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Talks to David Maskell about his choice of The Sun Makers (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to Hampton Boulevard.
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  Penknife the Doctor Who commentary pogchamp you should
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  have heard the first time I did that, my God I was like, what?
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  The fuck's it called, welcome back to a handful of my honesty.
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  Now, I just ripped off my tongue blows.
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  I am here with one of the best human beings on the planet, mr.
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  David maskull. Say hello, David.
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  Hello there. That's very nice of you to say
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  that. Now that I feel like we really
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  You failed miserably with our song at the end of episode 2.
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  So I'm going to intro episode free with a song and it's
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  clearly going to it's going to be just can I just say whilst we
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  were off mic? Joe decided to play the end of
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  episode one. And I do apologize profusely
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  about the singing. Not from Joe from me.
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  So I've got a song yet, you must know, you absolutely must know.
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  All right, and it's precisely how I hate bush.
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  Running up that hill. We're running up that you know
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  which one were you thinking of? It's me Cathy of come home.
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  I've come I'm always gonna go because it kind of explains the
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  bit of like how I feel about you.
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  So it feels very appropriate. You ready?
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  Will be do I wanna be like you who should be with me?
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  Absolutely, this has been a long time coming.
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  It's a long time. This has been in the diary for
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  one and every every spelling of the word coming.
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  So come on Alan Cumming. Anyway, in episode 1, you were
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  very kind and mentioned that. I do some pop Trump cards
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  office. Now, I have these impacts on my
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  bed. Stand behind me that I play with
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  most evenings. Actually, they might be my
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  partner playlist. GOI having sex we play talked
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  rubs, you know, like that. Is that Colin Baker and John
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  Pertwee era as well and gets me hot baby.
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  Amazing. So if I did If energy people
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  listening lists, the dominators to watch, who that?
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  I my God, I on dominators klaxon is mentioned in every single
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  commentary. Sorry in that, I did a little
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  game where you have to guess the Fear Factor of certain people.
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  I thought we could do this with you and I thought, I thought
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  from it, I thought, I'll hang on a minute.
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  What pack should I do? And I thought, well, I'm gonna
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  do when your mom got. So I'm going to go for the McCoy
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  era which is I think my favorite era and the stovetop Trump's
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  just for the listeners I've got a what gets out 80, what the
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  Fear Factor? This is 100, what the Fear
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  Factor is of the people you're going to mention.
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  So the six altogether and I will say, if anyone does want to pack
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  of these, please do let me know because they are available.
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  Okay, find mrs. Remington fan on Twitter.
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  These plants are so authentic. They look like they look better
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  than the PC. What?
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  That's very kind of you. Sorry, because I've done, I've
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  done, I've done Patrick, John, Peter Collins about.
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  That was only ever going to do Sylvester, but I've got a bit
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  obsessed. Anyway.
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  So we've got six character cards here, okay.
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  Raven you to guess out of 100 what their school.
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  So we're going to start with that icon of the 1980s.
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  So versatile player and we're going to start with Professor
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  Rachel Jensen be packed up. Yeah, 40. 40.
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  Rachel Jansen is the most inoffensive got me.
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  She's grave. It's not scary.
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  Chuck. Tell him.
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  Oh okay. Yeah, yeah.
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  That's absolutely fair enough. But I think the her Cardigans
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  are pretty scary, so I bumper up to Philly.
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  Okay. Oh no, that's fair enough.
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  Alright, number two, we have The tone master from Delta and the
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  bannermen as played by Sir Ken Dodd in terms of performance.
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  I've give him 95 for Fear Factor, but in terms of fear,
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  like it does not realistic fear so I'll probably give him a
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  five. 15:58 okay. More than Fraser Jensen.
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  So yeah. Well, he's got, he's got big
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  teeth. The terrifying are they?
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  Although you know what, if you were stuck without a can opener,
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  you'd be all right, with Ken Dodd.
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  It just like it. Yeah.
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  Right. Number five, or six of these
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  islets. You've got number three.
