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Domonique Foxworth on Daniel Jones' Resurgence, Kyler's benching, Tom Brady cloning his dog | 11.07 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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Speaker 1: My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
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Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Friday. Nobody Foxworth. What's going on?
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Speaker 2: Not much, man. I'm happy to be. I see we
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Speaker 2: reading the same book. Got that thing out. Everybody got
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Speaker 2: to support the brother.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had the homie Roy on the other day.
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Speaker 1: People really, really enjoyed that episode. And I'm trying not
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Speaker 1: to take that personally because I think I said 18 words.
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Speaker 1: And people are telling me that that's the best episode
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Speaker 1: that they can remember.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not fair because it's like they sitting
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Speaker 2: in boiling water all the time and they have gotten
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Speaker 2: used to it. So then you throw a little something
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Speaker 2: different in there like, wow. Don't you realize that I've
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Speaker 2: been scorching? And Roy's a professional comedian, which is also
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Speaker 2: a bit of a cheat code.
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Speaker 3: He is.
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Speaker 2: He is.
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Speaker 3: It was like the best HQ interview ever.
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Speaker 1: And I mean that in the good ways, not the
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Speaker 1: bad ways. You know what I mean? By the way,
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Speaker 1: I'm just noticing this. Dominique, we've been doing this show
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Speaker 1: together now in this capacity for, I guess, about five
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Speaker 1: years or so. But it's not like it's the only
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Speaker 1: time that we've had you at that background. And it
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Speaker 1: dawned on me. You ever notice that they stop asking
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Speaker 1: kids to draw pictures once they might be good at them?
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Speaker 1: Like as soon as they start showing a little progress,
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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Enough of that. So I got the rejects. We actually
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Speaker 2: got some quality. We got some quality stuff upstairs. But
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Speaker 2: art is important, but it ain't for everybody. It's like
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Speaker 2: sports is important, but it ain't for everybody. The reason
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Speaker 2: why they stopped doing it when people start getting good
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Speaker 2: at it is because they didn't get good at it.
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Speaker 2: The ones who got good at it kept going to
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Speaker 2: save with sports. You know why you stopped playing in
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Speaker 2: the eighth grade?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the difference is you might still go shoot
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Speaker 1: in your driveway by yourself.
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Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I can't draw to save
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Speaker 3: my life.
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Speaker 1: I've been terrible at drawing my entire existence. It has
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Speaker 1: always blown me away. People who are good at drawing
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Speaker 1: because I don't. I can't. I can't write. I can
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Speaker 1: barely write the whole draw.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure there have been studies done
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Speaker 2: on it, but my handwriting is pretty terrible also. But
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Speaker 2: I used to not be able to draw, which I
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Speaker 2: probably still can't draw. But I remember when I had kids,
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Speaker 2: and this was a while ago, when my oldest was young,
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Speaker 2: she asked me to draw her a picture of one
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Speaker 2: of her characters. And I surprised myself. I just looked
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Speaker 2: at it. It was like, I can copy these specific shapes.
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Speaker 2: So maybe, maybe. Maybe you're at late onset. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: don't know.
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Speaker 3: I think about writing.
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Speaker 1: And one of the favorite things about my dad is
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Speaker 1: my dad does everything right-handed except write. And he writes left-handed.
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Speaker 1: And his handwriting looks exactly like I just told you,
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Speaker 1: like a right-handed person writing with his left hand. I
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Speaker 1: am convinced that if he ever decided to try with
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Speaker 1: his right hand, it would have been worlds different.
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Speaker 2: That's so, like, it makes no sense because I know, like,
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Speaker 2: back in the day, they would make left-handed people write right-handed.
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Speaker 2: Your father was just so anti-establishment that he was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that's how y'all doing it?
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Speaker 3: I don't know, man.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he was just so smart that the only way
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Speaker 1: he could find a challenge out of this stuff, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure. But speaking of a challenge, man, we got
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Speaker 1: to give some props to you. You were the earliest
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Speaker 1: adopter of the Indianapolis Colts this year. You said that
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Speaker 1: they were going to be good, and that was even
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Speaker 1: knowing that Daniel Jones was going to be their quarterback. Now,
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Speaker 1: I made the point on this show, they beat a
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Speaker 1: bunch of bums, and then they played against the Pittsburgh Steelers,
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Speaker 1: who are a little bit bum-ish, right? Or maybe they're
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Speaker 1: not bums, but they don't live in a nice neighborhood, right?
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Speaker 1: They gave the Colts the work. And look, that happens
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Speaker 1: every now and then. I don't think everything is necessarily... referendum.
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Speaker 1: But I do think we all got the same question
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Speaker 1: about the Colts, which is, how much winning we talking
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Speaker 1: about you doing with Daniel Jones at quarterback? And so
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Speaker 1: I ask you, how much winning you think they talking
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Speaker 1: about doing with Daniel Jones at quarterback?
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Speaker 2: Well, they think they doing a lot because they gave
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Speaker 2: up two first round picks for Sauce Gardner to bolster
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Speaker 2: that secondary. So they low enough to take on the Chiefs.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why else you do that unless you
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Speaker 2: think that you're going to have to take on them
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Speaker 2: late in the playoffs, which I respect that. And I
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Speaker 2: think After the end of that Daniel Jones, the most recent,
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Speaker 2: the Steelers game, I think it was probably everyone's first reaction.
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Speaker 2: They were like, oh, there go Daniel Jones. Then you
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Speaker 2: watch it, and you're like, I don't know who could
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Speaker 2: have survived in that. That O-line has been probably one
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Speaker 2: of the best, if not the best, all season long.
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Speaker 2: They got destroyed. There was people in Daniel Jones' lap
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Speaker 2: all game long, and they also had the the benefit
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Speaker 2: of Jalen Ramsey being one of the few guys that's
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Speaker 2: big enough, strong enough, and athletic enough to cover Tyler Warren, who's.
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Speaker 1: A problem at tight end.
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Speaker 2: And then they got a bunch of good receivers. They
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Speaker 2: don't got no great guys. So I don't know. I
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Speaker 2: think to your point, this was a bad sign, but
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Speaker 2: it's not a referendum on the Colts' ceiling. And I
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Speaker 2: also don't think it's like a referendum on Daniel Jones.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that anybody short of the elite quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: and maybe even them could have done anything with the
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Speaker 2: way that that run game was destroyed in a way
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Speaker 2: that that pass protection was getting just run through.
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Speaker 1: I am struggling with the idea that the last time
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Speaker 1: I saw Daniel Jones, he was terrible and not young.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And that suddenly all of this flips up because the
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Speaker 1: other example of this obviously is Sam Darnold, who was
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Speaker 1: good for 16 games last year and then flat out
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Speaker 1: awful for two games but this year i don't i
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Speaker 1: he's making it really really difficult for me to keep
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Speaker 1: being right right you know i mean like he looks
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Speaker 1: excellent this year now granted he got dudes to throw
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Speaker 1: the ball to like let us be clear about that
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Speaker 1: but the throws are there to be made and he's
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Speaker 1: the guy who's making the throws and look People have
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Speaker 1: made the jokes about, oh, man, those New York teams
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Speaker 1: wrote those guys off for dead. So did other people. Like,
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Speaker 1: nobody has to apologize for saying, hey, we're out on
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. They gave him, what, six years to try
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Speaker 1: to get that right? Sam Darnold got plenty of time
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Speaker 1: with the Jets, and it was so bad. Like, they
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Speaker 1: gave him more time than he necessarily was owed in this.
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Speaker 3: But I'm looking around at this. Matt Jones, who doesn't
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Speaker 3: look terrible anymore.
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Speaker 1: Do we have to, like, change the way that we
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Speaker 1: evaluate what the arc of growth is for a quarterback.
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Speaker 1: Because look, the salary structure doesn't really allow it. You
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Speaker 1: need to see some real signs by year three. before
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Speaker 1: you start investing some money. But think about how many
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Speaker 1: of these slow creep guys are still going in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Like he hasn't been good this year, but like Geno
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Speaker 1: Smith being an example, a very extreme case. But these
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Speaker 1: guys that we saw be terrible young.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, back in the day, that used
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Speaker 3: to be it. Drew Brees was terrible for three years.
