, which is great. But I think you have a great point there again with the psychology, or maybe better understanding of mental health to start explaining to some of these younger kids what they're looking at and like, listen, if you start experiencing some things, you know, maybe say something to somebody so we can get you some help sooner before this thing turns into something even worse than it could have been, you know? And I think that's the hard part is, know, with that, it's just like, you people don't want to emotionally regulate these kids at a younger age, which I don't understand why. Why not teach them what these feelings are? Let them understand, hey, this is what you're feeling. Sean Martin: Yes. Pete "mental Health Champ": and give it a name, you know, and a lot of times they say that, you know, when kids are sexually assaulted, though, two interesting fact is that the reason you teach them how to identify their genitalia, what it is, is that in case they were to interview a kid, they can only interview him three times. Now, if they talk to him, they can't identify what that is and they can't help him, but they can identify, they'll be better prepared. You know, same thing with emotional regularity would be great is if we teach them at a younger age, we don't have to teach them a lot. We just teach them enough and start building up to them as they get older, obviously. apply to what grade level we're talking to at the time, but give it some kind of thing so they understand what they're dealing with these emotions that way. When they're adults, they have a different perspective on things like that. Sean Martin: Absolutely. Yeah. And it can, that in itself, you can start to train the stigma into becoming a train, the stigma out of the teachings. You can start treating it like a triage mentality of health, the same way that you would treat a nurse. how do you differentiate when someone says my arm hurts behind a bruise and a broken arm? Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sean Martin: How do you discern that? That normally comes later on in high school when they're doing first aid and stuff. So the same things should apply, but they still have to know what a broken arm is at a younger age because maybe they've experienced it before. So then a medical professional will then explain to them what's going on. And that's the small little bit of exposure to medical ideas or anything, you know, having to do with that. And so when, if nothing happens in mental health, Then that frame of reference becomes even smaller. then this is so it, without us as a society building a framework to talk about mental health, and without this factor, and make it more of a describing and organizing description to, to give people a real sense of, of what is going on is so important. Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Sean Martin: And because like you, like you said, dealing with people with, um, or at least just talking with people with multiple personalities, you don't recognize it's not some big major thing. It's not like Jim Carrey. It's, you know, it's very much so those small things. And I have a friend who actually, um, lives around me and they have multiple personalities. And for me, I'm like, I've done acting training. I love doing accents. I love doing like, you know, doing characters and references to old movies and stuff. Um, Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. yeah, definitely. Sean Martin: And I didn't. Right. Right. But I. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. You're right in my alley, Sean. Movies are right there, man. Yep. Sean Martin: So so this one of his personalities takes on a New York accent. And so when he did that, I started doing my New York accent and then it contributed more to his leg. And I didn't even realize what was going on. He told me about it later and I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I had no I didn't even know I was doing it. And he was like, no, but it was like one of those things where in the back, the other dudes were like, what the hell, Pete "mental Health Champ": okay. Yeah. Right exactly Sean Martin: But the guy in the front was like, yeah, dude, this dude's talking my language. He must be from where I was, even though I just told them that I was from California. The other guy assumed, you know, so, so like when he was describing those mental processes to him, like, that makes a lot of sense. It's not like this, you know, it's not like there's always chaotic thing. It can be. But there are different degrees to this stuff, and it's important to to understand them that way. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah, that's funny. Sean Martin: You can give it the space to where to where it can be and you don't have to like You know try to avoid it because it's you can't just avoid people all the time. That's that's not how We really build a good society Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you make people feel different and you know, yeah, yeah, no, I agree. It's just weird. It happens way too much. Like people have on this show, my cohost and my side project I do called Voice of the Voiceless, she and I, when we originally met, she has schizoaffective disorder and it gets really complex fast from there. She was like, I was on 18 medications. I'm like, hold up, 18? She's like, yeah, I was taking like 18 of these pills and I'm like... Like you had to be cycling side effects like the dishwasher spins, man. Like, wait, what? Hold on. Like I love Maddie, that's real sweetheart. But when she told me that story, I was just like, what the hell is going on? You know, in like in this show, it's been interesting because day one when I started this thing, I was like, I was wondering why people weren't having this conversation. Like, like, where are people talking about? Like all the doctors could talk about it. OK, cool. But where are the regular people just talking about it? Like I have no background training whatsoever. I was just a person who was generally curious when I started this and I started my own journey. When I went through this thing, I started booking people and I started bringing in people and the stories just kept getting more interesting. I was like, damn, now I'm hooked. I want to know more. And the show just kept taking off. Like in