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  Mmm, we've got more game. Now she comes kind of good at
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  the end but She does, murder Lavelle, doesn't she shoots down
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  a helicopter. She unleashes the Destroyer upon
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  the world. I'm gonna give her a T.
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  So Close 70. Okay, that's that.
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  Yeah, that's like over half and I think she's a good villain.
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  So yeah, it's j Marsh another parching Marcia.
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  Okay. Number four, this game is great.
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  Can we just do this instead of the commentary?
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  Yeah let's do it. You need episode 3.
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  You don't listen to episode 3, let's just do this.
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  All right, number for the chief clown from The call, my God,
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  Galaxy fucking terrifying. 100. Thanks again 90.
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  Yeah it deserves it. My god.
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  Oh. Stop that.
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  It's the painted face is the fake face.
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  I just can't handle it. Oh yeah.
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  Bob sexually. Once you want to go to the
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  circus? I'm like, are you fucking
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  kidding me? Although I did.
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  I was a child. I didn't say fucking, but you're
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  like, well, what's from Crowley's and potentially I did
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  oh yeah, great performance as well, right?
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  Oh, I thought you meant me. Okay.
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  Number five, we have mrs. Pritchard from Ghostlight Very
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  scary. Oh my word before the cuckoo
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  invaded your mind, or she's creeps me out the way she Glides
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  about. I'm going to give her an 80 60
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  over half. I think that's fair and last,
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  but by no means least. Oh my God.
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  Is it mrs. Reddington it.
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  Most certainly is a Fear Factor all my word prioleau.
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  Shanks garish is marvellously entertaining that, but the
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  actress Dolores, great would get like a 95.
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  But they said, Remington herself is coming in on a measly. 85.
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  But you were close. Yeah.
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  Although what would you give Dolores gray?
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  What by all accounts? A bit of a monster on the set.
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  Yeah, that's had known. I had her noting face as well
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  throughout the day but can I just say for style, she got the
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  highest on entire packet and so right now, she's got 100 got 80.
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  I was at 80 out of 80. Yeah.
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  Okay I don't know. I had to Had to score some of
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  them honest to God, like you and the fun thing about these top
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  trumps. Tom Trump's top trumps is that
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  Dave? And I have spent many an hour,
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  debating the schools and so it's fun because it gets you to that
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  discuss your opinions also, Joe has been absolutely wonderful
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  because I have literally texture and been like, what do I School
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  Ingrid kit from time on today. We had one and we have assumed
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  chat where you literally took me through or one whole pack and I
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  was just like yeah, the basic rule the school And I got off at
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  Zoom called thinking about poor, man, literally.
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  All he wanted to do was have a catch-up and I'm just, like,
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  help me with this. I got, to be honest.
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  Yeah, I'm going to be really honest with, you know, if it was
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  a choice between circle jerk and discussing top.
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  Trumps of you are choose the top trumps any day of the week.
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  All right? Just on the Peter Davison are as
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  well. So and there's some of the
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  things I Kant and Divas. I'm assuming Barrel reason are
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  right, of course, she's in there.
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  What about Holly James? I think I just heard she.
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  She was the first card I did. What about I think there is
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  Hughes? Yeah.
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  She's in there. Now, this is a very huge say
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  doctor. I think she's dead rare and very
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  good screen. Yeah.
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  Really good. Which makes no sense for them.
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  Again, we've successfully managed to spend 10 minutes.
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  Not talkin about the some makers.
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  Although to be fair, we've done that quite a bit with its
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  coverage. Should we skip into episode 3?
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  Which is usually notoriously the worst episode of a four-part
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  story. Let's do it.
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  Let's see how we fare. I think there's going to be a
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  bit of this is going to be quite steamy this episode or Louise
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  Jameson was going to betray. The country is going to be super
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  steamy but Louise Jameson is going to be very steamy in this.
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  Aikido. Here we go.
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  I guess. I pressed record.
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  You tell me when you're ready to go, man.