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Speaker 1: What they don't tell you about Warren Moon is he
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Speaker 1: won all them games up there in Canada and all
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Speaker 1: those great cups. And he came to the NFL and
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Speaker 1: it was not sweet for a couple of years. Like,
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Speaker 1: and I think it took him almost damn near 30
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Speaker 1: years old. Before he started looking like a Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame caliber quarterback. Like, I don't know what you're supposed
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Speaker 1: to do anymore with these cats.
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Speaker 2: It's I mean, there's so many things in here. So
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Speaker 2: I think that there's it's hard to be able to
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Speaker 2: understand exactly how to evaluate a quarterback when there are
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Speaker 2: so many other variables that impact the quarterback. I think
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Speaker 2: even the Giants ownership at one point said we ain't
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Speaker 2: give Daniel Jones a real chance. which is probably fair.
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Speaker 2: But also, there's some limitations on his game. So there's
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Speaker 2: different places.
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Speaker 3: Other people have had worse chances than they gave him.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, true. But other people... have been better. So I
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Speaker 2: think this is the question with them is trying to
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Speaker 2: figure out, and it's almost impossible to disentangle all these
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Speaker 2: different variables. You as an economist can recognize a situation
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Speaker 2: like this that is just so many different factors. Like
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Speaker 2: right now, you talk about looking at the teams that
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Speaker 2: you beat. we get hype about teams that go 10
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Speaker 2: and one and then fall apart. And then people yell
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Speaker 2: at us or anyone else who's like, but we got
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Speaker 2: to look at who they beat or look at how
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Speaker 2: they win. And like with the Steelers, I think Steelers
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Speaker 2: fans want to say the defense is back. And I
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Speaker 2: tell them like, look, Y'all won the turnover margin by
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Speaker 2: five and won the game by seven. Let's not get
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Speaker 2: too excited. Y'all won the turnover margin by four against
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Speaker 2: the Patriots. Won the game by seven. Let's let's chill
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Speaker 2: out and relax. So there's so many because the season
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Speaker 2: is short relatively as far as number of games are concerned.
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Speaker 2: It's only like 50 or 60 plays in a game.
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Speaker 2: It's really hard to be able to have enough data
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Speaker 2: to make a decision. And also, coaching is so important,
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Speaker 2: especially for the quarterback. No one is getting drafted in
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Speaker 2: the NFL, particularly in the first round, if they don't
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Speaker 2: have some ability. And if your ability doesn't match up
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Speaker 2: with what is around you or with the mind of
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Speaker 2: the person who's designing the offense, and then on top
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Speaker 2: of it, these kids is 22. Like, you're 22, you're
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Like, there's so many things going on that...
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Speaker 2: Give me six years or seven years in New York
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Speaker 2: City at 22 with some money in my pocket starting quarterback,
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Speaker 2: and then you send me to Indianapolis. No disrespect, Indianapolis,
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Speaker 2: but that playbook looking a lot more interesting when you're
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Speaker 2: not in the world's most interesting city. So, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: There's so many other factors that it's hard to tell.
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Speaker 2: It's a page turner.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't put it down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Watching film is a little easier with everything closed
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Speaker 2: at midnight.
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Speaker 1: Turn that shit up.
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Speaker 2: Turn that shit up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. There's so many things. It's impossible
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Speaker 2: to know. And I think Kyler Murray is a guy
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Speaker 2: who's coming up on this situation also. And the one
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Speaker 2: thing I'll say before we move on to anything else
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Speaker 2: about the difference between danger. and Sam Darnold right now
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Speaker 2: is Sam Darnold is doing it without the help of
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Speaker 2: a running game, which is like a really dominant running game,
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Speaker 2: which is particularly impressive. Daniel Jones is getting three, four
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Speaker 2: explosive plays a game, and teams coming in deciding like,
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Speaker 2: you know how we're going to stop them? We're going
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Speaker 2: to stop Taylor, people are coming into the Seahawks game like, man,
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Speaker 2: how can we slow down Sam Darnold? He's still putting
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Speaker 2: up numbers.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor with the argument for being the most underrated
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Speaker 1: football player of all time. And I know that sounds
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Speaker 1: like an extreme thing, but I'm just going to make
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Speaker 1: this point. I want to say he ran for 6,000
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Speaker 1: yards in three years at Wisconsin. And 25 years ago,
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Speaker 1: You're on a Wheaties box for being that guy. Like
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Speaker 1: he wins a Heisman, 2,000 yards will get you a
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Speaker 1: Heisman trophy, right? Like in another time, he comes out
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Speaker 1: of college, super famous, and he's been excellent as a
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Speaker 1: running back.
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Speaker 3: Once he got to the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Like there's a different time where he is as big
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Speaker 1: a star as anybody else. he never won no Heisman
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Speaker 1: off of doing that. And he's just like, he's probably
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Speaker 1: going to be offensive player of the year this year.
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Speaker 1: He is the centerpiece of an NFL offense, which running
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Speaker 1: backs typically do not get to be, but we do
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Speaker 1: not talk about him. Like we talk about Saquon Barkley.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's because he did not play for the giants, right?
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Speaker 1: Like play in the New York market, but Taylor, Taylor Soko,
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Speaker 1: and we just don't treat him like Mr.
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Speaker 3: Soko.
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Speaker 1: But I want to say you can often tell the
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Speaker 1: difference between the that person's bad.
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Speaker 3: And this situation is bad.
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Speaker 2: Right. Right.
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Speaker 1: You can see when it's a combination of the two.
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Speaker 1: You can often see when neither is the case.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: When people, you know, get a little frustrated with me
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Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts. I see a guy that's largely been
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Speaker 1: in great situation, but he himself is what he is.
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Speaker 2: Right. Right.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones looked bad in bad situations. Sam Darnold looked
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Speaker 1: bad in bad situations. They just looked absolutely bad. I
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Speaker 1: still think It's going to come down to what it
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Speaker 1: came down to last year, one of them games with
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, and he is going to wet himself because
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Speaker 1: that is what Sam Darnold has done under those circumstances.
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Speaker 1: I seen Daniel Jones be the starting quarterback in a
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Speaker 1: winning playoff game one time.
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Speaker 2: True. Told you that thing. He sure did. Like 150
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Speaker 2: on the ground.
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Speaker 3: He sure did.
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Speaker 2: But let me tell you this.
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Speaker 1: I see what them cats is doing. I see how
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Speaker 1: it's turned around for them. And you know who needs
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Speaker 1: to be watching them and thinking about it every day?
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 3: That's who.
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Speaker 1: You know, and look, I think, I don't remember if
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Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, but I, with
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Speaker 1: limited data, firmly believe this.
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Speaker 3: The Trey Lance time is coming.
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Speaker 1: Somebody's going to throw a fourth round pick or something
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Speaker 1: like that at him after these years with Harbaugh. And
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Speaker 1: like preseason Trey Lance has looked a lot better as
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Speaker 1: a charger than he did as a 49er. Fair.
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Speaker 2: Also, these are two very unique players that you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: The rare situation of Being bad in college and still
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Speaker 2: getting drafted high.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So, like, I get. Yeah, that's what Richard said about Lance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Lance.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Lance had like a 40 touchdown, one interception
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Speaker 1: season as a sophomore and then just didn't play as
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Speaker 1: a junior.
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Speaker 2: You got a lot more respect.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying we can't say he was bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. All right. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's fair. I mean, it was, that was the COVID
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Speaker 2: year and all that stuff. I think people chalk it
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Speaker 2: up to that too. And we also have, he didn't
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Speaker 2: bless that. He didn't play the COVID year. Right. And we,
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Speaker 2: the scouting and all that stuff was impacted by that.
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Speaker 2: And we also have the experience of him playing with
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Speaker 2: a guy who gets the best out of every quarterback
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Speaker 2: he's ever had. And Kyle Shanahan. I mean, I would
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Speaker 2: love to see both of those guys do their thing.
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Speaker 2: I think we got less reason to believe that it's
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Speaker 2: going to work for either them. And I think also
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Speaker 2: like we've had this black quarterback conversation a lot before.