the first two months, I had this show booked all the way out to the end of the year of 2024 when I first started this thing. And it was crazy to see that when I hit mid November, I'm out to July of 2025 with people and I'm talking just a Monday, just one Monday, 10 a.m. time slot. I was doing weekly live shows on a network I was a part of, you know, and it was just like, this is crazy how bad people, how many people want to talk about this? Like I was just, this is insane, you know, because when I first posted it, 150 responses came in and I was losing my shit. I'm like, what? Hold on, I got to sort through all these things, you know? And then when I, I implemented a digital calendar, it just went off and I was like, oh. Okay, this is interesting. So then I started getting people from all over the world, man. I've had people as far as Australia on the show, which actually one of my good friends, she runs a podcast too, out there that I met, you know, but it's been interesting. get emails all the time from people like, hey, listen, I this episode so and so, so people are listening to this, they want this, you know, and it's just been crazy, man. It's the opportunities that just keep coming. We just hosted the author, Gemma Correll here a few weeks ago. She is like a million followers. She just wrote a book about anxiety called Anxiety Land. where she had wrote her own story, but she did it in a cartoonist way that she does it and her own style. It was really interesting because she like pictures everything, how everything is, you're experiencing things like that. It was really cool, you know. So like this show is taken off since day one, man. So like it's been pretty crazy to see how many people want to talk about this, because that was the goal originally. And then the stories you hear of these people sharing their stories on the Internet, it's just it's horrible. Like Maddie was like they were telling Maddie, go to the mental hospital. You're crazy. And she's like, newsflash, I've already done all these things, guys, too late. You're already telling me things I already know. And I'm just like, God. And then this past season we just wrapped up, I had this woman come on the show and told me she was sexually assaulted and then people were making fun of her. So in this interview, I turned to the camera for five minutes. I go off. like, this is some fucking horseshit. I'm just going mad. I'm like, I'm pissed. like, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you people. Why are you picking on this woman and making fun of her for being assaulted? She didn't ask to be. raped or any of these other things that happen. Nothing she asked for these things. You know what I mean? So the conversation has just gotten out of hand with these things, you know, but I feel like the internet can be our friend and be our enemy at the same time. You know, I feel like too many people don't use it for the right thing. Like, like we could have such a bigger impact on mental health instead of allowing these things to happen. You know, if you think about all these school shootings, think about the first thing they say is what was he posting online? well, he was posting these crazy comments and they, okay, so then why aren't you policing your site? Facebook's response, well, I don't want to, they don't want to do it. But then recently they've had to now start policing their own site. I'm like, well, it's about time you started doing something. Because if they're posting these very disturbing posts, let's get these people some help before something like this unfortunately happens. don't, all these things that happen, we could have possibly prevented, possibly I say, because we don't know if we could have. But you know, just like this, a lot of this stuff goes back to their posting really interesting things on Facebook about these things that they're saying, these wild statements, or, know, they're going on TikTok and you got people on TikTok, they're sharing information that God needs to stop talking, please, and stop sharing things, you know what mean? It's just scary, man. It really is out there. Sean Martin: Absolutely. And you know, you, you bring up a very, a very good point. There's, there's gotta be, you know, a way to, to categorize and have the response reflect the result that you want. do this in just about everything else. If we hear of a, from a nine one one call and they say the reason why they, they, they don't ask you who you are is not the first question they ask. They ask, what's your emergency? Pete "mental Health Champ": Exactly. Sean Martin: Because it's getting directly to the point of the reason why you're calling them. Right. So we need to start having that kind of a, a, the people, personnel and response to those kinds of situations to start bringing reality in when it's obviously being demonstrated that it hasn't sunk in yet and giving people a, not a Pete "mental Health Champ": Mm-hmm. Exactly. Sean Martin: You're this punishment, but this is what, what you're saying. This is what it's the things that we have to say about what it is. Let's start figuring out the language so we can start describing why you feel the way that you feel. And that way you can start leading them to the points because sometimes they're only half wrong. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Sean Martin: Sometimes like in the other half is taking over entirely. So they're not able to understand, you know, about, you know, more difficult parts of, of our world, like where the federal reserve bank came from. This is a, it's a real conversation. It's a difficult conversation. It's wild with, with conspiracies the whole time, depending on how you view the world is how you come out the other end of that. But once you get reality into it and you understand. Pete "mental Health Champ": Right. Yeah. Tackling. Tackling. Sean Martin: that now we can see its function in today's society and that we can identify it as the Federal Reserve Bank. And you may or may not agree with it, but understanding it is the first step in being able to do anything with it at all. And this very much applies to the things that we think. And so if we can start giving people the language on how to talk about mental health, we can start improving the overall aspect of metacognition on our society. That means us thinking about how we're thinking actively in the moment. And when we can start doing that as a society, because we can start building that in ourselves, but it would be so much better to have institutions helping us to generate that critical Pete "mental Health Champ": Exactly. Exactly. Sean Martin: thinking mass. And if we can do that, then we will inevitably become a better society because of it all because we went reach down to the to the people who needed the most help and said we can do that. We can help them. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah. You know, yeah, I've had people reach out to and things like that as well. I had a guy this morning, we were, it was posting very disturbing videos and I was just like, it wouldn't be like anything that you, you like, like super simple. It's like the language he was using, though, worried me. And I was like, Hey, I was talking to a friend of mine. said, I feel like this guy may end up trying to kill himself. I'm like, he's talking like that. And lo and behold, literally what he was saying, you know, and it's because all these interviews I've done in the show, I've learned how to identify these things. from all these different professionals and people that come on and say things, you know, I'm always constantly learning these new things. And that's the whole point behind the show is to try and teach people some of that lingo of like what to do in these situations. Like if someone were to reach out to you and start talking in these very weird to behave, doing something weird out of the ordinary that you're thinking, okay, you know what to do in those situations. You know, like, like most people don't know what to do with someone said, come to them and start saying their thought about committing suicide, you know, and it's like, they get nervous and it's like, don't you don't panic. mean, like They're talking to you. You should understand that this is a great thing. If they're talking to you, you're all right. You're already winning the battle there because a lot of them won't even talk to you. And it says, men, we don't talk about it, you know? So I agree, though. think it's what we need to start teaching these guys what to look out for and things like that to teach them the language. At least give them some help, you know? Like someone take the advantage of the internet as it is and start posting these things like I do. And like I post as much as I can. There's other mental podcasts or starting podcasts because of me that want to get into the conversation. know, and I told them like, you know, I have no formal training. So it's like, if I can do it, hell, anybody can do it at this point. All I'm doing is having a conversation with people. I'm inviting other people on to have other conversations, inviting musicians like yourself, other experts that come on and they share their thoughts and in different things and their opinions and all these other kinds of things, you know, hell, we had John DeCaucus from ESPN, CNN come on here. and was talking to us as well. It was really cool, man. We've had some really interesting characters come on here to talk to us about this stuff. You know, and it's it's interesting because the message just keeps getting louder that we need to talk more about it clearly. My schedule's been filled all the way out to August now with people waiting to talk to me just for no damn reason. You know, and I'm talking when I say that, I'm saying like Mondays and Tuesdays, three to four people a day on those days. So I'm going from six to ten conversations in those two days of just recording this show. of people that want to talk about these things. So like we need to talk more about it, you know, and especially with the youth. think like the youth is our very, it's our biggest fall is at right now. We need to start talking to them younger and let them know like, hey, you're okay. And it's okay not to be okay. You know, if there's something wrong to say something that we know so we can start turning the number around because 10 to 14, Sean, is the new highest rate for suicide of young men. was, it was the latest, earliest year I found out I was hearing the numbers, I was listening to the news and they were talking about from 10 to 14. That's way too young for those kids to be taking themselves and taking their lives at that young of age, man. There's no reason for that kind of thing for us not to do something or think something's wrong at that point. It's not going to be wrong. All lives matter. But 10 to 14 is a little too young for us to be really losing too many young gentlemen at that young age for that reason. And we and a few other podcasters explored social media. And we looked at the statistics and it's not great for kids their age. A lot of people like to make fun of the helicopter parents, but I applaud the helicopter parents at this point because you're watching what they're getting into and keeping monitor. What they're doing is you're doing the best thing as possible for them because now you can try and catch it ahead of time if they start saying something or start doing something, start acting different. You know, because I want to see that number go down, not go up, because this is getting insane. know, hundred and seventy seven thousand people lost a year is just too many. I don't I don't care what anybody says. Like, you know, that's that's way too many not to be having this conversation about. what more can we do at this point? And you know, it's people like yourself that are making this music, that are hitting home and all these other guys are doing stuff, man. So I appreciate you coming and having this conversation, Sean. But we are at that part of the interview. We're going to ask you that fun question I was going to ask you, OK? So Sean, this is going to be good when you're like this one, OK? So if your mental health had a song, what would you say that song would be, Sean? Everybody loves this question by the way because it's so interesting the answers you get from people. Sean Martin: Okay. So this one's going to sound a little weird, but I know exactly the song. When you said it, I know exactly the way to represent it. And it's going to be buried alive by avenge sevenfold. And the reason why is because that song represents the feeling that you're constantly fighting against, which is the