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  I hope someone gets in touch about the top drivers.
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  That would be so amazing. In five, four, three, two, one.
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  Let's go diddly Dum diddly. Dum, fucking good music, isn't
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  it? Also we didn't talk about it a
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  lot of stuff but that's gaining can't beat the stick.
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  What are the end there? Yeah.
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  You know why are they bad? Don't you?
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  Yes, wasn't it. That's right.
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  Because you watch series 7 and there ain't no sting.
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  I don't think it's in the beginning but not in the end.
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  The barrel is like we need something dramatic to see the
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  episode out. You know, is that the most
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  featureless Corridor in Doctor Who it's not great, isn't it?
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  Well, at least it's on film in time lash.
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  They look like that but it's on the studio, you know it's like
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  yeah that's true. They are at least on location
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  where there is a sense of scale. Yeah.
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  Actually the location stuff is quite nice, isn't it?
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  And there's plenty of it as well.
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  In this there there is a lot of location work.
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  Did you notice how noisy K9 was in this?
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  Like they saw that I'd season 16.
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  So what was the cliffhanger? The car comes to all of them are
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  comes towards them and their traps.
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  I don't know. That's the best Cliffhanger in
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  the world though. It's not, it's not great.
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  What does, what follows on from this?
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  What's the next story? I think, you know what the next
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  story is, it's not actually some ambulance stick Doctor Who story
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  known to mankind. Actually agent of time, it's not
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  overwhelmed. That's for sure.
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  Fucking hell. What did you think of
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  Underworld? Oh yeah right.
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  Yeah, let's just say it's that story that whenever you getting
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  things signed by doing shows for John Leeson, you leave
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  underworld to last. I find underworld and Terminus
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  are the cure for insomnia. This is just.
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  Yeah, we're not gonna talk about turn.
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  This happiness is interminable. So I wanted to ask you about
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  canine and His function within serious.
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  Now, I've heard people comment, their canine is basically the
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  doctors gun, and he doesn't like a lot of the technical work for
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  the doctor, so the doctor doesn't have to be too clever.
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  What's your opinion on this? I love K9, I think he's The
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  thing about canine I find especially in these early
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  stories is clearly just been written in and, you know, these
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  been slotted into this story. He's not really needed, but then
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  the next season season 16, it feels like he's got more to do,
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  but I didn't mind that so much. I don't mind the fact that he
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  can, you know, he can shoot things.
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  He can also, can I just say she would have run over those two
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  bodies, she's probably asleep. It's quite nice to have that
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  actually, to have a sort of and also it's something I can relate
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  to because children have got pets at home.
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  Well, they shop at the same didn't go down.
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  The obvious route of having a man in a suit, did they rituals?
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  No, but could you imagine it would have been another comedian
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  if we've been worse. Honestly, although like had they
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  gone down the DAT for and I know that was a possibility.
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  Hmm. He was a lot of fun.
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  Yeah. But I can see where to Tom was
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  coming from in terms of good. I think he hated Canaan, but he
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  loved John Leeson, did they? Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. Oh, here we go.
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  Sorry. Maybe like my face, have you
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  used that line? Future, I'm putting, you know, I
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  think. Yeah.
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  I mean, Tom didn't like a 94. He loved John Mason, and I think
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  even, they said, all they should have just got him in a suit.
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  But could you imagine that? I don't think that would have
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  worked. The thing he did in the
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  rehearsal room, or getting on his hands and knees and, and
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  developing a rapport with the actors.
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  So then that's filled, it's there.
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  It's on stream that Tim box and those actors have a
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  relationship. Yeah, and as John me, Awesome.
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  We've talked about in the last episode, but they talking about
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  utopian saying that Tommy's gonna sit next to the canine
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  prop when they were doing the Times, crossword in the brakes
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  and filming and you know, that wouldn't have great hilarity.
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  But I think, you know, if they ask Tom to get into a shot with
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  canine, it would be him having to kneel down and then you can
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  ask a question. You can ask me anything you
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  want. Do you have a?