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Speaker 2: There are criticisms of black quarterbacks that I'm willing to
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Speaker 2: entertain now that I was not willing to entertain in
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Speaker 2: the past. And I think some of those criticisms could
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Speaker 2: be fair. And that's why I was higher on this
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Speaker 2: year's Colts than I have been in a while because
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Speaker 2: I saw that. And Shane Steichen, a coach who, given
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Speaker 2: the right talent, can put players in positions that have
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Speaker 2: success as long as you can trust the guy to
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Speaker 2: consistently make the right decision and be accurate. And I
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Speaker 2: was like, all right, Daniel Jones can do that. And
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Speaker 2: I have no reason to believe that Anthony Richardson can
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Speaker 2: do that. And maybe he'll grow into it. Like, he'll
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Speaker 2: get better.
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Speaker 1: That, I think, is the point there. Not necessarily that
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson could do this at the exact time.
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Speaker 3: At this exact time.
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Speaker 1: But I wasn't as confident that Daniel Jones could do
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Speaker 1: the things that you were talking about prior to this.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't as confident that Sam Darnold could do the
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Speaker 1: things that you talked about prior to this.
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Speaker 3: It just seems like.
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Speaker 1: The growth arc for quarterbacks... It's just a little bit
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Speaker 1: longer than we give it. Matthew Stafford, I mean, granted,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is an otherworldly talent, but he's on a.
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Speaker 3: 17, 18-year growth arc.
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Speaker 1: It's still going. Like, I was right about him before,
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Speaker 1: and then he turned into something that you just didn't
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Speaker 1: think happened. It just keeps, you know, slowly but surely,
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Speaker 1: he just keeps, keeps, keeps getting.
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Speaker 3: Better at what he does.
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Speaker 1: And so I don't understand how this works with these dudes. Like,
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Speaker 1: how are you supposed to know when it's time to
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Speaker 1: cut bait?
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Speaker 2: So Matt Stafford, I would say, has been different. I
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Speaker 2: think Matt Stafford is kind of the definition of the
15:43
Speaker 2: surroundings will improve things. And I think Matt Stafford was
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Speaker 2: always pretty good, and he was always kind of reckless
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Speaker 2: and trust his arm too much and would turn the
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Speaker 2: ball over. That hasn't really changed. It's just that the
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Speaker 2: support that's around him is so much better that He
16:01
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be as aggressive and they can pick
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Speaker 2: him up and make plays for him. Sometimes I think
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Speaker 2: that's he kind of I don't say that he overachieved,
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Speaker 2: but I think his issues were exacerbated by the situation.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that he maintained the starter there and
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Speaker 2: maintained like a top half of the league quarterback while
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Speaker 2: he was in those situations, which weren't all bad.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, if only I got to throw to
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Speaker 3: Calvin Johnson, right?
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, there was other issues there than just
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Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson. So, I mean, I think he has definitely
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Speaker 2: gotten better, but his issues haven't gone away. It's not like,
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Speaker 2: like Josh Allen, where he don't quite do those things anymore. Matt, Matt.
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Speaker 3: I'll give you a chance. He's Carson Palmer. I've seen
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Speaker 3: people get mad at me for making that.
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Speaker 1: Call, but I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 3: That is exactly it.
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Speaker 1: Look exactly like a quarterback until they look like a
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Speaker 1: running back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. and the greatest too like they both got arms
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Speaker 2: that will make you like your jaw drop but then
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Speaker 2: sometimes just like hey let me see what they doing
17:05
Speaker 2: over there let me throw it over there and see
17:07
Speaker 2: see how they feel about catching the ball one once
17:09
Speaker 2: every once.
17:10
Speaker 4: In a while yeah no now you mentioned kyle murray
17:16
Speaker 4: now this kyle murray thing is interesting right because you
17:18
Speaker 4: and i talked about this a little bit before the
17:20
Speaker 4: show And for those of you who don't know, they
17:22
Speaker 4: put Kyler Murray on injury reserve, and he don't sound
17:24
Speaker 4: like he that hurt.
17:25
Speaker 1: It sounds like he'd be ready to play any day now,
17:28
Speaker 1: and that day they're waiting on is when Jacoby Percet
17:31
Speaker 1: stops playing well.
17:32
Speaker 3: And, I mean, you correct me if I'm wrong.
17:34
Speaker 1: He's been cool. Yeah. Like, I don't feel like he's
17:37
Speaker 1: been excellent. You're talking about Jacoby now. Yeah, Jacoby Percet, yeah.
17:40
Speaker 1: But he's been all right. However, Marvin Harrison Jr. was
17:43
Speaker 1: looking like a flat-out bust, and now he doesn't look
17:46
Speaker 1: like a bust anymore. They've won some games. And, and, and, and, and,
17:51
Speaker 1: and important point here. People don't like that little dude.
17:56
Speaker 1: They don't.
17:58
Speaker 3: It is who the story I've told you that I
18:01
Speaker 3: don't tell in front of people. People don't like Kyler Murray.
18:05
Speaker 1: This is a this is a he he a different
18:08
Speaker 1: sort of cat. that is definitely part of what is
18:11
Speaker 1: going on here. But I am hearing people making this
18:14
Speaker 1: argument now that, Hey man, maybe they just stick with him.
18:17
Speaker 1: And is Jacoby, I guess my question is, is Jacoby
18:20
Speaker 1: Percet's growth arc long enough that he could really be
18:22
Speaker 1: better than Kyler Murray right now?
18:24
Speaker 2: No, I mean, he could be better for what they're
18:28
Speaker 2: doing right there. But I think Jacoby Percet is like the,
18:32
Speaker 2: he is, isn't he participate in those backup quarterback commercials
18:36
Speaker 2: for some insurance company? Like, Jacoby, even Jacoby know who
18:41
Speaker 2: Jacoby is at this point. So I think that Jacoby
18:43
Speaker 2: as a backup quarterback should be like, is a lot,
18:47
Speaker 2: his results are going to be predictable. There's no like
18:49
Speaker 2: super crazy high end. There's not going to be super
18:51
Speaker 2: crazy low end. The problem with Kyler Murray is you're
18:54
Speaker 2: paying him and you're expecting him to be able to
18:58
Speaker 2: give you more consistent high end. And he can't do
19:01
Speaker 2: that in part because of like the physical limitations. At
19:04
Speaker 2: least I'm assuming that's the reason why he doesn't attack
19:06
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, which is, Like, it's very
19:09
Speaker 2: limiting on offense. And he makes up for it with
19:11
Speaker 2: some explosiveness, but he doesn't make up for it nearly enough.
19:14
Speaker 2: And I think this goes back to, like, another criticism
19:17
Speaker 2: that's been made of him that we all got annoyed
19:20
Speaker 2: when they put that clause in the contract. Maybe we
19:23
Speaker 2: could have– about him needing to study and whatever. Like, yeah,
19:26
Speaker 2: maybe the clause shouldn't be in the contract, but they
19:28
Speaker 2: ain't just pull out a clause out their ass that
19:31
Speaker 2: ain't never been used before. They didn't just be like, hey,
19:34
Speaker 2: you know what? We want to innovate.
19:37
Speaker 3: Like– Yeah, the clause was stupid, but the reason was real.
19:41
Speaker 2: Right. So I think those things. And so the best
19:45
Speaker 2: way that I've tried to think about this is sitting
19:48
Speaker 2: him down for a little bit. Maybe this is your
19:51
Speaker 2: last chance, your last effort to get his attention and
19:55
Speaker 2: try to help correct whatever issues you have with him.
19:58
Speaker 2: But I don't think sticking with Jacoby for the rest
20:01
Speaker 2: of the season is like a great idea. All right.
20:05
Speaker 3: Here is the Alonzo morning GIF.
20:09
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
20:10
Speaker 3: The one of him sitting on the bench. And I'm
20:12
Speaker 3: going to act it out myself.
20:16
Speaker 1: They would never take no white man's job away to
20:19
Speaker 1: give it to Jacoby Preset.
20:22
Speaker 3: But Jacoby Preset still got a job.