soft give up. All you have to do is just stop. Pete "mental Health Champ": Okay. Okay. Sean Martin: And then it's so easy. so like, it sounds so nice to just stop trying anymore. Stop caring. To stop trying to make yourself better. You can rest. You can finally be at peace. But that offer is so. It's just a trick. Because it's inevitably it makes it worse in the end. and you have to constantly be striving for something. And so that feeling of being buried alive and being sent to a pit that you'll never come out of. That's exactly what it feels like I'm fighting against all the time. So whenever I hear that song, I smile because I know that's what I made it out of. Pete "mental Health Champ": Yeah, it's a great song. It's great song, Tracer. Vincent Folds is first time being mentioned in this conversation because I recently started asking people this question for this season and the season before. met somebody else who's another podcaster. She runs the shit that goes on in our heads. She's a good friend of mine. She asked me the same question. So I answered it differently in the original. But my song now, my anxiety, said, was Bad Omens Artificial Suicide. The constant strumming of that song is da-da-da-da-da-da. You know, that's how it feels. My anxiety is full blown. Dude, my heart is racing just like that. It's going a thousand miles an hour. And then my depression song was two actually. was, leave the light on, talk away the dark by Papa Roach. And the other one is a different kind of pain by cold. Now I felt like both of those represented it because that's what it's like. People that don't understand what depression is like, Jim Carrey actually released a video of an interview recently that someone had told where Jim had discussed depression. He said it was two ways. It was like, there's a difference between sad and being depressed. Jim says that being sad is you just being down that day. He said being depressed is you telling yourself that you don't want to be that character today, even though you have to be, which I think is a great representation of what depression is like for people that never have experienced it, because everyone wants to say, cheer up or hey, calm down. You know, it's easy for you to give that advice if you've never been in that situation. But if you've been in that situation. You'll approach it from a different situation and you'll, know, we know ourselves who who's been through it and has been there because you'll know the lingo they're using. Just like you said, you know, the way people talk about things, it makes a difference because you can tell, you know, that like level of understanding there. So, you know, with that being said, though, you know, it just it just made sense. So I think what Jim said was amazing because it broke it down so well. I was like, that's that's great. Because when you said Jim Carrey, I laughed because Jim Carrey is actually a big mental health advocate as well. found out Jim Jim's great, though. Sean Martin: Right. He is. And when I, when I mean that, I mean the, the dumb and dumber or Ace Ventura or, you know, that kind of thing. Pete "mental Health Champ": No, no, I mean, right? Well, Sean, with that being said, we're going to wrap up this episode of Pete for Exciting Man. I was so honored to have you here, man. It was great hanging out with you. Before we go, do you want to plug where everybody can find you? Do you guys have socials for the quarantine and everything else that you want to plug and let them know where to check you out? Obviously, you're on Spotify because that's where I've been checking you out. Sean Martin: Yes. Yeah, you can. You find us at the quarantined.com also social medias at the quarantined YouTube, Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook. yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": you're on TikTok. Okay. I'll make sure to follow you on TikTok as well so I can spread you out to everybody too and everything like that. Guys, anybody that's listening at home, I'll make sure, obviously, to put them in there so everyone knows where to find Sean on all the socials and things like that. And Sean, thank you so much, man. I'm looking forward to see what's coming down the road. And listen, if somebody mentions one of your songs, you better believe the first person I'm reaching out to is like Sean in bold letters, man. You're never going to believe what came up. It's going to be right in the first line of email. You're like, shit, somebody mentioned us, didn't they? Because I'll start laughing. like, you know what? I actually met Sean. He's been in the studio. Let me go let him know right now that you mentioned his song here on this show. Sean Martin: Hell yeah, that'd be great. I'd love to see how far it goes. Yeah, absolutely. Pete "mental Health Champ": Hell yeah, definitely man. Well Sean, with that being said, thank you so much again for being here man. I really appreciate it. Before I start signing off, do you have anything you want to say to everybody? Any last words of encouragement to everyone out there? Sean Martin: yeah, I, I, I'll say the, thing that I've learned, in all of my, in all of, you know, trying to get through suicidal feelings and dealing with PTSD. And when I was at my very, very lowest, it was pointed out to me that two things that I'm usually missing are perspective, wanting to see it from some other place. And then gratitude, at least if only for yourself, because it is very possible you are surrounded by assholes. And the gratitude that you need to, that you need to give is to yourself. It's very important to remember those kinds of things. And that way you can still find the answer within yourself when you know those things, when you're at your lowest. So that's the, my little, my little sign of. Pete "mental Health Champ": I love it. I love it, Sean. Thank you so much again, guys. And with that being said, we're going to wrap up this episode of Peteford's Anxiety. You guys want to find me on Peteford's Anxiety and X all the down to TikTok. I'm on Spotify all the way down to Panda Radio. And as I always say, it costs nothing absolutely to be kind to somebody. One kind act you can do can save somebody's life. Hell, you can make their day. I'm Peteford's Anxiety signing off saying, don't ask how your day is today. Say, hey, how's your mental health?