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  Do you bar for shower? Both in a light bar.
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  So when you have a bath, right you ever let one off?
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  Bell guys. Have you ever done it though?
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  I mean I I definitely have and the size of artifacts.
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  That's the worst poker have ever seen in my entire life.
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  Sorry, awful what? Like, it makes a certain noise
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  when it bubbles up, doesn't it? Why does every single gun in the
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  Graham Williams era sound like a fart coming out of a bar b?
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  A Why is that? But maybe with the special
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  sounds unit, only had a few Like, it's out.
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  I are very rarely will say things in the 80s, or better
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  than the 70s, but the gun noises are way better.
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  You decide my noise, it goes. You know, all the guns in her
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  short, the go, wow. You know, that's just do read
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  all the other ones in Resurrection of the Daleks that
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  go like, You know. I don't think the sound sound
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  man was on form in this one. Criminals.
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  Have the number removed. Hey, he's not pack woman.
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  Know how it looks like him, though.
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  I know that he had a wig on, didn't me Henry wolf because
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  there's a publicity shot that they use.
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  Quite a lot, which they think is from the episode, which is him
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  the care. That's a good ball cap though
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  because I've seen very good a lot worse.
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  So, okay, I want to ask you a question about the because
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  there's this story comes in for some criticism.
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  These violent Rebels overthrow the system.
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  Yeah, I know we're doing absolutely but they overvote
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  throw it in an extremely violent way.
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  I they toss The Gatherer off a building and I don't mean they
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  ranked him off a building. They literally throw him off a
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  building to his death. I don't go.
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  And then the doctor goes well Yeah, it goes.
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  So we'll see you later guys. You know.
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  Hopefully turn out well Do you think things?
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  So now we're with this bunch and charge, it is a revolution.
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  Don't forget, I mean, do ants. I mean these people have had to
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  come out of the life that they were living because they can't
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  afford to pay. You know, they're going to start
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  a rebellion that I think it's a perfectly reasonable way of
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  being. I mean it's like Your mind.
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  How would you feel in a situation where if you had to
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  live on the ground and then you got to meet the person that was
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  responsible for, you not being able to live your life, I think
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  copy angry but enough about from Austria, we did you know, it's a
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  bit of a company that's very well when you become a Savage
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  dictator or I shall throw you off a building.
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  Not just play one. I would like to be one.
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  It sounds like a lot of work to make being a dictator.
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  Yeah. But I know with the target
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  novel, Terrance dicks is very unhappy without ending and he
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  rewrites it so they throw him off the building and then he
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  literally puts in the sentence. They turned on each other
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  shamefaced and guilty that they had committed that act, you
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  know. Yeah.
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  So like I do like it when Terrance dicks script edit
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  stories. He had nothing to do with in the
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  novel. Didn't, you know you were saying
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  in the previous episode that you thought she was called Mom.
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  Yeah, I also thought Kurt Cordova's called cold, you'll
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  do. We've got a TV show.
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  There are fits the adventures of Cordia one mom, call your mom.
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  There's a big finish season waiting to happen.
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  Don't say three times. You know, it comes.
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  True. Oh my God.
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  Look at Louis Jameson. Well, that's got rid of the
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  tiger's paws off me. 17. Yeah, boing boing for bonus
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  points. You know, who's doing the voice
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  for the machine. No, I think it's John Leeson
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  who's there? I think they sort of just run
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  out of money and they were like, can you do personal computers?
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  Can you see those two girls in the background in the shadows?
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  That's a bit menacing just got them all.
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  Let's have a look. If you have to wait for the long
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  shot pennant Roberts is favoring.
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  The close-up at the moment. Oh, you missed another great
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  line. Who is the doctor?
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  How did you get the flu down? I don't think of many stories as
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  well. So too, because normally it's
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  like the quickest way they can be in the first episode of the
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  Cliffhanger to the first episode.
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  I also like the fact that he is clearly disabled, I little chair
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  because that is not commented on.