20:28
Speaker 1: Right? Like, look, you just... I've heard the way they
20:32
Speaker 1: talk about Jacoby Preset, okay? I know how y'all feel
20:34
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Preset. Like, I understand this. With all the
20:37
Speaker 1: talent Kyler Murray has and everything else, you ain't bailing
20:40
Speaker 1: out just that soon. However, there was a time when
20:43
Speaker 1: Jacoby Preset would be somewhere parking cars or pumping gas,
20:47
Speaker 1: but nope, he's up there Keeping the seat warm for
20:51
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And Kyler Murray needs to understand they didn't
20:54
Speaker 1: want to have to go to Jacoby Percet because that
20:56
Speaker 1: is a quarter black, which is what you do when
20:59
Speaker 1: you want to support the starter. But at the same time,
21:02
Speaker 1: he is also an actual factual backup. So just in case,
21:06
Speaker 1: he did put them in the situation. He's the best
21:10
Speaker 1: of both worlds if you got a black quarterback.
21:11
Speaker 3: Now that I think about it, that's what they need behind.
21:14
Speaker 1: They need him behind that Jordan Love.
21:16
Speaker 2: I didn't realize. So I knew we were going to
21:19
Speaker 2: touch on this, but not until this moment did I
21:23
Speaker 2: realize how revolutionary this really is. In a time where.
21:29
Speaker 1: Progress is hard to find. Yes.
21:33
Speaker 2: Because it's not just... The idea that you have to
21:37
Speaker 2: get a black quarterback in order not to have people,
21:40
Speaker 2: fans behind, when you have a starting black quarterback, have
21:43
Speaker 2: fans asking for the backup quarterback. That was a step
21:47
Speaker 2: that was shocking to me. And that came after the
21:49
Speaker 2: idea of Jacoby Brissett as a concept even existing. Like
21:55
Speaker 2: you are a journeyman career backup black quarterback. That is
22:00
Speaker 2: all huge and amazing. But the point that you just
22:04
Speaker 2: reminded me of is we've gotten to a point where
22:08
Speaker 2: there is clamoring for the backup black quarterback to start.
22:14
Speaker 2: I never thought I'd see the day that that clamoring
22:17
Speaker 2: would exist. Can you imagine if there was at one
22:19
Speaker 2: point there was a white starter that And people was like, hey,
22:23
Speaker 2: you got to get your Kobe percent in there.
22:25
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I don't think this has
22:27
Speaker 1: happened since Randall Cunningham took Ron Jaworski's job.
22:32
Speaker 2: Randall Cunningham is a world-class sprinter.
22:38
Speaker 1: That is correct.
22:40
Speaker 2: That is correct.
22:41
Speaker 1: That is correct. I can't remember whose job Vince Young
22:45
Speaker 1: eventually took.
22:46
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
22:47
Speaker 1: But the difference is, it's different when it's the young
22:50
Speaker 1: hotshot that we're talking about.
22:53
Speaker 3: We're just talking about Jacoby.
22:56
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's fair to remember that you
22:58
Speaker 2: often point out the Cam Newton story. That's what we're
23:01
Speaker 2: talking about. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
23:03
Speaker 3: When they were calling for Derek Anderson.
23:05
Speaker 2: Like, like, yes.
23:08
Speaker 3: So put it like this.
23:10
Speaker 1: The Colts brought Daniel Jones in to take Anthony Richardson's job.
23:15
Speaker 3: That was the point.
23:16
Speaker 1: You don't pay people $ 14 million in the NFL to
23:18
Speaker 1: not play, right? They brought him in to take that
23:22
Speaker 1: young man's job.
23:23
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
23:25
Speaker 1: That is not why they brought Jacoby Brissett to the
23:27
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. He about to be the start of a
23:31
Speaker 1: popular demand.
23:33
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me. I had never seen that happen before.
23:37
Speaker 2: It's not a thing that happens where they have a
23:39
Speaker 2: young quarterback who they've invested in, and his contract is
23:42
Speaker 2: too onerous for them to even trade. That's how much
23:45
Speaker 2: they committed to him.
23:46
Speaker 3: They've given it a try.
23:47
Speaker 2: And they like, hey, maybe this IR need to be
23:50
Speaker 2: extended a little bit.
23:52
Speaker 1: They didn't just give him a try. They basically hired
23:55
Speaker 1: a coach to draft him or they or they got
23:58
Speaker 1: the coach like the relationship between he and Kingsbury. Who look,
24:02
Speaker 1: it could have worked out better, but it could have
24:04
Speaker 1: worked out way worse. But that was a ridiculous hire.
24:07
Speaker 1: He just got fired at Texas Tech. They hired him there.
24:10
Speaker 1: And then it's like, yo, Kyler Murray, I'm hitting my whole.
24:12
Speaker 3: Career to you, buddy. OK, cool.
24:13
Speaker 1: And then he left. And they're like, well, this next guy,
24:15
Speaker 1: your career is hitched to him, too.
24:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this next guy don't seem like... No, he's
24:22
Speaker 2: had enough. Given some of the things that he's said
24:25
Speaker 2: and done, I don't think he's going to be willing
24:29
Speaker 2: to go without a fight. No, no, no, no.
24:32
Speaker 3: He's not going to let Kyle Murray get him fired.
24:33
Speaker 2: He's going to go ahead and get himself fired if
24:36
Speaker 2: he gets fired.
24:37
Speaker 1: When the coach makes the decision to go to Daniel
24:39
Speaker 1: Jones or to go to Jacoby Percet, particularly those guys
24:43
Speaker 1: that you're looking at as perhaps having a limited ceiling,
24:46
Speaker 1: What you're saying is what he's not going to do
24:49
Speaker 1: is get me fired. Zach Taylor being like, can we
24:52
Speaker 1: get Joe Flacco, please? Because Jake Browning is not going
24:56
Speaker 1: to get me fired. Joe Flacco might get me fired,
24:59
Speaker 1: and that's fine. But I'm not going to let Anthony
25:02
Speaker 1: Richardson get me fired. I see it coming down the pipe.
25:07
Speaker 1: I'm not letting him get me fired.
25:10
Speaker 2: He's like, your GM, was it Ballard? You got all
25:13
Speaker 2: excited about all these. All these physical traits, you saw
25:17
Speaker 2: Josh Allen and you gave him to me. But nah,
25:20
Speaker 2: that ain't going to define my career. And Steichen has
25:23
Speaker 2: shown that even if it don't work out there, he's
25:26
Speaker 2: reminded people, yeah, I can do this. He'll get another shot.
25:29
Speaker 2: And I think that's what Gannon is trying to do now.
25:32
Speaker 1: At what point does Dave Canales say that I'm not
25:34
Speaker 1: letting Bryce Young get me fired?
25:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
25:40
Speaker 2: They winning out here. Rico going to save my job.
25:43
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Rico need to be the quarterback.
25:47
Speaker 1: They're winning and I don't have a great answer for it.
25:50
Speaker 1: But all the way around. The Bears, good thing they
25:52
Speaker 1: got around to start winning some games because Ben Johnson
25:55
Speaker 1: was going to have to ask the question, am I
25:57
Speaker 1: going to let Kyler, let Caleb Williams get me fired?
26:01
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, though. If Sam Darnold going to
26:03
Speaker 1: have a real job now for a while and Daniel
26:05
Speaker 1: Jones going to have a real job now for a while,
26:08
Speaker 1: and hey, Jacoby Percet might be playing himself into a job,
26:11
Speaker 1: but who the new Grim Reaper, right? Who's the new
26:13
Speaker 1: guy that if you hear that your team, if you're
26:16
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback and they have brought him in, Right.
26:19
Speaker 1: Like Russell Wilson is now the new.
26:23
Speaker 3: Like if they break him in. All right.
26:24
Speaker 2: You straight. Yeah.
26:26
Speaker 5: Yeah.
26:26
Speaker 1: You good. But who. And it's funny because I was
26:29
Speaker 1: going to say is what Kurt Warner was when the
26:32
Speaker 1: Giants got him and what they wanted Kurt Warner to
26:34
Speaker 1: be when he went to the Cardinals.
26:35
Speaker 3: But he just ate that light it up.
26:37
Speaker 1: He was like, no, give me that.
26:39
Speaker 2: I mean, Carson Wentz had his chance to be that guy.
26:42
Speaker 2: He did. He bounced around. He followed the same trajectory.
26:46
Speaker 3: Lots of people gave it a try.
26:48
Speaker 1: He turned into Jacoby Percet. You'd much rather have Jacoby
26:50
Speaker 1: Percet now than to have Carson Wentz.
26:53
Speaker 2: It was like Baker. The journey Baker went on to
26:56
Speaker 2: where it was so bad, a bunch of different places,
26:58
Speaker 2: and Carson Wentz was like, yep, finally got my opportunity.
27:02
Speaker 2: And it didn't quite work out, and they tried to
27:05
Speaker 2: hurt that man. Oh, no, he kept wanting to go
27:07
Speaker 2: back in. Yes. I mean, it ain't Tyron, is it?
27:10
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.
27:11
Speaker 5: Yeah.
27:11
Speaker 1: If I say who does Tua need to be looking
27:13
Speaker 1: out for? Because Tyron, I think, got too old.
27:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Tua. Yeah.
27:20
Speaker 1: Well, who's the guy that's going to like fall from
27:22
Speaker 1: wherever they are to then come back and become that person? Right.
27:26
Speaker 3: Like maybe you need somebody to fall off of. Look,
27:30
Speaker 3: you know what it's going to be? It's going to
27:31
Speaker 3: be Mac Jones.
27:32
Speaker 1: Because they've already given Purdy that money. Now, are Mac
27:35
Speaker 1: Jones and Brock Purdy the same person? It's on the board.
27:38
Speaker 3: But Purdy already has a contract.
27:41
Speaker 2: How many years did Mac sign that contract for? Because
27:44
Speaker 2: he free right now. Somebody going to give him a
27:47
Speaker 2: pretty penny to come in to make the starter nervous.
27:50
Speaker 1: I have a sneaky suspicion that I know where Mac
27:52
Speaker 1: Jones is going to be the quarterback next year. The
27:55
Speaker 1: New York Jets.
27:56
Speaker 5: Yes.
27:59
Speaker 1: Hey, man, look, they got to show some signs of
28:01
Speaker 1: life soon. Like, they've got all these assets to go
28:04
Speaker 1: get a quarterback, but in the meantime, tween time, if
28:07
Speaker 1: you can go get Mac Jones for $ 14 million to
28:10
Speaker 1: hold it down, hey, he may be okay. I don't
28:14
Speaker 1: believe this.
28:14
Speaker 3: I watched Kyle Shanahan do this with Jimmy Garoppolo.
28:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. Kirk Cousins, it ain't him. He could have been him.
28:21
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Mac Jones is the only one.
28:27
Speaker 2: I think that... Trevor Lawrence going to be coming for–
28:32
Speaker 2: might be looking for a new city in the next
28:34
Speaker 2: couple of seasons. But he's going to get a starting job. Yeah,
28:37
Speaker 2: he's going to get a starting job. He's going to
28:38
Speaker 2: get a starting job somewhere else, right?
28:40
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm really trying to say in all
28:42
Speaker 1: of this is, if you keep working hard, Spencer Rattler,
28:46
Speaker 1: and keep at it, it may take a couple years.
28:49
Speaker 3: But, I mean, he has talents, right?
28:52
Speaker 1: He could become the boogeyman.
28:54
Speaker 2: He could. And I wonder, like, it probably would never
28:56
Speaker 2: change just because of, like, supply and demand, but– if
29:00
Speaker 2: we actually ever start responding, like paying quarterbacks, not based
29:06
Speaker 2: on the timing that they come up, but more based
29:09
Speaker 2: on what you project them to be like, I wouldn't
29:10
Speaker 2: advocate for that. I don't care. Like they make the
29:13
Speaker 2: idea that the cap can't be manipulated. If you pay
29:15
Speaker 2: a bunch of money, that's horse shit. Like the Eagles
29:18
Speaker 2: are proving that right now, if you got an owner
29:20
Speaker 2: who's willing to commit that money, you can do it.
29:23
Speaker 2: But also like, it does like, When you are connected
29:27
Speaker 2: to a player the way that they're connected to Kyler
29:28
Speaker 2: Murray or they are in Miami to Tua, it changed.
29:31
Speaker 2: Did you see Tua's pregame speech before that Thursday night game?
29:33
Speaker 2: I didn't get to talk to you.
29:35
Speaker 1: I did not see his pre. I was unaware that
29:37
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29:39
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29:42
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Speaker 1: I watched Tua's speech where he said that it's going
30:58
Speaker 1: to be 60 minutes of pain, but really four hours.
31:01
Speaker 1: And I understand the point that he was trying to make,
31:08
Speaker 1: but it reminds me once, I heard a basketball coach
31:12
Speaker 1: once give a talk to a freshman team after they
31:15
Speaker 1: had played poorly And he explained to them that there
31:18
Speaker 1: was no I in team. And he also said that
31:21
Speaker 1: there wasn't a me in team. I mean, there is
31:24
Speaker 1: a me, but you would have to take the M
31:26
Speaker 1: all the way from the back and put it up
31:28
Speaker 1: to the front. And he just went a little bit
31:32
Speaker 1: too far, right? He just needed to stick to the script.
31:35
Speaker 1: Tua needed to stop talking to people. Maybe Tua could
31:37
Speaker 1: become the boogeyman at some point. Because what he does
31:40
Speaker 1: strike me as, hold on, hear me out. He can
31:45
Speaker 1: mess around. and come to a place and be a
31:47
Speaker 1: backup and get in there and have, like, three really
31:50
Speaker 1: good games. He could do that and then, like, make
31:54
Speaker 1: it dicey for whoever. Look, man, I'm watching Jacoby Percet
31:56
Speaker 1: about to take somebody's job, dog. I can't be so
31:58
Speaker 1: sure that Tua can't do it.
32:00
Speaker 2: So it's not about Tua's ability. It's about Tua's health. Yeah.
32:05
Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins, because of what he did there
32:09
Speaker 2: when he put up crazy numbers, I think they were
32:12
Speaker 2: willing to risk what comes along with, Tua, and he
32:16
Speaker 2: hasn't had any more concussions. But I think that every
32:20
Speaker 2: other team, there is a distinct fear that he could
32:25
Speaker 2: get knocked out in a way that they'd be uncomfortable with.
32:28
Speaker 2: I just don't imagine that anybody, especially without the high-end
32:32
Speaker 2: coming off of some high-end production, that anybody's like, yeah,
32:34
Speaker 2: sign me up for being attached to that.
32:37
Speaker 1: I know, but you sign him up as the backup.
32:41
Speaker 3: He's here to let.
32:43
Speaker 1: The starter know.
32:45
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? If you are... That's
32:48
Speaker 2: the backup? Like, I don't know. I try my best
32:51
Speaker 2: to do this job in a way that, like, if somebody...
32:54
Speaker 2: This is my family, or when I've been talked about,
32:56
Speaker 2: if I was okay about it. I don't want to be...
32:59
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But, Bomani, you know what
33:02
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback is, like, supposed to be kind of durable? Like,
33:07
Speaker 2: you want a backup... Right? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like,
33:10
Speaker 2: you're not going to go get this guy who... seems
33:15
Speaker 2: to be concussion prone and also refuses to put on
33:19
Speaker 2: a guardian cap i don't know if it would help
33:20
Speaker 2: or not but i mean i would try anything and
33:23
Speaker 2: that's that's your backup is.
33:25
Speaker 1: Hey i i understand your point i also safe space
33:30
Speaker 1: right i want you to close your eyes.
33:35
Speaker 3: And i want you to think about and imagine to
33:37
Speaker 3: the tongue of our lower.
33:39
Speaker 1: Running around with that big-ass guardian cap helmet on and
33:43
Speaker 1: tell me that.
33:43
Speaker 2: You don't understand why he won't do it. I completely
33:47
Speaker 2: understand why he wouldn't do it. I completely understand why
33:52
Speaker 2: he wouldn't do it. It's the same reason why he
33:54
Speaker 2: says 60 minutes of pain. There's something about toughness and
33:57
Speaker 2: coolness that go hand in hand. And there's something about
34:01
Speaker 2: putting that cap on that feels– and there's something about
34:04
Speaker 2: stupidity and toughness that go hand in hand.