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  Criticize like hello. The ball riding time lash,
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  you're an ugly. You know, you're an athlete
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  disabled. Get a you'll never love you.
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  Get in the time. Lash, you know it's horrendous.
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  Was he a wolf disables? I'm not sure.
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  I'm not sure. But I it's an interesting facet
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  and it isn't, it isn't really commented on Awkward to size
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  which is great that that gag there about Gallifrey was it
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  potential for economic growth or something zero?
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  As that's a great line. Yeah.
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  Look, they're all they're all on board with him now.
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  I guess it's I guess it's just them.
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  Bring the story, Don isn't it? So what you're going to say that
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  you've met? Some of them, I was about
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  Michael Keaton once at the signing and it was quite funny
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  because he he he was very nice but he kept checking his phone.
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  And I was thinking, okay, this is a little bit redundant.
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  He was like one first or he's like my daughter is expecting
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  hospital about to have a grandchild and I'm literally
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  waiting for the phone call to go.
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  So I do apologize that I was fine.
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  He's right now is drop a great name story and every single one
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  of these, you know, I do. I do feel like this.
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  I have to do that. Now, if you think, so we've had
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  the marvelous time when Sylvia Noble, thought you were the, no,
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  she didn't think. With the manager.
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  But you had the same name. Didn't you as the manager of
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  the? Yeah, so the marvelous time when
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  Stephanie cold drop, the fact that she was once off the part
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  of the doctor. Yeah, and Shadow Walker walked
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  in to the theater. I used to work there, she should
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  have done that, they should have gone for a sorry, she would have
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  been amazing. I know I wouldn't lose Conley
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  Baker for anything but hmm, she probably would have flirted with
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  me as well with my gay for Canada's T-shirt.
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  Oh absolutely. And your so called a Jack is an
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  Amy and who landed on this planet by mistake?
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  What do you think, performance? I think it's terrific, it's very
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  member, there's not another performers lightened up to hurt,
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  you know, it's Unique. It is Comic and it is over the
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  top and I am very comfortable with that.
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  As I've gotten older, I think when I was, when I was younger,
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  I didn't like over-the-top performances.
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  Long Live. It's very creepy as well though.
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  While he's doing that, he's a bit like a spider.
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  He's kind of hunched. Yeah, it's a arms, you know,
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  he's always doing it wrong. So is this the line here we go.
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  Hey you from your private purse. Oh joke.
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  They are wicked together and like I said, oh yeah, because
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  you've got two villains, interacting, it means we can
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  keep cutting back to the villains point of view and have
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  a dialogue. Hmm, like normally don't tell
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  you, I don't know. It's like, it's just the villain
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  grandstanding against the doctor because it's one person against
• 24:07
  one person. Whereas here the doctors running
• 24:11
  rings around the villains. And we're basically watching the
• 24:13
  villains reactions. To the revolution that he's
• 24:16
  moving up. The work you do as for cry with
• 24:22
  the lice, I say that all the time at work.
• 24:29
  You know, she the cars behind him, I'm to engross did what?
• 24:35
  It's another half your Global Society Don't try to prevent
• 24:43
  obesity has loves riding this dialogue personally.
• 24:47
  Oh yeah, well, they love talking it as well.
• 24:50
  Don't know when you can see and then, okay, so all that, we in
• 24:54
  the dungeon in episode 1, we have suicide in episode 2, we
• 24:58
  had the populace being drugged and straitjackets.
• 25:01
  Yeah, so there was like, they were like leading.
• 25:03
  It's like a mental asylum in episode 3, there's torture porn.
• 25:07
  I people are going to be steamed today.
• 25:11
  And please have you ever bought a while?
• 25:12
  Microwave meal, ripped open that seal and had the steam attack
• 25:16
  your your flesh. Yeah, it's fun.
• 25:19
  Yeah painful. Imagine that all over.
• 25:22
  But the collectors they're going oh yeah, well I can get out, you
• 25:28
  know, like he's really it is like a, it's like a live snuff
• 25:32
  movie, isn't it? Yeah.