34:07
Speaker 1: The Guardian cap is another example, much like pepper spray,
34:11
Speaker 1: where its analog is granny free throws.
34:14
Speaker 2: Yes.
34:15
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that they're effective. But if they're so effective,
34:19
Speaker 1: you would tell everybody to wear it.
34:21
Speaker 3: But you don't.
34:21
Speaker 1: You only tell the people who've already got the egg
34:23
Speaker 1: scrambled to wear it because you.
34:25
Speaker 3: Know it looks ridiculous.
34:26
Speaker 2: It's another one. When I was in the league, there
34:30
Speaker 2: was newer helmets that were supposed to be better. And
34:33
Speaker 2: you know what I did? I kept my old shit.
34:36
Speaker 2: My old shit wasn't bloated like that one. It ain't
34:39
Speaker 2: look funny. I'm not better than any of them. I
34:43
Speaker 2: get it. I wouldn't put it on. Yeah, I got you.
34:47
Speaker 3: I got something funny for you.
34:48
Speaker 1: Now that we're on a good chuckle roll, I think
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Speaker 1: I need to continue with this.
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Speaker 3: And you said that you have not heard this story.
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Speaker 1: I am going to read it to you because I
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Speaker 1: don't want to miss out on any details, okay?
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Speaker 3: This is from ESPN.com, the homie Greg Wyshynski.
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Speaker 1: Washington Capitals star Alex Ovechkin made hockey history Wednesday night,
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Speaker 1: becoming the first NHL player to score 900 goals.
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Speaker 3: Ovechkin was.
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Speaker 1: Eventually given that record-setting puck.
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Speaker 3: Once St.
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Speaker 1: Louis Blues goalie Jordan Bennington stopped hiding it in his pants. Yes. So,
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Speaker 1: I think this part is also worth noting in how
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Speaker 1: we got here.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: In the second period of the 6-1 Capitals route, Ovechkin
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Speaker 1: intercepted Bennington's pass to teammate Nathan Walker. The puck eventually
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Speaker 1: found Washington defenseman Jakub Sienk. for a shot from the
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Speaker 1: point that bounced off the end boards. Ovechkin collected the
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Speaker 1: rebound and quickly slid a backhand shot into the Blues
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Speaker 1: net for his third goal of the season. As the
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Speaker 1: Capitals celebrated with Ovechkin, Bennington nudged the puck out of
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Speaker 1: the net with his.
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Speaker 3: Stick and picked it up with his goalie glove.
35:59
Speaker 1: He tucked his stick under his arm, pulled his hand
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Speaker 1: out of his blocker and plucked the glove, the puck
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Speaker 1: from his glove.
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Speaker 3: He then tucked the disc into the back of his
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Speaker 3: pants in full view of television cameras.
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Speaker 2: Hold on.
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Speaker 1: Later, linesman Michel Cormier had a discussion with Bennington in
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Speaker 1: his crease, after which the Blues goalie reached back into
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Speaker 1: his pants and handed the 900th goal puck to the official.
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Speaker 2: Is he just doing a bit? Maybe he's just doing
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Speaker 2: a bit. He's trying to be funny. Because you have
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Speaker 2: to know that you're not going to get away with it.
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Speaker 1: It was....
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Speaker 2: I don't understand people, man.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand people. I feel like it would have
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Speaker 3: been well within Ovechkin's right.
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Speaker 1: Like, come on, we got to do it, but you
36:56
Speaker 1: got to fight me and the squad.
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Speaker 3: I just caught you stealing my shit.
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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that, and look, I
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Speaker 1: know it isn't exactly Ovechkin's, but you knew what time
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Speaker 1: it was.
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Speaker 3: Were you thinking of selling it later?
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Speaker 1: Were you simply being a hater? How did you think
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Speaker 1: that you could slickly go about doing this while wearing
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Speaker 1: hockey pads and blockers and stuff?
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Speaker 3: But he straight tried to gaffle that.
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Speaker 1: And it reminds me of the time my brother tells
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Speaker 1: this story about this dude that tried, this is the 1980s,
37:30
Speaker 1: so you'll understand, tried to get him for an answering
37:33
Speaker 1: machine Like he tried to walk out of the party
37:36
Speaker 1: with the answering machine. And I forget what he tried
37:38
Speaker 1: to tuck it into. But when he got to the door,
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Speaker 1: it was this thud and the answering machine hit the
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Speaker 1: ground and they told him it was fine.
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Speaker 3: He could go ahead and take it.
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Speaker 1: But the next time they saw him, they needed to get,
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Speaker 1: he needed to have an answering machine on him or
37:50
Speaker 1: you knew what time it was.
37:52
Speaker 3: And they gave that dude like three on sites as
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Speaker 3: a result.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: This feels like an on-site.
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Speaker 1: Like, I would have been, if I had known, if
37:59
Speaker 1: you're Ovechkin and you know what is happening, I can't imagine.
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Speaker 3: How furious I would be.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever see that time Pablo tried to take
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Speaker 1: $ 100 out of my hand on TV?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that.
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Speaker 1: Oh, this is early in the game, not game theory,
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Speaker 1: in the high noon days. And looking back, this was
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Speaker 1: a reckless activity in which we engage. But somebody had
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Speaker 1: done something involved in saying the alphabet backwards. And Pablo
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Speaker 1: was like, can you say the alphabet backwards? And I
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Speaker 1: somehow convinced him to put 100 actual dollars on the table.
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Speaker 1: And little did he know, my black ass has been
38:35
Speaker 1: preparing for encounters with law enforcement for as long as
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Speaker 1: I can remember. And so I could easily do that.
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Speaker 3: I can do that right. Z-Y-X-W-V-U-T-S-R-Q-P-O-N-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-E.
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Speaker 1: C-B-A.
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Speaker 3: And you can watch the clip.
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Speaker 1: It washes over Pablo about halfway through that he got got. Right.
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Speaker 3: And so I picked the hundred dollars up off the table.
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Speaker 1: And I also realized at some point that Pablo misunderstood that.
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Speaker 3: And didn't think that $ 100 was on the line.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he thought he was doing a bit. Yeah, I guess.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he thought. But I picked that
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Speaker 1: $ 100 off the table.
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Speaker 3: I'll be a jerk.
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Speaker 1: I'm fadding myself off with that $ 100.
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Speaker 3: I got it out there.
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Speaker 1: And it's a big.
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Speaker 3: Table, right? And we're sitting there on television.
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Speaker 1: And it's point he was on tilt I don't know
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Speaker 1: why but he tried to reach across the table and
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Speaker 1: take the money out of my hand and I pulled
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Speaker 1: it back but I realized in that moment my brain
39:46
Speaker 1: does not register hey we're on television right as quickly.
39:50
Speaker 3: As I would like it to.
39:52
Speaker 1: We didn't have an incident, but my brain has a
39:56
Speaker 1: very clear, this is what you do when somebody tries
39:59
Speaker 1: to take money out of your hand. The flow chart
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Speaker 1: is unambiguous on what to do.
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Speaker 2: In your defense, to be fair to you, is rarely
40:09
Speaker 2: in that mental checklist is, am I on TV right now? Right,
40:13
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. It never dawned on me. I
40:16
Speaker 2: was like, what? I pulled it back quick, but I
40:17
Speaker 2: was like, what?
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Speaker 3: I say all that to say. If I watch somebody
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Speaker 3: steal from me out there.
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Speaker 1: In a world where fighting is perfectly appropriate, yo, we're
40:27
Speaker 1: all coming. Like, if anybody on the team had seen that,
40:31
Speaker 1: we all, hey, hey, partner.
40:33
Speaker 3: Off that.
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Speaker 2: Off that. It's funny because my immediate reaction is not that.
40:38
Speaker 2: Because it's just so stupid. If I saw this, I
40:44
Speaker 2: would shrug my shoulders if I'm Ovechkin. Like, what this
40:47
Speaker 2: fool think he doing? Like, you think you're getting away
40:50
Speaker 2: with this? And also, I mean, I don't know hockey
40:54
Speaker 2: history that well, but I know Ovechkin scoring 900 goals
40:57
Speaker 2: is a big deal. This fool would have made himself.
40:59
Speaker 3: First ever.