• 25:33
  Absolutely. I mean it's it's a pretty wide
• 25:37
  also. Charging people for it coming,
• 25:39
  you know, it's compulsory. Yeah.
• 25:42
  So this is also, this has got the famous line in it, which
• 25:46
  one, this is MM, and when I get a real feeling of job
• 25:50
  satisfaction, this is creepy as well.
• 25:53
  The way he comes up to her and starts laughing at her because
• 25:56
  she's restrained, does he die? He does, doesn't he?
• 26:02
  I'm not sure. He gets wet fart it to death
• 26:04
  because I am in episode 4. I've got a very funny story to
• 26:11
  tell you about someone. He's in this but he only
• 26:13
  appeared in episode 4. I can't wait.
• 26:16
  But it's yeah. Oh, she's Savage.
• 26:20
  I'll have to look at your ugly face.
• 26:22
  Oh, my God, yellow. Like the men.
• 26:26
  Are they love the? It's very viral.
• 26:30
  This isn't it? Like they like them.
• 26:31
  Yeah, the violence. Never noticed.
• 26:35
  You can see a bit of the string there that's holding it to the
• 26:38
  wall. Oh, I didn't notice then.
• 26:40
  So thank goodness. The illusion is safe with me.
• 26:45
  I haven't ruined. So, and then and then Blows in
• 26:49
  episode 4, you have the heroes murdering the villain and that's
• 26:54
  really dark as well. I'm just saying throughout this
• 26:57
  story there's a slightly sadistic Edge or an adult age.
• 27:03
  I like that. I really like I think and I
• 27:06
  think that's a reason why it's sad that it's not talked about
• 27:11
  more of the story because I think I think I was talking
• 27:14
  about this on Silver Nemesis like my favorite story that
• 27:16
  happens Patrol. You say they have control.
• 27:18
  Someone get old Yes, the count one but the Candyman people
• 27:21
  don't realize about the whole, you know, the whole thing of if
• 27:28
  you happy, if you're not happy, you get killed and it's a bit
• 27:30
  like the same with this. You go to the sun making the
• 27:32
  artist, the one of that taxes in The Collector.
• 27:35
  But people forget that you've got all this stuff, you've got
• 27:39
  you've got all the sort of suicide at the beginning and
• 27:42
  then the Revolution and all this stuff which is very dark for.
• 27:45
  I can't believe anyone could watch like the happiness.
• 27:47
  Patrol is a sin. A Treatise on the necessity of
• 27:51
  grief. Like yeah, the the the whole
• 27:55
  point is that scene at the end where she breaks down, over the
• 27:59
  death of Fifi after pretending to be happy, you know, so long
• 28:05
  and a virus like the seam between the doctor and the
• 28:09
  snipers like Yes. Oh yeah, this.
• 28:13
  I mean it funny. Look on the guy's face when he
• 28:18
  realizes that the Dogs Out. They are the worst tables ever.
• 28:29
  Ian Harvey was he? Yeah, I feel like he was one of
• 28:33
  the key reasons. Why did you
• 28:50
  what about lovey-dove local? Olive Worland.
• 28:53
  I've gone to another show. I'm talking about that.
• 28:55
  Irish ones. Ballack has angel that seen that
• 29:00
  I think they're about 50 years apart.
• 29:06
  This pair. Yeah, we're involving public
• 29:08
  steaming but now we're with you because you're pointing a gun at
• 29:10
  me. Oh my God.
• 29:12
  Watch this. Watch them go around this called
• 29:14
  are now what's really interesting is Daddy Simpson is
• 29:21
  doing comedy music in this story and he has a really led into
• 29:26
  that before this season, like it during the Hinchcliffe years is
• 29:30
  all very atmospheric scores. and it is very like, I'm against it.