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Speaker 2: First ever. So the first ever 900 goal, this fool
41:05
Speaker 2: that made himself a part of the story. Like, you
41:08
Speaker 2: remember when we reached this historic milestone as a sport,
41:12
Speaker 2: man put a puck in his ass.
41:13
Speaker 3: It is sweaty keister.
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Speaker 2: You the man.
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Speaker 3: Did he put it on or in?
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Speaker 1: Like, how dedicated to the bit was it?
41:23
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I might not let him stay on my
41:26
Speaker 1: own team. Yeah. He the first person we looking at
41:29
Speaker 1: with something come up missing.
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Speaker 2: It was planned, too. Like, he knew it was a possibility. Like,
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Speaker 2: OV ain't scored four in that game. He came into
41:37
Speaker 2: that game like, it's a possibility that he scored 900
41:39
Speaker 2: on me. How could I ruin this moment? Because he
41:41
Speaker 2: didn't have, he couldn't have thought, he can't be dumb
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Speaker 2: enough to think he was going to actually get away
41:44
Speaker 2: with the puck.
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Speaker 1: Well, also worth noting, they was getting rocked. they were
41:51
Speaker 1: let me let me check which goal it was that
41:54
Speaker 1: Ovechkin scored it was oh okay it hadn't even got
41:58
Speaker 1: bad yet it was just the second goal it was
42:01
Speaker 1: just the second goal.
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Speaker 5: Yeah I don't know it's like I mean no it's
42:06
Speaker 5: not actually I was trying to think of another opportunity
42:08
Speaker 5: or another situation where people stole in mid game like
42:12
Speaker 5: those championship or major important milestones but all I can
42:16
Speaker 5: think about is chain snatching and.
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Speaker 3: Uh Like, maybe they steal your shit out the locker room.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:23
Speaker 2: That happens.
42:24
Speaker 3: But not, like, out here in front of everybody.
42:29
Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous. But you're right. Like, you would think
42:32
Speaker 2: that things like this wouldn't happen in hockey because... fighting
42:35
Speaker 2: is perfectly acceptable. We police ourselves around here. We don't
42:40
Speaker 2: got to send no fines.
42:41
Speaker 1: But what that come down to is, man, don't nobody
42:43
Speaker 1: think that white man about to steal. I think that's
42:47
Speaker 1: the easiest way white people get away with it. Significant
42:49
Speaker 1: about it still it is people think white people don't steal.
42:51
Speaker 1: They ain't never read not one book about white people before.
42:55
Speaker 1: I'm not saying every white person steals. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: white people stealing explains a lot.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the NHL is made up of a lot
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Speaker 2: of non-Americans. So like I imagine in a lot of
43:05
Speaker 2: these places, there aren't a lot of like. clear and
43:09
Speaker 2: distinct differences in the way that we.
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Speaker 6: Have here so how to how do they tell who
43:14
Speaker 6: to hate so how do they tell which ones is
43:17
Speaker 6: still is it which ones is not like if you
43:19
Speaker 6: have to know the last names or something it seems
43:21
Speaker 6: so much more difficult.
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Speaker 1: Where you go to church right i guess that's the
43:24
Speaker 1: question now last thing i.
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Speaker 3: Want to bring up while we're here wow this has
43:27
Speaker 3: been as far as i'm.
43:28
Speaker 1: Concerned an excellent episode um what's up with your man
43:31
Speaker 1: tom brady cloning his dog.
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Speaker 2: Right This is bad of me, but I think when
43:36
Speaker 2: I saw that, the first thing I thought, because he's
43:38
Speaker 2: like an investor in this company, was what they doing
43:42
Speaker 2: on humans and is Tom Brady interested? That's the first
43:46
Speaker 2: thing I thought, which is like inappropriate thought to have,
43:50
Speaker 2: but it seemed consistent with, I don't know, I just
43:54
Speaker 2: go ahead and.
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Speaker 1: Well, also, Tom Brady is up for shady, futuristic endeavors, right?
44:00
Speaker 1: Fortune favors the brave. Was that him?
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Speaker 3: Was he in the FTX world?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was for that. And he also, like, has
44:08
Speaker 2: these weird, crazy diets. He does. Yeah.
44:13
Speaker 1: Never mind.
44:13
Speaker 2: I'm sure we've discussed my opinions on those before. Definitely
44:17
Speaker 2: not while being recorded, but for some other time.
44:20
Speaker 1: But.
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Speaker 3: Wow, those must be super hot takes. No, they're not
44:25
Speaker 3: hot takes.
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Speaker 2: It's just I don't like when people start pre-explaining things
44:30
Speaker 2: with diet. I think I'll just leave it at that.
44:34
Speaker 2: Whenever somebody starts talking about, yeah, I started eating right.
44:39
Speaker 2: That's why I'm about to have. some advantages.
44:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like this zombie. Yeah, I just lost
44:46
Speaker 1: like eight pounds, man. Just cleaned up my diet.
44:48
Speaker 3: Now, it has nothing to do with the drug testing
44:50
Speaker 3: they just started. Not saying that's Tom Brady, but I'm
44:52
Speaker 3: just saying that.
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Speaker 2: No, no, just in general, I get concerned. Now, if
44:54
Speaker 2: you've been an all-star, superstar, great athlete and high level
44:59
Speaker 2: your whole life, then why you wasn't doing this before?
45:03
Speaker 3: That's all I be wondering.
45:04
Speaker 2: Why you wasn't doing, why you wasn't getting rid of
45:06
Speaker 2: these foods before? But, um... The clone and the dog thing.
45:11
Speaker 2: And I hold space for the idea that maybe I'm
45:13
Speaker 2: just an old man. And when I was 20, futuristic
45:18
Speaker 2: stuff seemed appropriate. And there are probably things that other
45:21
Speaker 2: people are like, no, this is dumb or whatever. And
45:23
Speaker 2: I know like you could go back a long history
45:26
Speaker 2: of people saying you plan with God or you plan
45:29
Speaker 2: like you God. And it's actually just like the introduction
45:32
Speaker 2: of medicine. I get that. But this feel weird, man. Yeah, yeah.
45:37
Speaker 1: I got to make sure my brother don't find out
45:39
Speaker 1: about this. My brother can't turn down no gadget or
45:42
Speaker 1: no technology. That's why some of these people got our
45:45
Speaker 1: goddamn DNA. Just had to find out where we from
45:52
Speaker 1: in Africa, huh?
45:52
Speaker 2: Right? That's just what we had to do.
45:54
Speaker 1: Okay. Yep. so yeah like the idea that the dog
45:59
Speaker 1: could be a clone that's a terrifying technology because I
46:01
Speaker 1: just can't imagine how many people want to get a
46:03
Speaker 1: hold of that one.
46:04
Speaker 3: But it ain't going to be the same dog man.
46:07
Speaker 2: Yeah definitely not going to be the same dog we
46:09
Speaker 2: can get back to that but when you said the
46:11
Speaker 2: DNA it reminded me of like obviously there are these
46:15
Speaker 2: databases of DNA that help law enforcement find people or
46:19
Speaker 2: whatever that have committed crimes or DNA is at a
46:23
Speaker 2: crime scene So with the Louvre crime, they found some
46:27
Speaker 2: DNA on those things. And it's not even that, which is, like,
46:31
Speaker 2: incredible to me that you're able to find these little
46:33
Speaker 2: bits of DNA on a window or whatever. That's fine.
46:36
Speaker 2: That's science. All right. I accept it. They said in France, it's, like, mandatory.
46:44
Speaker 2: If you don't give up your DNA, they fine you
46:47
Speaker 2: or put you in jail. And I was like, what? That, like...
46:54
Speaker 2: I'll Google it now just to make sure I'm not
46:55
Speaker 2: spreading no misinformation. But I was listening to like some
46:59
Speaker 2: NPR news thing and they were saying that. That to
47:04
Speaker 2: some degree is you are compelled to do it or
47:06
Speaker 2: you can pay a fine or go to jail for
47:09
Speaker 2: a certain amount of days.
47:11
Speaker 1: OK, it says under very specific legally regulated circumstances. Maybe?
47:19
Speaker 3: By the way, here's what's interesting.
47:23
Speaker 1: DNA testing for genealogy is illegal in France.
47:30
Speaker 2: I love that.
47:30
Speaker 1: They're like, come on, this is an obvious setup.
47:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean... Is this just like to ward off
47:38
Speaker 2: the potential of reparations?
47:40
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great question. But I love to be like,
47:43
Speaker 1: come on, man.
47:45
Speaker 3: Are you sure you really want to do this?
47:47
Speaker 2: I just want to know why. I'm sure their friends
47:49
Speaker 2: say they didn't decide to do this because they want
47:51
Speaker 2: to protect the people.
47:52
Speaker 1: Or maybe they think that that is not data that
47:54
Speaker 1: should be trusted with corporations.
47:57
Speaker 2: I could agree with that. You know, maybe.
48:00
Speaker 1: Maybe.
48:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'm just jaded by American government where their
48:03
Speaker 2: corporations can make the things legal they want to be legal.
48:07
Speaker 2: I know things are different over there in France.
48:09
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is this.
48:11
Speaker 1: France was way high on my if I got it,
48:14
Speaker 1: I got it list. And that piece of information makes
48:17
Speaker 1: me look at the place a little bit differently.
48:20
Speaker 3: Like, that's one thing, man. There's a lot of this
48:22
Speaker 3: America that I do acknowledge. I don't try to sound
48:24
Speaker 3: like them people, if you know what I mean.
48:25
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of things that I do
48:27
Speaker 1: realize that we take for granted about how we get
48:29
Speaker 1: down in America. That you go somewhere else, even the
48:31
Speaker 1: places that you think are cool. Like, that First Amendment
48:34
Speaker 1: thing here, other places ain't got those.
48:37
Speaker 2: No, I'm 100% with you. And I also like, it's
48:41
Speaker 2: a lot like being a parent in that When I
48:44
Speaker 2: tell my kids how grateful they are or how grateful
48:47
Speaker 2: they should be, or I think it, how grateful they
48:49
Speaker 2: should be for all the things that they have, it's
48:51
Speaker 2: all they've known. And it don't make the fact that
48:54
Speaker 2: they ain't getting what they want right now feel any better.
48:57
Speaker 2: I feel the same way about America. Like, yeah, so
49:01
Speaker 2: much of this shit is awesome. But that don't mean
49:03
Speaker 2: that the shit that stinks don't stink.
49:05
Speaker 3: Oh, you're totally right.
49:06
Speaker 1: I've just found out that maybe they might stick a
49:10
Speaker 1: swab me over there. And I had not bet on
49:13
Speaker 1: that when I was coming up with contingency plans.
49:16
Speaker 2: Soon as soon as you walk across them lines on
49:18
Speaker 2: the to the plane land they're gonna check make sure
49:21
Speaker 2: just in case you want to steal some jewels from
49:22
Speaker 2: the loose be able to find your.
49:24
Speaker 1: Way something else about that I saw it I thought
49:26
Speaker 1: this was interesting um was apparently it seemed like they
49:31
Speaker 1: were really good thieves yeah and they were I guess
49:33
Speaker 1: they were good at the thieving part but apparently they
49:36
Speaker 1: were actually quite panicked and left the whole treasure trove
49:39
Speaker 1: of clues behind. They were just like, look, man, get
49:41
Speaker 1: in and get out. We worry about the rest of
49:42
Speaker 1: that later. And they were shook like you would be
49:46
Speaker 1: if you decided you were going to break in the Louvre.
49:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, they dropped the jewel. They couldn't light the thing
49:51
Speaker 2: on fire. That's all wild. But the thing, the reason
49:53
Speaker 2: why I think you were right to make that assumption
49:55
Speaker 2: is because we all have had this thought, like fencing
49:59
Speaker 2: something like that seems impossible. So obviously you would think
50:02
Speaker 2: how you could make money So if you have the
50:06
Speaker 2: connections to move something like that, you got to be
50:09
Speaker 2: sophisticated or maybe you just dumb. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
50:13
Speaker 3: And it would take something else too. I don't know
50:15
Speaker 3: how you put a crew together to do this.
50:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
50:17
Speaker 1: Cause like the real pros are like, nah, dog, this is, they're,
50:24
Speaker 1: they're going to find you.
50:26
Speaker 3: It may not be tomorrow, but they, this here's what,
50:29
Speaker 3: this will not.
50:29
Speaker 1: Be a cold case.
50:32
Speaker 2: I have not, I mean, maybe it's watching too many movies,
50:34
Speaker 2: but I assume that what would have to happen in
50:37
Speaker 2: this case is the people that did the job are
50:41
Speaker 2: dummies who are willing to do the job and they
50:43
Speaker 2: bring it and deliver it when it's time to get paid.
50:46
Speaker 2: They not leaving because they know what's happening. And this
50:50
Speaker 2: is just my movie mind. And then you go off
50:52
Speaker 2: and get things done. But I can't imagine the fact
50:55
Speaker 2: that these guys seem to also be the ones I
50:58
Speaker 2: don't know. We don't know how this all worked out,
50:59
Speaker 2: but it seems quite messy.
51:01
Speaker 3: I will say this.
51:01
Speaker 1: Your plan of I'm going to break into the Louvre
51:04
Speaker 1: and these people are going to pay me and then.
51:06
Speaker 3: I'm going to get my cut.
51:07
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
51:08
Speaker 3: That's not going to. You're going to get smoked.
51:10
Speaker 2: You're going to get cut. All right. Yeah, you're going
51:11
Speaker 2: to get smoked.
51:12
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, that reminds me of an analogous story.
51:15
Speaker 1: I went over there to Asia last year, went to Cambodia.
51:19
Speaker 1: And I didn't really know that much about the Camaroos,
51:21
Speaker 1: except that they was, you know, kind of dastardly. But apparently,
51:26
Speaker 1: from the way the story that the guys were telling
51:28
Speaker 1: us is that the Khmer Rouge was funded, like the
51:31
Speaker 1: king had been exiled. And the king was funding, I
51:35
Speaker 1: think it was the Khmer Rouge. If it wasn't them,
51:36
Speaker 1: it was another outfit. But anyway, the king was in
51:40
Speaker 1: China and he was funding this outfit to overthrow the
51:44
Speaker 1: government to put him back in power. And so he'd
51:46
Speaker 1: given him the money to put him back in power.
51:49
Speaker 1: And they finally won. And they're like, yeah, come on down, right?
51:52
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, baby, it's a party, man. Only thing
51:54
Speaker 1: that's missing is you, dog. Everywhere I go, they like, bro,
51:57
Speaker 1: where the king at? Where the king at? You got
51:59
Speaker 1: to come back, dog. It's cracking down here.
52:01
Speaker 3: And so the king come back.
52:02
Speaker 1: And when the king come back, they locked his ass up.
52:05
Speaker 1: It was like what we need you for.
52:08
Speaker 2: We got the country. We're just going to hand you
52:11
Speaker 2: the reins. Right. For what? A deal's a deal. Don't
52:15
Speaker 2: think through his ass in jail. That's the thing. That's
52:19
Speaker 2: the thing about operating in these environments. And I don't
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Speaker 2: mean countries. I just mean if you're working in the
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Speaker 2: underworld where there's no legal recourse.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: There's some things that eventually always get down to, but
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Speaker 2: can you whoop my ass? Yes. At some point, that's
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Speaker 2: what it's going to come down to. And if you
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Speaker 2: don't got the people that can get the job done,
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Speaker 2: maybe you should stay out of there.
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Speaker 3: We just overthrew a whole country. Why you think we
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Speaker 3: can't overthrow you?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: We have all the infrastructure we need right here.
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Speaker 1: I've got all I got enough friends to overthrow a country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you have demonstrated that you're the type of
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Speaker 2: person to pay people to overthrow governments. Why do it?
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 2: You are dastardly yourself. I'm a trust you. Nah, nah, nah, nah.
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Speaker 2: You shook my hand. I knew you wasn't shit.
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Speaker 3: And we should get tight.
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Speaker 2: You run. Right?
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Speaker 3: We stood ten toes down.
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Speaker 2: Lost friends, I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: You ran away. We see you.
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Speaker 3: That is Dominique Fosworth.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, bro.
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