• 29:42
  Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
• 29:45
  But are you a story? A couple of horrifying Rock and
• 29:48
  that's really atmospheric music and and then you get something
• 29:51
  like this, it must be great for him as well to be able to do
• 29:55
  different things with it. I mean, the worst music, a derp
• 29:59
  derp derp derp to know. I couldn't I didn't have any
• 30:43
  signal. I could have been really awkward
• 30:45
  for the rest of the convention for you.
• 30:49
  I only got saved for someone that I worked there.
• 30:52
  I kept seeing the whole weekend, I said to my light, it gets this
• 30:54
  point with a marriage because out everywhere you go, you're
• 30:57
  there. There's a pretty nice tall.
• 30:58
  As you know, I always say you can rate somewhere on the, on
• 31:01
  the quality of the loose now, right?
• 31:04
  I don't know why I'm whispering. What if they're going to listen
• 31:07
  to this? They got listen to it.
• 31:09
  No people did dumps him over because I always stank when I
• 31:12
  was in the air. So you're not eating what you're
• 31:17
  listening to this? To my eyes were watering the
• 31:19
  whole time. I was in there, that just wasn't
• 31:22
  the smoke and then you seen the average doctor anytime, right?
• 31:25
  I thinking I'm sure they can do it impressive poke, Jesus
• 31:35
  Christ. That's why people come to this
• 31:42
  story. That I know, but Okay, so the
• 31:47
  steering is in progress. Is that the Cliffhanger where
• 31:52
  she's rolled in? See?
• 31:54
  That's, that's a good Cliffhanger.
• 31:56
  And, and that's the final line. The moment of satisfaction, as
• 32:00
  you know what, this episode for an episode 03, that was a bit of
• 32:05
  momentum. Doesn't it?
• 32:06
  Like, the rebels are now? The doctor side legal is in
• 32:10
  Mortal. Peril stuffs happening.
• 32:13
  Yeah. It's very rare for pottery
• 32:14
  normally. It's normally a lot of
• 32:15
  exposition, but I should we did that in episode 1.
• 32:18
  A lot of the same, same was an episode.
• 32:20
  But, you know, What I think Robert Holmes is really good.
• 32:23
  Exposition, oh yeah. I mean, I would say a couple of
• 32:30
  histories of rubbish but every other one is near perfect.
• 32:35
  Have you ever been to like a like a gay song, wanna know?
• 32:41
  Okay. And what he says they're about,
• 32:45
  you know, not the same at all. No sense of a shared experience.
• 32:50
  He's right. He's right there is something in
• 32:52
  looks like going to the cinema as well, like the shared
• 32:54
  experience of watching a film. Yeah, well, the theater, I
• 32:58
  should have led with that. Really not a sauna.
• 33:01
  People are judging you as we speak, people are judging me all
• 33:04
  the time Army. That's the best way to be.
• 33:12
  That's why we love you. Yeah.
• 33:14
  Well, you are getting five minutes.
• 33:15
  We've talked about poo and gay sauna.
• 33:17
  So there's and torture porn. Wow.
• 33:22
  Yeah. Like we're close.
• 33:24
  You got, we've got five minutes left.
• 33:26
  What else can we throw it? I'm such a good doctor is and we
• 33:31
  need to just do you think begonia?
• 33:34
  Pope should have received a fashion award for that scarf and
• 33:38
  up said 100%. So iconic, isn't it?
• 33:42
  I mean, you What am I work at the moment?
• 33:45
  A lot of my friends don't watch Doctor Who but they all know,
• 33:47
  Tom Baker, mmm. If they don't know by name they
• 33:50
  gave it all. We know him Scott.
• 33:53
  Oh he is going on a little ride all now hours.
• 33:56
  We go and deadly Simpsons. Game a door, we go giggles I see
• 34:07
  that's, you know, the way that that kind of set where she's
• 34:09
  rolled in like that, that's quite quite tasty, but it is me.
• 34:18
  It's all men Gathering to watch a woman, be tortured.
• 34:22
  And that pretty and my stuff. Well, mourn is messed up.
• 34:28
  Let's be honest, the second date.
• 34:29
  They, they come for her. She's like, I want to join the
• 34:32
  revolution. Maybe they'll be a secret where
• 34:36
  she's she portrays them, maybe not as because she's in her own
• 34:41
  spin-off, show, Mom, and coddle got call you.
• 34:48
  Well, they're ramping up attention.
• 34:50
  Yo, I love it when it is, On the DVD commentary for this and this
• 34:56
  happens. Tom Baker goes darling.
• 34:58
  I'm coming. I'm coming.
• 35:01
  Would you like I've got a question for you though on the
• 35:02
  back of this Cliff Hanger, because I've always said, like
• 35:05
  the unless they're really well done.
• 35:08
  And that is really well done. The kind of the companion and
• 35:10
  dr. Imperil Cliff hangers are a bit
• 35:12
  naff because you kind of know they're going to get out of it
• 35:16
  but like as a young man as a teenager or even younger
• 35:21
  watching this, did you really get behind this cliffhanger?
• 35:24
  As I did, they genuinely excite you and make you wonder, they
• 35:27
  were going to make it out. I remember watching remembrance
• 35:30
  of the Daleks was about three or four.
• 35:32
  It was the Second Story I've ever watched.
• 35:35
  And that first the first two Cliffhangers of that I ran
• 35:40
  behind the sofa. And well, I ran funds are put
• 35:44
  some, put my head under a cushion and I genuinely didn't
• 35:47
  know if they were going to be there.
• 35:50
  I can read it no no Sylvester McCoy was going to survive and I
• 35:55
  have three tribes. I had my first visceral Custer
• 35:58
  of reaction to television in Battlefield episode 2, which is
• 36:01
  the first episode I saw when Ace was drowning because as a what
• 36:08
  would I've been lying? So I'll switch acquire old but I
• 36:11
  was always a young 9. I was living a very shallow
• 36:13
  childhood as a nine-year-old. I could not see how she could
• 36:17
  get out of that situation so I was Vince that that lovely girl
• 36:21
  that I was on this adventure with was a drought and so Mary
• 36:26
  Whitehouse might have had a point.
• 36:28
  Yeah, well I think also it depends on what because anger
• 36:31
  is. I mean there are some like case
• 36:32
  of a only where they get shot. Hmm.
• 36:35
  They actually get shot. It's quite a shocker.
• 36:37
  But, you know, when they have a gun and they're like, I'm going
• 36:39
  to kill you now got from the state where it's like the Saif
• 36:44
  over his head. You're like, really?
• 36:45
  Yeah, you're clearly not going to chop off.
• 36:47
  Doctor whose heads, like let's go.
• 36:49
  Exactly. Some of them are actually so
• 36:51
  well done. I think companion want work
• 36:53
  better than they do doctors. But I mean like Android Evasion,
• 36:58
  for example, it's got that great one, where she takes the mask
• 37:02
  off, and not face comes off, doesn't it?
• 37:05
  That's great. And then the next episode,
• 37:07
  you've got Sarah Jane going back by duct tape or something like
• 37:17
  that. I think that's quite the other
• 37:18
  one. I always loved.
• 37:20
  Was leader in Talent, you know where she gets it, right by
• 37:24
  English. As I say that would get me back
• 37:28
  at the same time, next week to watch it.
• 37:32
  There are certain Cliffhangers like that which I was thinking
• 37:35
  of just perfect. Do you know the fabulous Twitter
• 37:40
  account lit? Roundels Darren 79.
• 37:45
  So he did a wonderful thing a while back, or he doesn't so
• 37:49
  many wonderful things. They did a wonderful thing a
• 37:51
  while back where he put Jon pertwee's.
• 37:54
  I Am the Doctor music as the Cliffhanger like outro.
• 38:00
  So I feel like Since we're finishing with a song.
• 38:04
  That no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no it on, and on,
• 38:09
  and on and I cross the void beyond the mind won't be empty
• 38:15
  sets the circles time I see where other stumble blind, if
• 38:23
  you see a man with long gray hair,